-What strikes me, as we're sitting here talking, is that, no matter what the opportunity is, you're looking for that spark, that story, that way to communicate with people, like these emotions and these sort of human -- the human story, you know what I mean?

A lot of people, I would guess, get to a point where they get jaded or they get bored or they get, you know, and I'm sure you've had moments.

-I've definitely, you know, but I think, when you get to the point where you realize that the vocational side of music, the thing that makes it a vocation, is more important than the luck that it may make you some kind of fortune or give you a reputation.

I was a pop star for five minutes in England and had to, you know -- And it's bent, really, people's perception of what I do out of shape.

There are some people that know what I'm capable of doing.

There's other people that go, "Oh, it's that guy who had that song.

I remember it.

What was that?"

And then there's other places where people will come up to you where you least expect it and say, "This song, this is the one that mattered."

I go, "How did you even hear that song?"

You know, because it's from a record that's otherwise obscure to most people.

And it'll mean a lot.

So, which thing is, ultimately, more important?

I would say the one song fighting through all the unlikelihood of it reaching anybody to the fact, yeah, it's not that hard to have hit records.

It's hard to have hit records with good songs.