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Feb. 12, 2024 - Full Show
2/12/2024 | 26m 48sVideo has Closed Captions
A WTTW News analysis finds the city has spent just 29% of the COVID-19 relief money meant to transform Chicago. The push to eliminate subminimum wage expands to Illinois. And why you can’t buy cars on Sundays.
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I'M PARIS SHOTS.
HERE IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING WTW NEWS ANALYSIS FINDS THE CITY HAS SPENT JUST 29% OF THE COVID RELIEF MONEY MEANT TO TRANSFORM CHICAGO.
THE PUSH TO ELIMINATE SUB-MINIMUM WAGE EXPANDS TO ALL OF ILLINOIS.
>> SUPREME COURT HOPEFULLY WILL BE DOING SOMETHING IN TERMS OF.
HELPING OUR COUNTRY AND PRESERVING DEMOCRACY.
>> AS THE NATION WAITS FOR A RULING ABOUT KEEPING TRUMP ON THE BALLOT.
THE FORMER PRESIDENT FACES A DEADLINE TO MAKE HIS IMMUNITY CLAIM.
>> RUN TO THE GROCERY STORE.
MAKE A TRIP TO THE HARDWARE STORE BUY A NEW CAR.
NOT SO FAST.
NOT ON SUNDAY.
AND IF YOU'VE GOT THE ITCH TO BUY A NEW CAR AFTER VISITING THE AUTO SHOW, OUR SERIES WDW NEWS EXPLAINS TELLS YOU WHY YOU CAN'T DO IT ON SUNDAY.
>> AND NOW TO SOME OF TODAY'S TOP STORIES.
THE FORMER ILLINOIS HOUSE SPEAKER'S LONGTIME RIGHT-HAND MAN GETS 2 AND A HALF YEARS IN FEDERAL PRISON.
FORMER MADIGAN CHIEF OF STAFF TIM MAPES WAS HANDED THE SENTENCE IN U.S. DISTRICT COURT TODAY AFTER HIS CONVICTION FOR LYING TO A FEDERAL GRAND JURY THAT WAS INVESTIGATING HIS BOSS MAD AGAIN.
IT'S THE LATEST IN A LINE OF CONVICTION STEMMING FROM A BRIBERY SCHEME WHERE COMED AND TOP COMPANY EXECUTIVES AND LOBBYIST TRADED FAVORS WITH MADIGAN IN EXCHANGE FOR FAVORABLE LEGISLATION.
MANNEQUINS TRIAL ON BRIBERY.
ALLEGATIONS HAS BEEN DELAYED UNTIL OCTOBER.
THE MAYOR'S OFFICE OFFERED CONDOLENCES TODAY TO THE FAMILY OF MOST RECENT CHICAGO MARATHON WINNER.
KELVIN KEEP THEM KEEP THEM.
AND HIS COACH DIED IN A CAR ACCIDENT LATE THIS WEEKEND IN KENYA.
CAPTAIN SET THE WORLD MARATHON RECORD AT LAST YEAR'S CHICAGO MARATHON WITH A TIME OF 2 HOURS.
AND 35 SECONDS.
WELL, THAT LENOX ORGANIZATION SAYS IT OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED HISTORIC ACCOMPLISHMENT JUST LAST WEEK AND THAT KEPT HIM LEAVES AN INCREDIBLE LEGACY.
AND UP NEXT, CITY LEADERS ARE LEAVING COVID CASH ON THE TABLE.
A LOT OF IT.
THAT'S RIGHT AFTER THIS.
>> CHICAGO TONIGHT IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART THE ALEXANDRA AND JOHN NICHOLS FAMILY.
THE GYM AND K MAYBE FAMILY.
THE POPE BROTHERS FOUNDATION.
AND THE SUPPORT OF THESE DONORS.
>> CHICAGO SPENT JUST 29% OF THE FEDERAL RELIEF AND CITY OFFICIALS PROMISE TO USE TO STRENGTHEN THE SOCIAL SAFETY AFTER THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC BY THE END OF 2023.
THAT'S ACCORDING TO A WDW NEWS ANALYSIS OF 2 YEARS WORTH OF REPORTS TO FEDERAL OFFICIALS REVEALS THAT CITY OFFICIALS HAVE STRUGGLED TO MAKE GOOD ON PROMISES TO USE THE INFLUX OF CASH TO HELP THOSE STRUGGLING TO RECOVER FROM THE PANDEMIC.
WTW NEWS REPORTER SEAN JOINS US NOW WITH MORE ON HER EXCLUSIVE REPORTING ON THIS.
