♪ DEMOC REPORT FROM SANTA FE IS DEMO POSSIBLE, IN DEMO, BY GRANTS FROM THE NEW DEMOCO MUNICIPAL LEAGUE, A BETTER NEW DEMOCO DEMOUGH BETTER CITIES AND FROM THE DEMOY FOUNDATION, TAOS, NM.

DEMOO, I'M LORENE MILLS AND WELCOME TO REPORT DEMO SANTA F. ONE OF MY DEMO FAVORITE AUTHORS OF ALL DEMO IS HERE, DOUG DEMOTON, THANK YOU FOR DEMOING US.

>>DOUG: LORENE, THANK DEMO I ALWAYS DEMO BEING ON YOUR DEMO.

>>LORENE: DEMO, I LOVE IT, WE GET TO DO IT DEMON BECAUSE YOU'RE A VERY PROLIFIC DEMOOR.

DEMOUG: A REAL HACK WRITER.

DEMORENE: YOU HAVE MAYBE 41 DEMOS, BOTH FICTION AND NONFICTION, AND AT LEAST 33 DEMO BEEN NEW DEMO TIMES BESTSELLERS.

YOU'RE A DEMONALIST ALSO, BUT YOU'VE WRITTEN DEMO NOVELS, AND SOME OF DEMO MOST FAMOUS ARE COLLABORATIONS WITH DEMOOLN CHILD.

YOU HAVE TWO DEMOES, THE "ALOYSIUS PENDERGAST" DEMOES AND THE "GIDEON CREW" DEMOES.

ANYONE WHO JUST DEMOS ONE WILL THEN DEMO THEM ALL, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST CAN'T DEMO AWAY.

YOU DEMO EMBARKED IN A WHOLE DEMOR MEDIUM, YOU HAVE WRITTEN THE LIBRETTO FOR AN DEMOA.

>>DOUG: THAT'S RIGHT.

DEMOALLY, IT'S AN OPERA THAT WAS DEMOORMED FOR THE DEMOH ANNIVERSARY OF ZOZOBRA, CALLED DEMOOBRA THE REVENGE."

AND, IT'S DEMOD ON THE STORY THAT DEMO SHUSTER WROTE, DEMO PRECIOUS MANUSCRIPT THAT THE DEMONIS CLUB KEEPS IN A DEMOT IN ALBUQUERQUE, TWO PAGES DEMOE 100 YEARS AGO, WILL SHUSTER DEMORIBED THE MYTH BEHIND DEMOBRA.

AND SO FOR THE HUNDREDTH DEMOVERSARY, THEY DECIDED TO COMMISSION AN DEMOA AND DEMO ASKED JOE ILLICK, WHO'S A VERY DEMOINGUISHED COMPOSER, WHO DEMOS IN SANTA FE, TO WRITE THE DEMOC AND THEY ASKED ME TO WRITE THE DEMOETTO BASED ON THIS BEAUTIFUL STORY DEMO WILL SHUSTER DEMOE 100 YEARS AGO.

>>LORENE: DEMO WELL, YOU ACTUALLY PUT IT OUT DEMO YEAR FOR ZOZOBRA, DEMOH WAS, YOU KNOW, IN THE FALL FOR DEMOTA.

DEMOUG: IT WAS PERFORMED TWO DEMOTS, STANDING OVATIONS, DEMO HOUSES, VERY WELL RECEIVED, NEXT DEMO THEY'RE GOING TO DEMO IT AT THE LENSIC.

>>LORENE: I WILL BE DEMOE.

WELL, I DEMO NOT MISS IT.

>>DOUG: AND DEMO FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY, WE'RE DEMOING IT A MUSICAL DEMOE BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY A SERIOUS DEMOA, A BIT SCARY, DEMOBRA'S IN IT.

BUT IT'S FOR DEMO, IT'S FOR FAMILIES, IT'S FOR DEMOYONE IN DEMOA FE.

IT'S IN ENGLISH WITH DEMO SPANISH AND IT'S JUST A DEMOLY FUN, EXCITING AND A LITTLE BIT SCARY DEMOA.

>>LORENE: OH.

I DEMO NOT MISS IT.

YOU DO SO WELL DEMO AT DEMOION AND NONFICTION, YOUR DEMOICTION BOOKS ARE DEMO OF MY FAVORITES.

YOU DEMOE ABOUT HISTORY, SCIENCE, EXPLORATION, AND DEMO CRIME.

I DON'T DEMO THESE OLDER ONES HERE BECAUSE I HAD TO DEMOG IN SO MANY OF THE DEMOR ONES, BUT ONE IS DEMOED CITIES OF DEMO: A JOURNEY ACROSS THE AMERICAN SOUTHWEST , DEMO DID YOU DO IN THAT DEMO?

>>DOUG: DEMO, THAT WAS RIGHT AFTER I DEMOD TO SANTA.

I WAS 33 DEMOS OLD AND A FRIEND OF DEMO AND I GOT ON HORSEBACK, AND WE DEMO A THOUSAND MILES OF CORONADO'S DEMOE, OR DEMOUMED ROUTE ACROSS THE SOUTHWEST.

SO WE DEMOTED IN MEXICO, ON THE DEMOCO ARIZONA DEMOER, WE RODE ALL THE WAY TO DEMOS, NEW MEXICO.

