UPSTATE, DOWN AND ALL AROUND, DEMOCRATS TAKE A SHELLACKING HAVE GUN, WILL TRAVEL.

THE SUPREME COURT TAKES ON NEW YORK'S GUN RESTRICTIONS.

AND WHERE ARE THE MEN....A GENDER GAP ON CAMPUS.

STAY TUNED, IVORY TOWER IS NEXT.

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ GOOD EVENING WELCOME TO IVORY TOWER.

I'M DAVID CHANATRY, FROM UTICA COLLEGE.

I'M JOINED THIS WEEK BY NINA MOORE FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY, TARA ROSS FROM ONONDAGA COMMUNITY COLLEGE, AND BEN BAUGHMAN FROM CAZENOVIA COLLEGE.

THERE MAY HAVE BEEN AN OFF YEAR FOR ELECTIONS BUT THERE WERE STILL SOME BIG ONES.

OF COURSE THE GUBERNATORIAL ELECTIONS GOT A LOT OF ATTENTION BUT WE'VE HAD SOME VERY INTERESTING MAYORAL ELECTIONS HERE IN NEW YORK AND BALLOTING ISSUES AS WELL.

WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF DAYS TO PARSE THE RESULTS AND NINA, WHAT ARE THE TAKEAWAYS?

>> WELL, I THINK, DAVE, THAT ONE OF THE MAIN TAKEAWAYS IS THAT WOKISM, AS IT'S CALLED AND WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THE VERY ADMIRABLE IDEALS OF THAT MOVEMENT STILL HAVE TO WAKE UP TO THE REALITY OF HOW ELECTIONS WORK.

AND THIS ISN'T JUST COMING FROM NINA.

I'M GOING TO GET SOME COVER HERE FROM A CONSERVATIVE WRITER ALSO CIVIL RIGHTS LEADER REVEREND AL SHARPTON AND FINALLY DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST JAMES CARVILLE, ALL OF WHOM POINTED OUT THAT I THINK THE REVEREND PUT BEST.

IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO WAKE UP, LIE IN BED IN THE MORNING.

YOU HAVE TO GET UP, YOU HAVE TO SHOWER AND YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND DO SOMETHING THAT MATTERS TO VOTERS.

AND IN MANY OF THESE ELECTIONS, WE SAW THAT THE AGENDA OF PROGRESSIVES, ESPECIALLY, BUT MORE GENERALLY DEMOCRATS REALLY DIDN'T MATTER TO VOTERS.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS INTENSE FOCUS ABORTION RIGHTS LEADING UP TO THE VIRGINIA ELECTION DIDN'T RESONATE WITH A MAJORITY OF WHITE WOMEN.

THE DEFUND THE POLICE, I THINK, WAS VERY DAMAGING.

WE SAW VOTERS REJECT THAT IN MINNEAPOLIS AND WHAT-- I LAUGHED WHEN I SAW THE RESULTS OF THE MAYORAL CAMPAIGN IN BUFFALO WHERE YOU HAD A SOCIALIST RUPP AND-- A SOCIALIST RUN AND THE PEOPLE ENDED UP CHOOSING A MODERATE DEMOCRAT THROUGH A WRITE-IN, RIGHT?

AND THEN YOU PAN OVER TO JUST TO NEW YORK CITY WITH ERIC ADAMS, A FORMER POLICE OFFICER WHO RAN ON KITCHEN TABLE ISSUES HOMELESSNESS.

I LITERACY, MAKING SURE THAT SMALL BUSINESSES ARE SUPPORTED.

SO DEMOCRATS AND PROGRESSIVES HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO TALK TO VOTERS ABOUT THEIR ISSUES.

>> MAYBE THEY TRIED TO NATIONALIZE A LOT OF THE ELECTIONS IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO KITCHEN TABLE ISSUES?

