Now the 490 with Gretchen de Bakker might kill them.

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Matt killam.

It is wellness.

Wednesday, presented by Work Spring.

We're going to have our friend Megan Carcieri joining us on the program, and we're off to start.

The star that's right We're not messing around today.

There's a lot of wellness going to.

Happen this way.

That's right.

We're going to well it up.

That's that's how it's done.

That's right.

We can cut.

That.

Okay.

All right.

But we're also, continuing our preview.

Yes.

Into Restaurant Week, which, kicks off on Monday.

So, we will have, Erin from Erin.

Yep.

And then we're also going t have rich jamboard from Maddie.

And we've art rich has already arrived and has already brought us the elixir of the gods which we're partaking in.

That is, That's an unfair advantag for him to have as a business.

Owner.

Yeah.

And all Megan is to come on is talk about belonging in in health.

What?

She'd have an easier time if she brought coffee everywhere she went.

Well, there you go.

All right.

To lead into our guest.

But also the angel.

Danielle Johnson from Leadership Toled is here to make sure her guests, actually arrived and showed up.

So we thank her for being here.

As well.

She's behind the scenes.

She's the real enforcer.

She is of leadership.

Toledo.

The kind of just the kind of force we need in.

A in a might be the mayor of Restaurant Week, but we kno who the city administrator is.

That's right.

Member cheese.

That's right.

That's right.

Gretchen you were saying you have started a home renovation project.

Some.

Yes, yes, I've been working on moving some rooms around.

I actually bought a new rug for my bedroom.

Talk about interesting.

Six weeks ago, you could not have taken this to a less exciting.

Yes I do I have started to be interested.

Started a home renovation.

Yeah, I bought a new rug.

Yes, six months ago.

Do you know what renovation needs?

I had to hire people to come to my house over the weekend.

To put the rug under the bed, which has been half under the bed for six weeks, but also getting my restroom done.

Bathroom done.

I' getting my second bedroom done.

So I'm very excited.

I do have to start.

You're working on the basement?

Yes.

And that you bought that as a cat sanctuary?

It was.

It was originally a cat graveyard, I think.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh.

That's right.

It needed some work.

Let's just say that.

Yeah, I just, But it's no longer.

What?

What happens in your brain?

Yeah, that that I teed you u for renovation, and you've got.

This, and I'm an honest A basement renovation happening?

Yeah, a bathroom renovatio happening, a bedroom renovation.

Have you decide to lead with the rug?

Yeah, that was the thing that happened the last time.

You.

You're more about chronologica than actually on topic, correct?

Got it.

And it's a really nice.

What if you're right?

It's the one that smells the least like cats.

Oh man.

Oh, boy.

So I'm excited.

We did.

Invite you over after.

Weenie.

We tried for, like, a year.

We tried to get contractors come over and quote on the.

Contractio thing is the most frustrating.

It's just they're so busy.

Right?

And so it's like, we'd have, like, if I could get the time for someone to come and give us a quote.

Yeah.

They never had the time to write the quote.

Yeah.

Or it was just their way of like saying, I' not going to work with this guy because he's a disaster.

Correct.

So we ended up just doing it ourselves.

And legitimately down to the studs.

Yeah.

That's when I came on.

See, I never get to that conclusion.

If they don't come ove or the contractor can't do it, then it's just not going to happen.

I'm never think I would just move.

Let me just figure out.

Right.

Yeah.

If there's another there's enough light bulbs out in my house.

I consider putting a sign in the front yard.

This is what YouTube is for you.

Just YouTube like, know how to renovate kitchen.

And I was thinking about your new towel story.

Oh all weekend also.

And I find oh weekend to be particularly insane.

I still.

It's.

Between thinking about my towels and you getting a new rug.

Yeah, we can't get naked in here fast enough to get the subsiding stuff.

We need to.

Start.

This is called.

Badass.

Yeah, voracious.

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Welcome back into the 419 It's a Wellness Wednesday edition presented by Work Spring.

And of course, we're joined by the Mayor of Work Spring.

That's right.

Megan Carcieri.

Megan.

Hi.

Thanks for being back.

Thank you for having me.

Let's start with the 27 things you like about Toledo.

Let's.

That was that was that a we talk about like wellness and then we throw Gretchen's wacky quiz at you.

Does that did that delete all the wellness tha we had built up throughout that?

It was the nine words that that was my favorite.

What would your suggestion be?

And my favorite.

You mean not that.

That actually.

We're we talk about it.

So what would the suggestion be to that something other than nine words.

What can we do for.

Oh my God, are.

You pleased that we brought you on to have this conversation real time?

This is this, I thought, I'm sorry that we are running our production meeting that.

Production meeting we're.

Actually going to switch.

So it's still going to be asked for rapid fire questions.

Gretchen asks for your favorite thing in or about Toledo.

And then for Matt, you're going to give us nine suggestions other than nine words about Toledo.

I hate.

License.

I yeah, I read nin things to make everyone better.

No, I actually I've taken this a little personally because the thing that people find most objectionable about the show, or all the things is, are all things that I do for.

Was this your idea that.

No, they thrust this upon me.

Oh, yeah.

We're forced to do this.

Yes.

That's right.

What else do people find objectionable about?

Well, I know the list.

I just didn't know if you.

Yeah You wanted to reconcile the two.

All right.

So, Megan Well, attempted get back on the.

Yeah.

Back on the tracks.

Okay.

If if this is the first time people are seeing you on the program, catch us up.

What is work spring?

So work spring is an employers association, and we work with employers on their human resources.

We provide HR solutions, employee training and workplace wellness.

We've got about, 800 members throughout the entire state.

And, we were based in downtown Toledo.

We just moved into the old Jefferson Center, and we mentioned.

That before, but I and I'm obviously familiar with the institution for some time, but 800 member across the state is incredible.

Yes.

That is a quite that is quite a feat.

We are very lucky because, I mean, our members we've been around for 75 years.

Yeah.

So as Gretchen.

Said, Gretchen in your birthday was just saying it was.

Yes.