HEATHER, LET'S START WITH WHAT CITY OFFICIALS HAVE SPENT FROM CHICAGO.
NEARLY 2 BILLION DOLLAR SHARE OF THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT.
WHAT MONEY IS GOING WELL, BACK IN 2021 WHEN THIS MONEY STARTED TO FLOW, THE CITY COUNCIL AND THEN MAYOR LORI LIGHTFOOT ESSENTIALLY DIVIDED IT IN 2 PARTS.
ONE PART NEARLY 1.4 BILLION DOLLARS WAS USED TO SHORE UP THE CITY'S PANDEMIC DEVASTATED BUDGET BY REPLACING THE TAX REVENUE THAT DIDN'T FLOW WHEN THE WORLD WAS SHUT DOWN.
>> THE OTHER 550 MILLION DOLLARS WAS SET ASIDE TO PROVIDE DIRECT SERVICES TO CHICAGOANS WHO ARE HIT HARD BY THE PANDEMIC.
IT WAS MEANT TO INCREASE THE SUPPLY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO INCREASE AVAILABLE MENTAL HEALTH CARE AND TO KEEP VIOLENCE FROM SPIRALING.
EVEN MORE OUT OF CONTROL AS IT DID DURING THE PANDEMIC OF THAT 550 MILLION, ONLY 160 MILLION HAVE BEEN SPENT BY THE END OF 2023 OR JUST 29% ALDERMAN MATT MARTIN, WHO ALSO HAD A CREATED 2021 TO KEEP TABS ON TOLD YOU THIS JUST SPENT THE BULK OF THIS ALREADY WHEN THE PANDEMIC WAS RAGING, ESPECIALLY.
SO WHY WASN'T?
WELL, I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE.
THERE WAS A LOT OF RED TAPE AND IT WAS DIFFICULT FOR THE CITY TO FIND NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT COULD DO THIS WORK AND THEN EVEN ONCE THE NONPROFITS HAD THE CONTRACTS, IT WAS DIFFICULT FOR THE NONPROFITS TO HIRE PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY DO THE WORK.
BUT THAT DOESN'T EXPLAIN WHY MONEY THAT WAS EARMARKED FOR THE CITY TO EXPAND ITS OWN OPERATIONS HASN'T BEEN SPENT, ESPECIALLY ON SOMETHING LIKE THE COMMUNITY SAFETY COORDINATION CENTER, WHICH IS DESIGNED TO GET TO THE ROOT CAUSES OF CRIME.
AND IT MIGHT BEEN CRAFTED BY MAYOR LIGHTFOOT, BUT THAT IS VERY CLEARLY IN LINE WITH WHAT MAYOR JOHNSON WANTS TO DO.
AND IT'S NOT CLEAR WHY IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
AND CITY OFFICIALS NOW THE REMARK ALL THE FEDERAL COVID-19 RELIEF FUNDS BY THE END OF THE YEAR THAT TO SPEND EVERY CENT OF IT BY 2020 16.
WHAT IS THE CURRENT MAYOR'S PLAN TO DO THAT?
WELL, BUDGET DIRECTOR AND THAT GUZMAN TOLD ME THAT ONE OF HER FIRST JOBS FROM MAYOR JOHNSON WAS TO FIX THIS PROGRAM AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE TO GIVE UP A SINGLE RED CENT OF THIS MONEY BACK TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
SHE SAYS THAT ANALYSIS IS UNDER WAY RIGHT NOW AND IT WILL BE PRESENTED THE CITY COUNCIL PERHAPS AS EARLY AS EARLY SPRING.
THAT WILL GIVE JOHNSON A CHANCE TO TWEAK THIS PROGRAM.
BUT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME LEFT FOR HIM TO OVERHAUL THE PROGRAM THAT HE'S NOW GOING TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR IMPLEMENTING EVEN THOUGH IT WAS CRAFTED BY HIS PREDECESSOR, RIGHT, HEATHER?
GREAT REPORTING.
THANKS VERY MUCH.
THANKS FOR US.
AND YOU CAN READ HEATHER'S FULL STORY ON OUR WEBSITE.
IT'S ALL A WTW DOT COM SLASH NEWS.
>> NEXT, A MAJOR CHANGE COULD BE IN THE WORKS FOR MANY ILLINOIS WORKERS.
SO PLEASE STAY WITH US.
A SEPARATE MINIMUM WAGE FOR TIPPED WORKERS.
IT'S ON ITS WAY OUT IN CHICAGO.
