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>> COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

A NEW PROJECT LOOKS TO COMBAT ELECTION MISINFORMATION.

>>> AND IV FLUID SHORTAGE AT AN ARIZONA HOSPITAL.

>>> AND EFFORT TO DECASHNIZE THE U.S. MANUFACTURING INDUSTRY.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

TED: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

BOTH PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES ARE IN THE VALLEY TODAY.

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP WILL APPEAR WITH CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR TUCKER CARLSON AND FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE ROBERT F. KENNEDY, SCHEDULED TO START AT 6:00 ON GLENDALE'S DESERT DIAMOND ARENA.

>>> KAMALA HARRIS WAS IN TAWN FOR MIDDAY CONCERT WITH THE BAND LOS TIGRES DEL NORTE AT TALKING STICK AMPHITHEATRE IN PHOENIX.

>> DONALD TRUMP IS NOT DONE.

HE WILL DO WHAT HE WANTS, QUOTE, AND HERE'S WHERE I QUOTE, WHETHER THE WOMEN LIKE IT OR NOT.

THERE'S A SAYING, LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHEN THEY TELL YOU WHO THEY ARE, AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME HE HAS TOLD US WHO HE IS.

HE DOES NOT BELIEVE WOMEN SHOULD HAVE THE AGENCY AND THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE DECISION ABOUT THEIR OWN BODIES.

HE SIMPLY DOES NOT RESPECT THE FREEDOM OF WOMEN OR THE INTELLIGENCE OF WOMEN.

>> FOR HARRIS, HER SECOND TRIP TO ARIZONA THIS MONTH.

FOR TRUMP, HIS EVENT MARKS HIS THIRD ARIZONA CAMPAIGN STOP THIS MONTH.

>>> A COMMERCE DEPARTMENT REPORTED TODAY PRICES INCREASED 2.1% FOR THE YEAR ENDING IN SEPTEMBER, DOWN FROM 2.3% IN AUGUST AND SHY OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE'S TARGET RATE OF 2.0%.

ALL OF WHICH SUGGESTS THE FED WILL LOWER RATES MOST LIKELY BY A QUARTER POINT WHEN REGULATORS MEET NEXT WEEK.

>>> COMPENSATION FOR WORKERS WAS SHY OF 4% LAST QUARTER, ACCORDING TO THE U.S. LABOR DEPARTMENT, WHICH REPORTS WHILE THE SO-CALLED PAY BUMPS ARE SLOWING DOWN, THE 4% MARK IS OUTPACING INFLATION.

FEDERAL OFFICIALS CLOSELY TRACK COMPENSATION DATA BECAUSE IT CAN FORESHADOW INFLATION.

>>> NOT ONLY DID FIRST-TIME UNEMPLOYMENT CLAIMS DROP BUT THE NUMBER RECEIVING BENEFITS DROPPED.

BOTH DECREASES SLIGHTLY MORE THAN ECONOMISTS PREDICTED.

>>> THE DEMOCRACY DEFENSE PROJECT IS AIMED AT COMBATING ELECTION MISINFORMATION AND RESTORING CIVILITY IN POLITICS.

THE ORGANIZATION'S BOARD RELEASED A NEW POLL HOW ARIZONA VOTERS FEEL ABOUT ELECTION INTEGRITY.

WE WELCOME FORMER CONGRESSMAN MATT SALMON AND FORMER STATE REPRESENTATIVE DANIEL HERNANDEZ.

GENTLEMEN, GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

AT THIS TIME, JUST TO GET ANYONE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH ELECTIONS IS GREAT.

GOOD TO HAVE YOUR TIME.

MATT, START WITH YOU.

DISINFORMATION, FIGHTING IT HOW?

>> FIRST AND FOREMOST WEEK SHARING TRUTHFUL INFORMATION WITH PEOPLE AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN, LIKE COMING ON YOUR SHOW.

WE'VE DONE A LOT OF MEDIA APPEARANCES BUT ALSO DOING MEETINGS WITH SMALL GROUPS AND JUST DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND JUST HOW MANY SAFEGUARDS ARE BUILT INTO OUR SYSTEM HERE IN ARIZONA, AND ONCE PEOPLE REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE ELECTIONS, I THINK THEY FEEL A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE, BUT IT'S BEEN A REAL CHORE.

