♪♪ >> COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, THE FUTURE OF THE G.O.P.

FOLLOWING REPUBLICAN SUPPORT IN THE VOTE TO RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES AND MOSQUITO ACTIVITIES, AND APARTMENTS MADE OUT OF SHIPPING CONTAINERS.

THAT AND MORE NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

>> ARIZONA HORIZON IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE CONTRIBUTIONS FROM OF THE FRIENDS OF ARIZONA PBS, MEMBERS OF YOUR PUBLIC TELEVISION STATION.

>> Steve: GOOD EVENING, WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON, I'M STEVE GOLDSTEIN IN FOR TED SIMONS.

FOR NOW, THE PRESIDENT CALLED FOR THE RELEASE ON THE EPSTEIN FILES.

>> AND TODAY A SIGNATURE IS NEEDED TO FINALLY RELEASE THE FILES.

AND PRESIDENT OF HIGHGROUND, INC., CHUCK COUGHLIN.

YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR DECADES.

WHAT MADE THE PRESIDENT DO THIS?

>> DUCK.

WHEN THEY'RE THROWING IT, GET OUT OF THE WAY.

IT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE CALL ON HIS PART.

HE SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS MONTHS AGO, HE PREVAILED, MAYBE WE'LL KNOW AND MAYBE NOT KNOW TO TRY AND STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING, BUT YOU HAD YOUR REPUBLICAN-- ANDY BIGGS, YOU HAD MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE, AL OF THESE PEOPLE SAYING I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR IT AND THAT WAS A FOREGONE CONCLUSION SO GET OUT OF THE WAY.

>> Steve: HOW SHORT ARE OUR MEMORIES, AND PEOPLE PUT UP THE STORY ON WHATEVER IT WAS, HEAVILY INVOLVED WITH EPSTEIN OR WHATEVER IT WAS.

HE SEEMS SAVVY IN A LOT OF WAYS AND THIS SEEMS LIKE HE COMPLETELY MESSED UP.

>> YEAH, I WAS LISTENING TO THE RADIO THIS MORNING AND HOTEL CALIFORNIA CAME ON, YOU CAN CHECK OUT, BUT YOU CAN NEVER LEAVE.

HE'S PART OF THE STORY AND GOING TO BE A PART OF THE STORY AND IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO TRAIL HIM, AND WE'LL SEE WHAT MISS BONDI DOES.

IS SHE GOING TO RELEASE THE FILE OR SAY THERE'S AN INVESTIGATIVE COMPONENT HERE, I HAVE TO KEEP INFORMATION BACK?

AND WHO KNOWS?

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT THESE DAYS IS NOT CALLING BALLS AND STRIKES ALL THE TIME, AS THEY HAVE IN THE PAST.

SO WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

>> Steve: WELL, WITH ALL THE HARDLINERS WHO ARE ONLINE AND DOING WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING TO TRY TO KEEP THIS ALIVE, IF PAM BONDI DOES NOT RELEASE THE ENTIRE FILE AND SOMEONE ONLINE WILL START SPECULATING.

ISN'T THAT DANGEROUS TERRITORY?

>> IT'S -- AMERICANS HATE PEOPLE, ELITISTS, PEOPLE OF POWER, THERE'S A LONG TRADITION OF THAT.

WE'RE WATCHING ON CHANNEL 8 TODAY WE WERE WATCHING THE AMERICAN REVOLUTIONARY EXPERIENCE, WHICH THE FIRST FEW EPISODES WERE ABOUT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T LIKE POWER AND WANTED TO ASSAULT THE CROWN.

WELL, THIS IS A FINE AMERICAN TRADITION.

IT CONTINUES ON TODAY AND IT WILL CONTINUE ON FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS, IF NOT MONTHS.

>> OKAY, SO WHAT DO YOU THINK IS BEHIND THIS BEING THE STORY.

IS IT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY CONCERNED ABOUT ASSOCIATIONS WITH A PEDOPHILE AND SOMEONE WHO MAY HAVE HAD THESE YOUNG WOMEN ON AN ISLAND SOMEWHERE, TRAFFICKING, HOWEVER YOU WANT IT PHRASE IT OR IS IT SIMPLY BECAUSE IT'S SCANDALOUS AND PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IT.

