HONOLULU CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT 5 SEAT COVER AS A WIDE RANGE OF NEIGHBORHOODS.

EACH WITH ITS OWN IDENTITY.

SOME HIGHRISES AND NEWLY DEVELOPED KAKAAKO TO HISTORIC HOMES IN MANOA AND ST. LOUIS.

SMALL BUSINESSES, KAIMUKI AND MOILIILI, WHILE THE WORLD'S LARGEST OPEN AIR SHOPPING CENTER ENCOMPASSES ALA MOANA.

CANDIDATES VYING FORD VOTES OF DIVERSE GROUP OF CONSTITUENTS.

TONIGHT'S LIVE BROADCAST AND LIVESTREAM OF ELECTION 2020 ON INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII START NOW.

¶¶ ALOHA AND WELCOME TO INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII...I'M DARYL HUFF.

NEW FACES, NEW VOICES, NEW OPINIONS.

FIVE OUT OF NINE SEATS ON THE HONOLULU CITY COUNCIL ARE UP FOR GRABS THIS YEAR.

DISTRICT 5 COVERS KAIMUKI, PALOLO VALLEY, ST. LOUIS HEIGHTS, MANOA, MOIILIILI, MCCULLY AND PORTIONS OF ALA MOANA, KAKAAKO AND MAKIKI.

LONGTIME CITY COUNCIL MEMBER ANN KOBAYASHI CANNOT RUN AGAIN DUE TO TERM LIMITS.

THREE CANDIDATES ARE FACING OFF IN THE PRIMARY ELECTION TO REPLACE HER.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT'S SHOW.

YOU CAN EMAIL, CALL OR TWEET YOUR QUESTIONS.

AND YOU'LL FIND A LIVE STREAM OF THIS PROGRAM AT PBSHAWAII.ORG AND THE PBS HAWAII FACEBOOK PAGE.

NOW, TO OUR CANDIDATES.

STATE REPRESENTATIVE CALVIN SAY WAS FIRST ELECTED TO THE STATE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES IN 1976.

MR. SAY WAS THE FIRST CHINESE AMERICAN TO SERVE AS SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, IS A GRADUATE OF ST. LOUIS HIGH SCHOOL AND THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII AT MNOA.

PHILMUND LEE IS AN ATTORNEY AND A CIVIL RIGHTS ADVOCATE.

HE'S WORKED FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS IN BOTH THE HONOLULU CITY COUNCIL AND THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND HAS SERVED ON THE MANOA NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD.

LEE WAS BORN AND RAISED IN HONOLULU.

AND DAVE WATASE IS A PALOLO RESIDENT AND COMMUNITY ACTIVIST.

HE ORGANIZED THE "STOP ALA WAI PROJECT" MOVEMENT DEMANDING ANOTHER LOOK AT THE 345 MILLION DOLLAR ALA WAI FLOOD RISK MANAGEMENT PROJECT.

WATASE GREW UP IN THE ST. LOUIS KAIMUKI AREA AND IS ALSO A ST. LOUIS HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATE.

THANK WE'LL START WITH YOU.

YOU HAVEN'T RUN FOR OFFICE BEFORE.

ONLY WINCH THE THREE HASN'T RUN.

WHAT PROMPTED YOU TO RUN?

S WITH THAT A ALA WAI PROJECT >> WHAT WAS THAT HAPPENED THERE THAT INSPIRED YOU TO RUN FOR OFFICE?

>> WELL, IT WAS GOING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BOARDS AND BASICALLY, WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY, GOING HOUSE TO HOUSE, AND FINDING OUT WHAT THE ISSUES WERE, AND WHAT A NOTICED WAS THERE WAS A LACK OF TRANSPARENCY.

AND ACCOUNTABILITY WITH OUR GOVERNMENT LEADERS.

AND IT STARTED WITH ALA WAI CANAL PROJECT.

I BASICALLY WENT OUT THERE DO MY BEST AND FIGHT MY HARDEST.

IN THE COURSE OF DOING THAT, I REALIZED THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES FACING THE COMMUNITY.

WHICH PROMPTED KNOW GET INVOLVED IN THOSE ISSUES.

AND AS I DID THAT, PEOPLE ACTUALLY CAME UP TO ME AND THEY WERE CONCERNED THAT ANN KOBAYASHI, TERMING OUT, RETIRING, AND THEY BASICALLY ASKED ME TO RUN FOR HER SEAT.

AFTER A LOT OF THOUGHT, WHETHER OR NOT I REALLY WANTED DO IT, TAKE ON THE CHALLENGE, I DECIDED TO DO IT >>Daryl: YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN POLITICS AS A STAFF.

SO ON.

YOU'VE RUN BEFORE.

WHAT IS IT ABOUT YOUR BACKED GROUND DO YOU THINK WOULD MAKE YOU THE RIGHT PERSON TO BE COUNCILMAN FROM THIS DISTRICT?

>> CHAIRED DEPUTY CORPORATION COUNSEL FOR MAYOR FASI AND I WAS THE ATTORNEY FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

POLICE COMMISSION, DPP.

PARKS AND RECREATION.

TRANSPORTATION SERVICES.

ET CETERA.

SO I HAVE A VERY IN DEPTH KNOWLEDGE OF THE WORKING OF THE CITY.

ALSO, I WORKED A CHIEF OF STAFF FOR CITY COUNCILMEMBER AND WE WORKED VERY HARD.

READ EVERY SINGLE BILL.

ATTENDED ALMOST EVERY SING THE COMMITTEE HEARING AS WELL AS COUNCIL HEARINGS.

EVEN ONES WE WERE NOT ASSIGNED TO.

THAT'S LIKE REALLY CRAZY.

WORKED REALLY HARD AND DEDICATED.

NOW HAVE A VERY GOOD IDEA OF EVERY SINGLE ISSUE BEFORE THE CITY.

I HAVE A VERY GOOD IDEA, UNDERSTANDING WHAT IT TAKES TO BE A CITY COUNCILMEMBER.

THANK YOU.

>>Daryl: CALVIN SAY, YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN THE LEGISLATURE.

WHY DID YOUDECIDE TO JUMP IT TO THE COUNCIL?

>> STEP UP.

INTERESTED IN PUBLIC SERVICE.

SUPPORTED RESIDENCE CALLED AND FOLLOWING WITH THEIR PARTICULAR CONCERNS.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, SHARING WITH YOU AND OTHERS, FACT OF THE MATTER, WHEN YOU ATTEND THREE NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD, A LOT OF THE ISSUES ARE LOCAL ISSUES.

WATER MAIN BREAKS, SEWER LINES, POTHOLES, ALL OF THIS IS SURPRISING THAT STATE REPRESENTATIVES WOULD GET A CALLS RATHER THAN OUR COUNCIL PERSON.

BUT WHAT I ALSO DO IS THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT WITH THESE CONCERNS AND PROBLEMS THAT ARE CONVEYED TO ME, DUI SEND IT TO THE COUNCILPERSON WHO IS REPRESENTING COUNCIL DISTRICT 5.

>>Daryl: A LOT OF SURVEYS SHOW THAT PEOPLE HAVE A VERY LOW LEVEL OF RESPECT RIGHT NOW FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS IN GENERAL.

PEOPLE WANTS CHANGE.

A LOT OF TIME SPENT IN GOVERNMENT.

WHAT DO YOU THINK HAS TO CHANGE THAT WILL MAKE PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BETTER REPRESENTED >> THIS SYSTEM MORE USER FRIENDLY PUBLIC.

NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD IS ONE WAY GO.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, ELECTED OFFICIALS NEED TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT ELECTED THEM.

OFTEN TIMES, MASSIVE TURNOUT AT HEARING OR SOMETHING.

AND THEY WOULD KIND OF VOTE THE OTHER WAY.

LIKE DIDN'T REALLY FEEL LIKE THEY WERE BEING LISTENED TO >>Daryl: YOU HAVE A LITTLE CASE OF THE HICCUPS.

IS THIS NOT A SPEECH IMPEDIMENTS.

I HAVE THE HICCUPS >>Daryl: YOU MENTIONED TRANSPARENCY.

BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT THAT.

WHAT DO THEY DO WRONG?

>> DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS AND GOVERNMENT.

CLASSIC EXAMPLE, WAS MANOA MANOA NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD, DLNR TALKING ABOUT IMPROVEMENTS THEY'RE DOING TO THE TRAIL.

