Chesapeake Collectibles
Episode 1112
Season 11 Episode 12 | 26m 46sVideo has Closed Captions
Cane guns; western painting; prototype naval boat; Baltimore silver bowl; Orioles charms.
The Orioles’ World Series appearances are chronicled in a collection of charms owned by a former franchise employee. A painting reveals a guest’s personal connection to the Wild West. A silver bowl tells tales of Maryland’s political history. A guest shares an unusual collection of cane guns. And, a model of a naval prototype stumps an appraiser.
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Chesapeake Collectibles
Episode 1112
Season 11 Episode 12 | 26m 46sVideo has Closed Captions
The Orioles’ World Series appearances are chronicled in a collection of charms owned by a former franchise employee. A painting reveals a guest’s personal connection to the Wild West. A silver bowl tells tales of Maryland’s political history. A guest shares an unusual collection of cane guns. And, a model of a naval prototype stumps an appraiser.
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G. AMORY LECUYER: Coming up next on "Chesapeake Collectibles".
PATRICK REDDING: Can you tell me what you brought in today?
GUEST: Well, these are walking sticks but they're in the form of a, a weapon, a gun.
ED MORINO: This is a wonderful, wonderful piece Rococo Revival, has everything that you want in a Kirk piece and it's a fabulous, fabulous piece.
Have you ever had this appraised?
GUEST: Never.
P. RAAB CHRISTHILF: Obviously, you have, this guy has gotten the better of this guy...
GUEST: Yes.
RAAB: Right here, and he's dropped his gun.
GUEST: Yep.
GUEST: But the heart of this bracelet are, the Oriole charms from '69, '70, and '71.
G. AMORY: It's part of what this show is all about.
You just get crazy stuff coming out of the woodwork and that's exactly what we have here.
GUEST: Yep.
(theme music plays).
♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ PATRICK: Hello, and welcome to the studio today.
What can you, tell me what you brought in today.
GUEST: Well, these are walking sticks but they're in the form of a, a weapon, a gun.
PATRICK: Very interesting.
How did you acquire 'em?
GUEST: Local auctions.
PATRICK: And how long ago did you purchase them do you think?
GUEST: Well this one's probably 20-25 years ago, this one's a little later than that, this one was maybe 10 years ago, got this in Atlantic City at the Atlantique Market, or whatever they have.
PATRICK: Very good.
So I see you have a passion for canes, or unique, unique things.
GUEST: Anything unique and different, I really enjoy.
PATRICK: Very good, very good.
But what you have here is uh, two cane guns and then we'll talk about the flashlight cane here shortly.
So the first one we have here is going to be the cane gun with the dog's head.
And what's very unusual about that is lot of the cane guns that every could tell the tale by the handle.
So, obviously the person who had this cane gun obviously probably had this dog head handle special ordered or had it put on some time throughout the history of owning the cane gun.
Now what's unusual about it is the fact that it is a 410 gauge slash 11 millimeter.
Now these particular cane guns do not have any manufacturing markings on them, but history telling us back, the 410 cartridge was developed, near as we can tell, in the late-mid-1880s, and it looks like it hit the American market in the early 1900s.
So looking at these I feel very comfortable in saying that these are foreign antique cane guns, in the 410 gauge cartridge or the metric terms 11 millimeter.
PATRICK: Okay.
So this one here what we like to talk about this one is the fact that has the ornateness of the dog head as the handle, you can see it's opened up and it has the cap on the end so it protected it from not going into the ground so if they had to shoot it, it wouldn't blow up in their hands.
GUEST: Exactly.
PATRICK: This one here is kind of unique, is your traditional cane gun and this one here has the handle on it, course the action opens up like that, you loaded the shell and of course this one has the shotgun bead at the end for sighting.
So this gives you the aspect of a traditional shooting system as a shotgun.
And then this one's unique, the fact that it's not a gun but it's very unique that it has a flashlight built into the handle.