JARED: IT -- TED: IT HAS AND I WANT TO GET TO THE POLL NUMBERS IN A SECOND.

WE GET THE INFORMATION OUT ALL THE TIME.

THESE NUMBERS SUGGEST THAT A LOT OF FOLKS AREN'T BUYING IT.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE SEEING NOT JUST WITH THE ELECTIONS THEMSELVES BUT THE PROCESS FROM ELECTION SAYS LACK OF INFORMATION.

MOST PEOPLE I WORK WITH AND TALK TO ALL THE TIME ARE IN THE THICK OF IT, FOR EVERYDAY ARIZONANS, NOT THINKING ABOUT AN ID VERIFICATION WHEN YOU VOTE ON ELECTION DAY.

IS THE MACHINE CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET?

THESE ARE THINGS MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT.

YES, THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT THERE, BUT US COMING ON SHOWS LIKE THIS AND TALKING TO FOLKS EVERY DAY ABOUT THE DEMOCRACY DEFENSE PROJECT IS CRUCIAL TO INFORM PEOPLE.

WHAT THE POLLING SHOWED US IS PEOPLE HAVE CONCERNS ONCE THEY KNOW WHAT THE LAWS ARE IN ARIZONA, SOME OF STRINGEST AND TOUGHEST WHEN IT COMES TO SECURITY, AND LOOKING AT THINGS THAT WE DO THAT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DO, AND WE TELL THEM YOU HAVE TO HAVE SIGNATURE VERIFICATION, ID VERIFICATION, THESE RESTORE CONFIDENCE, ONCE THEY UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.

NOT KNOWING THE PROCESS IS A BIG BARRIER.

>> AND THE NUMBER OF BIPARTISAN EYES THAT ARE ACTUALLY AT EACH POLLING PLACE, REQUIRED BY STATUTE HERE IN ARIZONA, THAT EVERY PARTY, INCLUDING THE WANT INS ARE ADEQUATELY REPRESENTED AND THEN THERE'S TONS OF VOLUNTEERS FROM BOTH THE DEMOCRAT AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTIES THAT ARE THERE WATCHING OVER TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS DONE THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE.

>> MATT, 60% OF VOTERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT ELECTION INTEGRITY, AND 80%, THEY'RE STILL SAYING THAT THE 2020 ELECTION WAS STOLEN FROM DONALD TRUMP.

WHAT CAN YOU SAY TO THESE FOLKS?

>> I THINK THAT PART OF IT IS THAT, IN REPUBLICAN CIRCLES TODAY, THERE'S A LOT OF BULLYING GOING ON, TRYING TO SHAME YOU IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN, THAT YOU'RE NOT -- SOMEHOW NOT PATRIOTIC OR A RHINO.

SOME OF THAT SPILLS OVER.

WHEN YOU HAVE THE TOP REPUBLICAN IN THE COUNTRY, THE GUY RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW, AND THE TOP CANDIDATE RIGHT NOW, REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE, KARI LAKE, THAT CONSISTENTLY SPREAD THIS KIND OF MISINFORMATION, IT'S NOT HELPFUL.

>> IS THERE -- AND YOU REFERRED TO THIS EARLIER, IS THERE A WAY TO BREAK THROUGH THAT?

CAN YOU ONLY SAY SO MANY TIMES, NOT A SINGLE COURT CASE FOUND, THERE IS NO PROOF OF THIS.

CAN I SAY THAT UNTIL I TURN BLUE, YOU ARE PART OF THE DEEP STATE, ET CETERA.

HOW DO YOU GET PAST THAT.

>> YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT.

IT'S EASY FOR ME AS A DEMOCRAT WHERE MOST OF MY PARTY AND THE ARIZONANS THAT I SHARE IDENTITY WITH AS A PARTY BELIEVE THAT THE ELECTION WASN'T STOLEN.

