TORI: IT WAS THE MURDER BEFORE THE BOMBING.

THREE PEOPLE KILLED IN A WALTHAM APARTMENT AND ONE REPORTER BELIEVES MARATHON BOMBER TAMERLAN TSARNAEV WAS INVOLVED.

I WILL TALK TO HER ABOUT HER NEW BOOK AND THE INVESTIGATION TO CONNECT THE DOTS.

THEN, AI IS BEING USED TO CREATE PORNOGRAPHIC IMAGES OF PEOPLE WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT AND TAYLOR SWIFT IS FAR FROM THE ONLY TARGET.

HOW ARE LAWMAKERS RESPONDING?

TWO YEARS AND A FEW MONTHS BEFORE TAMERLAN TSARNAEV SET OFF TWO BOMBS AT THE BOSTON MARATHON FINISH LINE, THREE MEN WERE MURDERED AT A HOME IN WALTHAM.

THE CASE FELL OUT OF THE NEWS CYCLE BUT A LOCAL JOURNALIST AND FRIEND OF ONE SUSAN ZALKIND OF THE VICTIMS SUSAN ZALKIND KEPT DIGGING.

SHE HAS DISCOVERED LINKS BETWEEN ONE OF THE BOMBERS AND THE WALTHAM MURDER VICTIMS AND RAISED THE QUESTION, IF LAW ENFORCEMENT HAD DUG DEEPER, COULD THEY HAVE PREVENTED THE BOSTON MARATHON BOMBINGS?

SHE LAYS IT OUT IN HER NEW BOOK THE WALTHAM MURDERS.

SHE JOINS ME NOW.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

YOU HAVE MADE CONNECTIONS, I THINK EVERYBODY REMEMBERS THE BOSTON MARATHON BOMBING, 2013.

BUT THERE WAS THIS OTHER CASE YOU HAVE DRAWN CLEAR CONNECTIONS TO.

CAN YOU TAKE US TO 2011 AND EXPLAIN THE ROUGH OUTLINE OF WHAT HAPPENED?

SUSAN: YOU HAVE THE BOSTON MARATHON BOMBING WITH TAMERLAN TSARNAEV AND HIS YOUNGER BROTHER.

SEPTEMBER 11, 2011, THERE WAS A HORRIFIC TRIPLE HOMICIDE IN WALTHAM.

THREE MEN FOUND WITH THEIR THROAT SLIT, MARIJUANA DUMPED ON THE BODIES, CASH STREWN AROUND THE CRIME SCENE.

THIS WAS A VERY UNUSUAL MURDER AND ONE OF THE VICTIMS WAS BRANDON MASS DOT WHO HAD BEEN -- BRANDON MASS WHO HAD BEEN BEST FRIENDS AND SPARRING PARTNERS WITH TAMERLAN TSARNAEV.

THE OTHER WAS A FRIEND OF MINE.

THE THIRD WAS THE SON OF A PROMINENT JEWISH SPIRITUAL LEADER IN THE BOSTON COMMUNITY.

TORI: AT THE TIME YOU WERE AT NEW ENGLAND CABLE NEWS WHICH IS NOW NBC.

YOU WERE LOOKING FOR YOUR NEXT BIG STORY BECAUSE YOU HAD BEEN DOING A LOT OF CRIME REPORTING.

YOU’RE RIGHT ABOUT HOW YOU THOUGHT IT WAS -- THE REACTION WAS VERY STRANGE INITIALLY.

EVEN BEFORE YOU KNEW YOU HAD A PERSONAL CONNECTION, WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION TO HEARING ABOUT THIS?

SUSAN: I WAS AN ASPIRING CRIME BEAT REPORTER.

I HAD THE FIRST JOB OUT OF COLLEGE WORKING THE OVERNIGHT SHIFT, AND THERE’S A LOT OF THINGS I DO NOT KNOW.

BUT I WAS FAMILIAR WITH CRIME IN THE BOSTON AREA.

THERE WAS THIS MURDER THAT BROKE ACROSS THE WIRE, TRIPLE HOMICIDE, VICTIMS, THROAT SLIT.

