
Erin Lee Carr on New Projects, Her Father’s Legacy and Grief
Clip: 5/20/2019 | 17m 18sVideo has Closed Captions
Filmmaker and Author Erin Lee Carr joins the program.
Alicia Menendez speaks to author of “All That You Leave Behind,” Erin Lee Carr. Her father was star journalist David Carr, who collapsed in the New York Times newsroom in 2015. She discusses her father’s legacy and her own grief.
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Erin Lee Carr on New Projects, Her Father’s Legacy and Grief
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Alicia Menendez speaks to author of “All That You Leave Behind,” Erin Lee Carr. Her father was star journalist David Carr, who collapsed in the New York Times newsroom in 2015. She discusses her father’s legacy and her own grief.
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AFTER DAVID CARR COLLAPSED IN THE NEWSROOM OF "THE NEW YORK TIMES" IN 2015 HIS DAUGHTER ERIN LEE CARR COMBED THROUGH A LIFETIME IN TERMS OF SUPPORT.
WHAT SHE FOUND IS EXPLORED IN A DOCUMENTARY.
SHE SPOKE ABOUT IT ALL.
>> THE SUDDEN DEATH OF YOUR FATHER, DAVID CARR IS THE CATALYST FOR YOUR NEW MEMOIR, ALL THAT YOU LEAVE BEHIND.
THERE WERE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO FOLLOWED HIM ON TWITTER, WHO READ HIS WRITING.
WHAT WAS IT ABOUT HIM THAT MADE HIM SO INDISPENSABLE AS A JOURNALIST?
>> I THINK THE ANSWER I KEEP COMING BACK TO IS REALLY DIRECT, REALLY HONEST.
HE WAS JUST THIS AMAZING LINGUIST WITH IDEAS, AND YOU NEVER CAN PREDICT WHAT HE WAS GOING TO SAY.
LIKE IF HE WERE SITTING HERE IT WOULD BE A VERY DIFFERENT INTERVIEW.
HE JUST HAD SUCH A UNIQUE SURPRISING QUALITY.
>> EVERYONE I KNEW WHO READ THIS BOOK SAID, WELL, I WAS CLOSE TO MY PARENTS BUT I'M STARTING TO DOUBT THAT BECAUSE THE RELATIONSHIP YOU HAD WAS SO UNIQUE.
RIGHT?
DID YOU KNOW THAT BEFORE YOU WROTE THE BOOK?
>> I THINK I DID.
I THINK THAT WHEN YOU HAVE AN ORIGIN STORY LIKE WE DO, AND THAT IS HE WAS ADDICTED TO DRUGS AND HE GOT SOBER, SO WE LITERALLY CHANGED HIS LIFE.
AND SO I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF CLOSENESS DERIVED FROM THAT.
LIKE HE HAPPENED TO TAKE CARE OF US BECAUSE HE HAD ABANDONED US AT A CERTAIN POINT.
AND SO I THINK THAT I WAS VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE CLOSENESS, BUT GOD DAMMIT, HOW SCARY IT WAS WHEN HE DIED.
THE HOLE WAS SO BIG BECAUSE HE WAS MY PARENT, MY MENTOR, MY GOOD FRIEND AND CONFIDANT, AND WHEN HE DIED IT WAS LIKE ALL OF THOSE ROLES WERE GONE.
SO I WAS LEFT TO FIGURE IT OUT.
I GUESS I FELT KIND OF RESENTFUL HE WAS ALL THOSE THINGS.
>> WHEN YOU WERE LITTLE YOUR DAD USED TO WHISPER TO YOU AND YOUR TWIN SISTER EVERYTHING GOOD STARTED WITH YOU.
AND YOU WRITE IN THE BOOK I REALIZE THE CONVERSE TRUTH THERE MUST HAVE BEEN AN EVERYTHING BAD BEFORE THERE WAS AN EVERYTHING GOOD.
YOU TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DRUGS, THE ALCOHOL.
PAINT A PICTURE FOR ME.
WHAT DID YOU LEARN WAS HIS LIFE THAT PREDATED YOU?
>> YOU KNOW, HE WAS SOMEBODY THAT DRINKS WINE AFTER DINNER AND OH, I MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN WHAT TO DO THE NEXT DAY.
HE WAS A BLACKOUT INTENSE ALCOHOLIC.
HE WAS SOMEBODY WHO GOT INVOLVED WITH A PROLIFIC DRUG DEALER IN MINNEAPOLIS, AND THEY GOT TOGETHER AND THEY WENT FROM DRY GOODS, COCAINE TO CRACK.