It's the that I center so I center Edible Arrangement which is that you love someone.

That's true.

Yeah, that is true.

Healthy.

That's a healthy choice.

Is not the one I chose for her.

Yes.

So, I mean, the around the state is the piece that I didn't know.

Right.

And like, I knew you had members in northwest Ohio, but it was I did not realize this is truly a statewide organization.

It really is.

We have members in Cincinnati, Columbus an Cleveland and all points around.

And mostly those folks ar because of our wellness program.

So we provide, workplace wellness.

We do, wellness for Medical Mutual of Ohio.

And we go our, our team is based where our members are.

So we are all around.

I will tell you that, they're certainl not apples to apples comparison, but I work for park system during the day and we represent the county, and there's a vast, there's a there's a difference between people that live across the county so it's spread across the state.

There's quit a bit of difference in these by but there's a lot of similarities too.

And one of them is belonging.

Right.

Our workplace culture and belonging is critical not just for making yourself of the distinction of an employer, but making for healthy employees.

Oh, absolutely.

We talked a little bit.

I know people say belonging now quite a bit and things like tha can become trite very fast, but it is an important aspect of functionality and health.

Can you give u sort of the background blowing?

Sure.

Yeah.

No, it's it's really important.

And you're right.

It can kind of get it's kind of a fluffy term.

What does it mean.

But really it's very, very important to workplace culture and whether or not your team stays in place.

We focus a lot on workplace, wellness and belonging.

And you know what?

We're really excite about what we're doing right now because we do have members across the state.

Typically, you'd have to come to Toledo and take one of our classes.

And so what we heard was we we want to be members and we enjoy membership, but we can't take advantage of that.

So so in just a few weeks, we're launching, our first live virtual classes.

And all of our roundtable are going to be, broadcast live, kind of taking a page from the rotary so that, folks can engage wherever they are.

And that's really importan to meet people where they are.

Yeah.

And so, when you have technology, we'd like to take advantage of that.

So, it is very important to be able to be accessible no matter where we're based.

Yes.

But where our members are based.

When you think about belonging, and again, I appreciate how you articulated that, the just because something or a is a motive or fluff doesn't make it not important.

Now, my mother, who was terrifying, said just because, Homer Simpson said it doesn't make it not true.

So things like this can be, again, made very trivial or, you know, poster material, bu there's a core that is critical.

So what does belonging mean?

So I think it just means, bein a part of something being seen.

That's another kind of phras that you use a lot being seen.

But, you know, it can be something is very, very simple as, you're one on ones when you're meeting with your boss.

And if you're in the position of being a supervisor, you know not just asking questions about how's it going or what's on your schedule for today.

It's more like, you know, what's going well or what are you stuck on or what can I help you with?

Yeah.

Questions that are that are beyond that surface.

Yeah.

You start to build a rapport and you and then, you know, you build that trust.

And when issues arise, you're more likely you're going to hear about it.

Yeah.

Which is important because if you don't have tha open communication in your team, things are not going to things will not really you know, they're not going to gel and things probably get buried that need to be surfaced.

Yeah.

And there is always a testament to practice what you preach.

Right.

So the institutions that can be very busy, promoting a mission, sometimes have trouble bringing the mission back into their own offices.

So to speak.

Oh, yeah.

So how does work spring, in you as a leader?

What is a check in to say?

Why am I prescribing belonging within their own offices?

You'v had quite a bit of transition, which is thrilling for someone who has worked, with the institution for a long time and knows you personally not to overdo this, but you know what a fan of you I am?

What is the check in for yo and making sure that belonging, and culture is something that you also are embodying.

Well, when we had the opportunity to move downtown into this new space, we had originally thought we were going to just do cubicle and kind of the typical office.

We were moving from a location in Miami where everybody had offices.

It's very easy to just close doors.

Yes, and no get up and talk to one another.

But we had this fantastic opportunity to be at the, Jefferson Center, at the Innovation Post, and we intentionally designed it so that we could kind of meet people where they are.

Yeah.

So everybody because we have remote employees and, permanent employees in our office, we created a spot where everybody has a desk.

Everybody has the ability to just kind of plug and play with their laptops.

Everybody has the same equipment.

Before, they didn't have that.

So interesting.

If you were going to come in from Columbus into Toledo.

Best or best drive, our.

Best drive ever.

And then then you would go into an office that didn't really have a set up for you and didn't feel like you belonged in the office.

So now literall everybody knows that they can go wherever they want and work wherever they want.

Within the office, we created a den that's set up kind of like a living room.

So let's say you have kids and kids have a snow day or whatever.

Bring them in, put them in there.

Simon comes in, he watches the Simpsons sometimes.

And, we also have a hotel space where it's like a computer.

Simon is ten.

You're kiddin me.

He's ten.

And Hazel is he.

She is in fourth grade.

Hazel is now seven.

And Laura, they're wonderful.

Yeah, they're great, but, so anyway, we created the space.

And then the other thing we do is, we bring everybody together monthly.

So everybody has to come in, and we do.

I love this, we do a half a day of a professional development or staff development and, Michael, Doctor Michael Brown is helping us with that this year.

Yeah.

So we do we're working on culture.

And then in the afternoon we'll break out in teams or departments or whatever and do the wor that we need to do, in person.

And it' just bringing people together.

What are signs or sorry, signs or symptoms if you're looking at your own company or where you work that people are not connected either to each other or to the work.

Good question.

Yeah.

I think when, folks stop when they're not talking or when you start to hear workarounds, you know, no they're not adapting to policies or technology.

You start to hear kind of, you know, people kind of turn into grumpy.

Gus is a little.

Bit easier with the language.

I know.

I. I know a little more.

Yeah.

Usually we are potty mouth in here.

So I think that you can just tell when, folks are not asking questions.

You're going.

To engage.

They're engaged.

Yeah.

They just, you know, it's the worst when you go into a meeting and you're having a conversation about something and they just look at you.

Yeah.

So, you know, so you got to kind of change the dynamic.

Does that mean they participate.

You have a round robin.