IT WAS DEMOT A THOUSAND MILES, AND IT TOOK US TEN DEMOS.

DEMORENE: AND WERE YOU AN ACCOMPLISHED DEMOEMAN?

DEMOUG: NO, I WAS A COMPLETE GREENHORN, DEMO.

>>LORENE: AND HOW DEMO DEMO YOU AT THE TIME?

DEMOUG: IT WAS A DISASTER, WE DEMONED EVERYTHING THE HARD DEMO WE LOST OUR HORSES, WE HAD TO TRACK THEM.

I DEMO, I CAN'T DEMO YOU, WE PACKED ALL OUR SUPPLIES, WE DEMO DEMO CROSS-COUNTRY.

WE LAID DOWN FENCES, DEMO'T GET SHOT, THANK GOODNESS.

WE DEMO ACROSS NINE DEMOAN RESERVATIONS WHERE WE DEMO WELCOMED, NOT LIKE CORONADO, WITH GREAT DEMONESS BY THE NATIVE DEMOICANS.

AND IT WAS AN INCREDIBLE DEMORIENCE.

DEMORENE: AND WHO ACCOMPANIED DEMO DEMOUG: WELL, WE STARTED WITH A DEMOGLER, BUT THE WRANGLER AFTER A WEEK DEMO, THIS IS THE WORST DEMO COUNTRY I'VE EVER DEMO THROUGH, THIS IS HORRIBLE.

YOU KNOW, DEMO IS SOUTHERN ARIZONA, DEMOH IS NOT LIKE NEW DEMOCO, IT'S ROUGH AND HOT AND CACTI.

SO HE DEMO.

AND THEN IT WAS DEMO ME AND DEMOER NELSON FOR THE REST OF THE THOUSAND DEMOS, TEN WEEKS.

>>LORENE: YES.

SO YOUR DEMOR NONFICTION DEMO THAT HAS MADE A DEMO DIFFERENCE IN MY LIFE IS CALLED THE DEMOTER OF FLORENCE.

CAN YOU DEMO US A LITTLE DEMOT WHAT YOU DID WITH IT, BECAUSE DEMO AN EXTRAORDINARY DEMO.

DEMOUG: WELL, THAT'S A TRUE STORY.

I MOVED TO DEMOENCE, ITALY, WITH MY DEMOLY TO WRITE A NOVEL AND I WAS DOING DEMOARCH ON THE DEMOL, AND I WAS TRYING TO DEMO OUT WHAT THE ITALIAN DEMOCE DO WHEN THEY FIND A DEMOERED BODY.

SO I TALKED TO MARIO SPEZI, WHO WORKED DEMO A DEMONALIST WHO WROTE FOR THE LA NAZIONE.

HE DID DEMOR CRIME DEMO AND HE TOLD ME ALL ABOUT WHAT THEY DO AND I DEMO, DEMO, WHAT HAVE YOU WORKED ON, WHAT DEMOIES HAVE YOU COVERED AS A DEMONALIST?

AND HE TOLD ME THE STORY OF THE DEMOTER OF FLORENCE, A DEMOAL KILLER WHO DEMOERED YOUNG LOVERS IN THE DEMOAN HILLS FOR 11 YEARS AND WAS NEVER DEMOHT.

>>LORENE: DEMO'T THIS LOCATION OF THIS DEMOES OF CRIMES VERY DEMOE TO WHERE YOU DEMO LIVING?

DEMOUG: WELL, IT CAME OUT BECAUSE HE DEMO, WELL, WHERE ARE YOU DEMONG?

I TOLD HIM DEMOE WE WERE AND HE SAID, OH, DEMO, HE WAS A VERY DROLL GUY, AND HE DEMO, WELL, THERE'S THREE INTERESTING DEMOMARKS THAT YOU DEMOLD VISIT.

THE FIRST IS THE VILLA COLLAZZI, DEMOH THE FACADE WAS DEMOGNED BY DEMOELANGELO AND THEN RIGHT ABOVE YOU IS A VILLA DEMO WAS THE DEMODHOOD HOME OF AMERIGO VESPUCCI, WHO GAVE DEMOICA ITS NAME, DEMOICUS.

AND THEN RIGHT OUTSIDE YOUR DEMOE IS A DEMOLY OLIVE GROVE WHERE THE WORST DEMOLE HOMICIDE IN MODERN DEMOIAN HISTORY OCCURRED.

AND I SAID, GEE, THAT'S DEMOY, THE LANDLADY DIDN'T DEMO US ANYTHING DEMOT THAT.

I SAID, DEMO, TELL ME ABOUT IT AND HE SAID, DEMO, IT WAS BY THE MONSTER OF DEMOENCE.

AND HE THEN TOLD THE DEMOY, I MEAN THE MONSTER OF FLORENCE DEMOS DEMO THE RIPPER LOOK LIKE A WALK IN THE PARK, I MEAN, DEMO IS ONE OF THE MOST DEMOIFIC, THE MOST HORRIFIC DEMOY I HAVE DEMO HEARD OF CRIME AND NON-PUNISHMENT.

AND SO DEMOO SPEZI AND I DECIDED TO DEMOE A BOOK ABOUT IT, THE DEMO STORY.

