- [Announcer] Pennsylvania saw many battles during the war for independence.

Many forts still stand as a reminder of those heroic times.

Fort Roberdeau was built to protect a vital material.

Do you know what that material was?

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Here's the host of The Pennsylvania Game, Lynn Hinds.

(audience applauds) - Hey, thank you.

Thank you, thank you, All right.

We've got a great show with a nice panel and some challenging questions.

After the last show that we did, I made much harder questions, but I got a much harder panel.

He's back with us, and he enjoys getting them right, Bernie Asbell.

(audience applauds) Every Saturday morning, she plays folk music just for me on the radio.

She's Tina Hay.

- [Audience] Tina, Tina, Tina, Tina.

- [Lynn] And she brought her own fan club, I might add.

And she is a news director from radio station in Lewistown, Lewistown, not Lewisburgh.

- [Kelly] Lewistown.

- [Lynn] Kelly Barron-Ott.

(audience cheers) - First question takes us back to Revolutionary War days, times that were tough, and when men were men and so forth.

- [Announcer] Fort Roberdeau in Sinking Valley, Blair County, was hastily built in 1778.

Pennsylvania settlers built the fort to protect a much needed scarce material.

Was that material, A, saltpeter, B, lead, C, sulfur, or D, salt?

- Now all those of course were needed material.

Saltpeter used to manufacture gun powder, I believe.

Salt, you had to have to cure food and so forth.

So all of those are, are pretty legitimate answers, but which one, Bernie Asbell, is the question?

Built a fort to protect.

- Well, I know why saltpeter is important in wartime, and it's not for the reason you said.

(audience laughs) So let's take that.

- That's another usage for it, I believe.

You pick A, okay.

Tina Hay?

- I wish you had started with something easy.

I'm new, and I need, you know, something that's.

- [Lynn] Nothing to this, it's just pick which one of those four is right.

- Lead seems like an obvious thing you would need.

- [Lynn] It does seem obvious, yeah, we missed.

(audience cheers) - I'm ashamed, I lived in Blair County for a while and I should know this.

- [Lynn] Yeah.

- I'll go with saltpeter.

- [Lynn] Okay.

- Cause Bernie said it.

- [Lynn] Okay, two A's and a B, all right.

I must tell you the folks that lived down there in Blair County have done a magnificent job of restoring this Fort to the way it looked in the Revolutionary War.

- [Announcer] The answer is B, lead.

(audience cheers) During the Revolutionary War, the Colonial Army had a shortage of lead for bullets.

General Daniel Roberdeau found lead deposits in Sinking Valley, then a part of Bedford County.

He built the Fort and sent to Valley Forge for lead smelters.

The operation continued for three years before the fort was abandoned.

Fort Roberdeau was rebuilt for the bicentennial and your visit is welcome.

- And it is a real nice place to visit, if you're down that way, in Blair County, near Altoona, stop by and see Fort Roberdeau.

They sent to Valley Forge for people to say, how do you do this lead stuff?

And it was a very valuable, valuable fort at that time.

Want to thank Peter Krisha of Homer City, Pennsylvania, for sending in this next question.

And because he sent it in, why WPSX and Pennsylvania Magazine are glad to give him a year's free subscription to Pennsylvania Magazine.

It's about something Pennsylvania produces.

- [Announcer] Pennsylvanians raise a lot of Christmas trees, as you undoubtedly know, but one county in particular, is called the Christmas tree capital of the world.

Is that county A, Forest, B, Beaver C, Indiana, or D Wyoming?

- Now Tina Hay went with the obvious last time and picked lead.

The obvious, I suppose, this time for raising trees would be Forest County.

Are you going with the obvious this time or something else, Tina?

- Or beaver, because beavers like trees.

- [Lynn] That's true, that's true.

- Indiana runs in my mind for no particular reason.

(audience cheers) - [Lynn] Your fans are gonna love whatever you pick, Tina, even if you're wrong.

Kelly?

- I know this one's Indiana.

- [Lynn] You do?

You're confident of that.

- My sister goes to college there, she knows.