Everybody's got to talk about it.

You give them a heads up on what you're going to be talking about so they can be more engaged.

It's really about communication and transparency.

That's another thing that we at work spring are doing this year.

We hav an action plan that is not it's just a couple of pages long but everybody knows what it is.

Everybody.

And then we're going to we're going to like, talk about it every time we're together.

And everybody has their own part of it.

And because we are a hybrid team and our members are all over the place, we want to make sure tha everybody is on the same page.

There's a there's a balancing act here, though, when you talk abou like some of the like, we talk about what belonging looks like in your office.

Right.

And having the flexibility to come in.

You've got a space that's your to do that you sort of have to I mean, you're essentially taking away what some of the in place in-person, regular employees have.

And if we're creating that flexibility, having a workspace where you can bring your kids or you can bring your dog, right?

There's there's pros and cons to all of this, and not everybody works as well in the same environment.

Yeah.

So how do you how do yo what are you guys doing at work.

Spring.

What do you recommend t other employers to really keep you know, a thumb on is this working?

So before we set up our new office we did, like, an internal poll, and we gave them a lot of questions about what they liked and what they didn't.

What kind of working environment worked well?

Are they comfortable?

In an open environment?

What was natural light?

Important.

And again, not every employer even has the opportunity that we have, right?

Sure.

So we have a lot of manufacturers, who are our members, and they don't necessarily get to have those choices that we have.

So you can do other little other things.

But what we did internally was we set up a discussion point and then we looked at that data.

We shared that data with our team and with our board, and we did our bes to try to achieve the top ones.

Now, not everybody likes working in an open environment and it's hard.

It's there's a. Change.

I wish we had cubicle this desk.

That was tight.

There would be a tiny cubicle.

You could do a little.

That's just some.

That's looking for the separation.

Yeah, I get it, I get it.

But, you know, when we first got in, I said, we have to give this at least 30 days.

You got to get in.

It's like moving in a new house.

You don't know where everything's going to go.

And where it is right now may not be where it ends up.

So just give it a chance.

Like just let it run.

So we did that.

We still had to make some adjustments.

And we made sur we kept our hybrid environment.

So we have an office optional schedule where folks want to come in.

They can a couple days a week, or they can work from home or remote.

And we made sure that thei remote, station also is set up.

So because we have a team who, who they work in their homes, we wanted to make sure that they have the equipment.

And that's very important that as an employer, if you're expecting your team to perform at a level, you got to give them the things that they need to perform.

And we also utilize, we're in a teams environment.

So we use that and we're connected through like teams chat and SharePoint and just trying to, to d those different types of things.

So let's go ahead.

From a employees perspective, I ask the question about how you can tell if you're not connecte or don't belong as an employer and looking at your employees.

But what is something an employee would feel that says to them, maybe I need to figure this out, or maybe I don't like working here.

Maybe I need to get more engage.

Maybe I'm not taking advantage.

What what can they do to sort of assess what they're feeling abou their job and their workplace?

I would I would say take a look at Sunday Scaries, you know, how are you feeling the night before you have to go in.

How do you fee when you first walk in the door?

Do you feel like this i a good environment and are you at your best here, you know, or do you have opportunities?

But also, I am a person wh believes in positive thinking.

And, if you come into.

Work.

Really nice, it's it's really nice.

God, you're the best.

Yeah.

That is absolutely earnest reaction.

It's it's nice.

Nice, nice.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I would literally buy anything from you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know if you're familiar with the dawn of the apocalypse, but no, it's nice, it's nice.

There are some positive.

Oh, yeah.

Be warm.

It's it's going to be brief.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I had heard a study years ago that, And I'm, it was a. Work trying to filibuster the last minute, you know.

Workplace wanting to improve workplace culture.

Wanted people to be happier.

And they found that when a boss just asks.

Yes.

Are you having a good day?

Yeah.

Just merely introducing the idea of today was a good day.

Yeah.

Made everybody leav feel like they had a better day.

It is so funny because I think a great deal of my boss and like him, if my boss asked me if I was having a good day, I would assume that he ha a cancer diagnosis or something.

I mean, and that we we have a good relationship.

Yeah, or I was good at it, but, yeah, but I have a we don't have a lot of time left in this segment, so this might be an unfair question, but speaking of the the dawn of the apocalypse.

Yeah.

I, in that particular spot because it's a giant question with few minutes remaining.

But, there is a personal and professional part of all successful careers and office spaces, right?

They're human beings that interact with things.

I, what is that?

How is work spring thinkin about this or educating people?

We think about AI literally every single day.

This is such a huge thing.

Is that wha the robot told you to say?

Yes.

Yeah.

Right.

I think it's an incredible tool that we need to, that we need to embrace.

Yeah.

Because it's here.

Yep.

And, but I don't thin that human beings are going away because, you know, it's it's it just it's a help.

Yeah.

And I actually, I think that work spring is going to spend some significant time working on AI and how we can work on it for our members, how we could help our members use it and talk about it and and there are definitely challenges and people don't, you know, are not necessarily comfortable yet.

Right.

But part of what we do is we do training.

And so we're goin to talk about it and talk about, yes ma'am.

Yeah.

That's really well I know that seems like a simple hack, but it isn't.

We're going to talk about it is the way to handle most things with serverless.

That's right.

Absolutely.

Thank you Megan Carcieri president and CEO of Work Spring, thank you so much for joining us.

Thank you guys.

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I think I got that right close enough.

All right.

That' actually the theme of this year.

I own Starbucks.

I figured, yeah, yeah.

Rich Stambaugh, rich, thanks so much for being with us.

Thank you for having me.

You we we talked about it kind of early on.

You kind of cheated, today that you brought coffee and sweets.

Is that.

Do you find that's the way to get into every room?

Yeah.

Typically you come in, you know.

Right.

Works every time.

Yeah.

The the way to your heart.

Right through the, through the mouth.

So tell us what we what we're sampling and we and we have Megan Kesari with stayed with us because she wants to sample as well.

I'm glad because I pe usual broad way too much.

Yes.

