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>> CATHY: COMING UP ON "ALMANAC" TONIGHT, AN UPDATE ON THE BIG MAYOR'S RACE IN DULUTH, THE MINNESOTA VIKINGS MOVE AHEAD WITHOUT THEIR STAR QUARTERBACK FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON, A COALITION GATHERS $1 BILLION TO TACKLE WEALTH INEQUITIES, AND MARY LAHAMMER WAS IN COURT THIS WEEK.

>> Mary: THE STATE SUPREME COURT HEARS ARGUMENTS FOR AND AGAINST KEEPING FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP OFF THE BALLOT IN MINNESOTA UNDER THE INSURRECTIONIST CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION.

>> THIS IS A CASE OF EXTRAORDINARY IMPORTANCE.

>> THERE IS NO MORE POLITICAL QUESTION THAN WHO SHOULD BE PRESIDENT.

>> Mary: THAT'S COMING UP ON "ALMANAC."

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>> CATHY: IN THE NEXT HOUR WE'LL CHECK IN WITH THE MPR NEWS REPORTER COVERING THE MAYOR'S RACE IN DULUTH, LARRY FITZGERALD IS HERE TO ASSESS THE VIKINGS CHANCES WITHOUT INJURED STAR QB KIRK COUSINS, AND TANE DANGER HAS BROUGHT A FRIEND ALONG WITH HIM TONIGHT.

>> ERIC: WE START TONIGHT WITH YESTERDAY'S STATE APPEALS COURT RULING ON THE NEW MINNESOTA LAW THAT RESTORED VOTING RIGHTS TO SOME FELONS.

THE DECISION SAID THAT IT WAS NOT LEGAL FOR A MILLE LACS COUNTY JUDGE TO TELL DEFENDANTS THEY COULD NOT VOTE AND THE JUDGE COULD NOT DECLARE THE NEW LAW UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

THE LAW IN QUESTION RESTORED VOTING RIGHTS TO MORE THAN 50,000 MINNESOTANS.

HERE WITH MORE, DFL STATE SENATOR BOBBY JOE CHAMPION, PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE AND CHIEF AUTHOR OF THE "RESTORE THE VOTE" BILL THAT BECAME LAW EARLIER THIS YEAR.

Mr. PRESIDENT, THIS IS FOR FOLKS THAT HAVE HAD A FELONY, FINISHED THEIR JAIL, PRISON SENTENCE, BUT STILL MAY BE ON PAROLE OR PROBATION?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> Eric: HOW -- ARE PEOPLE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF IT?

>> I BELIEVE SO.

AND PEOPLE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LEARNED IS THAT THE 55,000 PEOPLE WHOSE LIVES WOULD BE IMPACTED OR HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY THE INABILITY TO VOTE AND NOW THEY WILL BE ABLE TO VOTE IS ALL ACROSS MINNESOTA.

MOST PEOPLE THINK IT'S AN URBAN ISSUE, BUT IT'S NOT.

ONLY 36% OF THAT 55,000 IS FROM HENNEPIN AND RAMSEY COUNTY.

WHERE 64% IS OUTSTATE AND IN THE SUBURBS.

SO, THEY ARE EXCITED ABOUT IT.

IT'S OUR FRIENDS, NEIGHBORS, FAMILY MEMBERS, WHO NOW WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE.

AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT VOTING.

IT'S RESTORING THEIR DIGNITY, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO NEVER WENT TO PRISON, BECAUSE IN MINNESOTA, WE HAVE WHAT THEY CALL LONG PROBATIONARY PERIODS WHERE ONE PERSON TESTIFIED THAT JUDGE GAVE HER 40 YEARS ON PROBATION.

SO SHE WOULD BE 71 YEARS OLD BEFORE SHE WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO HAPPEN.

AND, SO, THAT'S WHY RESTORE THE VOTE IS SOMETHING THAT A CROSS-SECTION OF PEOPLE CAME TOGETHER, COALITIONS, TO SAY, THIS WILL RESTORE ONE'S DIGNITY AND WE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE BECAUSE OUR VOICE SHOULD BE HEARD.

>> Cathy: I'M SURE YOU WERE THINKING THERE WERE GOING TO BE CHALLENGES TO THIS LAW, RIGHT?

BUT I'M WONDERING, DID YOU SEE IT COMING ROM A MILLE LACS JUDGE WHO CALLED THE LAW INTO QUESTION?

>> LET ME JUST SAY, LET ME GRAB MY CRYSTAL BALL, NO, I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS GOING TO COME FROM A MILLE LACS JUDGE.

BUT I REALIZED THAT THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE TRIED TO STOP INDIVIDUALS FROM BEING ABLE TO VOTE, TO UNDERMINE OUR DEMOCRACY.

SO WE KNEW THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME PUSHBACK SOMEPLACE.

BUT I DIDN'T THINK A MILLE LACS JUDGE WOULD GO SO FAR AS TO, IN HIS CAPACITY, TO SAY, THIS LEGISLATION IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

BUT I'M THANKFUL FOR THE SECRETARY OF STATE, AS WELL AS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND OTHERS WHO RESPONDED EXPEDITIOUSLY IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS CLARIFIED.

AND I'M GRATEFUL THAT THE COURT OF APPEALS CLARIFIED.

>> Eric: THERE IS ANOTHER LAWSUIT THAT'S STILL PENDING, I THINK, ON THE LAW ITSELF.

THIS WAS FIST INTRODUCED BACK, I THINK, 2003.

FIRST.

WHAT TOOK SO LONG?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT TAKES GETTING THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT PLACES AND IN THE RIGHT POSITIONS, NUMBER ONE.

AND I'M THANKFUL FOR NOW ATTORNEY GENERAL KEITH ELLISON AND FORMER STATE SENATOR LINDA HIGGINS, WHO CARRIED IT IN '03.

>> Eric: YEAH.

>> AND THEN ONCE THEY WERE NO LONGER IN THE LEGISLATURE, THEN I PICKED UP THE MEMENTO AND HAVE GONE FORWARD.

AND I'M THANKFUL ALSO TO THE HOUSE MEMBER, FRAZIER, WHO ALSO CARRIED IT ON THE HOUSE SIDE.

WHAT TOOK SO LONG, SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED AND WHY.

AND THERE WAS?

OPPOSITION THAT DIDN'T REALLY AMOUNT TO -- AND THERE WAS SOME OPPOSITION THAT DIDN'T REALLY AMOUNT TO MUCH, RIGHT?

SO WHEN WE THINK IN TERMS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE -- WHO HAVE COMMITTED FELONIES, THEY'RE PAYING TAXES, THEY'RE RAISING FAMILIES, THEY'RE BEING LAW ABIDING AND ALL THE LAWS SUGGEST WHEN THEY'RE BEING INVOLVED IN PRO SOCIAL ACTIVITIES, THEY'RE A PART OF SOCIETY, RECIDIVISM GOES DOWN.

WHAT DO WE WANT?

WE WANT INDIVIDUALS TO FEEL INCLUDED, A PART OF OUR SOCIETY, AND FOR US NOT TO ALWAYS JUDGE THEM ON THEIR PAST INFRACTION.

>> Cathy: DO YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE AS TO HOW THESE FOLKS MIGHT FIT INTO GET OUT THE VOTE EFFORTS COMING UP HERE IN THIS NEXT ELECTION AND THE ELECTION AFTER THAT EVEN?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

IN FACT, I WOULD JUST ADD, AN EVENT RIGHT BEFORE -- I WAS AT AN EVENT RIGHT BEFORE I CAME HERE, ALL SQUARED, THAT'S A PLACE WHERE INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY HAVE HAD A TOUGH TIME IN THE PAST, WHO PAID THEIR DEBT TO SOCIETY, BUT THEY'RE WORKING, AND THEY HAD A RALLY OF RESTORING THE VOTE AND REGISTERING PEOPLE TO VOTE.

AND BEFORE THAT, ON SATURDAY, I WAS AT AN ORGANIZATION CALLED PEOPLE OF POWER.

THEY HAD A COLLABORATION WITH LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS TO MAKE SURE INDIVIDUALS ARE REGISTERED AND THEY COULD ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT CANDIDATES AND THEY CAN DO -- AND GO THROUGH ALL THE PACE THAT IS ARE REQUIRED.

AND, SO, I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL EFFORTS IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE, NUMBER ONE, KNOW ABOUT THE LAW.

>> Eric: YEAH.

>> NUMBER TWO, SUPPORT IT.

NUMBER THREE, MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN INCREASE VOTER TURNOUT.

>> Eric: IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT EFFECT IT HAS ON VOTER TURNOUT.

THANKS VERY MUCH FOR COMING OVER.

APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

AND I SINCERELY APPRECIATE YOU JUST GIVING ME A CALL.

THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.

>> Cathy: GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> Eric: THANK YOU.

>> AS A GOLD STAR MOTHER AND THE NATIONAL PRESIDENT OF THE AMERICAN MOTHERS COMMITTEE, I URGE YOU TO VOTE.

I'LL SEE YOU AT THE POLLS.

♪♪ >> CATHY: IT'S AN OFF-YEAR ELECTION IN MINNESOTA.

NO STATEWIDE OR FEDERAL RACES ON THE BALLOT.

SO OFTEN VOTERS STAY HOME AND SKIP THE LOCAL RACES.

