IOWA, NEW HAMPSHIRE •IS THIS ANY WAY TO RUN AN ELECTION?

CAN ANYTHING BE DONE ABOUT THE SOUTHERN BORDER?

AND THE STATE...OF OUR STATE.

STAY TUNED, IVORY TOWER IS NEXT.

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO IVORY TOWER.

I'M DAVID CHANATRY, FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

I'M JOINED TONIGHT BY NINA MOORE FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY, TY SEIDULE FROM HAMILTON COLLEGE, BEN BAUGHMAN FROM GANNON UNIVERSITY, AND RICK FENNER FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

IT SEEMS AS IF CANDIDATES HAVE BEFORE WE GET TO OUR PLANNED PROGRAM THIS EVENING, TY, LAST NIGHT WE HAD THE U.S. AND THE YOU CAN WAR PLANES AND ALSO CRUISE MISSILES ATTACKED SOME POSITIONS IN YEMEN AND AS OUR MILITARY EXPERT ON THE PANEL, GET YOUR QUICK REACTION.

THE HUTIS ARE IRANIAN BACKED AND PUTTING PRESSURE ON OUR ALLIES.

IF WE ARE BOMBING ANOTHER ARAB COUNTRY, THAT WILL PUT PRESSURE ON THE STREET WHERE THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES SUPPORTING US IN THE REGION AND IT IS IN IRAN'S BEST INTEREST TO PUT PRESSURE ON US.

AND FOR THE U.S. NAVY AND THE UNITED STATES, WE NEED FREEDOM OF THE SEAS.

THE SPOT MARKET ON OIL IS UP 4% AND FORCING TANKERS TO GO AROUND THE TANK OF GOOD HORN, A MILLION DOLLARS EXTRA FOR EVERY TANKER THAT GOES THROUGH THERE.

WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE PANAMA CANAL BECAUSE OF WEATHER AND DROUGHT ISSUES.

THIS IS PUTTING REAL PRESSURE ON THE U.S. TO FIX THIS AND TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE FREEDOM OF THE SEAS.

I THINK I BOTTOM LINE IS THAT WE ARE CLOSER TO A WIDER MIDDLE EASTERN WAR THAN WE WERE YESTERDAY.

>> AND THERE HAD BEEN SOME ATTACKS ON U.S. POSITIONS FROM THOSE AREAS.

>> AND THERE WILL CONTINUE TO BE PRESSURE ON THAT.

THERE HAVE BEEN ATTACKS ON U.S.

FORCES IN SYRIA THAT HAVE INJURED DOZENS OF AMERICAN TROOPS.

NONE KILLED YET BUT I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THAT HAPPENS AND THAT WILL AGAIN PUT MORE PRESSURE FOR US TO REACT AGAINST THE IRANIAN BASED ATTACKS.

>> WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THIS IN THE FUTURE.

IT SEEMS AS IF CANDIDATES HAVE BEEN RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT EVER SINCE THE LAST ELECTION.

NOW, VOTERS WILL FINALLY BEGIN TO GET THEIR SAY.

NEXT WEEK BRINGS THE IOWA CAUCUSES, FOLLOWED A WEEK LATER BY THE NEW HAMPSHIRE PRIMARY.

HAS THIS ALL BEEN A MEANINGLESS-AND EXPENSIVE-EXERCISE SINCE IT APPEARS LIKELY WE KNOW HOW THESE VOTES WILL TURN OUT?

>> EXPENSIVE, YES, NOT MOON MEANING LESS THOUGH.

I DO BELIEVE IT IS WHAT WE SEE PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP FOR PRIMARIES AND A CAUCUS, THEY TEND TO SHOW UP FOR THE REAL ELECTION AT A HIGHER RATE.

SO THAT'S A GOOD POINT; ALONG WITH AWARENESS.

AND WE SAW CANDIDATES SUCH AS OBAMA MANY YEARS AGO, NOT SEEN AS LEGITIMATE THREAT UNTIL THAT FIRST CAUCUS OF IOWA.

>> IOWA IS NOT EXACTLY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE LARGER AMERICAN PUBLIC, BUT IT GETS A LOT OF ATTENTION.

