>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE ANDREW YANG TALKS ABOUT HIS PLANS TO SHAKE UP THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM AND LATER IN THE HOUR ON CRONKITE NEWS, VALLEY HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS TRAVEL TO WASHINGTON TO SAVE SAY CREDIT APACHE LAND.

ARIZONA TODAY EXECUTED A 76-YEAR-OLD MAN CONVICTED OF TAKING PART IN A DOUBLE MURDER IN 1980.

MURRAY HOOPER WAS EXECUTED AT 10:34 BY LETHAL INJECTION AND THE U.S. SUPREME COURT DENIED HOOPER'S REQUEST FOR A STAY OF EXECUTION AND HE'S THE THIRD MAN TO BE EXECUTED THIS YEAR AFTER THE STATE RESUMED EXECUTIONS THIS SPRING.

>>> ELECTION ULTIMATE, THE ULTIMATE, THE RACE FOR KRIS MAYES AND ABE HAMADEH, MAYES HAS A 132 LEAD.

>>> ARIZONA REPORTED MORE THAN 10,700 NEW CASES OF COVID-19 THIS WEEK AND IF THAT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT, IT IS.

THE HIGHEST REPORT SINCE AUGUST AND THERE WERE 34 COVID-RELATED DEATHS AND COMPARES WITH 40 FATALITIES IN THE PREVIOUS WEEK.

THEY URGE UPDATED BOOSTER SHOTS FROM THE OMICRON VARIENT AND THE GROWING SUBVARIENTS AND THOSE WHO TAKE PAXLOVID MAY GET IT AGAIN.

IT'S TWO ANTIVIRUS MES ME MEDICINES AND THOSE WHO TOOK IT, TESTED POSITIVE AGAIN.

THE DATA SUGGESTS THAT COVID-19 REBOUND IS MORE COMMON THAN PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT.

ONE MORE HEALTH NOTE, RSV CASES IN ARIZONA ARE ON THE RISE.

SO MUCH SO, THE TUCSON ARIZONA CENTER, OPENED UP TWO CLINIC AND DOCTORS SAY IT'S AFFECTING BABIES AND CHILDREN UP TO FOUR YEARS OF AGE AND ONE DOCTOR SAYS THAT THE COVID PANDEMIC IS PARTIALLY TO BLAME.

>> THEY'VE NOT BEEN EXPOSED TO VIRUSES AND DON'T HAVE THEIR INNATE ANTIBODY PROTECTION.

HERE WE HAVE TODAY, THE MASKS ARE OFF EXPECT AND THE KIDS ARE IN SCHOOL AND THE VIRUSES ARE HAVING A HAY DAY.

>> Ted: THE TUCSON MEDICAL CENTER SAW A 200% SPIKE IN CASES AND THE EMERGENCY ROOM IS PACKED WITH PATIENTS.

>>> AN DREWANDREW YANG IS A ENTREPRENEUR AND A FORMER CANDIDATE AND A GOAL OF SHAKING UP THE TWO-PARTY SYSTEM AND JOINING US NOW IS ANDREW YANG AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Ted: WHAT IS THIS?

>> IT RESTORES THE CONNECTION BETWEEN US AND OUR COMMUNITIES AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT US.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, HALF OF AMERICANS SAY THEY'RE INDEPENDENTS AND 62% WANT A NEW PARTY OR A THIRD OPTION AND WE KEEP BEING TOLD WE CAN'T HAVE ONE.

WE'RE BUILDING ONE RIGHT NOW TO TRY TO MAKE IT SO OUR GOVERNMENT WORKS FOR US AGAIN.

>> Ted: IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN WHEN PEOPLE FEELS STUCK?

THE POLITICAL SYSTEM FEELS STUCK?