AND THEIR PRESENTATION EARLIER IN THE YEAR, BASICALLY, SAID THAT THEY'RE GOING TO WORK ON THE TRAIL.

>>Daryl: WHICH TRAIL?

>> MANOA TRAIL.

TO MANOA FALLS.

AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS THEIR REPORT BASICALLY SAID, WE ADDED IN ROCK FALL MITIGATION.

AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT BLINDSIDED EVERYBODY.

AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALMOST DONE.

BUT WE HAVE THE EXPERT HERE.

TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE ALREADY DID.

AND THAT SEEMS TO BE A COMMON THING THAT HAPPENS, SAME THING JUST LIKE THE MAGIC ISLAND PARKING LOT IMPROVEMENT.

THEY WENT OUT THERE AND THEY REMOVED 26 MONKEYPOD TREES.

AND THAT CAUGHT EVERYBODY AGAIN BY SURPRISE AND IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT TOO HARD TO REALLY CONSULT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD, COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS, AND WORK WITH THEM BEFORE YOU GO IN THERE AND DESTROY THINGS.

BECAUSE ONCE YOU DESTROY IT, LIKE SHERWOOD FOREST, YOU CAN'T REPAIR IT.

YOU CAN'T PUT SOMETHING THAT YOU ALREADY KILLED AND YOU CAN'T PUT BACK.

TREES WERE OVER 50 YEARS OLD.

>>Daryl: CALVIN SAY, AFTER BEING IN GOVERNMENT FOR SO LONG, I READ 1976.

YEAR AFTER GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL.

HOW DO YOU CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE AN AGENT OF CHANGE AT THIS STAGE IN YOUR CAREER AFTER SO LONG IN GOVERNMENT?

>> AGENT OF CHANGE PRIMARILY BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO AS THE STATE, FINANCE, COUNTY FINANCES.

WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME BOAT.

NO MATTER WHAT.

THE REASON WHY I SAY WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME BOAT, ALL OF THE STATE OF HAWAII.

THAT'S WHERE I WOULD SAY TO YOU, CHAIR OF FINANCE COMMITTEE FOR SIX YEARS, SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE FOR 14 YEARS, REALLY HELPED ME IN DETERMINING HOW WE CAN BEST HELP THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF HAWAII AND THE COUNTY OF OAHU.

CIVIL BEAT QUESTION, I CAN SHARE THIS WITH YOU.

ONE OF OUR CONSTITUENTS CALLED ME OR EMAILED ME THE FACT THAT I DON'T WANT YOU TO DO ANY MORE FINES INCREASES.

ABOUT YOU DID YOU KNOW THAT I LOT OF OUR FINES TODAY TRAFFIC COURT LEVEL GOES TO WHERE?

THE STATE OF HAWAII.

CAN WE TAKE A PORTION OF THAT WITH THE RESOLUTION TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO SAY, CAN WE USE SOME OF THEE FUNDS THAT ARE GOING TO THE STATE ON BEHALF OF OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT?

WHO THE COUNTY OF OAHU IS NOT GETTING ANYTHING.

THAT'S THE KIND OF APPLICATION I WOULD LIKE TO DO.

OTHER APPLICATIONS, AREA OF CAN WE NOT DUPLICATE SERVICES AT THE STATE AND COUNTY LEVEL ANTICIPATING WE'LL BE HAVING A MAJOR, MAJOR SHORTAGE IN REVENUE.

>>Daryl: PALLET TAKE US THROUGH SOME OF BIG ISSUES.

ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT, YOU HAVE BASICALLY ALMOST ALL THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS OF OAHU ALL JAMMED INTO YOUR DISTRICT IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER.

INCREDIBLE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES IN KAKAAKO.

SO ON.

ALSO GOT INCREDIBLY MATURE HOUSING IN MANOA MONSTER HOMES.

CLIMATE CHANGE ISSUES.

RIGHT NOW, BIG CRISIS IS COVID.

COME INTO OFFICE IN THE MIDDLE OF A RECESSION.

DEEP RECESSION.

REPRESENTATIVE SAY, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE FIRST THING COUNCIL SHOULD DO AND CITY SHOULD DO TO GET US, HELP US GET OUT OF THIS CRISIS?

>> FIRST AND FOREMOST, WHAT I WOULD DO.

IF ELECTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE GET TOGETHER AND THEN COME UP WITH A PHILOSOPHY OF WHAT OUR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES ARE.

WHAT IS OUR CAUSE THAT WE ARE HERE TODAY FOR?

THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

USING PHILOSOPHY AND VALUES OF ALOHA.

WORKING TOGETHER.

RATHER THAN HAVING OUR PARTICULAR MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL BEING FRAGMENTED WITH DIFFERENT FACTIONS.

WHEN YOU HAVE DIFFERENT FACTIONS, YOU WILL NOT BE WORKING FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF OUR COUNTY OF OAHU.

THAT'S ONE.

SECONDLY, I WOULD ASK, THAT WE HAVE A PAUSE BUTTON.

EDUCATE OURSELVES.

WHAT COUNTY FINANCES ARE ALL ABOUT.

WHAT ARE THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE PIPELINE RIGHT NOW FOR TODAY AND CAN WE AFFORD IT?

LET'S HAVE THIS OPEN DISCUSSION OF WHAT WATASE IS SAYING.

TRANSPARENCY.

>>Daryl: CUT THE BUDGET AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT.

WE HAVE NO CHOICE.

2019, 10 MILLION VISITORS.

THIS YEAR, WE MAY HAVE >>Daryl: 3 OR 4 MILLION.

>> THAT IS A 80% CUT OF REVENUES WE GOT IN 2019.

HOW DO WE MAKE THAT ALL UP?

I REALLY DON'T KNOW.

BUT THAT'S THE DISCUSSION WE NEED TO HAVE.

ONE OF MY OTHER MAJOR CONCERNS, I THINK CONCERN FOR ALL OF US, WHEN IT COMES JULY 31, WITH THE MORATORIUM ON EVICTIONS TAKES PLACE, WHERE ARE THESE HARD WORKING YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE LAID OFF GOING TO BE GOING?

I DON'T WANT TO SEE THEM ON STREET.

THAT'S THE KIND OF DISCUSSIONS WE NEED.

AS A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE.

>>Daryl: WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE FIRST THING THAT COUNCIL NEEDS TO DO WHEN YOU GUYS RECONVENE I THINK COVID 19 IS RESPONSIBLE FOR A LOT OF HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT DIFFERENT RESPONSIBLE FOR A LOT OF HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT.

IMPACTS TO SMALL BUSINESSES IN A RETAIL AND SERVICE INDUSTRY IS OF GREAT IMPORTANCE TO ME.

AND ALSO, THE TOURIST INDUSTRY.

THOSE ARE ECONOMIC ENGINE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A QUICK RECOVERY.

I THINK IT MAY TAKE YEARS.

OF COURSE, STATE, BECAUSE REVENUES BASED ON INCOME TASKS, PROBABLY WILL BE HARDEST HIT.

VERSUS THE CITY, BASED ON PROPERTY ASSESSMENT TASKS.

SO THAT MAY TAKE A WHILE TO DROP.

WE STILL NEED TO SEE HOW THAT PANS OUT.

BUT I THINK THE CITY'S ALREADY LOOKING AT $130 MILLION SHORTFALL.

AND REALLY, OUR BUDGET HAS BEEN INCREASING OVER 5% EVERY YEAR.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ANY MORE.

AND WHAT WE REALLY NEED DO IS FOCUS ON ESSENTIAL SERVICES IN GOVERNMENT.

AND LOOKING AT HELPING THOSE WHO ARE UNEMPLOYED AND TRULY IMPACTED BY THE COVID VIRUS.

REALLY GETTING TO THOSE PEOPLE AND LIKE, I THINK WHAT CALVIN REITERATED TO HIS THOSE WHO ARE RENTING A HOMES OR HAVE TO PAY MORTGAGE, THE FORECLOSURES OR THE EVICTIONS, MAKING SURE THAT THESE PEOPLE DON'T END UP ON THE STREET.

>>Daryl:S TO THIS SOUND LIKE MUCH FUN TO YOU?

>> I THINK I AGREE WITH SPEAKER EMERITUS.

COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, COME TOGETHER AND ADDRESS THE ISSUE.