>> YEAH, IT GETS A LOT OF ATTENTION, ESPECIALLY WHERE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS CONCERNED BECAUSE CAUCUS GOERS THINK THEY'RE COMPOSED OF 50 TO 60% OF EVANGELICALS SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY DRIVE THE ENTHUSIASM AND SUPPORT FOR TRUMP WITHIN THE EYE REPUBLICAN PARTY, IOWA IS A BELLWEATHER STATE FOR REPUBLICANS.

>> ARE THERE ANY ACTUAL ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED IN THESE-- IN THIS NEVER ENDING CAMPAIGN?

IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF IT HAS JUST BEEN ABOUT THE CULT OF PERSONALITY.

>> ONE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THIS YEAR, IT'S ALMOST LIKE HAVING TWO INCUMBENTS RUNNING IN A PRIMARY SYSTEM, WHICH WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD BEFORE.

REMEMBER THE PRIMARY SYSTEM ISN'T THAT OLD.

IT ONLY GOES BACK TO 1972 IN THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND BEFORE THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE SOUTH, IT WAS PART OF THE JIM CROW SYSTEM, WHICH WAS FINALLY ELIMINATED BY SUPREME COURT DECISION IN 1944.

SO THIS IDEA OF A PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY ISN'T THAT OLD.

I DON'T HAVE A BETTER IDEA, BUT BOY IT'S CONFUSING TO THINK THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PRIMARY SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

I WISH I HAD A BETTER IDEA AND I WISH NEW YORK WAS MORE OPEN TO INDEPENDENCE BEING ABLE TO VOTED IN PRIMARY SYSTEMS?

>> WHICH THEY CAN DO IN NEW HAMPSHIRE.

>> MANY OTHER STATES YOU CAN DO THAT BUT NEW YORK IS A CLOSED SYSTEM.

THERE ARE CLOSED, SEMICLOSED, OPEN, SEMIOPEN.

IT'S CONFUSING.

>> IS THIS ANY WAY TO RUN AN ELECTION.

>> DAVE, YOU MENTION THE FACT THAT THEY SEEM TO BE YELLING AT EACH OTHER AND ACCUSING EACH OTHER OF BEING AT LEAST DeSANTIS AND HALEY, ACCUSING EACH OTHER OF LYING AND WHATS ULGD IS XZ THINK VLGD RATE ATTACKS-- THEY SWRNT RELL REALLY ATTACKED TRUMP SINCE HE IS THE LEADER AND WHAT IS INTERESTING IS WITH CHRISTIE NOW BOWING OUT, WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN?

I THINK THAT NEW HAMPSHIRE COULD BE INTERESTING IF A COUPLE OF THINGS FALL IN LINE BECAUSE TRUMP'S SUPPORT RIGHT NOW IS ONLY AT 42%.

SO IF THERE WAS A CONCERTED ATTEMPT FOR THE OTHERS TO COALESCE AROUND ONE PERSON, I THINK THAT IT COULD TURN INTERESTING.

>> YOU MENTION CHRISTIE BUT HE ALSO SAID SHE IS GOING TO GET SMOKED.

SO HE DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOU.

>> THAT'S INTERESTING.

AND HE WAS ASKED WHY HE IS NOT ENDORSING HER AND HE CAME UP WITH A VERY GOOD POINT.

HE IS NOT CONVINCED SHE IS NOT RUNNING FOR VP AND HE DOESN'T WANT TO COME OUT AND ENDORSE HER AND THEN COME NOVEMBER, HAVE HER BE, YOU KNOW, ON THE TICKET WITH TRUMP WHO HE SEES AS, YOU KNOW, A PERSON WHO SHOULD NOT BE PRESIDENT.