IT'S DIFFICULT FOR FOLKS ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, TALKING ABOUT HOW DO WE HAVE FOLKS LIKE JAN BREWER, MATT SALMON, WHO ARE NOT LIBERAL IN ANY SENSE OF THE WORD.

MEMBER OF THE FREEDOM CAUCUS.

>> FOUNDING MEMBERS OF THE FREEDOM CAUCUS.

>> BRINGING TOGETHER DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, I DON'T AGREE WITH A LOT OF POLICY ISSUES WITH CONGRESSMAN SALMON.

WHAT WE AGREE ON IS THE ELECTIONS IN ARIZONA WERE FAIR, FREE AND SECURE, AS WE'RE HEADING INTO ELECTION DAY ON TUESDAY, PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, THINGS MAY MAKE YOU PAUSE AND THINK IS SOMETHING WRONG HAPPENING?

ONLY BECAUSE WE ARE HEARING MISINFORMATION FROM THE TO.

SO WHEN IT'S LONG LINES AT THE BALLOT BOX, WHEN IT'S TAKING DAYS FOR ELECTION RESULTS TO COME BACK.

THIS IS NOT A NEFARIOUS PLOT OR SCHEME.

PEOPLE LIKE BILL GATES AND STEPHEN RICHER WILL SAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE LONGEST LINES THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN IN DECADES.

>> BALLOT STUFFING, 80% OF REPUBLICANS THINK THERE IS BALLOT STUFFING GOING ON.

UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS VOTING, 60%.

OVER HALF OF DEMOCRATS THINK THERE'S BALLOT STUFFING GOING ON HERE.

WHAT IS GOING ON?

>> AGAIN, THERE'S SO MUCH MISINFORMATION THAT'S BEEN FORCED ON PEOPLE IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, NONSTOP, AND I THINK THAT CERTAINLY IS PART OF THE EQUATION, BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AFTER THIS ELECTION, THINGS WILL COOL DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

THAT'S MY HOPE AND MY PRAYER.

>> YEAH, YOU THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN?

>> YEAH, I THINK SO.

REGARDLESS WHO WINS ON ELECTION DAY, FOCUS ON THE REALITIES.

ARIZONA HAS SOME OF THE TOUGHEST LAWS, BIGGEST SAFEGUARDS.

TALKING ABOUT PAPER BALLOTS, THINGS NOT CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET, THIS IS THINGS ARIZONA HAS BEEN DOING FOR FOR DECADES.

REPUBLICANS PUT IT IN PLACE IN THE 90s AND SAW THE SHIFT IN THE 2020 ELECTION TO GO AGAINST THAT AND SEEING PEOPLE UNDERSTANDING THAT MAIL-IN BALLOTS ARE SAFE, SECURE AND THE WAY WE'VE BEEN VOTING FOR ALMOST THREE DECADES IN ARIZONA.

>> I FOUND IT INTERESTING THAT ELIMINATING MAIL-IN VOTING AND ALLOWING MAIL-IN VOTING GOT 30%.

WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?

>> PEOPLE FOUND MAIL-IN VOTING TO BE EXTREMELY CONVENIENT.

I WANT TO DECLARE THEY WAS PART OF A LEGISLATURE WHEN WE PASSED THE MAIL-IN VOTING, AND THERE WERE TWO REPUBLICANS IN THE SENATE THAT VOTED AGAINST IT, ONE WAS JAN BREWER AND THE OTHER WAS MATT SALMON.

SO BACK THEN, I HAD REAL CONCERNS, HOW CAN IT BE SECURE?

AND SINCE THAT TIME, I'VE USED THE EARLY VOTING ALMOST NONSTOP.

I'VE HAD TO.

I WAS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS FOR TEN YEARS, AND HAD TO VOTE BY MAIL, AND I'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND SEEN HOW COMPLETELY SECURE IT IS, BUT ONE OTHER THING, TED, I WANTED TO POINT OUT, THAT PEOPLE ARE GRIPING, IT'S NEVER TAKEN THIS LONG TO DO ELECTIONS BEFORE.

WHEN I RAN FOR GOVERNOR IN 2002 AND I LOST TO JANET NAPOLITANO BY LESS THAN A POINT, TOOK 14 DAYS TO DETERMINE THE OUTCOME.