WOULD LIKE TO SEE A TRIFECTA WHERE YOU HAVE THE FEDS, STATE, AND COUNTY WORKING TOGETHER BECAUSE YOU KNOW, CDC AND THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH HAVE MOST OF THE HEALTH ISSUES.

AND THE EXPERTISE.

CITY, LOCAL ISSUES, DON'T HAVE HEALTH DEPARTMENT SO TO SPEAK.

BUT WE DO, WHAT WE DO HAVE THE MAYOR WHO IS MAKING A LOT OF THE DECISIONS TO THAT BEING OF COURSE RATIFIED BY THE GOVERNOR.

COMING OUT WITH ALL OF THESE DECREES, HOW TO REDUCE COVID FROM SPREADING.

SO THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR COUNCIL TO WORK TOGETHER WITH THE MAYOR, AND INSURE SAFEGUARDS ARE PLACE.

WE NEED TO OPEN UP THE ANY.

PEOPLE GET BACK TO WORK.

OPEN UP THE ECONOMY.

PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO TAKE THE PROPER SAFEGUARDS SO WE DON'T INFECTION RATE DOESN'T GO UP.

>>Daryl: LET ME ASK YOU.

HOW WOULD YOU BALANCE THAT OPENING UP THE ECONOMY VERSUS SAFETY?

I KNOW THAT CIVIL BEAT HAWAII NEWS NOW POLL ASKED PEOPLE, WHERE WOULD YOU STAND, IF HAD YOU TO CHOOSE OPENING UP ECONOMY MORE PEOPLE GET SICK OR BEING JUST VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THE DISEASE, BUT THEN AT THE COST OF JOBS, SO WHERE WOULD YOU STAND ON THAT?

>> I ACTUALLY PREFER TO ERR ON THE SIDE AFTER SAFETY AND HEALTH AND PROTECTS THEM FROM INFLUX OF OUTSIDE INFLUENCES COMING HERE.

ON THE OTHER HAND, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE SAFE GUARDS SO WE CAN REVIVE SOME TOURISM INDUSTRY.

PRETESTING.

BEFORE THEY COME HERE.

CAN BE IN A QUARANTINE.

BEFORE THEY COME HERE.

OR POST AFTER THEY GET HER.

AS WELL AS ON THE SPOT, AIRPORT TESTING WITH THERMOMETER FOR FEAR.

>>Daryl: DAVE WATASE, HOW DO YOU WATSE?

ECONOMY OPEN UP TOO QUICKLY?

>> I'M HAPPY WITH THE PACE THAT WE'RE GOING.

I THINK SAFETY IS ALWAYS A CONCERN.

WE NEED TO SCHIZOHRENIC START OUR ECONOMY.

START WITH USING FEDERAL MONEY THAT WE RECEIVED AND MAKING SURE THAT WE CIRCULATE IT AMONG OUR LOCAL ECONOMY.

BY HAWAII.

THAT WAS A PHRASE THAT I THINK WAS USED LONG TIME AGO WHEN I WAS LITTLE.

BILLING CIRCULATING LOCAL PRODUCTS, LOCAL RESIDENTS DOING KAMA'AINA RATES AT THE LOCAL HOTELS, WE CAN CIRCULATE THAT MONEY MANY TIMES BEFORE IT LEAVES THE ISLAND.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE ONE WAY THAT HOPEFULLY, WE'LL CARRY US THROUGH UNTIL MAYBE VACCINE COMES OUT OR BECOMES SAFER OR GOVERNOR DECIDES I KNOW THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME KIND OF BUBBLE ECONOMIES.

WHERE THE RATES ARE SIMILAR TO OURS.

>>Daryl: LET ME ASK YOU.

HOW MUCH RISK ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH?

IF IT MEANT WE 30, 40, 50 CASES A DAY INSTEAD OF MAYBE 20.

>> LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR GREEN BASICALLY WAS AT MANOA NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD LAST NIGHT.

AND HE SPOKE FOR QUITE A WHILE.

IN HIGH DETAIL ABOUT THAT.

HE SAID BASICALLY, AS THEY OPEN UP NOT JUST GOING TO RUSH THROUGH THAT.

SECOND WAVE, STARTS TURNING WRONG DIRECTION, ALL THEY DO IS CRANK IT BACK TO WHERE IT WAS BEFORE.

TRACK, TRACE, AND TRY TO ISOLATE WHEREVER YOU HAVE A HOT SPOT.

I'M COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT OUR STATE IS DOING.

I THINK WE DO NEED TO OPEN UP.

I MEAN, OTHERWISE, REALLY CHOKING OURSELVES.

>>Daryl: SPEAKER SAY OPPORTUNITY.

HAVE YOU BEEN SATISFIED WITH WAY IT'S BEEN MANAGED?

STATE AND CITY LEVEL?

>> IT WAS REALLY THOUGHT AU.

THE REASON WHY IT WAS REALLY THOUGHT OUT, STARTED VERY SLOWLY IN THE TESTING, BECAUSE THEY RECOGNIZED THAT WE DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH MEDICAL BEDS, NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH MEDICAL EQUIPMENT.

THAT'S WHY THEY WENT VERY SLOW.

AS AN EXAMPLE FOR ME, WOULD HAVE ASKED THE GOVERNOR CAN YOU DO A 10% TESTING OF 1.4 MILLION LOCAL RESIDENTS >>Daryl: RANDOM TESTING?

>> YEP.

JUST HAVE THAT BECAUSE THAT BECOMES YOUR BASELINE OF THE 10% OF THE POPULATION.

TODAY, IT'S ONLY ABOUT 5 TO 6%.

>>Daryl: IT'S A THOUSAND A DAY.

>> OKAY.

WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THIS.

SECONDLY, I TEND TO AGREE WITH BOTH PHIL AND DAVE.

THAT THE APPROACH THEY TOOK WAS THE BEST APPROACH BECAUSE IN ESSENCE, I ALWAYS FELT LIKE THIS, WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT, YOUR HEALTH OR MONEY?

AT THE END OF THE DAY?

WITH ALL THE MONEY THAT YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE SICKNESS OR DISEASE, AND THE MONEY CAN'T BUY YOU A CURE, WHAT'S THE MONEY FOR?

RIGHT?

THAT'S WHICH ARE LOOKED AT THE IT FROM THAT POINT OF VIEW.

WE ARE GOING OF A VERY METHODICAL PRACTICAL APPROACH TRY TRYING TO ADDRESS COVID 19.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, YES, THEY ARE TRYING THEIR VERY BEST.

IF THERE'S ONE THING, DARYL, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THIS, I DID MAKE A REQUEST TO THE TOURIST INDUSTRY.

HOTELS.

EVERY HOTEL WOULD HAVE A URGENT CARE FACILITY.

MANNED BY TWO OR THREE INDIVIDUALS.

HAVE THE TESTING THERE.

AT THEIR RESPECTIVE PROPERTIES.

AIR MENTY >>Daryl: FOR THEIR GUESTS.

GUEST THE AND EMPLOYEES.

>>Daryl: LET ME ASK THIS.

GETTING BACK TO IMPACT ON THE CITY.

ASSUMING, AND DAVE IS CORRECT.

NOT GOING TO BE OVERNIGHT.

THIS CUT TO BUDGET.

YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THE PROPERTY TASK RATES SET FOR THIS YEAR.

PEOPLE WHO DON'T GET FORECLOSED ON WILL PAY PROPERTY TAXES.

NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET GOING TO REQUIRE MAJOR CUTBACKS STARTING TO SEE FALLING REAL ESTATE VALUES.

IF YOU HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN SAY ACROSS THE BOARD REDUCTION OF PAY FOR CITY WORKERS, OR TAKE DEFUND CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS, TALKED ABOUT DEFUNDING POLICE, WHICH WOULD YOU CHOSE?

ACROSS THE BOARD CUT OR CERTAIN PLACES YOU THINK YOU COULD CUT BACK SIGNIFICANTLY SAVE THAT MONEY?

.

WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT BOTH.

IT MIGHT BE NECESSARY TO HAVE A ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE OUR GOVERNMENT MORE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE.

MEANING LOOK AT THE INEFFICIENCY IT'S AND DUPLICATION OF SERVICES.

NOT JUST WITHIN THE CITY BUT BETWEEN THE CITY AND STATE.

MAKE SURE THAT BOTH HAVE THIS SECTION 8 HOUSING AND MAYBE THINGS CAN BE COMBINED SO THAT WE ONLY HAVE ONE PERSON DOING IT SO IT'S MORE EFFICIENTED A AND DON'T HAVE DUPLICATION.