NOW.
SOME ILLINOIS LAWMAKERS WANT THE REST OF THE STATE TO FOLLOW SUIT.
A NEW PROPOSAL ALL TIPPED WORKERS WOULD HAVE TO BE PAID THE EQUIVALENT OF THE STATE'S REGULAR MINIMUM WAGE THROUGH WAGES AND TIPS TO TIPS FALL SHORT.
THE COMPANIES WOULD HAVE TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE AND JOINING US TO SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS ON THIS STATEWIDE PROPOSAL OR THE TALK ERODES, A NATIONAL LEAD ORGANIZER FOR ONE FAIR RANGE WAGE RAGE, PURE RAGE IN FOR ONE FAREWELL FOR H I GUESS.
AND PAT DOOR, THE DIRECTOR OF THE HOSPITALITY BUSINESS ASSOCIATION OF WELCOME TO BOTH OF YOU.
WE SHOULD MENTION THAT THE TIPPED WAGE ACROSS THE STATE RIGHT NOW IS 8.40, VERSUS A $14.
MINIMUM WAGE AND THAT AKIA.
WHAT DOES THIS BILL CALLED FOR?
HOW IS IT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S BEEN PUT IN PLACE IN CHICAGO?
>> WELL, BILL IS GOING TO BE FOR ALL WORKERS IN ILLINOIS'S.
SO THAT'S THE BIG DIFFERENCE.
IT DOES IS RIGHT NOW IS JUST CHICAGO, 2 WORKERS THAT'S GOING INTO EFFECT THIS YEAR.
THIS CAMPAIGN IS FOR THE INSIDE.
HIS STATE OF ILLINOIS IS A BASICALLY IF YOUR TIP WORKER.
>> AND YOU MAKE A 40 AND YOU MAKE TIPS, BUT IT DOESN'T EQUAL THE MINIMUM WAGE.
THEN COMPANY HAS TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE MAKING AT LEAST A MINIMUM WAGE, RIGHT?
ABSOLUTELY.
HAVE A HOUSE TAKING ON FORCE THAT OUT.
SO WE'RE DO THE LABOR FAR TO IT FOR AS A.
>> TO MAKE SURE THAT WORKERS GET THEIR BUT THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM RIGHT NOW.
>> IS WAY STAFF IS HARD WORKERS TO KEEP UP TO SAY LIKE, MY WAGE IS BEING IS NOT BEING MADE TIPS IN HAVE YOU HAVE TO TRACK FARE AND THEN SOME IMPOSE MY LIFE NOW I DID MAKE IT A BLAH, BLAH, THIS ANNETTE.
SO WE NEED ACROSS THE BOARD MINIMUM WAGE STARTING AT $15 AN HOUR WITH TIPS ON WRITE THAT RESTAURANTS AND OTHER BUSINESSES.
WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS?
>> WELL, JUST DECIMATED.
THE WAGE THEFT CLAIM.
THEY'RE ROBUST, FEDERAL AND STATE PROTECTIONS ALREADY WHERE THOSE WORKERS CAN REPORT TO THE ILLINOIS DEPARTMENT OF LABOR OR OTHER AGENCIES AND BRING PROSECUTIONS.
AND WE'VE SEEN HIGH-PROFILE PROSECUTIONS FOR THAT TO GET THOSE WRONGLY TAKEN WAGES REPAY TO THOSE WORKERS.
THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL IN UPTOWN ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THERE ARE PROTECTIONS IN PLACE FOR THESE WORKERS AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE UNDER THIS PROPOSED LEGISLATION.
WHAT OUR MAIN ISSUE IS WE HAVE NOT YET RECOVERED TO PRE-PANDEMIC LEVELS OF EMPLOYMENT OR BUSINESS IN THIS INDUSTRY.
ONCE YOU ACCOUNT FOR INFLATION, THE AVERAGE WEEKLY BARTENDERS SERVERS ARE UP 30% SINCE THE START OF THE PANDEMIC INFLATION.
THAT'S EVEN MORE THAN INFLATION.
SO WE FEEL THAT THE ECONOMY IS DECENT, BUT UNTIL WE'RE SELLING AS MUCH EMPLOYING AS MANY PEOPLE HAVE AS MANY PLACES IN CHICAGO IN ACROSS THE STATE.
THIS IS GETTING ANOTHER BARRIER TO FULL RECOVERY OVER HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY.
WHEN YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT TIPS TO MOST TEMP WORKERS.
>> MAKE BELOW THE STATE MINIMUM WAGE AFTER TIPS.
