For the People
Dr. Frances Cress Welsing, Part 1 (1989)
Season 3 Episode 1 | 27m 52sVideo has Closed Captions
Dr. Frances Welsing discusses her theories on white supremacy with host Listervelt Middleton.
In an interview with host Listervelt Middleton, Washington, D.C., psychiatrist Dr. Frances Cress Welsing used a chessboard as a visual aid to illustrate her theories on white supremacy. Dr. Welsing argues that racism—specifically white supremacy—is a deliberate and subconscious strategy designed to ensure white genetic survival and prevent white genetic annihilation.
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For the People
Dr. Frances Cress Welsing, Part 1 (1989)
Season 3 Episode 1 | 27m 52sVideo has Closed Captions
In an interview with host Listervelt Middleton, Washington, D.C., psychiatrist Dr. Frances Cress Welsing used a chessboard as a visual aid to illustrate her theories on white supremacy. Dr. Welsing argues that racism—specifically white supremacy—is a deliberate and subconscious strategy designed to ensure white genetic survival and prevent white genetic annihilation.
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- [Narrator] This program is sponsored in part by a grant from the Nubian Study Group of Washington, D.C. - I say that the dynamic, the behavioral dynamic of white supremacy is analogous to a Chess game.
We haven't looked at it in that way before.
See, we've looked at it.
Everybody hold hands, ring around a-rosie.
We're all in this together and found that, wait a minute, that's not what's happening.
That if we understand the game of Chess where you have a white side of the Chess board and you have a black side of the Chess board, when people sit down to play Chess, because I'm not talking about hating white people.
I am talking about analyzing the behavior, but I'm not talking about hating them.
I'm not talking about destroying white people, but I am talking about understanding this so-called game of Chess.
- Good evening, and welcome to "For the People."
History tells us that before the Africans encounter with the European, the African did not need food stamps, did not have broken homes, did not need welfare, did not need care packages from Europe, did not have single parent families, did not hate Black skin, did not worship a white image of God.
No, these problems did not occur at the beginning of the African encounter with the European, but they began with the advent of white racism or white supremacy behavior.
But while much scholarly attention has been focused on the victims of white supremacy behavior, there has been almost no serious scholarly examination of the white psyche that gave birth to white supremacy behavior.
Dr. Francis Cress Welsing is a Washington, D.C. based Psychiatrist who has been studying white supremacy behavior for more than 20 years.
As you look at the economic, political, and cultural condition of African Americans and Africans around the world, what do you see is the primary, as the primary obstacle blocking our development?
- Well, I would label that obstacle with one word, racism, or the phrase white supremacy, that I believe that we need to understand racism in quite a different way.
We need to understand white supremacy as we would understand the science.
And if we investigate that dynamic, not only locally, nationally, globally speaking, that we will be able to have a greater insight into, you know, what we call, what we refer to as poverty, or all the problems of the so-called inner city, teenage pregnancy, you name it, failure in school, unemployment.
If we understand racism, white supremacy at another level, we will be able to, I maintain, solve these problems.
- How do you define white supremacy or racism?
- Well, I understand racism.
Well, let me just drop back.
- Okay.
- In the late 1960s, I wrote a paper on racism.
The paper was really written for fellow colleagues in psychiatry because we were looking at racism.
If you remember, 20 years ago, people were having Black caucuses and looking at the issue of racism during the Civil Rights era.
And so I put down my thoughts about racism, and I entitled the paper that I wrote, "The Cress Theory of Color, Confrontation and Racism" in Parenthesis, White Supremacy.
Cress is my maiden name.
And so I entitled the paper that, but basically I looked at racism as a behavioral dynamic that came about because the white population in the world is a tiny minority population.
It is also a genetic recessive population in terms of skin coloration.
And so I looked at racism as behavior that evolved when this minority population that was genetic recessive found itself in a world on a planet in which the vast majority of the people, Black, brown, red, and yellow, are not only the numerical majority, but they are genetically dominant in terms of skin coloration and could potentially cause white genetic annihilation.
And so if the white population consciously or subconsciously desire to survive genetically speaking, do you see and not be, well, I think sometimes they use the terms mongrel-ization of the racist.
But genetic annihilation is a terminology that I use.
Then that would require that the white population hold in oppression all of the non-white people on the planet, Black, brown, red, and yellow people.
Now, of all of the non-white people, Black people have the greatest genetic potential to cause white genetic annihilation.
And so when we were children, we learn, if you're Black, stay back, brown, stick around, yellow, mellow, white, right.
Now, those are the gradations of the genetic production of this Black pigment melanin.
And so the more melanin you have, the greater threat to the fear of white genetic annihilation.
So that's the way that I understand racism.
And racism is not something that is just operative at the economic level.
