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SORT OF.

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NOW THIS EDITION OF "OFF THE RECORD" WITH TIM SKUBICK.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WELCOME TOLL THIS EDITION OF "OFF THE RECORD."

ON THE WAY OVER HERE.

I WAS SITTING IN THE 100-PLUS YEAR HISTORY.

10,000 KIDS MARCHING ON THE STATE CAPITOL TOLL PROTEST THE VIETNAM WAR.

NUMEROUS PRESIDENTS HERE, BILL CLINTON ALONG WITH GOVERNOR JIM BLANCHARD AND FORGET THE HIS TO TICK SUPPORTING EVENTS THAT 10-10 TIE AGAINST NOTRE DAME THEN MONDAY NIGHT, AN EVENT WE WOULD RATHER FORGET.

>> THE TIME FOR ONLY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS IS OVER.

[APPLAUSE] >> IT WAS JUST 19 DAYS AGO THAT GOVERNOR GREAT CHET CHEN WHITMER STOOD AT THE PODIUM IN THE HOUSE AND CALLED FOR MORE GUN CONTROL LEGISLATION.

TODAY THE GOVERNOR STOOD AT ANOTHER PODIUM ON THE MSU CAMPUS IN THE WAKE OF A MASS SHOOTING THAT KILLED THREE STUDENTS AND INJURED FIVE MORE.

SHE, GAIN, CALLED FOR ACTION.

>> WE CANNOT KEEP LIVING LIKE THIS.

OUR CHILDREN ARE SCARED TO GO TO SCHOOL.

AS PARENTS WE TELL OUR KIDS, IT IS GOING TO BE OK. WE SAY THAT ALL THE TIME.

BUT THE TRUTH IS, WORDS ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

WE MUST ACT AND WE WILL.

>> IT WAS JUST 15 MOP AGO THAT CITIZENS MOURNED THE LOSS OF STUDENTS AT OXFORD HIGH SCHOOL DUE TO A MASS SHOOTING AND ANGRY CONGRESS TOWOMAN ELISA SLOTKIN REPRESENTS MSU.

>> I AM FILLED WITH RAGE, THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER PRESS CONFERENCE TO TALK ABOUT OUR CHILDREN BEING KILLED IN THEIR SCHOOLS.

I WOULD SAY, THAT YOU EITHER CARE ABOUT PROTECTING KIDS OR YOU DON'T.

TIM: THE QUESTION IS, WILL THIS MSU TRAGEDY BE THE ONE TO SUPPORTERS CLAIM TO HELP TO PREVENT MORE GUN VIOLENCE.

INCLUDING A RED FLAG LAW THAT GET WEAPONS OUT OF THE HANDS OF THOSE THAT MIGHT MISUSE THEM AND THIS NR ARGUES THAT LAW IS A FAILURE.

THEY DON'T SEEM TO SAB LIVES THE STATES THAT HAVE THEM EN PLACE NOW.

THE WHOLE NATURE OF A RED FLAG LAW TURNS DUE PROCESS ON THE HEAD AND A DUMB IDEA ON A PRACTICAL LEVEL.

BUT DEMOCRATS NOW CONTROLLING THE LEGISLATURE THERE WILL BE DEBATE ON GUN ISSUES WHICH THERE NEVER WAS UNDER REPUBLICAN CONTROL.

THE SENATE REPUBLICAN LEADER ERIC SAYS LAWMAKERS NEED TO COME TOGETHER TO DEVELOP SLEW ARE SOLUTIONS TO KEEP THE LOVED ONES SAFE.

THOUGH GO NOR KNOWS THAT THOUGHTS AND I YEARS WON GET THIS JOB DONE AND NEEDS VOTES AND UNCLEAR IF THEY CAN GET THEM DESPITE WHAT HAPPENED ON THE BANKS OF THE RED CEDAR THE ALMA HATTER.

>> HOW DID YOU FUN OUT ABOUT AS THIS STORY?

>> I WAS HOME.

REFRESHING TWITTER ON A MONDAY NIGHT USUALLY WHAT I DO IN THE EVENINGS WHEN I AM DONE WITH DNER.

HE SAW EVERYONE STARTING TO RETWEET THE MSU POLICE ALERT ABOUT A PE TENSION SHOOTER ON CAMPUS.

TIM: NOUR FIRST THOUGHTS?

>> FEAR.

HOW BAD COOED THIS BE.

TIM: DAVID.

>> YEAH.

I THINK, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF HOAX THREATS THAT HAD COME OUT EARL WHY IR IN THIS HE WEEK FOR LOCAL K THROUGH 12 DISTRICTS.

YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING.

