>> MICHAEL MILLER, FORMER PROSECUTOR AND PRESIDENT OF OHIO RIGHT TO LIFE.

AN HISTORIC DAY FOR THE NATION AND OHIO AS THE U.S. SUPREME COURT HAS OVERTURNED THE ROE V. WADE DECISION ALLOWING STATES TO OUTLAW ABORTION.

THE PRECEDENT STOOD FOR NEARLY 50 YEARS AND WAS UPHELD IN THE 1992 DECISION BUT DONALD TRUMP'S DEFEAT OF HILLARY CLINTON ALLOWED HIM TO APPOINT THREE JUSTICES PAVING THE WAY FOR THE 6-3 DECISION.

ALITO WROTE FOR THE MAJORITY SAYING WE THEREFORE HOLD THAT THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT CONFER A RIGHT TO AN ABORTION.

THE AUTHORITY TO REGULATE ABORTION MUST BE RETURNED TO THE PEOPLE AND THEIR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES.

THE THREE LIBERAL JUSTICES DISSENTED, WRITING THE MAJORITY ELIMINATES THE 50-YEAR-OLD CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO SAFEGUARDS WOMEN'S FREEDOM AND TO PROMOTE CONSTANCY IN THE LAW AND PLACES IN JEOPARDY OTHER RIGHTS FROM CONTRACEPTION AND MARRIAGE AND UNDERMINES THE COURT'S LEGITIMACY.

THE CASE BEFORE THE COURT WOULD HAVE OUTLAWED ABORTION AFTER 15 WEEKS.

COURT WENT MUCH FURTHER THAN THAT.

IT ALLOWED FOR COMPLETE BANS.

IS THAT NOT JUDICIAL ACTIVISM?

>> CERTAINLY NOT WHAT THE COURT DID WAS CORRECTED AN ERRONEOUS DECISION BACK IN 1963.

BUT WHAT THE COURT SAID IS THE STANDARD IS ROE AND THE COURT SAID NO, THERE IS NO CONSTITUTIONAL STANDARD.

THIS SHOULD BE A STATE'S DECISION.

SO EACH STATE, CALIFORNIA, NEW YORK, ALLOW ABORTION AND STILL WILL CONTINUE TO LOW THAT, MIKE.

BUT LIKE A STATE LIKE OHIO, WE'RE GOING TO DO BETTER AND OTHER STATES.

YOU'RE GOING TO SEE 30 STATES A BAN ON ABORTIONS AND IT'S A GOOD THING FOR OUR COUNTRY.

IT'S A HISTORIC DAY FOR OUR COUNTRY AND IT'S A GREAT ACHIEVEMENT VICTORY SINCE THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964.

>> CONSERVATIVES HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR 50 YEARS.

LAWMAKERS ARE GETTING THEM ELECTED WHO APPOINTED CONSERVATIVE JUDGES AND THAT EVENTUALLY LED TO THIS WEEK'S DECISION.

DO DEMOCRATS TAKE IT FOR GRANTED THAT ROE WOULD ALWAYS BE THERE?

>> I DON'T KNOW IF DEMOCRATS TOOK IT FOR GRANTED.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF LAWSUITS THAT SUCCESSFULLY HAD AN INJUNCTION BECAUSE OF GROUPS OTHER GROUPS REALLY FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT BUT IT IS A SAD DAY FOR DEMOCRACY AND I DO THINK WE'RE HAVING A MOMENT WHERE WE'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW MANY SUPREME COURT SEATS WERE STOLEN FROM PRESIDENT OBAMA AND HOW PRESIDENT TRUMP PACKED THE COURTS WITH UNQUALIFIED CONSERVATIVE JUDGES AND NOW WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE WOMEN ARE ABOUT TO LOSE THEIR RIGHT TO ABORTION.

CHILDREN RAPE OR INCEST AND CONTRACEPTION.

GAY MARRIAGE IS ALL ON THE LINE.

>> ANYTHING ABOUT THE DECISION AND THE REACTION TO IT SURPRISE YOU AS A JOURNALIST?