BUT WITH A HOTLY CONTESTED MAYORAL RACE IN DULUTH, THAT TURNOUT COULD BE HIGHER THAN AVERAGE.

CURRENT MAYOR EMILY LARSON IS RUNNING FOR A THIRD TERM TO REPRESENT DULUTH.

CHALLENGER ROGER REINERT, A FORMER STATE SENATOR FROM THE -- FROM DULUTH.

MPR NEWS REPORTER DAN KRAKER HAS BEEN COVERING THE RACE, AND HE JOINS US FROM THE NORTHLAND.

HEY, HOW ARE YOU?

>> I'M OING WELL, CATHY, ERIC, GOOD TO JOIN YOU GUYS, SORRY I COULDN'T BE DOWN THERE WITH YOU TONIGHT.

>> Cathy: I KNOW.

IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE.

I WAS JUST IN DULUTH, I NOTED LOTS AND LOTS OF LAWN SIGNS, NOT ONLY LAKESIDE BUT WEST END, I MEAN, IT'S BOTH, FOR BOTH CANDIDATES.

IF YOU CAN JUDGE BY LAWN SIGNS, WHO DO YOU THINK'S LEADING?

>> THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION.

EARLIER IN THE ELECTION, I WOULD SAY, AND I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD AGREE, DEFINITELY ROGER REINERT.

HE HAD A BIG ADVANTAGE IN LAWN SIGNS.

I THINK HE SAID 2,500, AROUND THE PRIMARY.

BUT SINCE THE PRIMARY, YOU'VE DEFINITELY NOTICED AN UPSWING IN YARD LINES FOR LARSON.

SO -- YARD SIGNS FOR LARSON.

I WOULD SAY IT'S MORE EVEN.

MAYBE STILL TRENDING TOWARD REINERT, ESPECIALLY ON THE WEST SIDE.

AS HE HAS EVEN TOLD ME, YOU KNOW, YARD SIGNS DON'T VOTE.

SO WE'LL SEE.

>> Eric: HOW DO THEY DIFFER ON THE MAJOR ISSUES?

>> WELL, THEY ARE FOCUSING ON A LOT OF THE SAME ISSUES, ERIC.

IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING THAT WAY, ACTUALLY.

SO REINERT IS REALLY FOCUSING ON WHAT HE SEES AS CORE CITY SERVICES.

SO HE'S TALKING ABOUT STREET REPAIR, HE'S TALKING ABOUT PARKS FUNDING, PUBLIC SAFETY, INCREASING COMMERCIAL -- THE COMMERCIAL TAX BASE AND HOUSING AND REDUCING PROPERTY TAXES.

THOSE ARE THE REAL KEY AREAS HE'S FOCUSING ON.

LARSON ALSO TALKS A LOT ABOUT THOSE ISSUES, AND SHE TALKS -- SHE POINTS TO ACHIEVEMENTS SHE'S MADE IN THE PAST EIGHT YEARS, ADDRESSING SOME OF THOSE ISSUES, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, THE CREATION OF A FUND AND A PROGRAM O REPAIR MORE STREETS THAT HAD HISTORICALLY BEEN REPAIRED IN THE CITY ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

AND SHE POINTS TO 1,700 NEW HOUSING UNITS ACROSS THE CITY IN THE PAST EIGHT YEARS AS WELL.

SO THEY'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT A LOT OF THE SAME ISSUES, BUT COMING AT THEM FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

>> Cathy: COULD YOU MAYBE DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THEIR STYLE?

ARE THEY -- ANY DAYLIGHT BETWEEN HOW THEIR CAMPAIGNING IS, THEIR CAMPAIGNING STYLES?

>> THAT HAS BEEN INTERESTING TO WATCH.

SO, REINERT HAS REALLY MADE AN EMPHASIS OF REALLY FOCUSING ON HIMSELF AND THE ISSUES.

HE'S GONE SO FAR AS TO NOT EVEN USE THE WORD "OPPONENT" WHEN REFERRING TO MAYOR LARSON.

HE SAYS THAT'S TOO DIVISIVE.

SO, HE'S REALLY FOCUSED ON KIND OF A POSITIVE MESSAGE, REALLY FOCUSED ON HIMSELF AND THE ISSUES AND WHAT HE SEES AS CHALLENGES THAT DULUTH IS FACING.

LARSON, ON THE OTHER HAND, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE PRIMARY, HAS BECOME MORE AGGRESSIVE.

SHE'S REALLY TRIED TO DIFFERENTIATE THEMSELVES BASED ON THEIR RECORD.

SHE SAYS, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A RECORD THE PAST EIGHT YEARS AS MAYOR.

I EXPECT TO BE CHALLENGED ON THAT AND BE HELD TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT.

AND SHE'S ALSO IN MANY OF THE TV DEBATE THAT IS HAVE BEEN HELD HERE, SHE HAS REALLY GONE AFTER REINERT FOR HIS RECORD AS WELL, AS A CITY COUNSELOR AND AS -- COUNCILOR AND A STATE LEGISLATURE.

THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE STYLES.

REINERT DECRIES WHAT HE CALLS THE D.C.-STYLE POLITICS IN THE RACE.

THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT F MAILERS SENT OUT BY THE MINNESOTA DFL PARTY WHICH HAS ENDORSED LARSON IN THE RACE, CALLING REINERT RISKY ROGER.

SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THAT.

HE'S SORT OF EMBRACED IT, SAID, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE RISKY NOT TO VOTE FOR ME.

BUT, YEAH, LOTS OF ATTENTION, NOT JUST ON THE ISSUES, ON THE CANDIDATES, BUT ALSO ON HOW THE CAMPAIGN HAS TAKEN PLACE.

>> Eric: THEN HOW ABOUT A LOOK AT THIS AS A PRECURSOR TO 2024 CYCLE, WHERE THE DEMOCRATS SEEM TO BE HEADING TOWARD A PROGRESSIVE VERSUS MODERATE DEMOCRATIC SPLIT.

AND I WONDER IF YOU'RE SEEING THAT, ROGER REINERT, OF COURSE, HEADED THE PURPLE CAUCUS, WHICH WAS A BIPARTISAN CAUCUS WHEN HE WAS IN THE STATE SENATE.

>> YEAH, INTERESTING QUESTION.

THE MAYOR'S RACE, OF COURSE, IS A NONPARTISAN OFFICE.

AND THEY ARE BOTH DEMOCRATS.

BUT, AS YOU SAID, REINERT IS A MORE MODERATE DEMOCRAT, AND HE'S PROUD OF THAT PURPLE CAUCUS THAT HE SERVED ON.

HE DOES HAVE, YOU KNOW, IN RECENT CAMPAIGN FINANCE REPORTS THAT WE'VE SEEN, THERE ARE HISTORICALLY REPUBLICAN DONORS HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO A P.A.C.

THAT'S SUPPORTED REINERT'S CAMPAIGN.

SO, I MEAN, THERE'S DEFINITELY A DINNERS.

YOU SEE THAT IN THE -- DIFFERENCE.

YOU SEE THAT IN THE AT LARGE CITY COUNCIL RACE HERE AS WELL.

THERE'S TWO MORE PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATES AND TWO MORE MODERATE CANDIDATES.

IT COULD DEFINITELY BE A PRECURSOR TO THE '24 ON THAT ONE.

>> Cathy: YOU DID AN INTERESTING STORY ON MPR, YOU HAD BOTH CANDIDATES CHOOSE A SPECIFIC LOCATION IN DULUTH, SEVERAL LOCATIONS THAT KIND OF UNDERSCORED THEIR CAMPAIGNS.

DID YOU -- WERE YOU SURPRISED BY ANYTHING YOU LEARNED DURING THAT STORY?

>> NO, I MEAN, REALLY KIND OF REINFORCED, I THINK, WHAT THEY'VE BEEN FOCUSING N IN THEIR CAMPAIGNS.

MAYOR LARSON CHOSE A SPOT IN DOWNTOWN DULUTH, WHERE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ACTIVITY, RIGHT ACROSS THE LIBRARY WHERE SHE HAS A NEW VISION OR A LIBRARY, SO THAT SITE REALLY DEMONSTRATED, A, WHAT SHE HAS ACCOMPLISHED, WHAT SHE HOPES TO ACHIEVE WITH ANOTHER FOUR YEARS.

ROGER REINERT TOOK ME TO SPOT UP ON THE HILL TO A SPOT WHERE THE ROAD WAS ROUGH, AS, YOU KNOW, DULUTHIANS WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT THE CONDITIONS OF OUR STREETS, LIKE MANY FOLKS WILL IN DIFFERENT CITIES AROUND THE STATE.

HE TOOK ME TO A PLACE WHERE HOUSING WAS, YOU KNOW, HOUSING PRICES HAVE REALLY INCREASED.

BECAUSE HE'S FOCUSED A LOT ON THE LACK OF SORT OF THAT MIDDLE MARKET OF HOUSING, INCREASED PROPERTY TAXES AND STREET REPAIR.

SO THE SITE HE TOOK ME REALLY EMPHASIZED THOSE THREE WHICH ARE KIND OF KEY CORNERSTONES OF HIS CAMPAIGN.

>> Cathy: YOU'RE GOING TO BE BUSY ELECTION NIGHT.

THANK YOU.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> Eric: THANKS, AN.

♪♪ >> NOW IT'S 1998!