DON'T KNOW WHO IS GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY.

THEN THINK THINK THE THING THAT STICKS WITH ME IS THE LENGTH OF TIME A WAS INVOLVE BETWEEN THE FIRST REPORTS OF A SHOOTER TO WIN WHEN PEOPLE COULD STOP SHELTING IN LAYS.

THINK WE HEARD FROM MANY PEOPLE ON CAMPUS, IN THE EAST LAST LANSING COMMUNITIES HUDDLED ON THE FLOOR OVER CLASSROOMS USING WIRES TO KEEP CLASSROOM DOORS CLOSED THEN STAYING THERE FOR HOURS THEN THAT IS OBVIOUSLY AMONG MANY OTHER PARTS OF THIS TRAGEDY IS JUST HAUNTING.

>> I GOT A TEXT FROM A FRIEND, HOB HAD SEEN A VIDEO POSTED ON-LINE, SHE SHARED IT IN OUR GROUP CHAT AND LOOKED AT IT IF ARE A COUPLE OF MINUTES THEN I DIDN'T FEEL ANYTHING WHICH I THINK SHOULD BE ALAING IN OF ITSELF.

THERE WAS ALMOST A SENSE OF K, OH, GOD.

OK.

HERE WE GO AGAIN.

SO, SO IMMEDIATELY AFTER KIND OF PROCESSING THAT, STARTED SHOOTING OUT TEXTS TO FRIENDSES WHO ARE EITHER TEACHING OR STUDENT AND I MEAN, BE FROM THERE, I WAS INVOLVED WITH THE COVERAGE FOR THE REST OF THE NIGHT ALONG WITH A TEAM OF OTHER PEOPLE, ON THE GROUND, FROM VIRTUALLY SHORTLY THEREAFTERAFTER WE POT THE ALERT WHEN IT HEANED THE THEN THE SHOOTER TURNED THE GUN ON HIMSELF LATER THAT NIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW.

I CAN SAY A LOT.

FEEL LIKE IT WON'T SAY ANYTHING AT AUM BECAUSE THE TIME AND PLACE WE ARE IN -- TIM: I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.

JAM MY COVERED THE OXFORD SHOOTING NOW THE MSU SITUATION.

>> YEAH.

HERE THE SAD PART ABOUT THAT.

YOU HAVE YOUNG ADULT, OUR KID, WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS TWICE.

TIM: YEAH.

AMAZING STORY THAT CAME OUT LATER IN THE WEEK.

>> YEAH.

WELL, THE FOLLOWING DAY, TUESDAY, I AM ASSISTING MY COLLEAGUES BECAUSE I HAD THE CONNECTIONS AT AXEFORD TO TRY TO TALK TO THOSE FAMILIES.

FAMILIES WHO HAD BEEN THROUGH THIS TWICE.

YOUNG ADULTS WHO HAD TO GO THROUGH, RUN, HIDE, FIGHT, SHELLER IN PLACE, AND THE DRILLS THEY WENT THROUGH IN OXFORD, THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH IT TWICE IN 15 IN MOS THEN HERE WE ARE IN WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE SAFE MICHIGAN.

TIM: THE OXFORD STORY IS ISOLATED BUT THIS IS STATEWIDE.

THIS IS WITHIN IS STATEWIDE.

IT IS INTERNATIONAL.

YOU HAVE INTERNATIONAL STUDENT HERE.

EVERYBODY HAS A CONNECTION TO MSU.

>> IT FEELS THAT WAY.

YEAH.

ONE WOULD HOPE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO RES MATE.

ANY OF THESE WOULD RESONATE WITH ANY OF US.

WE HAVE LOVED ONES.

YOU ARE RIGHT.

I SAW SOMEBODY SAY THE OTHER DAY THAT MOST PEOPLE IN THE STATE OF MICHIGAN HAVE ONE OR TWO DEGREES OF SEPARATION.

EVERYBODY IS CONNECTED.

I HAVE SEEN THAT WITH PEOPLE WHOM ARE ALUMS THAT WE INTERACT WITH DAY IN AND DAY OUT.

MANY OF THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICERS WE INTERACT WITH ALL THE TIME I WENT TO MICHIGAN STATE.

YOU CAN SEE THAT.

THERE ISES ONLY THIS MASSIVE TRAUM MALL THAT EVERYONE HAS EXPERIENCED TOGETHER.

>> NOW WE HAVE THIS DEBATE OVER WHETHER LAW ENFORCEMENT EARLY ON HAD A CHANCE TO GET KEEP THIS GENTLEMEN OF THE STREETS.

WHAT IS THE DEBATE ABOUT THERE?