TAKING A CLOSE LOOK WHERE WE CAN CUT INEFFICIENCY BUT MIGHT ALSO NEED ACROSS THE BOARD CUT.

>>Daryl: YOUR ANSWER IS BOTH?

>> I'M AGAINST ACROSS THE BOARD CUT.

I THINK OUR CITY EMPLOYEES ARE VALUABLE.

VALUABLE RESOURCES.

FOR OUR CITY TO OPERATE.

AND WE ALREADY HAVE HOTEL INDUSTRY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CAN EXPAND AS SOON AS IT'S SAFE.

AS WE EXPAND, THOSE SERVICES ARE, AGAIN, GOING TO BE NEEDED AND IF WE LOSE OUR VALUABLE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR, AND COST AS A LOT OF MONEY TO TRAIN PEOPLE, YOU KNOW W HE ALWAYS HAVE SHORTAGES.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO HOLD ON TO THEM AS LONG AS WE CAN.

I THINK WHERE WE NEED TO CUT IS ON THE UNNEEDED SERVICES, IT'S UNNEEDED PROJECTS AND THERE'S JUST A BUNCH OF THEM.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US HIGHER CONSULTANTS THAT ARE LOCAL INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE MAINLAND.

REALLY LOOK AT WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR RESIDENT AND MEET THOSE NEEDS FIRST.

WE DON'T NEED TO EXPAND ANYTHING AT THIS POINT.

I THINK REALLY NEED TO JUST PUT EVERYTHING ON PAUSE.

THE BIGGEST COST, AND UNKNOWN, TO ME, IS GOING TO BE THE RAIL.

>>Daryl: I WANT TO GET TO THAT SHORTLY.

QUICKLY, HOW DO YOU FEEL WHAT CAN BE CUT >> >> WELL, FIRST AND FOREMOST, VERY PRACTICAL MATTER, WHAT I WOULD DO, IF ELECTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

LOOK AT YOUR CITY CHARTER.

WHAT ARE THE PROGRAMS THAT PART OF CITY CHART SENATOR ONE.

NUMBER 2, WHAT ARE DUPLICATIVE WITH STATE, NUMBER 2.

AND NUMBER 3, GO BACK TEN YEARS FIND OUT WHAT NEW PROGRAMS COUNCIL HAS ENACTED LOOK AT CUTTING.

IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, GOING BACK TO CORE SERVICE >> ESSENTIAL SERVICES.

THAT'S THE APPROACH I WOULD LOOK AT.

>>Daryl: THREE QUESTIONS ON RAIL.

RIGHT OFF THE BOX.

WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THE RAIL?

HOW WILL YOU STOP THE BLEEDING?

WHAT DO THE CANDIDATES FEEL ON RAIL?

LET ME START WITH YOU.

REPRESENTATIVE SAY, ACTUALLY PART OF THE PROCESS OF FUNDING THE RAY.

THROUGH THE STATE'S EXCISE TASK.

SHARING IT WITH THE COUNTY.

WHAT IS YOUR, JUST SUM UP THE SITUATION RIGHT NOW, WITH RAIL, WAITING FOR BIDS FROM A CONSORTIUM OF COMPANIES THAT WOULD BASICALLY BUILD THE LAST FOUR MILES I BELIEVE IT'S FOUR MILES, AND THEN OPERATE THE SYSTEM FOR 30 YEARS, THEY WANT TO HAVE SORT OF LIKE A SUPERBID, P3 THEY CALL IT.

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN UNTIL AUGUST.

DO YOU THINK THAT IS REALLY A REALISTIC THING?

IF IT DOESN'T COME THROUGH, WHAT IS YOUR PLAN B FOR RAIL IF YOU DON'T GO SUCCESSFUL BIDDER?

>> I'VE SAID TO A LOT OF RESIDENTS.

PLAN B.

PROBABLY PRESS THE PAUSE BUTTON.

FINANCIAL PLAN, WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD AND WHAT YOU CANNOT AFFORD.

THAT'S WHERE HAVING THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE.

YOU HAVE TO DISCUSS WITH EVERY OF THE NINE MEMBER, WHAT ARE YOUR PET PROJECTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE BE TAKEN OUT, ET CETERA.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT IS THE NUMBER OF ONE CIP PROJECT.

>>Daryl: WHAT HIT THE PAUSE BUTTON MEAN WHEN IT COMES TO RAIL?

>> PHIL, DAVE AND DARYL, LETS WHAT WE HAVE OUT THERE.

THE FIVE OF US.

NEW FIVE OF US.

IN THE COUNCIL.

WHAT IS OUT THERE AS FAR AS THE PROJECT?

WHAT IS OUR COMMITMENT?

AND DO WE HAVE TO MEET THESE COMMITMENTS OR RENEGOTIATE IT?

NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER 2, WHAT IS OUR FINANCES IF WE'RE BLEED SO BADLY?

RAIL IS FINANCED BY THE GENERAL EXCISE TAX AND T.A.T.

TRANSIENT ACCOMMODATIONS TAX.

RUN BY THE STATE NOW.

WITH THE SENATE BILL 1 DURING THE SPECIAL SESSION.

IF YOU FOLKS RECALL.

>>Daryl: OVERSEEING IT >> RIGHT.

WITH DEPARTMENT OF BUDGET AND FINANCE.

DEPARTMENT OF ACCOUNTING GENERAL SERVICE.

THEY GO AND THOROUGHLY LOOK AT ALL OF THESE INVOICES BEFORE IT IS TRANSFERRED ON TO BUDGET AND FINANCE WHERE THEY CUT THE CHECK.

>>Daryl: WHEN YOU SAY PAUSE, DO YOU MEAN STOP BUILDING RAIL?

WHILE YOU REORGANIZE ALL OF THIS?

>> WE'RE NOT STOPPING IT.

WE'RE JUST LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES OF THE NINE COUNCILMEMBERS.

>>Daryl: YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY SHIFT BORROWING MIGHT GO ON FOR OTHER PROJECTS TO THE RAIL IF NECESSARY?

>> TO CONTINUE ON TO MEET THAT >>Daryl: DAVE, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

YOUR PLAN B ASSUMING THAT THEY DON'T GET THIS WONDERFUL PERFECT BID THAT COMES UNDER BUDGET.

>> I HAVE CONCERNS.

I DON'T THINK THEY WILL PROBABLY GET THAT PERFECT BID.

I THINK IT'S BEEN A MESS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.

WHEN THEY DID THE DRAFT EIS BEFORE WE VOTED ON IT.

THE RAIL WAS SUPPOSED GO FROM UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII TO WEST KAPOLEI.

IT WAS FOR HALF THE COST.

FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS CONTRIBUTING MORE THAN WE WERE SUPPOSED TO CONTRIBUTE.

BY THE TIME IT STARTED, DOUBLED IN PRICE AND IT WAS SHORTENED.

IT DIDN'T GO TO THE MAIN AREAS.

BYPASSES OUR DENSELY POP LAID AREAS.

IT DOESN'T GO TO WAIKIKI.

DOESN'T GO TO UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII.

I THINK THERE'S ISSUES AS FAR AS WHO IS GOING TO BENEFIT FROM IT AND THE TRUE RIDERSHIP.

IT DOESN'T GO TO EAST OAHU.

DOESN'T GO TO THE WINDWARD SIDE.

IT DOESN'T EVEN GO TO CENTRAL OAHU.

SO I HAVE GREAT CONCERNS.

AND ESPECIALLY WITH COVID, THE G.E.T., AND THE T.A.T., THAT MONEY IS NOT GOING TO BE THERE.

CAN WE EVEN AFFORD TO PAY FOR $9 BILLION PROJECT?

I DO AGREE, I THINK WE NEED TO PUT IT ON PAUSE.

I WHEN I KNEE T.O.D.

DO A FORENSIC AUDIT.

AND FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED, CAN'T AFFORD FOR OVER $700 MILLION.

THAT'S NOT POCKET CHANGE.

THERE ARE CONCERNS.

AND IF YOU GOOGLE HONOLULU RAIL, AND YOU LOOK AT ALL THE NEWS ARTICLES, THERE'S NO GOOD NEWS.

YOU CAN GO BACK FROM THE BEGINNING.

ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD NEWS.

>>Daryl: LET ME JUST STOP YOU THERE.