WE TALK ABOUT THIS A LONG TIME AND YOU'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS AND UNDERGONE CHANGES YOURSELF.

IS IT ONE OF THOSE THINGS, PEOPLE ARE SORT OF, WE'RE GOING TO TWITTER AND TALK ABOUT THIS OR FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN?

>> THERE'S CONSTITUENCIES THAT DRIVES US.

THERE'S TREATMENT OF WOMEN.

PREDATORY SEXUAL TRADE OF WOMEN.

THERE'S ALL KIND OF CELEBRITY GOSSIP.

THERE'S ALL KINDS OF ACCOUNTABILITY GROUPS HERE, BUT THE NATURE OF WHAT'S DRIVING THIS IS THE DYSFUNCTIONALITY OF OUR MEDIA TODAY AND HOW DIFFUSED THESE MEDIA ENVIRONMENTS ARE AND HOW SOMEBODY CAN JUST FUEL A NARRATIVE THROUGH THE INTERNET.

AND WHY I HATE THE INTERNET, WHY I DON'T GO THERE FOR MY NEWS, BUT, YOU KNOW, X, YOUTUBE, ALL OF THESE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE -- PODCASTS WHERE PEOPLE GET THEIR NEWS THESE DAYS AND IT JUST FUELS THE CONSTANT DRIVE OF THIS DISCUSSION.

YOU KNOW, AND I THINK JOHN STEINBECK SAID, IDEAS ARE LIKE RABBITS, YOU KNOW, YOU GET A COUPLE OF THEM AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF THEM THERE AND THIS IS PART OF THAT PROBLEM.

>> Steve: AND YOU DON'T NEED TO PROVE ANYTHING ONLINE, YOU JUST THROW IT OUT THERE.

YOU MENTIONED THIS MAY OR MAY NOT STICK WITH US AND BE OUT IN THE PUBLIC.

WE HAVE AN ELECTION NEXT YEAR.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT IT, AND A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS SORT OF THING I GO BACK TO THE SHORT MEMORY QUESTION AGAIN, IF ALL THE FILES ARE RELEASED IS IT HAPPENING EARLY ENOUGH IN THE CYCLE SO WE WON'T HEAR ABOUT IT NEXT SPRING, NEXT FALL, WHATEVER?

>> I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW, PEOPLE ARE SPECULATING, THIS IS THE FIRST FRACTURING, FACTIONALIZING OF THE MAGA MOVEMENT?

THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD WATCH.

40% OF THE ELECTORATE IS IDENTIFIED AS MAGA AND THAT'S BEEN A VERY UNIFIED ELECTORAL FORCE, PARTICULARLY IN REPUBLICAN PRIMARY POLITICS, AND IF YOU SEE THAT FRACTURALIZED, IS THAT A SIGN OF A WEAKENING OF A TRUMP BRAND IN A REPUBLICAN PRIMARY?

DOES THAT CREATE ANOTHER REBEL CAUSE WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY CONSTITUENCY WHERE YOU COULD DRIVE CANDIDATES WITHOUT TRUMP'S ENDORSEMENT?

TODAY IT'S VERY DIFFICULT IT WIN A REPUBLICAN PRIMARY WITHOUT A TRUMP ENDORSEMENT.

DOES THIS CREATE MORE AIR IN THAT ROOM?

I THINK THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY SHOULD BE WATCHING.

>> Steve: WHAT ARE YOU SEEING AS FAR AS APPROVAL NUMBERS?

IT SEEMS THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP IS POPULAR WITH REPUBLICANS, WILL AT THAT CHANGE IF THERE'S MORE INFORMATION FROM THESE FILES?

>> THAT'S THE QUESTION.

HE'S HIT AN ALL-TIME LOW ACROSS THE BOARD.