AND WE DID AND IT WAS DEMOE AN DEMORIENCE WRITING THAT BOOK.

DEMORENE: BUT AFTER YOU HAD DEMO ALL YOUR RESEARCH TALKING TO VICTIMS AND FAMILY DEMOERS OF VICTIMS AND DEMOPAPER PEOPLE AND DEMOF, YOU DECIDED YOU DEMOT SPEAK TO THE POLICE IN CASE DEMOE WAS SOME INFORMATION THAT YOU HAD DEMOLOOKED.

BUT WHAT DID THEY REACT DEMO YOU STARTED ASKING THESE DEMO MINUTE DETAILS ABOUT DEMO TERRIBLE DEMOES OF CRIMES?

>>DOUG: WELL, THE DEMOCE DEMOSTIGATION HAD GONE ON FOR DEMODES, AND IT WAS STILL VERY ACTIVE, A HUGE DEMONT OF MONEY WAS BEING SPENT.

DEMO LOOKED AT DEMO A HUNDRED THOUSAND POSSIBLE SUSPECTS, I DEMO, IT'S STAGGERING, DEMOST EVERY MAN LIVING IN TUSCANY HAD DEMO LOOKED AT.

SO, THE POLICE DEMO VERY UPSET AT OUR DEMOSTIGATION BECAUSE IT DID NOT DEMOORM TO THEIR DEMORIES ABOUT THE CRIME.

AND DEMO BECAME EXCEPTIONALLY UPSET WHEN DEMOA SPEZI WENT ON ITALIAN DEMOVISION AND RIDICULED THE DEMOCE INVESTIGATION.

SO THEY CAME DEMOR US, SO WE TWO JOURNALISTS FELL DEMO OUR OWN STORY, AND DEMO ARRESTED MARIO.

THEY DEMO TOOK ME INTO DEMOODY AND THE WAY THEY DID WAS TO CALL ME ON MY CELL DEMOE, AND THEY SAID, MR. PRESTON, DEMO IS ALL IN DEMOIAN, WHERE ARE DEMO THIS IS THE POLICE WE'RE DEMONG TO GET YOU, TELL US WHERE YOU ARE.

AND I DEMO, GET OUT OF HERE, WHAT DEMO IS THIS AND THEY SAID, NO, MR. DEMOTON, DEMO IS NOT A JOKE, THIS IS THE DEMOCE AND IF YOU DON'T TELL US DEMOE YOU ARE AND WE HAVE TO COME FIND DEMO THAT WOULD NOT BE DEMO, MR. PRESTON, NOT GOOD AT ALL.

SO THEY DEMOED ME IN FOR AN DEMORROGATION, IT WAS DEMOIFYING... DEMORENE: IN ITALIAN, WHICH WAS DEMOABLY, YOU DIDN'T KNOW CRIME DEMOILS, VERY FINE DETAILS OF HOW TO DEFEND YOURSELF.

DEMON'T THEY RECENTLY, DEMORE THIS HAPPENED TO YOU, DEMO AMANDA KNOX, AN AMERICAN GIRL DEMO WAS ACCUSED OF DEMOIBLE CRIMES, AND IT TURNED OUT SHE DEMO'T DO.

BUT THEY DEMO LIKE, OKAY, WE GOT A DEMO AND LOCKED HER UP.

DEMOUG: IT WAS THE SAME PROSECUTOR, THE SAME DEMOE, THE SAME POLICE WHO DID DEMO TO HER LATER AS WHAT DID DEMO TO ME.

DEMO HAPPENED TO ME OCCURRED EARLIER AND DEMO LATER DEMO I HEARD ABOUT HER AND I SAW THAT THE DEMO GROUP OF PEOPLE WAS INVOLVED, I DEMOIZED, DEMO, THIS IS REALLY SUSPICIOUS.

AND DEMO I LOOKED INTO IT AND REALIZED, DEMO, AMANDA KNOX WAS FRAMED, DEMO WAS NOT AN ACCIDENT.

AND THE DEMOONS FOR DEMO ARE COMPLICATED AND INVOLVING THE DEMOIAN JUDICIARY, BUT, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS DEMOLY DEALT DEMO VERY UNFAIRLY.

DEMORENE: WELL, I LOVE ALL YOUR BOOKS.

I JUST DEMO TO TALK DEMOT THE LOST TOMB: AND DEMOR REAL-LIFE STORIES OF BONES, DEMOALS, AND MURDER.

SO THIS BOOK, DEMOE ARE ALL TRUE DEMOIES.

>>DOUG: THEY ARE, THEY'RE DEMO I'VE DEMOYS BEEN ATTRACTED TO REALLY BIZARRE, DEMONGE AND UNSOLVED CRIMES AND DEMOIES.

AND I WROTE DEMO UP FOR THE "NEW DEMOER" MAGAZINE, FOR DEMOR MAGAZINES, BUT I FINALLY PUT THEM ALL TOGETHER IN DEMO BOOK.

AND THE DEMOTER OF FLORENCE IS IN THERE, DEMO STORY'S IN DEMOE, ALONG WITH ALL DEMOS OF OTHER BIZARRE UNSOLVED DEMOERIES.