AND THAT IS NOT THE TYPICAL STORY OF HOW YOUR PARENTS MEET.
AND I THINK THAT IT JUST SORT OF REALLY SHOCKED PEOPLE, BUT I THINK THAT ONE OF THINGS THAT'S UNUSUAL ABOUT THIS IS HE GOT SOBER.
I THINK WHEN WE WERE BORN HE WAS NOT SOBER.
HE WAS NOT ABLE TO DO IT YET BUT HE SORT OF SAW AS WE WERE COMING INTO THE WORLD AND HE HAD TO DEPOSIT US AT FOSTER CARE AND GET SOBER, HE SAYS THIS IS WORTH GETTING SOBER FOR.
I'M NOT JUST MESSING UP MY LIFE, I WOULD BE MESSING UP THEIRS.
SO PRETTY INCREDIBLE HE WAS ABLE TO KICK A HABIT LIKE THAT.
>> THERE'S A STORY YOU TELL IN THIS BOOK ABOUT YOU AND YOUR SISTER VERY LITTLE BEING LEFT IN SNOW SUITS IN THE CAR SO THAT HE COULD GET HIGH.
AND I WONDER FOR YOU HOW YOU LOOK BACK AT THAT STORY AND COMPORT THAT PERSON, THE DAD WHO DID THAT WITH THE DAD WHO RAISED YOU IN ALL THOSE DAYS AFTER.
>> I THINK THAT STORY IS -- TEACHES US THAT ADDICTION EXPLAINS EVERYTHING AND EXCUSES NOTHING.
THAT WAS NOT THE FIRST OR LAST TIME HE WOULD PUT OUR LIVES IN DANGER.
I THINK THAT WHEN ALCOHOL AND DRUGS INTERACTED WITH MY FATHER HE WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE PARENTING DECISIONS.
AND SO THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFLICT OF, YOU KNOW, MY DAD HELPS ME WITH MOST THINGS BUT HE ALSO HAS GOTTEN DRUNK, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL.
I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO RECONCILE, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
IT FELT LIKE THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
BUT I GUESS THAT IT -- BUT THEN I WOULD REALIZE I DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND ADDICTION.
>> HOW DID THE ADDICTION THAT HE GRAPPLED WITH BEGIN TO MANIFEST IN YOUR OWN LIFE FOR YOU?
>> FROM THE VERY FIRST TIME I TOOK A SIP OF ALCOHOL I WANTED MORE.
AND THAT WOULD ALWAYS BE THE CASE WITH ME AND ALCOHOL.
IF I HAD A GLASS I WANTED THREE.
IF I WANTED THREE THEN I HAD SEVEN.
AND SO IN MY 20s AS A YOUNG PERSON I FELT MYSELF CLEATY AT ODDS WITH MY ALCOHOLISM.
IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE MY DAD'S.
I WASN'T SUFFERING WITH CRACK ADDICTION.
I DIDN'T HAVE TO GIVE UP BABIES FOR ADOPTION -- EXCUSE ME, FOR FOSTER CARE.
BUT I WAS BEGINNING TO MAKE CHOICES IN MY LIFE.
COULD I GO TO THE MEETING IN THE MORNING?
COULD I DO ALL THE WORK I NEEDED TO FOR THE NEXT DAY WHILE I WAS DRINKING?
NO, I COULD NOT.
>> YET EVEN THROUGH SOME OF THAT PROCESS YOU RECONCILE IT TO YOURSELF LIKE I'M JUST A NICE GIRL WHO, YOU KNOW, DRINKS A LITTLE TOO MUCH WHITE WINE.
THERE WAS DIFFICULTY IDENTIFYING IT AS ADDICTION -- >> WELL, THAT'S THE DISEASE.
THAT'S LIKE DELUSION.
I MEAN, NO ONE NEEDS TO HAVE TEN DRINKS.
I THINK THAT I -- YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOMETIMES I WOULD HAVE TWO, AND I WAS ABLE TO DO IT.
I THINK I WROTE THIS BOOK TO -- IN AN EFFORT TO DEMYSTIFY WHAT ALCOHOLISM LOOKS LIKE.
>> THERE'S A PASSAGE I'D LOVE FOR YOU TO READ.
IT'S 196.
>> AS THE WEEKS PASSED I COULDN'T HELP BUT TEXT HIM.
BECAUSE WE HAD BEEN SO DIGITALLY TETHERED IT FELT A BIT NORMAL ALBEIT MORBID.