Very uncommon, I gotta be honest with, I don't think I've ever seen one, so it's real unique, so I really do appreciate you bringing the three together so we can talk about them together.
Have you ever had anything evaluated on prices on these?
GUEST: No sir.
PATRICK: No you haven't.
GUEST: No sir.
PATRICK: Well, the first one here I like to talk about it has the ornateness of the dog head handle, that one with the condition that it's in, knowing the market the way it is and I would feel that one is probably in that $1,500 to $2,000 range.
Pretty nice investment, right?
GUEST: I like that.
PATRICK: There you go.
And this one here is the more common one, and this one here has the handle you know traditional as a cane handle would be, I'd put this one in the $1,000 to $1,200 range.
GUEST: Okay.
PATRICK: And then on this one, with the flashlight cane, which very unique.
You know, the fact that it is, now you told me you tried to find batteries for it but it's an odd size you can't find them GUEST: Right.
PATRICK: So you know this gives you an idea kind of makes you wonder what the time frame was, but being that you couldn't find batteries today that wouldn't fit it, tells you it was made in a unique or even foreign market.
So I would say, you know, this one here, the flashlight cane, I give an estimate between like $200 and $400 on it.
GUEST: I like that.
PATRICK: Very good, we really do appreciate you bringing them out here today and sharing with us you have a very unique collection of canes here.
GUEST: Thank you, thank you for appraising them for me.
PATRICK: It was very nice having you.
GUEST: Good to be here.
PATRICK: Thank you.
GUEST: Thank you.
(studio chatter).
P. RAAB: Well hello there, thank you for coming to the show and bringing this wonderful illustration with you.
Can you tell me a little bit about what you know about it?
GUEST: Yes, um, I bought it at a Clarksville, Tennessee flea mart.
And I had seen it, and my mother's father was a cowboy, he worked at King's Ranch.
He uh, talked, well he broke horses... P. RAAB: Right.
GUEST: And he actually went on cattle drives, and he always had a guitar, he was a singer, and... P. RAAB: He was the quintessential cowboy.
GUEST: Yeah, and around the campfire, after they were eatin', he would play uh, tunes on his guitar.
And one time he lifted his guitar up and they put a bullet through it, one of the cowboys.
And I seen it myself, so I know that's true.
And he would take the freight train from Baltimore, and he'd work there for a couple months, and then hop on the freight and come back.
Well one time, he generally gets the cattle car, they didn't have the cattle car they had pig cars.
And so he didn't smell so good.
And since my grandmother lived right there near the train station, he walked over, rapped on the door, and said "Katie can I come in and take a shower please?"
So my grandmother said "yeah, where, where ya been all these months?"
He says, "I've been working at the uh, the King's Ranch, in Texas."
And so... P. RAAB: And she didn't believe it.
GUEST: My grandmother didn't believe it.
P. RAAB: Didn't believe him, right.
GUEST: No!
and he says, "Well, let me in Katie, I'll call them.
I'll call 'em collect, it won't cost you nothing, and you can talk to Mr. and Mrs.
King."
And, that worked.
P. RAAB: Well tell me how this came about, this painting.
GUEST: This painting... P. RAAB: So obviously, he was very, very involved in the West and in the ranching system, and in breaking the horses, and even taking the pig car back home.
GUEST: Yes.
P. RAAB: So he's very involved in this, and you saw this where?
GUEST: I saw this at Clarksville flea mart.
P. RAAB: Right, yeah right, you told me that.
GUEST: It's a huge flea mart in Clarksville.
P. RAAB: Yeah, yeah.
GUEST: And my son and I, or my son wanted me to, to get him some toys, they had a toy vendor.
And it was real cheap.
And next to it they, a lady was selling paintings, old books, porcelain stuff, and I seen this.
Caught my eye, and I walked over and, and I says "I want to buy this," and did it come with the frame?
They said no, the guy come by and just bought the frame an hour ago, or so.
P. RAAB: And that was the one that was heavily carved...
GUEST: It was heavily carved, and she said, it was like six inches... all around.
