Now the 490 with Gretchen de Bakker might kill them.

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Welcome back to another episode of the 419.

This is Matt Killam.

I'm Gretchen de Becker.

And I'm Mary Brooker.

Kevin, you look terrific.

I love what you done with your hair.

Yeah, we do want to send out, a couple messages.

As most of you know, these are taped.

So it is a Monday just after the old Boston festival.

A overwhelming tragedy, has found, and I guess national headlines are found, our town here.

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The police, the fire department and all the people live in the old West End and all the people adjacent.

Certainly heavy hearts here again.

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It's about celebration.

But we think there's a lot to celebrate.

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And we'll find our way, again, as we do together.

So again, after we transition into this silly show.

You can probably tell based on your dial that there is not a professional at the helm today.

It is me, Matt Killam.

Kevin is on a well-deserved vacation, with his family, who is probably already wondering why they made these life decisions.

As are we.

Every morning.

But we have, pulled a name out of a hat.

And we only fill that hat with one name.

So in Marysville, you guys.

So our audience should know if they weren't an early, early adopter of our podcast, that you were our very first guest on our podcast.

Yes.

You were here the very first episode of this show, some a mere six months ago, almost six months ago, which really, isn't it crazy?

Yeah.

So we thought it only appropriate to have you as one of our guest hosts this week.

So thank you for coming in.

I'm the only one of your friends.

I'll wake up early, right?

Yeah.

I would say that.

Mary, for, audience who may or may not know you, first of all, congratulations to their life decisions.

But, who in God's name are you?

Oh, gosh.

Well, they haven't listened to the first and second episode to find.

Yeah.

Just a friend of of the show.

Certainly a fan.

And, you know, I own my own company, Matt.

Imagine 901.

I've been doing that for about eight years.

And, I think the best way to describe it is I provide experiences great experiences, and want to elevate events and culture and, friendship, the arts, the arts.

Yes.

I have my own theater company.

And just a lover of the city, I can tell you that.

Sure.

You are, born in cider.

Born cider?

Oh, five all the way.

You said that you're in theater.

If you had to pick one theatrical performance that embody the East Side, what would it be?

Oh, it's a reminder.

Oklahoma is not East.

It's.

It is that Lee is.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A lot of cards need to be picked up by.

No, no, no, it would be something spectacular.

Lion King.

Yes.

Would like that.

Sure.

Yes.

Because of all the feral cats.

Oh, because of the pride.

Yeah, I like it.

I do too, yeah.

Oh, because though.

Because the lions.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So the collective noun.

Yeah, yeah.

So would you ever want to be a permanent co-host of the show?

Because any other one of us could quit at any point.

Well, let's see how today goes, okay.

Yeah.

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Welcome back.

We have almost, our first five timer, Alyssa alert here.

You've sent your name from Clark for the fifth time.

Alyssa, you've become a, I would say a a novice food critic for us as well.

The first time you're on the show, we talked about, your hobby of cooking.

So I always like to put you on the spot.

It's been weeks since we've seen you.

What have you cooked?

That wasn't a total disaster or poison to your loved ones?

Well, recently I've been into, like, for the summertime, making, like, pasta.

Okay, so.

I did one recently that was, like, also in chicken and lots of good veggies and stuff in there.

Yeah, I had, if you've ever had that Ken's, Greek salad dressing, that is the best dressing.

We're not allowed to mention Ken's out loud.

Based on the litigation that.

Was sponsored by Jeff's Greek salad dressing.

It's very similar.

They have each other?

Yeah.

Well, both are wonderful.

So there was definitely some in the Jeff's.

Yeah.

Two Greek guys to to eyebrows.

Yeah.

You know how it goes.

Well, you are a wellness expert, so, that is a nod to wellness, both in dietary, components.

But having a hobby, of course, is real value.

But today, we have kind of an interesting, at least for me, how inclusion, has a place in the workforce.

Everyone has become familiar with the concept of inclusion.

I am going to ask you to sort of define that for us so we can be educated on this show.

Mary is from, the East side, so just talk as slowly as you can.

But but off here, we've got, this is interesting subject matter to me.

Yeah, yeah.

So talking about, inclusion within, the workplace and specifically within, like, wellness programing.

So really, that's all about, making, you know, your programing and the things that you're offering for your employees as, equitable as possible, making sure that things, are relevant for, everyone in your workforce and, offering that that space where everyone can feel, like they, they belong to something and there's something for everyone.

This is a concept that, feels relatively new.

Which is an embarrassing thing to say out loud.

I guess from a cultural perspective, this is something that should have been, sort of ingrained in us in a DNA level forever.

But can you talk to me a little about.

Is this, is this a new concept that just hits the workplace?

Are we getting hip to this, or is it always been there?

And now it's come to the forefront based on, sort of a more of an awakening, of culturally speaking.

Yeah, I would say, you know, not necessarily brand new, but, you know, it's something that to a lot of people, it's, you know, somewhat common sense.

You know, as churches you can include people the better.

But, you know, we're of course, always, see new things that can be done to make, that inclusion even better.

In the work.

Gretchen, you've always had a unique perspective on common sense.

You're not for it.

No, I mean, talk to me a bit about the platform that you stand on in terms of like, what's the what's the tagline?

Again, I've forgotten.

No sense.

No sense.

It is.

And that's spelled correctly either, which I think is a brave and bold.