- [Lynn] Well, there you are.

Bernie?

- Well, now I know that it's Indiana too, but I was gonna say Forest.

- [Lynn] And so you're gonna be honest and still take Forest?

[Audience Member] Hey, good guy.

- I'm just that sort of fellow.

- [Lynn] Bernie's honest, but not terribly bright.

- [Bernie] I'm a loser.

- Let's see what is the right answer?

- [Announcer] The answer is C, Indiana.

Although lots of Christmas trees grow in lots of counties, Indiana County is called the Christmas tree capital of the world.

(laughs) - Okay, well, yeah, we'll give you a subscription so you can read about it, Bernie.

Let's talk to Tina Hay a little bit.

Tina, as I said, plays folk music just for me on the radio every Saturday morning.

- Although I didn't realize it it was just for you.

- [Lynn] Well you probably have other people who listen in to our show with you.

But I love it.

You've been many things.

You've been been disk jockey for rock and roll, as well as for folk music.

You have been a sports reporter.

- I was a newscaster and a sportscaster here in State College for eight or 10 years.

- [Lynn] Yeah.

- Covered Penn State football for a number of years.

- [Lynn] Is that kind of tough being a female and a sports reporter?

- Yeah, there are some pretty obvious limitations.

- [Lynn] Yeah.

- You have to overcome.

- [Bernie] She announces the women's basketball games for Penn State on the floor, there.

- Bernie is my personal PR agent.

- [Lynn] Yes he is, and gets 10 percent of all that you allegedly make.

And we have a great women's basketball team here at Penn State, let me tell you.

It's a fun team.

Yeah, and Kelly Barron-Ott, from Lewistown.

- [Kelly] Um-hmm.

- I never know when to say Lewisburgh or Lewistown.

I don't know why I have that problem.

- You're not the only one, a lot of people, but Lewistowners get very insulted when we don't know, when people get them confused.

- [Lynn] Yeah, well it's a definite difference.

And you're the news director on W?

- MRF and WIEZ.

- [Lynn] IEZ, that was what I was thinking about, yeah.

So you and Tina have a lot in common with the radio background and so forth.

Let's see if you don't whisper with each other though.

This next one is about an ethnic group that settled in Pennsylvania, something they brought with them.

- [Announcer] We're all familiar with the Easter Bunny and his basket of colored eggs.

Did you know that early Pennsylvanians brought this custom to America?

Who brought the Easter Bunny?

A, the Swedes, B, the Poles, C, the Scots, or D, the Germans?

- What kind of a name is Barron-Ott, Kelly?

- It's a mixture.

- [Lynn] Ah-ha, just not gonna help, by going by your name.

Which of these groups brought the custom of the Easter Bunny to America.

They were, so a Pennsylvania group, which one?

Swedes, Poles, Scot's or Germans?

- My husband's name's Scott, so I'll go with Scott.

- [Lynn] So you're going with Scott, uh-huh.

Okay, that's that's very nice.

Bernie?

- There's a great Slavic festival here and where they, where egg painting is a great Slavic tradition.

So I will say that that's connected and I'll go with Poles.

- [Lynn] Poland, okay, that's a very good logic there.

Tina?

- I don't know, Pennsylvania has such a strong German tradition.

(audience cheers) - What's this going on out here?.

- [Lynn] Why did I know that whatever you picked you were gonna get support for?

Well, let's see, we've got three different answers.

Which one is right here?

- [Announcer] The answer is D, the Germans.

(audience claps) The Pennsylvania German society preserves the art of decorating eggs on Good Friday.

One method is scratch colored eggs, with colors boiled into the egg, then scratched away to form a design.

A favorite motif is a Distelfink or a Thistle Finch.

Tradition says the rabbit lays the eggs, then delivers them in the Easter basket.

Eggs are often placed in crocus beds in Lancaster County, a flower valued for flavoring traditional German foods.

- Tina Hay has three outta three, we've not stumped her yet.

Which means of course, that Tina Hay will never be invited back to our panel.