>> WELL, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT THEY MADE CLEAR THAT THEY ARE NOT OUTLAWING ABORTION NATIONWIDE.

THAT WILL BE UP TO THE CONGRESS IF THEY SHOULD CHOOSE TO DO THAT.

WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS RETURNING IT TO THE STATES WITH THE IDEA THAT IT WASN'T UP TO THE COURTS TO DECIDE.

IT WAS A SOCIETAL ISSUE THAT NEEDED TO COME FROM THE STATES.

SO THAT'S SOMEWHAT STRIKING.

AND OF COURSE, DEMOCRATS JUMPED ON THAT IMMEDIATELY TO TALK ABOUT THESE IMPORTANT MIDTERM ELECTIONS COMING UP.

SO BOTH PRESIDENT BIDEN, NANCY PELOSI AND OTHERS, ARE GOING TO TRY TO RUN WITH THAT AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE STRIKING THINGS ABOUT IT.

>> BUT YOU WERE ASSISTANT PROSECUTOR WHEN THE ROE V. WADE DECISION CAME DOWN AND THE DOBBS DECISION.

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE AND THE REACTION TO IT, THE IMPORTANCE OF IT AS A SOCIETY?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ANY DIFFERENCE IN THE REACTION.

YOU'RE EITHER FOR IT OR AGAINST IT AND LIMITATIONS AND DIFFERENCES OF OPINION THERE.

BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GONE AROUND AS SHE SAID EARLIER THAT THIS FIGHT IS CONTINUED AND BOTH KNOW MIKE AND DESIREE AND I REALLY DON'T SEE A GREAT CHANGE IN THE FEELINGS PEOPLE HAVE IT'S AN EMOTIONAL THING, AND 50 YEARS FROM NOW IT'S GOING TO BE STILL WITH US.

THIS ISN'T A PANACEA THAT'S GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY ALL HAPPY.

>> MIKE, THIS IS ONLY ABOUT ABORTION.

SO YOU SHOULD NOT LOOK AT THIS FOR OTHER THINGS.

BUT CLARENCE THOMAS' OPINION SAID THE COURT SHOULD RECONSIDER THINGS LIKE GAY MARRIAGE AND BAN SAME-SEX INTIMACY AND ALSO CONTRACEPTION.

DO YOU THINK THAT'S NEXT?

>> NO, I DON'T.

ALITO, WHO HAD THE CHARGE TO WRITE THE OPINION, SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE MAJORITY OPINION FROM ALITO.

HE SPECIFICALLY WENT OUT OF HIS WAY TO SAY IT DOESN'T TOUCH GAY MARRIAGE.

THOMAS, BREYER, ANYONE ELSE CAN WRITE WHAT THEY WANT BUT THAT'S NOT CONTROLLING.

THE COURT WAS VERY CLEAR THERE WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH VOTES TO TOUCH THOSE OTHER ISSUES.

THIS IS ISSUE SPECIFICALLY ON ABORTION-ONLY.

>> YOU MENTIONED EARLIER YOU THINK THIS COULD GO FURTHER?

>> JUSTICE THOMAS USED THAT LANGUAGE INTENTIONALLY.

SEE THAT LANGUAGE CONTINUE TO BE CITED BY OTHER LAWYERS AS THEY ENCOURAGE BY JUSTICE THOMAS TO GO AFTER THESE ISSUES.

AND IN TERMS OF TURNING THINGS BACK OVER TO THE STATES, THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE HAD FAIR REPRESENTATIVE REPRESENTATION BUT WE SAW REDISTRICTING MESS WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THE STATE ELECTED OFFICIALS TO DO THE RIGHT THING WHEN IT COMES TO ABORTION AND WHAT'S POPULAR HERE IN THE STATES.

>> THE WHOLE THING OF PRECEDENT, THE COURT THROUGHOUT THE PRECEDENT AND THE CONFIRMATION HEARINGS THEY SAID THIS IS LAW BECAUSE IT'S SETTLED UNTIL IT'S NOT SETTLED.

YOU CAN PARSE WORDS THAT WAY.