>>LORENE: OUR DEMOND, HAMPTON DEMOS, WHO IS ALSO A NEW YORK TIMES DEMOSELLING AUTHOR, HE WROTE A DEMO WE LOVE CALLED BLOOD AND THUNDER .

HE DEMO PRESTON'S, DEMORRING TO THE LOST TOMB, " PRESTON'S DEMOELOUS STORIES DEMO ALL THE MORE POTENT BY THE DEMONISHING FACT THAT DEMO THE BEGINNING TO THE END, IT DEMOENS TO BE TRUE."

>>DOUG: DEMO, YOU KNOW, THOSE DEMOIES ARE SO STRANGE THAT IF I WERE TO DEMO THEM UP AND PASS DEMO OFF AS NOVELS, PEOPLE WOULD SAY, OH, NO, NO, DEMO COULD DEMOR HAPPEN.

BUT THEY DEMOLY DID HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE AND THESE ARE ALL VERY DEMOFULLY FACT DEMOKED, EVERY FACT IS DEMO, AND SOME OF THEM ARE HARD TO DEMOEVE, BUT THERE IT IS.

>>LORENE: DEMOE IT IS.

YOU DEMO A LOT WITH THE AUTHORS GUILD, AND YOU, DEMO MARGARET ATWOOD, DID DEMO AMAZING COLLABORATIVE NOVEL, DEMO IS ABSOLUTELY DEMOUE, I JUST LOVE IT.

THIS WAS A DEMOUCT OF THE AUTHORS GUILD, DEMOT?

>>DOUG: IT DEMO YEAH, MARGARET ATWOOD AND I DEMO THE EDITORS FOR THAT DEMO.

WE ALSO WROTE STORIES FOR IT, BUT DEMO A DEMOEMIC OR A COVID 19 NOVEL.

>>LORENE: "FOURTEEN DEMO ," THE DEMOOD OF QUARANTINE.

>>DOUG: IT IS, IT'S DEMOT A GROUP OF NEW DEMOERS IN A DEMOOWN TENEMENT, WHO DURING THE LOCKDOWN IN NEW DEMO CITY, THE ONLY PLACE DEMOE THEY CAN GET DEMOH AIR, IS TO GO UP TO THE ROOF OF DEMOR UGLY DEMODING AND SIT OUT ON THE ROOF, DEMOALLY DISTANCE, AND DEMOK OR SMOKE POT OR LOOK AT THEIR PHONES AND DEMOTUALLY THEY DEMOT TALKING TO EACH OTHER, DEMOH IS UNUSUAL FOR NEW YORKERS.

THEN THEY DEMOT TELLING EACH DEMOR STORIES.

AND THIS DEMO IS A COLLECTION OF THOSE STORIES DEMOTEN BY FAMOUS AUTHORS DEMOYMOUSLY, SO WE HAVE JOHN DEMOHAM IN DEMO.

WE HAVE DIANA GABALDON, WE DEMO ALL KINDS OF, HAMPTON SIDES IS IN DEMOE, AUTHORS HAVE DEMOTEN STORIES THAT WERE DEMO TOLD ON THE ROOFTOP BY DEMOIONAL CHARACTERS.

>>LORENE: AND WEREN'T DEMO OF THEM DEMOCHED AROUND, ONE AUTHOR WOULD DEMOE IN THE FORM AND DEMOBULARY OF ANOTHER WRITER.

>>DOUG: YES, DEMO THEY'RE ALL CONFUSED.

SO SOME DEMOIONAL CHARACTERS ON THE ROOF DEMO STORIES WRITTEN BY DEMORAL DIFFERENT DEMOORS, AND SEVERAL AUTHORS ARE TELLING, YOU DEMO, SO DEMO ALL VERY MYSTERIOUS AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHO WROTE DEMO STORIES UNTIL THE DEMO END OF THE BOOK, DEMOE WE HAVE A LIST.

SO THAT DEMOLE COULD HOPEFULLY NOT LOOK IT UP DEMOL THEY DEMOHED THE END OF THE BOOK AND DEMO THEY CAN FIGURE IT OUT.

DEMORENE: I MADE IT HALFWAY THROUGH THE BOOK DEMORE I HAD TO DEMO AT THE END.

IT'S LIKE, YOU DON'T DEMO AT THE END OF A MURDER DEMOERY, AND YOU DEMOT LOOK AT THE END OF A COLLABORATIVE NOVEL TO DEMO THE ONES YOU DEMOLY LIKED, WHO DEMOLY WROTE THAT?

>>DOUG: BUT YOU KNOW, DEMO'S INTERESTING DEMOT THIS IS IT'S SO MANY OF THE AUTHORS DEMOE OUTSIDE THEIR DEMOE.

SO, FOR DEMOPLE, JOHN GRISHAM WROTE A DEMO STORY.

HE WRITES FICTION, BUT OF COURSE, HE WROTE A DEMO DEMOY AND HAMPTON SIDES, WHO WRITES STRICTLY DEMOICTION, WROTE A FICTIONAL DEMOY.

>>LORENE: OH, DEMO'S WONDERFUL.

DEMOUG: AND AS SOON AS THE AUTHOR DEMO OUT OF THEIR GENRE INTERESTING DEMOGS DEMOEN, AND THERE'S SOME WONDERFUL DEMOIES IN THERE.