Yeah.

You just take the n out of nonsense.

You say things.

Well, ironically, I started a corporate wellness program.

Bec.

You did?

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was just me and you guys.

It was a world class corporate wellness company at a fortune 500 company ten years ago.

Come on.

Well, it's our.

Yeah.

So?

So I love that you're you're doing that work.

It's not easy work to get people in the workplace to focus on their, their wellness.

So what is one of the things that now you go in and teach the companies how to, to start a wellness program.

Yeah.

So within our wellness department at work spring, we offer support services to help people with, building that wellness programing kind of from the bottom up.

And then just, you know, kind of consulting on what things might work the best for, for their population.

It's interesting to me that you mentioned something.

Actually, all three of you did that.

This should be common sense.

There's got to be a challenge to teaching things that people consider common sense, but are not truly living.

So what is the baseline when you walk in from day one?

Giving an inclusion, seminar or starting an inclusion conversation?

How do you know that you're starting at truly square one?

Well, sometimes if, people haven't had those opportunities before.

And, and kind of identifying, you know, a who hasn't been participating or engaging and kind of getting to that, that why of, you know, what are things that could bring people into engaging with their wellness.

But that's kind of the great, mean between or at least in my mind, between equality and equity.

Right.

So equality is you offer something that's available for everybody.

But for truly to be equitable, you have to reach into the groups or the populations or the subsets of your workforce population to to find out why someone may not be participating.

What are the cultural, language, education or whatever barriers that are stopping it and solve for that?

So is that I'm assuming that that's something that is being addressed in the workforce as well.

Yeah.

So there's reasons that people and other than just maybe being afraid of doctors, there's reasons that people are not participating potentially.

Yeah.

So doing what you can to address those.

Oftentimes you know there might be different ability levels that you're not aware of or different scheduling things that people have going on.

So doing your best to kind of accommodate those things for everybody.

And then, you know, not only are you then including the people who have those barriers, but you're making it easier for everybody to participate and engage.

So you have 700 clients work spring does across, the region in state.

What are the challenges of introducing programs like this to a large company, as opposed to a small company?

Because you run the gamut of services, right?

There has to be challenges to both, right?

Can you talk a little bit about the ease of some and challenges of some and vice versa?

Yeah, it kind of depends on there and it depends on, you know, what kind of company are you, what are your resources and services.

So you know oftentimes a bigger company, they may have more at their disposal to, implement things.

And then a smaller company might have to get a little bit more creative with, what you're doing.

But there's, you know, pros and cons to each.

You have a smaller group of people.

It's kind of easier to tell what people's needs are and things, versus a larger population.

You kind of have to, you know, figure, some more things out there and maybe, survey employees is a really great way.

Speaking of, sort of moving forward by eliminating how much better is the show without Kevin, your work.

You know, just to be generally more enjoyable.

How much is it looking this way?

What how much is it just looking in this direction?

Without that gargoyle holding over, I just want to find, I it is interesting.

Push and pull right in all, in all manners of therapy or being a doctor or a physician.

You had to have been put in this position before.

The goals that are set by the company are set to assume, in tandem with the heads of state, and to work spring.

What does the goal setting look like?

Meaning, if you're introducing a wellness campaign, who who decides what success looks like?

I mean, I think that's really up to, you know, what the goals are of, your company, but hopefully, part of your goals is to make sure that you're fostering, like I said, that that sense of belonging for all of your employees, so that everyone feels like they are heard, they're a priority.

And, like, their, their wellness truly matters to, their organization.

And it's easier to become wellness focused when you're doing it as a group.

Right?

So the culture changes and, Yeah, people work together better and have, a better sense of your, your workplace culture, when they're all able to engage together.

Any wins in this space in particular?

I mean, are there, is there an moment.

I know that we talked about this on almost indiscriminate of the specificity of what to come on for, but in terms of inclusion, wellness is important.

People feeling better about themselves.

Right.

And certainly the upside is being making the widgets better.

But in terms of inclusion, this is an important concept.

Do you have an moment or something in particular?

I'm sure several.

But if you had to pick one, you're like, this is great, this is working.

Or even a fact that the company that you've worked with, identifying this is a need has to be somewhat rewarding.

Yeah.

I'd say recently actually I've had a group that, they wanted to do sort of like a summer movement challenge and something we incorporated was really, making sure that the way that, that was laid out for folks, that everybody could participate in their own way.

So instead of it being just a steps challenge or, just a workout challenge, we tried to call it movement and make sure that people knew they could move.

However, works best for them.

And then also making it really flexible in terms of timing.

So, you know, if people, only have a few minutes, a couple times throughout the day, they could, accumulate their movement throughout the day, and that would count towards their participation.

I do have a win from the program.

You did?

Yeah.

Well, ter.

I, I do, I, I was awarded one of the top prizes in the, health, the, National Heart Association.

And we decreased our insurance claims.

So I know that there's for a for the companies, you know, it's financial state, their financial state.

But then that.

Doesn't cheapen the win.

It does not cheap in the wind.

But but I think to your point, you know, the the engagement part and the inclusion part always is the biggest win because you really start seeing people, hanging out together that, you know, and walking together that maybe have never spoke together.

So when you increase those programs, really the culture of the organization, both physically, mentally and emotionally changed.

So it's a it's a great.

Elissa, I keep my wellness, schedule set to the Olympic cycle every four years.