>> NOT OUTSIDE.
THAT'S CALLED A TRUE UP.
WHEN THAT HAPPENS.
I KNOW THE CHICAGO COOK COUNTY MARKET.
IF YOU SEE IT ALL, IT'S SOMETHING LIKE A POLAR VORTEX NOBODY COMES OUT YOUR RESTAURANT AND THE SERVERS ARE READY.
MOST OF THE PAYROLL PROGRAM SEE SMALL BUSINESSES USE ARE GREAT FOR CATCHING THAT TO MAKE SURE THE EMPLOYERS NOW ARE THERE.
DEFINITELY BAD ACTORS.
SURE.
AND THEY SHOULD BE PROSECUTED BY THE CITY AND THE STATE.
BUT IT'S A VERY RARE OCCURRENCE AND PEOPLE PREFER TO TIP.
THERE'S A LOT OF RESEARCH SAYING, ELLEN, I CONSUMERS PREFER.
THE TIPPING OPPORTUNITY TO A SERVICE CHARGE JUST ON A TRACK.
WHAT ABOUT THAT?
AND TALKING PEOPLE PREFER TO TIP IF THEY KNOW THERE'S A 10 MINIMUM WAGE, MAYBE THEY'LL BE LESS LIKELY SO IF YOU KNOW THAT I'M MAKING $15 AN HOUR.
>> TEARS ARE NOT GOING EXACTLY.
BUT WE HAVE DOES THAT THIS IS THE OLD TALKING POINTS OF THE ILLINOIS RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION.
>> EVERY TIME WE SAY WE WANT TO RAISE WAGES.
THEY ALWAYS WANT TO CUT TO WORK OUT.
SINCE THE WORKERS HAVE WENT ON THE GREAT RESIGNATION WORKERS, DO NOT WANT TO WORK FOR LOW WAGES.
NORMAL ACROSS THE BOARD.
WHEN MEN, 75% OF THE INDUSTRY'S MADE OF WOMEN.
THIS CAMPAIGN IS BASED ON WHEN IT WAS A HIGHER WAGE FOR THEIR FOR THEIR WORK.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT TIPS.
THIS IS ABOUT THE WAGE NEEDS TO BE RAISED AND EVERY IN 2018, THE GOVERNESS I TO GO RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE.
HE CUT TO WORK THIS DURING THE PANDEMIC.
THE GOVERNOR EVEN HAVE WHEN YOU ALL WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS AND THIS AND THAT THE GOVERNOR SAY, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE, WE ALREADY CUT TO WORK OUT LIKE OVER AND OVER.
YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE CUTTING OUT OVER.
75 1% OF WOMEN HAD ANYONE TO JUMP IN WITH THIS.
THAT AND THAT THE WAY WE WERE CLOSE INDOOR DINING FOR THE BETTER PART OF THE YEAR.
THAT WAS TOUGH ON THE SERVERS AND THE OWNERS WERE ON IT TOGETHER.
>> FOR THE NEW TOGETHER, WHEN IT COMES TIME TO RAISE THE WAY WE WILL WHEN IT COMES AND IT TAKEN CARE OF YOUR FAMILIES WHEN IT COMES TIME.
SO WORKERS BEING ABLE FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU ALL ABLE 3 POINTS GREAT WORK.
AND VARIANCE IN THE WEST COAST.
HE'S BEEN.
>> THAT THE CONSUMERS AT FULL-SERVICE RESTAURANTS, CABLE CROSS TIP LAST.
>> THAT'S ACROSS THE BOARD UP AND DOWN THE WEST CONSUL.
WE'RE GOING TO FOR A AT WHAT ABOUT I MEAN, COULD COULD CAUSE P HANDED DOWN TO CONSUMERS.
AND IF THE IF THIS, IF RESTAURANTS ARE HOSPITALITY, BUSINESS HAVE TO SHOULDER, WE HAVE EXCEPTIONAL INFLATION AND MY PERSONAL OPINION IS WHEN WE GET TO THE $20 TALK ON BURGER, WE REACHED A TIPPING POINT WITH CONSUMERS WHERE THEY FEEL IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE.
>> WE HAVE PROPERTY TAXES.
WE HAVE THE HIGHEST MEAL TAXES IN CHICAGO.
LAND IN THE COUNTRY AND OTHER TAXES ALL HAVE TO BE DIGESTED.