That racism, to use the terminology of a gentleman named Neely Fuller, who has also written about racism, that it is operative in all areas of people activity, economics, education, entertainment, labor, law, politics, religion, sex and war.
In other words, there are behaviors that are carried out across the board in all areas of people activity to prevent white genetic annihilation or to maintain white genetic survival.
- Two terms, genetic recessive and genetic annihilation.
What do they mean?
- Well, genetic recessive, the inability to produce melanin skin pigmentation is a genetic recessive trait.
A genetic dominant trait is the ability to produce melanin pigment.
Now, melanin is the pigment that it's a Black pigment that causes skin coloration.
And so the inability to produce that pigment is a genetic recessive trait, whereas a genetically dominant trait is the ability to produce it.
And so that's why when you mix Black people and white people, the product is a product of color.
The person is going to be a colored person.
- Okay, so in a sentence or two, again, the Cress Theory of Color Confrontation says what?
- The Cress Theory of Color Confrontation says that racism, white supremacy is conscious and subconscious behavior to maintain white genetic survival on planet earth and to prevent white genetic annihilation.
- Okay, what are the historical and psychological evidences that lead you to believe that racism is based in the fear whites have around genetic survival?
- Well, perhaps I would say, well, we have history and we have, you know, hundreds of years of oppression, what non-white people refer to as oppression.
Sometimes it was referred to as a colonialism, imperialism, slavery, for example, I say slavery was a phase of white supremacy domination.
Do you see that?
Reaching out.
I mean, going into Africa, going into Asia, going into other countries, but certainly going into Africa and bringing African people, 50 million people were taken out of Africa, going into Africa enslaving people and bringing people, you know, to different parts of the world.
So we have a historic record that demonstrates not only when white people came to this area of the world, there were brown people here, native Americans, you know, the various Indian nations, millions of people, do you see, who are today even living on reservations, do you see?
And they were slaughtered and they were taken off of their land, and they too could cause white genetic annihilation.
In other words, if there was this mixing, you would have white genetic annihilation or, you know, not white genetic survival.
- Now, is the fear whites have around genetic survival, the only thing that fuels white supremacy, or is there an economic component to it?
- No, I say that the deep underlying, I'm a psychiatrist, And so I'm accustomed to looking for the core of behavior.
In other words, what is underlying behavior?
People come and ask the psychiatrists, why do I do what I do?
If the answer was just at the surface level, they would be able to see it themselves.
Sometimes you have to look very deeply to see, well, what is fueling, what is underlying this?
And so I say that the fear of white genetic annihilation fuels all of the activity that we see.
I mean, it's not only of fear of genetic annihilation, but there's also a sense of inadequacy that goes along with that fear.
Do you see, and I say that one of the major evidences of a sense of genetic inadequacy is the, I would say the obsession to tan.
You see, I mean, you know, physicians, white physicians, every summer in this area of the world, also in Europe, will tell the white population be very careful about staying in the sun.
But the white population, you know, says, and it maybe not everybody, but certainly large enough numbers for it to be a real concern, "I have to have a tan.
I don't think I look good unless I have a tan."
Now, the very tanning mechanism is bombarding cells in the skin that customarily or normally would produce melanin pigment so that the skin would be normally brown or Black, okay?
But if those cells have a deficiency of an enzyme called tyrosinase, then they can't go forward and produce melanin pigment.
But if I bombard those cells with ultraviolet rays, light rays, I can force the cells to produce small quantities of the tyrosinase enzyme and go forward to produce a melanin pigment.
You see, so I say that that obsession about having to have color.
- How long has white supremacy been in existence on this planet?
- Well, I would go back 2000 years.
I would, I would go back to even Greek and Roman times.
I mean, if we bring to mind a map of the world and we see this gigantic continent of Africa, and then we see the very tiny countries that are atop the continent of Africa, Europe.
And if we look and, you know, visualize on the northern tier of the Mediterranean, Greece and Rome, so that when you had the white population, you know, 2,500 years ago coming into Africa, there had to be the awareness that, you know, white genetic annihilation was possible.
And to the extent that people will say that the Greeks were white, or the Romans were white with all the intermixture that was going on with Black people in Africa, then there had to be, do you see?
There had to be the maintenance of a white population or saying, well, the white population is gonna have certain privileges, and the non-white population is gonna be denied those privileges.
Otherwise everybody would've been colored.
You see?
Because you certainly had more people in Africa than you had in, you know, the tiny area of Europe.
And so if there was a, just a genetic blending, everybody you see blending together, then everybody would've been dark.
But if everybody is not dark, then that means that there's a segregation going on based on the ability to produce melanin skin pigmentation.
And I say that that's white supremacy.
- How does your perception of racism differ from the traditional perception of racism?