And I'm not taking anything back.

So this is our.

This is our coffee.

Make our coffee cake.

We make all our baked goods from scratch.

You're kidding me.

I'm not.

I'm not.

Yeah.

Everything is made from scratch here.

About all our.

Sirups and everything and all that stuff.

So, yeah, this is this is ou coffee cake.

Obviously brought, some of our our house blend.

This is Uptow Blend from the Perrysburg shop.

Okay.

The house ones are actually different.

Shop the shop.

Oh, good.

It's the perfect amount.

I mean, balance between the cinnamon streusel stuff in the cake.

It's very.

Gretchen obviously has no taste, so I just me.

Thank you.

Yeah.

I don't know if it fits the wellness theme.

Yeah.

Per se.

We don't care about that.

That's why it makes us happy.

Mental wellness?

Maybe not when you're.

Opening up the shop.

What is the linchpin for opening up that successful coffee shop?

What is the what is the critical decision to base your brand off of?

Yeah, that's a deep question.

Right off the bat.

There's a pronounced jamboard.

Jamboard.

You know, and it actually used to be on board with a Y. Yeah.

Back in the day.

Sure.

But it is.

Jambo.

So you got it, right?

Yeah.

But no, I mean, like, anything it's just it have good product, you know, it's quality, you know, I mean, people will come for quality products, whether it's coffee or coffee cake.

Or and, you know, there's a roaster.

Yeah.

We were just so in 2012, we just started roasting.

We wholesale to other coffee shops, grocer stores, local markets, farmers.

But you know, we starte for Perrysburg Farmer's Market.

I didn't know what like everybody is.

Where did this idea come from?

Why did you get into this business?

It was actually a hobby of my dad's, just coffee roasting.

He just roasted a little tiny quarter pound at a time.

What did.

Your dad do.

Then?

He was in the automotive industry for years.

I mean, and he was Getting coffee with this side.

It just became.

Yeah it kind of tasted some at work that some other guy did, and he was like, oh, I bet I could roast coffee.

Interesting.

And we started doing it.

And then friends and family just started demanding more and more.

Sounds like friends and family.

Yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

Where your dad and you always close?

Yeah.

I mean, it is for sure.

For sure.

And I don't even.

You know, I don't get into th roasting side of things as much.

I mean, I can I can handle it and I can do it if need be, but like, that's kind of is he still does it.

He still rails to all the coffee and everything.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So you're in the retail space like in grocery stores and stuff with the beans.

Yeah, yeah.

At that time and then we had no plans to open u coffee shops or retail spaces.

It was just kind of like, that's.

Exactly our plan for this show.

Yeah, let's just do that.

And all of a sudden two spots became a there.

Both were previous coffee shops.

Okay.

So I don't know if you guys remember downtown latte back in the day.

And so they were looking to move on and it was clearly an awesome space.

I'm a little biased.

I think it's the best block o downtown Toledo but isn't sure.

Yeah.

And so we wanted to with big shoes to fill because they kind of kickstarted the that block revitalization in everything way back in the day.

And so we like most, if we're either going to open zero shops or let's just open two at the same time, it's a. Great thing if we're going to do it right, let's have twins.

Yeah, exactly.

My wife was pregnant at the time.

We had nothing going on.

You know, let's just open two coffee shops in Maine.

And so here we are.

What?

Let's let's back up.

You're from the area.

I am right there.

Talk to me about kind of where you grew up and.

Yep, I grew up here.

You know, we bounced around a little when I was young, but then I ever since junior high grew once.

Perrysburg.

So I grew up here hanging out in Toledo and coming downtown, and I always loved it.

And so we it was a natura fit to move our shop down there.

And then we have one downtown Perrysburg as well.

What is the thing that people don't realize that business owners, small business owners have to deal with on a daily basis?

It's a dumb questions.

Every it's different every day.

The fact that like people are like, oh what's your day like who knows.

We'll see.

Yeah.

See you tomorrow.

You know.

That's also the best part.

Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Yeah, I joke because I'm like, you know, if I'm in the shop, like later in the day, something's probably broken.

Yeah.

So do you make stuff on sit or do you do the coffee roasting and baking someplace and deliver them to the two retail locations?

So I personally do neither.

But, we know we bake everything in the shop and all that.

So we have, after we close, you know, we have our baking team that comes in at night.

My mom makes a lot of the smoke scratch.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Come on.

Our other head baker, Sarah, has been with us since she was employee number one that we hired.

And she's been with us ever since.

And she makes the bread and the muffins.

We were we were talkin with vegan about, from from work spring about culture and belonging.

You know, I mean, you've got two different workplaces.

Is it the same formula for for both of kind of maintaining that culture or how do you how do you build that to have an employee that's been with you for ten years in this kind of an industry?

It's rare.

Yeah.

You're right.

Right.

That's a great question.

Yeah.

You know, you can't you try and you build a brand and you try and come up with the best work environment you possibly can.

But I mean, it's eventually it's the employees that create the culture, you know, and it's a coffee shop.

It's a community facing business.

People come to connect, people come to hang out.

I mean, they know our team and our, you know, our regulars know the girls in the shop more than they know the brand necessarily.

But I've long, like I've long said, like the, the the similarities between KFC and Maddie an Bella from a business structure, from an employment structur like they could be so similar.

But you walk into Maddie and Bella, you walk into, you know, a Starbucks, or you walk into a KFC and you have very different experiences.

Sure.

What what is when you're interviewing somebody, what's that thing you're looking for to say?

This person' going to fit into this culture.

It actually, it has nothing to do with coffee.

First off, I mean, we, you know, our our application and everything is like, hey, do you love coffee?

It's okay if you have coffee.

We don't care if you have coffee experience or anything to it.

So it just comes down to you.

Get a feel for them.

You talk to them and you're like, this person would fit.

It's people we want to hang out with.

You know.

The nam Maddie and Bella come from that.

So a lot of people think because everybody in the shop is like, oh, are you Maddie?

Are you Bella?

Like?

So Maddi and Bella were our family dogs.