I THOUGHT THIS WAS AN UNUSUAL CASE, IT’S A QUIET SUBURBAN COMMUNITY AND I FOUND OUT ONE OF THE VICTIMS WAS MY FRIEND AND I THOUGHT I WAS DONE WITH CRIME REPORTING FOR GOOD.

TORI: YOU TOOK A STEP BACK.

THEN WHAT HAPPENS?

SUSAN: THE BOSTON MARATHON BOMBING HAPPENS.

EVERYONE IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT WAS A HUGE EVENT, YOU HAVE A BOMBING AND YOU HAVE THE MANHUNT.

WHEN IT TURNED OUT THE PERPETRATORS WERE TAMERLAN TSARNAEV AND DZHOKHAR TSARANEV, THAT IS WHEN I FOUND OUT ABOUT THE CONNECTION.

I WAS WONDERING WHAT IS NEXT?

THE WHOLE WORLD IS LOOKING AT BOSTON.

MEMBERS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT ON EVERY LEVEL ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS CASE.

IT WAS HORRIBLE BUT I THOUGHT MAYBE WE WILL HAVE ANSWERS.

IF THERE IS A CONNECTION BETWEEN TAMERLAN TSARNAEV AND THE 9/11 11 BRUTAL MURDER OF HIS FRIEND.

WHAT HAPPENED INSTEAD WAS ONE MONTH LATER, LAW ENFORCEMENT, AN FBI AGENT, TWO MASSACHUSETTS STATE TROOPERS LED BY THE MIDDLESEX COUNTY DAS OFFICE, SHOT A MAN DEAD IN HIS OWN HOME, IBRAGIM TODASHEV, WHILE THEY WERE QUESTIONING HIM ABOUT THE HOMICIDE.

THERE WERE SOURCES, BUT ALL ANONYMOUS, THAT HE CONFESSED AND IMPLICATED TAMERLAN TSARNAEV AND HIMSELF IN THE MURDERS.

NO ONE WAS SAYING THIS ON RECORD.

WAS IT TRUE?

WHY WAS IBRAGIM KILLED?

THAT IS THE POINT WHERE I AS A YOUNG JOURNALIST WITH A CONNECTION TO THIS CASE, I COULD NOT LOOK AWAY AGAIN.

I MADE A PROMISE TO MYSELF TO STICK WITH THIS CASE, TO PUSH IT FORWARD AS FAR AS I COULD AND TO TELL THE STORY AS FAIRLY, ACCURATELY, AND THOROUGHLY AS I WAS ABLE.

HERE I AM.

THE BOOK IS NOT OFFICIALLY OUT YET.

TORI: WHEN DOES IT COME OUT?

SUSAN: IT IS AVAILABLE NOW.

THIS IS A SOFT LAUNCH.

IT IS AVAILABLE ON AMAZON AS PART OF THE AMAZON FIRST READS PROGRAM.

SO IT IS FREE FOR A MONTH.

I WANT THE STORY TO GO OUT THERE, I WANT PEOPLE TO READ.

IT IS NO COST RIGHT NOW.

GO READ THE BOOK.

TORI: YOU HAVE DONE THIS HULU DOCUSERIES ABOUT THIS.

WHEN I FIRST MET YOU I WAS IN COLLEGE DOING A STORY ABOUT IBRAGIM TODASHEV BECAUSE IT WAS VERY STRANGE.

THERE WORK AND PUTTING REPORTS.

IT WAS A VERY STRANGE MURDER.

IT WAS ABOUT A STABBING.

IN YOUR HULU SERIES YOU SAID IT WAS PERSONAL.

THEY SAID IT WAS A DRUG CRIME, THERE WAS MARIJUANA ALL OVER THE BODIES.

THERE WERE SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.

AS LONG AS I HAVE KNOWN YOU, OVER A DECADE, YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS.

THIS BOOK, YOU WROTE THIS IS -- I THINK THAT I HAVE -- THIS IS WHAT I HAVE NOW.