BUT THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COURT'S QUESTION THAT THE DISSENTING JUSTICES BROUGHT UP.

DOES THIS REVERSING THE PRECEDENT FROM 50 YEARS AGO, DID THAT HURT THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COURT, IN YOUR MIND?

>> IT DEPENDS ON WHO DOESN'T LIKE IT.

THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN FAVOR OF ABORTION ARE GOING TO SAY THE COURT'S NO LONGER LEGITIMATE.

THE PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE LIMITS ON THAT SAY IT'S AN ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THING DECISIONS GET CHANGED ALL THE TIME.

IT IS A REAL COMMON THING.

USED TO HAVE YOU GO BY THAT AND IT'S GOOD.

YOU LOOK AT PAST PRECEDENTS.

BUT THE LAW HAS CHANGED.

WE'VE HAD -- HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE HAD THE DEATH PENALTY THROWN OUT, WHICH WE HAD SINCE WE BECAME A NATION.

IT'S BEEN THROWN OUT AND RESTRICTIONS AND THOSE THINGS ARE NOT GOING TO BE SETTLED FOR ALL TIME.

>> AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION.

>> UNLESS THERE IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION.

>> OHIO LIKELY WILL MAKE ABORTION LEGAL.

IT HAS A LAW ON THE BOOKS NOW THAT MAKES ABORTION ILLEGAL AFTER FETAL CARDIAC ACTIVITY IS DETECTED WHICH COMES AS EARLY AS SICK WEEKS INTO THE PREGNANCY.

OFFICIALS ARE TRYING TO LIFT THE STAY.

WHAT'S THE TIMETABLE ON THAT?

HOW LONG MIGHT IT TAKE FOR THESE SO-CALLED HEARTBEAT BILLS TO >> IT WOULD BE SWIFT.

AS MY MEMORY SERVES, THE STAY DIDN'T ALLOW FOR THE ACTUAL LEGAL ARGUMENTS ON THE BASIS OF THE CASE TO HAPPEN YET AND SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO FORWARD.

ROE WOULD OUTLAW THIS AND SO WE'RE GOING TO JUST PUT A HOLD ON IT FOR NOW.

>> SO THEY STILL HAVE TO ARGUE THIS BEFORE APPEALS COURT EVEN THOUGH THE SUPREME COURT MADE IT MOOT,?

>> THE MOTION THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL MADE WAS A COMPLETE BECAUSE INJUNCTION WAS GRANTED BASED ON CASES THAT ARE NO LONGER CONTROLLING SO THEREFORE THE JUDGE'S DECISION TO STAY THE HEARTBEAT BILL IS NO LONGER CONTROLLING.

SO WE BELIEVE WHETHER CLOSE OF BUSINESS TODAY OR EARLY NEXT WEEK THE JUDGE WILL DISMISS IT AND THE HEARTBEAT LAW WILL GO IN EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

>> HE HAS SAID HE CAN'T DO THAT.

>> YEAH.

IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE COURT.

NEXT A TRIGGER LAW PROPOSALS THAT WERE PROPOSED THIS SPRING AND THE LEGISLATURE DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE.

LAWMAKERS SAID THEY WILL ACT ON IT QUICKLY.

WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR?

ARE YOU HOPING FOR COMPROMISE?

ARE YOU GOING TO JUST FIGHT?

WE DON'T EXPECT LAWMAKERS IN OHIO TO REALLY BE IN A POSITION TO WANT TO COMPROMISE.

THEY HAVE CONTROL.

>> THE OHIO STATE LEGISLATURE IS LED BY MAGA REPUBLICANS.

THEY ARE REALLY EXTREME AND FAR OUT THERE.

I HAVE NO FAITH OR OPTIMISM WHEN IT COMES TO THEM DECIDING TO DO THE RIGHT THING WHEN IT COMES TO PEOPLE WHO GET PREGNANT AND WOMEN.

THEY ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE OBSESSED WITH WOMEN'S BODIES IN OUR UTERUS AND WE SAW THAT FROM GOVERNOR WHO LEANED IN AND DOUBLED DOWN TO SAY TO BAN ABORTION.