ONE MORNING I WROTE -- THE MESSAGE FELT LIKE THE PANICKED KID WHO HAD FORGOTTEN HER ALGEBRA ASSIGNMENT.
I SOMETIMES FEEL LIKE AN INFERIOR VERSION OF A DOPAL GANGER.
OUR TEXT HISTORY IS SHORT.
I DELETED A MAJORITY OF THEM TO FREE UP SPACE ON MY PHONE AND I CURSE MYSELF FOR IT, BUT I STILL HAVE HIS E-MAILS.
I TYPED IN C-A-R-R 2M AT G MAIL.COM.
I STARTED COPYING AND POSTING MY FAVORITE LINES.
I FIND MYSELF THINKINGABOU ABOUU A LOT.
I'D BE WORKING EVERY ANGLE.
WHEN I CLOSE MY EYES I COULD HEAR HIM SAYING THOSE THINGS OUT LOUD.
WHENEVER I WOULD SEND HIM A FLARE E-MAIL HIS RESPONSE WAS ALWAYS RELENTLESSLY POSITIVE AND MADE ME FEEL I PART OF A TRIBE, A TEAM.
I KNEW THIS WAS A RARE RELATIONSHIP FOR A CHILD TO HAVE A PARENT.
>> YOU'VE LIVED A VERY RAREFIED EXISTENCE AND I MEAN THAT IN A NUMBER OF WAYS.
BUT ONE OF THE WAYS IN WHICH I MEAN THAT IS THAT YOU'RE A PUBLIC PERSON IN YOUR OWN RIGHT WITH YOUR OWN ACCOMPLISH MCMENT.
YOU'RE THE CHILD OF SOMEONE WHO WAS A PUBLIC PERSON, AND YOU CRYSTALLIZE IN THE BOOK THE DAY HE DIES.
WHAT WAS IT LIKE TO SHARE THAT MOMENT WITH THE WORLD?
>> AT THE TIME IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
I THINK IN ALL THE DAYS THAT CAME BEFORE IT I WAS SO GRATEFUL TO BE MY DAD'S KID, THAT HE GOT TO LIVE HIS LIFE FULL OF CREATIVE DIRECTION.
HE WAS SO PROUD OF "THE NEW YORK TIMES," BUT THE FACT HIS PROFESSIONAL IMPORTANCE TOOK PRECEDENCE WITH OUR FAMILY DEALING THE AFTERMATH OF HIS DEATH IT MADE ME SO MAD.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN FAMOUS PEOPLE DIE I GET -- I FEEL ANGRY AT OUR RESPONSE.
WHETHER IT BE ANTHONY BOURDAIN, EVERY SINGLE PERSON PUTTING ON INSTAGRAM I LOVED HIM, LIKE HIS FAMILY LOVED HIM.
CAN WE JUST GIVE THEM A SECOND, YOU KNOW?
AND I THINK THAT NIGHT I WAS REALLY ANGRY AT THE TWITTER CHORUS.
BUT I THINK IN THE DAYS THAT FOLLOWED REALLY UNDERSTANDING HOW HE WAS LOVED.
AND IT WASN'T JUST BY OUR SMALL MINNESOTAN FAMILY.
IT WAS REALLY BY HIS FRIENDS.
I THINK IT ULTIMATELY WAS VERY HEALING.
I GUESS I'M TRYING TO SPEAK THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFLICT INVOLVE.
>> HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE MORE GENERALLY THE EXPERIENCE OF BEING A PERSON WHO SHARES A PARENT WITH SO MANY PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY FOR YOU WHEN IT'S THE ONLY PARENT YOU REALLY HAVE?
>> I THINK IT WAS WEIRD IN THE MONTHS AFTER HIS DEATH BECAUSE HIS FRIENDS WOULD TAKE ME OUT TO LUNCH.
AND THEY WOULD BE LIKE DO YOU -- DO HAVE A -- THERE WAS THIS CONFUSION BECAUSE I'M HIS KID, I'M HIS CLOSE SORT OF PROT ÉG É, SO THEY WANT A DAVID CARR.
AND I FELT LIKE THIS TOTAL FRAUD.
THIS PERSON THAT HUNG OUT WITH HIM, THAT LOVES HIM BUT SUCH A WORSE VERSION OF HIM.
SO IT'S REALLY CONFUSING TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT PEOPLE WANTED FROM ME.
>> WHAT DID IT TAKE TO GO FROM FEELING LIKE SOMEONE'S DISAPPOINTING DOPPELGANGER TO BECOMING ONE'S OWN PERSON?
ARE YOU THERE?
>> I'M THERE WHEN I'M IN YOUR SPOT.