HE STILL DOES PRETTY WELL WITH REPUBLICANS, BUT THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION, IS THIS GOING TO BE THE THING THAT DRIVES A REPUBLICAN NARRATIVE AND A DIVISION WITHIN THAT MAGA MOVEMENT?

AND THAT'S THE THING WE ALL SHOULD BE PAYING ATTENTION TODAY TO SEE IF HE CAN COME BACK FROM THIS AND DEAL WITH THIS.

IF OTHER MESSAGE POINTS, IF OTHER THINGS THAT HE CAN TALK ABOUT HELP BRING PEOPLE BACK TOGETHER AGAIN, OR, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE UPSET ABOUT IS ALL OF THIS FOCUS ON, YOU KNOW, FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND HAVING A CROWNED PRINCE AND DOING BUSINESS DEALS FROM THE WHITE HOUSE.

THESE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT TRADITIONALLY CAUSE FRACTIONALIZATION WITHIN A REPUBLICAN PRIMARY AUDIENCE.

>> Steve: TWO MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

ONE, HE HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN A LOT OF WAYS, HE'S NOT QUITE THE TEFLON PRESIDENT, THAT'S WHAT REAGAN WAS CALLED, RIGHT?

IF HE'S DEFLECTING WILL HE SPIN THIS TO HURT THE DEMOCRATS?

>> HE'S A MASTER AT IT.

HE'S A REALITY TELEVISION STAR IN THE WHITE HOUSE THAT ALLOWS-- IT'S HIS CHOREOGRAPHY WHAT THE COUNTRY IS TALKING ABOUT.

THAT'S HIS FRUSTRATION.

HE DOESN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS ANYMORE.

NOW HE'S MADE THE DECISION LET'S TRY TO PUT THIS BEHIND US SO HE CAN GET BACK TO CHOREOGRAPHING THE NATIONAL NARRATIVE.

LET'S SEE IF THAT CAN HAPPEN.

>> Steve: ALL RIGHT, YOU'RE NOT NASTRODAMUS, YOU DON'T HAVE THE CRYSTAL BALL.

IT SEEMS THAT AMERICANS WANT SOLUTIONS TO CERTAIN THINGS, INFLATION.

>> THE ECONOMY.

>> AND WORK OUT, GENERALLY THE ECONOMY.

SO IF THE EPSTEIN FILES MOVES TO THE SIDE WITH THE RELEASE OF THEM, IS IT POSSIBLE WE'LL SEE MORE PRAGUETISM IN CONGRESS WHETHER THIS IS A REPUBLICAN PLAN FOR HEALTH CARE THAT REPUBLICANS DON'T LIKE OR SOME PLANS THAT AFFECT PEOPLE'S LIVES?

>> I CAN SEE THE NEXT BIG THING BEING THE SUPREME COURT IS GOING TO RULE ON THE TARIFFS.

THE TARIFFS, I BELIEVE, THEY'RE GOING TO RULE THEM UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

I BELIEVE HE'S GOING TO LET THEM KEEP THE MONEY AND WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THAT MONEY?

I KNOW WHAT HE WANTS TO DO.

HE WANTS TO SEND CHECKS TO EVERYBODY.

I BELIEVE THAT WOULD NOT BE THE FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE THING TO DO.

THAT WOULD BE BUY DOWN THE BUDGET DEFICIT.

BRING THAT DOWN.

THAT'S THE NEXT BIG FOCAL POINT ON DOMESTIC POLICY, IF THE SUPREME COURT DOES THAT, THAT I THINK, WILL CREATE A TREND LINE OF DISCUSSION AND A POTENTIALLY ADDITIONAL FRACTURING OF THE REPUBLICAN BASE.

>> Steve: CHUCK COUGHLIN, GREAT TO SEE YOU.

>> DON'T HOLD ME TO THAT.

>> Steve: WE DON'T RECORD THIS, NO, THANKS AGAIN.

>> JUST THIS YEAR THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES REPORTED 63 CASES OF WEST NILE VIRUS, A LEADING MOSQUITO-BORN ILLNESS IN THE U.S.

AND WITH RAIN ARIZONA SHOULD PREPARE FOR INCREASING MOSQUITO ACTIVITY.