AND THE AMERICAN DREAM LIVES ON IN MINNESOTA!

[ Cheers ] [ Cheers and applause ] >> JESSE!

JESSE!

♪♪ >> CATHY: A BOOK FILLED WITH STORIES ABOUT THE UPPER SIOUX COMMUNITIES IN MINNESOTA IS MAKING ITS WAY INTO CLASSROOMS ACROSS THE STATE THIS FALL.

IT'S PART OF THE "NATIVE ONE-READ PROGRAM" STARTED LAST YEAR.

THE SHAKOPEE MDEWAKANTON SIOUX COMMUNITY IS DONATING 20,000 COPIES OF "VOICES FROM PEJUHUTAZIZI: DAKOTA STORIES AND STORYTELLERS" TO HONOR NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH.

HERE WITH MORE ABOUT THE BOOK AND THE ONE-READ PROGRAM, CO-AUTHOR TERESA PETERSON.

SHE COLLABORATED WITH HER UNCLE ON THE COLLECTION OF SHORT STORIES.

HERE TOO, REBECCA CROOKS-STRATTON, SECRETARY-TREASURER OF THE SHAKOPEE MDEWAKANTON SIOUX COMMUNITY.

OH, MY GOSH, IT'S A PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU BOTH HERE.

TERRESA, NICE WORK, BY THE WAY.

I REMEMBER AS A KID, I'M TALKING ABOUT UNIOR HIGH HERE, I DID A SCHOOL REPORT, WHEN YOU HAD TO PICK A TRIBE AND WRITE ABOUT THEM.

BUT IT WAS ALWAYS IN THE PAST TENSE.

YOU KNOW?

WHAT ABOUT THAT?

WHAT DOES THAT SAY TO YOU?

>> RIGHT.

THAT WE WERE RELEGATED TO THE PAST AND THAT WE WERE INVISIBLE AND JUST HAD A LOT OF INACCURATE STORIES.

I OFTEN, TOO, REMEMBER THAT GREAT BIG HEAVY TEXTBOOK AND THERE WOULD BE A LITTLE BOX THAT WOULD DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME TRIBE WAY IN THE PAST.

>> YEAH.

>> Cathy: AND, SO, THIS ACTUALLY IS KIND OF MORE LIVING HISTORY, RIGHT?

>> UM-HUM.

YEAH, THE BOOK ITSELF GOES OVER FIVE GENERATIONS AND STORIES THROUGHOUT OUR -- WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR FAMILY.

BUT IT DOES REALLY LIFT UP A LOT OF AREAS AROUND OUR VALUES, OUR TRADITIONS, CONTEMPORARY AREAS, OUR OWN HEROES, THOSE THINGS THAT YOU WOULDN'T HEAR IN CLASSROOMS.

>> Eric: 20,000 BOOKS DONATED.

HOW DID YOU GET INVOLVED IN THIS?

>> 20,000 COPIES.

AS PART OF THE UNDERSTAND NATIVE MINNESOTA CAMPAIGN, THIS ONE-READ IS AN INITIATIVE OF THAT CAMPAIGN.

SO REALLY WORKING TO CHANGE THE NARRATIVE IN MINNESOTA'S K-12 SCHOOLS Y PROVIDING A MORE ACCURATE UP-TO-DATE PERSPECTIVE AND NARRATIVE ABOUT INDIGENOUS PEOPLE.

SO WHEN WE DECIDED TO DO THE ONE-READ, THIS BOOK REALLY CHECKED ALL THE BOXES, YOU KNOW.

IT HAD THE MODERN PERSPECTIVE, IT TOLD THE FAMILY STORIES, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, READABLE BY A VARIETY OF AGES AND AGE GROUPS.

SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A WONDERFUL WAY TO CHANGE THE NARRATIVE OF WHAT PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT NATIVE PEOPLE HERE IN MINNESOTA.

>> Cathy: HOW FUN WAS IT TO WORK WITH YOUR UNCLE ON THIS?

>> WELL, IF ANYBODY KNOWS BY UNCLE SUPER, WHO'S FONDLY KNOWN AS SUPER, EVERYBODY WOULD KNOW THAT HE WAS A LOT OF FUN TO WORK WITH AND, YEAH, HE CONTINUES TO BE A LOT OF FUN TO GO OUT IN COMMUNITY AND SHARE THESE STORIES.

>> Cathy: I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT A LOT OF FAMILIES DON'T WRITE THEIR STORIES DOWN, RIGHT?

YOU HEAR THEM, YOU'RE LIKE, YEAH, THAT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING, THEN YOU KIND OF FORGET ABOUT IT.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO WRITE THESE DOWN.

>> YEAH, IT ACTUALLY REALLY STARTED FROM THIS LITTLE PIECE.

MY REAT GRANDPA, FRED, WROTE A LETTER TO HIS DAUGHTERS AND SAID, THIS IS WHO YOUR GRANDMOTHER, THIS IS HER STORY, THIS IS HER IFE, AND THEN HE WROTE DOWN ALL THESE STORIES HE HAD HEARD FROM ELDERS AT THE TIME.

AND MY RANDMA'S SISTER WROTE -- SELF-PUBLISHED THIS BOOK, AND MY MOM GAVE THIS TO ME WHEN I WENT OFF TO COLLEGE, AND I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, PAY ATTENTION TO IT UNTIL YEARS LATER, AND THEN REALLY DISCOVERED, LIKE, WOW, THIS IS WHO I COME FROM, AND IT REALLY MEANT A LOT O ME.

IT MADE ME FEEL MORE CONNECTED TO ME AS A DAKOTA PERSON, AND WANTED TO LEARN MORE.

AND, SO, THAT WAS THE I AM IMPETUS FOR THE BOOK.

>> ric: WHAT KIND OF FEEDBACK ARE YOU GETTING FROM TEACHERS AND PARENTS?

>> YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN MET WITH JUST A LOT OF ENTHUSIASM AROUND THE CAMPAIGN AS A WHOLE, BUT ESPECIALLY THE ONE-READ PROJECT.

WHEN WE RELEASED THE REQUEST FORM OR ONE-READ, WE GAVE AWAY 10,000 COPIES IN LESS THAN SIX HOURS.

SO WE'VE GOT 20,000 COPIES OF THIS BOOK IN OVER 800 SCHOOLS ACROSS THE STATE AND, YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO THE BOOK, WE'VE GOT THIS WONDERFUL TEACHER'S GUIDE THAT REALLY MAKES IT EASY FOR TEACHERS TO ALIGN THIS BOOK WITH STANDARDS IN THE CLASSROOM AND WE KIND OF DID ALL THE WORK FOR THEM.

SO THIS IS AVAILABLE ONLINE.

>> Cathy: HOW DOES THIS FIT INTO THE -- I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER, I THINK IT WAS LAST YEAR, THERE WAS TALK ABOUT IMPROVING STATEWIDE URRICULA FOR NATIVE STUDIES.

HOW DOES THIS FIT INTO THAT?

>> I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE COMPONENTS.

LIKE PROVIDING RESOURCES THAT TEACHERS CAN USE IN THE CLASSROOM.

YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY SAID, WE NEED RESOURCES THAT ARE VETTED, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALIGN WITH THE STANDARDS AND ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE NEW STANDARDS THAT ARE OUT, I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE CRITICAL COMPONENTS FOR TEACHERS TO BE ABLE TO USE IN THEIR CLASSROOM.

>> Eric: LOOKING AT THE BOOK, I WAS INTRIGUED BY THE PUSH TO HAVE INDIAN NAMES CHANGED TO WHAT, I GUESS, ANGLO NAMES?

>> YEAH, THERE WAS I -- AN ERA WHERE THAT HAPPENED, SO SOME OF THAT HISTORY IS SHARED THERE.

OF COURSE, YOU SAW THROUGHOUT THE BOOK, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL NAMES THAT ARE SHARED THROUGHOUT, THE DAKOTA NAMES, YEAH.

>> Eric: YOU TALK ABOUT A SENSE OF BELONGING.

>> HUM.

>> Eric: CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT?

>> WELL, WHEN WE ONLY HEAR ONE VERSION OF HISTORY, SOMETIMES WE HAVE A HARD TIME CONNECTING TO THAT.

AND WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW OR BE ABLE TO SHARE IS THAT WE ALL HAVE A PERSPECTIVE, WE ALL HAVE A STORY AND OUR STORY MATTERS.

SO THAT, I THINK, IS, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE PEACE AROUND THIS THAT'S SO HELPFUL FOR YOUNG PEOPLE, THEY CAN MAKE A CONNECTION TO THIS.

I MEAN, JUST THINK OF THE TIMES WHEN YOU'VE LISTENED TO A STORY, YOU'RE LIKE, OH, I HAVE SOMETHING REALLY SIMILAR, AND, SO, YOU HAVE A CONNECTION, YOU START BUILDING AN UNDERSTANDING, AND THEN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR STORY DOES MATTER AND YOU HAVE A SENSE OF BELONGING.

>> Cathy: THESE ARE DAKOTA STORIES.

I'M WONDERING ABOUT OTHER NATIVE COMMUNITIES IN MINNESOTA, OJIBWE COMMUNITIES, HAVE YOU HEARD FEEDBACK, MAYBE, FROM THEM THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR AT ALL?