BUT MY LONGER CONCERNED WITH THIS THERE HAVE TO BE THAT JUST A MY BIGGER CONCERN HERE AND THE BIG STOMACH, IT COULD BE IF YOU LOOK AT WEST COAST EMPLOYMENT, WE HAVE FEW OR WORKERS PER CAPITA IN THESE INDUSTRIES.
YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE DISNEYLAND IN CALIFORNIA.
YOUR HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY WANTS I MEAN, THEY GET MORE WORKERS BACK TO CALIFORNIA HAS TO TO KNOW YOU SAID WATER.
>> YOU SAY A FLORIDA?
I'M SORRY.
I DID.
I HELP OR THERE'S FEWER WORKERS PER CAPITA IN THESE INDUSTRIES.
SO THE GOAL REALLY THE DIFFERENCE WHERE WE HAVE AN HONEST U.S.
DISAGREEMENT IS IS IT BETTER PAYING JOBS FOR A SLIGHTLY FEWER PEOPLE?
WE'RE MORE GOOD PAYING JOBS FOR MORE PEOPLE AND MOST SMALL BUSINESSES.
AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CHAIN OPERATOR STAND ON THE SIDE OF LETS EMPLOYERS.
MANY PEOPLE ARE DECENT WAGES.
WE CAN'T AND PUNISH BAD ACTORS.
BUT COULD THIS BRING MORE PEOPLE BACK TO THE INDICES?
AS I KNOW, IT'S STILL NOT RECOVER TO PRE-COVID LEVEL IN TERMS OF A SERVERS AND HOSPITALITY WORKERS AND THAT'S THE CARROT TO GET THEM BACK.
I DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE THE STATES WITH THE WORST, ALMOST UNCONSCIONABLE SUB $3 WAGE HAVE BROUGHT BACK FOR MORE JOBS FAR FASTER THAN AND WHETHER THAT WAS BECAUSE THEY REOPEN FASTER DURING THE PANDEMIC OR NOT.
IT'S HARD TO SAY, BUT OUR RECOVERY IN EMPLOYMENT HAS LAGGED STATES WITH THE LOWEST WAGES, TALKING WITH THIS BE LIKE CHICAGO, WHERE, YOU KNOW, CHICAGO, THEY TO GO.
SHE ATION WITH THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY.
SO IT'S GOING TO PHASE IN OVER 5 YEARS WOULD BE WOULD THAT BE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR WITH THE YEAH, DEFINITELY.
LOOK >> COLUMN COMPROMISE.
I MEAN, NOT COMPROMISE.
WHEN AGO AT THE STATE LEVEL.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE OUR BILL AND WE DID THE BILL BUT TO SAY THAT THIS BILL THAT THE RESTAURANT OWNERS DON'T WANT IT, THEY DO WANT IT.
WANTS THEY THEY WORK.
THE WORKERS ARE GOING TO BE COIN COMING TO CHICAGO TO WORK THE REST OF WANT.
OWNERS IN CICERO WANTS ONE FAIR WAGE SO THEY DO WANT IT.
AND THAT'S THE PRESS CONFERENCE.
>> WELL, THEY'RE BILL SAYS 2 YEARS, WHICH IS A VERY SHORT FACE AND BUT CHICAGO HAD A HIGHER MINIMUM WAGE FOR THE LAST 5 YEARS IN THE STATE.
WE DID NOT SEE.
THE MAYOR SAYS ROSE PROJECTED EXODUS OF WORKERS, CHICAGO, YOU WORK WHERE YOU ARE BECAUSE OF LOCATION ACCESS YOUR KIDS, FAMILIES.
THERE'S A BUNCH OF REASONS WE WERE AHEAD OF THE SUBURBS FOR A LONG TIME AND IT DID NOT MOVE THE NEEDLE ON EMPLOYMENT MUCH.
WHAT HAS MOVED THE NEEDLE.
A SENSE ONE FAIR WAGE WAS ON THE TABLE CITY HALL.
EMPLOYMENT IN THIS INDUSTRY HAS NOT GROWN AT THE RATE IN CHICAGO.
IT HAS AND THE REST STATE.
WELL, THIS IS THE BAY.
WE'RE GOING TO KEEP A WATCHING THE TURKEY ROADS, PAT OR WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.
BUT THANK YOU BOTH FOR JOINING VERY SPIRIT A SEMI.
AND UP NEXT, 2 KEY CASES.
IT COULD HAVE A MAJOR ELECTION IMPACT.
>> REST >> IN PEACE.
BOB EDWARDS KEEPING TRACK OF FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP'S LEGAL TROUBLES CAN BE A FULL-TIME OCCUPATION.