>> PEOPLE AREN'T PUMPED ABOUT EITHER OF THE OPTIONS PEOPLE PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY'RE VOTING FOR THE LESSER OF TWO AND I KNOW ARIZONA HAS HAD TIGHT ELECTIONS AND THAT'S REFLECTED AROUND THE COUNTRY AND WE HAVE TO GIVE PEOPLE A CHOICE THEY'RE EXCITED ABOUT ABOUT THINGS YOU'RE EXCITED ABOUT IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

THE CURRENT TWO-PARTY SYSTEM DOESN'T HAVE TO DELIVER.

ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS MAKE YOU DISLIKE THE OTHER SIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE.

>> Ted: LET'S SAY THE THIRD PARTY IS THE FORWARD PARTY AND HOW DO YOU FOCUS ON THE COMMUNITY MORE SO THAN THE TWO PARTIES RIGHT NOW?

>> WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO DO IS SET UP VOTING MECK METABOLISMMECHANISM WHICH IS ONE IN NEVADA ON A BALLOT INITIATIVE AND WE'RE SUPER EXCITED AND IT TENDS TO REDUCE EXTREMISM AND POLARIZATION BECAUSE YOU NEED MAJORITY APPEAL AND IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH SOMEONE, YOU STILL WANT TO INCORPORATE THEIR ISSUES INTO THE PLATFORM TO TRY TO WIN A GENERAL ELECTION.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE CAN DO THAT WOULD IMPROVE THE ACCOUNTABILITY AND THE REPRESENTATION.

IT WEAKENS THE PARTY BOSSES, WHICH IS WHY PEOPLE IN NEVADA VOTED THIS IN.

BOTH PARTIES WERE AGAINST IT.

>> Ted: WE TALKED ABOUT THIS NUMEROUS TIMES AND THE PARTIES ARE AGAINST THAT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SERVE THEIR INTERESTS AND RANK VOTES, JUNGLE PRIMARIES, DO THEY REALLY BRING IN NEW CANDIDATES OR ARE DO THEY COALESCE THOSE TWO PARTIES?

>> THEY OPEN THE SYSTEM UP AND MAKE IT SO THAT EVEN IF YOU HAVE THE SAME PEOPLE IN OFFICE, THEIR INCENTIVES GET BETTER, BUT YOU WON'T HAVE A THIRD PARTY OR NEW PARTY ENTRANCE TO COMPETE UNLESS YOU GET RID OF THE SPOILER EFFECT.

>> Ted: YOU LEFT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY LAST YEAR?

>> YES.

>> Ted: WHY?

>> BECAUSE I SENSED POLARIZATION IS GETTING MORE AND ABOUT HALF OF REPUBLICANS FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT DEMOCRATS AND THIS IS GETTING WORSE, NOT BETTER.

YOU HAVE MEDIA ORGANIZATIONS DRIVING TRIBALLIZATION AND I LEFT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BECAUSE I REALIZED THAT IT WASN'T GOING TO BE POSSIBLE TO REDUCE THE TEMPERATURE LEVEL AND BRING AMERICANS TOGETHER FROM WITHIN THESE TWO PARTIES.

THE CLASHING IS LEADING US NOWHERE.

YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE DYNAMIC.

62% OF AMERICANS WANT.

PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW IT'S BREAKING DOWN AND NOT WORKING.

>> Ted: YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE FIXING WHAT'S WRONG FROM THE OUTSIDE AS OPPOSED TO THE INSIDE.

FOR THOSE WHO SAY YEAH, YOU CAN DO MORE DAMAGE IF YOU WILL, FROM THE INSIDE, HOW DO YOU RESPOND?

>> IF YOU ASK PEOPLE IN EITHER PARTY TO GET BEHIND SYSTEMS CHANGED TO LOSE PARTY CONTROL, THEY WON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE THEY'LL TURN TO THEIR CONSULTANTS AND SAY, HEY, WHERE ARE WE AND WE DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE IT MAKES THE ELECTIONS LESS CONTROLLABLE AND LESS PREDICTABLE.