>> YEAH, THAT MIGHT BE WHAT SHE WANTS TO BE SORT OF IN A SHADOW CAMPAIGN TO BECOME VICE PRESIDENT, BUT SHE HAS SAID REPEATEDLY THAT CHAOS FOLLOWS TRUMP WHEREVER HE GOES AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS NECESSARILY GOING TO DETER HIM FROM CHOOSING HER AS A RUNNING MATE BECAUSE WHAT HE WANTS TO DO IS WIN.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE GOING TO SEE PERCOLATE TO THE TOP HERE IS EITHER A WILLINGNESS OR NOT TO GET AT WHAT IS TRUMP'S SECRET SAUCE AND IT SEEMS TO BE THAT THE SECRET SAUCE IS SOMEHOW PRESENTING HIMSELF TO BE A MAN OF THE MAGA PEOPLE EVEN THOUGH HE IS FAR FROM THAT.

AND SO EITHER THE OTHER REPUBLICAN PRIMARY CANDIDATES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FILLING OUT HOW IS IT THAT THEY CAN GET A SORT OF CLINTONESQUE I FEEL YOUR PAIN MANTRA OR SOMETHING CLOSE TO THAT.

AND BIDEN WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE TO DO IT AS WELL.

>> AND JUST REAL QUICK, IT DOES SEEM LIKE THEY'RE RUNNING FOR 2028 RATHER THAN NOW.

WE ARE SEEING THAT WITH THE FACT THAT HALEY WENT AFTER THE BUSINESSES IN CHINA BUT WE HAVE TRUMP WHILE HE WAS IN OFFICE, HIS BUSINESSES EARNED OVER $5 MILLION FROM CHINA.

>> I'M SORRY, WERE YOU ABOUT TO MAKE A POINT?

>> I WAS GOING TO MAKE ONE LAST POINT.

I DO SEE SOME VALUE IN THIS HORSE RACE, NOT NECESSARILY FOR DEMOCRACY OR THE BROADER ELECTORATE BUT IN TERMS OF ALLOWING VOTERS WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO HAVE A VOICE IN CHOOSING THE CANDIDATES, BUT ALSO TO GIVE A SENSE OF WHERE THE ENTHUSIASM RESTS WITHIN THE PARTY AND A SIGN OF HOW THEY MIGHT FAIR IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.

>> NOW ONE ISSUE AT THE CENTER OF ANY CAMPAIGN THIS YEAR IS SURE TO BE IMMIGRATION AND THE BORDER SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE MIKE JOHNSON TOOK 60 HOUSE REPUBLICANS TO THE BORDER LAST WEEK.

THIS WEEK THE HOUSE HOMELAND SECURITY COMMITTEE HELD ITS FIRST IMPEACHMENT HEARING OF ALEJANDRO MAYORKAS, THE SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY.

NINA, DOES MIKE JOHNSON AND DOES THE G.O.P.

REALLY WANT TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM THERE?

>> WELL, BASED ON SOME STATEMENTS THAT WE'VE HEARD REPORTED AND THE NEWS MEDIA, ESPECIALLY IN THE ATLANTIC, IT SEEMS THAT AT LEAST SOME REPUBLICANS DO NOT WANT A SOLUTION AND THAT THEY WANT A PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY SEE THIS AS THEIR TICKET TO WIN, NOT ONLY THE HOUSE BACK, BUT PERHAPS ALSO THE SENATE AND CERTAINLY THE WHITE HOUSE.

WHY DO THEY BELIEVE THAT?

BECAUSE A SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE OF AMERICANS SEE THE BORDER SITUATION AS NOT JUST A PROBLEM, BUT A CRISIS, WHERE I THINK THERE IS SOMEWHAT MISCALCULATING IN THIS RESPECT THAT WHILE 68% OF AMERICANS DISAPPROVE OF HOW BIDEN IS HANDLING THE BORDER CRISIS, 65% DISAGREE WITH HOW CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS ARE HANDLING IT SO THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY WINNING, BUT I WOULD SAY THIS.

AS FAR AS THEIR POSITION GOES, THEY ARE CLOSER TO WHERE MOST AMERICANS ARE.

MOST AMERICANS, ACCORDING TO A RECENT POLL THAT WAS DONE JUST EARLIER THIS WEEK, SHOWS THAT MOST AMERICANS ARE NOT VERY SUPPORTIVE OF ASYLUM SEEKERS AND A SIGNIFICANT MAJORITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ASYLUM SEEKERS SENT BACK.

>> ASYLUM IS AN INTERESTING ISSUE BECAUSE ONE OF THE BIG CRITICISM IS THAT.