>> YOU CERTAINLY SAW THAT HERE IN SYRACUSE WHERE THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE OF SUPPORT FOR THE POLICE AND MORE SAFETY IN THE COMMUNITY AND EVEN THOUGH SHE CAME IN A DISTANT THIRD, THAT ISSUE BEGAN TO BE PICKED UP BY BEN WALSH AND HE, IN A SENSE, WAS ABLE TO SHOW HIS SUPPORT FOR BOTH THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO FOR THE POLICE WITH THE NEW CONTRACT THAT HE APPROVED AND THE FACT THAT YOU NOW HAVE A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT HERE IN SYRACUSE, WHICH IS SOMETHING MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY HAVE WANTED FOR QUITE SOMETIME.

AND THIS ISSUE OF SUPPORT FOR THE POLICE, THE OPPOSITION TO DEFUND THE POLICE, YOU SAW IN NUMEROUS ELECTION AS ROUND THE COUNTRY SO YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

>> SYRACUSE, A DEMOCRATIC CITY HAS FOR THE SECOND TERM, AN INDEPENDENT MAYOR, NOT A DEMOCRAT.

>> I DO THINK THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT RESONATED WITH VOTERS THAT YOU BOTH TOUCHED ON.

THE DEFUND THE POLICE, AUSTIN, TEXAS, THEY HAD CUT THEIR DEPARTMENT BY A THIRD GOING INTO THE DEFUND THE POLICE.

THEIR MURDER RATE IS UP 71%.

THEIR RESPONSE TIMES TO CALLS ARE 30% SLOWER AND THEN IN MINNEAPOLIS WAS MENTIONED AND IT WAS 56% VOTED FOR THE REFERENDUM TO HAVE POLICE RATHER THAN THE PUBLIC SAFETY AGENCY THAT THEY WANTED TO HAVE.

AND THEN THE EDUCATION PART IS THE OTHER ONE THAT RESONATED WITH THE VIRGINIA PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR THE GOVERNOR AND THEY -- THE REALLY-- I THINK WHAT SPOKE TO PEOPLE IS TEACHING KIDS HOW TO THINK CRITICALLY REGARDS THAN WHAT TO THINK.

AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT RESONATED WITH A LOT OF VOTERS.

>> I THINK YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, THAT RESONATED BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE EXIT POLLS DONE BY NBC NEWS, THEY SHOW THE TOP OF THE AGENDA FOR VIRGINIA VOTERS FIRST AND FOREMOST WERE TAXES, JOBS AND THE ECONOMY.

THIRD WAS PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT IN EDUCATION.

BUT THAT WAS BOTH ABOUT THE CRITICAL RACE THEORY AS WELL AS THE WAY IN WHICH THE COVID REOPENING OR CLOSURES WERE HANDLED.

BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, UNDERLYING A LOT OF THAT IS JUST THIS SENSE THAT DEMOCRATS AND PROGRESSIVES, AS THEY SEEM REFLECTED IN TERRY Mc MCCAULIFF'S COMMENTS, HAVE THE ATTITUDE THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE OR ADVANCED DEGREE THAT ARE USED TO TALK TO SCHOOLS ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE TAUGHT-- I'LL MENTION OTHER THINGS AND I WONDER YOUR THOUGHTS-- DEMOCRATS SHOULD LEARN THAT PUSHING THE BUTTON ABOUT TRUMP IS NOT GOING TO MATTER BECAUSE ALTHOUGH HE WAS ENDORSED BY TRUMP, HE DISTANCED HIMSELF FROM TRUMP AND THEN THE REACTION TO VIRGINIA VOTERS OF SOME PUNDITS TO SAY OH THAT'S JUST A SIGN OF RACISM.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO FLY.

I DON'T THINK YOU ARE GOING TO WIN VOTERS OVER BY FOCUSING ON YOUR ISSUES INSTEAD OF WAS WE THINK YOU SHOULD FOCUS ON, MAKES US RACIST.

>> AND I THINK YOU ARE 100% RIGHT.

HISTORICALLY WAS WE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT IS THAT THE CURRENT SITTING PRESIDENT THAT HAS MORE INFLUENCE THAN PAST PRESIDENTS AND I THINK THE DEMOCRATS MISSED THAT.

I THINK THEY MISSED THAT MEMO.

THEY WERE PUSHING THAT BUTTON OF HOW DIVERSE WE ARE AS A COUNTRY AND TRYING TO RIDE THAT AND BLAME TRUMP AND CONNECT THAT TO ALL REPUBLICANS.