THAT WAS CLEAR BACK IN 2002.

>> THAT IS SOMETHING WE ALL LEARNED HERE, WE HAD A NUMBER OF ELECTIONS SPECIALS ON THE SHOW, ADRIAN FONTES AND OTHER ELECTION OFFICIALS SAY, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN LOPSIDED RACES, WHEN THEY'RE CLOSE.

>> THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE A WHILE.

>> TAKE A LONG TIME.

REMEMBER WHEN THEY HAD THE HANGING CHADS IN FLORIDA IN THE 2000 ELECTION, 2001, AND THE SUPREME COURT ULTIMATELY DECIDED.

REMEMBER HOW LONG THAT ELECTION TOOK?

>> THAT BRINGS UP THE LAST QUESTION FOR YOU, WITH THE STATE NOT BEING SO RELIABLY REPUBLICAN IN THE PAST, RACES YOU COULD FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON ELECTION NIGHT.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE, IS THAT IN AND OF ITSELF A PROBLEM?

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM.

THE PROBLEM IS THE EXPECTATION WE KNOW RIGHT AWAY.

THE BALLOTS HAVE TAKEN A LONG TIME TO COUNT.

WHEN THE NEWS STATION DECLARES IT, PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION.

NOW WE'RE IN THE RARE ERA OF A PURPLE STATE, IT'S THE FORESEEABLE NORM FOR THE FUTURE.

IF IT SWITCHES ONE WAY OR THE OTHER BECAUSE SOMEBODY WON BY A LARGE MARGIN, THAT IS NOT HAPPENING ANYMORE.

>> I GOT TO SAY THIS.

EVERYBODY OUT THERE, PLEASE LEARN TO DISAGREE WITHOUT BEING SO DARN DISAGREEABLE.

IT'S OKAY TO HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS.

FIGHT FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE, CHAMPION WHAT YOU BELIEVE, DON'T HATE PEOPLE FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE.

THAT'S NOT AMERICAN.

>> GREAT WAY TO END THE CONVERSATION.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING US.

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TED: WHEN HURRICANE HELENE SLAMMED INTO NORTH CAROLINA, IT SHOOK DOWN A MAJOR SUPPLIER OF THE COUNTRY'S IV FLUIDS, AFFECTING HOSPITALS IN ARIZONA AND AROUND THE COUNTRY.

JOINING US NOW IS DR. FRANK LOVECCHIO WITH ASU COLLEGE OF HEALTH SOLUTIONS, GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

TED: WHAT IS IV FLUID?

>> SOUNDS SIMPLE, IT'S WATER AND SALT AND SOME ELECTROLYTES AND SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING YOU MAKE IN YOUR HOUSE.

IT IS SO MUCH MORE COMPLICATED TO THAT.

YOU HAVE TO TRAVEL ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO NORTH CAROLINA AND BACK, IT IS DIFFICULT TO REMAIN PURE.

TED: ONE SUPPLIER MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE, I THINK FOR SECURITY PURPOSES YOU HAVE OTHER SUPPLIERS AROUND?

>> THIS PLACE IN NORTH CAROLINA WAS 60% OF THE IV FLUIDS.

THE PERFECT STORM PEOPLE TALK ABOUT.

TED: HOW MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE IS IT MAKEING?

.

>> THE HOSPITALS HAVE A FOUR WEEK SUPPLY BACKUP OF IV FLUIDS.

YOU DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH BUT WANT TO HAVE ENOUGH.

RIGHT NOW THEY'RE UNDER 10 ON AVERAGE, UNDER 10 DAY SUPPLY.

THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'RE HOPING BY THANKSGIVING, THIS IS REPLENISHED.

TED: WHAT ARE YOU SEEING AT VALLEYWISE?

>> EVERYTHING IS COMPUTERIZED, IF I WRITE AN ORDER FOR IV REPLACEMENT, EVERYTHING IS RUN, ARE YOU SURE THIS PATIENT CAN'T TAKE IT BY MOUTH?

IF I WRITE FOR MEDICATIONS IV, THEY ASK YOU TO GO ORALLY.