I think about this is.

That it's only downhill.

Skiing.

Yeah.

Downhill.

Something.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What if you had a magic wand, right?

And you, had to build, a wellness, campaign.

And you could only start with one thing.

Out of curiosity, what is what is square one was the first thing that people need to sort of be aware of or start to make for a healthy, functional company.

Well, I think, I can sell addressing your word, the segments brought to you by Ken's salad dressing.

I mean, I think the, the first step I would start with, like I mentioned, is, surveying your folks and seeing what people are looking for, and trying to identify those needs and identify what some barriers might be for folks.

And then, taking a look at, you know, what you're already doing?

What's working?

Yeah.

What people, you know, aren't as engaged with and how you can adjust from there.

This is a fascinating conceptually to me because, knowing where the barriers start is a challenge.

So even if even as you've articulated, starting pulling to get data, everyone knows that that is sort of ground zero or should be, but I as someone who's dyslexic, I would have I could have a potential barrier.

Now, I'm not necessarily severely dyslexic.

I can read, but it's a challenge.

But people not knowing how to use, modern AV, right?

Or don't have access to, scheduling.

I know, Gretchen, you've, and Mary both have served our region in many ways, and you do a lot of pulling because you want to work on behalf of the people.

But not everyone has internet access, right?

People have vision concerns.

Right.

Or challenges.

So, the beginning or starting or an understanding of what real access is, we are starting to find out more and more that the goalpost is moving back or should be.

So I congratulate you on that.

It is not an easy gig.

It is the right gig.

But, it doesn't make the work, and without courage.

I am curious, as we always ask here.

Has this made you walk through life differently?

On a personal note.

Do you walk in to, Panera, which is now become completely run by robots?

As one most unpleasant experiences I've ever had.

We're not touched by.

That and will be.

But, I. Mean, those are Jeff's, right?

Yeah, they're a pro, Jeff.

Let me say that, Jeff.

He's he's that kind of animal, so I don't mind saying that.

Well, you're very brave.

Yeah.

Alyssa, you change your name from clerk to large, saying clearly on the run.

Yeah, but I am curious.

Has this opened your eyes a bit as you walk through, life talking to your folks, or family at Thanksgiving or, like, you know.

Oh, yeah.

I feel like once you start, you know, kind of going down the rabbit hole, you start to notice all the different things that could be better.

Yeah.

And it kind of reminds me of, like the concept of, like, universal design, how that can, you know, in accessibility, it makes things better for everyone.

Sure.

So when you open those things up and make it easier for people who are differently abled, you make it easier for for everyone.

Sure.

Yeah.

How do you keep up on the important.

I mean, language is important.

Words are important.

And as we evolve theoretically, we're evolving the vernacular for which, we frame all the things we talked about today.

How frequently is work spring.

Meaning that part of the data.

I mean, we are finding out how to describe things in a new way.

We're talking about ways to make sure people that want to identify in a way, and they should be honored and identified in that fashion.

Well, that's.

Just your woke.

Culture.

That's right.

But that's what that's what the Kinsale dressing is like.

No, but seriously, you know that it can be, a little bit challenging for some.

It can be an eye roll for others, but it is important.

How do you stay on top of this?

Is there is there a source that works Bing relies on or several in terms of finding accurate information and proper definitions?

In language of things.

I mean, I don't know an exact source that you go through, but I would say, like you said, it is, you know, kind of always evolving.

And it's not about, getting those things perfect all the time, just about, you know, sort of sort of doing your best and doing your due diligence to, try to stay up on these things and be as inclusive and, helpful to, to everyone that you can.

So I can't think of an exact source that we necessarily.

That's okay.

But, you know, just just kind of always trying to look at it.

I'll tell you another challenge.

Witness to it.

Yeah.

Mary and Alyssa, a question for both of you, because Gretchen will be unfamiliar with this.

Successes.

How it is important to celebrate that growth cannot, celebrating successes is important, right?

Mary.

And, of course, Alison, we talked about the fact that there was financial gain for, a lot of these programs that necessarily isn't the driver, but if it is, then who cares as long as we get to the positive.

But when we think about the fact that we are a culture based on the immediacy and the bottom line is certainly something to celebrate, but people are uncomfortable celebrating things that are should be the obvious, right?

Like inclusion.

You know, celebrate the fact that we are treating each other better.

That could seem trite or contrived or overdone.

But it is important to celebrate these successes.

What should that look like?

Or what has it look like in both of your experiences?

Well, for me, I can tell you, I just watched, on on social media.

One of the great.

Resource for kind.

Of one of the ladies who, we did a couch to five K at, Wild Tower ten years ago, and a woman started and couldn't even walk.

I mean, she did it.

You know, and and she was determined to do this.

And I remember watching, a year later, her first five K, and we all stood around and were balling.

I bet.

And she's still running five K's today.

She hasn't.

Finished?

No.

She.

Not the same five K. But but that to me is success.

And, I, I love just even those personal nuggets.

It doesn't have to be here.

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We had a great start to this show.

We are without Kevin, which is the great start that I was talking about.

But we have a doctor on Doctor Helen.

You are by far, the most sophisticated person we've had on the show by far.

So, that's not a high bar.

Now, our teaching side.

We're thrilled to have you on.

Thank you for making the time for us.

You've got some news and some things to talk about before we get to that.

You talk a little bit about you and how you got here and what, what we're here to talk about.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Thank you for having me.