JOHN TOWNSEND, VECTOR MARICOPA COUNTY.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> Steve: IT SOUNDS LIKE A SILLY QUESTION TO START.

ALL OF US KNOW WHAT A MOSQUITOS ARE AND WE CAN LOOK AT BITES.

HOW EASY IS IT TO SPOT A MOSQUITO AND IDENTIFY IT?

>> WELL, WE HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT KINDS, SO, WE HAVE NIGHTTIME BITING MOSQUITOS THAT YOU SHOULD WORRY ABOUT AND THEN WE HAVE DAYTIME BITING MOSQUITOS THAT ARE REALLY MORE OF A NUISANCE.

BUT THEY CAN SURE RUIN THE PARTY.

>> Steve: WELL, THE REASON I ASK THE SILLY QUESTION, SOMETIMES IN MY BACK YARD, I'LL GET A BITE AND IT WILL BE ON MY LEG AREA, I WAS THINKING WAS THAT A MOSQUITO OR A FIRE ANT OF SOME SORT.

IS IT PRETTY EASY TO IDENTIFY WHAT A MOSQUITO BITE IS?

>> YEAH, AND EVERYBODY IS EXPERIENCING THE MOSQUITOS THAT BITE AROUND THE FEET AND ANKLES AND THOSE ARE MOSQUITOS THAT WERE IMPORTED HERE ABOUT 25 YEARS AGO.

WE DIDN'T HAVE THEM BEFORE THAT.

AND THEY BREED RIGHT IN PEOPLE'S BACK YARDS.

THEY'RE CONTAINER BREEDERS.

THEY PREFER HUMAN BLOOD AS THEIR BLOOD MEAL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE REALLY ADAPTED TO LIVING AROUND PEOPLE.

>> Steve: ARE THOSE THE ONES THAT CARRY WEST NILE?

OR IS THAT DIFFERENT?

>> NO, THOSE ARE ASSOCIATED-- THEY CAN BE ASSOCIATED WITH DENGUE FEVER, CHIKUNGUNYA, BUT WEST NILE ARE THE NIGHTTIME BITING MOSQUITOS AND THEY PICK THOSE UP FROM THE BIRDS.

>> Steve: WE KNOW, I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 40 YEARS, WE KNOW THIS IS USUALLY A DRY PLACE AND THIS WAS ALMOST A VERY DRY MONSOON UNTIL THE END OF THE SEPTEMBER HAD ABOUT FOUR STRAIGHT DAYS OF RAIN IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE VALLEY.

>> YEAH.

>> Steve: SO, IS IT JUST AS SIMPLE, JOHN, THAT THIS WEEK'S A RAINY WEEK AND WE'LL SEE MORE MOSQUITOS BECAUSE OF THAT?

>> WELL, IN PART.

I MEAN, WE ALSO HAVE A DROP IN TEMPERATURES SO THAT THAT'S GOING TO HELP US OUT BECAUSE THESE DAYTIME BITING FLOOD WATER MOSQUITOS, ONCE THOSE TEMPERATURES AT NIGHT GET DOWN AROUND 50 DEGREES, THE EGGS THAT HAVE BEEN LAID ALL OVER THE PLACE WON'T BE HATCHING OUT.

>> Steve: OKAY.

>> NE WON'T BE HATCHING OUT UNTIL NEXT SPRING.

>> Steve: THAT'S GOOD NEWS.

I WAS ASKING IF WE NEEDED A HARD FREEZE WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE GET FAIRLY RARELY, BUT 50 DEGREES IS HELPFUL.

>> 50 DEGREES AND FROM THE FLOOD WATERS WILL HELP THEM FROM HATCHING OUT.

IT DOESN'T HELP WITH THE NIGHTTIME BITERS UNLESS YOU HAVE A FREEZE.

>> Steve: LET'S GO TO THE BACK YARDS.

WE DID PLANT A WINTER LAWN, I KNOW IN PHOENIX IT'S NOT A GREAT IDEA.

WE DID AND A SMALL PLOT OF LAWN.