P. RAAB: Well it's a shame.
GUEST: And it was carved with cowboys, um, six shooters, and all kinds of... P. RAAB: Horses, right.
GUEST: Horses, yes.
And it was beautiful.
P. RAAB: Imagine how wonderful, imagine how wonderful that would've been.
Especially looking at this, this action-packed, you know, uh, Western... it looks like uh, Gunsmoke, it looks like the show.
GUEST: Yeah!
P. RAAB: Obviously you have this guy, has gotten the better of this guy.
GUEST: Yes.
P. RAAB: Right here, cause he's dropped his gun.
GUEST: Yup, you can see he shot it... P. RAAB: And shot it into whatever, and he's sort of, keeling over, it's his last breath or whatever.
GUEST: Yep.
P. RAAB: Now, do you know anything, have you ever had it looked at or, oh uh?
GUEST: No, I didn't have any...
I didn't take it anywhere, it's been on my wall for 20 years.
P. RAAB: That's a good way for, a good place for it to be.
GUEST: And uh... P. RAAB: Well, it was painted by a guy named Remington Schuyler.
Remington Schuyler.
Now, what's interesting, there seem to be a number of coincidences in this.
Schuyler was born in Buffalo, New York.
GUEST: Buffalo, cowboys.
P. RAAB: In 1880, 1884, and he died in 1955.
GUEST: Oh, my.
P. RAAB: I did, he studied in Paris, uh, and he was an illustrator, at the time of the great, of the great illustrators.
He studied under Howard Pyle, who did wonderful illustrations for books.
Uh, it was the time of Norman Rockwell and Leyendecker, they were neighbors of his.
Uh, N.C Wyeth, this is all the, this is the high point of illustration in art in America.
Course we didn't have uh, really we didn't have much television, or much whatever.
GUEST: No, not back then.
P. RAAB: No, it was all in print.
GUEST: Mm-hm.
P. RAAB: So um, the value, the value on these.
It's interesting that he did a number of these illustrations of the Western scenes here, and in looking at compendium information, to find current uh, auction values, you're looking at about $3,000 to $4,000.
GUEST: Whoa, awesome.
P. RAAB: I know, I know.
That's, that's good.
So for the, what $25 you paid for it.
GUEST: Yeah.
P. RAAB: I think you did darn well.
GUEST: I wished I would have got there an hour earlier, and gotten... P. RAAB: You would have gotten a frame too.
Well thank you for bringing it.
GUEST: Thank you, sir.
P. RAAB: Thank you, it's been fun.
♪ ♪ G. AMORY: I wanna welcome you to "Chesapeake Collectibles", and I'm, I'm in a puzzle here.
Tell me a little bit about what you brought.
GUEST: I have brought what I believe is a naval ship hull, uh, possibly from the David Taylor Model Basin over in Maryland.
G. AMORY: Okay.
Now, now to, to explain what a little bit about what a ship's hull, this is where they were designing and testing specific styles of hulls...
GUEST: Yes.
G. AMORY: And from where I am in Virginia, we have the NASA Langley Research Center, we see a lot of this in aeronautics, but this is the same type of recreation of sea-going uh, trials that, that a hull would be subjected to.
And, this is one of their models.
I've got to tell you that we, we all agree, I've consulted with a couple of my other appraisers, we agree that that's what it is.
GUEST: Okay.
G. AMORY: We accept that it's from David Taylor, uh the, the weapons bay, uh, Weapons Center at the Boat Basin, and we have absolutely no clue what it's worth.
GUEST: That's okay.
G. AMORY: All right, where did you get it?
GUEST: Uh, an Antique Mall.
G. AMORY: Okay.
GUEST: Antique Mall, just in a booth.
G. AMORY: You know, a lot of times these things show up in an engineer's estate.
They were somebody who worked on the project, they got to take the model home, because it was no longer necessary.
Um, they would put it out on the, uh, on the deck and use it for fruit service during a party or something, or you know, beer.