It's great to be here.

I'm from Toledo, Ohio.

So Toledo is home to me, and I'm very happy to be back here.

I grew up here.

Where you grow up.

Right in this neighborhood.

Okay.

We can't identify where we're located because of all the paparazzi and facts.

So just leave it at that.

Just like this.

I've lived in several locations off the Anthony Wayne Trail.

Okay.

When I drive on the trail.

Yeah, I see all these places where I've.

Lived in places.

Where.

Yeah, I've ridden my bike as a child.

Sure.

You know, riding here, right in there.

And, doctor, if you had to rent your driving on a scale of 1 to 10, where are you at on that?

My driving?

Yes, ma'am.

It is a 9.5.

Oh, yeah.

I compare myself to my husband.

Okay.

And I love to always do a comparison.

And we'd like to hear it, if you don't mind.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, he's he's about that high, is it?

That picture came to mind.

Yeah.

But, you know, for him, it's a race.

Yeah.

It's competition.

Sure.

Being the only one on the road.

No one in front of you.

Yeah.

You know, that's the goal.

Yeah.

And, I think that's a bumper cars as.

I. Think I'm at full candor, I apologize.

We always run into a challenge here when we like the people right away.

And we're unfamiliar with having somebody who has a, smart.

So, please help us out here.

You are a Toledo, and, you have decided to make this your home.

That's kind of what this show is about.

So we're proud to have that and said out loud.

But you've moved around a bit.

You went to school and came back, or as administrator.

Went to school and came back.

Okay.

I went to Ohio State for medical school.

I did my residency in Florida.

I did my fellowship in California, so I've done Florida and California.

Yeah.

Okay, so I don't have their dream.

That's right.

Now you've done both you've both Disney experience.

Yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Now I say I've done those and now I can live in Toledo and be happy living here.

And you're a surgical oncologist for the Mercy Health System.

What?

Just for again for for me.

I'm going to pretend it's for our audience.

But what's the difference between surgical oncologist?

Just in oncologist are all oncologists surgical.

What's the what's one thing I specialize in?

Surgery of the breast okay okay.

So breast cancer that's my thing.

Okay.

And, you know, there are medical oncologist who give people chemotherapy and treat the whole body and do scans, whereas I do, operations on the breast, lymph node area under the armpit and the chest region.

I'm always curious, whether the specificities, find the people or the people find them.

How did you find this track?

This is, these are my words.

This is a bit of a calling, I would imagine.

Or at least something that you believe in.

You've dedicated your career to it.

You look like a very young person.

So it's really not over.

I just I just read what you wrote here to say, but in all sincerity, this is an important thing.

Of all the guests at this table, it could affect all of us.

Despite common knowledge.

But why?

Why did you find this?

Or why di find you?

Well, I was a medical student, and I didn't truly expect to go into surgery.

But when I saw it, I just fell in love with it.

And, I thought I could do it better than that person.

Sure.

Like the driving?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Why did he surprise me, doctor?

Well, these.

Are people in training.

Right?

Yeah, but they're not harmonious.

Guys, let's focus here.

This is show.

There's a doctor in the house.

Mary.

Yeah.

She's not familiar.

She's from the East Side.

But was there an moment here that you're like, this is me.

This is the past?

Yes.

I thought if I had breast cancer, how would I want to be treated?

And that's my focus.

I try to do every operation as if, you know, this were me as the patient, how would I want this done?

And so, as a woman, I think it's easier to relate to, you know, other women, we could all be facing breast cancer at any time in our lives.

It comes out of nowhere.

You know, you don't have to have a family history.

That's right.

And you never know when it could strike.

And we do see it coming, at a younger age, you know, and with people who are under 40 who have no recommendation for a screening, mammogram or screening of any kind, they are facing that alone and they don't really know what to look for and they don't really know, you know, when is something that needs attention.

I'm sorry about what the current change it it seems like it changes so much.

Yes.

I mean, I'm old, so I'm in the screening range no matter what, but yeah.

What what is the what is the current information on breast cancer screenings for women?

The current information is to start screening at age 40.

Okay.

That's my recommended yearly.

Yes, I would recommend yearly mammography.

Yes.

Okay.

Yes.

But more important than even I mean a mammogram will find things before it can be found.

But it's so important to be aware that changes can happen to the breast that may be missed on mammogram.

That you could see with your own eyes a change in the contour of the breast, the change in the shape or the way that the nipples are pointing, you know, is we look in the mirror and raise our arms.

Sure there is evenness.

That's what we want to see.

But if one side starts to dentin or it takes on a thickening, right, or a different texture or changes in the skin, these are things that require immediate attention.

So what's the I'm sorry, what's the, what are the percentages?

Again?

Just to get sort of in the, technical aspect of this just for a moment, but what is the what are the percentages of people that are having to get surgery that, that elect or should, based on recommendation, have, lumpectomy or have parts of their breasts remove the breast tissue road?

Well, I would say in general we can see about 1 in 8 women face, breast cancer in her life.

That's incredible.

I know, it's so.

I mean, I didn't know what that number was, but that is.

That.

And then it's over 2000 men per year in this country face in breast cancer.

And, you know, often they don't even know what to look for, have it on their awareness.

Right.

And it's over 300,000 women in this country face on breast cancer every year.

So most of them will require some type of an operation, especially if it's found early.