THAT'S WHY YOU HAD TO GET OUTSIDE OF THE TWO-PARTY SYSTEM AND GET ON THE SIDE OF, AGAIN, THE 50% OF AMERICANS WHO SAY WE'RE INDEPENDENTS AND THE 62% WHO WANT A NEW OPTIONS.

THIS IS A GRASS ROOT'S OPTION THAT AMERICANS ARE GETTING EXCITED ABOUT BECAUSE THEY KNOW YOU CAN'T TURN TO EITHER PARTY AND FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE YOUR BACK.

>> Ted: BUT CAN A PARTY HAVE YOUR BACK AND CAN A PARTY CHANGE AND EVOLVE AND ARE WE SEEING WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IMPLOSIONS GOING ON RIGHT AND LEFT.

THE PARTY WILL CHANGE.

WE DON'T KNOW WHICH DIRECTION OR HOW, BUT THE PARTY WILL CHANGE AND NOT ENOUGH CHANGE FOR YOU?

>> I THINK YOU HAVE TO DIG ONE STEP DEEPER.

THESE PARTIES, IN MY OPINION, SHOULD ACTUALLY ALREADY EACH BE TWO PARTIES.

THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY SHOULD BE TWO PARTIES AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY SHOULD BE TWO PARTIES AND EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

YOU HAVE A FIFTH PARTY IN THE MIDDLE.

IN THAT SYSTEM, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE MORE COHERENT CONVERSATIONS AS TO WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT AND WHAT ARE OUR GOVERNMENT IS MEANT OUR GOVERNMENT IS MEANT TO DELIVER.

YOU DON'T HAVE THEY'RE THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE I DON'T NEED TO ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING.

I JUST NEED TO WIN 50.1% AND TURN YOU AGAINST THE OTHER SEAT.

>> Ted: SO THE FORWARD PARTY WOULD BE SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE, YOU ENVISION BETWEEN REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS?

>> THAT'S WHERE MAJORITY OF THE ENERGY IS.

WE WANT TO REFLECT THE MAJORITY WILL OF THE PEOPLE IN OUR LEADERSHIP.

I'M A MATH GUY AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, THE SATISFACTION APPROVAL RATE FOR U.S. CONGRESS RIGHT NOW IS 20 TO 28%, AND THREE OUT OF FOUR NOT HAPPY.

THE REELECTION RATE FOR CONGRESS IS 94%, THERE IS WHICH IS A HIGHER WIN RATE THAN THE SUNS EVER HAD IN THEIR ENTIRE SEASON.

WHY IS THAT?

BECAUSE 90% OF THE DISTRICTS HAVE BEEN DRAWN TO BE UNCOMPETITIVE AND THEY'LL BE BLUE OR RED.

I DO NOT NEED TO GET THE PEOPLE'S WORK DONE TO STAY IF OFFICE.

I JUST NEED TO KEEP THE PEOPLE AND THE BASE HAPPY.

>> Ted: I CAN'T LET YOU GO WITHOUT YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE MIDTERMS.

WHAT DID YOU SEE?

DEMOCRATS BREAK BECAUSE THEY'RE UNHAPPY WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE PART OF FORWARD WHO ARE MODERATE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE UNHAPPY WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

AND THEY KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW THE INCENTIVES ARE WRONG.

IF WE WANT OUR SYSTEM TO WORK BETTER, WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE ACTUAL STRUCTURES, BUT I WAS ENCOURAGED BY THE MIDTERMS BECAUSE AMERICANS WANTED BALANCE.

>> Ted: LAST QUESTION.

LET'S SAY THE FORWARD PARTY TAKES OFF AND IT MAKES AN IMPACT AND OUT THERE AND DOING THINGS, WHAT KEEPS THE FORWARD PARTY FROM BECOMING EVERYTHING THAT REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ARE NOW?

>> YOU KNOW, THIS IS A FUN QUESTION, TED, IS THAT -- SO WE'RE THE THIRD BIGGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY BY RESOURCES.