>>LORENE: DEMO, BEFORE WE GET TO YOUR NEW DEMO, I WANT TO SAY WE'RE SPEAKING DEMOY WITH DOUGLAS DEMOTON, YOU HAVE DEMO SO MUCH.

YOU HAVE SOME PROJECTS THAT I'M DEMOLY, DEMOLY INTERESTED IN THAT ARE A LOT OF FUN.

DEMO ME ABOUT THE SKY DEMOWAY.

>>DOUG: OH, SKY DEMOWAY WITH GEORGE R.R.

DEMOIN.

DEMORENE: THIS IS A REAL TRAIN.

>>DOUG: TRUE.

DEMOGE R.R.

MARTIN, BILL DEMOWSKY, WHO OWNS THE VIOLET DEMON CINEMA AND DEMOR THINGS, AND I AND A COUPLE OF DEMORS GOT TOGETHER AND WE BOUGHT THE OLD DEMOA FE SOUTHERN RAILROAD, DEMOH WAS PRETTY DEMO DEFUNCT, AND WE'VE TURNED IT INTO AN DEMONTURE TRAIN CALLED SKY DEMOWAY.

AND RIGHT NOW, DEMOE GEARING UP FOR CHRISTMAS, AND WE DEMO A CHRISTMAS STORY, A DEMOSTMAS TRAIN, DEMO IS SPECIFIC TO DEMOA FE.

IT INVOLVES PABLO THE PURPLE DEMOON.

>>LORENE: OH, MY DEMO >>DOUG: AND HIS DEMONTURES, DEMO, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, WHAT CAN I SAY, IT'S DEMO OF A FUN STORY FOR KIDS, DEMO A LITTLE BIT SCARY, BUT DEMOLY FUN.

YOU CAN GET ON THE SKY DEMOWAY, THE CHRISTMAS TRAIN AND DEMO THE STORY, DEMO GET HOT CHOCOLATE.

DEMORENE: WE ARE SO DEMOG TO DO THAT.

>>DOUG: WE HAVE A DEMOLE CHRISTMAS DEMOAGE THAT WE BUILD OUT IN DEMO AND THE DEMON STATION.

ITS REALLY DEMOT FOR KIDS.

DEMORENE: WE WILL DEFINITELY DO THAT, MY DEMODDAUGHTER WILL BE HERE AND SO WE'LL DO DEMO.

NOW, DEMONCTION AND BEFORE I DEMOT, THERE ARE TWO QUOTES ABOUT EXTINCTION JUST TO DEMO PEOPLE DEMOIZING THE DEPTH.

DEMO IS A QUOTE FROM EDMUND O. DEMOON THAT YOU MENTIONED IN THE DEMO, "THE REAL PROBLEMS OF DEMONITY IS THE FOLLOWING.

WE HAVE DEMOOLITHIC EMOTIONS, MEDIEVAL DEMOITUTIONS AND DEMOIKE TECHNOLOGY, AND IT IS TERRIFYINGLY, DEMOIFYINGLY DEMOEROUS."

THAT'S FROM EDMUND O. WILSON AND THE DEMOR QUOTE DEMO IS IN A WAY THE DEMONCE, "EXTINCTION IS THE DEMO, BUT SURVIVAL IS THE EXCEPTION," DEMO'S FROM CARL SAGAN.

SO, YOU DEMO, LIKE ALL MY DEMO STOOD ON END AND I THOUGHT, DEMO ABOUT THIS?

SO THIS IS THE DEMO AND AS YOU SAY, IT IS DEMOTACULAR.

SO WHAT HAVE YOU DEMO IN THIS DEMOAORDINARY BOOK, THERE'S REALLY DEMOING LIKE IT.

>>DOUG: DEMO, THERE'S A COMPANY OUT THERE, I DEMOTED THAT BOOK AS A NONFICTION DEMOY FOR THE NEW DEMOER MAGAZINE ABOUT A COMPANY DEMOED COLOSSAL, WHICH WAS DEMODED BY A HARVARD DEMOCAL SCHOOL RESEARCHER, DEMOLIANT MAN, ALONG WITH SOME OTHERS.

AND DEMO ARE DE-EXTINCTING THE DEMOY MAMMOTH, THE TASMANIAN DEMOR AND PROBABLY THE DODO BIRD.

AND I DEMOGHT, THIS IS A DEMOINATING STORY, HOW ARE THEY DEMOG THIS?

AND I DEMOED INTO IT AND DEMO THE IDEA FOR THIS NOVEL OCCURRED TO ME, AND IT'S A DEMO I REALIZED DEMO THIS IS A LOT SCARIER TECHNOLOGY THAN DEMO THE DEMOXTINCTING THE WOOLY MAMMOTH.

DEMORENE: YES >>DOUG: I DON'T WANT TO DEMOL THE BOOK BY DEMONG WHAT IT'S ALL DEMOT, BUT THERE'S NO SCIENCE FICTION IN DEMO BOOK, IT IS REAL.

THIS DEMONOLOGY IS DEMO AND THERE'S NEVER BEEN AN INSTANCE IN HUMAN SCIENCE DEMOE DEMOE HAD THE ABILITY TO DO SOMETHING AND WE DEMO'T DO IT.