You know, if tragically, it's found too late.

Sometimes there's not much that can be done.

Certainly.

Surgically, but usually we can improve every situation.

And do you recommend or is it part of your practice to recommend?

Again, I don't know what like the current information is, but for people to get tested for the gene.

Oh yes, yes, yes.

If a person is diagnosed with breast cancer at a young age, or if there is a family history of breast cancer, or if there's just very few female relatives, you know that person.

At a higher.

Well, if you have very few female relatives, you might.

No not.

No.

Yeah.

It's great for other.

I didn't think.

Of their family would have been affected by breast cancer.

That is an interesting kind of.

Sometimes what we'll see is a gene come through the father's side.

And he doesn't always, stay in touch with other female relatives on his.

Because if this is going to be a male bashing show.

Which obviously he's not.

Right.

Yeah.

So you're saying they're finding it in younger girls now where?

And, like, how do you detect that if you're not getting mammograms until you're 40?

I said each young lady has to face it on her own.

Right.

I would say noticing changes in your breasts.

If I. Was.

The thing.

You know, we always we were taught self-exam.

And, you know, it still is a young girl.

It's awkward.

Self-Exam is a is a challenge because there have been randomized controlled studies on self-exam where they check people who were unfamiliar with it.

They had to go to Russia and China, and they taught people how to do self-exam.

And they had two comparison groups.

And in both of these studies, they found that Self-Exam did not help find breast cancer early.

So tragically, that has caused, you know, people to say, well, it doesn't really help, right?

By ignoring.

That's right.

That is.

I think.

Putting one's self in peril.

Not sure we have, but before we moved on another track here we are also guilty of.

Well, you aside, of course, who knows what you're talking about.

But we're all guilty of self diagnosing or ignoring, right?

There is a pattern here in almost indiscriminate of the clinician or even the wellness person we bring on.

There's a maintenance portion that you owe yourself, right?

You're not a physician.

And you end up tossing off things.

Oh, I can deal with this.

Or a slow pain or a slight turn of events that you're no longer symmetrical or, like me, was always like that.

So the key here, almost indiscriminate of what we're talking about is see checkup regularly.

If there was if someone was totally unfamiliar with this and on their own.

Right.

We mentioned not having much of a family background.

The process itself might be intimidating.

You're going to be examined by someone who not met in a building that looks foreign to you.

Where where can you go?

What is a good place to go online?

Or how can you start at Ground Zero to be checked out?

Well, at ground Zero, you can see your primary care doctor and go in and just describe your concerns.

And that person will either order some imaging or do an exam.

And then from there, if the concerns reach a certain threshold, there would be a referral to a breast specialist and I would be very happy to see that person.

I joined, Mercy Health and I'm practicing in Perrysburg.

Okay.

And it is very nice.

How fast can you or how fast can your husband get to period?

Well.

I'm just kidding.

But that's that's a. Little bit about the writ large.

What about mercy health?

Breast health?

Mercy health breast health program?

Well, there are a number of, screening locations where mammogram and ultrasound and other diagnostic images can be done.

And then once the imaging is done, we review those results and examine the person in person.

And then we go from there.

And so, taking care of the breast is a part of overall health and wellness.

And we do recommend you know, overall health.

Yes, ma'am.

Getting vigorous exercise and eating, whole food based diet where there's avoidance of ultra processed foods.

Yeah.

Do you think that some of the and I know I see some of the increase of younger.

I think so yeah.

But you never can tell because there's a lot of, hormonally active substances in our environment in the United States.

Cosmetics, you know, lotions.

I'm hormonally active.

Yeah, that's a different.

Oh, I'm curious.

PBS.

Oh, yeah.

That's a there's FTC regulation.

Yes.

Yeah.

It's not a data.

Center for women.

And the other end of the spectrum, there's never a time that women are out of the woods when it comes to breast.

Breast cancer risk increases as we get older.

And it is rare among younger people.

But it still does happen.

But as a lady gets older, if she's in good health, then we recommend continuing mammograms.

If her health is good enough and she would want to know if she has a cancer and she could have a small operation to remove the cancer if it were found, then she should have a screening mammogram.

You know, 85 years old looks different on different people.

Some people, you know, in a memory care facility.

And that's one thing some people are, running marathons.

Yeah.

You know, our president.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Is there is there are there plans to open sort of a one stop shop?

Oh, yes.

Yeah.

The Saint Luke's campus area, breast Care and Women's Health Center is being built.

That's so cool.

Yeah, we're very excited about it.

So it.

Would be.

It'd be screening.

It'd be seeing a doctor.

It would be aftercare surgical center two.

Well, there's.

I'm not 100%.

Where the operations will take place.

Right now, I'm doing surgery.

The layout of the building here.

We're going to have to ask you to leave.

But.

I'm doing the hospital.

And that has been one night that.

Yes.

It's important.

That's amazing.

It's so nice and convenient.

Right?

That's right.

Because it's all uncomfortable.

Looks like.

I'm asking.

That sincerely.

Is something.

Yeah, it really is.

And and for somebody who has dense breast tissue it's always a process.

Yeah.

And then you have to go here and there and and.

It's always nerve wracking.

It is always.

It's a mental burden.

Yeah.

Because you never know what you're going to find.

Right.

So people do, you know, tend to put it off.

Yes.

Whatever is going on is going on whether you put it off or not.

It's better to find it early.