>> THAT IS TRUE NOT JUST HERE BUT EVERYWHERE.

IT'S A WESTERN HEMISPHERE PROBLEM AND ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT POP LIFTS AROUND THE WORLD HAVE BEEN USING THIS ISSUE IN EUROPE AND EVERYWHERE TO GET ELECTED SO I THINK THAT THERE IS -- THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS TO BE SOLVED BECAUSE IT IS GETTING TO BE-- NOTHING SOLVES CONCENTRATES THE MIND LIKE A REAL CRISIS.

IT IS AT THIS POINT A REAL CRISIS BUT IT'S A CRISIS ACROSS THE HEMISPHERE.

COSTA RICA HAS 300 ASYLUM SEEKERS PER 10,000 PEOPLE.

WE HAVE 39.

SO I THINK WE'VE GOT TO THINK ABOUT THIS AS A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM THAN WHAT IT IS NOW AND SOME OF IT IS THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A BETTER WAY TO DO ASYLUM.

WE NEED TO MAKE THE DREAMERS LEGAL.

AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THERE IS MORE LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

SO I THINK THERE IS A CHANCE WE COULD GET A DEAL.

>> IF I COULD TALK ABOUT RELATIVE SCALE, MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT FLOCKING TO COSTA RICA BUT THE EUROPEAN UNION IS SEEING MORE OF AN INFLUX BUT THEY'RE TALKING ON A SCALE OF 200,000 COMPARED TO THE TWO MILLION IN AMERICA.

>> RICK.

>> WHAT WE SEE HERE IS SOMEWHAT SELF-INFLICTED INJURY BY THE DEMOCRATS.

BIDEN CERTAINLY ENCOURAGED THIS SURGE AND DEMOCRATS WERE VERY DISMISSIVE WHEN THE PROBLEM WAS PREDOMINANTLY IN SOUTHERN TEXAS, AND WHEN DIFFICULT SANITIES AND ABBOTT STARTED THEIR GRANDSTANDING SENDING PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND THESE LIBERAL COMMUNITIES SAID HOLD IT.

WE CAN'T DEAL WITH THIS.

THIS GRANDSTANDING WORKED.

SO IS THERE A SOLUTION?

I THINK SOME SHORT RUN UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE TO STEM THE FLOW OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS BECAUSE WE CANNOT EFFECTIVELY ASSIMILATE THEM INTO OUR SOCIETY AT THIS RATE.

WE NEED MORE RESOURCES.

THE ONLY WAY THEY ARE GOING TO GET THAT IS 1: WE HAVE TO INCREASE LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

BUT THE ONLY WAY WE ARE GOING TO GET THOSE RESOURCES IS BY COMPROMISING WITH REPUBLICANS IN TRYING TO STEM THE FLOW OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

>> AND THE PROBLEM IS H.R.-2 WHICH IS WHAT REPUBLICANS ARE PUSHING NOW, IS MUCH HEAVIER ON BORDER SECURITY PEBBLIZING I AM GRANTS WHO ILLEGALLY CROSS THE BORDER AND OTHER THINGS.

THIS IS REMARKABLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT HAD BEEN PRODUCED ON IN 2013 BY THE GANG OF EIGHT WHICH TOOK INTO ACCOUNT BOTH THE PATHWAY TO CITIZENSHIP AND OTHER THINGS.

>> THAT GANG OF EIGHT DEAL DID NOT EVEN GET BROUGHT UP IN THE HOUSE.

>> BUT HAD A 68 VOTE IN THE SENATE WITH REPUBLICAN CROSSOVERS.

>> I AGREE.

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR DECADES.

CONGRESS HAS NOT BEEN TO GET IT DONE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S GRANDSTANDING.

I WOULD SAY IT'S HIGHLIGHTING WHAT THE BORDER STATES HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH.

IF YOU JUST LISTEN TO WHAT THE MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY HAS BEEN SAYING DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY PUTTING THE STRAIN ON THE SYSTEM.

THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE AND COUNTRIES WORRY ABOUT GOING BACK TO WHAT TY WAS TALKING ABOUT.