LE AND AGAIN, JUSTICE THOMAS JUST GAVE EVERYONE THE BAT SIGNAL TO GO FOR IT ALL.

SO WE SHOULD EXPECT SEE REPUBLICANS ACROSS THE COUNTRY GOING FOR IT ALL.

>> MIKE, WHAT WILL THE LEGISLATION LOOK LIKE THAT OHIO LEGISLATURE, LAWMAKERS PROBABLY ACT ON THIS FALL?

>> CLOSELY WITH THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE AND WE NEED TO MODIFY IT A LITTLE BIT.

WE DON'T NEED TO TRIGGER IT ANYMORE SINCE ROE AND IT SHOULD BE A PIECE OF LEGISLATION TO END ABORTION.

IT'S NOT THE POSITION OF THE MEN AND WOMEN WE ELECT.

WE HAVE THESE THINGS CALLED ELECTIONS AND MIKE IS PRO-LIFE AND HE IS GOING TO GET RE-ELECTED BECAUSE PEOPLE DECIDE WHO OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A GREAT ELECTION.

>> LAWMAKERS -- REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS ARE FAVORED TO WIN THE LEGISLATE TOUR AGAIN.

THIS HAPPEN IN THE FALL JUST IN CASE?

>> NO, I DON'T.

I JUST AGREE BASICALLY WHAT MIKE SAID.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT 20 POINTS, BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A ROUGH YEAR FOR THE DECISION FOR DEMOCRATS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

WHETHER IT'S FAIR OR NOT AND WHEN YOU'RE PRESIDENT, THINGS AREN'T FAIR.

YOU GET BLAMED FOR THINGS THAT AREN'T YOUR FAULT AND SO FORTH.

BUT WITH AFGHANISTAN, WHAT HAPPENED THERE, WHICH WAS AN EMBARRASSMENT, THE RUNAWAY INFLATION, WHICH IS NOBODY'S FAULT.

ONE PERSON BUT PRESIDENTS ALWAYS GET BLAMED FOR IT, AND SOME OTHER MATTERS, I JUST THINK DEMOCRATS ARE IN DEEP TROUBLE.

AND OF COURSE, IT'S ALL ELECTION YEAR AND THE PARTY AND POWER GENERAL -- IN POWER GENERALLY LOSES.

I DON'T SEE WINNING AT ALL.

>> INTERESTINGLY, DONALD TRUMP, THOUGH, WAS WHISPERING AFTER THE DECISION CAME DOWN THAT HE THINKS IT MAY BE BAD FOR REPUBLICANS.

I MEAN, IT IS A VERY EXTREME DECISION.

I KNOW THAT ROBERTS, FOR EXAMPLE, WANTED TO LOOK AT LET THE MISSISSIPPI RESTRICTION AND NOT TOUCH THESE OTHER ISSUES.

AND THEN ADD IN THE CLARENCE THOMAS OPINION THAT SUGGESTS ALL THESE OTHER ISSUES.

WILL IT LOOK TOO EXTREME FOR THOSE VOTING ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE?

>> LET'S GO TO THE DECISION COMES AS OHIO VOTERS PREPARE TO ELECT A GOVERNOR AND REPRESENTATIVES.

THE GOVERNOR'S RACE PROVIDES THAT CLEAR CHOICE ON THE ISSUE.

DEMOCRAT DENOUNCED THE DECISION SAYING TODAY THIS ELECTION HAS NEVER BEEN MORE IMPORTANT.

IF ELECTED HE WILL TAKE OHIO WOMEN BACK TO A TIME WHERE ABORTION WAS CRIMINALIZED AND DANGEROUS.

RIGHT TO ACCESS A SAFE AND LEGAL ABORTION IN REPRODUCTIVE CARE IS ON THE BALLOT THIS NOVEMBER.

MIKE HAD NOT RELEASE AID STATEMENT.

RELEASED ONE LATER TODAY BUT HE'S BASICALLY SAID THAT HE WILL ABORTION WITH THIS RULING.