Right?

We're going to have an awkward transition into our.

Transition.

And okay, got to maybe so we're going to have to roll through this fairly quickly based on the fact how to run our show.

So thank you for your patience.

For rapid fire questions.

We've got, your favorite thing about Toledo in one word.

One word I want would describe Toledo and nine of your favorite things.

And Mary is going to help you through it.

All right, first question.

If you had to swap live with someone for a week, who would it be and why would it be me?

Swap.

Liz.

Yeah, I don't want to do that.

That's an that's a. That's a good answer.

Okay.

How self-absorbed.

I want to.

Go.

What do you do when you want to relax?

I go for a walk in the metro park.

Yeah.

I love the trails of the metro parks.

Yes.

Good.

Thank you for coming on.

Everyone didn't know that we were brother and sister.

What is your favorite cake?

Carrot cake.

The cheese.

Frost.

Absolutely no reason.

So good guys, we don't have time for.

We'll have time for the cooking portion of the show.

What hobby would you love to start making?

Carrot cake.

And flowers.

Oh, I'm going to be learning that I love it.

Okay, I can't wait.

Okay.

What is the one word you would use to describe the city of Toledo or the region home?

Okay.

You're good.

Okay, so now we have Mary is going to help you.

She's a guest host, so she might not know how this works, but basically, you just run down a list of nine things that you are, you consider to be your favorite things about the city of Toledo.

It could be restaurants, places you like to go or anything like that.

So number one is driving on the trail and thinking about how the roads used to be.

Okay, okay, how fun.

Oh you okay?

That's okay I don't know.

Oh yea Having problems and talking about farmers for pavement riding history.

Yeah.

Okay.

Are you sure your husband just tried to do something serious?

Why should I keep going here?

We're going to.

Read the potholes.

As well as I. Us.

All right.

Second thing.

Okay.

And then the interior of Suburbia rescue.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Isn't that.

Gorgeous?

Mechanical?

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Could use some.

Of the best duck fat.

Okay, guys.

Okay.

Levis Commons shopping.

Walking around a third of the way here.

Oh.

Keep going.

Plugging away.

My mom.

Yeah.

My mom is a person who knows.

How to see the good in.

Everything.

We're closing with that.

Yeah, I. Know we can use a little.

I take my my my mom.

Yeah.

For sure.

Thank you very much.

Thank you so much.

Thanks for closing up our show.

Yeah.

Thanks for holding the.

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Welcome back to the final segment of 419.

Mary, at the risk of putting you on the spot.

How's it going so far?

Well, it's the ups.

It's it's hard to sort of jump into this fray, would you say?

Yes, it is hard.

Well, it's hard to wake up that early.

Yes.

A b it's noon.

Mary.

No.

I think you guys make this very easy.

Yeah, but it's, you're sitting in, a big chair.

A big boy.

Did you feel any pressure?

Did you feel any pressure to take that seat?

Well, that's where we put the talent.

Yeah.

Yeah, and I feel like I suit it well.

Yeah, absolutely.

You?

No, I'm not nearly as funny or is adorable, but I feel like I'm doing.

Oh, gosh, I sit there.

I know right now, I know, but I think you're rocking Kevin C better than here.

Kevin.

I know it sounds better.

It looks better.

It is better.

There is no just.

Doing the exact same thing I. Own.

Which I bring.

Is that you are the balance.

Yeah, that's a lovely balance.

I will tell you.

And, And not to make you feel uncomfortable.

Gretchen, and this is not any shot at Kevin who does bind the show with a level of professionalism, but it is our best shows when Gretchen is engaged, and when she feels.

Comfortable, nice and.

Snug.

And when you come in sober.

Anyway, I'm really surprised you.

She's face down.

Yeah.

In all the Sesame Street plushies out there.

But, Mary, we've got you on, not just as a fill in.

Guest is, Kevin is in vacation.

And by vacation, I mean an inpatient 30 day facility in Arizona.

But you are.

He's resting.

That's right.

He's getting it back together.

Yeah.

But you are in charge of an overwhelming amount, certainly this summer.

But every summer, of activities.

And by activities, I mean managing the moments that we all.

Or all of our lives.

And that's all for you.

That's not.

Always easy.

We've got Watershed Weekend coming up.

It is not a festival.

It isn't a party.

It is both of those things, but on a little bit deeper level.

And that those two things don't have an intrinsic value because festivals and parties do.

Right?

And will always but there's some meaning behind this and something to celebrate.

Can you walk us through not just activities and the 40 functions associated with it?

But a little bit of the story behind it.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, I've just entered into the watershed, moment, but I've been invested in the waterfront in the river my whole life.

You know, like, that has always been, a place that I feel was underutilized.

It was, where I got married.

Got married at international.

De la.

No.

Yeah, yeah.

So my connection to the water, which time, oh.

We've been married.

Oh.

One time.

Yes.

My next marriage will be.

And that's what we're building.

Okay.

Yeah.

The house, all the killer marriages.

Yeah.

But, no, the love for the waterfront has always been there.

So, you know, as as the Metroparks talks about it, the connection, I have felt during this whole process.

So being a part of some of the activations is, is not just wonderful for the community.

It's really personal.

To me.

So, I think it's, you know, the next four days, five days that we're going to share is just literally the beginning of what people should, should mind fully, understand what this represents.

The connectivity to me is the key thing.