>> WELL, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THIS INDIVIDUAL HAD PAST EN COPTERS WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THERE WAS POTENTIAL FOR HIM TO HAVE BEEN INELIGIBLE TO HOLD A GUN, BUT BECAUSE OF A PROSECUTION AND PLEA DEAL, HE WAS ABLE TO PLEA TO A LESSER CHARGE, WHICH DID NOT PREVENT HIM FROM OWNING A GUN, THEN, THEN HE LATER, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE SHOOTING ENDED UP PURCHASING LEGALLY SOME HANDGUNS.

THEY WERE NOT REGISTERED.

AND WAS ABLE TO GO OUT AND COMMIT THIS ACT AND, YEAH, I MEAN, THERE IS A WHOLE CASCADE OF ISSUES THAT WE CAN LOOK AT HERE IN TERMS OF HOW CAN WE DO BETTER NEXT TIME TO PREVENT BEING HERE AGAIN, MEAN, IS IT THE PROSECUTION ROUTE?

I KNOW REPUBLICANS STARTED TO TURN TO THAT SAYING WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT HOW WE HANDLED INDIVIDUALS WITH PREVIOUSLY WITH CRIMES THAT ENABLED THEM TO THEN LATER POTENTIALLY HOLD A GUN STILL AND THEN, YOU HAVE DEMOCRATS ON WHO THE SENATE EARLIER, YESTERDAY, TALL, INTRODUCED A HOST OF RED FLAG LAW, SAFE STORAGE LAW, AND, SOME BACKGROUND CHECKS.

>> THANK YOU.

>> I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE, ON THIS ARREST SHALL IN THIS INDIVIDUAL THAT THE SHOOTER THAT IS INVOLVED, THE FELONY HE WAS ORIGINALLY CHARGED WITH THAT PRECLUDED OWNER SH THEN SHEN FUTURE.

REPUBLICANS MANY OF THEM, NOT ALL OF THIS EM.

WANT PEOPLE IN MICHIGAN TO BE ABLE TO CARRY A CONCEALED WEAPON WITHOUT PERMIT.

THEY WANT WHAT THEY CALIPER MITLESS CARRY OR CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY.

IF THAT WERE IN EFFECT.

YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN CHARGED AT ALL.

RIGHT.

THEN, THEN, THE ARGUMENT ABOUT A DEAL, THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY A DEAL IN THE PLACE.

THE KEY ARGUMENT THAT THE MEN'S ATTORNEY WAS RAISED IT WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL DETAINMENT AND ARREST BY THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.

>> ALSO STOP AND FRISK.

RIGHT.

IT IS CALLED CARRY, STOP.

THERE HAS BEEN AND TON OF CONSTITUTIONAL SCRUTINY OF THIS AND SO, SO, WHILE THE LANSING POLICE CHIEF SEEMED TO INDICATE THAT THERE DEFEAT OF THE PROSECUTORS HERE, THE ATTORNEY THAT WAS INVOLVED IN CASE, FOR THE SHOOTER, SEEMEDDED TO PUT AALL OF THE BLAME ON THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WHO WERE INVOLVE AND SEEN THE SHOOTAGE OF THIS AND JUSTIFICATION OF THIS AND STILL A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THEY SHOULD HAVE PRESENTED HIM FROM GETTING A GUN OR NOT CLEARLY HE WAS ABLE TO BUY GUNS LATER.

>> LET ME TELL YOU.

I WAS QUR ARE CURIOUSES ABOUT THIS ASPECT AND SPENT A LOT OF TIME RESEARCHING THIS.

THEN I TALKED TO A GENTLEMEN I RESPECT A LOT, STORY JOHNSON, METRO DETROIT ATTORNEY.

HE IS MSU ALUM THEM?

IS A SECOND AMENDMENT ADVOCATE.

HE TEACHES CDL CLASS.

HE HAS WATCHED THAT VIDEO.

HE SAYS WHEN YOU ARE FIRST OH FEN TER, WHEN YOU ARE CARE CARRYING WITHOUT A PERMIT.

THEN, IN THIS SITUATION, THE SYSTEM THAT IS HOW IT PERFORMED.

>> IT CUTS YOU SLACK.

>> EVEN THOUGH IT IS A FIVE-YEAR FELONY.

THE BOTTOM LINE HE SAY, YOU ARE CONSIDERED.

YOU MADE IT ONE MISTAKE.

WE'LL GIVE YOU THE MISDEMEANOR HE WAS ON PROBATION FOR 18 MOPS THEN CLEAN FOR THOSE 18 MONTHS THEN HE WAS ALOUDED TO PURCHASE WEAPON?