DESIREE TIMMS, DEMOCRATS, IS THIS THE ISSUE THAT WILL GALVANIZE DEMOCRATS THIS FALL OR IS IT INFLATION, HIGH GAS PRICES, POSSIBILITY OF A RECESSION?

>> I DO THINK THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT IS CRITICAL FOR VOTER TURNOUT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO REALLY IMPACT PEOPLE.

IF MIKE AND HIS PARTY HAVE THEIR WAY, WOMEN AND PEOPLE WON'T BE ABLE TO ACCESS ABORTION AND THAT IS GOING TO HAVE RIPPLE EFFECTS.

SHE'S TALKING ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF REPUBLICANS CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN POWER.

BUT AS WE ALL KNOW, HISTORY SHOWS THE PARTY IN CONTROL NATIONALLY IS THE PARTY THAT GETS DEFEATED.

I THINK THIS IS GOING TO COME DOWN TO VOTER TURNOUT.

HOW MANY VOTERS ARE GOING TO BE EXCITED OR EMPOWERED TO VOTE BECAUSE OF WHAT JUST HAPPENED TODAY WITH THE SUPREME COURT?

>> MIKE, YOU'VE BEEN BUT REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BLAME THE COURT FOR 50 YEARS, SAYING IT'S ACTIVIST JUDGES THAT HAVE MADE ABORTION LEGAL.

NOW THEY'VE GOT THE DECISION AND IT'S BACK IN THEIR COURT AND NOW THEY'VE GOT -- THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION AND THEN FACE THE VOTERS.

COULD THERE BE RISK THERE AND BACKLASH?

>> I GUESS THERE COULD BE.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ELECTIONS BUT WE'RE HOLDING EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE ACCOUNTABLE.

EVERY TWO YEARS THEY PUT THEIR SIGNATURE ON IT AND WE HAVE A MAJORITY HERE IN OHIO-AND-SAY PRO-LIFE GOVERNOR AND A ATTORNEY GENERAL AND WE HAD ONE GOVERNOR PROSPER PRO-CHOICE.

AND TED STRICKLAND USED TO BE PRO-LIFE AND SWITCHED.

AT THE END OF THE DAY WE ARE GOING TO HOLD THE LEGISLATURE ACCOUNTABLE AND IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN 2022.

>> JOYCE, IT'S 53% OF OHIOANS >> YES.

PUBLIC OPINION SHOWS THAT THE MAJORITY OF OHIOANS AND AMERICANS GENERALLY ARE ON THE SIDE OF SOME ABORTION ACCESS AND AS DESIREE POINTS OUT, THE PRIMARIES HAVEN'T HAPPENED YET BECAUSE REDISTRICTING FIGHT AND REPUBLICANS WHO ARE INCUMBENTS HAVE BEEN ENDORSED ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FACE THAT IN A PRIMARY OR IN A GENERAL.

WHETHER THAT RESONATES, I DON'T KNOW.

BECAUSE I JUST THINK THAT THE MESSAGING ON THE PART OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HASN'T BEEN PARTICULARLY CONSISTENT THERE.

AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT LIKE GAS PRICES AND INFLATION AND OTHER THINGS THAT REALLY AVERAGE VOTERS CARE ABOUT MORE.

>> THIS IS FRESH THIS DECISION WITH THE LEAK OF THE OPINION TURN OUT TO BE CORRECT.

WEEK.

DO REPUBLICANS HAVE ANYTHING TO FEAR NOW THAT THEY ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION AND CAN'T BLAME THE COURTS ANYMORE?

>> OBVIOUSLY, IS IT GOING TO MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE TO SOME OF THE SOUTHERN STATES?

NO.

IS IT GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO NEW YORK, CALIFORNIA, THE BLUE STATES, NO.

THEY'VE MADE UP THEIR MIND.

IT WILL BE A SMALL SELECT OF STATES THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE A FIGHT.

OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THINGS ARE PRETTY MUCH CUT AND DRIED AND NOTHING WILL HAPPEN.

>> HOW SHOULD BETWEEN THIS AND THE ISSUE, WHICH HAS COME UP IN THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.