And, and the fact that the Metroparks are just over 50% finished with this project and the, the the cultural economic.

Yeah.

Just enjoyable impact it's already had on the community is definitely a reason to celebrate.

So tonight there's a big donor thing.

But then tomorrow night, Thursday night is the, party, the art loop with the Arts Commission.

They're going to have their they've moved their event.

So many of our partner arts organizations in the community have moved their events or joined forces with the Metroparks to participate, and I. Love that idea.

You know, I put my Metroparks, hat down.

A lot of this is just celebrating stuff that has already been happening already.

Yeah, but people don't know about it.

It's amazing to me.

I'm still having conversations today on what is the Riverwalk, what is the watershed?

And it's it is in our backyard.

It's it's and so I don't look at this weekend truly as, I mean, it is a celebration.

It is this, elevated experiences everywhere, but it should be really in education of what opportunities we have along our riverfront.

What makes, for a good event?

Well, I, I like to elevate the five senses.

So I mean, when I put out an event, the.

Kitchen is seven and six to the.

Sixth sense.

I six it.

And then my joke is better.

Yeah.

It was I know okay, but I'm still trying in this chair.

Yeah.

But, you know, I think you have to hear it, feel it, see it, smell it.

And there's another one there.

Touch it.

Yeah.

Let's get the doctor back.

Yeah, yeah.

And I think that if you can figure out a way to combine all of those elements, that is what truly elevates, an event.

One thing I think is always interesting, and we've certainly been all of us around this table.

It's similar to, like, a, a marketing plan, or other things.

You have the plan at first, and then it changes almost immediately, usually for the better.

Yes.

Can you talk a little bit about, but I think what makes for a good event or good communications plan or good anything is one of the centers that is listening.

Right?

You do disagree.

What did you say?

Why is he talking?

Yeah.

Yeah, but it's fun to have this, like, the view part to that, but to.

I mean, my ears too.

But you know that that is important, right?

Oh, my gosh, there has to be a little bit of an ego down to facilitate.

It's your job to keep things on the rails conceptually, right?

You do take in ideas, make people feel heard, and then and then.

Still do what.

You want to talk to you about the art of that.

Though.

No, I think you're exactly right.

You know, I mean, we're creatives to begin with.

So I think that we can come up with this, this big, beautiful plan.

But until other people are involved and, and put their creative spin on it, it just it just stays in one space.

That's right.

So I feel like, our gift is, we have the idea we want to, you know, elevate it.

But you do need those other, creatives to come in and start telling you how things can get better.

It it is truly a cultural thing.

At Metroparks, the institution, in my experience, about hosting, about welcoming.

Yeah, right.

Like, take it down to the trails and the park doesn't have to be a party.

Those trails are ready for you to walk on every single day.

That's right.

Someone there for safety.

There's they're maintaining them.

They're safe.

They're beautiful.

They're, you know, they're always available and in good shape.

But that's hosting someone to come there and take them off right all the way up to all of the events that are going to be there this weekend.

They're going to be safe.

They're going to be fun.

They're going to be the top notch.

Yeah, all the people that are Metroparks.

And that does not tell me to say this, but all the people at the Metroparks, the staff and the team and the volunteers and your team, they're going to be down there.

They're going to be ready to go.

They're going to know what it is they're talking about.

They're going to be engaged with the residents of Toledo that come down there.

Right.

And that's part of the whole I think the, the maybe UN communicated or UN talked about part of the Metroparks brand.

Yeah.

I will tell you.

Hosting and welcoming.

I'm grateful for that.

Thank you, both of you.

But I will tell you that, and I can speak from on behalf of my colleagues.

Certainly it is green space that does that.

You know, we have well manicured, 13,000 acres.

Don't get me wrong.

We have great people.

And to your point, every one of them cares about your experience.

But green space, well-maintained green space or public space wants to be your.

Host, right?

Right.

It wants you to come open its doors and experience in the way that you want, right?

Not without causing damage to it.

Right?

But that's a different show.

But the green space wants you to feel included.

It, by definition, is for everyone.

But Mary, I've got a question for you.

You've done.

Take watershed.

Decide.

At the risk of putting a little bit on the spot, you've done a million things in your career, right?

At least that's what you tell us all the time.

But there's theater.

There's a fence.

There, I think to some degree, you are, a bit of a corporate coach.

On an individual level, people seek you out, for your thoughts because you are sort of the right person.

But do give people advice on how to do things practically.

You are a welcoming person despite the fact that everyone is trying to stay gainfully employed.

But is there a theatrical moment?

Is there a professional moment?

Is there something you built that you're particularly proud of that is your favorite?

I know there's many, but if you had to put, stamp on one or put one in a shadow box, for everyone to view as an embodiment of of something you've done, what would it be?

You know, I think, well, first of all, my my greatest accomplishments are, my theater.

You know, it's a small theater that many sons.

We don't want you to think.

You know, they're not my greatest.

Gosh, we're still working on their account, but they have work to do.

Okay?

The theater is, you know, my lifeblood.

But if I would say something that I was incredibly proud of professionally, it would have to be the Solheim Cup.

Oh, yeah.

Sure.

I think that, that's how we met.

That's.

Which is why.

Which is why that is.

No, but that is, there's so many things that were involved in that.

The the first step was, people in this community didn't think that we could do it.

And they didn't think that if we, thought big that we'd be able to pull it off.