HE PURCHASED TWO ACCORDING TO THE POLICES THIS WEEK LEGALLY THEY WERE NOT REGISTERED BUT WAS HE GIVE AND BREAK?

THE BOTTOM LINE FROM JOHNSON IS EBB GETS THE SAME BREAK EVERY TIME.

>> THE PROSECUTOR FORMER PROSECUTOR IN INGHAM COUNTY DEFENDED THIS BASICALLY SAYING THIS WAS STANDARD OPERATION.

>> SAME THING.

TIM: THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE GENTLEMEN'S PAST, ALTHOUGH, THE MENTAL HEALTH THING HAS BEEN RAISED AS PART OF THIS AND MANIFESTO THE TWO-PAGE DOCUMENT THEY FOUND IN THE CAR BUT BASICALLY WHERE DO LAW MAKES GO FROM HERE AS A ULT ARE OF THIS IS THE MAJOR QUESTION?

SURE.

THE LEGISLATIVE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS DEBATE ARE ON THE PROSECUTION IN THIS CASE ANADEMMING FROM THAT 2019 I REST OF THE SHOOTING SUSPECT, REPUBLICANS ARE BASICALLY SAYING THAT THAT IS FAILURE TO ENFORCE THE LAWS THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE BOOKS, AND THEN, ALSO, HEARING SOME REPUBLICANS WHO ARE KIND OF OPEN TO WHAT DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN PROPOSING AND PROPOSED LAST SESSION AROUND SAFE STORE I AM, UNIVERSAL BACK GROUP CHECKS.

DO YOU COUNT THE NUMBER OF REPUBLICANS THAT YOU THINK ARE THINKING ABOUT THAT?

I AM SORRY.

I AM SORRY TO PUT IN THE SPOT.

IS IT FOUR, IS IT FIVE, IS IT SIX?

>> PK UP A COPY OF THE SUNDAY FREE PRESS AND YOU CAN FIND OUT.

>> BUT PI THINK WHAT IS GOING TO BE, BE WHAT WE WANT TO KEEP AN EYE ON HERE THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE BLOCKED A LOT OF VOTE ON THE GUN SAFETY MEASURES AND SO, NOW THEY ARE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ATTACH THEIR TEAM INS TO A HAVE ON THESE TRIO PROPOSALS THAT GOVERNOR WHIT NER HAS CALLED FOR AN ALSO SEE HOW STRONG THAT DEM CRA K SUPPORT IS.

THERE IS LITTLE WIGGLE ROOM IN EITHER CHAMBER HER.

PIECE ON THAT PART OF THE STORY I WANT TO GO TO.

FIRST THE AMAZING PARTS OF THIS STORY AND DAVEED HAVE YOU ALLUDED TO IT.

THAT VACUUM OF TIME BETWEEN 8:18 AND 11:30 ON WHAT IS GOING, WHERE THIS IS GUY?

SOCIAL MEDIA THEY PUT THE PICTURE UP THERE AND THE STORY OF THE WOMAN IN LANSING SAW THIS GENTLEMEN WALK BY HER HOUSE IN THE FRONT WINDOW.

THIS HE IS THE GUY.

WITHIN 17 MINUTE OF THIS BEING ON THE INTERNET, THE LANSING POLICES WERE FROM AMAZING PART OF THAT STORY.

LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING LEGISLATIVELY.

>> THE QUESTION IS: IS THE MSU MASS KILLING THE ONE TRAGIC EVENT THAT UNLONG THE LEGISLATIVE DOOR TO MORE GUN SAFETY LAW THAT SUPPORTS BELIEVE WILL KEEP STUDENTS SAFER FROM GUN VIOLENCE.

PART OF THE ANSWER MAY LIE IN THE PRESS RELEASE THIS THE NEW REPUBLICAN LEADER MATT HALL.

IN IT HE OUTLINE WHAT'S THE REPUBLICANS LAST YEAR SUPPORTED INCLUDING SETTING UP A SCHOOL SAFETY COMMISSION, HIRING MORE SCHOOL SAFETY PERSONNEL, AND EXPANDING AN EMERGENCY TIP LINE.

NOTE THAT NONE, MON, NONE OF WHAT THE GOVERNOR WANTS IS IN THIS REPORT.

>> LETS ACEN AC UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BUY FIREARMS.

LET'S ENACT SAFE STORAGE LAWS SO WE CAN MAKE SURE FIREARMS ARE STORED SAFELY AT HOME.

THIS IS ONE OF THE REPUBLICAN LAW K MARES WHO CO CHAIRED THAT STUDY COMMISSION ON SCHOOL SAFETY LAST YEAR.