>> WHEN YOU PUT PEOPLE ON BUSES AND PLANES AND DON'T GIVE WARNING TO THE COMMUNITIES WHERE YOU ARE SENDING THEM, YOU DON'T HAVE-- YOU ARE NOT CONCERNED WITH THE I AM GRANS.

YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO MAKE A BIG POINT.

>> IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE BECAUSE POLITICAL INSTABILITY, CLIMATE CHANGE, VIOLENCE IN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE AND ACROSS THE WORLD IS GOING TO MAKE THIS A BIGGER ISSUE.

THAT'S WHY I THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING EVENTUALLY IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO TO HELP THIS BECAUSE EVEN FOR REPUBLICANS, THEY'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO GET SOMETHING DONE.

>> THE BIGGEST CHANGE NEEDS TO BE THAT THEY CAN WORK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WHILE THEY'RE HERE, WHILE THEY'RE WAITING FOR THE PROCESS TO GO THROUGH BECAUSE THAT'S THE RESOURCES ARE GETTING DRAINED.

>> WHAT ABOUT HUMANITARIAN PAROLE.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS USED TO ALLOW LARGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE FROM CERTAIN COUNTRIES: VENEZUELA, CUBA HAITI, AFGHANISTAN, INTO THE U.S.

LEGALLY.

AND THE G.O.P., ONE OF THE HOLDUPS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THERE IS SOME JOCKEYING AND DISCUSSIONS IN THE SENATE.

ONE OF THE HOLDUPS IS THEY'RE SAYING THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE OF HUMANITARIAN PAROLE.

YOU ARE OVERDOING IT.

>> THE PROBLEM IS, IF THEY WERE ALLOWED TO WORK, THEY WOULDN'T BE AS MUCH OF A DRAW ON SOCIAL RESOURCES SO I TOTALLY AGREE WITH BEN.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO ALLOW THEM IN WHILE WE ARE WAITING FOR THEIR ASYLUM HEARINGS TO COME IN, YOU'VE GOT TO ALLOW THEM TO WORK OTHERWISE THEY'RE JUST GOING TO BE A COST.

>> WHAT REPUBLICANS HAVE SHOWN IS THAT THE VAST MARKET MAJORITY OF ASYLUM SEEKERS, ONCE THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, DON'T ESTABLISH THAT THEY DO IN FACT HAVE GROUNDS FOR HAVING ASYLUM GIVEN TO THEM AND THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR VOTERS ALWAYS.

>> >> THE MIGRANTS BEING BUSED TO NEW YORK HAS DOMINATED THE NEWS IN OUR STATE FOR MUCH OF THE PAST YEAR.

BUT THAT BARELY GOT A MENTION IN GOVERNOR HOCHUL'S STATE OF THE STATE SPEECH THIS WEEK.

INSTEAD, SHE FOCUSED ON CRIME, HOUSING, AND MENTAL AND MATERNAL HEALTH, AMONG OTHER ISSUES.

OVERALL, SHE SAID THE STATE OF THE STATE WAS "CONCERNING."

SO, RICK, IS SHE RIGHT?

>> I DO THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS TO BE CONCERNED WITH WITH RESPECT TO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

UNFORTUNATELY SHE KICKED THE MAJOR TOPICS DOWN THE ROAD, AT LEAST TO NEXT WEEK WHEN SHE HAS HER SPEECH ABOUT THE BUDGET.

SHE DIDN'T MENTION, YOU KNOW, THE DEFICIT, WHICH IS RUNNING ABOUT $4 BILLION.

SHE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE EXPENSES OF DEALING WITH THESE 3450EUG RESISTANTS AND SO I THINK-- WITH THESE MIGRANTS SO SOME SOME WAYS SHE PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE.

INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT RESOURCES WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AVAILABLE, HOW WE ARE GOING TO PAY FOR THESE PROGRAMS, SHE STARTED TO TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT SHE WANS TO DO.

A COUPLE OF ISSUES THAT I THINK WERE KIND OF TELLING TO ME IS FIRST, SHE MADE THIS BIG PUSH OF A.I., YOU KNOW, SHE WANTS TO ATTRACT GOOGLE AND META AND SHE IS PLEDGING $250 MILLION OF STATE MONEY.