I THINK WHEN I'M DOING MY JOB I VERY CLEARLY FEEL LIKE MY OWN PERSON.
I THINK WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT HIM AND HAVING THESE EMOTIONAL CONVERSATIONS I FEEL HIM.
I WONDER IF I'M SAYING THE RIGHT THING.
I THINK THAT THERE ENTERS SOME SELF-DOUBT OF WHICH I DON'T HAVE A LOT OTHERWISE IN MY LIFE BECAUSE I'VE DEALT WITH IT.
I THINK THAT, YEAH.
>> THERE'S A CORE CONTENTION OF THE BOOK WHICH IS HERE YOU ARE A PERSON WHO WANTS TO SUCCEED ON MERIT, WHO HAS DONE A LOT OF HARD WORK TO MAKE THAT SO, AND YET THERE'S THE REALITY YOU ARE KNOWN AS SOMEONE ELSE'S CHILD -- >> SOMEONE'S CHILD -- >> WHICH IN YOUR 30s, YES, IS VERY STRANGE THING.
AND YET YOU WRITE A BOOK THAT CENTERS YOURSELF, RIGHT?
THAT IS THE CHALLENGE, WHICH IS HOW DO YOU WRITE A BOOK THAT CENTERS YOU AS SOMEONE'S CHILD WHILE THEN THAT NOT BECOMING THE TOTALITY OF WHO YOU ARE OR HOW OTHER PEOPLE SEE YOU?
>> I LOVED YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT I HAVE A RAREFIED EXISTENCE BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A BOOK THAT LOOKS THE OTHER WAY ON THAT.
WHEN PEOPLE THINK ABOUT NEPOTISM OR CONNECTIONS OR BEING SOMEBODY'S KID, I MEAN IT IS MY JOB TO FULLY EMBRACE IT AND BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT IT.
WHEN I TALKED TO STUDENTS I TALK MY ORIGIN STORY ABOUT IN MEDIA HOW THAT HAPPEND.
BUT I ALSO TALK ABOUT THE LESSONS HE AS MY MENTOR, BRING A PREPARED, OFFER TO PAY FOR THE CHECK.
DON'T BE AN IDIOT, I THINK.
SO I'M GRATEFUL TO BE HIS KID BUT IT'S ALMOST LIKE I NEED TO SAY THAT.
IF I WALK INTO A ROOM AND SOMEBODY INTRODUCES ME AS DAVID CARR'S CHILD THAT'S NOT GOING TO GO WELL FOR THEM.
I GET TO SAY THAT.
I THINK I DON'T WANT TO COME ACROSS AS BRUSQUE BUT I THINK WE'RE ALL SEARCHING AND FINDING OURSELVES ABOUT WHO WE WERE AND WHO WE'RE BECOMING.
AND I THINK THAT HAS BEEN ABOUT ME REALLY DECLARING THAT VERSUS SOMEONE ELSE DOING IT.
>> THERE'S A PART IN THE BOOK WHERE YOU SAY YOU'RE NEITHER PRETTY ENOUGH OR SMART ENOUGH TO NOT SHOWER, WHICH STINGS EVEN SECOND HAND AND YET IS IN THE P P PANTHEON OF THINGS YOU LEARN FROM HIM.
>> IT'S REALLY ABOUT TRUSTING YOUR GUT.
HE TAUGHT ME HOW TO PICK A STORY, WHAT HAS THE ABILITY TO GO VIRAL, HOW TO TALK TO PEOPLE, HOW TO GET THEM TO TRUST YOU.
I MEAN, IT IS SO EMBEDDED WITHIN THE DNA OF WHAT I DO ON A DAILY BASIS.
AND SO WHAT I LOVE ABOUT WHAT HE SAYS TO ME ABOUT THESE THINGS IS IT IS INHERENT THAT YOU KNOW HOW TO TELL A GOOD STORY.
I DIDN'T TEACH YOU THAT.
IT'S BY YOU THINKING ABOUT THIS AND WATCHING AND BEING A PART OF AN AUDIENCE WHERE YOU FIGURED IT OUT.
HE DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE CREDIT FOR THAT, BUT I THINK THAT I MUST HAVE GOTTEN IT ALSO FROM HIM.
>> IN YOUR DOCUMENTARY WORK YOU ARE DRAWN TO REALLY COMPLICATED CHARACTERS, LARGELY WOMEN.
LOTS OF GRAY AREA IN THE SUBJECT MATTER THAT YOU EXPLORE, A LOT OF YOUR WORK ENDS THROUGH CRIME.