HE REPORTS, BE THIS WERE NO GUN CONTROL ISSUES IN THIS REPORT, BECAUSE THE VOTES IN THE LEGISLATURE SIMPLY WERE NOT THERE TO DO.

SOME PEOPLE WILL SAY, WE DON'T GET HARD THINGS DONE, BUT IF THERE IS NOT SUPPORT ACROSS THE LEGISLATURE IT IS NOT GOING TO GET DONE BUT A NEW LEGISLATURE CONTROLLED BY DEMOCRATS AND THIS PRO GUN SAFETY SENATOR HOPES TO GET IT DONE WITH SOME REPUBLICANS.

WE HAVE HAD OFFERS OF SUPPORT FROM FOLKS ON THAT SIDE OF THE AISLE, HEN, REALLY, I THINK, THAT THAT IS OUR TO GET SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY CAN SUPPORT.

TIM: OUTSIDE OF THE LEGISLATURE AMONG CITIZENS CHECK THIS OUT.

A DETROIT CHAMBER SURVEY SHOWS 90.

TA FAVORED MORE EXTENSIVE BACKGROUNDS CHENS INCLUDING 93% OF GUN OWNERS.

IN ADDITION, 74% FAVOR SO-LE AD RED FLAG LAWS AND 63 PERCENT FAVOR A SAFE GUN STORAGE LAW.

BUT THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION OPPOSES ALL OF THOSE PROPOSALS AND VOWS TO FIGHT THE GOVERNOR AND THE DEMOCRATS TO BLOCK THEM.

MEANWHILE, DEMOCRATS WERE GOING TO ADVANCE THEIR BILLS IN APRIL, BUT NOW IN THE WAKE OF WHATP PENNED EIGHT INTO MILES FROM THE STATE CAPITOL ON MONDAY NIGHT, THEY ARE SPEEDING UP THE INTRODUCTION OF THE GUN SAFETY PROPOSALS.

>> SOS WHAT IS THE READ IN THE SENATE?

>> EXCUSE ME.

IN THE SENATE, THESE ARE CLEARLY INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT TO GET THIS DONE NOW.

THERE IS NO SURPRISE THERE.

THESES WERE INTROUS DOOD THE SAME WEEK WHERE IT HAPPENED LOOK YOU ALLUDED TO AND THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

SPED IT UP.

AKNOW CLARA MENTIONED THERE IS A LITTLE WIGGLE ROOM IN THE HOUSING AND THE NATE TO GET THESE DONE AND REPUBLICANS DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO ATTACH THEIR NAMES ON TO THESE.

BUT I DON'T THINK THERE IS A DEMOCRATTING NOW WHO WOULD WILLING TO SAY'S PUMP THE BRAKE ON THIS AND WAIT A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

THIS IS SOMETHING THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.

THEY HAD A LITTLE BUT OF SHORES RECENTLY WITH VOTES WHERE THEY EITHER DON'T HAVE ALL MEMBERS PRESENT SO WAITING FOREVER AND YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE A MEMBER WHO WON'T GET ONBOARD WITH THE TAX CUTS SO NOW WE NEED REPUBLICANS.

THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE THE DEMOCRATS CAN REALLY SHOW THEY ARE UNLINE AND WANT TO MAKE CHANGE AND TO THE POINT THAT YOU MADE EARLIER, WHERE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS DO NOT AT ALL INCLUDE ANYTHING THOUGH SCHOOL SAFETY TAX FORCE.

THESE ARE BROADER THE SCHOOL SAFETY TAX FORCE.

PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG WOULD HAVE DONE NOTHING TO CURRENTLY STOP WHAT MEND AT MSU THESE ALL PERTAIN TO K12ENTUTIONS THEN GIVEN THE FACT MSU IS A PUBLIC UNIVERSITY NONE OF THAT WOULD HAVE MATTERED THIS COULD HAVE WHAT HAPPENED BUT WITH THE OVERARCHING GUN LAWS, I MEAN, THIS TAKES INTO ACCOUNTABLE THE INDIVIDUAL WHO CAN BUY A GUN AND GO TO THE K-12 SCHOOL AND DOESN'T SAY IT ROW INCLUDES THE ABILITY TO STILL TAKE UP THE OXFORD-BORN BILLS IF ANYTHING, THIS MAY BE THE START OF A LARGER CONVERSATION.

>> LET ME JUST SAY THAT.

WE ALL LO THAT THE DYNAMIC HAS CHANGED NOW.

THE DEMOCRATS IN CELL UP HERE.

THAT IS NUMBER ONE.

SORT OF.