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING, I ASSUME THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

BUT IN THIS TEACHER'S GUIDE, THERE ARE A LOT OF SIDE BAR RESOURCES AND WE DID POINT TO SOME OJIBWE STORIES AND BOOKS THAT ARE SIMILAR TO HE ONE TERRESA AND SUPER WROTE.

>> Eric: HOW DO FOLKS GET AHOLD OF THE MATERIAL?

>> UNDERSTAND NATIVE MINNESOTA WEBSITE, IT'S UNDERSTANDNATIVEMN.ORG.

YOU CAN DOWNLOAD THE TEACHER'S GUIDE THERE.

IT'S GOT ALL KINDS OF GREAT LINKS.

THE BOOKS WE'VE GIVEN AWAY.

SO I'D SAY THEY JUST GOT TO PURCHASE THE BOOKS IF THEY WANT.

>> Cathy: THERE'S GOT TO BE ANOTHER ELECTION NEXT YEAR, RIGHT?

>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS RIGHT NOW.

>> Cathy: OH, OKAY.

BECAUSE YOU'RE ON A ROLL HERE.

YEAH, GO AHEAD.

>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SHARE, PEOPLE STILL CAN REACH OUT TO THE MINNESOTA HISTORICAL SOCIETY PRESS.

IN ACT, SCHOOLS AND EDUCATORS, THERE IS A DISCOUNT IF THEY REACH OUT TO THEM.

>> Cathy: I CAN HEAR THIS ALSO IN AUDIO FORM OR VIDEO FORM.

YOU KNOW, THIS COULD BE KIND OF INTERESTING IN TERMS OF MAYBE SOME OTHER CONTENT.

I BET YOUR UNCLE WOULD LOVE THAT.

>> I'M SURE HE WOULD.

>> Cathy: THANK YOU.

>> Eric: GOOD STUFF.

OF THANKS FOR COMING OVER HERE.

>> Cathy: NICE TO HAVE YOU.

♪♪ >> TANE: FOR THREE YEARS I'’VE HAD THE HONOR OF SERVING AS DIRECTOR OF THE WESTMINSTER TOWN HALL FORUM.

IT'’S MINNESOTA'’S LONGEST-RUNNING NATIONAL SPEAKER SERIES.

OUR MISSION IS TO PRESENT "“VOICES OF CONSCIENCE ADDRESSING THE ISSUES OF THE DAY FROM AN ETHICAL PERSPECTIVE.

"” AND THEY'’RE ALL FREE TO ATTEND AT WESTMINSTER PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH IN DOWNTOWN MINNEAPOLIS.

I'’M VERY EXCITED TO SHARE THAT THE ADVISORY BOARD OF THE TOWN HALL FORM HAS ASKED ME, STARTING NEXT THURSDAY, TO STEP INTO THE ROLE AS INTERIM MODERATOR OF THE FORUM AS WELL.

BRANDON.

THIS GUY?

YOU'’RE GOING TO MODERATE THE WESTMINSTER TOWN HALL FORUM?

THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST PRESTIGIOUS SPEAKER SERIES IN THE COUNTRY.

LOOK AT YOU.

YOU DON'’T EXACTLY SCREAM GRAVITAS.

THIS IS A PLACE WHERE -- >> LISTEN, I GET IT.

I DON'T EXACTLY MAYBE SCREAM GRAVITAS, BUT THE WESTMINSTER FORUM IS NOT ABOUT LOOKS, IT'S ABOUT WORDS AND IDEAS.

THAT'S WHY WE BROADCAST ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS ON MINNESOTA PUBLIC RADIO.

>> BRANDON: OH, DON'’T GET ME WRONG.

YOU DEFINITELY HAVE A FACE FOR RADIO.

BUT THIS IS THE PLACE WHERE SOME OF OUR GREATEST ORATORS COME TOGETHER.

MAYA ANGELOU, DESMOND TUTU, BRYAN STEVENSON.

THE GUY WHO DIRECTED THE MOVIE "MONSTERS INC." AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE SPEAKING TO THEM WITH THAT JOHN ME VEIN KNEE, KERMIT THE FROG VOICE OF YOURS.

>> THAT'S WHAT THEY SAY, FACE FOR RADIO, VOICE FOR PRINT.

I THINK I ASK PRETTY GOOD QUESTIONS, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.

>> HAVEN'T A LOT OF THE PAST MODERATORS BEEN PRESBYTERIAN MINISTERS.

>> MY FATHER IS A LUTHERAN MINUTE ITSTER, IF THAT HELPS.

>> YOUR FATHER IS A LUTHERAN MINISTER.

I BET YOU DON'T KNOW THE FIRST THING ABOUT CALVINISM.

>> THAT IS TRUE.

I'M GOING TO TRY TO DO AS GOOD A JOB AS I CAN IN THIS ROLE AS INTERIM MODERATOR.

IT'S ABOUT LIFTING UP VOICES OF CONSCIENCE, ULTIMATELY, THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO BE TRYING TO DO IS BRINGING THESE AMAZING SPEAKERS TO OUR COMMUNITY.

>> WHO'S GOING TO BE THE SPEAKER ON THURSDAY?

>> BELOVED NATIONAL STORYTELLER AND COMMENTATOR, NANCY GILES FROM CBS SUNDAY MORNINGS.

>> WOW.

WELL, SHE'S GOOD.

YOU KNOW, I COULD BE INTO THAT.

>> ALL RIGHT, WELL, GOOD.

WELL, COME FOR NANCY GILES AND I'LL BE THERE, TOO.

WE HOPE TO SEE YOU NEXT WEEK AT THE WESTMINSTER TOWN HALL FORUM.

>> ERIC: IT'S A FAMILIAR ROLLER COASTER RIDE FOR LONGTIME MINNESOTA SPORTS FANS.

IN PERHAPS THEIR BEST GAME OF THE SEASON, THE VIKINGS BEAT THE GREEN BAY PACKERS LAST SUNDAY BUT LOST STAR QUARTERBACK KIRK COUSINS FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON TO A TORN ACHILLES TENDON.

IF THAT'S NOT BAD ENOUGH, THE WOLVES SEEM DESTINED FOR A ROLLER COASTER SEASON OF THEIR OWN WITH ONE BIG LOSS AND ONE BIG WIN THIS WEEK.

AND THE MINNESOTA WILD'S LOSING STREAK HIT FOUR GAMES LAST NIGHT.

LARRY FITZGERALD, SR., IS BACK.

WHEN HE'S NOT VISITING US HERE IN STUDIO B, HE DOES RADIO WORK FOR THE NATIONAL PROGRAMMING NETWORK.

OKAY, VIKINGS QUARTERBACK SITUATION, WE GOT JAREN HALL STARTING, ROOKIE FROM BRIGHAM YOUNG.

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> Eric: WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> HE'S TALENTED, THERE'S A REASON THEY WENT OUT AND DRAFTED HIM.

YOU KNOW, KEVIN O'CONNELL'S A QUARTERBACK HIMSELF, SO HE KNOWS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS.

AND THEY TOOK HIM WHEN HE WAS AVAILABLE IN THE DRAFT.

THEY WORKED HIM.

YOU KNOW, HE'S BEEN ON A MISSION ALREADY.

YOU KNOW, THAT HAPPENS FOR SOME ATHLETES PARTICULAR SCHOOLS THEY GO TO.

>> Eric: YEAH.

>> SO HE'S GOT A GREAT AMOUNT OF MATURITY.

I WAS IMPRESSED WITH WHAT I WAS ABLE TO SEE THIS EEK.

AND HAVE SEEN IN CAMP.

HE'S GOTTEN SOME WORK IN.

AND I HINK, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, O'CONNELL WILL TAILOR AN OFFENSE FOR HIM TO SPECIALIZE IN CERTAIN THINGS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.

HE'S MOBILE.

AND ELUSIVE.

SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THEM GOING INTO ATLANTAN AND -- ATLANTA AND PLAYING A TYPE OF GAME WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF THERE WITH A WIN.

PARTICULARLY, IT'S NOT JUST A QUARTERBACK, IN SPORTS, THEY TALK ABOUT FANTASY THIS, FANTASY THAT, IT'S HOW THE TEAM'S PLAYING.

AND THE TEAM IS PLAYING VERY WELL RIGHT NOW, AT THE TOP OF THEIR GAME ON BOTH SIDES.

>> Cathy: YOU CAN SCREW IT UP WITH A BAD QUARTERBACK.

I MEAN, CAN'T YOU?

I DON'T KNOW HOW JOSHUA DOBBS IS, HE'S BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE, RIGHT?

>> YEAH.

WELL, REMEMBER, HE STARTED EIGHT GAMES IN THE NFL WITH THE ARIZONA CARDINALS.

THEY HAVEN'T BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN THOSE GAMES OTHER THAN BEATING THE DALLAS COWBOYS, YOU HEARD OF THAT TEAM, $9 BILLION TEAM, THEY BEAT THAT TEAM, RATHER, AND PRESCOTT.

I LOOK AT IT FROM AN OPEN MIND STANDPOINT.

IT'S OW THE TEAM'S PLAYING.

YES, IT'S A TERRIBLE SITUATION TO LOSE YOUR STARTING QUARTERBACK.

BUT THE VIKINGS ARE READY FOR THIS CHALLENGE.