AND I DO THINK THAT WAS A POINT.

>> WHAT ABOUT HERE IN NEW YORK?

WE HAD FIVE BALLOT INITIATIVES AND I THINK THAT THEY KIND OF RELATE TO THE SAME POINT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN ONE SENSE.

TARA, WHAT ABOUT THE BALLOT INITIATIVES HERE?

ANY TAKEAWAY ON HOW THEY TURNED OUT?

>> FIRST AND FOREMOST WE GET BACK TO ONE OF THE ORIGINAL POINTS NINA MADE, IT WAS ABOUT THE COMMUNICATION.

THE COMMUNICATION ABOUT MANY OF THE BALLOT INITIATIVES AT LEAST FROM THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE OR, I SHOULD SAY THE MORE LIBERAL SIDE OR MORE PROGRESSIVE SIDE WAS NOT VERY GOOD.

AND CERTAINLY IF YOU TAKE THAT BALLOT INITIATIVE 1 WHICH WOULD HAVE LIMITED THE NUMBER OF SENATORS BUT WHICH ALSO WOULD HAVE SORT OF CHANGED THE WAY THE BIPARTISAN COMMISSION WAS SET UP TO LOOK AT REDISTRICTING, ET CETERA, MANY PEOPLE FOUND THAT BALLOT INITIATIVE VERY CONFUSING.

THEY THOUGHT THAT OKAY I LIKE ONE PART.

I DON'T LIKE THE OTHER PART SO IT WAS TOO MUCH OF ONE BALLOT INITIATIVE.

VERY CONFUSING AND MOST VOTERS SIMPLY WALKED AWAY FROM IT.

IF YOU ALSO LOOK AT THE INITIATIVE ON THE EARLY VOTING ON THE ABSENTEE BALLOTING, AGAIN, WHAT SOUNDED REALLY GOOD, MANY PEOPLE THOUGHT, OKAY, WAIT A MINUTE.

YOU DIDN'T REALLY EXPLAIN TO ME WHY IS THIS 10-DAY WAITING PERIOD A BAD THING.

YOU DIDN'T REALLY EXPLAIN TO ME WHY WE REALLY NEED THIS CHANGE IN ABSENTEE VOTING AND VOTERS REJECTED ALL THREE.

>> AND THAT CERTAINLY IS TIED TO THE WHOLE, EVERYTHING WE SAW IN THE LAST ELECTION NATIONAL ELECTION ABOUT ABSENTEE BALLOTS.

AND THERE WAS A CAMPAIGN, A CAMPAIGN AGAINST THOSE BALLOT INITIATIVES.

I KEPT SEEING REPEATED COMMERCIALS, AT LEAST WHERE I LIVE.

>> I STILL WALKED AWAY CONFUSED.

I WILL SAY ONE OTHER THING BECAUSE WE'VE ALL BEEN TALKING ABOUT WHAT DEMOCRATS CAN DO DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE DEMOCRATS LOST MORE THAN THEY WON.

I THINK ANOTHER PIECE OF THIS IS UNDERSTANDING THAT REPUBLICANS ARE ENGAGING IN RACE BAITING.

THEY WANT TO PULL DEMOCRATS INTO A CULTURE WAR BECAUSE THEY CANNOT WIN ON MANY OF THEIR OTHER ISSUES IN TERMS OF WINNING OVER WORKING CLASS VOTERS SO YOU FOCUS ON ABORTION, CRITICAL RACE THEORY AND THOSE THINGS.

DEMOCRATS HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY HOW TO ADDRESS THAT AND THEN MOVE ON AND NOT ALLOW REPUBLICANS TO DEFINE THE ISSUE.

TERRY MCAULIFFE, WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM WAS A SELF INFLICTED WOUND.

>> WE HAVE TO MOVE ON TO THE SECOND AMENDMENT GUARANTEEING THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS.

BUT HOWF DOES THAT RIGHT GO?

BACK IN THE 0 0 8, THE SUPREME COURT RULE THE RIGHT EXISTED FOR SELF-DEFENSE IN THE HOME THIS WEEK THE COURT HEARD A CHALLENGE TO A NEW YORK CASE THAT LIMITS CARRYING GUNS IN PUBLIC PLACES.