You know, it just, and all of a sudden it ends up in the garage, and it re-emerges later years.
We think sort of 1940s.
GUEST: Okay.
G. AMORY: Um, based on some of the hull design.
But the thing is, these are rare when they come up in this size at auction.
This would be very similar, would be very understandable if this was a half keel mounted on wood that was about two feet long.
But this is a gigantic piece.
GUEST: Uh-huh.
G. AMORY: What do you do with it at home?
GUEST: I have it on the wall in my office.
G. AMORY: Oh you do?
Yeah.
Now are you involved in Maritime?
GUEST: Nope.
G. AMORY: Just, just thought it was a fascinating piece.
GUEST: Loved it, thought it was cool.
G. AMORY: We, we see down here, if you help me to sort of turn this up, we see down here that we've got a lot of numbers, measurements.
You can see where other pieces of it were carved out, so they would be fitting other elements to the, the ship.
Um, and it would be a test model for going through the sea trials in controlled conditions before they embarked on creating a structure.
GUEST: Okay.
G. AMORY: At, at auction, which is, would be the only way to really determine this value.
I could see $500, I could see $2,000, the best I ever had aeronautically probably did $4,000.
I don't know that I see that here, but it is just, you know, it's part of what this show is all about.
You just get crazy stuff coming out of the woodwork, and that's exactly what we have here.
GUEST: Thank you, I appreciate it.
G. AMORY: And thanks for bringing it out today.
GUEST: Yeah, yeah, thank you very much.
♪ ♪ ED: Thank you for bringing this wonderful piece to "Chesapeake Collectibles", I'm really excited, I saw this just about half an hour ago and I was just taken away how beautiful it is.
How did you get it, tell us a little bit about it.
GUEST: Well, I inherited this from my parents.
ED: Okay.
GUEST: And my mom always had a love affair with silver, she worked at USF&G in downtown Baltimore.
ED: Okay.
GUEST: And every weekend, she told the story of how she bought, went to Stieff and bought a place setting or a piece of silver.
And so this continued until she was married, and my parents you know, got service for 24 from Rose and then when... so Dad for occasions would give Mom, you know, sugar creamer, bread tray.
ED: Right.
GUEST: And so then when Dad retired, they really loved going to estate sales, and looking for sterling of all things.
ED: And this was bought at an estate.
GUEST: And this was one of them.
ED: This was 1964 I believe, right?
GUEST: '64, right.
Um, it was Governor Lowndes, he was the 43rd, um, governor of Maryland... ED: That's right.
GUEST: And he inherited this from his mother, Elizabeth Moore Lowndes, and then when, um, then when his youngest daughter passed, um, the next year, this went up for auction.
ED: And that's how you got it.
GUEST: That's how it came to our family.
ED: A wonderful, wonderful piece, Rococo revival.
This is actually made by Kirk and Son, not sons, Kirk & Son.
So we know that it's made prior uh, to 1850.
Uh, and in fact, we think this was probably made in 1846, uh which makes it a fairly early piece.
His mom passed away when he was two, so he inherited this, then he became governor in 1896 until 1900, and he died himself in 1900, and then I guess his daughter sold this in 1964.
GUEST: It was kind of sad, I'm sorry to interrupt.
ED: Oh, no go on.
GUEST: That you know, he was governor like you said from 1896 to 1900, and then he passed away five years later in 1905.
ED: Five years later.
But at least he got to enjoy this thing for years and years and years.
GUEST: Exactly, for sure.
ED: This is really interesting because it has a typical Kirk bottom, of the engraving here, this kind of flat field engraving.
Very typical of Baltimore silver.
It also has, as we turn this around, decorations of uh, of a monkey and grapes, and a fox and grapes as well.
Rococo...
GUEST: I know!
As a child I would go over and I would, I was always look so intrigued by that fox and grapes, the monkey and grapes that it's a wonder they're still, that I didn't wear them down.