THAT'S LESS THAN HALF THE STATE IS PUTTING FORTH TO PUTTING UP THE BILLS STADIUM IN BUFFALO SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY A SERIOUS ATTEMPT AT BRINGING THEM IN.

THE OTHER THING I THOUGHT WAS VERY TELLING.

SHE MENTIONED JOE BIDEN'S NAME ONLY ONCE AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO DISAPPOINT THE DEMOCRATS WHO SHOULD HAVE THE STATES GOVERNORS PUSHING THE BENEFITS OF THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

>> SHE IS ALSO A POLITICIAN.

>> SHE IS A POLITICIAN.

AND I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, RICK, THAT THERE COULD HAVE BEEN MORE ATTENTION FOCUSED ON THE IMMIGRATION ISSUE.

BUT SHE IS DEALING WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT, RIGHT?

AND SO SHE HAS GOT TO BE CAREFUL HOW SHE TOWS THAT LINE.

WHAT I WILL SAY IS THIS.

SHE HAS A PRETTY FULL PLATE BECAUSE NEW YORK IS THE FOURTH LARGEST STATE IN THE COUNTRY AND ALL STATES ARE OR DEALING WITH LOTS OF ISSUESMENT HIECH AND COMPARED TO HER COUNTERPARTS, NAMELY FLORIDA, CALIFORNIA AND TEXAS, THE TOP THREE MOST POPULOUS STATES.

SHE IS DOING A MUCH BETTER JOB OR DEALING WITH BREAD AND BUTTER ISSUES WHEREAS DeSANTIS IN FLORIDA SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY FIGHTING WITH MICKEY MOUSE AND AS YOU SAID, YOU'VE GOT THE TEXAS GOVERNOR, GREG ABBOTT WHO IS FOCUSED ON USING IMMIGRANTS AS PAWNS AND EVEN DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR GAVIN NEW SOM, SHE IS TRAVELING AROUND THE COUNTRY TALKING ABOUT AUTHORITARIANISM WHICH AIN'T A PROBLEM IN CALIFORNIA.

>> THE ONE ISSUE SHE DID TALK ABOUT IS HOUSING AND THAT'S ONE ISSUE THAT NEW YORK REALLY NEEDS TO FIX.

SHE SAID THE ONLY THING THAT BUILDING HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF NEW HOMES.

ONE THING THAT NEW YORK REALLY SOLVE MANY OF OUR PROBLEMS IS MAKING IT EASIER TO GET MORE HOAMTION HOMES.

THAT'S ONE THING SHE IS CONCENTRATING ON.

SHE DIDN'T GET IT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE LAST YEAR AND LAST YEAR'S PROPOSAL DEALT WITH HOUSE AGO CROSS THE STATE AND COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE STATE INCLUDING THE SUBURBS AND SHE LEFT THEM OUT OF HER PLAN THIS YEAR.

>> I THINK GETTING ANYTHING ACROSS THE FINISH LINE WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT.

AND RIGHT NOW THE ART OF THE POSSIBLE IN HOUSING IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT SHE CAN DO.

START WITH SOMETHING IS BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW WHICH IS NOTHING.

>> AND SHE IS TACKLING IT FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THIS YEAR.

WHAT SHE IS TRYING TO DO IS INCENTIVIZE THE BUILDING OF THOSE HOMES.

AND JUST BACK A POINT MADE BEFORE, TAYLOR SWIFT WAS MENTIONED MORE THAN BIDEN, WHICH IS RIDICULOUS.

>> SHE IS MUCH MORE POPULAR.

>> BUT SHE ALSO, THE GOVERNOR ALSO SAID THAT SHE WAS GOING TO ADDRESS SIGNIFICANTLY THE IMMIGRATION PROBLEM AND THE BUDGET THAT SHE IS PUTTING FORWARD NEXT WEEK.

>> ONE THING I WANT TO SAY ABOUT HOUSING WHEN I WAS VERY HAPPY TO SEE MUCH OF THIS IS FIGHTING REGULATIONS BECAUSE NEW YORK STATE HAS AT THE STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL SO MANY REGULATIONS THAT MAKE INCREASING HOUSING STOCK DIFFICULT.