TED: BANNER IS CANCELING SOME ELECTIVE SURGERIES.

>> ALMOST ALL ELECTIVE SURGERIES GET IV FLUIDS.

10% OF PEOPLE GET IV FLUIDS, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS TO STOP IT IF IT'S ELECTIVE.

WE HAVEN'T STOPPED ELECTIVE SURGERIES AND NO PATIENT CARE HAS BEEN COMPROMISED.

TED: PD SOLUTIONS ARE AFFECTED, WHAT ARE THOSE?

>> PEDIATRIC SOLUTIONS AND PEDIALYTE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN OTHER COUNTRIES THEY MAKE IT THEMSELVES.

THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE RECOMMEND PARENTS MAKE IT.

TED: ARE THERE ALTERNATIVES OR STOPGAPS TO IV, PD.

IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE DEPENDENT ON ONE PLACE AN AWFUL LOT?

>> IT IS CRAZY AND HAS TO BE SO, SO STERILE.

REMEMBER THIS THING HAS NO BACTERIA, NO VIRUSES AND SIT ON A SHELF FOR SIX MONTHS.

GO THROUGH DIFFERENT TEMPERATURES, EXTREMES AND STILL BE ABLE TO PUT IN YOUR VEIN.

IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU DRINK IT'S SOMETIMES SAFER THAN WHAT GOES IN THE VEIN.

TED: IVs AND DIALYSIS FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES, ARE WE IN THE MARKET?

>> WE ARE.

THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS TO DEAL WITH THE SHORTAGE, GETTING FLUIDS FROM ENGLAND, CANADA AND CHINA.

TED: REALLY?

>> YES, THAT'S RIGHT.

TED: IS THERE AN INSPECTION PROCESS?

YOU GOT INSPECT IT.

>> IT LOOKS THE SAME TO ME, EXCEPT DIFFERENT WRITING.

TED: I SEE.

AND YOU MENTIONED CONSERVATION MEASURES AT YOUR PLACE.

IS THAT PRETTY MUCH HAPPENING NATIONWIDE AT HOSPITALS?

>> THE HOSPITAL FOR MEDICARE BASICALLY DID A STUDY AND LOOK AT FIRST TWO WEEKS IN OCTOBER, JUST IN EMERGENCY DEPARTMENTS THE USE WENT FROM 5% TO 2%.

TED: IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION INVOKING WARTIME PROTOCOLS HERE?

>> THE WARTIME PROTOCOLS, WE CAN BREAK RULES AND EVERYTHING HAS AN EXPIRATION RATE IN MEDICINE AND PROBABLY OVERBLOWN.

IF IT'S GOING TO EXPIRE IN A YEAR, WE MIGHT PUT ON IT IT'S GOING TO EXPIRE IN SIX MONTHS.

THEY'VE EXTENDED THE EXPIRATION.

TED: THERE'S A LOT OF WORK AND EFFORT IN REBUILDING THIS FACILITY IN NORTH CAROLINA?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THE HOPE IS THEY'LL REPLENISH US BY THANKSGIVING.

TED: IS THERE HOPE THAT ALONG WITH GETTING THIS PLACE IN NORTH CAROLINA FIXED UP, WE START BUILDING MORE FACILITIES?

.

>> THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE AND YOU AND I ARE IN THE MARKET FOR ONE.

TED: I'M SORRY TO KEEP HARPING ON THIS, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW SOMETHING THIS IMPORTANT BE LOCALIZED TO ONE SPOT.

>> IT'S INSANE.

IT GOES FROM THERE TO HAWAII, DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

TED: YOU THINK THINGS ARE GETTING A LITTLE BETTER?

>> YES, ABSOLUTELY, AND THERE'S HOPE ON THE HORIZON.

I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE FLUIDS BEFORE THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE FLUIDS.

>> LAST QUESTION HERE, TALKING ABOUT IV FLUID.

ARE THERE OTHER ASPECTS OF HEALTH CARE THAT ARE SO DEPENDENT ON SINGLE FACILITIES THAT AN ACT OF GOD AND NATURE COULD SHUT THE WHOLE THING DOWN?