And I think that that was this moment where then everybody, all, all sectors, private, public, personal sectors came together and made this, this incredible event, happen.

And we planned almost you all planned it almost entirely on zoom during a pandemic.

That's right.

So there were all these, factors that would say that it would fail.

And I think that that was one of the beautiful things that everybody, every partner came together to make sure that our city shined and people were safe and happy and and to show that we could do those kind of large events here successfully.

And, that was kind of the launch of many wonderful things and incredible relationships.

Rundowns super quick.

I just want to rundown we've talked about it with to our audience before, but just highlights of sort of the events this weekend for Watershed Weekend.

It's this coming weekend.

Yes, starting Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday down at the riverfront on the Glass City Riverwalk, presented by Metroparks Toledo.

Thursday night is the art loop with the arts.

It starts.

Thursday day.

Oh, Thursday.

Day.

Yep.

We've got the, rise and rally.

So that's really the first invitation and the, press conference to say, you know, come on down.

Then Thursday night is the, art loop, which is over at International C If you.

Haven't been there, region art installation is, absolutely will.

Blow your mind is like watching it from the other side to at every angle is is is spectacular and emotional like it represents such amazing things, in this community.

And then Friday, we're partnering with, party in the Park and we're going to have, music all around.

Saturday is the, Metropark signature event, where we're closing down the bridge.

There's going to be tons of activities on both sides of the bank.

And and of course, the connector on the bridge.

And then Sunday we're, going to sleep.

No, we're going to, walk, the the five k around the the bridge.

It's going to be very exciting.

I hope people, come out.

It's really not gonna be something to miss.

And the weather this weekend typically on wood, is supposed to be great, nice and warm and going to be great.

Any of our trees?

Okay, Matt, I think it's time for Mary's.

Mary's wacky quiz.

Wacky.

Oh my gosh, I thought I, I thought I'm a speaker not assume you want to hear me.

Okay.

30s of soft, clear voices ready to make for listener Mary, what gift would you most like to receive?

And remember, we have FCC.

Oh, I would like to receive, a oh my gosh, that's a hard one.

Okay, we can skip it.

Yeah, yeah, $1 million.

No, I, an island.

Okay, okay, I like it.

Where do you go when you want to be alone, other than your island that you've just purchased?

Yes.

I go to my garden.

Okay.

I've seen it.

That surprises me.

What was the first phone you ever had?

I love it, the first white phone.

You remember a phone?

Oh, my device.

I had a I had a pager first and then a. Phone in your home.

In your bedroom?

Did you have.

A piano, a piano phone?

Oh, it was a piano phone, I love that.

Yeah, yeah.

All right.

What song have you listened to the most in the last week?

Oh, Unstoppable.

By.

Who's it?

I'm unstoppable.

Now.

It's unidentifiable.

Oh.

Good lord, who.

Sings the one when it's the one?

Like, I just wish you would stop it.

Yeah.

What's the one word you would use to describe the city of Toledo or the region?

And the.

Renaissance.

Okay, perfect.

Now, I'm going to ask you the nine things.

Your nine favorite things about the city of Toledo.

As I sing unstoppable.

Oh, God.

Yeah.

Please do.

Gosh, I would say, of course, the Metro got it.

The art museum.

I love the theater in this area.

Is is incredible.

Maybe.

What's the best place to see a theatrical performance, in your opinion?

Gosh, I think I love the smaller theaters.

Sure.

Around here.

And I would feel remiss to.

I mean.

I'm okay with this.

From Oregon, and I think the Oregon Community Theater puts on any show.

Mary Rucker, thank you for filling in.

We are going to end this segment before you start seeing again, I think we've got to close out the show.

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Welcome back to the close.

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We are closing out the show here.

Pretty exciting.

Guess poor, Alyssa has been back.

Next time she gets her robe, she got made of felt.

Thank you for making those, Gretchen.

I'm making.

It.

Mary is on her way to getting her robe as well, so.

You have to have been on the show five times already.

Well, it feels like a two at the beginning.

Three?

This is my fourth.

Yeah, one.

Oh, wait.

The second.

The first one technically doesn't count.

I think it does.

Okay.

This time Kevin talking.

Here, I gotta work.

I saw I wrote, I was very pleased and excited to meet doctor, Helen Mabry for mercy.

Help!

Oh, yeah.

She's a charmer.

And I think that she just.

Her kindness just sort of exudes.

Yeah.

I again, I physicians sometimes even the best ones are.

Surgeons especially.

Like on the charm right there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Really obviously a good driver.

Yeah.

And yeah, of course, the two of you would think so.

But I think that if you had to go in for something that was uncomfortable or you had to make a connection with someone you trust annually, that individual body that.

And I thank you both for asking real questions.

Right.

The show does tend, Arlene, to, things that are a little bit silly.

Although we talk about things on the street are very prideful.

That that doctor is certainly one of the things we would add to our list.

Yeah.

She was great.

So.

We've got about a minute closing out here.

We do not have Kevin for the entire week, but I do want to thank you again, Mary, for coming on, pinch hitting for us.

And.

Like, this weekend.

Thank you.

Yeah, he'll be great.

As for the show, for those of you that have just tuned in for the very first time, I'm going to read Kevin's notes here.

Matt, in your life.

Oh, I'm sorry.

That was to yourself.

Is that so?

That's right.

In from Gretchen.

Oh.

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