>> Eric: AND YOU'VE BEEN MAKING THE CASE AND IT'S A GOOD ONE THAT HE PLAYOFFS ARE VERY MUCH IN PLAY FOR THE VIKINGS.

>> THEY WOULD BE IN THE PLAYOFFS RIGHT NOW, IF THE SEASON ENDED AFTER EIGHT WEEKS.

THE VIKINGS HAVE PLAYED ONE OF THE TOUGHEST SCHEDULES IN FOOTBALL.

THEY PLAYED BOTH SUPER BOWL TEAMS, INCLUDING THE INNER.

THEY'VE PLAYED THE CHARGERS, WHO WERE IN THE PLAYOFFS.

AND, YOU KNOW, LET'S NOT FORGET, THEY BEAT A PRETTY GOOD TEAM HERE ON MONDAY NIGHT, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, THE 49ers, WHO WERE, OU KNOW, THEY WON 12, 13 GAMES IN A ROW.

SO I LIKE WHERE THEY'RE AT.

THEY'RE GETTING READY TO GO INTO A PART OF THEIR SCHEDULE WHERE THEY'RE GAMES, IF THEY CONTINUE TO PLAY WELL, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO WIN THEM.

>> Cathy: GIVE US A SENSE, BECAUSE YOU ARE A PERSON WHO KNOWS A LOT ABOUT, GIVEN YOUR SON, BEING IN THE NFL, COUSINS' FUTURE?

I MEAN, I KNOW THE INJURY, YOU CAN REHAB AN INJURY, HE'S WHAT, 35, 36 YEARS OLD.

DOES IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE AS YOU GET A LITTLE BIT OLDER AND TRY TO COME BACK FROM SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

>> WELL, SOME GUY NAMED AARON RODGERS SAID HE'S GOING TO PLAY THIS YEAR, HE HAD THE SAME INJURY, BASICALLY, TORN ACHILLES.

SO IF YOU BELIEVE THAT AARON'S GOING TO BE READY TO PLAY THIS YEAR, THE SAME YEAR, WHAT, FOUR, FIVE, I MEAN, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, HE WAS STARTING.

AND THEN HE GOT HURT THE FIRST GAME.

HE CLAIMS HE'S GOING TO BE READY TO PLAY BECAUSE OF WHAT HE BELIEVES IN AND THE DOCTORS AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

KIRK COUSINS IS DONE FOR THIS SEASON.

I THINK BECAUSE OF HIS SITUATION AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS IN THE LAST YEAR OF HIS CONTRACT, THE VIKINGS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COMMIT TO HIM NOW BECAUSE HE WOULD BE IN AN UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT AND HE LEADS THE NFL IN TOUCHDOWN PASSES.

WHY WOULDN'T YOU KEEP HIM?

>> Eric: EVEN AS HE'S OUT WITH THE INJURY, HE MAY NOT BE WITH THE TEAM NEXT YEAR UNLESS THEY ACT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?

>> THEY GOT TO ACT NOW.

OKAY?

THE WINDOW'S CLOSING BECAUSE THE INSURANCE IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE REST OF HIS MONEY THIS YEAR.

THEY OWE HIM 45 MILLION.

SO, THEY'RE HAPPY WITH WHAT HE'S DOING FOR THIS TEAM.

THIS TEAM, HE LEADS THE NFL IN TOUCHDOWN PASSES.

YOU CAN'T LOOK PAST WHAT HE DID TO GET YOU WHERE YOU'RE AT.

OKAY?

AND, SO, I THINK, YEAH, PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WELL, ARE WE GOING TO GET PAST THIS GUY, HE'S BEEN HERE SIX YEARS, ALL THIS GUARANTEED MONEY, WE HAVEN'T WON A SUPER BOWL, ALL THAT STUFF, HE'S PLAYING WELL, HE'S DOING HIS JOB.

>> Eric: YOU CAN THROW OUT THE RECORD BOOK WHEN THE VIKINGS AND THE FALCONS MEET.

WHO DO YOU LIKE ON SUNDAY?

>> I LIKE THE VIKINGS, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO DO A BETTER JOB OF RUNNING THE FOOTBALL.

AND I THINK FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS SEASON, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TURN IT OVER.

IF THEY GO TO ATLANTA, DON'T TURN IT OVER, THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING HOME 5-4.

>> Cathy: WOW, REALLY?

>> Eric: ALL RIGHT.

WE APPRECIATE -- >> I KNOW YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE QUARTERBACK.

>> Cathy: I AM KIND OF.

>> THEY'LL BE FINE.

>> Cathy: LARRY FITZGERALD, THEY'LL BE FINE, THERE'S THE QUOTE, OKAY.

THANKS, FITZY.

♪♪ >> CATHY: EARLIER THIS WEEK THE GROUNDBREAK COALITION ANNOUNCED IT HAS GATHERED NEARLY $1 BILLION IN PLEDGES AND INVESTMENTS TO HELP BUILD WEALTH IN TWIN CITIES BLACK COMMUNITIES.

THE COALITION WAS CREATED NEARLY A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.

IT INCLUDES MORE THAN 40 PRIVATE, PUBLIC AND PHILANTHROPIC ORGANIZATIONS.

KEVIN BENNETT IS WITH THE GHR FOUNDATION AND SPOKE AT TUESDAY'S EVENT.

WELCOME TO "ALMANAC."

>> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> Cathy: THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, A LOT OF MONEY.

>> THAT'S A GOOD THING.

>> Cathy: EXACTLY.

HOW DOES THAT MONEY BUILD WEALTH?

>> MMM, GREAT QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, GROUNDBREAK IS REALLY ABOUT COLLECTIVE WILL AND INTENTIONAL ACTION.

YOU HAVE SOLIDARITY BETWEEN PHILANTHROPIC COMMUNITY, THE CORPORATE COMMUNITY, THE CIVIC COMMUNITY.

ALL IN THE SAME PAGE, COMING TOGETHER TO SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS RACIAL WEALTH AND OPPORTUNITY GAPS.

AND NOT ONLY TO ADDRESS THEM BUT TO AGGREGATE CAPITAL AND DEPLOY IN A NEW WAY.

I THINK THAT'S THE KEY WITH GROUNDBREAK IS HOW THE CAPITAL IS GOING TO BE DEPLOYED.

TO BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE PHILANTHROPIC DOLLARS, WHICH ARE TYPICALLY FLEXIBLE, A LITTLE BIT MORE PATIENT AND COMBINE THAT WITH WHAT THE BACHTION CAN DO WHERE -- BANKS CAN DO WHERE YOU HAVE MORE RULES AND MORE POLICY, BUT HOW DO WE UNLOCK THAT OPEN MARKET CAPITAL THAT THEY HAVE IN BANKS ND BE ABLE TO GET THAT IN THE HANDS OF ASPIRING HOMEOWNERS, ASPIRING BUSINESS OWNERS, ENTREPRENEURS AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPERS.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO.

>> Eric: BANKS HAVE REALLY BEEN PART OF THE PROBLEM IN THE PAST, NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION WITH REDLINING AND SO FORTH AND ITH 40 COALITION MEMBERS, OW ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE?

[ Laughter ] >> YOU KNOW WHAT I HAVE SEEN AND WHAT I HAVE EXPERIENCED, BEEN AT THE TABLE WITH GROUNDBREAK IS EVERYONE IS ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THE BIG VISION.

TO HAVE A LEADER LIKE TANYA ALLEN FROM McKNIGHT REALLY CARRYING THIS VISION FORWARD.

SHE'S EXTRAORDINARY.

IT'S A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY, RIGHT, FOR US TO CREATE ON RAMPS RATHER THAN SEEING CHALLENGES AND OBSTACLES, I THINK WE'RE APPROACHING WORK MORE ABOUT BUILDING BRIDGES, CREATING PIPELINES AND PATHWAYS FOR BANKS OR FOUNDATIONS AND OTHERS TO COME TO THE TABLE WITH WHAT THEY CAN COME TO THE ABLE WITH.

>> Cathy: SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

RIGHT NOW I BELIEVE, I SAW THIS FIGURE, ONLY 29% OF HOMEOWNERS IN THE TWIN CITIES ARE BLACK, BUT BACK IN, LIKE, 1950, IT WAS 46%.

SO TRYING TO GET FOLKS INTO HOMES IS A WORTHY GOAL, RIGHT?

SO HOW WOULD YOU DO THAT?

WOULD YOU MAKE MORE MORTGAGE MONEY AVAILABLE?

COULD FOLKS GET MORTGAGE LOANS IN A DIFFERENT WAY?

TO OPEN THOSE DOORS.

>> YOU KNOW, GREAT QUESTION.

AND I THINK OVER TIME SPECIFIC DETAILS WILL START TO ROLL OUT.

BUT WE'RE LOOKING, NOT ONLY AT HOMEOWNERSHIP AND WHAT YOU DESCRIBE IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE MAKE MORTGAGES MORE AFFORDABLE, HOW DO WE WORK WITH BANKS TO ACHIEVE INTEREST RATES THAT WORK FOR FOLKS, BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT RENTAL HOUSING AS A STEP FOR FOLKS TO ACCESS THE TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT THAT'S GOING TO PUT THEM ON STABLE GROUND AND ALLOW THEM TO PURSUE PROSPERITY.

>> ric: ARE WEALTH -- OUR WEALTH DISPARITY IN MINNESOTA, LIKE SIXTH WORST, SIXTHING WORST IN THE COUNTRY.