WE DON'T WHERE THE COURT WILL COME DOWN, BUT WE CAN ADDRESS THE QUESTION-- SHOULD LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS BE ALLOWED TO CARRY WEAPONS IN PUBLIC?

BEN, YOU'RE A FORMER POLICE OFFICER....WOULD THAT BE GOOD POLICY?

DOES THAT TRIEK YOU AS GOOD POLICY?

>> GENERALLY NO, NOT WITHOUT TRAINING, NOT WITHOUT REGULATION.

WHERE WE NEED TO START WITH THE CONVERSATION IS THE 27 WORDS THAT MAKE UP THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

THAT'S IT.

27 WORDS.

AND THE FIRST FOUR OF THEM IS A WELL REGULATED MILITIA.

THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE FOCUS WAS.

U.S.

VS. MILLER IN 1939, THEY STATED THE OBVIOUS PURPOSE OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS TO ENSURE THAT THE CONTINUATION AND RENDER POSSIBLE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF MILITIAS.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WAS BELIEVED TO BE THE PURPOSE OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT UNTIL 2008.

AND WITH DECADES OF INFLUENCE, I THINK, FROM THE NRA AND OTHERS ABOUT HAVING THE ABILITY TO DEFEND YOURSELF AND TO HAVE A GUN IN YOUR HOUSE WAS SUCCESSFUL IN PROMOTING JUDICIAL ACTIVISM.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SAW IN 2008.

IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHERE WE GO CURRENTLY WITH IT.

I DO BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE GUNS IN OUR HOUSES AND BE ABLE TO PROTECT OURSELVES.

BUT AS FAR AS HAVING A GUN AND WALKING THROUGH THE AIRPORT, GETTING ON A PLANE WITH GUNS?

THERE HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF REGULATION.

>> SO WHAT IF WE STEP BACK FROM THAT EXTREME CASE, GETTING ON A PLANE, WHICH, I MEAN, YOU STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH SECURITY AND ALL.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE.

BUT GOING TO JUST WALKING DOWN THE STREET.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE ACCEPTABLE?

>> AGAIN, I THINK THERE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE REGULATION.

I THINK THAT IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE IF YOU HAVE HAD A MENTAL EPISODE AND YOU ARE SEEING THINGS THAT AREN'T THERE.

YOU SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CARRY A GUN UNTIL YOU ARE NOT SEEING THINGS THAT ARE NOT THERE AT THE VERY LEAST.

THERE HAS TO BE REGULATION.

SO THERE IS NO CLEAR CUT WAY OF SAYING YES, I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO WALK-- EVERYBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO WALK DOWN THE STREET WITH A GUN BECAUSE I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT THINK THAT.

>> MEAN THEY ARC.

>> YEAH, WELL-- NINA.

I REALLY HATE DISAGREEING WITH MY ESTEEMED COL LEAGUE, BEN BAUGHMAN BUT I'M GOING TO DISAGREE BASED ON MY UPBRINGING AND THE ROBERT TAYLOR HOMES OF CHICAGO AND WHEN YOU LIVE IN INCREDIBLY VIOLENT NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO SELF-DEFENSE, OTHERWISE YOU ARE HOSTAGE TO CRIMINALS WHO ARE NOT GETTING THEIR GUNS LEGALLY.

>> YOU ARE NOT DISAGREEING WITH ME AT ALL.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

YEAH NO.

I JUST THINK THEY NEED TRAINING, RIGHT?

THEY NEED TRAINING AND NOT JUST CARRYING A GUN BUT ALSO HAVE SOME SORT OF PERMIT.

>> IF I COULD REACT TO ONE OTHER THING YOU SAID ABOUT HOW THIS IS HANDLED IN D.C.V HELLER, THE CHALLENGERS TO THE NEW YORK STATE LAW ARE HANGING THEIR HAT LITERALLY ON THE WORDS IN THE SECOND AMENDMENT AND SAYING THAT IT PROVIDES THE RIGHT TO BOTH KEEP AND BEAR ARMS AND THEY'RE SAYING KEEP AND BEAR ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS.