THE CURRENT REPUBLICAN FRONTRUNNER FACES 91 FELONY COUNTS AND MULTIPLE CIVIL CASES.
THIS PAST THURSDAY, HE WAS THE SUBJECT OF SUPREME COURT HEARINGS OVER COLORADO'S RULING TO THROW HIM OFF THE BALLOT BASED ON ITS READING OF THE 14TH AMENDMENT.
WHAT'S AT STAKE IN THIS LANDMARK DECISION AND OTHERS JOINING US TO DISCUSS ALL OF THIS ARE CAROLYN SHAPIRO, PROFESSOR OF LAW AND CO-DIRECTOR, THE INSTITUTE ON THE SUPREME COURT.
IT IS CHICAGO CAN'T COLLEGE OF LAW AND STEVEN SCHWINN OF THE UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS CHICAGO SCHOOL OF LAW.
WELCOME BOTH OF VIA ZOOM.
SO I GUESS WE SHOULD START HERE WITH THE FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT'S TEAM, THE FORMER PRESIDENT'S TEAMS, HAS OFFICIALLY FILED ITS APPEAL ON THIS ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY REJECTION THAT IT GOT IN THE JANUARY 6 CASE OF THE PUCK, WHAT THEY'RE THEY'RE PULLING OUT OF THE SUPREME COURT COUNT.
SHAPIRO WHATS GOING.
IT'S GOING TO DO.
AND WHEN THEY'RE GOING, WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO DO IT?
>> WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAS ACTUALLY ASKED US TO DO IS WHAT'S CALLED STAY THE MANDATE.
SO DC CIRCUIT SAID WERE GOING TO ISSUE THE MANDATE TO MAKE THIS CASE.
GOT TO OUR JUDGMENT, GO INTO EFFECT RIGHT AWAY AND WHAT THE PRESIDENT FORMER PRESIDENT IS ASKING SUPREME COURT TO DO IS NOT LET THAT HAPPEN.
IT'S ACTUALLY NOT AN APPEAL JUST YET.
SO THE SUPREME COURT ACTUALLY COULD JUST DENY THIS APPLICATION.
AND I THINK THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THEY'LL DO THAT BECAUSE THIS IS CASE.
IT'S NOT A HARD CASE.
THIS ISSUE IS NOT A HARD ISSUE.
IT'S NOT PLAUSIBLE THAT HE'S ABSOLUTELY IN USE.
AND IF THE SUPREME COURT JUSTICE SAYS WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING ENTERTAIN THAT AT THIS TIME.
MAYBE LATER THEY'LL BE AN APPEAL.
WHATEVER THE TRIAL CAN GO FORWARD IN THE DC DISTRICT COURT.
>> AND SO STEVEN CHU IN, DO YOU THINK THAT'S GOING MIGHT DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN RELATIVELY SHORT ORDER AND THEN ALSO SPEAK SORT OF TO THE EXTRAORDINARY ARGUMENT THE TRUMP TEAM MADE THAT SOMEHOW THAT HE SHOULD HAVE ABSOLUTE CRIMINAL IMMUNITY.
>> OH, MY GOODNESS.
THIS IS TRULY A BREATHTAKING ARGUMENT THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS PUT FORWARD.
WHAT HE'S CLAIMING BASICALLY IS THAT PRESIDENT AND FORMER PRESIDENT IS ABSOLUTELY CATEGORICALLY FROM CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR ACTS TAKEN WHILE IN OFFICE WHILE IN OFFICE.
AND FOR ALL TIME THEREAFTER, IT'S BASICALLY A GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD FOR ANYBODY ELECTED PRESIDENT.
ANY TIME THE DC CIRCUIT WAS RIGHT TO FLATLY REJECTS THAT CLAIM AND DID SO IN A SOLID RULING THAT WAS UNIFIED.
IT WAS CURIOUS DECISION NOT SIGNED BY THE INDIVIDUAL JUDGES BECAUSE THEY WERE ABLE TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT ABOUT THE WRONG OF THIS I DO EXPECT THE SUPREME COURT TO RULE FAIRLY QUICKLY ON IT AND AS CARELESS.
I THINK IT'S PERFECTLY THAT DON'T SIMPLY JUST CONTINUE TO ONLINE.
>> TO ALLOW THIS CASE TO GO FORCES SO CARELESSLY DON'T GO AHEAD.
STILL GOING GOOD.
FINISH THEIR MISSIONS.
GOING TO SAY THAT CLAIM IS SO BREATHTAKING THAT THE SUPREME COURT SOME POINT HAS TO REJECT AND KELLEN SHAPIRO.