-- SIXTH WORST IN THE COUNTRY.

WHERE DO YOU START?

I MEAN -- >> YOU START WITH ONE FOOT IN FRONT OF THE OTHER.

YOU KNOW?

AT GHR, OUR FOUNDATION, OUR FOUNDERS, THE LATE OPUS GROUP FOUNDERS, JERRY AND HENRIETTA ROUNDHORSE, WE HAVE GUIDING VALUES, ONE THAT I LOVE IS REIMAGINE WHAT'S POSSIBLE, RIGHT?

SO WHEN YOU LAY OUT THAT STATISTIC, THAT DATA, WE KNOW THAT THAT'S THE REALITY THAT WE'VE LIVED IN IN MINNESOTA, BUT IT'S A VERY PROSPEROUS STATE.

AND IT'S A VERY GIVING STATE.

MINNESOTA'S ALSO ONE OF THE MOST GIVING STATES.

>> Eric: WHY NO BLACK MIDDLE CLASS, UPPER MIDDLE CLASS LIKE YOU HAVE IN OTHER CITIES, CHARLOTTE, ATLANTA LOUISVILLE, THERE'S A LOT OF EXAMPLES.

>> I THINK WHO I HEARD SAID IT BEST IS SUSAN BASS ROBERTS, WHO LEADS THE POHLAD FOUNDATION, YOU KNOW, SHE SAID AT OUR ANNOUNCEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN RACE-SPECIFIC POLICIES AND PRACTICES THAT HAS REDLINING, KEPT PEOPLE OUT OF OPPORTUNITY.

SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY VERY INTENTIONAL IN MAKING SURE THAT WE CENTER RACE, RIGHT, CENTER THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN FURTHEST AWAY FROM PROSPERITY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, AND, SO, WHILE WE HAVE A HISTORY HERE OF NOT, YOU KNOW, ALL COMMUNITIES MOVING FORWARD, THEN ENJOYING THE FRUITS OF THIS REGION IN TERMS OF MINNESOTA, THE TWIN CITIES, I THINK THAT WE'RE AT A PLACE WHERE WE'RE LOOKING FOR A NEW NARRATIVE AND I'M JUST PLEASED THAT SO MANY FOLKS ARE AT THE TABLE IN OLIDARITY AGAIN TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

>> Cathy: ALL RIGHT.

WE WISH YOU WELL.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Cathy: THANK YOU.

HAVE YOU BACK AND GET A PROGRESS REPORT.

>> Eric: KEEP US POSTED.

>> YES, WE'LL HAVE AN UPDATE.

THAT'S THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

♪♪ >> ERIC: THE EYES OF THE NATION ARE AGAIN ON MINNESOTA, THIS TIME AS OUR STATE SUPREME COURT PROMISES QUICK ACTION DECIDING IF FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP CAN APPEAR ON THE PRIMARY BALLOT IN MINNESOTA WITH EARLY VOTING STARTING IN JANUARY.

POLITICAL REPORTER MARY LAHAMMER SHOWS US HOW THIS WEEK'S HEARING PROVED AN EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY WITH COMPLICATED CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTIONS IN THE BALANCE.

>> Mary: LONG BEFORE HE COURT CONVENED, PEOPLE LINED UP OUTSIDE IN HOPES OF GETTING INSIDE TO WITNESS HISTORY.

INCLUDING THIS YOUTH IN GOVERNMENT HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT FROM NEW PRAGUE, WHO WANTS TO STUDY LAW.

WHAT BROUGHT YOU, JUST AS A CITIZEN, YOU DECIDED YOU WANTED TO SHOW UP?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

SO OUR TEACHER INTRODUCED US THAT THE SUPREME COURT WAS GOING TO BE ARGUING WHETHER OR NOT TRUMP WOULD BE ALLOWED ON THE NEXT BALLOT.

AND WE'RE LIKE, IT'S EXTREMELY INTERESTING, OF COURSE, WE WANT TO HEAR IN ON THIS, SOON, NEXT YEAR WE'LL BE ABLE TO VOTE.

>> Mary: DID YOU GET PERMISSION TO COME TODAY?

>> YES, I DID GET PERMISSION.

>> Mary: YOUR PARENTS ARE SUPPORTIVE.

>> YES, THEY'RE SUPPORTIVE OF ME BEING POLITICALLY ACTIVE.

>> Mary: THEY HAD TO MOVE TO AN OVERFLOW ROOM.

>> WE APOLOGIZE, BUT THE GALLERY IS FULL AT THIS POINT.

>> JOAN GROWE, ET AL VS. SIMON.

>> Mary: BROUGHT THE SUIT CHALLENGING FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S ELIGIBILITY TO BE ON THE BALLOT IN THE STATE UNDER THE INSURRECTIONIST CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION.

>> PETITIONERS ASK THIS COURT TO UPHOLD THE U.S. CONSTITUTION AND DEFEND AMERICAN DEMOCRACY.

BEFORE THE 2020 ELECTION AND CULMINATING ON JANUARY 6th, 2021, DONALD TRUMP ENGAGED IN REBELLION AND INSURRECTION AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.

IN A DESPERATE ATTEMPT TO REMAIN IN OFFICE AFTER LOSING THE ELECTION.

>> SHOULD WE IS THE QUESTION THAT CONCERNS ME THE MOST.

AND I'M GETTING AT SOME OF THE POLITICAL QUESTION, ISSUES.

YOU HAVE THE POTENTIALALITY OF 50 DIFFERENT STATES WHO, DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE STATUTES IN THOSE STATES, DECIDING THIS QUESTION DIFFERENTLY, DECIDING WHETHER STATES HAVE THE RIGHT TO DETERMINE WHO'S ELIGIBLE FOR A NATIONAL OFFICE.

AND THAT CONCERNS ME THAT YOU HAVE THIS POSSIBILITY FOR, AS JUSTICE CHASE SAID, FOR JUST CHAOS.

>> CONGRESS IS THE ONE THAT'S ULTIMATELY IN SOME ARGUMENT ASSESSING THE QUALIFICATIONS, RIGHT?

I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S PARTLY WHAT THE REPUBLICANS -- WHAT THE TRUMP ARGUMENT IS.

THAT THERE'S BUILT INTO OUR CONSTITUTION IS THAT.

AND BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT, YOU KNOW, IS ELECTED BY ELECTORS, AS OPPOSED TO DIRECTLY ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE, THAT REALLY IS A DECISION OF CONGRESS TO ASSESS THOSE QUALIFICATIONS.

>> Mary: JUSTICES APPOINTED BY DEMOCRATS IN THE STATE SEEM SKEPTICAL OF WEIGHING IN TO THE POLITICAL ISSUE, WHICH REPUBLICAN ATTORNEYS ALSO ARGUED.

>> THERE IS NO MORE POLITICAL QUESTION IN OUR CONSTITUTIONAL ORDER THAN WHO SHOULD BE PRESIDENT.

THAT'S THE PREDOMINANT FEATURE OF OUR NATIONAL POLITICAL CONVERSATION AND THE CONSTITUTION ITSELF DEVOTES MORE WORDS AND MORE PROVISIONS TO HOW WE DECIDE THAT QUESTION THAN JUST ABOUT ANY OTHER.

>> WHEN PARTIES ASK THE COURTS TO TEP INTO THAT PROCESS AND TO DECIDE WHO CAN OR CAN'T BE PRESIDENT, THE COURTS OVERWHELMINGLY SAY, THAT'S NOT A DECISION THAT SHOULD BE MADE IN THE JUDICIARY.

THAT'S A DECISION THAT SHOULD BE MADE ELSEWHERE.

>> THE STATES HAVE A MUCH LOWER INTEREST IN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS THAN THEY DO IN ANY OTHER TYPE OF LOCAL ELECTION.

BUT THE FUNCTION OF A PRIMARY IS REALLY A PURELY POLITICAL MECHANISM FOR HELPING THE PARTY DETERMINE WHO ITS STANDARD BEARER IS GOING TO BE.

>> THE CONSTITUTION ITSELF SPECIFICALLY GIVES TO STATES THE AUTHORITY TO DEAL WITH ELECTIONS.

>> Mary: TRUMP PLANS TO BE ON THE PRIMARY BALLOT IN MINNESOTA TO E HELD ON MARCH 5th.

>> MINNESOTA'S ELECTION SYSTEM IS THE ENVY OF THE NATION.

THAT'S IN LARGE PART BECAUSE OUR COUNTY AND MUNICIPAL ELECTION OFFICIALS ARE THE ENVY OF THE NATION.

THE SECRETARY'S CENTRAL CONCERN HERE IS THAT ALL OF THESE FOLKS ARE GIVEN THE TIME THAT THEY NEED TO DO THEIR WORK, PREPARING FOR THE MARCH ELECTION.

MINNESOTA'S ELECTION OFFICIALS NEED THIS PETITION TO BE DETERMINED NO LATER THAN JANUARY th.

>> Mary: MINNESOTA'S HIGH COURT IS EXPECTED TO RULE QUICKLY ON TRUMP'S ELIGIBILITY ON THE MINNESOTA BALLOT AND LEGAL EXPERTS SEE THIS EVENTUALLY GOING TO THE U.S. SUPREME COURT.

>> WE APPRECIATED THAT THE JUSTICES HAD SEARCHING QUESTIONS FOR BOTH SIDES.