So when the coffee roasting was still like a hobby, I had an a piece of art commissioned by a local artist of the dogs, and it just said Maddie and Bella's coffee roasting, just hanging hung in the kitchen.

There's a there's a replica of it in our downtown shop.

So if you walk in, look to the right.

Yeah, it's they're Australian shepherds.

And it was jus kind of a fun family day, like.

Like the Hemsworth's the one the Hemsworth.

The brothers like.

Like the dreamer.

And, Yeah.

I talk about that particularly, Okay.

What's the what you find.

In the downtown shop especially you have sourced a lot of, other local suppliers that you use to sort of round out the menu.

You have a local locally supplied retail space.

And also the things, the beverages and things with Boogie Mama and some juices and other things.

Why is that important to you?

Oh, patron saints, root beer.

Yeah.

We I don't know.

Absolutely.

Yeah, absolutely.

That was awesome.

And bring that.

Back.

Hoochie mama is, locally owne and an exceptional woman.

Right.

So company too.

Yeah, yeah.

So this is great.

You know, it's easy.

These people that, you know, have these local businesses and products, they make it really easy to bring them in.

You know, it's kind of a no brainer.

I put you on the spot here.

If the hemsworths had a local product, would you have it in this I would consider.

Yeah.

Me too.

Yeah.

They are dream boats here.

So you know, speaking of them, the way they get up there comes up a lot.

We have it and it does.

Thank you.

If it's.

Can you be on every day.

We have a question on our application.

Yeah.

Actually that's a good question I'd like to ask you.

Okay.

It's our show.

Yeah.

I have some thoughts on the one on the nine thing.

Two that I heard.

You talk about a reapplyin for a job at Maddie and Bailey.

If you were.

And you were, just fill out your application.

Do it.

One of the questions says, what is your favorite coffee moment from TV or movies?

Interesting.

I'm glad it i timely that you brought this up, because I was just lamenting to Gretchen, that she was on the show, and on top of that, it I was made aware of the fac that most coffee in particular, scenes in TV shows or movies or pantomime, there's not actually coffee or liquid in it.

And now I can't get that out of my head.

I'm writing a little.

There is in these.

I'm not just a real.

Yeah.

Now, so that I've no become very critical of people's acting in that way, which is not something that I am critical of anything, but for sure.

So my favorite coffee moment, can you guys have an answer?

While I think about this.

For me, I just, I, I naturally go to Central Perk and friend and like, so many different moments of a really like if I think about like this the singular moment, it's Rachel screwing up somebody's.

Order.

Yeah.

If this were Family Feud, that would probably be the number two.

Yeah.

I thought number.

Two would be number one.

I was incorrect, which, I mean I have the death of ten years.

What is it?

What?

Oh, yeah.

It's, It's Gilmore Girls, is number one, which I never actually have seen.

But then she friend is pretty much right after that.

Yeah.

Pulp fiction is a big one.

See, I think that's.

I think that's demographic, right.

I think that's you thin about the demographics of who's.

Working who's applying to coffee.

Yeah.

That's why Gilmore Girl number one, if we were applying.

I've got an obscure one that is my fanboy.

Is from the West.

It's from the, you know, it it doesn't even do it for.

But God, I wish it did.

It is a West Wing episode where Josh, who is the deputy chief o staff, has had an all nighter, which is a rarity, and he comes back in and Donna, his beloved assistant, happens upon him, passed out on the floor, and she gives him coffee and he puts in his mouth and he's hung over the coffee just runs out of his mouth.

Jesus, Josh, instead of doing the coffees and she's like I don't know, a couple days ago, but that the all of that physical reaction, is perfect for handling beverages that are just not.

And also being that so that that's my rest.

Well, the.

Thor one is like he pounds a cup of coffee and then like, smashes the mug on the ground and says, I'll have another.

Right now you frown on that in the stores, right?

Yeah, yeah.

At the Harrodsburg.

Shortly.

I expected that.

Yeah.

How much coffe do you drink on a daily basis?

I have about one cup every match.

That's it?

Yeah, yeah, I do, even though it's free.

You.

Yeah, I know, I don't know, but I get to lunchtime and then I'm like I don't need anymore, I don't.

If you ever seen new Jack city, but you pick it high in your own supply, that's not a good idea.

So you guys are participating in restaurant Week?

Yes.

We are.

What?

What is happening?

At Matty Bella for restaurant week.

Restaurant week is is.

It's a fun week for us every year.

You know, we love participating in it.

We have a restaurant week menu here.

Actually, we kind of like to focus, honestly.

We focus on the product and everything.

Sure.

But we like to kind of have fun with the themes and come up with a different theme.

This year we have a we have a video game Mario theme.

Yes, a little bit to it.

So, yeah.

Well, I don't want to, should we do that?

We going to roll through this quickly?

But we can't get you off fast enough.

It's no time for Gretchen's wacky quiz.

All right, I'm going to ask.

We'r going to ask you for questions.

Then Gretchen is going to ask you one thing about the leader of the region that is your favorite.

And then I'm going to walk yo through nine words to describe Twitter of the region.

Here we go.

Question number one.

Where will you be in three years?

Well, if you invite me back, I would come to and be on the show again.

Maybe a second answer then that is over here.

Let's pull this up to you.

Wants u here?

I'd love you to be here.

Tomorrow, I love it.

Have you ever performed on stage?

Yeah, I have.

Exciting answer.

Yeah.

You know, probably.

So I'm not.

I'm not the drama one in that.

But both my sisters wer in all the plays and everything, and I think early on I was in choir and, you know, did some stuff.

My sister for a while.

My sisters are high drama.

Richard said, here first.

What's the cringiest thing you did as a teenager?

Oh man.

Remember, there's FCC regulations.

Yeah, I know the cringiest thing.

Maybe we did some stupid stuff.

I'm very glad that, you know, cell phones and cameras and.

Yeah, all.

That didn't exist.

I'll take that.

Oh, great.

Yeah, I. Yeah.

What's your favorite dessert?

Ooh.

Good one.

That is good.