AND THAT BEAR MEANS BEING ABLE TO CARRY IT.

EVEN MORE STRIKING TO ME IS NOW YOU'VE GOT PUBLIC DEFENDERS AND THE BLACK LAWYERS LEGAL AID FIGHTING WITH THE CHALLENGERS, ARGUING THAT THE WAY IN WHICH THESE LAWS ARE ENFORCED DISPROPORTIONATELY ENTANGLE BLACK SUSPECTS AND, YOU KNOW, HANG THEM WITH A FELONY OR PUT ON THEM A FELONY CONVICTION.

>> THAT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE STRONGEST ARGUMENTS THAT SUPPORTS THE RIFLE AND PISTOL ASSOCIATION IS THE DISPROPORTIONATE SENTENCING AND PENALTIES FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR WHO HAVE BEEN FOUND TO HAVE HAD A GUN, NOT NECESSARILY HAVE DONE ANYTHING NEGATIVE WITH IT BUT FOUND TO HAVE HAD A GUN AND NOT HAD AN APPROVED LICENSE FOR HAVING THAT GUN AND CARRYING IT IN PUBLIC.

BUT I THINK PART OF WHAT IS GOING TO TRIP UP THE COURT HERE IS THAT BALANCING ACT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO BECAUSE I DON'T THINK EVEN THE CONSERVATIVES ON THE COURT WHO SUPPORT ORIGINALISM ARE GOING TO SAY THAT THERE WAS AN INTENT ON THE PART OF THE BOUNDERS TO SAY THAT THERE SHOULD BE NO REGULATION AT ALL BECAUSE THERE WERE REGULATIONS EVEN WHEN THE FOUNDERS WERE WRITING THE CONSTITUTION.

SO FOR THEM TO STATE, MAKE THAT STATEMENT, OH NO, THERE WAS NO INTENT HERE, I MEAN IT'S VERY OBVIOUS THERE WAS.

SO FOR THEM, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE CAN WE FIND THAT LINE WHERE WE CAN SUPPORT REGULATION BUT PERHAPS REQUIRE A LITTLE MORE LENIENCY IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO CARRY IN PUBLIC.

>> SO I WANT TO-- NINA, YOU WERE USING THE ARGUMENT OF SELF-DEFENSE ESSENTIALLY IN SAYING YOU KNOW, IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES IN CRIME RIDDEN NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT'S CRITICAL.

BUT IF PEOPLE-- IF EVERYBODY IS WALKING AROUND ARMED, THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL IN SOME SITUATIONS BUT IS THERE A CHANCE THAT THAT LEADS TO A LOT OF UNWARRANTED GUN PLAY; PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WHO MAYBE ARE NOT-- YOU CAN GET TRAINING BUT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SHOOT AS WELL AS YOU ARE AS A POLICE OFFICER.

A LOT OF UNNECESSARY GUN DEATHS?

>> THE REALITY IS STATISTICALLY GUNS ARE USED IN ABOUT 1% FOR SELF-DEFENSE.

THE REALITY IS MOST OF THE TIME THE GUNS ARE BEING USED, IT'S NOT FOR SELF-DEFENSE.

SO WE GOT TO DEAL WITH THE REALITY FIRST.

AND THE SECOND PART IS, WHEN THIS WAS WRITTEN, AND AGAIN, THE THIRD WORD IS REGULATED IN THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

SO THEY HAD TO HAVE TRAINING IN ORDER TO EVEN USE THE GUNS THAT WERE AROUND WHETHER THIS WAS WRITTEN.

>> NO ONE IS TALKING YOU COULD HAVE A GUN WALKING AROUND WITH NO PERMIT.

YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO GET A LICENSE TO OWN A GUN, PRESUMABLY.

>> I WOULD CERTAINLY HOPE SO AND THAT'S MY POINT.

WHEN THIS WAS WRITTEN, MOST PERSONS WERE USING GUNS BECAUSE THEY WERE FARMERS, THEY WERE PROTECTING THEIR CROPS, THEIR LIVESTOCK.

THEY WERE HUNTING FOR THE FOOD ON THEIR TABLES.