AND WE'VE NOTICED BECAUSE OF EXTRA WATERING, JUST LIKE THAT.

I GUESS I'M GOING TO ASK HOW LONG BEFORE MOSQUITOS MAKE TROUBLE AND WHAT'S THE LIFE SPAN?

>> TAKE A CUP OF WATER LIKE THAT, IF THAT'S OUT IN THE BACK YARD.

THE MOSQUITOS ONCE THEY TAKE A BLOOD MEAL RAN HAVE TO LAY THEIR EGGS, THEY'LL LAY EGGS AROUND WHERE THE WATER LINE IS.

IT WILL EVAPORATE AND GO AWAY, BUT YOU'LL HAVE A RING OF EGGS, THAT'S FOR LOW DEPRESSION, A DOG DISH, A BUCKET OF WATER, ANYTHING.

THE NEXT TIME THAT WATER COMES IN CONTACT WITH THE EGGS AND IT FILLS BACK UP, THAT'S THE STARTING POINT IN ABOUT A WEEK AFTER THAT HAPPENS, ALL-- IF THERE WAS A THOUSAND EGGS IN THAT BUCKET, A THOUSAND MOSQUITOS WILL GO THROUGH THEIR LIFE CYCLE, HATCH OUT AND THEY'LL ALL BE COMING FOR YOU IF YOU'RE OUT IN THE BACK YARD, TO GET ANOTHER BLOOD MEAL SO THEY CAN GO BACK TO THE SAME SPOT TO LAY MORE EGGS FOR THE NEXT TIME AROUND.

>> Steve: LET'S TALK ABOUT COMPLAINTS.

HAVE WE BEEN GETTING MORE OF THAT AND STARTING IN SEPTEMBER?

WHAT CAN THE COUNTY DO WHEN PEOPLE CALL IN AND ARE CONCERNED.

>> YEAH, IT DID.

WE PROBABLY HAD ABOUT 1500 COMPLAINTS BEFORE SEPTEMBER.

WE'RE UP TO OVER 6,000 RIGHT NOW SO, YEAH, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS.

WHAT WE DO, IS WE GO OUT, WE INVESTIGATE THE AREA, LOOK FOR ANY KIND OF BREEDING SITES.

WE HAVE OVER 850 SURVEILLANCE TRAPS THAT WE SET EVERY SINGLE WEEK SO WE'RE COLLECTING MOSQUITOS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTY.

WE BRING THOSE BACK TO OUR LAB AND THEN SORT THEM OUT SO WE HAVE THE DIFFERENT SPECIES OF MOSQUITOS AND THEN THOSE NIGHTTIME BITERS, WE'LL SEPARATE THOSE OUT AND TEST FOR WEST NILE AND ST.

LOUIS ENCEPHALITIS.

>> Steve: OKAY, SO DO THE SITES VARY?

DO YOU DECIDE BASED ON WHAT ACTIVITY YOU'VE SEEN AND FOR FOLKS GOING OUT FOR A WALK, WHAT DO THE TRANSPLANTS LOOK LIKE?

>> THEY'RE A CARBON DIOXIDE TRAP WE USUALLY HANG THEM IN A TREE OR SOMEPLACE UP HIGHER.

THEY HAVE GAS THAT'S RELEASED FROM DRY ICE AND SO DRY ICE COMES OUT, THAT ATTRACTS THE MOSQUITO BECAUSE CARBON DIOXIDE EVERY TIME YOU TAKE A BREATH YOU'RE GIVING OUT CO2, THAT'S THE ATTRACTANT THAT MAKES THE MOSQUITOS COME TO YOU.

WE DO THE SAME THING WITH THE TRAPS AND THERE'S A FAN AND A NET AND WHEN THEY THINK THEY ARE GOING TO COME AND GET A BLOOD MEAL, IT SUCKS THEN DOWN INTO THE NET AND WE TAKE AND TEST THEM.

>> Steve: I'M SOMEONE WHO LIKES TO EAT A LOT OF FRUIT, I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT MAKES ME SWEETER TO THE MOSQUITOS, TRUE OR FALSE?