RIGHT.

ALL TRUE.

RIGHT?

$700 MILLION LESS THAN 10% OF THE PROJECT.

RIGHT?

THERE'S MONEY THERE.

WHAT WOULD YOU ACTUALLY DO?

WOULD YOU CHANGE THE PROJECT?

FINISH THE PROJECT >> >> I THINK WE MAY HAVE TO PAUSE IT AT A CERTAIN LOCATION.

THEN REALLY REDEFINE THE PROJECT WITH PARAMETERS THAT WE KNOW WE CAN FINISH IT ON TIME, AND ON COST.

IT'S LIKE ANYTHING ELSE.

IF ANYBODY WAS RENOVATING YOUR KITCHEN, AND YOU DID IT LIKE THE RAIL, UNKNOWN THING, >>Daryl: NOT GOING TO GIVE UP YOUR STOVE.

STILL WANT TO FINISH THE KITCHEN >> WE CAN'T ABANDON IT.

I THINK WE PUT TOO MUCH INTO IT.

OTHER IDEAS MAYBE.

WE DON'T KNOW.

LET'S SAY INCREASES ANOTHER $5 BILLION.

I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REDUCING TRAFFIC.

COULD SPEND A BILLION DOLLARS AND PUT UP 10,000 DORMITORIES UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII.

THAT WOULD BE ALTERNATE SOLUTION.

WE COULD USE THE RAIL KAIHEE AREA HAS A TRANSFER STATION, MAYBE WE CAN USE THE RAIL IN THE EVENING HOURS TO HAUL TRASH TRASH, TO THE HPOWER PLANT.

I DON'T KNOW.

>>Daryl: THAT'S CREATIVE.

.

FIND USES TO MAXIMIZE WHAT WE'VE ALREADY INVESTED INTO THE INFRASTRUCTURE ON RAIL.

>>Daryl: PHIL, YOUR FEELING.

ASSUMING THIS BID DOESN'T COME IN AND SAVE THE DAY, WHAT DO YOU THINK ARE THE CHOICES?

>> I'M MORE OPTIMISTIC.

I'M HOPING THAT WILL COME, FROM THE VERY BEGIN, I WAS IN SUPPORT OF PPP, PUBLIC PARTNERSHIPS.

PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS.

I FEEL IS THE WAY TO GO.

WOULD RELIEVE THE TAXPAYORS OF A LOT OF THE BURDEN.

I THINK ONE THING THAT WE HAVE TO DO IS INCREASE THE ACCOUNTABILITY.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE RESPONSIBILITY PLACED UNDER THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL TO OVERSEE THIS THING.

RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVE APPOINTEES IN HART THAT ARE INSULATED FROM THE PUBLIC.

THEY'RE NOT ACCOUNTABLE TO ANYBODY.

COSTS ARE RUNNING AWAY.

I THINK WE SHOULD PERHAPS REPEAL THE HART LAW AND DISBAND IT.

PLACE THE RESPONSIBILITY DIRECTLY UNDER THE MAY IRWITH THE EVERSIGHT OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

DIFFERENT >>Daryl: WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SPEND MORE THAN $10 BILLION IF THAT'S WHAT IT COST TO FINISH IT?

>> IT WOULD BE BEST, OF COURSE TO TRY TO FINISH IT ALL THE WAY TO ALA MOANA.

BUT I THINK I HAVE SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT IF THE COST GOES UP TOO, WE MAY HAVE TO LIKE, WE SAY, PUT IT ON HOLD.

OR PAUSE.

AND TRY TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT.

PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, SHORTEN IT OR GET MORE MONEY.

>>Daryl: LET ME MOVE ON.

ONE OF THE OTHER BIG ISSUES THAT WE HEAR A LOT ABOUT, PEOPLE KIND OF ENJOYING THE LACK OF TOURISTS.

I MEAN, 10 MILLION TOURISTS IS A LOT OF TOURISTS.

DO YOU FOLKS ALL AGREE THAT 10 MILLION WAS TOO MANY PEOPLE?

I'LL START WITH YOU.

>> I THINK OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS NEAR CAPACITY.

LOOK AT ALL THE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE HOTEL OR THE CONDOMINIUMS WE'RE PUTTING UP.

WE'RE BASICALLY MEETING DEMANDS OF WATER, SEWER AND ELECTRICITY THROUGH OUR, TO THE RESIDENTS EFFORTS THROUGH CONSERVATION.

THOSE CONVERSATION EFFORTS ARE NOT REALLY MAKING IT SUSTAINABLE FOR THE FUTURE GENERATIONS AND OUR CHILDREN.

WHAT IS HAPPENING IS AS WE SAY, AND REDUCE OUR WATER CONSUMPTION, WHEN WE CONVERT TO LED LIGHT BULBS AND WE USE LESS POWER, GO SOLAR, ENERGY IS BEING TURNED AROUND AND SOLD TO MARKET CONDO UNITS.

FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE AND OUR RESOURCES TO BE SAVED FOR OUR CHILDREN.

AND RATHER, I'M NOT AGAINST BUILDING, I'M AGAINST WHAT WE ARE BUILDING AND WHO IT'S FOR.

I THINK WE NEED TO PROVIDE FOR OUR CHILDREN.

AND THE NEXT GENERATION.

SO IF THERE IS WATER IN OUR AQUIFER, AVAILABLE, WE NEED TO REALLY TARGET IT TO AFFORDABLE UNITS.

>>Daryl: LET ME GET BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION.

DO YOU FEEL LIKE 10 MILLION TOURISTS IS TOO MANY TOURISTS?

>> >> YEAH.

TRAFFIC GOING AROUND THE ISLAND, HIKING TRAILS And BEACHES, ARE A LOT.

IN FACT, I WAS TALKING, GOING HOUSE TO HOUSE, TALKING TO A RESIDENT, RETIRED.

INCOME IS FINE.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY LOVING IT.

>>Daryl: WITHOUT THE TOURISTS.

CALVIN SAY, MANY YEARS, LEGISLATURE FUNDED I WANT TO SAY HVCB.

HTA TOURISM AGENCIES TO MARKET HAWAII VIGOROUSLY.

TO YOU FEEL IT NEEDS TO BE DIALED BACK.

HOW COULD YOU DIAL IT BACK IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE FEWER TOURISTS COME IN MAYBE WE'RE SPENDING MORE MONEY?

>> >> IT'S A VERY INTERESTING TO QUESTION TO POSE TO ME.

STATE OF HAWAII JUST HUNGRY FOR MONEY.

THAT'S NEW INCOME COMING INTO THE STATE OF HAWAII.

NEW CASH COMING INTO THE STATE OF HAWAII.

TO BALANCE OUT WHAT WE'RE EXPORTING AS FAR AS BUYING OIL AND OTHER PRODUCTS.

SO IF 10 MILLION IS THE MAX, SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, YOU BUT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT ROOM FOR THE NEIGHBOR ISLANDS?

>>Daryl: YOU MEAN SHIFT SOME OF THOSE >> IF THE POPULATION OF THE VISITORS TO THE NEIGHBOR ISLANDS.

I WOULD SAY THAT HAWAII TOURISM AUTHORITY DONE A FANTASTIC JOB TAKE CARE CONCERN WAS RESIDENTS OF HAWAII.

YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES AN GRANTS FOR DIFFERENT PROPOSALS FROM THE CULTURE, TO THE HAWAIIAN WHAT YOU CALL THAT, PROGRAM WHERE THEY TEACH THE EMPLOYEES ABOUT HAWAIIAN CULTURE AS FAR AS SHARING IT WITH THE VISITOR.

ALL OF THIS, TRYING THEIR BEST.

QUESTION WOULD BE POSTED, I WOULD SAY, TO THE HAWAII TOURISM AUTHORITY.

AND FOR ME, IN THE 1980S, MAXIMUM WE THOUGHT AS FAR AS VISITOR WAS 7 MILLION.

WE'RE OVER 3 MILLION.

ARE WE SUFFERING FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC AT LARGE, WE ARE SUFFERING.

ARE WE SUFFERING?

I'M SO HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO SEAT KIDS AND THE FAMILIES STROLLING DOWN KALAKAUA AVENUE ON A SUNDAY MORNING.

THAT'S KIND OF STUFF THAT HAPPENS.

SO HAPPY.