ED: This is a wonderful, wonderful piece.
Rococo revival, everything, it has everything that you want in a Kirk piece.
It's a fabulous, fabulous piece.
Have you ever had this appraised?
GUEST: Never.
Never.
You're the first.
ED: Okay, well, it's a remarkable piece, and because you have provenance from it, and because it's an important provenance, um, this piece uh, at auction would probably be pulling in from somewhere in the $2,500 range.
GUEST: Wow.
ED: Could retail for quite a bit more than that, but $2,500 to $3,000 is where this piece really, really belongs.
It's in mint condition, you've taken wonderful care of it, you're gonna polish it with very soft, uh, polishing.
GUEST: Oh, absolutely.
ED: Paste polish, clean it very gently, and keep it in polyurethane bags so it doesn't tarnish, and you can enjoy it for many, many years.
It's a great piece, thank you for bringing it.
GUEST: Thank you.
It even has a connection to where we live presently.
ED: Why's that.
GUEST: Because Governor Lowndes, he married um, a Tasker, Elizabeth Tasker.
ED: Yes, he did.
GUEST: And where he lived in Prince George's County, and there's Tasker Elementary, and then there's the Bel Air Mansion that has all the Tasker silver and... ED: Yeah, Elizabeth Marie Tasker, and that's really what the monogram is.
GUEST: Right.
ED: Yeah, thank you for bringing it.
GUEST: Thank you so much.
ED: It's been a pleasure.
(studio chatter).
ALLAN: Hi, welcome to "Chesapeake Collectibles", what did you bring us?
GUEST: Well, I'm bringing a charm bracelet and it's probably a one-of-a-kind, I had the good fortune to come out of college and go to work for the Baltimore Orioles.
I had actually started while in college working for them but my boss in the public relations department offered me a full-time job on graduation, as assistant PR director of the Orioles.
And they were the glory years.
I had been uh, in college with them in '68, '69, graduated in '70, and began work in the front office.
ALLAN: That's impressive.
GUEST: Well, someone who had done a lot of research, and wrote a book, indicated that at that time in Major League Baseball, there were six women, including myself in Major League front offices, um, so uh, well you know, I didn't think of it at the time that it was anything unusual but it turns out that it was.
ALLAN: You were a road maker.
GUEST: I guess.
So, we had you know, occasion to get into playoffs, and World Series, in fact 1969 were the first playoffs.
'69, '70, and '71.
whether Major League Baseball commissioned them, or whether the teams did them individually, charms were made.
For men, it became a tie tag.
For women, it was a charm.
So I saved all the charms from those years playoffs, and World Series charms and over the years added a few others to to this.
The, the Cal Ripken 2131 charm, Jim Palmer's induction into the Hall of Fame, so there's uh, some miscellaneous ones too but the heart of this bracelet are the Oriole charms from '69, '70, and '71.
Actually, there's one uh, celebrating the Oakland defeat of uh, the Mets.
Now you're a New Yorker.
ALLAN: That's right.
GUEST: And, have you gotten over that?
ALLAN: Well, I'm going to tell you, you're going to show me the '69, '70 and '71, who won the '69 World Series?
GUEST: Well, those Mets uh, squeaked by.
ALLAN: And where are the Mets squeaking by in you charm bracelet?
GUEST: Oh, we'll have to go look a little bit closer.
Uh, Pirates, that would be '71.
ALLAN: Right, mm-hm.
GUEST: Uh... what have we got there?
That World Series, is that the Mets?
ALLAN: Yes.
GUEST: There you go!
ALLAN: 1969.
GUEST: '69 ALLAN: And I can tell you I just came to Washington as a transplanted New Yorker, I was going to college, I went to every game in that series.
Four-to-one the Mets, so it didn't bother me that much about Oakland and the Mets later on, because by the time I graduated from school, I was an Oriole fan because I was here.
GUEST: Well you came to the right side.
ALLAN: I, I, I changed my allegiance and so those three years I went to every game the Orioles played at home and every game in the Mets series so I remember it, this very distinctly.