WE FELT LIKE IT WAS WELL ARGUED ON ALL PARTS.

>> THIS QUESTION SHOULD BE DECIDED IMMEDIATELY, THAT THE COURT HAS THE LEGAL CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY TO DECIDE THIS QUESTION.

>> I WAS PLEASED WITH WHAT I HEARD, SAW TODAY.

>> I WAS SECRETARY OF STATE FOR SO MANY YEARS, AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN INTERESTED IN GOVERNMENT, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN INTERESTED IN DEMOCRACY, I ALWAYS WANTED PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE.

AND IT SEEMED LIKE A WAY TO HAVE A BETTER GOVERNMENT, A BETTER PARTICIPATION.

♪♪ >> ERIC: WILL FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP BE ON THE BALLOT HERE IN MINNESOTA?

HOW DID BIDEN'S NORTHFIELD FARM VISIT GO?

AND WHY WAS THE CURRENT PRESIDENT IN MINNESOTA EARLIER THIS WEEK?

TIME TO CHECK IN WITH AN ESTEEMED DUO OF OUR POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSORS.

DAVID SCHULTZ TEACHES POLITICS AT HAMLINE UNIVERSITY AND IS ALSO AN ADJUNCT LAW PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA.

AND WE WELCOME BACK STEVEN SCHIER, PROFESSOR EMERITUS AT CARLETON COLLEGE.

WELL, PROFESSOR SCHULTZ, 14TH AMENDMENT SECTION 3 PROHIBITS A PERSON FROM HOLDING OFFICE FOR, QUOTE, ENGAGING IN INSURRECTION OR REBELLION OR GIVING AID AND COMFORT TO THOSE WHO DID.

NOBODY'S CONVICTED PRESIDENT TRUMP ON HIS INSURRECTION CHARGE.

WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?

>> WHAT THEY'RE USING IS SOME PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO USE THIS INSURRECTION CLAUSE TO OBVIOUSLY EXCLUDE HIM FROM THE BALLOT.

ACTUALLY TO SAY, FIRST, THAT HE'S INELIGIBLE TO BECOME PRESIDENT AND, THEREFORE, CAN'T APPEAR ON THE BALLOT IN MINNESOTA IN 2024.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S UNLIKELY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PREVAIL.

MY SORT OF GUESS IS LISTENING TO EVERYTHING CAME DOWN TO A STATEMENT BY CHIEF JUSTICE HUDSON, AT ONE POINT SHE SAID, EVEN IF LEGALLY WE CAN DO THIS, SHOULD WE DO THIS?

AND SHE TALKED ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF SAYING, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE SHOULD DEFER TO THE POLITICAL PROCESS TO MAKE A DECISION.

>> Eric: DON'T YOU THINK IT'S A LITTLE BANANA REPUBLICKISH -- >> YES.

>> Eric: -- TO BAN THE CHIEF OPPONENT OF THE SITTING PRESIDENT FROM RUNNING IN THE ELECTION?

>> WELL, I THINK CHIEF JUSTICE HUDSON SAID THERE WOULD BE CHAOS IF EACH STATE COULD MAKE THAT CALL.

>> YES.

>> IN SOME STATES TRUMP BE COULD BE ON THE BALLOT AND OTHER STATES HE COULDN'T AND THAT WOULD REALLY MAKE OUR PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION A FARCE.

ULTIMATELY, YOU WOULD NEED A NATIONAL RULING ON THIS BY THE U.S. SUPREME COURT IF IT GETS THAT FAR.

THAT'S HOW IT WOULD BE CONCLUDED.

>> EXCEPT I DON'T THINK THE COURT WILL DO THAT.

>> RIGHT.

>> PARTLY BECAUSE, AGAIN, I THINK THE COURT HERE, MINNESOTA SUPREME COURT, IT WILL BE 5-0, THEY'LL DISMISS WITHOUT RENDERING A JUDGMENT.

THEY'LL JUST SAY, WE DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION TO HEAR THE CASE.

BUT THE BROADER POINT HERE IS THAT A QUARTER CENTURY AGO, A U.S. SUPREME COURT WAS HEAVILY CRITICIZED IN BUSH V. GORE, FOR WHAT ALLEGEDLY WAS DETERMINING WHO WOULD BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

I DON'T THINK THE COURT, SUPREME COURT, WANTS TO REALLY GET INVOLVED IN THIS.

AND EVEN IF IT GETS UP TO THERE, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO FIND A VARIETY OF REASONS AND WAYS NOT TO HAVE TO RULE ON THIS.

>> WELL, YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS COURT HAS FACED A REAL POLITICAL BACKLASH ON ITS DOBBS ABORTION DECISION.

>> CORRECT.

>> AND I HINK IT DOESN'T WANT TO WADE INTO TROUBLESOME POLITICAL WATERS AGAIN.

>> YEAH.

I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT A PRECEDENT ISSUE HERE, TOO.

IS THAT IF YOU START TO NOW LET ONE SIDE PUSH TRUMP OFF THE BALLOT, IS THERE GOING TO BE PRESSURE FOR SOMEBODY TO MAKE UP SOMETHING AND GO TO ANOTHER STATE AND SAY, BIDEN SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE ON THE BALLOT FOR A ARIETY OF REASONS.

>> RIGHT.

>> WE'RE GETTING INTO A POLITICAL TVMENT IT FOR TAT, MUCH LIKE WE'VE TURNED UPPEACHMENT INTO A TIT FOR TAT.

>> Cathy: DOES IT ALSO MAKE A DIFFERENCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A STATE PRIMARY BALLOT?

>> AND THAT'S A QUESTION THAT THE MINNESOTA SUPREME COURT WAS TALKING ABOUT IS THAT THEY WERE ASKING, DOES IT TAKE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRIMARY VERSUS GENERAL ELECTION?

AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, EVEN THOUGH RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE DONALD TRUMP MIGHT BE THE NOMINEE, BUT GUESS WHAT?

WE DON'T KNOW IF HE'S GOING TO APPEAR ON THE GENERAL ELECTION BALLOT.

AND THE COURT COULD SIMPLY SAY, IT IS JUST -- TO USE A LEGAL TERM -- THE CASE IS NOT RIPE AT THIS POINT.

WAIT UNTIL HE'S GOT THE NOMINATION, WAIT UNTIL WE KNOW.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THINK ABOUT IT, HE'S FACING FOUR CRIMINAL SUITS, 91 INDICTMENTS, HE'S GOT TO GO THROUGH THE PRIMARY PROCESS.

POTENTIALLY HE MIGHT NOT GET THE NOMINATION.

>> RIGHT.

RIGHT.

>> Eric: WHY DON'T WE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT GAZA AND ISRAEL AND OU TWO WOULD BE PERFECT FELLAS TO TALK ABOUT FREE SPEECH ON CAMPUS.

>> OH, BOY.

>> Eric: AND THE DEMOCRATS BEING A LITTLE BIT DIVIDED.

>> OH, VERY MUCH SO.

WELL, IT'S GENERATIONAL, YOU KNOW.

YOUNGER DEMOCRATS ARE MUCH MORE SYMPATHETIC TO THE PALESTINIAN CAUSE, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION OF HAMAS IN THIS CONFLICT THAN A LOT OF OLDER DEMOCRATS DO.

AND THIS IS NOW BECOMING A POLITICAL PROBLEM FOR THE ADMINISTRATION.

MICHIGAN S A SWING STATE.

THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT MUSLIM POPULATION AND A MUSLIM MEMBER OF THE HOUSE, TLAIB FROM THE DETROIT AREA.

AND DEERBORN IS A HEAVILY MUSLIM COMMUNITY IN MICHIGAN.

AND NOW YOU'RE SEEING THE WHITE HOUSE ARGUING FOR AN ISLAM PHOBIA INITIATIVE PROBABLY IN RESPONSE TO THE CONCERNS ABOUT THEIR ELECTORAL PROSPECTS IN MICHIGAN.

IT'S A DELICATE SITUATION IN TERMS OF DOMESTIC POLITICS FOR THIS ADMINISTRATION.

>> IT'S ALSO INTERESTING, I JUST GOT BACK FROM THE LAST TWO WEEKS OF TEACHING IN EUROPE, AND I'M NOW FACULTY AT THE LITHUANIAN MILITARY ACADEMY.

AND I MENTION THIS BECAUSE WHEN YOU TALK TO EUROPEANS, THEY VIEW THIS SSUE VERY VERY DIFFERENTLY.

THAT FOR THEM, THE CONCERN IS ABOUT WHAT ISRAEL IS DOING AND THE UNITED TATES SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL, A, IS DISTRACTING THE UNITED STATES FROM UKRAINE, AND, B, THEY'RE VERY MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE ISRAELI RESPONSE IS GOING TO PRODUCE A NEW GLOBAL REFUGEE CRISIS THAT'S FOR BIGGER PROBLEMS.

SO, IT'S JUST INTERESTING TO THINK ABOUT THE DYNAMICS OF OUR DOMESTIC DIALOGUE VERSUS THE DIALOGUE THAT'S TAKING PLACE INTERNATIONALLY.

>> Cathy: THAT IS INTERESTING.

>> YEAH, YEAH.

>> Cathy: ANOTHER BIG STORY, OF COURSE, THE PRESIDENT WAS IN MINNESOTA EARLIER THIS WEEK.