AND IN ORDER TO USE THE GUN, THEY HAD TO KNOW HOW TO ACTUALLY LOAD IT AND USE IT.

THEY'RE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN THEY ARE NOW.

>> OKAY.

SOMETHING ODD IS GOING ON ON OUR NATION'S CAMPUSES-THE MEN ARE DISAPPEARING!

AT THE END OF THE LAST ACADEMIC YEAR, 60 PERCENT OF ALL COLLEGE STUDENTS WERE WOMEN.

MEN ACCOUNT FOR 71 PERCENT OF THE DECLINE IN COLLEGE STUDENTS OVER THE PAST 5 YEARS; THIS YEAR A -MILLION- MORE WOMEN APPLIED TO COLLEGE THAN MEN.

SO TARA, WHERE ARE ALL THE MEN?

>> THEY'RE IN A VARIETY OF PLACES.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, ONE OF THE ISSUES IS THAT-- AND THIS IS HISTORICAL AND IT IS ALSO THE WAY MEN ARE SOCIALIZED.

MEN ARE SOCIALIZED TO THINK THAT MUCH MORE, OKAY, IF I DON'T GO TO COLLEGE, I'LL GET SOME SORT OF JOB OR QUITE FRANKLY, I CAN CREATE A JOB IF YOU THINK ABOUT LANDSCAPING AND SNOW PLOWING AND THAT SORE OF THING.

WHEREAS WOMEN ARE MUCH MORE SOCIALIZED TO THINK, OKAY, I HAVE TO PLAN FOR MY FUTURE, PLAN FOR MY CAREER, PREPARE FOR MY CAREER.

SO THAT'S WHERE THIS REALLY BEGINS TO START.

THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE ISSUE OF A GROWING SENSE-- AND THIS IS MALE AND FEMALE, ALTHOUGH IT SEEMS TO BE AFFECTING MALES MORE, IS A GROWING SENSE THAT THERE IS NOT A LOT OF RELEVANCE IN COLLEGE UNLESS YOU ARE PLANNING TO BE SOMETHING VERY SPECIFIC LIKE A LAWYER OR A DOCTOR OR AN ARCHITECT; THAT WHY SHOULD I SIT THROUGH 30 CREDIT HOURS OF GENERAL EDUCATION IN ORDER TO FIND A JOB AND SUPPORT MYSELF.

AND THEN FINALLY, I ALSO DO THINK MANY MORE MEN ARE ACTUALLY GOING OUT AND GETTING JOBS BECAUSE OF OUR STILL GENDER-ORIENTED SOCIETY, THEY'RE GETTING JOBS THAT ARE CERTAINLY GOOD PAYING, SOMETIMES BETTER PAYING THAN WOMEN WOULD GET SO WOMEN ARE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO HANG IN THERE IN COLLEGE WHEREAS A MALE IS MUCH MORE LIKELY, IF HE GETS A GOOD JOB, TO SAY OKAY, I CAN FINISH COLLEGE LATER AND I'LL DROP OUT.

>> SO THEY'RE WORKING IN VARIOUS DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR SOCIETY IF WE END UP WITH A SITUATION WHERE THE WOMEN ARE MUCH MORE EDUCATED THAN THE MEN?

DOES THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE?

>> WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE A SOCIETY IN WHICH WOMEN ARE SMARTER THAN MEN-- I'M JUST KIDDING-- [LAUGHTER] >> I AGREE.

>> YOU SAID THAT FOR YOUR WIFE BUT THAT'S OKAY.

BUT PART OF THE ISSUE IS THAT WE WANT A SOCIETY IN WHICH, AS MUCH OF THE POPULATION IS EDUCATED AS CAN BE ACHIEVED, BUT ALSO A PERSON THAT HAS A CLEM COLLEGE DEGREE OVER THE COURSE OF THEIR LIFE WILL EARN A MILLION DOLLARS MORE THAN ANOTHER.

SO WE ARE TYPICALLY ACCUSTOMED TO TALKING ABOUT GENDER UNFAIRNESS AND EQUALITY IN TERMS OF WOMEN'S RIGHTS.