Let's hear it for Bernie and Kelly, 'cause they need encouragement.

(audience cheers) Tina was worried about not getting any right before we started, boy did you con me, kiddo.

Here is clue Number One, for our Mystery Pennsylvanian, and there'll be two more clues during the show.

The first clue is this, she discovered her life's work at age five, working in the red clay of North Carolina.

That gives you some facts about her life.

She discovered her life's work at age five, working in the red clay of North Carolina.

Panel, if you know the answer, just write it down under line Number One.

If you don't know it yet, don't worry.

There will be two more clues, as I say.

This next one is a man who almost became world-famous.

He just missed by, oh, couple of weeks.

You'll see.

- [Announcer] In the late 1800s, Samuel Pierpont Langley was professor of physics and astronomy at Western University, now the University of Pittsburgh.

He was also director of the Allegheny Observatory.

During this time, his experiments helped make a famous invention possible.

Was the famous invention, A, the airplane, B, the telephone, C, the phonograph, or D, self-starter for automobiles.

- Now I'm gonna tell you that if he had been just a couple of weeks sooner, his name would be famous instead of one of these four famous names.

So there you are, and Bernie Asbell, we're back to you for the first choice.

Who do you, what do you pick?

Samuel Pierpont Langley, almost invented which one?

But his work did make it possible for whoever did get the credit.

- I think he was two weeks after Edison on the phonograph.

- [Lynn] Um-hmm, okay.

All right, that's a good number, C there.

Okay, Tina?

- That's a useful clue, I, have no idea who invented the airplane or the self-starter for automobiles.

So it must be either B or C. And since Bernie said C, I have to say B.

- [Lynn] Okay, we have a C and a B.

(audience cheers) - [Lynn] Yeah I knew they'd like that.

- And since Tina said B, I'll say B.

(audience laughs) - [Lynn] Well, let me put it this way, Kelly, would you rather be applauded by the audience or would you rather be right in your answer?

That's the, sort of the.

- I'd rather be right.

- [Audience Member] Both.

- [Lynn] Both would be good, yeah, if that's possible.

Let's see if we stump them this time.

- [Announcer] The answer is A, the airplane.

Samuel Langley's paper, Experiment in Aerodynamics, was studied by the Wright brothers.

Langley's model with a 14-foot wingspan actually flew 4,200 feet.

This Langley model is suspended inside a building at the University of Pittsburgh.

- And he had a plane that he flew.

He had moved from Pittsburgh to Washington, DC, where he worked at the Smithsonian, directed the Smithsonian, and he had a plane that flew and it flew actually unmanned, further than the Wright brothers, but it crashed, - [Bernie] Un-personed?

- [Lynn] In the river, un-personed, it unstaffed, it fell into the river and everybody laughed at him and said, planes will never fly.

And then then about two weeks later, at Kittyhawk, the Wright brothers went into, you know, their names went down in history.

So we could be talking about Sam Langley as the inventor of the airplane.

And it was his work that made the Wright brothers' stuff possible.

Let's press right along here and come up to Northern Pennsylvania for a product that did work right, well.

- [Announcer] It was 1932, and during the depression, that George Blaisdell started the Zippo Company.

Working with three employees, he produced and sold Zippo lighters with the same slogan in use today.

What is Zippos' slogan?

- A, another American classic, B, the lighter that lasts a lifetime, C, it puts a spark in your life, or D, the lighter that works?

- You didn't think I was gonna ask what he invented, Bernie, and you were gonna say Zippo lighter.

- [Bernie] Yeah, that's right.

- Well, we didn't make it that easy this time.

Tina, you're first on this one.

The choices are another American classic, that's A.

B, the lighter that lasts a lifetime, C, it puts a spark in your life, or D, the lighter that works.

- Gosh.

- B and D sound familiar.

- [Lynn] They all sound familiar, and I can't remember which is right, tell you the truth.

What do you think?

- Well, I'm gonna be loved no matter what I say.

- [Lynn] That's right.

(audience laughs) Our audience loves you, Tina.