THAT I DON'T SEE ANYBODY NEXT TO ME AT WAIKIKI BEACH OR KUHIO >>Daryl: JUST HEARD YOU SAY WE NEED THAT NUMBER OF TOURISTS TO SURVIVE.

>> THAT'S THE DECISION CITY COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO MAKE WITH THE HAWAII TOURISM AUTHORITY AND DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

WHAT IS THE PRIORITY OF WHAT WE WANT TO SEE.

>>Daryl: YOU DON'T SOUND LIKE YOU'VE GOT THAT ANSWER IN YOUR HEAD YET >> NO.

>>Daryl: WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS OF SIZE AND MANAGEABILITY OF THE TOURISM INDUSTRY?

>> THINK WE SHOULD MANAGE THE SIZE BETTER AND PERHAPS REDUCE BECAUSE WE CAN'T REALLY KEEP ON DOING IT AND ALSO BE ABLE TO PROTECT OUR CITY ACCIDENTS FROM COVID.

SO WE NEED TO TRY TO DIVERSIFY OUR ECONOMY, TO SEARCH FOR OTHER SOURCES OF INCOME SUCH AS DIVERSE AGRICULTURE, AND HIGH TECH INDUSTRIES, LIKE IT OR PROGRAMMING.

WHERE THEY CAN USE EDUCATED ENGINEERS AND PEOPLE THAT COULD GET GOOD PAY.

BUT I THINK WE TO HAVE TO KIND OF CUT BACK BECAUSE AT THE PACE OF 10 MILLION, IT'S GOING TO BE PUTTING OUR RESIDENTS IN DANGER.

>>Daryl: I'VE GOT A QUESTION HERE.

WOULD ENJOY READING BECAUSE THIS IS DRAMATIC YEAR POLITICALLY FOR THE CITY.

BRAND NEW MAYOR.

MAJORITY OF NEW COUNCILMEMBERS.

SO IT'S KIND OF A BLANK SLATE IN A WAY.

CALL ASKED, AS A NEWLY ELECTED OFFICIAL, WHO WOULD YOU WANT TO WORK WITH AS MAYOR AND WHY?

I'M ASSUMING YOU THE OFF THE EXISTING CANDIDATES, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THE FIRST SHOT OF THAT?

OF THE CANDIDATES FOR MAYOR, WHICH ONE DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD PREFER TO WORK WITH?

>> I THINK I CAN WORK WITH ALL OF THEM.

I THINK THE ROLE OF THE CITY COUNCIL IS REALLY TO BE THE CHECK, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MAYOR STAYS IN LINE WITH THE CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS.

MY CONCERN IS IF OUR NEXT MAYOR IS, A LOT OF IT IS IF YOU FOLLOW THE MONEY, SOMETIMES, THEY GET INFLUENCED BY WANTING TO GO IN A DIRECTION THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY IN LINE WITH THE COMMUNITY OR THE RESIDENTS.

SO THAT IS MY MAIN CONCERN.

THAT WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT REALLY IS LOOKING OUT FOR THE RESIDENTS AND PUTTING THEM FIRST >>Daryl: FOR A GUY WHO NEVER RUN FOR OFFICE.

THAT WAS A PRETTY POLITICAL ANSWER.

I MEAN, IT'S CLEVER.

CALVIN, WOULD YOU ACTUALLY VENTURE A NAME OF A PREFERENCE?

>> I WOULD SAY CAN I MENTION THREE NAMES?

I WOULD SAY MAYBE COLLEEN.

THAT'S ONE.

I WORKED WITH HER VERY WELL.

PRESIDENT.

RICK BLANGIARDI ANOTHER ONE FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE.

THIRD, PROBABLY KEITH.

>>Daryl: AMEMIYA >> YES.

>>Daryl: PHIL, TO YOU WANT TO TAKE A SHOT AT THAT?

>> WELL, IN A WAY, KIND OF I REALLY DON'T WANT TO MENTION ANY NAMES BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH WHOEVER WINS LATER.

I DON'T WANT TO BE TAKING SIDES UNTIL THE PRIMARY.

I DO AGREE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT WITH SPEAKER EMERITUS SAY, SOME OF THE TOP LEADERS.

>>Daryl: BACK TO RAIL, QUICKLY.

I WANT TO GET TO STARTING TO GET QUESTIONS IN HERE.

I WANT TO HONOR OUR VIEWERS WHO CALL IN.

WOULD THE CANDIDATES CONSIDER DROPPING THE FEDERAL AID AND CHANGE THE PLAN FOR RAIL TO RUN AT GROUND LEVEL FOR THE LAST SEGMENT?

PHIL, DO YOU THINK THAT MIGHT BE A PLAN B?

>> WELL, I THINK THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO MAKE CHANGES AT THIS POINT.

ANY KIND OF CHANGE NOW GOING TO BE MONUMENTAL CHANGE IN ENGINEERING.

AND COST.

THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAVE SO MANY COSTS OVERRUNS.

CHANGING THE PLAN.

WE HAVE TO HAVE A VISION WHAT WE WANT TO SEE DONE.

A STICK TO THAT VISION.

IF WE KEEP CHANGING, OVERRUNS ARE GOING TO KILL US.

>>Daryl: DAVE YOU HAD A LOT OF CRITICISM OF THE RAIL.

WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK SHOULD BE CONSIDERED?

>> I MEAN, IT'S AN OPTION.

SO EVERYBODY T HAS TO BE CONSIDERED.

IT'S JUST LIKE THE ALA WAI CANAL PROJECT.

THE ARMY CORPS WANT GO A CERTAIN DIRECTION AND THE COMMUNITY FELT IT WASN'T THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

SO COMMUNITY LOOKS AT IT, IF THERE'S MORE TRANSPARENCY, IT SHOULD BE CLEAR TO EVERYBODY WHAT THE DECISION IS GOING TO BE.

IF WE FORFEIT WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS PUTTING OUT, BECAUSE IF THE RAIL DOUBLES IN PRICE AGAIN, WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS GIVING US IS CHUMP CHANGE.

LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS TO REDUCE TRAFFIC.

COVID IN ITSELF BASICALLY EMPTIED OUR FREEWAYS.

AND PEOPLE ARE LEARNING TO ADAPT AND WORK FROM HOME.

WE FOCUS AGAIN ON DEVELOPING KAPOLEI AND HOUSING PROJECTS CLOSER TO THE WORK AREA AS WELL AS HOUSING FOR EXAMPLE, AT THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII.

WE ALL KNOW THAT WHEN U.H.

IS NOT IN SESSION, MIDDLE STREET CLEAR.

AND I THINK THOSE ARE WIN WIN AND OPTIONS WE CAN LOOK AT >>Daryl: CALVIN SAY, ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT ACTUALLY CHANGE THE STRUCTURE OF THE PROJECT >> I'M HAPPY THAT QUESTION IS BEING POSTED.

AT THIS POINT IN TIME, MY RESPONSE WOULD BE VERY SIMPLY PUT.

THIS KIND OF ISSUES THAT THE PRESENT COUNCIL AND PAST COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSING AS THE OPTIONS.

KNEW THE COST OVERRUNS WERE OCCURRING.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, DEFER EXPERTS ENGINEERS AND PLANNERS DOING IT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW, WITH THE PLANS, IS GOING TO ADD MORE COST TO THE CHANGES THAT OCCUR.

IN THE END CITY COUNCIL, SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES.

HAD VISION OF SECOND CITY IN KAPOLEI.

NOW GOING TO BE KOA RIDGE.

HO'OPILI.

STATE OF HAWAII IS NOT HELPING.

THEY GOT H2 GOING OUT THERE.

RIGHT?

SO THAT IS THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE FACING.

AND LIKE I SAID TO ANOTHER FORUM THAT ALL THREE OF US WERE AT, FACT OF MATTER I WAS SELFISH.

CALVIN SAY WAS SELFISH.

I WANTED TO PRESERVE EAST HONOLULU.

>>Daryl: PRETTY BAD TRAFFIC.

>> YOU'RE CORRECT.

INCREASED DENSITY OF HONOLULU.

I WANTED TO PUSH IT OUT TO THE WEST.

WHERE THEY WERE GOING.

WITH THE SECOND CITY OF KAPOLEI.

NOW, WITH THE HO'OPILI UP AT KOA RIDGE.

RAIL WAS ALWAYS PART OF THE THAT EQUATION.

RESIDENTS GOES BACK TO THE DAYS OF FRANK FASI.