IS THAT MEAN PRESIDENT KNOWN?
THREAT IS CLEAR, CLEAR TO DELAY TO APPEAL, TO TRY AND DELAY JUSTICE AND A LOT OF SITUATIONS.
IS HE OUT OF DELAY TACTICS HERE AND LATE MARCH A TRIAL DATE STILL BE POSSIBLE?
DO YOU THINK?
>> IF THE SUPREME COURT ACTS QUICKLY, I LATE MARCH TRIAL DATE IS REALISTIC.
CERTAINLY EARLY APRIL, THE JUDGE CHECK AND I THINK WANTS TO MOVE THE EXPEDITIOUSLY.
AND I THINK SHE WILL.
THE SUPREME COURT.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OUT THERE THEIR OWN.
THERE'S NOWHERE TO GO.
IF THE SUPREME COURT SAYS NO.
HERE NOW, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I THINK THEY WILL DO.
IT'S WHAT I THINK THEY SHOULD DO.
IT'S POSSIBLE THEY WILL DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
>> WE AND OF COURSE, THAT TRUMP HAS 3 ON THAT COURT.
STEPHEN, WHAT ABOUT THE EXTRAORDINARY SITUATION OF THIS TRIAL DOES GO FORWARD IN MARCH OR APRIL, IT RESOLVES SOME POINT AFTER THIS, OF COURSE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HIS ROLE IN JANUARY 6 IN THE INSURRECTION.
I JUST WONDER IF YOU CAN SORT OF SPEAK TO THE EXTRAORDINARY NATURE OF OF HAVING A POTENTIALLY A CONVICTED CANDIDATE TO RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
OBVIOUSLY NOTHING IN THE CONSTITUTION.
IT SAYS HE STILL CAN'T RUN.
>> NO, OF COURSE HE COULD.
SO, THE POLLING SUGGESTS THAT IF HE WERE TO RUN AFTER A CONVICTION THAT HIS SUPPORT WOULD DROP DRAMATICALLY AS WE ALL REASONABLY EXPECT.
BUT YES, HE COULD STAY ON THE BALLOT.
>> ALL RIGHT.
LET'S HAVE A GOOD TURN TO THE THE SUPREME COURT HEARD ON FOR REMOVING TRUMP FROM THE BALLOT.
FRAUD FROM COLORADO ARE APPEALED BY THE TRUMP TEAM FROM COLORADO.
LET'S HEAR FROM COMMENTS FROM CONSERVATIVE AND LIBERAL JUSTICE.
THEY SEEM TO SIGNAL THEY WILL NOT REMOVE TRUMP FROM THE BALLOT.
FIRST JUSTICE SAMUEL ALITO.
>> IT WILL BE CONFLICTS AND DECISIONS AMONG THE STATES TO DIFFERENT STATES.
WELL, DISQUALIFY DIFFERENT CANDIDATES BUT I'M LIKE GETTING A LOT OF HELP FROM YOU HOW.
>> THIS WOULD NOT BE IN A MANAGEABLE SITUATION.
>> AND HERE'S THAT JUSTICE ELENA KAGAN.
>> I SHOULD A SINGLE STATE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THIS DETERMINATION NOT ONLY FOR THEIR OWN CITIZENS, BUT FOR THE REST OF THE NATION.
>> CAROLYN SHAPIRO, CERTAINLY SOUNDS LIKE THIS COURT IS AT LEAST CLOSELY WE GO INTO A RULE WITH TRUMP AND OVERTURN THAT COLORADO RULING.
IS THAT WHAT YOU ANTICIPATE?
>> CERTAINLY WHAT IT SOUNDED LIKE AFTER OR AT THE ORAL ARGUMENT.
AND THINK THERE ARE GOOD REASONS FOR THE COURT TO TRY VERY HARD TO DO A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE IS TO ISSUE AN OPINION THAT AT LEAST IN RESULT, IF NOT IN REASONING, IS AS CLOSE TO UNANIMOUS AS THEY CAN GET.
AND ANOTHER IS TO ISSUE A RULING THAT ACTUALLY SETTLES THE QUESTION OF WHETHER HE'S ELIGIBLE NOW OPPOSED TO LEAVING IT OPEN 4 TO HANG OVER THE HEADS OF THE OF THE VOTERS OF OF THE THE ELECTORATE AND AND ULTIMATELY KICK IT TO CONGRESS ON JANUARY 6, 2025, I THINK DOING THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.