BUT WE DON'T CONTROL ANYTHING YET.

SO REALLY, ALL WE HAVE AT HEART IS WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT.

AND IF WE GET TO A POINT WHERE WE ACTUALLY ARE SUBJECT TO THE SAME CORRUPTION AS THE OTHER PARTIES.

THEN IN, THAT WILL BE A MARK OFSUCCESS, BUT WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GET THERE.

>> Ted: INFORMATION FOR BEINGTHANKS FOR BEING HERE.

COMING UP, THE IMPACT OF DONALD TRUMP ANNOUNCING HE'S RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AGAIN.

FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP ANNOUNCED HE'S RUNNING WITH PRESIDENT AND MET WITH A NUMBER OF RESPONSES AND NOW TO CONSIDER THE RAMIFICATIONS, WE WELCOME OUR POLITICAL CONSULTANT, JIM HEATHE.

OUR THOUGHTS.

>> IT'S ALMOST THE TWILIGHT ZONE.

JUST DAYS AFTER A MEGABLOWOUT, NOT JUST IN ARIZONA AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHERE WE SAW TRUMP'S HAND-PICKED CANDIDATES ONLY TO GET DEFEATED IN THE GENERAL ELECTION AND HIS READING WAS I NEATNEED TO GET BACK IN THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE.

IT LEAVES THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN QUITE A DIFFICULT POSITION, AS I SEE IT.

A FORK IN THE ROAD MOMENT, WHERE THEY'LL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TO COALESCE BEHIND ONE ALTERNATIVE LIKE DESANTIS OR HALEY AND MY GUT WITH ALL OF THE TRUMP FLAGS IN RURAL ARIZONA, HE'S STILL A FORMIDABLE OPPONENT IN THE PRIMARY.

>> Ted: IS HE STRONG ENOUGH TO CONTINUE THIS.

YOU HAVE MITT ROMNEY SAYING IF WE WIN, YOU NEED A NEW LEADER AND LINDSEY GRAHAM SAYING IF HE CONTINUES WITH THIS TONE AND DELIVERS ON A CONSISTENT BASIS, HE WILL BE HARD TO BEAT AND I CAN'T PIN DOWN LINDSEY GRAHAM.

BUT AS FAR AS REPUBLICAN POLITICAL LEADERS RIGHT NOW, I HAVE TO TELL YOU, JIM, I DIDN'T SEE A LOT OF JUMPIN' AND SHOUTING AND SCREAMING AND YELLING.

>> THERE ISN'T THAT, BUT AT THE GRASS ROOT'S LEVEL, WHERE ELECTIONS ARE DECIDED, THE GRASS ROOT, IT'S ALMOST A CULT-LIKE FIGURE HEAD IN MANY WAYS.

THEY'RE LOYAL TO HIM AND RONALD REAGAN, YOU AND I RECALL THE REAGAN DAYS AND WON 49 STATES IN 1948 AND NEVER DREAMED FLYING HIS FLAG WHERE THE AMERICAN FLAG IS AT AND TRUMP SUPPORTERS DO.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT IOWA AND NEW HAMP TIREHAMPSHIRE AND SOUTH CAROLINA, HE'S FORMIDABLE THERE.

REPUBLICANS, THEY HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION WHETHER THERE'S ONE ALTERNATIVE THAT THEY CAN AGREE UPON.

IF D ESANIS GETS, WILL EVERYBODY ELSE STAY OUT?

>> Ted: IS THAT GOOD NEWS FOR DEMOCRATS?

WAS THE REAL CELEBRATION AMONG DEMOCRATS?

>> I THINK FOR SURE.

IT'S GOING TO BE A ROUGH ECONOMY NEXT YEAR AND IT COULD BREAK IN YEAR FOUR FOR JOE BIDEN.

IN THAT CASE, DEMOCRATS WILL HAVE THE ECONOMY ON THEIR SIDE AND REPUBLICANS WILL BE STUCK WITH DONALD TRUMP WHO IS NOW LOST.