So classic brownies are my favorite.

Yeah.

And just a just a classic brownie, I think is the best dessert.

That is interesting.

Yeah, right.

It's hard to get a really good classic brownie.

Anyway, what is your number one most favorit or what you would consider to be the best thing about Toledo or the region?

I thin the best thing about Toledo is, is honestly the size and accessibility of it.

You know, it's a it's a perfect sized city that's like big enough that it to feel like a big city, but also small enough that like, if I needed to go knock on the mayor's office and have a meeting, I probably could.

Or if I could, if I just throw my hazard on somewhere downtown, nobody's going to take my car.

That's true.

You know, I've seen my car for a month, and.

But it's, yo know, that's my favorite thing.

It's just like, I think it's the perfect Goldilock size of a city.

Okay.

All right.

Nine words that describe the city and region.

You already said access.

So I'm going to take that.

Yeah.

You can you can use that.

Starting off strong.

Toledo is vibrant.

Vibrant.

Love it.

Toledo is welcoming.

Welcoming, loving.

Toledo is resilient.

Resilient good.

Diverse.

Diverse.

Underrated.

Underrated.

Affordable.

Affordable.

Ambitious.

Ambitious.

Industrious.

How many you've got?

Nine.

But do you have.

Another one that, Strong?

No, but here's what I think you should do with this word thing.

Yes.

I want to know.

I think you should just.

The answer is sitting right in front of you.

Just flip.

Flop them.

I think you should have one word.

And then nine thing that you love to do in Toledo.

Know things you love to do.

You know, I like, you know.

Whether it's restaurants or whether it's the metro parks or whether it's, you know.

What's the lesson?

You said Metro parks.

That sounds right.

But might take you up on that idea and have to call it Rich's wacky careers.

Yeah.

I can't wait to go t one of your coffee shops today and give you a bunch of notes.

To sum up here, do.

I want to make sure we know what Gretchen's doing?

She likes the idea, but more than that, she doesn't like that.

We call it Gretchen's wacky.

Yeah, yeah.

That's good.

Well, the quiz part.

Is that's still like yours.

Restaurant week kicks off on Monday.

Stop by.

Maddie and Bell get fueled up in the mornings.

In the afternoons, downtown Perrysburg, downtown Toledo.

People want more information on Maddie and Bella.

Where can they find it?

Maddie Miller, dot com or Instagram, Facebook, all those things.

Or on the Hemsworth's IMDb.

Yeah, yeah.

Rich Jamboard, owner of Maddie and Bella.

Thank you so much.

When we come back, we will b joined by Erin Stanfill Meyer.

Let's try and get that right.

We'll see what happens, from Erin.

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Welcome back into the 419, a Wellness Wednesday edition of the 419 and our preview of Restaurant Week, which starts on Monday.

I'm beginning to realize why Gretchen wanted to do.

We've made a grave mistake.

No no, no, no.

Is not doing this for the last 45 days.

Yeah.

So now on a restaurant a day.

Yeah.

We are joined now by Aaron Stanfill Meyer from Aaron Anne's.

And you brought so much deliciousness that Gretchen didn't even wait for this segment to start eating.

Would you already?

Yeah.

As well.

What is Erin.

And so we I'll give a little tiny preview.

We really opened as an ice cream shop and cold pressed juice, smoothies, smoothie bowls.

We are fully gluten free, so we really focus on kind of reinventing the way you treat yourself is our tagline that we all live with.

So we are located in downtown Sylvania, on Main Street, and we really just strive to use real ingredients in all our food.

Everything you have in front of you is housemade, right down to the ice cream.

The bread itself on your panini is all housemade.

So we do that s we can control the ingredients and what's going into the food.

And, our menu is a pretty simple menu.

Honestly, a lot of it's probably comfort foo or things you can make at home.

I always say like it's not rocket science, but it's the convenience.

People are busy with kids running here and there and everywhere.

Well, that's the only thing we're going to disagree.

Not that one thing about.

There's something I can do at home.

Well, right.

But this is.

If you took time to learn.

I bet you thought that.

Maybe not.

Okay, that is a time.

Well, that's why we're here.

That's why we're here.

That's right.

You know, I'm a mom with four kids.

I need convenience in my life but I didn't want to sacrifice the quality of the foo I was feeding my kids, either.

Did you have a particular interest in not.

Or someone in your famil that had a gluten sensitivity?

Multiple people.

My mom is very sensitive to a lot of things.

I was intolerant of dairy as a baby.

My kids all were or are.

It was really hard to take a small child to an ice cream shop, and your only dairy free option was neon blue.

So, like, we just strived.

I grew up in Sylvania.

Our hearts are in Sylvania.

We didn't have an ice cream shop since the late 90s, so we, we already are small business owners in downtown Sylvania.

So our heart was really in when that was the right.

Side of the business.

Sylvan Studio, it's these awards plaques, ribbons, custom engraving all.

Over the studio has been.

I've.

We worked at Botanical Garden.

I look at help execut the Crosby Festival of the Arts.

Okay.

Seven studio has been part of the main frame of tha being executed for a long time.

What a great.

And so my aunt and uncle used to own it.

And then my parents took over and consequently my husband and I. So with these kids, that' a real that's a real staple too.

I did not make that connection.

But what a great we're right.

So we're right.

Next sort of self.

And so my husband literally, quite literally runs back and forth in the back door all day.

Shout out to Sylvan Studio.

My, wife had an award.

Something changed on it.

Yeah, yeah.

Had to send it back to to be adjusted.

Yeah, she gave it to me and she was like, hey, you're going to be in Sylvania.

Take this to Sylvan Studio.

She gave it to me on Sunday to return on Monday.

You forgot.

Did not take it on Monday.

Did I take it on Tuesday?

You know, my life works.

Finally on Thursday, I return it and I walk in and they were like, Where the hell have you.

Been?

What?

Yeah.

What?

What is this?

And I said, so this is the award that I returned to you on Monday.

And if anyone asks this has been here since Monday.

That's right.

And the guy, by anyone looks like this guy.