YEAH.

YEAH.

WITH THOSE SLIM MARGINS I GET IT.

NUMBER TWO, NOT EVEN A HEARING LAST YEAR.

AFTER OXFORD, AN THEN, PLEAS GIVE USES A VOICE IN LANSING.

THE REPUBLICANS SHUT THEM DOWN.

THE AMAZING PART OF THIS STORY I THINK FROM A PUBLIC RELATIONS POLITICAL STABBEDPOINT IS THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF CITIZENS WANT STUFF.

HOW CAN REPUBLICANS IGNORE THAT?

>> WELL, THINK, THAT IS REALLY GREAT QUESTION AND THE CLEAREST POINT IS ONE THING TO SAY YOU ARE GOING TO IGNORE THAT AND ANOTHER THING TO VOTE AGAINST I. I THIS I THAT WE'LL SEE IF SOME OF THESE EBB CANS WHO HAVE BEEN OPPOSED TO THIS OR AUC ABOUT THE IDEA THE ONLY THING WE CAN PASS IS A TAX CUT ON GUN LOCKLONS WE'LL SEE IF THOSE REPUBLICANS THAT WILL ACTUALLY VOTE AGAINST A RED FLAG LAW WHEN AS THE GOVERNOR'S POINTS OUT THEY ARE IN PLACES LIKE FLORIDA OR OTHER PLACES.

>> ED NORTH DAKOTA.

RED STATE.

YEAH.

IN THE OTHER STATES THAT BEEN TRADITIONALLY CONTROLLED BY REPUBLICAN AND INTERESTING TO SEE HOW MANY ACTUALLY DO VOTE IN SUPPORT OF SOME OF THESE THAT HAVE AS YOU JUST SAW, 90% OF SUPPORT AMONG ALL VOTERS OR SUBSTANTIAL SUPPORT.

>> SENATOR, WHEN I SPOKE TO HER BEFORE THE MSU SHOOTINGS ABOUT GUN SAFETY LEGISLATION AND SAID PUBLIC OPINION WAS DRIVING THEIR DECISION TO FOES CAN ON THESE THREE PROPOSALS.

SO THEN MY QUESTION WHICH IS SHALL WHAT HAPPENS TO OTHER PROPOSALS THAT ARE SUPPORTED BY RESEARCH THAT SAY THAT SOME THINGS CAN HEP C URB GUN VAENCE AND DEMOCRATS WHO WANT TO DO WAY MORE THAN THESE THESE ARE THINGS AND LIMIT AND YOU KNOW OPEN CARRY THAT SORT OF STUFF WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE PROPOSELE AS?

>> THE STATE SCHOOL SUPER TENANT DID CHECK AND HIS LIST WAS NOT THREE BUT ADD FOUR MORE INCLUDING BOOING THE AGE FOR BUYING ASSAULT WEAPON THEN I SELL IT TO YOU.

OK. THEN, THIS IDEA OF EX END PAING THE BACKGROUND CHECK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARGUE IS THE KEY ESPECIALLY AT GUN SHOWS WHERE IT IS NO MEN'S LAND AND THE WILD WILD WEST, RIGHT.

WELL, NOT NEGOTIATION ARLEY.

TOOK THIS UP WITH STORY JOHNSON WITH WHOM I TALKED TO.

>> YOU DID RESEARCH ON THIS.

>> I WAS WATCHING.

CAME PREPARED YOU HE.

YOU HAVE ME ON HERE.

HE SAYS WHEN YOU DO A PRIVATE SALE TRANSFER.

WANTED TO GIVE DAU STAT ON A RED FLAG.

HE SAID THERE IS ACTUALLY, OK.

HERE IT IS.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE, TRY TO FIND.

YOU HAVE TO GO THO THE LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT AND GET A DOCUMENT, I AM TRYING TO FIND A PURCHASE PERMIT.

THAT IS.

YOU HAVE TO GET AT PURCHASE PERMIT SO SELLING PRIVATELY A GUN, A HANDGUN, THERE IS A BACKGROUND CHECK.

HAVE TO GO TO POLICE DEPARTMENT, GET THAT PURCHASE PERMIT THAT IS WHERE THEY DO THE BACKGROUND CHECK AND THE SAME WITH GUN SHOWS SO HE SAYS THAT IS SOMEONE OF A MISNOMER.

WHAT I DON'T DO THAT.

IN THIS ARE BREAKING THE RAW.

ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO GOT THE PURCHASE PERMIT.

PEOPLE WILL PLEAD IGNORANCE.

DIDN'T KNOW.

RIGHT.

RATING.

WELL, THERE IS THAT.