KEEP IN MIND, HE BARELY WON IN 2016.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 70 SOME THOUSAND VOTES IN FIVE STATES TOTAL THAT TIPPED THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE HIS WAY AGAINST HILLARY CLINTON AND BARELY WON IN 2016 AND LOST BY A WIDE MARGIN IN 2020 AND NOW MIDTERM RESULTS SHOULD TELL THE REPUBLICAN PARTY EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO KNOW WHO NOT THE GUY HEADING THE TICKET.

I'M NOT SURE ANY WAY TO STOP IT.

>> Ted: WE'VE HAD A LOT OF SPECULATION AND I CAN SEE WHERE TO MAKES SENSE, THE ONLY REASON HE'S ANNOUNCING AND THIS IS AN EARLY ANNOUNCEMENT, BUT HE'S GOT A MYRIAD OF CASES, OF PROSECUTION THAT HE HAS TO WORRY ABOUT.

THE JANUARY 6th BUSINESS AND THE GEORGIA ELECTION THING AND EVERYTHING IN NEW YORK.

I THINK, IF YOU'RE A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, DOES THAT NOW MAKE A DIFFERENCE AS FAR AS A DOJ AND THEIR INVESTIGATIONS ARE CONCERNED?

>> I THINK SO.

I THINK THE ANNOUNCEMENT TIMING IS BRILLIANT AND WHAT IT DOES IS IT ERASES THE THUMPING AND MAGA LOSSES AND TURNS THE SPOTLIGHT ON HIM.

IT SENDS A MESSAGE TO DOJ AND OTHER INVESTIGATIONS IN NEW YORK AND ELSEWHERE THAT IF YOU WANT TO TAKE ME ON, I'M A LEADING CONTEND AND SUPPORTERS WILL RALLY EVEN MORE BEHIND MY BACK AND HAVE MY BACK.

SO I DO THINK FROM TRUMP STANDPOINT, IT MAKES ALL OF THE SENSE IN THE WORLD AND LEAVES THE RECENTLY PARTY IN A DIFFICULT SITUATION.

>> Ted: THE SPEECH LAST NIGHT, DOES IT MATTER ANYMORE WHAT HE SAYS AND HE SAID THINGS THAT SIMPLY ARE NOT TRUE AND DOES NOT TAKE A GENIUS ON THE INTERNET TO LOOK IT UP AND SAYS THAT'S JUST NOT THE WAY IT WAS.

DOES THAT MATTER ANYMORE?

>> TED, UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T THINK SO.

HE BEATS TO HIS OWN DRUMMER AND SUPPORTERS EAT IT UP, MUCH LIKE A CULT LEADER AND ANYTHING HE SAYS IS VERBATIM.

THERE'S NO CROSS-CHECKING HIM AND IT DOESN'T MATTER.

HIS PLAYBOOK SEEMINGLY FOR 2024 IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT IT WAS IN 2016, THAT AMERICA, MIDNIGHT AGAIN IN AMERICA.

TALK ABOUT THE OPPOSITE OF RONALD REAGAN ABOUT AN INSPIRATIONAL MESSAGE, THIS IS THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE WHERE EVERYTHING IS A TERRIBLE SITUATION AND ONLY HE CAN SAVE IT AND WE'LL SEE WHETHER THOSE STATES WHERE THE BLUE WALL CRACKED IN 2016 CAME PACK TOGETHER AND WE'LL SEE WHETHER THEY CRACK.

MY GUT TWO YEARS OUT, THAT WON'T HAPPEN PUT.

>> Ted: BUT WILL IT BE ENOUGH TO KEEP POTENTIAL CANDIDATES OUT OF THE RACE.

I DON'T THINK DESANTIS IS COWED BY THIS.

THISIS THIS A CHILLING EFFECT ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE?