- Well, I'm not sure what you would call the traditional, but you, you know, maybe the traditional view says that racism came about as a result of certain kinds of economic activity.
Do you see in that if you segregate on the basis of color, that you can have a population that you can economically exploit because they are identifiable as being non-white people.
- And you say that's not valid.
- And I say, no.
I say it's upside down, that it's the other way around, that the oppression, do you see, because non-white people and Black people in particular are not just exploited or oppressed in the area of economics, they're oppressed across the board.
Economics, education, entertainment, labor, law, politics, religion, sex and war, the oppression, do you see, for what I refer to with white genetic survival is operative in all areas of people activity, not simply the economic area.
Do you see, and I think that Black people have, well, if we are going to as Black people take responsibility, you know, and I think that, you know, white people, some white people from time to time verbalize, oh, I'm so tired of you people begging and asking, you know, we are tired of giving.
And you know, I understand that in terms of white genetic survival thinking, okay, but if Black people are going to take responsibility for the situation that we find ourselves in, or all the non-white people on the planet, do you see that are suffering under white supremacy.
If we are going to take responsibility, then that means that we have to analyze that we've thought, well, if they change the laws, everything will be all right.
Or if I get a job, everything is gonna be all right.
If I get an education, everything is gonna be all right.
So now we find no, that's not true.
- Which gets to my next question really.
How has the quote, traditional view of what racism is hampered our ability to deal with it effectively?
- Well, it's the same thing as a doctor having an inadequate diagnosis.
Do you see if as a physician, I have an inadequate diagnosis of the patient's condition, then I'm doing something with the patient, but the patient continues to be sick, the patient might even die.
A smart physician will say, I have the wrong diagnosis, or my diagnosis is inadequate.
I really need to study this patient in greater depth to find out what is really going on, so then I can then do something about it.
Do you see?
And so I'm saying that instead of, because I think that with this understanding of racism, I can understand, I mean, I'm not angry at white people because they're practicing white supremacy.
I think it's unjust.
I think it's horrible.
But when I analyze their situation and say, well, they're doing this to survive, do you see they're frightened.
I mean, you know, even the killing of Black men, Black men are a threat to white genetic survival.
- Why?
- Well, because only men can impose sexual intercourse.
White males coming out of Europe impose sexual intercourse in Africa on, you know, African women.
Women cannot impose sexual intercourse.
White women cannot impose sexual intercourse.
Black women cannot impose sexual intercourse.
Do you follow what I'm saying?
That's basic physiology.
Do you see, because let's say if a woman said to a man, "You are going to have sex with me," and he says no.
And so I pull out a M-16 rifle and I say, "You better."
Do you see?
If I frighten him, then he'll lose the erection.
So we, you know, the male cannot be forced, but males can force females, white males can force females, Black males can force females so that the fear of white genetic annihilation centers really on the Black male.
Do you see, and that was why I say the Republican party could win an election by talking about Willie Horton.
Do you see?
Because- - Talk about Willie Horton.
What do you- - Well, do you see that, Willie Horton, you know, Willie Horton, Willie Horton, here's a Black male who raped a white female, was let out of prison and raped a white female.
Everybody, the white females, that is, got very frightened by that.
We are told, do you see?
But I say that what was really being stirred up, not only in the white females, but in the white males also was here is a Black man, do you see, who is invading white females.
And that is how white genetic annihilation occurs.
Do you see?
And so I say that is the deepest issue in the brain computer of white persons on the planet earth.
Do you see, this fear of disappearance.
And we as Black people, you know, we don't really understand that.
I mean, because we cannot disappear based on genetic annihilation.
And as a matter of fact, under white supremacy, Black people try to get rid of the color.
- Right.
- Do you see?
And find it very difficult to get rid of because the pigment is so very powerful, okay?
But that, I mean, Black people were doing that thinking, well, if we were lighter, maybe there would be less oppression, you see, under white supremacy.
But I'm saying that Black people do not understand this fear, but I maintain that white people understand the fear.
And this is why groups that call themselves Ku Klux Klan, do you see, can raise the issue of racial purity and have a lot of people, do you see, respond to that.
I even maintain that that's what the cross burning is all about.
Do you see?
I say that the cross, if you, you know, I hope we can talk about this in a mature way on television, but if you have a view of the male genitalia, do you see, so you're looking at the testicles and you're looking at the phallus that if the brain makes an abstraction of that, you have a cross.
Do you see?
And so all of the, you know, mongrel-ization of the races or the white race is going to disappear.
And so that is all together symbolized in a cross and burning of the cross.
Do you see?
Which is a statement of that this is what the Black male's genitalia can do, can cause the annihilation of the white race.
And so, you know, lynch the Black man, castrate the Black man, if a Black man gets out of line, then burn a cross on his front lawn, do you see, and kill him.