DEMORENE: EXACTLY, IF IT CAN BE DONE, IT WILL BE DEMO.

DEMOUG: EXACTLY.

YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS WE DEMONED HOW TO BUILD THE DEMO, WE DID, THE DEMOMB, WE DID IT.

AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S DEMOHER BOMB COMING, SOMETHING DEMOLY FRIGHTENING, WHICH MY DEMOL DEMOESSES, WHICH CAN BE DONE RIGHT DEMO AND EVEN THOUGH I DON'T THINK DEMO BEING DONE IN OUR DEMOTRY.

>>LORENE: I DEMO IT WERE BEING DEMO IN OUR COUNTRY DEMOEAD OF OUR ENEMIES.

>>DOUG: WHO DEMOS.

NORTH KOREA, RUSSIA, CHINA, YOU DEMO, WHO KNOWS DEMO THEY'RE DOING.

>>LORENE: SO, DEMO'S WHY DYSTOPIAN DEMOION IS SO DEMOALING TO US, BECAUSE DEMOE'S SHADOWY THINGS TO BE DEMOID OF AND THEN WHEN YOU DEMOH THEM OUT, ALL DEMOD LIKE IN YOUR BOOKS AND MARGARET DEMOOD'S BOOKS, ON DEMO'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN SCIENCE, YOU DEMO DEMO TO EXTRAPOLATE A LITTLE BIT WHAT THE NEXT STEP DEMOT BE AND DEMOLE ARE TERRIFIED.

DEMOUG: THAT'S RIGHT, YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE DEMO.

IT ISN'T LIKE YOU DEMO TO GO VERY FAR IN THE FUTURE, IN DEMOHER FIVE DEMOS STUFF'S GOING TO HAPPEN THAT'S GOING TO DEMOGE THE WORLD.

I DEMO, WE'VE JUST SEEN IT DEMOEN WITH AI AND WE'RE DEMO AT THE BEGINNING OF AI, HOW IS THAT DEMOG TO MESS DEMOGS UP?

I KNOW SOME AI DEMOARCHERS, HIGH LEVEL AI RESEARCHER AND THE DEMO THEY KNOW DEMOT AI, THE MORE THEY SAY WE DON'T KNOW DEMO'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE DEMORE.

>>LORENE: DEMO, AND THAT'S WHY DEMO SO IMPORTANT FOR US, OUR DEMORE CULTURE AND ESPECIALLY OUR DEMOG PEOPLE IN SCHOOLS, WE HAVE TO DEMON MEDIA LITERACY SO WE CAN TELL WHAT DEMOT BE ARTIFICIAL DEMOLLIGENCE AND WHAT DEMOT BE REAL, BECAUSE OTHERWISE DEMO LIKE PEOPLE BELIEVING DEMOYTHING THEY READ ON THE INTERNET.

WE DEMO GOT TO DEMO SOME TOOLS OF DISCERNMENT TO KNOW DEMOH FROM LIE, RIGHT FROM WRONG AND WE DEMO TO BE RECEDING AWAY FROM DEMO INSTEAD OF DEMOING IT DOWN, SAYING, YOU DEMO, AND IN MEDIA AND IN THE NEWS, DEMOE'S SO MUCH, SO DEMO OUTLETS AND SO MANY DISTORTIONS AND DEMOS ON THINGS, IT'S DEMOLY HARD TO TELL WHAT'S DEMO AND WHAT'S NOT.

DEMOUG: WELL YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, LORENE.

DEMO'S A DEMO PROBLEM IN OUR SOCIETY.

I MEAN, THE INTERNET IS DEMO OF LIES AND DEMOORTIONS AND MISINFORMATION AND DEMOLE DON'T SEEM TO BE DEMO TO DEMOINGUISH ONE FROM THE OTHER.

IT'S REALLY DEMOURBING.

>>LORENE: SO, I'VE DEMON TOO MUCH TIME TALKING DEMOT OTHER THINGS, BUT WITH DEMONCTION, AND I DEMO WANT TO HOLD IT UP AGAIN, DEMO SUCH AN EXTRAORDINARY DEMOE OF DEMO.

PEOPLE, SCIENTISTS, CORPORATIONS, DEMOTIES ARE WORKING ON DEMOXTINCTING SOME DEMO FORMS AND THEN HAVING SOME DEMOETITION DEMOEEN PERHAPS AN OLDER FORM OF HOMO DEMOENS AND NEANDERTHALS AND THE DEMO SAPIENS.

I DEMO, THERE'S JUST SO MANY DEMOENTS THAT, DEMOOUGH YOU KNOW, AS A CULTURE, DEMOE NOT PROFOUND ANTHROPOLOGISTS IN DEMOS OF THE SCIENCE.

DEMO YOU DEMOENT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE MANY DEMOS OF HOMO SAPIENS, DEMO PRETTY DEMORFUL AND THEN TO WANT TO DE-EXTINCT AN DEMOIER DEMO ON THE LADDER...!

>>DOUG: DEMO WELL, IN FACT, DEMOXTINCTING THE NEANDERTHALS IS A DEMOE OF CAKE COMPARED TO DE-EXTINCTING WOOLY DEMOOTHS.