GUEST: That series made a lot of names very popular on the New York side... ALLAN: Yeah.
GUEST: Um, Tom Seaver ALLAN: Right.
GUEST: You know, Ron Swoboda.
ALLAN: Swoboda, yes.
Who was a neighbor of mine.
GUEST: Can't remember, there was a terrific outfielder.
I can't remember his name.
ALLAN: Um, in '69?
GUEST: '69.
ALLAN: It could've been Cleon Jones.
GUEST: I think it was.
ALLAN: Was Cleon Jones, yeah.
Um, the, the charm bracelet, from "Charm City" so we say, is really interesting, from the perspective that it is such emblematic sports memorabilia, and a city that, with the exception of the Colts, the only other team that exists in Baltimore is the Orioles.
And during the glory years, you know, with the Palmer McNally, the Palmer pitching staffs this is really a excellent collection for anybody who wants to go down memory lane.
Ever had it appraised?
GUEST: I've never had it appraised, no.
ALLAN: Wow.
GUEST: And, uh, I think it would probably, it may be hard, I don't know, for an appraiser to say what each charm is valued at.
You know what's missing, it would be wonderful to have a charm of the four 20-game winners that the Orioles had.
ALLAN: That's right, okay.
GUEST: In those... so we've got.
ALLAN: You go, you go ahead.
GUEST: McNally.
ALLAN: Right.
GUEST: Palmer.
ALLAN: Palmer.
GUEST: Cuellar.
ALLAN: Cuellar.
GUEST: Dobson.
ALLAN: Dobson, right.
Yeah, the big four.
GUEST: There was an illustrator for the Wall Street Journal who, when I became engaged, drew me a wedding coach and he put the legend under it, "here's your wedding coach pulled by four 20-game winners" and he had caricatures of those... ALLAN: Where is that?
GUEST: That is at home.
ALLAN: Really.
Someday, somewhere you're going to bring that to our next year's episode.
GUEST: There you go.
ALLAN: That has to be shown.
That is fantastic.
So, from my perspective if I was appraising this for you, for insurance purposes, the problem you would have is, most of these charms are almost inaccessible because they were distributed only to members of the teams so they would become highly collectible in the marketplace.
I would imagine that the insurance value here should range anywhere from about $3,000 to $5,000.
GUEST: Really, that much?
ALLAN: Yeah, it's high, but it's high because we both have allegiances to the teams, and so that changes the whole way I do my appraising, right.
So, thanks so much for coming, this has been great.
GUEST: Well, my pleasure to show it off.
ALLAN: Well thank you for coming.
GUEST: My pleasure thank you.
♪ ♪ PATRICK: Next time on "Chesapeake Collectibles".
ROSS: You have brought in a grouping that is amongst the most exciting that I have been able to look at today.
GUEST: This a Jacob Glushakow oil on canvas painting, he's a local Baltimorean artist.
G. AMORY: This has become one of the most collectible models of Rolex watch out there in the market today.
GUEST: I brought a book by Mr. Whitney Young, that was presented to my father when he was working with The United Way of America in New York City.
ED: But this is really the height of American silver-plated production.
You have a coffee pot, a teapot, hot milk uh, jug, a sugar, a spooner, a creamer, and then you have a couple of mugs.
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GUEST: I wasn't going to come uh, but then my son said "dad you got to get this stuff taken you know, looked at, because it could be worth something" and it's been sittin' for 40 years in my house, on the wall.
GUEST: You know, if you have something to bring, bring it, you'll find out exactly what it is and, you know, how much it's worth.
GUEST: I'm gonna take my ship hull back, and place it back in my office.
GUEST: Even though I we looked at, Googled it and looked up Wikipedia, uh, the appraiser obviously knew a lot more, and uh explained, it was really informative.
GUEST: Oh, I totally enjoyed today's experience.
It's been a fun time, and everyone's extremely nice here at MPT.
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