I'm currently right now, I sit on the board of directors for the American Association for State Colleges and Universities, AASCU.

And so I'm part of the national conversation right now about the role of universities, the value of universities, the proposition of universities and what that is.

And it is intangible.

Yes, you have a four-year degree, but it also allows you to learn.

It makes you think about things outside that you would have never thought of.

So you might wanna be a nurse, but you're also very maybe interested in another area.

You're in business, but you're also interested in theater.

It rounds that person out.

So when they go into the community, and that part of this is not just the individual, but what they do in their communities and in their workplaces, that is so important.

So we really do, I think the four-year degree, and again, I'm a community college graduate.

I recognize the importance of community colleges, but I also went on.

And so that's part of that transfer program that we have that we work really hard for, because I think a four-year degree is really what is important for communities and for individuals and their families as we move forward.

And that is the value proposition that we are offering in higher education now.