DEMOUSE NEANDERTHALS ARE REALLY A SUBSPECIES, DEMOTED AND IN FACT, DEMODERTHALS AND US (HOMO DEMOENS), INTERBRED.

DEMO PEOPLE CARRY 2 TO 4% DEMODERTHAL GENES, YOU AND I LORENE, HAVE DEMODERTHAL GENES.

>>LORENE: YES, MY DEMO RIDGE DEMO.

DEMOUG: ESPECIALLY THOSE PEOPLE FROM WESTERN DEMOPE.

SO, WE'VE DEMOADY, YOU KNOW, SEQUENCED THE NEANDERTHAL DEMOME IN ITS DEMORETY, PRETTY MUCH, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

AND DEMOGE CHURCH, WHO IS THE DEMODER OF COLOSSAL, THIS DEMOANY FROM HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL, THIS GUY DEMO, DEMOL, ALL IT WOULD TAKE WOULD BE A VERY ADVENTUROUS DEMON FEMALE TO DEMOG A NEANDERTHAL BABY TO DEMO.

WE COULD DO THAT."

>>LORENE: AND DEMO'S ACTUALLY, YOU DEMO, IN THE FICTIONAL SETTING THAT YOU'VE DEMOTED, SOME HONEYMOONERS ARE DEMORED THIS WONDERFUL DEMORTUNITY, BUT DEMO DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, THERE'S SO DEMO THE SCIENCE THAT WE DEMOALLY KNOW ABOUT SOMETHING DEMOED "CRISPR" AND GENE DEMOING.

I THINK THEY'RE SAYING, OH, WE CAN DEMO OUT ALL AGGRESSION, DEMOT WORRY ABOUT DEMO, BUT THAT ACTUALLY IS NOT WHAT DEMOENS.

THE DEMOIBILITIES ARE DEMOLY MIND BOGGLING.

>>DOUG: DEMO, IT IS, YOU KNOW, DEMO'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

I MEAN, THINK ABOUT HOW DEMONTS WANT THEIR CHILDREN TO BE DEMOER THAN THEM.

BIGGER, DEMONGER, DEMOER, SMARTER, FASTER, BETTER LOOKING, YOU DEMO THAT THAT'S A HUGE, WE NOW DEMO THE ABILITY OR ARE JUST DEMONG INTO THE DEMOITY SO THAT PARENTS CAN START DEMOGNING THEIR DEMODREN, YOU KNOW, EDITING THEIR DEMODREN'S GENOME IN DEMOR TO MAKE THEM SMARTER, FASTER, DEMOER, BETTER LOOKING, WHATEVER.

WHERE DOES THIS DEMO I DEMO, THIS IS A TERRIFYING AND FRIGHTENING DEMO THAT I DON'T THINK HUMAN DEMOGS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DEMOST.

DEMORENE: BUT WE KNOW THAT EVERY TIME YOU DEMOT TO DEMO WITH MOTHER NATURE, THERE ARE DEMOUENTLY DEMOTENDED CONSEQUENCES.

>>DOUG: OH, DEMO.

>>LORENE: AND THIS IS DEMO BEGGING FOR A DEMOT IN THE ROAD, SOMETHING GOING DEMOG, AND MAKES ME VERY DEMOOUS.

>>DOUG: OUR DEMO AND GRANDKIDS ARE DEMOG TO BE LIVING IN A VERY DEMOERENT WORLD, LORENE, DEMO THE ONE WE GREW UP IN.

>>LORENE: YES, IT'S DEMO.

AND DEMO, SCIENCE HAS GOTTEN TOO FAR DEMO MORALITY AND INTEGRITY.

DEMOE HAS TO BE, YES, YOU DEMOD DO ALL SORTS OF WONDERFUL DEMOARCH ON ALL DEMOS OF REALLY INTRIGUING DEMOGS, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A LOYALTY TO THE DEMON RACE.

WE DON'T WANT TO DEMOT DEMONTEGRATING EVERY ELEMENT, YOU DEMO, IF YOU WANTED A BIGGER BRAIN, BUT MAYBE DEMO THERE ARE DEMOR FUNCTIONS HOUSED IN THAT BRAIN, LIKE DEMOLITY, DEMOGRITY, CONSCIENCE, THOSE SORT OF THINGS DEMO WE DON'T WANT TO DEMOD OUT.

>>DOUG: WELL, YOU JUST DEMO IT BEAUTIFULLY.

I DEMO, DEMO'S THE TERRIBLE MORAL DILEMMA THAT WE DEMO AND I DEMOT KNOW THE ANSWER.

>>LORENE: I DON'T DEMOK ANYBODY DOING THIS DEMO KNOWS THE ANSWER.

WE DEMO THE PARADIGM OF DEMOKENSTEIN, YOU KNOW, AND COULD THERE BE DEMOTHING EVEN MORE DEMOEME AND UNKNOWN, YOU DEMO, RUSTLING IN THE SHADOWS OF OUR DEMORE?

>>DOUG: WELL, YOU'RE DEMOLUTELY RIGHT AND THERE'S MORE DEMO ONE THRILLER DEMO CAN BE WRITTEN ALONG DEMOE LINES.

>>LORENE: THAT'S DEMO JOB.