>> YOU MENTIONED DIALYSIS, WE FILTER THE BLOOD, ARTIFICIAL KIDNEY AND A LOT OF WATER GETS USED ON THAT, GALLONS AND GALLONS GO OUT.

UNFORTUNATE BUT IT'S NO CHOICE.

REQUIRED TO KEEP THE PATIENT ALIVE.

TED: WE DID SOMETHING WITH MICRO CHIPS, MAYBE LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THE BASICS OF MEDICINE.

TED: DR. FRANK LOVECCHIO, VALLEYWISE HEALTH.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

>> MY PLEASURE, THANK YOU.

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TED: AN ASU-LED INITIATIVE NAMED EPIC X, THE GOAL IS TO REDUCE MANUFACTURING CO2 EMISSIONS BY 60 MILLION METRIC TONS.

WE WELCOME SHREEDHAR SEETHARAMAN THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF EPICX.

GIVE ME A BETTER DEFINITION OF EPIC X.

>> THE X CROSSES THE C OUT AND THEY'RE AIMING TO REDUCE THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS THAT THE INDUSTRY EMITS.

U.S. INDUSTRY EMITS ABOUT 30% OF ALL THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS OF THE NATION.

TED: MY GOODNESS, THIS IS BASED OUT OF ASU, CORRECT?

>> HEADQUARTERS IN ASU BUT NATIONAL, SO IT REACHES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

>> YOU GOT A DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY GRANT?

>> THAT'S THE FOUNDATION OF OUR FUNDING.

$70 MILLION FROM FEDERAL FUNDS, MATCHED BY INDUSTRY AND OTHER PARTNERS.

TED: WHERE DOES THE $70 MILLION AND THE MATCHING FUNDS GO?

WHAT ARE YOU RESEARCHING AND LOOKING AT?

>> LOOKING TO REPLACE ALL THE PROCESS HEAT USED IN MANUFACTURING, SO OUT OF THAT 30%, THE MAJORITY IS HEATING STUFF UP, WHETHER YOU ARE BAKING BREAD OR MELTING STEEL, IT'S BURNING FOSSIL FUELS TO REACH THE TEMPERATURE YOU NEED TO REACH.

LOOKING TO REPLACE ALL OF THAT WITH ELECTRIC HEATING TECHNOLOGIES TO PRETTY MUCH ELIMINATE THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS USED IN ALL OF THE MANUFACTURING SECTORS.

TED: I SAW EVERYTHING FROM PASTEURIZED MILK TO MAKING CARS TO MELTING STEEL, IT ALL NEEDS ENERGY AND THAT MEANS CO2.

>> YES, YOU ARE COMBUSTING GAS.

TED: YOU MENTIONED ELECTRICITY, DOES ELECTRICITY HAVE THE POWER THAT YOU ALREADY DEVELOPED IN THE OTHER INDUSTRIES?

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>> THE TECHNOLOGY EXIST, YOU CAN REACH THE TEMPERATURES IN THE LAB, MAKING IT WORK ECONOMICALLY IS THE CHALLENGE BECAUSE YOU NEED THE EXTRA POWER, AND THERE'S A COST TO POWER.

AND UNLESS THE POWER IS ORIGINATING FROM CLEAN ENERGY OR NUCLEAR, IT'S NOT CARBON FREE EITHER.

YOU NEED TO INTEGRATE THE NONCARBONACEOUS POWER INTO THE FACTORIES, THAT'S ONE CHALLENGE.

THE SECOND IS FOSSIL BASED HEATING USED FOR CENTURIES NOW, RIGHT?

SO OPTIMIZED.

THERE'S A RISK ASSOCIATED WITH THE REPLACEMENT.

YOU CAN USE THE SAME RAW MATERIALS, PRODUCE THE SAME QUALITY PRODUCTS, AND YOU HAVE A WORKFORCE TO DO IT?

TED: YEAH, THE WORKFORCE IS INTERESTING, THE TRAINING COMES IN AND GOT TO BE PART OF THE MONEY, RIGHT?

>> ABSOLUTELY,S IN.