SHOULD DEMOCRATS RUN ON THOSE ISSUES?

GO ALL IN OR SHOULD THEY TRY TO BE ALL THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE OR PICK AN ISSUE?

>> I THINK JULIE IS EXACTLY RIGHT IN DEMOCRATS HAVEN'T DONE A GOOD JOB OF SELLING ALL THE GOOD THINGS WE'VE DONE.

DEMOCRATS WROTE OUT A PLAN TO GET VACCINATIONS FOR FREE FOR CHILD TAX CARE CREDIT AND LACK OF SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES BUT DEMOCRATS HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT ARE THE KITCHEN TABLE ISSUES?

AND I DO THINK THAT ABORTION AND WHAT JUST HAPPENED IS AN ISSUE THAT EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND, AND THAT'S THE DIFFICULT PART.

HOW DO YOU MAKE THINGS PLAIN SO THAT VOTERS WHO AREN'T READING EVERYTHING CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND PLAIN LANGUAGE?

HOW DOES THIS IMPACT MY LIFE?

AND IF DEMOCRATS DO THAT, THEY'LL BE IN A VERY GOOD POSITION IN NOVEMBER.

>> WILL OHIO TRY TO RESTRICT OHIOANS FROM TRAVELING TO OTHER STATES TO GET AN ABORTION?

WILL THEY BAN MEDICINAL WOMEN GETTING MEDICINE BY MAIL AND WILL THEY PROSECUTE WOMEN IF THEY GOT THE MEDICINE BY MAIL TO PERFORM AN ABORTION?

>> IT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL FROM RESTRICTING PEOPLE FROM THAT'S NOT ON THE TABLE.

AND YOU CAN'T REGULATE THE MAIL OR THE INTERNET.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO -- IF SOMEONE IS IN THEIR BASEMENT AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING AND ORDER SOMETHING FROM CHINA OR MEXICO, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU DON'T DO THAT.

YOU CAN'T STOP THAT EITHER.

WHAT THIS COMES TO IS ABORTION CENTERS OR 486 AND DRUGS, CHEMICAL ABORTIONS.

THAT'S WHAT'S A BAN ON ABORTION.

CERTAINLY ANY WOMAN COULD GO TO DETROIT OR PITTSBURGH.

I THINK THOSE WILL BE THE TWO BIGGEST, CLOSEST CITIES IN OHIO AND STILL HAVE AN ABORTION REGARDLESS OF OF WHAT OHIO DOES.

>> JULIE, IS A PROPOSED SPECIAL AMENDMENT PROPOSE BY DEMOCRATS THAT WOULD GUARANTEE THE RIGHT OF ABORTION SITTING OUT THERE?

IT'S NOT GOING TO GET APPROVAL BY LEGISLATURE BUT THAT'S OUT THERE AS WELL, >> RIGHT AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ADDED INTO THIS PACKAGE OF THINGS THAT PROMISES DEMOCRATS CAN MAKE AS THEY TRY TO GET ELECTED IS TO SAY WE ARE WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE LANDSCAPE HERE AND HERE ARE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO DO.

IT HAS TO BE SPECIFIC, AND I THINK THAT SOMETIMES THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT GUILTY OF SORT OF GOING ALL OVER WITH MANY, MANY ISSUES, INCLUDING THE HOUSE BILL 6 SCANDAL AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH BUT AT SOME POINT PEOPLE JUST NEED MESSAGING THAT THEY CAN STICK TO.

>> PROSECUTORS LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS HAVING TO PROSECUTE THESE CASES?

>> I'M SURE THEY'RE NOT.

THESE ARE NOT FUN THINGS TO DO.

THERE IS ALWAYS VICTIMS IN THESE CASES AND IT'S DIFFICULT.

BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE PROSECUTIONS HERE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN I TOTALLY AGREE WITH MIKE THAT THE ABORTIONS WILL GO ON HERE.

THEY JUST WON'T BE SURGICAL.

UNLESS THEY WANT TO GO TO PITTSBURGH OR DETROIT.