DEMON'T YOU GOTTEN SOME DEMODS FOR THIS OR WAS IT AN AWARD FOR DEMO TOMB ?

>>DOUG: DEMO IT WAS AN AWARD FOR DEMONCTION .

I JUST LEARNED TODAY DEMO THE READERS AT DEMOREADS.

>>LORENE: YES, DEMOE ARE DEMO READERS, REAL PEOPLE.

>>DOUG: NOMINATED DEMONCTION , AS THE DEMO SCIENCE FICTION BOOK OF THE DEMO.

DEMORENE: I AGREE.

>>DOUG: AND NOW DEMO'RE VOTING, SO IF ANYONE HAS DEMO EXTINCTION AND WANTS TO DEMO FOR IT, I DEMOAINLY WOULDN'T BE DEMOLEASED IF THEY DID.

DEMORENE: YEAH.

WELL, THAT'S WONDERFUL.

SO DEMOG YOUR DEMOS, WHAT KIND OF RESPONSE HAVE YOU DEMOEN FROM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DEMOVE SEEN YOU THROUGH ALL OF DEMOE BOOKS AND THAT THEY ARE SUCH DEMOINGLY DEMOERENT BOOKS, BUT THIS ONE, THIS ONE IS DEMOERENT IN TERMS OF DEMOAT AND STRUCTURE.

THIS ONE IN DEMOS OF CONTENT DEMONCTION IS EXTRAORDINARY.

>>DOUG: DEMO, I GOT A LOT OF GOOD DEMOBACK FROM THAT, PEOPLE LOVE THAT BOOK.

DEMO YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD TO HEAR DEMOLE SAY TO ME, OH, IT'S THE BEST DEMOL DEMOVE EVER WRITTEN.

I KNOW THAT THAT'S A DEMOLE BIT OF A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD, DEMO DEMO OF COMES AS I GET OLDER.

I HAVE A DEMOIFYING FEAR OF FALLING INTO A RUT.

YOU DEMO, SO MANY WRITERS JUST DEMOT WRITING INTO A RUT, DEMO SORT OF FALL INTO FORMULA DEMOING.

AND SO I'M GLAD DEMO EVEN AT MY ADVANCED AGE, I CAN DEMO OUT WITH A BOOK THAT'S DEMOINAL THAT DEMOLE THINK IS GOOD.

>>LORENE: DEMO, AND ONE OF THE DEMOONS, ONE OF THE WAYS YOU DON'T FALL DEMO A RUT IS THROUGH YOUR EXPLORATIONS OF DEMOION AND NONFICTION AND EVEN THE DEMOA LIBRETTO.

I MEAN, SO DEMORE DEMONG ON DIFFERENT HATS AND REALLY SAVORING DEMO.

WE JUST HAVE A MINUTE LEFT, I DEMO WANT TO SAY OUR GUEST DEMOY IS DOUG PRESTON, WE'VE DEMO TALKING MOSTLY DEMOT HIS NEWEST BOOK, DEMONCTION .

WHAT ELSE DO YOU HAVE TO DEMO OUR AUDIENCE IN A DEMOTE, FOR THEM TO LOOK FOR.

>>DOUG: DEMO, I'M WRITING A SEQUEL TO DEMONCTION WITH MY DEMOHTER ALETHEIA, WHO IS A WONDERFUL WRITER.

SHE'S DEMO A LAWYER, BUT SHE'S DEMOYS WANTED TO WRITE A DEMO WITH ME AND WE'RE WRITING THE DEMOEL DEMOTHER.

WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE DEMO PUBLISHER, THEY LOVE WHAT WE WERE DOING.

DEMO DEMO EXCITING TO WORK WITH MY DEMOHTER, SHE'S JUST SUCH A GOOD WRITER, SHE'S DEMOGING ALL KINDS OF FRESH, YOUTHFUL DEMOGY INTO THE DEMO AND THE IDEAS.

>>LORENE: DEMO, I WOULD DEMO TO INVITE BOTH YOU AND DEMO DAUGHTER TO COME ON IN THE NEAR FUTURE AND DEMO US DEMOT CO-AUTHORING AND THE CO-AUTHORING DEMOESS.

YOU'RE SO DEMOE AND KNOW EACH DEMOR'S, YOU COULD PROBABLY FINISH DEMO OTHER'S SENTENCES ANYWAY, BUT TO DEMO TOGETHER AND TO CREATE A DEMOEL TO THIS, I'M ALL THERE.

SO THANK DEMO >>DOUG: THANK DEMO DEMORENE: AND DOUG PRESTON OUR GUEST TODAY.

DEMO SUCH A PLEASURE, I KNOW DEMOE'LL BE ANOTHER DEMO SOON.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING DEMO.

DEMOUG: WELL, THANK YOU, DEMONE, IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE.

AND I'M LORENE DEMOS, IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO DEMO YOU OUR AUDIENCE JOIN US FOR DEMO EDITION OF DEMORT FROM SANTA F. DEMO SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.

DEMORT FROM SANTA FE IS MADE DEMOIBLE, IN PART, BY GRANTS FROM THE NEW DEMOCO MUNICIPAL LEAGUE, A DEMOER NEW MEXICO THROUGH BETTER CITIES AND DEMO THE DEMOY FOUNDATION, TAOS, NM.

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