Yeah, because I got you.

It was my husband.

I was here because, well, I I know that we hear about your.

And so this will be the last thing to say, but money is a wonderful place.

Thank you so.

Much.

It's everyone in the.

Family you know, they're both family.

The ice creams and the bread and the salads and the soup.

Were you making this stuff at home and then transitioned it into a restaurant.

Or some of it?

Okay, so we, decide we needed to open an ice cream shop in downtown Sylvania because we didn't have one and we fel the community really needed it.

So I learned how to make ice cream.

I have a marketing degree.

This was not my life plan, necessarily, but here we are, and I wouldn't change it.

So really, we just strove to, like my kids were going to be there pretty much every day.

We homeschool.

So that was like, this is life.

This is how we do it.

Which one of your kids is the best worker?

Okay.

Which when your kids is the.

Worst, you know it.

Honestly, I have a 12 year old boy.

If you ask him to do something, he will do it.

He can wipe tables do the dishes, all those things.

My nine year old is very much like the oldest girl.

And she is going to tell you that.

Yeah.

I've done.

Yes.

So.

Yeah.

They're.

Really starting to.

Shine too.

Yeah, absolutely.

But when they're there, they.

If they need to help out, they will, especially when we opened.

We'r in a pretty good spot right now.

I have an incredible team that works with us and we do.

So we've been open three years in November so just over three years.

So we're new.

We're babies.

But I'll tell you wha I think.

Restaurant three 3 to.

5 of anybody.

That's exactl we're not in relationship.

But yeah, not new business owners but new to the restaurant industry.

Absolutely.

And this is just kind of born out of love.

I mean, I scrape faster off the brick walls in the building, right?

What are we doing?

Okay.

Yeah.

What are you.

So we, I really brought a sampling of our restaurant Week menu, which is what we're here to talk about.

The chicken panini.

So we introduced paninis a few weeks ago to our menu.

So this is a spi on our classic line of panini.

So you've got a chicken panini?

It's got some sharp cheddar, Dijon mustard.

It's got an apple green apple slaw.

And then if I. Can stop you just for a second, you can tell, every layer of this, is done to like, real detailed the bread.

This is.

Delicious.

So we house make bread.

You're eating gluten free bread right now?

I don't know if you're right.

Yeah, I don't know.

Do you guys have dietary restrictions?

But that is really like it's come a long way.

Like it tastes to be like.

Oh.

Got a question.

Have you ever thought about opening, a contrarian restaurant that was only gluten?

Like 100% gluten?

Oh, no, that would be like, would be the fun.

We just had no cross-contamination.

They were just separate buildings.

We're right across the street.

Yeah.

I remember having a conversation with a with a bakery that is.

Yeah.

You know, ingredients are all, clean, right?

Gluten free, dye free, all these things.

And the whole concept was that you don't have to ask what your allergies are, that everybody gets to go int the restaurant and eat the same.

Yeah.

I mean, we just strive to be very transparent in our ingredients.

There's ingredient labels on everything, right down to our ice crea in the case, in that it's hard when you go out with a group of people and you don't want to be that one that has to ask 99 questions.

So, we just have create the safe space that it's normal to do that.

And, I mean, we've had people cry over waffle cones.

I never would have thought that.

But full grown adults that hav eaten gluten their whole life.

And then two years ago, they were diagnosed with celiac and they're like, lost.

Yeah.

Or the mom with a small child that comes in is like, my kid can't have all these things.

I don't know what to do.

So really, that's my youngest.

I mean, you actually reference exactly this.

My youngest, had a real dairy, issue, and she could only eat the neon blue.

Yeah.

Wherever we went, that was that was that.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, so for kids to walk in and see this case with a dozen flavors and they can pick any.

It's literall like 90 is absolutely delicious.

Ingredients are very thank you.

Very fresh.

Very well done a good combination then in front of us here we also have four little delightful cup of ice cream with also equally delightful purple spoons.

But this is what you're describing as an.

Ice cream slight.

So this is a sampler of four flavors.

So you can always I'm going to read some for you guys.

In our shop you get three scoops in every size.

So a small is three scoops.

So you can still pick three flavors in one cup.

But this is a sampler.

It's a nice way to try some of our flavors.

I've brought This is chocolate cookie cake.

You've got mint cookie dreams.

Leprechaun tracks is all the green one because we're verging on tha March Saint Patrick's situation.

So that's like peanut butter cups in green ice cream and then the last one there is called pot of gold.

It's a green apple and pineapple that we do such a good.

So we do a lot of seasonal.

We do local as much as possible.

I source as many of our apples from Johnston's orchard in the cool season and everything like that.

So, we just try to stay very community focused.

I mean, that we also have a lot.

This is the backbone of it.

You also brought us and I'm not a I'm not a caffeine drinker, so I'm staying away from me.

Yeah I forgot I forgot.

Oh yeah.

But the vanilla ice cream.

Yeah.

That's just a basic vanilla ice cream.

Super simple.

We use high fat coconut milk.

There's no fillers whatsoever.

And it's literally coconut milk.

Good.

A little bit of starch to thicken it because a lot of people have corn allergies.

So when you have dairy free ice cream, it's full of corn starch to thicken it.

And so interesting use starch a little bit of salt.

It's sweetened with honey.

So we don't even us artificial sugars or sweeteners.

You would never know dye.

In any of that.

That's green spirulina to make your ice cream green.

It's possible.

It just takes a. Little bit of time.

I will tell you that you usually whenever in my experience, and maybe it's gotten more sophisticated, but whenever you taste something that is.

Like a specialty thing.

Yeah, you can taste the fact that if it feels off or different or the.

Texture is a lot of texture is so hard to get.

And that's like, you, I just.

I don't feel.

Sick ingredients in this ice cream.

Okay.

That is so.

Good.

It's mint extract.

I mean it's pure extract.

So a lot of times too, I tell people you can make ice cream at home.

That's very simple ingredients.

I'm not going to lie.

The commercial ingredients is commercial equipment is what helps that consistency stay where as we invest in upfront and good equipment, that would get that because we knew doing dairy free ice cream was dangerous because that consistency can be off.