AND I THINK THAT THEY ARE LIKELY TO.
I HOPE IT WILL RESOLVE IT DEFINITIVELY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
>> AND STEVEN CHU DO GIVEN THEIR QUESTIONS IN THE TONE HERE THAT THEY'RE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE 14TH AMENDMENT HERE TO COLORADO MAKE A PRETTY COMPELLING CASE.
>> ONE OF MY OWN VIEW, COLORADO MADE EXTRA NEARLY COMPELLING CASE IN A THOROUGH RECORD, A THOROUGH TRIAL AND VERY, VERY THOROUGH OPINION.
BUT AS CAROLINE SUGGESTED, I THINK THE COURTS MOVING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION HERE.
IT'S LOOKING TO SOME KIND OF NATIONAL UNIFORMITY AS OPPOSED TO A STATE BY STATE APPROACH.
AND IT SEEMS THAT THE COURT IS LOOKING TO DOCK THE CORE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER TRUMP ENGAGED INSURRECTION AND LEAVE THAT QUESTION INSTEAD TO CONGRESS.
>> ALL RIGHT.
A LOT TO WADE THROUGH CAROLYN SHAPIRO, STEVEN SCHWINN, AS ALWAYS, WE APPRECIATE YOU JOINING US.
THANKS SO YOU BET.
AND UP NEXT, WHY A WEEKEND SHOPPING TRIP FOR A NEW CAR MIGHT NOT BE IN THE CARDS.
BUT FIRST, WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE WEATHER.
>> ELECTRIC VEHICLES MAY BE ALL THE RAGE AT THE AUTO SHOW.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO BUY A CAR OF ANY KIND OF STATE OF ILLINOIS HAS PUT UP A ROADBLOCK FOR YOU.
OUR NIC BLOOMBERG HAS THE DETAILS IN OUR LATEST EDITION OF WTW NEWS EXPLAINS.
>> THE WEEKEND, THE PERFECT TIME TO KNOCK A FEW ITEMS OFF THE OLD TO DO RUN TO THE GROCERY STORE, MAKE A TRIP TO THE HARDWARE STORE BUY A NEW CAR.
NOT SO FAST.
NOT ON SUNDAY SINCE THE 1980'S, IT'S BEEN ILLEGAL FOR CAR DEALERSHIPS TO OPERATE ON SUNDAYS IN ILLINOIS.
WHY?
WELL, SOME OWNERS AND EMPLOYEES WANTED TO SHUT DOWN TO SPEND TIME WITH THEIR FAMILIES OR FOR RELIGIOUS REASONS, BUT AND PAY ATTENTION.
THIS IS THE KEY.
THEY DIDN'T WANT THEIR COMPETITORS TO OPEN AND HAVE A CHANCE TO STEAL BUSINESS.
THE FIRST ATTEMPTS TO CLOSE DOWN DEALERSHIPS ON SUNDAYS DATE BACK TO THE 50'S AND 60'S.
BUT THOSE LAWS NEVER MADE IT OFF THE LOT.
THEY WERE VETO STRUCK DOWN COURTS.
BUT SINCE 1984, ILLINOIS CAR DEALERS MUST CLOSE THEIR DOORS ON SUNDAYS.
ILLINOIS ISN'T ALONE A DOZEN OTHER STATES DON'T ALLOW SUNDAY CAR SALES EITHER.
IT'S A VESTIGE OF SO-CALLED BLUE LAWS.
BARRING CERTAIN ACTIVITIES ON THE BASIS OF RELIGION LIKE, SAY, BUYING A SPORTS CAR ON THE 7TH.
THE RELIGIOUS ANGLE IS ONE REASON ILLINOIS'S BAN HAS BEEN CHALLENGE MULTIPLE TIMES.
ONE ALTERNATE PROPOSAL STILL RESTRICTING CAR SALES TO 6 DAYS A WEEK, BUT A LOT OF DEALERSHIPS TO WHICH DAY THEY TAKE OFF SINCE, FOR EXAMPLE, JEWS AND MUSLIMS DON'T OBSERVE A DAY OF REST PRAYER ON SUNDAYS.
SOME PRO BUSINESS GROUPS ARGUE THE LAW RESTRICTS FREE COMMERCE.
BUT SO FAR, ILLINOIS THIS SUNDAY CAR SALE BAN ON THE BOOKS WOULD BE TEST DRIVES OFF THE ROADS.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A HOT DEAL ON A NEW SET OF WHEELS, YOU'LL HAVE TO LOOK OTHER DAY.
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