>> I CAN'T CONFIRM OR DENY THAT.

>> Steve: OKAY.

>> I KNOW I'VE HEARD STORIES ABOUT PEOPLE THAT DRINK BEER THAT THEY LIKE PEOPLE THAT DRINK BEER, TOO.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

[LAUGHTER].

>> Steve: GOOD TO SEE YOU, JOHN.

>> THANK YOU.

♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ >> I'M JEFF BENNETT TONIGHT ON THE NEWS HOUR, THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT COMES UNDER MORE SCRUTINY FOR HOW IT'S HANDLING THE JAMES COMEY CASE.

THAT'S AT 6:00 ON ARIZONA PBS.

>> STACKS ON POLK IS A 19-UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX USING SHIPPING CONTAINERS, TUDO CAPITAL WAS ABLE TO LOWER THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND EVAN GLICKMAN IS FROM TUDO CAPITAL.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> Steve: PEOPLE CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT'S IT'S MADE OF.

>> FOR STACKS ON POLK WE MARRY CONTAINERS TOGETHER.

THEY ARE THEY'RE COMBINED LENGTH-WISE MARRIED TOGETHER.

AND THREE BEDROOM THREE SHIPPING CONTAINERS.

TWO BEDROOM 960 SQUARE FEET, PRETTY GOOD SIZE FOR A TWO-BEDROOM UNIT.

>> Steve: YOU MENTIONED HERMOSILLO, IS THE INTEROR BASICALLY DONE, WHEN IT'S TRANSPORTED ALMOST DONE?

>> YEAH, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

IT COMES WITH TILING AND FLOORING, KITCHEN, CABINETRY, THERE'S WORK TO GET THEM TOGETHER WIRING ACROSS THE MODULES AND WE DON'T SHIP FOUNDATIONS OR SEWER CONNECTIONS TO THE MAIN LINE.

AS MUCH AS WE COULD, WE DID IN THE FACTORY, THAT WAS PART OF THE INVESTMENT, TO DO AS MUCH OFF SITE AS POSSIBLE.

>> Steve: SO FOR THIS PROJECT SPECIFICALLY ONCE IT GOT TO PHOENIX, HOW MUCH MORE TIME-- I KNOW IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME.

IN THE FACTORY, A SLOWDOWN BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC.

ONCE IT GETS TO THE LAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOUR APARTMENTS, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FROM THERE?

>> SO, WE HAD A LEARNING CURVE ON THE FIRST PROJECT, THREW A WRENCH INTO IT SO IT TOOK A WHILE, BUT THE ASSEMBLY WENT TOGETHER.

>> Steve: WHAT WAS THE RESPONSE SO FAR?

>> VERY VARIED RESPONSE?

SOME PEOPLE ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT, A UNIQUE ATHLETIC AESTHETIC AND I'VE HAD PEOPLE WALKING DOWN STREET, SAYING IT'S UGLIEST.

>> PEOPLE WHO WANT INDUSTRIAL, OR RECYCLED.

BUT IT'S NOT FOR EVERYBODY.

>> Steve: I THINK IT ACTUALLY LOOKS INTERESTING, I WOULDN'T SAY I LOVE IT OR HATE IT.

>> IT'S UNIQUE, IT'S RECYCLED SHIPPING CONTAINERS AND WE SOFTEN THE EDGE WITH A LOT OF LANDSCAPING AND GROWING VINES AND SOME JUDICIAL USE MANY SOME COSMETIC IMPROVEMENTS.

IT'S A UNIQUE LOOK, A COUPLE OTHER CONTAINER PROJECTS HERE IN PHOENIX.

>> Steve: I WOULD THINK IT'S ATTRACTIVE.

ARIZONA HAS A LOT OF RURAL PARTS, BUT FOR IT TO BE EFFECTIVE IN A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE WHERE YOU'VE CLOSEN TO GO IS A REALLY GOOD SPOT.

DOES THAT HELP IN TERMS OF EVEN FROM INFRASTRUCTURE, I SUPPOSE, TO MAKE SURE THAT -- AND WOULD YOU HOPE TO EXPAND BEYOND THE CITY LIMITS EVENTUALLY IF THINGS ARE SUCCESSFUL?