BUT THE MEDICINE THAT'S AVAILABLE THEY'RE GOING TO GET AND THE LEGISLATURE IS GOING TO PASS IF YOU GET THIS YOU COMMITTED AN OFFENSE.

IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> WITH MORE ABORTIONS BEING PERFORMED, MEDICINAL ABORTIONS WILL IMPROVE, THE TECHNOLOGY IS GOING TO IMPROVE.

WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE YOU, MIKE?

>> THESE ARE NEW ISSUES THAT SIX MONTHS AGO WE NEVER THOUGHT WE'D BE CONTEMPLATING SO WE'RE GOING TO SIT DOWN AND WORK THROUGH THESE SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A FEDERAL RESPONSE AND AN INDIVIDUAL STATE ISN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO REGULATE MAIL PHARMACY PRESCRIPTION.

I AGREE WITH MIKE.

OUR PROSECUTORS PROBABLY WON'T GET INVOLVED BUT ANY LICENSED PHYSICIAN THAT PERFORMS AN ABORTION, IF WE HAVE A LAW BANNING IT, WILL LOSE THEIR MEDICAL LICENSE PURSUANT TO TO THE MEDICAL LEGISLATION.

DOCTORS AND PHARMACISTS AREN'T GOING TO LOSE THEIR LICENSE.

>> I DON'T BUY IT.

I THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET HURT, AND WE HAVE SEEN OTHER STATE LEGISLATURES AND AGAIN OHIO IS A MAGA EXTREME ONE.

WE'VE SEEN THEM GO AFTER PEOPLE WHO SOUGHT MEDICINE FOR ABORTION SAYING THAT YOU HAVE TO RECEIVE MEDICINE FROM A DOCTOR IN YOUR STATE.

SO THERE ARE LAWS FOR PROSECUTION AND I THINK WE WILL SEE THAT IN THE FUTURE HERE IN OHIO.

>> WHAT HAPPENS HAPPENS NEXT YEAR, MANY BELIEVE THIS ISSUE WILL END UP ON THE OHIO BALLOT.

IT WILL BE A LARGE AND EXPANSIVE TASK.

MIKE MILLER, IT'S LOOKING LONG TERM.

MIGHT THIS DECISION HELP SETTLE THIS ISSUE IN THAT IT WILL GO BACK TO THE VOTERS AND TO THE ELECTED OFFICIALS?

>> WELL, CERTAINLY IT COULD DO THAT.

THERE ARE GOING TO BE CERTAIN STATES IN THIS COUNTRY WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE REAL FIGHTS.

AND I'M SURE THE POLITICIANS IN THOSE STATES, REGARDLESS OF ARE GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH THAT.

THEY DON'T WANT TO GET THE DECISION.

THEY'VE BEEN SAYING IN THE PAST.

I JUST THINK FOR THE MOST PART THINGS ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE GREATLY IN OHIO.

ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.

BUT I JUST THINK THINGS ARE REALLY GOING TO REMAIN PRETTY MUCH SAME, ALTHOUGH DIFFERENT RULES WILL APPLY.

>> IT'S EARLY.

HAS THERE BEEN RUMBLINGS OF TRYING TO CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION TO GUARANTEE A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO AN ABORTION IN OHIO?

>> I THINK THERE ARE RUMBLINGS, YES, BECAUSE THERE IS ALWAYS THIS QUESTION OF THE MAJORITY WE SEE IN OPINION POLLS THAT IS A BOLSTERING THING TO THE ABORTION RIGHTS GROUPS THAT ARE SAYING THERE SHOULD BE -- IF WE TOOK THIS TO THE PEOPLE AT THE VERY LEAST WOULD PRESSURE THE LAWMAKERS, WHICH WE'VE SEEN THEM DO IN THE PAST.

IT WOULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE.

AND IS THAT GOING TO BE A FIRST PRIORITY OR NOT?

I DON'T KNOW.

ABORTIONS ARE ACTUALLY ON THE DECLINE IN THIS STATE AND HAVE BEEN FOR SOMETIME.

SO IT'S A MATTER OF PRIORITIES PROBABLY FOR PEOPLE'S POCKETBOOKS.