And then you've got like a grainy ice cream and it's not it doesn't.

I'll tell you what we still have in studios today and make yourself your own trophy or ribbon awarded to yourself, because this is fantastic.

I know.

And the station.

Ribbons.

Gretchen has a whole closet of like.

I will tell you, though, that I can't ever say enough.

There is absolutely no wa of knowing that this isn't what.

That.

We have.

That's true.

I would compare it more like to a gelato, because it's not like high fat and so true.

Ice cream coats your tongue with that fat and you're not even getting the flavors.

So this you're tasting the flavors.

We are also you also brought a little, salad sample, which I'm assuming is your restaurant week menu.

And it salad.

Arugula and roasted beet salad.

They make the dressing salad.

Who will actually I know we have a little bit of yeah.

You got it's all about balance.

You got a balance here.

Yeah.

You know it's still healthy.

It's still.

Clean ingredients.

Why did you bring this upon yourself.

You've got 15 kids that you're educating.

Oh yeah.

Like sleep apparently.

You know we don't I, we have been business owners for so long, I don't you know, you look at it, I don't know what else we would do.

We can't imagine going to of America.

We felt like we needed to meet this need in our community.

Downtown Sylvania is small but mighty.

I mean, there is a few inside.

The five is opened up.

Has been a staple for.

A millennia.

Plus more than my entire life.

It's where our heart is at.

And so.

How did you two.

Meet?

Scott and I met in college at UT.

Yeah.

Okay.

So, Sylvan Studio was in my family, and poor guy got broken into.

Yeah And I've.

Got a web background.

You know what I mean?

Like you talk about this restaurant.

Yes, yes, yes it is.

It's a business to dive into something like.

Yes.

I mean, so this you don't you're you're not in a stage yet where you can care about other people.

Right?

You need to be selfish.

Yeah.

At the start.

Straight from Kevin's mouth.

But but why?

Why have you chosen to support leadership Toledo and the restaurant.

First year participant?

Yes, we are a first year participant.

I have a two year old so last year was a little iffy.

The year before, you know, they just time in disarray.

His birthday's March 5th, s it falls during Restaurant Week.

So I didn't.

Want to risk a celebration.

I know as he gets older, we forget, you know this is still going.

It'll be.

For him.

But, so we decided to participate.

We just believe it's importan to give back in our community.

I feel like, you know, leadership Toledo does an incredible job of marketing the restaurants, too.

So, like, it's really a win win.

It really is a win win.

We're newer, so it does hel get our name in front of people.

I can't talk, I mean, there's people that live right in downtown that still walk in our door and say, how long have you been here?

Where did you come from?

And, you know.

Tell me a little bit about downtown Sylvania.

It seems to be a real nice community.

They do the Red bird, art district shows.

There's all kinds of special events.

They shut down the stree a couple times during the year.

We just did a almost yearlong construction project on the streets and stuff, but it's gorgeous.

So downtown something it's it is quiet, but it does have a lot of I mean, there are changes.

It's been there over 50 years.

A lot of families that have really just poured into the community and that's where their heart is.

And I feel like you can feel that when you come there.

It's a small town.

Even when we redid the building, we were trying to keep in mind, like the old feel of.

Right, very industrial, you know, very down to the bones.

Just preserving that.

There are a small group of people that do really care about the city and community and preserving it, right down to our we have our own historical village, which a lot of communities don't have.

We have the Lazar house, and we do have a lot of these things that I think people have realized we need to care about.

Channing Park, small parks and things like that.

There's been some projects and stuff like that.

Construction always shakes things up a little bit, but it's really it's gorgeous.

It's they did a good job with it.

Oh, it's very handicapped accessible.

You don't trip over the bricks on the sidewalk and that kind of stuff anymore.

So, it's a wonderful small community.

There's a lot of we're trying to create some more outdoor spaces and stuff like that, too.

Haroon Park is right down the street.

I would just park to walk along the river and everything like that.

My kids get in the river and play.

You know, it really is that small town feel that.

I think a lot of families, especially really do.

See.

Yes, we're talking to Aaron Stanfill Myer, the owner of Aaron Anne's.

And as we're learning, also owner of award winning because they can make i themselves and Sylvan Studios.

All right, Aaron, it's time for, Oh, Gretchen's wacky quiz.

I'm just mad for, It's just all folks.

Keep.

Eating on the ice.

All right, rapid fire.

Here we go.

All right, what's the song that makes you feel like dancing?

Oh, my gosh.

What, you get the feeling from the trolls or.

I have kids.

Yeah.

It's funny, I know, I. Yeah.

What's been the best purchase of your life?

Oh, gosh.

Best purchase of our lives.

We built a pool.

Is that count?

Yeah, absolutely.

We'll take it for our.

Family memories, for me.

If you could change one thing about the world, what would you change?

Oh, gosh.

Morgan.

Morgan.

Oh, gluten.

One thin I would change about the world.

These are har questions.

This is, like, deep, I thin a safe space for our children.

Just like that.

Great answer.

That is.

Ultimate.

If you started a club or a group, what would it be about?

Healthy eating, healthy eating.

What's your number one most favorite or what you consider to be the best thing about the city or the region?

This might not be the right answer, but I feel like it's home.

Like this is just where our heart is and grabs.

Great.

All right.

Rapid fire.

We've got like 30s.

Okay.

All right, here we go.

Let's do it together.

All right.

Nine words about Toledo community.

Community.

Outdoor spaces, outdoor spaces.

We're taking four seasons for seasons.

That's one thing that keeps us here.

It's so crazy.

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Four seasons.

Community.

I think leadership, leadership.

There's a lot of leaders in the city.

Opportunity.

Opportunity.

Thank you.

Youth.

I think our youth is we employ a lot of, last well, even the last, last one, restaurant week.

Restaurant week All right.

Good job.

Nailed it.

Nice to meet you.

Thank you so much for being here.

Congratulations on your business.

You think this this samplin of food is absolutely beautiful.

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