>> AND THE MICROCHIP PRODUCTION IS A HUGE DEAL.

IT IS GOING TO PUT UPSTATE ON THE MAP.

WE HAVE TO CREDIT HER FOR THINKING MORE ABOUT UPSTATE THAN MOST GOVERNORS.

>> NOW WHAT ABOUT CRIME.

SHE MENTIONED CRIME.

SHE HAS A PROPOSAL, RETAIL CRIME SPECIFICALLY, A PROPOSAL TO CREATE A COMMITTEE TO STUDY IT.

BEN... >> GOOD FOR HER.

I MEAN YOU GOT TO TACKLE IT.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE LIKE TO THINK HEY, IT'S GOING DOWN.

YES, IT'S GOING DOWN FROM HISTORIC HIGHS YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS BUT NOT PROPERTY CRIME AND WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT CAREER CRIMINALS IS SHOPLIFTER DOESN'T JUST SHOPLIFT THROUGHOUT THEIR CRIMINAL CAREER, THEY ALSO DO OTHER THINGS.

>> AND I THINK ONE OF HER PROPOSALS WAS TO TRY TO GET AT THAT IDEA OF SHOPLIFTING BY ATTACKING, NOT ATTACKING BUT IMPOSING PENALTIES ON THE COMPANIES LIKE AMAZON, WHERE PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY FENCE, THE MODERN WAY TO FENCE YOUR GOODS NOW, RIGHT?

IS AMAZON.

SO CRIME IS RESONANT WITH PEOPLE CERTAINLY.

>> YEAH, I MEAN THE BOTTOM LINE IS, THE MAJORITY OF CRIME IS COMMITTED BY A VERY SMALL PROPORTION OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE COMMITTED MORE THAN ONE CRIME.

>> OKAY.

I'M SORRY, WERE YOU ABOUT TO SAY... >> WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE SLAVE REPARATIONS ORDER THAT SHE SIGNED ALSO BUT MAYBE THAT'S A CONVERSATION FOR ANOTHER DAY.

>> THAT'S BEEN ON MY LIST SEVERAL TIMES TO TALK ABOUT IT.

HASN'T MADE THE CUT YET.

>> OKAY, WE'LL EEL WORK ON THAT.

>> WE NEED TO GO TO THE As AND FS.

NINA YOUR F. >> WE LEARNED THIS WEEK THAT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE LLOYD AUSTIN HAD SURGERY TO REMOVE ALL OR PART OF HIS PROSTATE GLAND DUE TO CANCER THAT HE DEVELOPED AN INFECTION WHICH LED TO AN INTESTINAL BACKUP, WHICH LED TO HIS STOMACH BEING PUMPED THROUGH A TUBE IN HIS NOSE AND THE NEWS MEDIA'S MAIN CONCERN?

THAT HE DIDN'T TELL PRESIDENT BIDEN JUST IN CASE SOMETHING SERIOUS HAPPENED WHILE THE SECRETARY WAS FIGHTING FOR HIS OWN LIFE.

>> TY.

>> MY F GOES TO THE FREEDOM CAULK HOUSE WOULD RATHER SHUT THE GOVERNMENT DOWN THAN COMPROMISE WITH A TWO VOTE MAJORITY, A DEMOCRATIC SENATOR AND DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT, THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN GOVERNANCE.

THEY WANT CHAOS.

PLEASE STOP IT AND PASS THE BUDGET.

>> AND BEN.

>> MY F IS GOING TO BOEING'S DOOR PLUG.

TREATING PLANES LIKE A LEGO SET.

ALASKA AIRLINES BLEW OUT 177 PEOPLE ON BOARD.

HAD THEY BEEN HIGHER, THERE WAS A CHANCE THEIR LUNGS WOULD HAVE CRYSTALLIZED AND THEY WOULD HAVE ALL DIED.

>> AND RICK, YOUR F. >> MY F GOES TO THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION THAT HAS RULED STATES MUST AVOID USING POP CULTURE REFERENCES AND HUMOR IN THEIR SIGNS CALLING THEM DISTRACTION TRACTING.