BUT COULD I JUST QUICKLY, DAVE, SAY WHAT SOME OF THE CAUSES ARE THAT HAVE BEEN SHOWN TO BE BEHIND THIS?

>> GO RIGHT AHEAD.

>> ELEMENTARY AND HIGH SCHOOL GIRLS DO BETTER THAN BOYS IN ELEMENTARY AND HIGH SCHOOL.

WOMEN ARE MORE LIKELY TO FOLLOW THE COLLEGE APPLICATION PROCESS, GET IN THEIR ESSAYS, GET INFULLY TEST MIEF HIVE GET IN THEIR TEST SCORES.

BUT MEN WHO LIVE IN HIGH POVERTY AREAS WHERE THERE ARE FEWER FATHERS, ARE LESS LIKELY TO GO TO COLLEGE.

NOW IF THEY LIVE IN A HOME WITHOUT A FATHER, THAT'S NOT AS MUCH OF A PROBLEM AS LIVING IN A HIGH POVERTY AREA WHERE THERE ARE FEWER FATHERS AND AS TARA WAS ALLUDING TO, A HARVARD STUDY SHOW THAT MEN HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT ORIENTATION TOWARD HIGHER EDUCATION.

THEY DON'T SEE THE VALUE IN IT AS MUCH AS WOMEN.

THEY DON'T SEE... >> IN THE HIGH POVERTY AREA THAT WERE YOU JUST MENTIONING, THAT FACT HOLDS FOR MEN GOING TO SCHOOL BUT WHAT ABOUT THE GIRLS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS?

>> THE ADDITION OF THE FATHER, THE STATISTICAL DIFFERENCE IS IN CONNECTION WITH THE BOYS, NOT SO MUCH THE GIRLS OBVIOUSLY THE SOCIOLOGY RESEARCH OF PRESENCE OF A FATHER SHOWS MORE FOR A MAN THAN A WOMAN.

>> THERE IS ONE OTHER PART TO THAT HISTORICALLY SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN SET UP TO ENCOURAGE HISTORICALLY UNDER REPRESENTED STUDENTS AND THERE IS A LOT MORE RESOURCES OUT THERE FOR STUDENTS THAT ARE NOT MEN, TO BE QUITE HONEST MORE RESOURCES FOR WHAT?

>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WAYS TO-- I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER HOW IT WAS REFERRED IN THE ARTICLE.

>> THAT THERE IS A KIND OF A AFFIRMATIVE ACTION PROCESS FOR WOMEN WHERE WOMEN ARE GIVEN SORT OF A PLUS THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS.

THERE ARE CLASSES.

THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF RESOURCES ON CAMPUS FOR WOMEN MORE THAN MEN.

AND THERE IS THIS DISCOMFORT ON THE PART OF COLLEGES AND OTHER PLACES TO OPENLY DO MORE FOR MEN BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE THIS UNDERSTANDING THAT MEN ARE ON THE TOP OF THE WORLD AND SO WHY DO MORE?

A COLLEAGUE OF MINE TOOK A LOT OF SLACK FOR SAYING A FEW YEARS AGO THAT WE HAVE WOMEN STUDY CENTERS EVERYWHERE AND SO HE A LITTLE BIT TONGUE IN CHEEK SAID WHY DON'T WE HAVE A MEN'S STUDIES PROGRAM.

>> I THINK IT'S JUST TO GET THEM AT LEAST INTO COLLEGE AND GET STARTED INTO COLLEGE.

I THINK THOSE FIRST FEW WEEKS ARE ESSENTIAL.

>> THAT IS FOR SURE.

I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT FROM ADVISING, RATE.

NOW WE HAVE SOME LETTERS I WANTED TO GET TO.

WE HAVE A LETTER FROM DAVID ABOUT OUR DISCUSSION ON IMMIGRATION A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND HE POINTED OUT, HE SAID THAT WE NEED IMMIGRATION TO PROVIDE YOUNGER WORKERS TO HELP SUPPLY THE SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM TO TAKE CARE OF THE OLDER PEOPLE, THE AGING POPULATION.

AND ALSO THAT WE NEED WORKERS TO KEEP INDUSTRIES OPERATING, TO KEEP OUR POSITION IN WORLD LEADERSHIP IN THE MARKETPLACE.