>> VOTE TURNOUT IF IT GOES TO THE BALLOT?

>> I THINK THE DEMOCRATS HAVE A GOOD CHANCE OF WINNING.

I THINK MORE PEOPLE AGREE AND SUPPORT ROE THAN DO NOT.

BUT OF COURSE, WHENEVER WE STICK IT BACK TO THE LEGISLATURE BECAUSE IT'S A GERRYMANDER, DEMOCRATS LOSE.

AND STATEWIDE THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE UPSET.

>> YOU HAVE TO COMPROMISE IF IT GOES THAT FAR FOR 12 WEEKS, 15 WEEKS.

TO GET MOST PEOPLE TO SUPPORT A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO AN ABORTION.

ABORTION WITH PRETTY SIGNIFICANT RESTRICTIONS.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LANGUAGE WILL LOOK LIKE BUT I ASSUME IT WILL BE LANGUAGE THAT WILL ALLOW PEOPLE TO SUPPORT IN TERMS OF THE MAJORITY FROM POLLING AND RESEARCH FOR GOING TO IT AND I THINK PEOPLE ON THE GROUND, PARTICULARLY THE ADVOCATES, WILL LEAD THE CHARGE AND I THINK PEOPLE WILL FOLLOW.

>> IF IT WAS SAY IN EUROPE, 12, 13 WEEKS?

IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD LIVE WITH IF THAT WERE PUT IN THE CONSTITUTION?

>> OUR MISSION STATEMENT IS TO PROTECT AND DEFEND THE LIFE FROM CONCEPTION UNTIL NATURAL DEATH, NOT MIDWAY, HALF TERM.

AND NO LIMITS, NO RESTRICTIONS, TRUST A WOMAN AND HER AND HER DOCTOR.

SO THEY WON'T INTRODUCE AN INITIATIVE UNLESS IT'S ALL THE WAY.

>> VIABILITY.

>> YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO BRING IN THE REAL MONEY AND HOW MANY MILLIONS DO YOU NEED TO GET THE SIGNATURES?

HOLLYWOOD ELITES DON'T BELIEVE IN LIMITS TO RESTRICTIONS.

SO WE WELCOME THE FIGHT.

WE WANT TO HAVE IT.

IF THEY WANT TO PAY FOR IT, THEY CAN PAY FOR IT.

>> MIKE, YOU'RE FIRST.

>> I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO GO DOWN TO OHIO STATE CAMPUS AND AROUND THE CITY AND VOTE ON THESE SPECIAL KIDS.

>> HOPEFULLY, SOMEBODY CAN DO SOMETHING TO CUT DOWN THIS UNBELIEVABLE AMOUNT WE'RE HAVING IN THIS COMMUNITY.

COMMITTEES AREN'T GOING TO DO IT.

SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE AT THE BASE.

I HOPE SOMEBODY OUT THERE DOES.

>> DESIREE TIMMS.

IT.

>> TODAY WE LEARNED THAT THE CONGRESS HAS PASSED THE BIPARTISAN GUN REFORM LEGISLATION, WHICH IS A REALLY GOOD STEP AND AN IMPORTANT STEP.

SO I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION.

>> AND JULIE?

>> JUST TO END BACK ON ABORTION, I THINK WE'LL START TO SEE GROUPS BEGIN TO TRY TO FIND WAYS TO HELP OHIO WOMEN GET ACROSS THESE BORDERS AND WE'RE SEEING THINGS LIKE FLIGHTS AND TRAVEL AND BUSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO THAT WILL PROBABLY BE THE NEXT STEP AFTER THE COURTS.

>> LOTS TO WATCH.

WE FOCUSED TODAY SHOW ONLY ON BACK TO OTHER BIG STORIES, LIKE PRIVATE SCHOOL VOUCHER CASE THAT CAME DOWN THIS WEEK FROM THE SUPREME COURT.

ALSO, THE INTEL MOVE THAT THEY DELAYED THE GROUND-BREAKING AND THE BIGGEST NEWS OF THE WEEK IS NOT ONLY THE TRADEMARK TO THE WORD "THE."

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