- I think B is a more creative slogan, but since it was so long ago, they weren't very creative back then and so I say D. - [Lynn] D, the lighter that works, okay.

- I think it's B, even though I don't think lighters can last a lifetime.

- [Lynn] Well, the life of the lighter, maybe, is what they're talking about.

- But I'll go with B.

- Let's see, I bought a fountain pen like that once, and I said, it was supposed to last a lifetime.

He said the life of the fountain pen, we weren't talking about your life, so, you know.

- When I was in the infantry and had a Zippo lighter, it never lasted a lifetime.

'cause I always lost 'em.

- [Lynn] Yeah, that's the other thing.

- But they always worked, they always, whoops, wrong, wrong, D, D, D, D, D. - [Lynn] You're going for D. - Yeah, but they all, so that they would say the lighter that worked.

- [Lynn] They also have a nice guarantee about fixing them anytime, if they break you send it back and they.

What's the right answer here?

- The answer is D, the lighter that works.

(audience cheers) Zippo does believe that a lighter should last a lifetime.

If it doesn't work, Zippo will fix it, free.

During World War II, GIs took Zippo lighters with them around the world.

As sales grew, the company grew, moving from above a garage to a spacious modern headquarters.

Although you can buy a Zippo that has a sophisticated, modern look, the basic Zippo today is much like the 1932 original, and really has become an classic.

- It has, it's a company Pennsylvania can be proud of, and they really do last a lifetime.

And I'm with you, Bernie, the only Zippos I've ever had that didn't last a lifetime, were the ones that I lost.

Tina has taken an overwhelming, commanding lead.

Tina Hey.

(audience cheers) - [Lynn] Tina has.

- [Bernie] Would you believe that Tina says she doesn't know those people?

- Well, I believe that, certainly.

Some of my best fans have never heard of me.

Let's go to clue Number Two, for our Mystery Pennsylvanian.

Think about that, folks.

Both New Hope and Pittsburgh, are her Pennsylvania homes an art center in Pittsburgh is named for her.

Both New Hope and Pittsburgh are her Pennsylvania homes an art center in Pittsburgh is named for her.

And the first clue was she discovered her life's work at age five, working in the red clay of North Carolina, Who is our mystery Pennsylvanian?

If, you know, write it down under, line Number Two.

If not, keep thinking.

And if you have an idea for a Mystery Pennsylvanian or for a question, we'd love to use a question from your area.

Write to us in care of Pennsylvania Game, Wagner Annex, University Park, Pennsylvania, 16802.

Rosemary Hughes, Mrs. Hughes, from Camp Hill, Pennsylvania, wrote to us, and we have WPSX and Pennsylvania Magazine presenting her with a year's subscription to Pennsylvania Magazine for submitting this question.

This question is about a Pennsylvania governor who did something no other governor can claim.

- [Announcer] Pennsylvania Governor John C. Bell, did something no other Pennsylvania governor can claim.

What did he do?

A, serve as us minister to Russia, B, serve as mayor of San Francisco C, serve just 20 days as governor or D, serve as a high school principal.

- Well, there is a smorgasbord of choices, Kelly Barron-Ott, it's your turn to go first on this one, John Bell.

- I tempted to say he was mayor of San Francisco.

That was the most unlikely, but.

- [Lynn] Yeah.

- But that's too weird.

- I will tell you, if it will help you, that there was a governor who was the first mayor of San Francisco.

- [Kelly] There was a governor.

- Um-hmm, one of Pennsylvania's governors.

I'm not saying it was this one, but it could have been.

I will also tell you that there was a Pennsylvania governor who was minister to Russia, I will tell you that there was one who served just 20 days, and one who served his high school principal.

Those are all accurate answers, but not necessarily for John Bell.

- I think he served just 20 days.

- Why do you think he served just 20 days?

(audience cheers) - [Tina] I love you, Kelly.

- I don't know.

- Bernie, John C. Bell?

- I knew that there was a governor who served as mayor of San Francisco, and for that reason, I was gonna take him.

Now that you said so much.

- [Lynn] They're all accurate of one or another of Pennsylvania's governors, all of these answers.