THE POINTING TO MAKE PEOPLE NOTICE THE SIGNS AND IF THEY HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL DOING THAT.

AND SECOND COMPARED TO THE DIGITAL BILLBOARDS, THE CHANGE EVERY 15 TO 30 SECONDS AND LINES OF SMALL PRINT, THESE ARE DISTRACTING.

COME ON, I THINK THE F.H.A.

NEEDS TO LIGHTEN UP A LITTLE BID R BIT.

>> TO THE As.

>> MORE THAN 20 MILLION AMERICANS HAVE SIGNED UP FOR OBAMACARE THIS YEAR ALONE ALMOST 4 MILLION OF THOSE ARE NEW ENROLLEES.

ALL TOGETHER, A RECORD NUMBER 92% OF AMERICANS NOW HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE THANKS TO THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.

THAT'S MORE THAN AT ANY POINT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

>> TY.

>> MY A GOES TO THE SYRACUSE VA MEDICAL CENTER IN THE ROME VA CLINIC.

AS A VETERAN MYSELF, I'M IMPRESSED WITH THE PROFESSIONALS WHO TREAT OUR VETERANS.

THEY WON THE VETERANS' ADMINISTRATION 2023 COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP CHALLENGE.

VETERANS ARE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE THESE TWO INSTITUTIONS PROVIDING GREAT HEALTHCARE.

I ONLY WISH ALL AMERICANS HAD ACCESS TO SUCH CARE.

>> PLAYS RIGHT OFF OF OBAMACARE.

>> BEN, YOUR A.

>> MY A IS GOING TO GO TO SEVERAL TEENAGERS THAT RAN TO SAVE A WOMAN AND HER TWO KIDS THAT WERE STUCK UNDER A CAR.

WITHIN THREE MINUTES THEY RAN TO LIFT THE CAR OFF THE MOTHER AND THE TWO CHILDREN.

EVERYBODY SURVIVED SO THAT'S WHERE MY A GOES.

>> OKAY.

RICK.

>> MY A GOES TO THE WALL STREET JOURNAL'S NEW SERIES LIFE MATH THAT PROVIDES RECOMMENDATION HOW TO OPTIMIZE YOUR TIME IN 2024.

A RECENT ENTRY THE SCIENCE BACKED SCHEDULE FOR YOUR PERFECT WEEKEND INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING EQUATION.

FOR HOW TO ALLOCATE YOUR TIME THIS SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.

NOW MY WIFE SAYS ONLY AN ECONOMIST WOULD APPRECIATE AN ATTEMPT TO QUANTIFY HOW TO HAVE A RELAXING WEEKEND.

>> ONLY AN ECONOMIST.

I WANT TO ASK YOU, NINA, ABOUT YOUR F. YOU GAVE AN F, YOU WERE MENTIONING DEFENSE SECRETARY AUSTIN AND YOUR F WAS TO THE NEWS MEDIA FOR FOCUSING ON NOT INFORMING THE PRESIDENT.

>> RIGHT.

>> SO THAT SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY BIG OMISSION NOT TO INFORM THE PRESIDENT.

>> SHE SHOULD HAVE, BUT HE DID TRANSFER HIS POWERS TO HIS DEPUTY, SO HE DID HIS PART.

AND CERTAINLY HE SHOULD HAVE DONE BETTER AND SO THERE IS A MOVE UNDER WAY TO IMPROVE THOSE NOTICES, BUT MY CONCERN WAS MORE WITH THE FACT THAT HIS WELL-BEING WAS AN AFTER THOUGHT.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CANCER.

>> NOW, TY, YOU ARE A MILITARY MAN.

THERE WERE SOME DEFENSE ISSUES WHILE HE WAS-- I MEAN WE ARE IN A SORT OF A HOT ZONE.

>> HE MESSED UP.

HE DID.

HE MESSED UP.

HE SHOULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB OF NOTIFYING HIS BOSS IN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND WHERE HE WAS DOING.

HOWEVER, HE HAS BEEN FED TO THE WOLVES.

>> OKAY.

>> FED TO THE WOLVES.

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