>> LOCK, TED,I STARTED MY CAREER LIKE WHAT SEEMS A MILLION YEARS AGO AND I WILL SAY IF I COULD OFFER ANY ADVICE TO MY OLD REPUBLICAN FRIENDS, PERHAPS TO CONSIDER MIKE PENCE.

DDESANTIS HAS NEVER RUN A CAMPAIGN AND SOMEBODY LIKE PENCE HAS BEEN AROUND THE BLOCK AND CAN DISAGREE WITH TRUMP WHERE HE FEELS HE CAN AND GIVES A LOT OF REPUBLICANS A SAFE PLACE TO GO IN IOWA AND NEW HAMPSHIRE AND PLACES TO VOTE EARLY.

MY ADVICE, SEE IF YOU CAN HAVE MIKE PENCE BE AN ALTERNATIVE TO DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE IF YOU GET ANYMORE THAN ONE ALTERNATIVE, MY VIEW IS TRUMP SLICES THE FIELD AND WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE THE NOMINEE AGAIN.

>> Ted: JIM, THANK YOU.

>> GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> Ted: THE U.S. SUPREME COURT UNDER SCRUTINY AS SCRUTINY WAS AMPLIFIED BY THE OVERTURNING OF ROE V. WADE.

A NEW BOOK TITLED THE STENCH OF POLITICS, POLARIZATION OFFERED A CRITICAL ANALYSIS WITH THE FOCUS ON THE IMPACT OF POLITICS ON THE COURT'S RULINGS.

JOINING US NOW IS THE BOOK'S OFFER, A PROFESSOR AT ASU'S JOURNALISM.

POLARIZATION AND WORLD VIEW ON THE SUPREME COURT COURT.

DEFINE WORLD VIEW.

>> IN MANY WAYS, THE FOUNDATION OF THIS BOOK AND A CONCEPT FROM POLITICAL SCIENCE THAT TWO POLITICAL SCIENTISTS IN PARTICULAR ESTABLISHED AND FLESHED OUT IN A BOOK OF THEIRS.

WHAT I'VE DONE IS TAKE THEIR CONCEPT AND APPLY IT TO A SUPREME COURT AND EVERYONE ONE OFSOF US HAS A WORLD VIEW AND WE FALL INTO TWO CATEGORIES.

WHAT THEY CALL FIXED OR FLUID AND EVERYTHING WE DO IS GUIDED BY OUR WORLD VIEW AND NOT JUST POLITICS, BUT THINGS LIKE WHAT RESTAURANTS WE GO TO AND WHAT COFFEE WITH DRINK OR WHAT BEER WE DRINK AND WHERE WE CHOOSE TO LIVE, CITY OR RURAL.

AND AS I SAID, EVERYONE OF US IS GUIDED BY THAT AND EVERYONE OF US INCLUDES JUSTICES OF THE SUPREME COURT.

AND SO THE PREMISE THAT I TOOK WITH THIS BOOK IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND THE SUPREME COURT, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND AMERICA, DIVIDED, POLARIZED, TRIBALLIZED AMERICA.

>> Ted: I REMEMBER AS A KID, AND YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER AS A KID, IT WAS THE INSTITUTION THAT WAS THE MOST TRUSTED IN AMERICA OVER EVERYTHING ELSE AND THE SUPREME COURT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOVE THAT.

WHAT HAPPENED?

>> SUPPOSED TO, INDEED, AND NO LONGER.

THE SUPREME COURT, I CONTEND AND OTHER SCHOLARS CONCUR WITH THIS, HAS BECOMES A POLITICAL AS THE INSTITUTION ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT, THE U.S. CAPITOL, WHY CONGRESS RESIDES.

THE SUPREME COURT FOR DECADES NOW, AT LEAST FIVE OR SO, HAS BEEN MOLDED AND SHAPED TO BECOME A POLITICAL WEAPON, PARTICULARLY BY ONE PARTY, FRANKLY, AND WE SEE THE RESULTS OF THAT NOW.