- Not because Kelly said so, I don't think he was minister to Russia.

I'm gonna take C. (audience cheers) - [Bernie] Is that C?

- [Lynn] That's C, okay Tina?

- I'm struck by this overwhelming flood of insecurity.

(laughs) - [Lynn] I love it.

If you go with the crowd, even if you're wrong, nobody notices.

What is the answer?

Are they all right or all wrong?

- [Announcer] The answer is C. John C Bell became governor for just 20 days when Governor Edward Martin resigned to become Senator.

Governor Andrew Curtin was minister to Russia.

Governor John Geary was San Francisco's mayor.

Governor Daniel Hastings was principal of Bellefonte High School, but John C. Bell was Pennsylvania's governor for the shortest time.

- [Lynn] It was governor John Geary, who was the first mayor of San Francisco.

But there, each governor, there was a governor for every category.

I didn't fib to you about that.

This next one is just a delightful question.

And the answer will intrigue you.

Let's see if you can get it.

- [Announcer] Philadelphia started it in 1903.

Then in 1906, the state took over and has required it ever since.

Required what?

A, wage tax, B, auto license, C, sales tax, or D, dog license.

- Tina?

Tina, hey, I know you're a cat person, but you know, it could be dog license, it could be sales tax, auto license or wage tax.

Philadelphia started 1903, the state's been doing it since 1906.

What is it?

- I don't think the state collects wage taxes, I think that's local.

Dog license is just irresistible.

- [Lynn] Is it?

(audience cheers) Cuddly little dog license, Kelly?

- I think that's about the time people started getting cars.

A lot of them, I'll go with B.

- [Lynn] You're going with auto license, okay, and Bernie?

- That's about the time that people started getting cars, but I don't think anybody thought of licensing them yet.

- [Lynn] Uh-huh.

- I'll go with the dogs.

- When would you guess that that car license started?

When would you say car license started?

- [Bernie] I'll say car licenses started closer to 19.

- [Announcer] The answer is B, auto license.

(audience cheers) (laughs) - Philadelphia first issued license plates in 1903, as a means of raising revenue.

In 1906 the state took over.

Until 1915, the plates were coded with porcelain.

In 1924, they were up to seven digits, but the plates were so wide, they blocked air from the radiator, so they began a combination of letters and numbers.

License plates were in various colors the first few years until they settled on Pennsylvania, blue and gold.

- These pictures are from the Swigart Auto Museum down near Huntingdon.

And it's a great place to stop.

He's got like 150 old cars and license plates.

And if you get them from 1903, 1904, 1905, they all say Philadelphia, but beginning in 1906, they say Pennsylvania.

Isn't that a, a remarkable fact.

And we thank them for that.

The next question is one that you might be inclined to use if you were out for a drive in your automobile with its license plate upon it.

Listen.

- [Announcer] Pennsylvania's longest highway, according to PennDOT, is route six, the Grand Army of the Republic Highway.

Running across the Northern tier of counties from New Jersey to Ohio, a distance of 415 miles.

Is our second longest highway, A, the turnpike, I-76, B, the Keystone Shortway, I-80, C, U.S. Route 30, or D, U.S. Route 322?

- Nice highways all, Kelly Barron-Ott.

But which one is the second longest in Pennsylvania, after Route 6.

- They all go all the way across the state, right?

- [Lynn] Uh-huh.

- I believe.

I think I'll say Route 322.

- [Lynn] 322, she's taking, - It winds a lot, might be longer miles.

- [Lynn] She's taking D because it winds a lot.

Bernie Asbell?

- Oh, shucks.

I was gonna say 322 because it winds a lot.

- [Lynn] So you did anyway, you both picked 322.

That's remarkable, Tina?

- Well, you'll all be thrilled to know that I grew up near the turnpike.

- [Lynn] Did you really?

- That's pretty exciting.

- [Lynn] Yeah, that is.

- Overlooking Exit 10, that's right.

- [Lynn] Gives you something to do on a Saturday night.

(laughs) - The turnpike goes, yeah, exactly.