THIS IS WHAT I HAVE COME UP WITH IN TERMS OF FINALLY KIND OF PUTTING OUT -- HAVING A FEELING OF SOME CLOSURE ON THIS I SUPPOSE.

SUSAN: WE HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER, YOU INTERVIEWED ME ABOUT THIS STORY.

TORI: 2013.

SUSAN: YOU WERE A STUDENT REPORTER.

TORI: THAT IS HOW LONG YOU HAVE BEEN ON THIS.

THIS BOOK IS YOUR OPUS.

I WONDER WHAT YOU FOUND THAT HIS NEW IN THE CASE OR WHAT THE CHANGES ARE.

WHAT YOUR NEW THEORIES ARE.

IN THE BOOK THAT MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE, OK.

I HAVE PUT THIS OUT THERE.

THIS IS A QUOTE FROM YOUR BOOK WHERE YOU SAID, THESE ARE MY THEORIES.

I HAVE THE EVIDENCE -- I THINK THE CHAPTER IS CALLED EVIDENCE.

IF THERE WERE HOLES IN THIS THEORY I WOULD BE DUTY-BOUND BY MY OWN CONSCIENCE IF NOTHING ELSE TO REVEAL THEM TO YOU.

THAT WAS THE POINT OF TURNING THIS INTO A MEMOIR.

THE REASON I INSERTED MYSELF, THIS STORY COULD END WITH MY FAILURE BUT I WOULD NOT HAVE TO WARP THE FACTS TO FIT A NARRATIVE THAT IS NOT TRUE.

YOU’VE BEEN SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH IN THE FACE OF MISINFORMATION.

WHAT DID YOU FIND THAT MADE YOU CONFIDENT TO SAY I AM PUTTING THIS OUT?

SUSAN: TAMERLAN TSARNAEV AND IBRAGIM TODASHEV DID IT.

I ESTABLISH THAT IN THE DOCUSERIES.

THERE IS MORE IN THE BOOK.

THERE’S FINANCIAL RECORDS, THE FACT HIS WIFE TOLD ME THAT IBRAGIM LEFT BOSTON TWO DAYS AFTER THE MURDER.

HE HAD A LOT OF MONEY.

THERE IS INFORMATION AFTER INFORMATION, PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT TOGETHER -- THERE’S NO OTHER LOGICAL CONCLUSION.

TORI: AS SOMEONE WITH A CLOSE CONNECTION, YOU’VE TALKED ABOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH ERIK.

WAS IT FRUSTRATING FOR YOU OVER THE LAST DECADE BUT EVEN IN THE YEARS RIGHT AFTER THE STABBING TO SEE THE RESPONSE FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT?

WE LEARN LATER THEY HAD BEEN FOLLOWING -- THEY HAD RECORDS AND THE FBI HAD BEEN FOLLOWING TAMERLAN TSARNAEV FOR YEARS PRECEDING THE BOMBING.

SUSAN: ABSOLUTELY.

IBRAGIM TODASHEV AND TAMERLAN TSARNAEV KILLED THOSE MEN.

THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED.

THERE ARE QUESTIONS WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THE BOMBING AND BEFORE IT.

WHY IS IT UP TO ME, A JOURNALIST AND FRIEND OF ONE OF THE VICTIMS, TO PUT FORTH THESE ANSWERS?

THE DOCUSERIES LOOKS AT THE FEDERAL CASE, THE DEATH PENALTY TRIAL, WHY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES MAY NOT HAVE PUT PRESSURE ON MIDDLESEX COUNTY TO GET ANSWERS AFTER THE FACT.

POTENTIALLY THERE IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

WITH THE BOOK LOOKS AT CAREFULLY IS WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE THE BOMBING.

IF THEY CAUGHT TAMERLAN TSARNAEV AFTER THE TRIPLE HOMICIDE, THE BOSTON MARATHON BOMBING MAY NEVER HAVE HAPPENED.

I THINK THIS IS A CRIME STORY, USUALLY WHEN PEOPLE THINK ABOUT CRIME STORIES, THEY THINK ABOUT WHITEY BULGER.