>> Ted: HOW DO YOU CHANGE THAT AND CAN YOU CHANGE THAT?

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, THE PEOPLE OF CONGRESS HAVE A WORLD VIEW, TOO.

>> INDEED.

IF WE ACCEPT THE NOTION THAT THE SUPREME COURT HAS BEEN POLITICIZED, THEN ONE SOLUTION, MAYBE THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION IS TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO DEPOLITICIZE IT AND HOW HAS IT BECOME DEPOLITICIZED AND LOOK AT THE SELECTION PROCESS OF JUSTICES AND THE CONFIRMATION.

FROM THE VERY BEGINNING WE HAVE A POLITICAL PROCESS RUN BY POLITICIANS THAT IS THE HEIGHT IN MANY WAYS.

IF ANYONE WATCHED THE SUPREME COURT CONFIRMATION HEARINGS ON TELEVISION, YOU ARE SEEING POLITICS POSSIBLY AT ITS WORST WITH A VARIETY OF GRANDSTANDING AND SO FORTH.

IF WE CAN DEPOLITICIZE THE COURT INCLUDING THAT PROCESS, THEN WE'RE ON THE WAY TO HELPING WITH THIS.

>> Ted: TAKE IT OFF OF TELEVISION.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY ONE OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS, IS BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH GRANDSTANDING TO THE TELEVISION CAMERA IN THOSE HEARINGS, I BELIEVE THAT IF WE REMOVE THE CAMERA AND STILL ALLOW COVERAGE BY THE NEWS MEDIA, BUT NOT LIVE TELEVISED COVERAGE, WE TAKE A BIG STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

>> Ted: WHAT ABOUT TERM LIMITS?

>> I WASI'M ON BOARD HAVING STUDIED THIS AND THAT WOULD HELP WITH DEPOLITICIZING THE COURT AND VARIOUS LENGTHS OF TERMS HAVE BEEN THROWN AROUND AND 18 YEARS IS WHAT I THINK WHAT WE SEE MOST AND THAT WOULD BE GOOD IN MY VIEW.

>> Ted: THAT SEEMS HEALTHY ENOUGH AND THEN YOU REALIZE PEOPLE ARE HERE FOR TWICE THAT LONG.

AN INTERESTING IDEA REGARDING EXPANDING THE COURT AND YES, BUT ALSO MAKING SURE WHAT EVERY JUSTICE DOESN'T RULE ON EVERY CASE.

>> THAT'S ANOTHER OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS.

THE U.S. SUPREME COURT IS THE ONLY FEDERAL COURT IN THE UNITED STATES WHERE EVERY JUDGE OR JUSTICE ON STAFF HEARS EVERY CASE WITH THE RARE EXCEPTION OF A RECUSAL.

WHAT I SUGGEST IS WE CHANGE THAT AND MAKE THE SUPREME COURT LIKE ALL OF THE FEDERAL COURTS IN THE COUNTRY AND BRING THE TOTAL NUMBER OF JUSTICES UP TO, SAY, 13, BUT STILL ONLY HAVE NINE SIT ON EVERY CASE.

>> Ted: ISN'T THAT INTERESTING?

SO WITH THESE SUGGESTIONS, THIS OBSERVATION AND ANALYSIS, LAST QUESTION, WHAT DID YOU WANT READERS TO TAKE FROM THIS BOOK?

>> NUMBER ONE THAT THE SUPREME COURT IS A POLITICAL INSTITUTION AND THERE'S NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT.

AND THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

THE IDEA, AND WE CAN APPLY WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY TO JUST ABOUT ANYTHING.

THE IDEA THAT WE CAN SIT BY AND HOPE THAT THINGS GET BETTER IS A FALLACY.

WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS AND HOPEFULLY SOME OF THE THINGS I SUGGEST CAN BE AMONG THOSE.

>> THIS >> Ted: THIS IS A GREAT ANALYSIS.

CONGRATULATIONS ON THE BOOK AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Ted: AND THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.

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