The turnpike goes across the state, but then it also has a Northeast extension, which could make it pretty long.

- [Lynn] So you're picking A, and we have spelled Dad.

We ought to play this on Father's Day.

It's a remarkable thing.

Which is the second longest?

- [Announcer] The answer is D, U.S. Route 322.

The turnpike is 351 miles long, while the Keystone Shortway is just 313 miles long.

U.S. Route 30 runs for 325 miles.

But U.S. route 322 runs 375 miles from Chester in the Southeast corner of the state to the Ohio line in the Northwest corner.

If you're looking for a tour that will give you a slice of Pennsylvania life, Route 322 will fit the bill.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah that's true.

And 322 goes really, from Philadelphia to Erie, virtually diagonally across the state, which makes it awful long.

And Six must really wind a lot to be longer than 322, actually.

I'm surprised you got that.

The score's tightened up a bit.

Tina's still in the lead with five.

Kelly has four, and Bernie three.

They're all real close and doing well.

Let's hear it for 'em.

(audience applauds) Here's the final clue.

And if you're gonna get it, this is the one will give it to you.

Her most famous work is a profile of FDR, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, that is carried in the pocket or purse of many Americans.

Her most famous work is a profile of FDR that is carried in the pocket or purse of many Americans.

And I dare say, many of you here today have her sculpting in your pocket or purse.

She discovered her life's work at age five, working the red clay of North Carolina, both New Hope and Pittsburgh are her Pennsylvania homes, Art Center in Pittsburgh named for her, and a profile of FDR is carried in the pocket or purse of most Pennsylvanians.

Anybody know who it is over there?

Bernie, do you have any ideas?

- No, I don't think Georgia O'Keeffe designed the dime.

- But, okay, but that's a good guess, Tina?

- I had a question mark, and then somebody Frick.

- [Lynn] Somebody Frick?

- And still somebody Frick.

- [Lynn] Somebody Frick, Kelly?

- I don't know who it is.

- Doesn't, I told you that you wouldn't be surprised if you didn't get the Mystery Pennsylvanian, 'cause her name is not as well known as it should be, 'cause she sure has done some famous stuff.

- [Announcer] Selma Burke has been an artist.

- [Lynn] Selma Burke.

- [Announcer] Since she discovered the liberating power of sculpturing at age five.

She speaks about the resistance of stone or wood and about her efforts to get what she wants out of it.

In 1943, Selma Burke won a competition that resulted in her profile of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, famous for its appearance on the dime.

But that's only one of many creations of this accomplished artist.

Selma Burke, a famous Pennsylvanian.

(audience applauds) - [Lynn] That's great.

As I say, I'm not surprised that you didn't, that none of you got it, because the name of Selma Burke is not as well known as it should be, because she is a remarkable artist and a philosophy of art that is just remarkable.

- [Bernie] She's still alive?

Yeah, but she, the profile of FDR was adopted of course, on the dime, and the many dimes you have with FDR on them, that was done by a Pennsylvania artist named Selma Burke and a very, very fine lady.

So, part of our goal here is to learn things about Pennsylvania and Pennsylvania people, but also to begin to have some pride in Pennsylvania, because so much that has contributed to this country and to the world came from Pennsylvania and Selma Burke is a case in point.

So we all should be proud of Selma Burke, okay?

You did well panel.

I'm gonna have to come up with harder questions.

You guys are just, you're tough.

- This is it you don't have another chance?

- [Lynn] This is it, we're all out of time.

And Tina Hay, I want to thank you.

You really, Tina conned me into saying that she was afraid she wouldn't get any right, and she ended up with five right, and that's a.

- So I like this game a whole lot.

- Yeah.

- [Tina] It was a good game.

- Gather again, we'll play the Pennsylvania Game and see you later, bye.

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(soft music) And from Landmark, and Landmark is A, a savings and loan, B, a bank, C, a leading mortgage lender, or D, all of the above.

The correct answer is D, all of the above.

People to people, it's just a better way to bank.

(audience applauds) (soft music)