DO YOU THINK THERE'S SOMETHING IN YOUR BACKGROUND THAT MAKES YOU GRAVITATE TOWARDS THAT TYPE OF PERSON?
>> IT'S WHERE THE INTERESTING STORIES LIE.
I WAS RAISED UNDERSTANDING WE ARE NOT EQUAL TO OUR BEST OR WORST ACTION.
AND SO AS A TRUE CRIME FILMMAKER I REALLY WANT TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IS AN EMPATHETIC WAY TO DO THIS WORK AND DO IT WELL.
AND A NEW TWO PART COMING OUT ABOUT MICHELLE CARTER, THE WOMAN WHO TEXTED HER BOYFRIEND TO KILL HIMSELF AND SADLY HE DID.
>> YOUR MOST RECENT PROJECT TAKES A LOOK AT THE SEXUAL ABUSE SCANDAL THAT ROCKED USA GYMNASTICS.
WHAT WAS THE HARDEST PART OF MAKING THAT FILM.
>> IT WAS A DEPARTURE FOR ME BUT I WAS FASCINATED BECAUSE HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN?
HOW ON EARTH DOES SOMETHING LIKE THIS GO ON FOR 20 YEARS?
WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT OUR SOCIETY, ABOUT FEMALE SEXUALITY, YOU CAN'T TELL YOUR PARENT SOMETHING WEIRD JUST HAPPENED IN THERE?
I KNEW THAT IT WASN'T -- IT WASN'T SPECIFICALLY LIKE ME OTHER WORK BUT WHEN I WATCHED THE VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENTS IN THAT COURTROOM IN MICHIGAN.
>> IT CAUSES ME SIGNIFICANT ANGUISH, BUT I HURT WORSE AS I WATCHED MY FATHER REALIZE WHAT HE HAD PUT ME THROUGH.
MY FATHER AND I DID OUR BEST TO PATCH UP OUR TATTERED RELATIONSHIP BEFORE HE COMMITTED SUICIDE IN 2016.
>> I'VE BEEN WORKING ON SIX MONTHS PRIOR TO THAT.
I'D NEVER SEEN SOMETHING SO INCREDIBLE AND SO BRAVE.
AND THIS WAS AFTER I'D WRITTEN THE BOOK, SO, YOU KNOW, I HAD A NEW AMOUNT OF EMOTIONAL AWARENESS AS IT RELATES TO PEOPLE PROCESSING.
>> I COULDN'T HELP BUT WONDER WOULD DAVID CARR LIKE THIS BOOK.
>> I THINK IF I'M ANSWERING VERY HONESTLY I THINK THE DEPICTION OF HIS FAMILY AFTER HIS DEATH WOULD BE DEEPLY HARD FOR HIM TO READ.
I THINK THAT GRIEF HAS A WAY OF EITHER PULLING OR BRINGING THEM TOGETHER, AND WE DID NOT KNOW HOW TO DO IT AFTER HE DIED.
AND SO HOLIDAYS BECAME THIS INCREDIBLY MAUDLIN AFFAIR.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PAINFUL FOR HIM.
HE LOVES HIS WIFE JILL, I WRITE ABOUT HER AS MY STEP MOM.
I THINK HE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE EDITS ON THAT.
I KNOW MY SISTERS DID.
SHE'S AN INCREDIBLE PERSON AND SHE WAS DEALING WITH THE VERY SUDDEN DEATH OF HER PARTNER.
SO WHILE THIS BOOK MAY HAVE INTENSE MOMENTS WITH HER, I, LIKE -- YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND.
SHE JUST DIDN'T TAKE CARE OF US BECAUSE SHE WAS TAKING CARE OF HERSELF.
IN TERMS OF THINGS HE WOULD LOVE, HE WOULD LOVE THE PICTURE OF US LIKE DANCING.
I DON'T THINK IT'S VERY USUAL TO BE IN A DANCE PARTY WITH YOUR DAD AND THERE WE ARE HAVING LIKE THE MOST FUN.
HE LOVES A GOOD REDEMPTION STORY LINE.
I THINK IT WAS VERY UNCLEAR IF I WAS GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL, AND HE ALWAYS SAID, LIKE, I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE, BUT LIKE I THINK HE WAS FIBBING A LITTLE BIT.
I THINK HE WAS PROVIDING CONFIDENCE IN ME WHEN I DIDN'T HAVE MYSELF.
I THINK MY DAD HE'S AN UNDERDOG AND I'M AN UNDERDOG AND I THINK HE LOVES THAT PART.
>> ERIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
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