LET ME GIVE YOU SOMETHING.

FOUND THIS ASTOUNDING TO GO ABOUTK TO THE RED FLAG LAWS.

NORTH DAKOTA HAS HAD THEM.

ILLINOIS HAS THEM.

CHICAGO OBVIOUSLY IN ILLINOIS.

AND SINCE 2020, 85 UN00 SHOOTINGS THIS AS OF NOVEMBER LAST YEAR.

5800 SHOOTINGS.

16 UP00 DEATHS IN THE CITY OF CHICAGO.

RED FLAG LAW IN EFFECT.

HOW MANY TIMES WAS IT USED?

TEN.

>> FOUR.

>> WOW.

>> PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.

WITH THOSE NUMBERS.

WELL, PEOPLE ARGUED.

>> THAT IS ASTONISHING.

>> MR. McRAE WOULD HE HAD FALLEN UNDER A RED FLAG IF THE FATHER CALLED.

>> OR END.

SOMEONE WHO HAD CONTACT WITH HIM.

KNEW THAT SOMETHING WAS WRONG WITH HIM AND HE HAD ACCESS TO GUNS THAT IS ALL IT STAKE TAKES.

TIM: LET THEY YAP UP THIS SEGMENT IS MSU THE ONE THAT OPENS THE DOORZ IN.

>> I THINK IT IS GOING TO OPEN THE DOOR TO INCREMENTAL CHALLENGES AND WHETHER OR NOT IT WILL OPEN THE DOOR TO SOMETHING BIGGER?

AM I THINK DEMOCRATS WINNING CONTROL ALREADY OPENED THE DOOR.

>> NOT TO COPOUT.

SAME.

THINK THIS WILL, IF ANYTHING, PUSH IT OPEN MUCH FASTER.

>> I HAD PEOPLE SAY, IF NOT NOW, WHEN?

>> I THINK THE KEY TO THIS IS PUTTING POLITICIAN NAMES ON THE RECORD.

PUTTING A YEAH OR NAY UP ON THE BOARD WOULD BE THE TELLING FACTOR.

EVERYBODY IS WATCHING LIKE NEVER BEFORE.

YEAH.

YEAH.

ALL RIGHT TALK ABOUT THE TAX CUT CUT WHICH CLEAR THE MICHIGAN SENATE.

WE POT TO BE CAREFUL HERE.

NOW $80 CHECK IS NOT UNTHE MAIL BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR DOESN'T HAVE THE VOTES TO DO IT RIGHT.

YEAH.

RIGHT.

SO ASZ IN WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH GOING ON THIS WEEK.

THE LEGISLATURE ALSO IN THE SENATE GAVE THE FINAL VOTE ALONG PARTY LINES TO PASS THE DEMOCRATIC TAX CUT AND THE THING WE ARE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE TIME AND THE TIERED REPEAL OF THE PENSION TANGS AND THE BOOST TO THE EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT TO 30% THEN, THEN, YEAH.

AS PART OF THAT TO GET THE CHECKS OUT THE DOOR AND APRIL 18th DEADLINE AND NEED TO BE SENT OUT BEFORE THEM AND THAT IS TAX DAY FOR THOSE WHO WERE IN AWHICH ARE AND THEY NEED TWO THEIRS MAJORITY OF THOSE ELECT THEN SERVING TO VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE THEN, BASICALLY, MEANING THEY NEEDED REPUBLICANS TO GET ONBOARD WITH THIS.

REPUBLICAN VOTES THEY DID NOT GET A SINGLE ONE.

SO THEY ARE HOLING ON THAT NOW AND MANEUVER POTENTIALLY GOING ON IN THE SENATE RIGHT NOW AND WHERE THE DEMOCRATIC SENATORS WANT TO CHANGE THE RULE AND WANT TO SAY, LET'S DO IT LOOK THE HUS AND THE HOUSE, YOU ALSO NEED TWO-THIRDS BUZZ DONE VIA VOICE VET AND NOT HONESTLY IT IS JUST GAVELED THROUGH AND THEY LOOKING TO GET THAT SAME THING DONE AND THEY HAVE LEFT A RESOLUTION ON THE TABLE SAYING REPUBLICANS IF YOU DON'T FIGURE OUT AWA I TO GIVES THE SEX VOTES BEFORE THEN AND GOING TO CHANGE.

THEY HAVE TOLD THE REPUBLICANS EITHER JOIN US OR DON'T.

WE'LL DO THIS ONE WHICH OR THE OTHER.

THE READ WHICH WAS GOING ON?

YEAH.

YEAH.