>> OH, ABSOLUTELY.

WE-- THE LIMITING FACTOR FOR THE EXPANSION IS MOST LIKELY THE TRANSPORTATION COSTS, SO IT COSTS THE SAME AMOUNT TO MOVE A CONTAINER NO MATTER WHAT'S INSIDE OF IT.

SO FROM OUR FACTORY TO PHOENIX IS RELATIVELY CLOSE BY, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO THE EAST COAST OR NORTHERN STATES.

THAT LINEAR MILE, EXTRA MILE IS GOING TO ADD TO YOUR BASE COST AND IT STARTS GETTING -- THE MATH STOPS WORKING AFTER A CERTAIN DISTANCE.

>> Steve: SO FOR FOLKS WHO HAVE NOT NECESSARILY LOVE THE AESTHETIC, BUT LIKE THE IDEA OF IT.

HOW MUCH COMES FROM THE CONCEPT OF RECYCLED MATERIALS AND EVEN, I'M THINKING, GENERATIONALLY.

ARE WE THINKING YOUNGER PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT WANT THE HASSLE OF HOME OWNERSHIP AND THINKING THIS IS A WAY TO PERHAPS HELP THE ENVIRONMENT, BUT ALSO DO SOMETHING UNIQUE AND NOT NECESSARILY DO WHAT MY PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS DID?

>> YEAH, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME OF THAT.

AGAIN, I THINK A LOT OF APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT YOU SEE RIGHT NOW, PEOPLE THINK ARE A LITTLE COOKIE CUTTER.

SO THE DESIGN OF NEW APARTMENTS IS REALLY COST DRIVEN FOR HOW PEOPLE ARE IN THIS LOCATION.

30% HAS TO HAVE A DIFFERENT MATERIAL AND DEVIATIONS THIS WAY AND THIS WAY, AND WE THANK YOU AS MUCH OF THAT OUT AS WE COULD AND CAME THIS WITH NEW IDEA.

LIKE YOU SAID, GENERATIONAL, SOMETHING DIFFERENT, SOME CHARACTER, THIS IS A STORY AND WHEN YOU'RE LIVING THERE, YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING INTERESTING AS OPPOSED TO JUST LIVING IN ANOTHER APARTMENT COMMUNITY THAT LOOKS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME NO MATTER WHERE YOU'D GO.

>> Steve: BRIEFLY, WERE THERE ZONING CHALLENGES INITIALLY, JUST SORT OF EXPLAINING TO THE POWERS THAT BE WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO DO?

>> SO, THERE WEREN'T THAT MANY ZONING CHALLENGES.

SO PHOENIX IS A BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT FRIENDLY LOCATION AND WE WERE ABLE TO NAVIGATE THAT.

THERE WERE A LOT OF MEETINGS TO FIGURE IT OUT IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT IT WAS BY RIGHT DEVELOPMENT.

I WAS ABLE TO TELL THE CITY AND STATES I CHECKED THE RIGHT BOXES AND LUCKILY, BY RIGHT DEVELOPMENT, THEY COULDN'T STOP ME FROM BUILDING IT BASICALLY IS WHAT I MEAN BY THAT.

>> Steve: ABOUT 30 SECONDS LEFT.

MY LAST QUESTION DOESN'T FALL NECESSARILY IN THE AFFORDABLE CATEGORY, BUT LESS EXPENSIVE THAN THE MARKET.

AND HOW APPEALING AND WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE THAT AS AFFORDABLE.

>> IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE WITH A CAPITAL "A", AND THAT'S MORE OF A BANDAID TO THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

AND THAT ALLOWS US TO MARKET OUR UNIT LESS EXPENSIVE.

IF ENOUGH ARE BUILT IT WILL MAKE IT MORE AFFORDABLE FOR EVERYBODY.

>> Steve: EVAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Steve: AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS EDITION OF ARIZONA HORIZON, I'M STEVE GOLDSTEIN IN FOR TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU FOR WATCHING.

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