COINCIDENCE OR NOT THAT HE WAS AT A FARM IN NORTHFIELD, MINNESOTA, WELL, ABOUT A WEEK BEFORE -- AFTER DEAN PHILLIPS ANNOUNCED HE WAS RUNNING AGAINST BIDEN?

>> SECOND CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE MOST COMPETITIVE U.S. HOUSE RACE IN THE STATE.

SO THAT'S NOT COINCIDENTAL.

I THINK THIS WAS PROBABLY PLANNED BEFORE DEAN PHILLIPS.

I THINK THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO DEMONSTRATE HIS ABILITY O APPEAL TO A BROADER CONSTITUENCY THAN HE HAS IN THE PAST.

AND THAT WOULD BE THE RURAL CONSTITUENCY.

SEE, ANY RURAL VOTES BIDEN CAN GET IS A HUGE ADVANTAGE FOR HIM IN A LOT OF SWING STATES BECAUSE HE'S SO FAR EHIND TRUMP AMONGST RURAL VOTERS.

SO MAKING A STOP LIKE THIS IS A PLAY FOR THAT.

AND ALSO TRYING TO HELP POTENTIALLY ENDANGERED INCUMBENT ANGIE CRAIG IN THE SECOND DISTRICT.

>> Eric: NOW, DEAN PHILLS I ALSO GOT A LITTLE -- PHILLIPS GOT A LITTLE BACKLASH AT A Q&A TOWN FORUM WHERE HE KIND OF FUMBLED THE QUESTION OF A POTENTIAL CEASE-FIRE.

>> YEAH.

I MEAN, HIS CAMPAIGN IS PROBABLY NOT OFF TO THE BEST START IN THE WORLD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

MAY BE AN UNDERSTATEMENT.

PARTLY YOU HAVE THE PROBLEM OF PEOPLE ARE, LIKE, DEAN WHO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> RIGHT.

>> BUT, REMEMBER, HIS EXPERTISE IS NOT FOREIGN POLICY.

RIGHT OFF THE BAT.

AND IT'S PROBABLY THE WEAKEST AREA HE IS, AND HE'S BEING PROBED ON A REALLY TOUGH ISSUE, AGAIN, FOR DEMOCRATS.

BUT THE OTHER THING TO THINK ABOUT HERE, IF YOU LISTEN TO THE CIRCLES WITHIN MINNESOTA, AT ONE POINT, DEAN PHILLIPS WAS VIEWED AS POTENTIALLY SOMEBODY WITH STATEWIDE OFFICE IN MINNESOTA, HE IS SIGNIFICANTLY DAMAGED HIMSELF, AS I TALK TO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA AT THIS POINT.

AND HE'S CERTAINLY NOT HELPING HIMSELF NATIONALLY BY CHALLENGING BIDEN.

EVEN THOUGH A GOOD ARGUMENT CAN BE MADE, IS THAT BIDEN PROBABLY NEEDS A CHALLENGE TO PROVE THAT HE'S UP TO RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.

>> RIGHT, NO, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT A MINNESOTAN IN 1968, SENATOR EUGENE McCARTHY, GOT 42% OF THE VOTE.

>> YES.

>> AND LYNDON JOHNSON GOT 48% AND THREE WEEKS LATER HE DROPPED OUT OF THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE AS AN INCUMBENT PRESIDENT.

COULD IT HAPPEN AGAIN?

POSSIBLY.

I ALSO THINK, YOU CAN EXPECT THAT DEAN PHILLIPS WILL HAVE A ROUGH START.

THE QUESTION IS, HOW'S HE DOING IN FEBRUARY?

>> RIGHT.

>> AND IF YOU START LOW, THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY TO GO.

AND THAT'S UP.

>> Cathy: YOU KNOW, I WAS TALKING TO HIM EARLIER THIS WEEK, AND HE WAS, I ASKED HIM ABOUT THE CRITICISM HE'S BEEN GETTING FROM OTHER DFLers.

>> RIGHT.

>> Cathy: SOME PRETTY HARSH CRITICISM, YOU KNOW.

>> YES.

>> Cathy: THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THE POLITICAL MACHINE TRYING TO PROTECT ITS OWN, IN THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SUPPRESS HIM.

DO VOTERS LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, YES, NO, OR MAYBE SO TO THIS?

>> I THINK ONLY THE HARD-CORE DEMOCRATS REALLY CARE ABOUT THIS.

THIS IS LIKE INSIDE BASEBALL.

BUT WHEN IT GETS DOWN TO THE ISSUE OF PERHAPS, IF WE WERE JUST A PRESIDENTIAL CAUCUS SYSTEM, I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE OF A PROBLEM HERE.

WITH A PRIMARY, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO AFFECT SOME OF THE VOTERS, BUT -- >> KEEP IN MIND THAT BIDEN WAS VERY WEAK IN NEW HAMPSHIRE IN 2020.

>> YEAH.

>> HE FINISHED FIFTH.

HE GOT 8% OF THE VOTE.

>> YEAH.

>> RIGHT NOW HE'S RUNNING IN A CROWDED HYPOTHETICAL FIELD IN THE POLLS AT 29% AMONGST DEMOCRATS.

>> YEAH.

>> NOT GOOD.

>> MY COMMENT WAS ABOUT MINNESOTA, NOT ABOUT NEW HAMPSHIRE, BY THE WAY.

>> Eric: NEW HAMPSHIRE DOESN'T MATTER, THERE ARE NO DELEGATES, THE NEW HAMPSHIRE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE MAD AT BIDEN, MAD AT THE DEMOCRATS.

IF THEY WANT TO SEND A MESSAGE, THERE IS DEAN PHILLIPS.

>> RIGHT.

AND THE MEDIA WILL MAKE IT A BIG EVENT.

>> OF COURSE.

>> REGARDLESS OF THE DELEGATE COUNT.

I WAS A BIG EVENT -- IOWA IS A BIG EVENT, THE DELEGATE COUNT THERE IS TINY COMPARED TO HE OVERALL NOMINATION.

SAME DYNAMIC WILL WORK IN NEW HAMPSHIRE.

>> YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THE MOST IMPORTANT, YOU JUST HAVE TO BE HE FIRST.

>> Eric: EVEN THOUGH IT HAS FEW ELECTORAL VOTES, THEY'LL BE IMPORTANT IN NOVEMBER, NEW HAMPSHIRE.

>> THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST.

YEAH.

>> Cathy: ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD ABOUT THE NEW HOUSE SPEAKER, THAT YOU'VE SEEN?

>> HE'S A LOW-KEY FELLOW.

HE'S TRYING SOME ADVENTUROUS CONSERVATIVE APPROACHES TO SPENDING POLICY IN CURRENT AGENDA ITEMS.

IT'S UNCLEAR IF HE CAN NEGOTIATE SUCCESSFULLY WITH OTHER CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS.

SHUTDOWN ON THE 17th?

>> YEAH.

CLOSE.

>> YEAH.

>> CLOSE.

>> Cathy: I LIKE THAT, YEAH, CLOSE.

>> THAT'S TWO YESES.

>> Eric: VERY GOOD.

>> Cathy: THANKS, GUYS, APPRECIATE IT.

>> WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST CAR?

>> A '73 CHEVYCA MAR OWE LT. >> Eric: MUSCLE CAR.

>> THAT'S A POWERFUL CAR.

>> THAT'S SO FUNNY, MINE WAS A '78CA MAR OWE.

I'M JUST A LITTLE BIT YOUNGER, APPARENTLY.

>> CATHY: WE DID, OF COURSE, ASK LOTS OF SERIOUS QUESTIONS THAT NIGHT AS WELL, BUT IT'S ALWAYS FUN TO MIX IT UP WITH QUICK, SHORT ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT AREN'T POLICY FOCUSED.

WE ONCE ASKED CANDIDATES WHAT THEIR FAVORITE MIDNIGHT SNACK WAS, AND SOMEONE SAID A BOWL OF CHEERIOS.

WE SHOULD MAKE THAT AN INDEX FILE QUESTION SOME WEEK... LAST WEEK'S INDEX FILE QUESTION INVOLVED AN EVENT THAT TOOK PLACE IN THE FALL OF 1980 AT THE OLD MET CENTER.

ERIC TOLD YOU THE MULTIPLE DAY FIRST-OF-ITS-KIND PERFORMANCE WAS WILDLY SUCCESSFUL IN BLOOMINGTON, MINNESOTA.

BUT SLIPPED IN THE NEXT SEVERAL TOWNS ON THE TOUR BEFORE A SUCCESSFUL DECADES-LONG RUN CAME TO A HALT DURING COVID IN 2020.

ERIC THEN THREW IN SOME MYSTERIOUS HINTS AND ASKED YOU THIS QUESTION.

WHAT WAS THIS "MYSTERY" EVENT IN THE FALL OF 1980?

THIS WEEK'S WRONG ANSWERS ARE FROM A TRIO OF REGULAR VIEWERS.

>> Cathy: THANK YOU, FRITZ.

AT LEAST TWO OF THOSE ANSWERS WERE SERIOUS GUESSES, I THINK.

BUT ALL THREE WERE DEFINITELY WRONG.

FOR THIS WEEK'S RIGHT ANSWER, HERE'S BONNIE.

>> Cathy: YOU ARE WELCOME, BONNIE.

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