PARDON ME.

I'M SORRY.

AND SO IMMIGRATION WOULD HELP IN THAT REGARD.

WE HAVE TO GET TO OUR As AND Fs.

I'LL GET TO THE NEXT LETTER THE NEXT TIME.

NINA, YOUR F. >> OKAY.

THE PRICE OF MANY FOOD ITEMS HAS GONE UP.

THE ONE THAT TROUBLES ME MOST IS THE SKYROCKETING COST OF PORK, ESPECIALLY BACON.

NOT BECAUSE I LOVE IT SO MUCH.

I DO EVERY NOW AND THEN, BUT BECAUSE I NOW HAVE TO FIND A LESS EXPENSIVE WAY TO BRIBE MY DOG TO COME BACK INTO THE HOUSE.

>> OKAY.

TARA, YOUR F. >> TO VIRGINIA ATTORNEY GENERALLY ELECT AND GOVERNOR-ELECT FOR THEIR PLAN TO AMEND A VIRGINIA LAW WHICH ALLOWS THE VIRGINIA ATTORNEY GENERAL TO PROSECUTE A CASE WHEN A VIRGINIA DA ASKS THEM TO.

NOW THEIR AMENDMENT WOULD ALLOW THE VIRGINIA ATTORNEY GENERAL-ELECT OR JUST THE VIRGINIA ATTORNEY GENERAL TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT A VIRGINIA DA WAS ACTUALLY VIGOROUSLY PROSECUTING A CASE AND IF HE FELT THE VIRGINIA DA WAS NOT VIGOROUSLY PROSECUTING A CASE, THE VIRGINIA ATTORNEY GENERAL WOULD BE ABLE TO STEP IN AND DO IT FOR HIM OR HER.

>> INTERESTING.

BEN, YOUR F. >> MY F TO CRIME COMPLACENCY IN THE PART THAT THE DEFUND THE POLICE MOVEMENT HAS PLAYED ON THIS MENTALITY AND LACK OF SUPPORT FOR THOSE WHO KEEP US SAFE OR AT LEAST HELP KEEP US SAFE.

LAST WEEK, FOR INSTANCE, A 19-YEAR-OLD WAS VIOLENTLY CAR JACKED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, JUST OUTSIDE OF OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY.

SHE WAS APPROACHING HER GRAY ACURA.

NOW THAT, JUST IN THAT AREA ALONE, THERE HAS BEEN A 51% SPIKE IN AGGRAVATED ASSAULTS, ROBBERIES AND RESIDENTIAL BURGLARIES COMPARED TO 2019.

>> OKAY.

LET'S GO TO OUR As.

QUICKLY, NINA.

>> FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HEY NOT MAY NOT KNOW SITTING BULL, A NATIVE AMERICAN LEGEND WHO HELPED TO DEFEND TRIBAL LANDS AT THE 1876 BATTLE OF LITTLE BIG HORN.

A DNA TEST HAS NOW HELPED TO ESTABLISH WHO HIS GREAT GRANDSON IS, ERNIE LAPOINT.

>> TARA.

>> TO MOANA CHARGE, POLICY EDITOR OF THE BULLWORK.COM FOR HER COMMENTARY ON THE DEMOCRATIC LOSSES TUESDAY.

SHE COMPARED IT TO THE REACTION OF THE DEMOCRATS IN 2020.

ULTIMATELY SHE PONDERS WHY IF DEMOCRATS EFFECTIVELY STOLE THE ELECTION IN 2020, WHY WERE THEY SO INEFFECTIVE THIS TIME?

>> MY A TO RESEARCHERS THAT DISCOVERED SEALS, THEIR ABILITY TO CHANGE THE TONE OF THEIR VOICE.

THIS FINDING OF THE OUTER CORTEX AND THE LAHNYX THAT WE USE TO PRODUCE OUR TONE OF VOICE WILL GIVE US PROMISING FINDINGS TO HOW WE CAN IMPROVE OUR ABILITY TO SPEAK SUCH AS MINE RIGHT NOW TO GIVE MY A.

>> THANK YOU, BEN.

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