STILL HAVE THE PICTURE OF JOE SOUKI AND YAMASAKI WITH MODEL RAIL.

CALLED TSUKIYAMA TRAIN.

JOE SOUKI AND MAMASAKI, TWO MONEY CHAIRS >>Daryl: I THINK I WAS THERE TOO.

DATING ME.

I FOLKS HAVE GOT KAKAAKO IN YOUR, PARTS OF KAKAAKO IN YOUR DISTRICT.

TURNING INTO HIGHRISE THING.

PROPOSAL RIGHT NOW TO GIVE ALA MOANA SOME BREAKS SO THEY CAN PUT LIKE FOUR HIGHRISES ON THE PARKING DECK AT ALA MOANA.

HOW DO YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT THAT?

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT KIND OF HIGHRISE DEVELOPMENT GOING UP IN AN AREA ALREADY GOT AN AWFUL LOT OF DENSITY.

GOING TO GO HIGHRISE, SHOULD STAY IN THE URBAN CORRIDOR.

I'M NOT AGAINST BUILDING.

BUT I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALA MOANA PLAZA.

MY CONCERN IS 80% IS MARKET.

20% OF AFFORDABLE.

USE 80 OF OUR NATURAL RESOURCES MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE BOUGHT OR USED BY OUR CHILDREN AND THE NEXT GENERATION.

THOSE RESOURCES I THINK SHOULD BE TARGETED FOR OUR KIDS.

>>Daryl: LET ME GET IT STRAIGHT.

SO I GET THIS.

IT'S BEEN VERY COMMON PATTERN WHEN SOMEONE BUILD AS A BIG DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE X AMOUNT OF PORTION TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

ARE YOU SAYING THAT EITHER THE FORMULA IS WRONG OR THAT WE SHOULD JUST BE BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING INSTEAD HIGHRISE MARKET?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE TRULY AFFORDABLE UNITS.

SOME OF THESE UNITS, NOT ALL, BECAUSE THERE IS SEVERAL DEVELOPMENTS WITH THOUSANDS OF UNITS BEING PROPOSED OR BEING BUILT NOW, IN THAT AREA.

AND ALA MOANA SHOPPING CENTER TO ME IS NOT REALLY THE AREA TO PUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I THINK THAT IS PREMIUM LOTS.

THE AMENITIES IN THAT BUILDING ARE REALLY DESIGNED FOR THE RICH AND THE LUXURY.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AFFORDABLE, DON'T NEED THE AMENITIES.

FURTHER BACK MOILIILI AND MCCULLY.

SQUARE FOOT LAND COST IS LESS.

EXAMPLE IS PROJECT CALLED HALE, I MEAN, ELDERLY HOUSING.

NEXT TO STADIUM PARK.

DESIGNED FOR 55 PLUS.

IT'S TARGETING THE 30, 50 AND 60% OF THE MEDIAN INCOME.

THAT'S KIND OF DEVELOPMENT WE NEED TO BUILD >>Daryl: YOU TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT BACKGROUND.

I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

THEN I'LL CHAT WITH THE OTHER GUYS HERE ABOUT THIS.

ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE SHOULD JUST NOT BUILD LUXURY AND THEN FOCUS ON THE AFFORDABLE?

BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING THAT BUILDING LUXURY SUCKS RESOURCE.

SUCKS CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY.

ONLY GOT A LIMITED RESOURCES.

.

FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THE ALA MOANA PLAZA, I THINK RIGHT NOW, ON THE PROPER, THEY CAN ONLY GO 100 FEET.

WE'RE GIVING THEM 300 FOOT BASICALLY EXEMPTION.

FOR 20% AFFORDABLE UNITS.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD TRADE.

AND I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER BY FOCUSING FURTHER BACK AN PROVIDING OTHER INCENTIVES TO PROPERTY OWNERS THAT MAYBE DON'T EXPECT THAT KIND OF HIGH RETURN.

INTO DO YOU FEEL THAT THAT WILL TAKE THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY OFF THE FOLK YOU OF LUXURY HOUSING AND PUT IT ON TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING?

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?

>> YEAH.

I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, EVEN OUR CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY, WE HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES.

>>Daryl: I'M GOING TO STOP YOU.

TALKED A LONG TIME ABOUT THAT.

WITH YOU.

I WANT TO SHARE.

PHIL, WHAT ARE YOUR FEELING ABOUT THAT?

WHOLE BALANCE BETWEEN THESE LUXURY CONSTRUCTION VERSUS AFFORDABLE CONSTRUCTION?

>> YOU KNOW, INCENTIVES TO GIVING THEM EXTRA HEIGHT, TRADEOFF FOR BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT SHOULD BE MORE FAIR.

I THINK MAYBE IT IS BETTER TO DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING FURTHER BACK.

THAT'S PRIME RIGHT LAND >>Daryl: WHEN YOU SAY FAIR TO WHO?

FAIR TO ONE GUY IS NOT FAIR TO ANOTHER GUY.

>> WHAT THEY SHOULD DO, IF THEY DO ALLOW THEM TO FOREGO SOME OF THESE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THEY SHOULD RECOUP IT BY ASKING THEM TO PAY IMPACT FEES THAT WILL BE USED FOR BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON ANOTHER SITE.

WHICH IS NOT AS PRIME LAND.

FURTHER IN LIKE DAVE SAID.

IF FURTHER IN >>Daryl: MONEY GO TO GOVERNMENT AND GOVERNMENT WILL BUILD THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR PARTNERSHIPS?

>> YES.

THAT'S WHAT I THINK THE WAY IT SHOULD BE HANDLED >>Daryl: CALVIN SAY, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?

BALANCE AND THE QUESTION OF HOW DO YOU GENERATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING INVENTORY?

>> FIRST AND FOREMOST, RECOMMEND WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE SUCCESSFUL WORKFORCE HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING LOW INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPERS.

CASE OF POINT, HONOLULU ADVERTISER TOWERS.

FINANCED PRIVATELY?

801 SOUTH.

.

RIGHT.

JUST ONE.

VERY DISAPPOINTED WHEN I WENT TO THE ALA MOANA KAKAAKO NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD, WHEN THEY MADE A PRESENTATION IN REGARDS TO THAT PROJECT ON THE ALA MOANA SHOPPING CENTER PROPERTY.

I WOULD HAVE QUESTIONED MYSELF IF I WAS A COUNCILPERSON, HOW DID WE ALL AGREE?

TO CHANGE THE ALIGNMENT?

>>Daryl: RAIL >> YEAH.

THERE WAS AN ALIGNMENT ALREADY TO ALA MOANA.

NOW, THIS ALIGNMENT THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS FOR AREA THAT GOING UP TO UNIVERSITY.

WE AM ALIGNMENT GOING TO UNIVERSITY FROM THE ORIGINAL POINT.

THEY ACCOMMODATED THOSE DEVELOPERS.

THE COUNCIL AND THAT IS WHERE I GET VERY DISAPPOINTED.

>>Daryl: LET ME JUST, SUM UP WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE STORY.

COUNCIL, THE MAYOR SAID, DON'T BUILD THAT PARTICULAR HIGHRISE THERE OR BUILD IT DIFFERENTLY SO WE CAN MAINTAIN RAIL CORRIDOR THAT'S GOING TO MAKE A LEFT TURN AND GO UP TO MANOA.

AND BUT THE COUNCIL OVERRODE WHAT THE MAYOR WANTED TO DO AND ALLOWED THAT CONSTRUCTION WHICH ESSENTIALLY, FORCED REALIGNMENT OF THE RAIL IN ORDER TO GO TO MANOA, RIGHT?

YOU'RE SAYING THE COUNCIL SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE THAT?

>> THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE REQUESTING IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT THAT ALIGNMENT THROUGH THIS PROJECT, 400 FEET.

DON'T PUT THE NOOSE AROUND MY NECK.

I DON'T KNOW THIS DEVELOPER.

MY POINT OF THE MATTER IS THAT WE'RE GIVING UP SOMETHING IN RETURN FOR WHAT?

NEW ALIGNMENT?

>>Daryl: THEY GAVE UP ALREADY?

>> RIGHT.

>>Daryl: ESSENTIALLY, GIVING AWAY SOMETHING THAT THEY ALREADY HAD AND THEN GIVING AWAY SOME MORE TO GET IT BACK?

>> AND THEN FINALLY, FOR THE PAST, NOT MAYBE 7 YEARS AGO, PRIOR, WHEN I WAS SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, WE HAD BILLS.