I say that these are the deeper issues that are not talked about at the surface level.
You know, people say, oh, I never thought about it like that.
I mean, I've had white people say that, oh, I wondered why.
I didn't understand why.
You see, now, you know, when every white person hears that, they may not respond, but somebody has to explain the behavior.
- You mentioned the word castration then.
How prevalent is that in world history?
That is people being castrated.
- Well, I say that that is peculiar to, that is peculiar to white people dealing with non-white people.
I mean, there's no record of Black men castrating white men.
There's no record of Black men tampering with the genitals of white men.
Do you see?
And so if a scientist, a behavioral scientist would say, well, this is very interesting.
Why would this occur?
What is behind this behavior?
Why this attack on the Black man's genitals?
And I say that if we begin to understand the fear of genetic annihilation, because what is in the genitals?
What is in the testicles?
Do you see, the genetic material is in the testicles.
Do you see?
And so if I have a fear of being genetically annihilated, then the brain computer will cause me to attack the person's genitals.
I even say that, you know what is called justifiable homicide.
And justifiable homicide does not refer to, because we don't have instances of Black men in police uniforms.
Do you see, so-called accidentally killing a white male.
We don't have any record of that.
But the record- - Say that again.
Say that again.
Say that again.
- So you don't have a record or you know, of Black police officers saying, "Oh, I shot that white male, I thought he had a weapon."
There's no record of that.
But we have, you know, the record is, you know, gross with innumerable instances of a white male in uniform, you know, could be a 14-year-old Black male, or it could be a 45-year-old Black male.
"I shot him, I thought he had a weapon."
And then that's called justifiable homicide.
Now I say deeper what is going on is that within the white male's brain computer is, he looks at the Black man and he thinks about the Black man's genetic power that resides in the genitals.
And that in his mind subconsciously is a weapon.
Do you see what I'm saying?
Because see, we never talk about these issues, these issues that I'm talking about.
Do you see, I would guess that they've never been talked about in the history of television.
Do you see, to talk about what is actually going on around this issue of fear of genetic annihilation.
So that, that I thought he had a weapon and so therefore I shot him.
Well, he does have a genetic weapon, if you wanna call it that.
And I say that that also accounts for the language that is used, the great equalizer.
I wish we had a blackboard because again, to go back to looking at the male genitalia, and you can see if the brain makes an abstraction, it's gonna be a cross.
Okay, if you look at a lateral view of the male genital, you have something that looks almost like a L. Do you see, if you turn that around 90 degrees and you have, you know, you have something that looks like this, and it's an abstraction of a gun, and then we call that the great equalizer, you see?
And then it's worn at the levels of the genitals and at the hip level.
So I say that the brain computer, do you see, in the white collective, and white male collective specifically, that if you know, there's looking at the Black male and saying he has a weapon, meaning his genitalia and his genetic material, that can cause my annihilation.
And so the brain computer says, must create weapon can do same thing.
Do you see?
And then that turns out to be the gun.
- An effective response to white supremacy, your opinion on the Civil Rights movement as an effective response to the- - Well, do you see, the Civil Rights movement evolved.
I mean, you take the emancipation of, you know, enslaved Black people in 1863.
I mean, at that point, when we were enslaved by white supremacy, we thought if they would just take the chains off, everything would be all right.
And we found out that the chains were taken off, and then we had laws that were going to do the same thing that the chains did.
And so the Civil Rights movement changed the laws.
You see, all the laws that justified the oppression of Black people and the segregation of the schools and the segregation of public accommodations and all of those things.
The Civil Rights movement changed the law.
And so 25 years ago, the laws were changed.
And so 25 years later, do you see, people are talking about going back and changing the law.
I said that's because we don't understand that we have a total system construct that is not simply about laws, that is about white genetic survival.
And so the law, if it changes and it becomes more liberal in relationship to the oppression of Black people in a short period of time, it has to go back, do you see, to a conservative mode, if you will.
Do you see, because the underlying issue is there has to be white genetic survival by any necessary means.
- With so many of the Civil Rights organizations being controlled partly by whites, do you think it is possible that they will ever reach the perception that you're talking about?
- No.
Because that's exactly why they are controlled.
Do you follow what I'm saying?
That if this issue, if the underlying, most critical issue is white genetic survival, do you see, then let's say that a white person says, I'm really well intended.
I really want to help change things.
Now that's at a more surface level.
They're not even consciously aware of the issue of white genetic survival.
Do you see?
So I wanna help.
But then I only help up to a certain point because then another little voice will say to my unconscious, you know, subconscious mind, uh oh, you see, they're getting too far outta line, have to put a brake on it.
You see?
And at a subconscious level, oh, there's white genetic, you know, there might be white genetic annihilation.
Now I- (compelling music) (compelling music fades)
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