TED: STORAGE CAPACITY, STORAGE FACILITIES, ALWAYS BIG, WHEN IT COMES TO RENEWABLES AND THINGS.

IN GENERAL, FOR HEAVY INDUSTRY, HOW CAN THAT PLAY A PART?

>> IT'S A VERY CRITICAL PART.

INDUSTRY, UNLIKE VEHICLES OR HOMES, INDUSTRY HAVE TO OPERATE 24/7 USUALLY AND REQUIRE THE POWER PRODUCING GOODS, NOT WHEN THE SUN SHINES OR THE WIND BLOWS.

SO IT'S ESSENTIAL THE POWER IS AVAILABLE THAN THE NEED TO MAKE STUFF NOT THAT IT HAPPENS TO BE AVAILABLE FOR NATURAL REASONS.

STORM STORAGE IS A BUFFER.

IF THERE IS HIGH-PEAK POWER, USE IT WHEN YOU MANUFACTURE, THAT WILL BUFFER THE PROBLEM.

PLACE LIKE ARIZONA THAT IS CRITICAL WHERE WE RELY ON SUNLIGHT FOR RENEWABLE POWER.

THE ALTERNATIVE IS NUCLEAR, BUT IT'S NOT APPLIED AT SCALE.

TED: THE SMALLER NUCLEAR PLANTS WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT, ALMOST COMMUNITY LEVEL, IF YOU WILL, IS THAT EVEN AN OPTION?

>> IT'S BECOMING AN OPTION, IN EUROPE AND PLACES, STARTING TO IMPLEMENT MORE NUCLEAR.

MIGHT BECOME AN OPTION, SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE IN IT, THERE IS THE STIGMA AND PERCEPTION IT HAS TO BE OVERCOME.

TED: DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY WANTS TO CUT INDUSTRIAL HEAT BY 27% IN A YEAR OR SO, IS THAT DOABLE?

>> IT HAS TO BE DOABLE TO ACHIEVE CLIMATE GOALS.

THE CHALLENGE IS AT COSTS WHERE WE DON'T LOSE OUR INDUSTRY.

OUR INDUSTRY HAS TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE WHILE DOING SO.

WE SHOULD NOT LOSE JOBS BY MAKING INDUSTRY LESS COMPETITIVE.

CAN WE ACHIEVE REINDUSTRIALIZATION AT THE SAME COST AS WHAT WE'RE DOING OR BETTER.

THAT'S THE KEY.

TED: IS WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, HOW MUCH HAS IT IMPROVED OR HAS IT EVEN IMPROVED AT ALL OVER THE YEARS WITH THE CONCENTRATION AND ATTENTION TO CLIMATE CHANGE GLOBAL WARMING, ET CETERA?

>> THERE HAS BEEN ADVANTAGES OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT IT DOES NOT BEEN FAST ENOUGH TO ACHIEVE OUR GOALS.

THERE ARE SOME SECTORS WHERE THE U.S. INDUSTRY IS MORE DECARBON ICED.

IRON AND STEEL INDUSTRY IS PROBABLY THE CLEANEST IN THE WORLD.

IT'S BASED LARGELY ON ELECTRIC HEATING AND ELECTRIC FURNACES, IT IS SCRAP BASED AND DECARBONIZED.

OTHER INDUSTRIES ARE MORE CHALLENGING, CHEMICALS AND PETROCHEMICALS.

TED: LAST QUESTION, IN TERMS OF A GENERAL TRANSITION TO CLEAN ENERGY.

I WOULD THINK THIS WOULD PLAY A MAJOR PART?

>> ABSOLUTELY, BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE A BIG CUSTOMER OF THAT CLEAN ENERGY.

TED: YES.

>> AND INVESTORS AND USERS AND OUR CLIENTS WOULD WANT TO HAVE THAT, SO IT IS A POOL OF THE CLEAN ENERGY AND ACCELERATE THAT AS WELL.

TED: EPICX IS BASED OUT OF ASU, GOOD LUCK ON GETTING THIS DONE.

SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF HEAVY LIFTING IF YOU WILL.

>> INDEED.

TED: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

TED: THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.

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