I THINK THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS EARLIER ABOUT WHAT IS IN THIS PACK AND A WHY THIS DE THINK IT WAY AND FEELS LIKE THERE IS IT CALL TALK POINT ON BOTH SIDES FOR THIS AND IT IS NOT FEEL LIKE A PACKAGE ENGINEER TO GN A LOT OF REPUBLICAN SUPPORT AND I MEAN FOR EXAMPLE THERE IS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS FOR THE STORE CONTINUED WHICH IS GIVEN AWAY TO LARGE CAP PROSECUTIONS WITH WHICH REWITH SEEN REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN OPPOSED TO THEN OF COURSE, WE KNOW, THOSE $180 CHECKS POTENTIALLY STOP THIS AUTOMATIC THING TAKE ROLLBACK.

WHICH THE REPUBLICANS DID OF COURSE.

SO TO PUT THAT TOGETHER.

THEN, TO TO BE STUNNED THERE MAY NEED TO BE A RULE CHANGE IS A LITTLE BIT ODD, RIGHT.

THE THAT DEMOCRATS DIDN'T EXPECT TO FIND THOSE SIX REN CAN VOTE ON THIS THEN, WE KNOW THIS.

WE HAVE SEEN THIS AT THE FEDERAL REVEL HEN, CHANGING RULES HOW CAN HAVE DRAMATIC IMPACT ON IF THE CHAMBER CHANGES IN THE FUTURE THEN THINK WE HAVE SEEN IN THE HOUSE WHERE THEY HAVE APPROVED OR DONE SOMETHING ELSE AND DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTE THEN A OR NOT OUR DEMOCRACY SHOULD OPERATE THAT WAY.

SENATOR IRWIN IN THE HOUSE AND PROTESTED THE FAST DAV VERY ON FACT IT AND WENT AND HE FILED A COMPLAINT THE HOUSE CLERK AND THEN, MADE ALSO, NOW IN THE SENATE, THEY NEED HIS VOTE.

WHAT IS MR. IRWIN DO.

DOES HE SAY, DO I BELIEVE WHAT I BELIEVE BACK IN THE OR A CHAN OF HEART YOU KNOW WHAT THERE IS A HISTORY IN THE SENATE OF NOT TAKING A RECORD ROLL CALL VOTE YEARS AGO HE WAS THE SECRETARY THEN I WAS THERE AND WATCHED THING AND TALKED TO JOHN CHERRY WHO WASES A STAFFER AND FORM ARE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR AND WE WOULD STAND IN THE BACK OF THE CHAMBER AND PIECE OF PLASTIC HE WOULD BANG PIT ON THE THING THEN SAID ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I SAY 32.

OK.

HE NEVER COUNTED THEM.

CHERRY SAID WHAT WAS THE MADGE K IN THAT PLASTIC THAT ALLOWED HIM TO COUNT SO THERE IS A HISTORY IN THE HE SENATE OF ELIMINATING THAT RULE AND DOING IT ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES IT IS IMPLEMENTED ON CLOSE LEGISLATION SO THEY COULD DO THIS AND GET FLAKING IF THEY CHANGE THE RULE.

WELL, YEAH.

I MEAN.

FOR ONE.

WELL HERE IS WHY JOE SIX PACK SHOULD CARE THE CONTUSION SAYS YOU NEED A TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY, RYK.

AND SO, PEOPLE ALMOST EVERY POLITICIAN THAT RUN FOR ANY OFFICE SAID THEY WANT TO CHANGE WHATEVER THEY ARE IN ARING FOR AND WANT TO CHANGE LANSING AND CHANGE THE SWAM.

HOLD THE CONSTITUTION.

YEAH THEN GO UP TO PLAY OBVIOUS GAMES WITH HOW A VOTE IS COUNTED THEN THE CONSTITUTION IS SUPPOSED TO DO ON A PARTISAN VOTE IS SOMETHING THAT VOTERS TEN TO, WHEN TALK TO VOTERS ABOUT WHY THEY DON'T LIKE POLITICIANS DEM CRA OR REPUBLICANS THE FEED PANK YOU GET.

AM NOT SURE THAT TRICKLES DOWN TO THE DYNAMIC TABLE AND I GOT, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU SAY IS CORRECT BUT I AM NOT SURE IT TRICKLES OUP.

MY PERSPECTIVE IS WE KNOW POLITICS LIVE FOR THE DAY.

THEY DO WHAT GEGETS THEM THROUGH THE DAY.

LONG TERM, LONG RANGE VISION AND DOESN'T NECESSARILY EXIST.

RIGHT.

>> I THINK YOU MAY BE RIGHT F. ALL RIGHT.

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YOU HEARD IT HERE.

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