WE HAD BILLS ASKING THAT THE DEVELOPER SET ASIDE 30%.

DIED IN THE OTHER CHAMBER.

>>Daryl: I GOT A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS THAT ARE INTERESTING.

SOMEONE IS CHASTISING YOU REPRESENTATIVE SAY, NO, DON'T SHIP THE TOURISTS TO OUTER ISLANDS.

MAUI IS OVERRUN BY TOURIST LIMIT.

LIMIT RENTAL CAR, ET CETERA.

ROOMS.

ANOTHER ONE, DO YOU SUPPORT STOPPING ADDITIONAL FINANCING FOR NEW HOTELS?

ONE OPTION MAINTAIN AND REDO CURRENT ACCOMMODATIONS.

ANOTHER ONE SAYING, WE CLEARLY HAVE ECONOMY BASED TOO MUCH ON TOURISM.

IT QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE DO TO MANAGE AND CONTROL TOURISM.

DO YOU LIKE THE SPECIFIC IDEAS OF BLOCKING CONSTRUCTION OF NEW HOTELS, REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF RENT CARS ROOMS, ET CETERA.

LITERALLY, REDUCE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO TOURISTS IN ORDER TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF TOURISTS?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE WHAT I MEAN LIMIT THIS, DO SOME LIMITS.

I THINK THE MARKET WILL DRIVE THE FORCES.

TREMENDOUS DROP IN TOURISM, DEMAND FOR NEW HOTELS WILL ALSO DROP.

SO IT MAKES SENSE TO JUST REFURBISH WHAT WE DO HAVE TO MAKE THEM MORE NICE.

I THINK THAT THE MARKET WILL DRIVE SOME OF THESE, WILL DRIVE SOME OF THESE FORCES.

LESS NEED FOR CARS ON THE OUTER ISLANDS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

I THINK IT WILL NATURALLY TAKE PLACE >>Daryl: HOW WILL THE MARKET CHANGE?

>> BECAUSE IF WE HAVE A LOT LESS TOURISTS, THEY WON'T NEED MORE HOTELS.

NEW HOTELS.

BARREL HAVE ENOUGH TO FILL THE ONES THEY HAVE NOW >>Daryl: THE QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU REDUCE THE NUMBER OF TOURISTS?

MARKET WILL KEEP SENDING YOU TOURISTS UNLESS YOU DO SOMETHING TO RATCHET IT BACK?

>> WELL, I THINK THE SAFEGUARDS WE PUT IN TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS WILL RESOME OF THAT TOURISM HERE.

>>Daryl: I WANT TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT AGAIN.

I WANTED TO GET TO FAST.

OR 4 MINUTES LEFT.

3 OR 4 MINUTES LEFT.

CLIMATE CHANGE WAS A BIG ISSUE IN THE PRESENTATION OF THE ALA WAI WATERSHED.

YOU GUYS HAD A BIG FIGHT ABOUT THAT.

CLIMATE CHANGE IS GOING TO AFFECT WHOLE ISLAND.

YOU GUYS HAVE TO MAKE VOTES ON THE ENTIRE ISLAND.

MAY ARE THE BIG ISSUES IS SEA LEVEL RISE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK, I'LL START WITH YOU REPRESENTATIVE SAY.

WHAT DO YOU THINK UNITEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT THE COASTAL COMMUNITIES THAT ARE EXPOSED AND THREATENED BY SEA LEVEL RISE AS THE CITY AND COUNTY OF HONOLULU?

>> ONE OF THE THE THINGS WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING AND HAVING VETTED IS SETBACK FROM THE OCEAN.

ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS, CLOSE TO THE OCEAN, INSTEAD OF 100 FOOT SETBACK, MAYBE A THOUSAND FOOT.

YOU PROTECTING THE PRIVATE LANDOWNER LONGTERM >>Daryl: WHAT ABOUT THE STUFF ALREADY THERE, MIGHT BE TAKEN OR DAMAGED?

>> I DON'T BELIEVE WE CAN STOP MOTHER NATURE.

OR ELSE LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED TO VENICE.

>>Daryl: DO YOU COMPENSATE THESE PEOPLE IF THEY LOSE THEIR PROPERTY?

>> I WOULDN'T.

>> I DON'T THINK YOU CAN COMPENSATE PEOPLE FOR LOSS BASED ON CLIMATE CHANGE.

PEOPLE WHEN THEY BOUGHT PROPERTY, ALONG THE SHORELINE, THEY KNOW THERE'S INHERENT RISK OF CLIMATE CHANGE, TSUNAMIS, HURRICANES, YOU NAME IT.

IT'S GOING TO BE ISLANDWIDE, STATEWIDE, EVERYWHERE SHORELINE HARBORS ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED.

IT'S REALLY TO BE DETERMINED.

YOU KNOW, HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADJUST TO THIS.

I DO THINK THE CITY CAN TAKE A LEADERSHIP ROLE AND WHEN THEY DO PROJECTS, TAKE CLIMATE CHANGE INTO CONSIDERATION.

LEAD BY EXAMPLE.

RATHER THAN JUST FORCE PRIVATE DEVELOPERS AND PRIVATE OWNERS TO BUILD THINGS TAKING CLIMATE CHANGE INTO CONSIDERATION.

>>Daryl: WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?

>> I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE IT MORE STRATEGIC LOOK AT THIS.

WE NEED TO, AT THE FIRST, CHANGE OUR POLICIES SO THAT WE CAN ELIMINATE SOME OF THE ADVERSE EFFECTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE.

SUCH AS WORKING TOWARDS RENEWABLE ENERGY, AND GETTING AWAY FROM BURNING CARBON DIOXIDE THAT BURNS HOLES IN THE ATMOSPHERE.

TRY TO WORK TOWARDS CONVERTING CARS AND THINGS THAT WILL DAMAGE OUR ATMOSPHERE.

AND WORK TOWARDS SLOWING DOWN THE CLIMATE CHANGE.

>>Daryl: SPECIFICALLY, DO YOU THINK, CITY & COUNTY ZONED PLACES PEOPLE COULD PUT HOUSE ON THE SHORELINE.

DO YOU FEEL IF HOUSES ARE THREATEN, LET THE OCEAN TAKE THEM?

>> YEAH.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING MORE HOUSING IN THE LOW LYING ZONES GOING TO BE GONE IN THE SHORTLY.

EVEN WE HAVE THE CONCERNED ABOUT THE RAIL.

THE RAIL STATIONS ARE IN SOME AREAS WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE FLOODED.

CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.

WHICH MAY HAVE TO RETHINK THAT AS WELL.

>> DARYL CAN I JUST SAY THIS?

CLIMATE CHANGE WILL BE OCCURRING.

WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING ANYTHING.

CASE POINT, ARE WE ADDRESSING HARBORS AND AIRPORTS?

I LEAVE IT LIKE THAT.

>>Daryl: WE'RE JUST LEAVING BIG ASSETS ON THE SHORELINE WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WE NEED SO MUCH VALUABLE RESOURCES FOR OUR AIRPORTS, HARBOR, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT MORE.

WHAT ARE WE AFRAID OF?

IT IS COMING.

INTO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MAHALO TO YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT AND WE THANK OUR GUESTS REPRESENTATIVE CALVIN SAY DAVE WATASE.

AND PHILMUND LEE.

MAHALO TO YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT AND WE THANK OUR GUESTS REPRESENTATIVE CALVIN SAY DAVE WATASE.

AND PHILMUND LEE.

NEXT WEEK ON INSIGHTS, A DOUBLE HEADER.

IN OUR FIRST HALF HOUR THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES FOR STATE HOUSE DISTRICT 13 REPRESENTING NORTHEAST MAUI, LANAI, MOLOKAI AND KAHOOLAWE.

INCUMBENT LYNN DECOITE WILL FACE WITH HER OPPONENT NATIVE HAWAIIAN ACTIVIST WALTER RITTE.

THEN FROM 8:30 TO 9, STATE SENATE DISTRICT 13 WHICH INCLUDES NUUANU, PUNCHBOWL AND CHINATOWN ON OAHU.

KARL RHOADS WILL TRY TO KEEP HIS SEAT AGAINST BUSINESS OWNER KEVIN MCDONALD.

PLEASE JOIN US THEN.

I'M DARYL HUFF FOR INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI`I, ALOHA!