THE VILLAINS THAT WERE AT LARGE IN ARE GRANDPARENTS HEYDAY.

THERE’S A LOT OF GREAT STORIES.

THIS STORY TAKES PLACE IN GREATER BOSTON, SUBURBIA, AND THERE’S A STORIED HISTORY OF CRIME HERE AS WELL.

MY BOOK, I LOOK INTO THAT FURTHER AND I FIND THAT THE VICTIMS AND MEMBERS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT TASKED WITH INVESTIGATING THEIR CRIME WERE PART OF THE SAME CRIMINAL MILL YOU.

-- MILEU.

BASICALLY WHAT THEY ARE ASKING IS FOR THE PUBLIC TO TRUST THEY ARE DOING THEIR JOB.

WITH NO OVERSIGHT.

FOR A DECADE.

WITH A MURDER CASE THAT IS CONNECTED TO THE BOSTON MARATHON BOMBING.

I THINK THAT IS -- THAT RAISES SERIOUS QUESTIONS.

TORI: WHAT ARE YOU HOPING WILL COME OUT AS A RESULT OF THIS BOOK AND THIS RESEARCH?

SUSAN: THERE’S ANOTHER PART OF THE STORY AS WELL.

I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WOMAN WHO FOUND THE BODIES AND HER OTHER DEAD LOVERS.

THAT WAS PART OF THE STORY, TOO.

SO FAR AS WHAT IS NEXT FOR ME, AM I GOING TO DEVOTE MY WHOLE LIFE TO THIS IN THE SAME WAY?

NO.

BUT NOR AM I GOING TO TURN AWAY.

I DO NOT THINK IT SHOULD BE UP TO ME TO PROVIDE THOSE ANSWERS.

NOTHING I WRITE OR SAY CAN EVER TAKE THE PLACE OF A STATEMENT FROM PEOPLE IN AUTHORITY.

THE MIDDLESEX DAS OFFICE STARTING WITH JERRY LEONE, IT WAS PASSED ON TO MARIAN RYAN WHO HAS SPENT DECADES IN THAT OFFICE , PART OF THE INITIAL INVESTIGATION, STILL TASKED WITH THE CASE NOW.

ATTORNEY GENERAL MARTHA COAKLEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET INVOLVED AFTER THE BOMBING.

THE VICTIMS FAMILIES ASKED HER TO.

SHE DID A REVIEW OF MIDDLESEX.

SHE SHOULD BE DOING A REVIEW OF HER OLD COLLEAGUES, HER OLD OFFICE WHILE SHE WAS RUNNING A CAMPAIGN.

THAT NEVER HAPPENED.

THE NEXT AG WAS MAURA HEALEY.

I ASKED ARE YOU GOING TO LOOK AT THIS?

SHE SAID SHE WAS NOT.

TORI: SHE SAID SHE WAS NOT.

SUSAN: NO.

WHEN SHE WAS AG HER OFFICE TOOK NO INTEREST IN GETTING INVOLVED IN THIS CASE IN ANYWAY.

TORI: BECAUSE IT IS NOT HER DISTRICT?

SUSAN: IT COULD BE HER DISTRICT.

THE MASSACHUSETTS STATE LAW SAYS THE AG HAS OVERSIGHT OF ALL OF THE DA’S.

THERE USED TO BE MORE GOVERNMENT IN MIDDLESEX, COUNTY GOVERNMENT.

THAT DISSOLVED IN THE 1990’S.

IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR OVERSIGHT, THAT WOULD BE.

THE AG.

.

TORI: SHE’S THE GOVERNOR NOW SO I THINK YOU ARE HOPING SHE WILL LOOK INTO IT IN THAT CAPACITY.

SUSAN: I’M HERE TO TELL THE STORY AS TRUTHFULLY AND HONESTLY AS I AM ABLE.

WE SHOULD BE ASKING IF IT IS OK FOR RDAS NOT TO HAVE OVERSIGHT AND TO REMEMBER WE ELECT THESE PEOPLE INTO OFFICE.

TORI: THERE IS SO MUCH HERE AND IT IS SO COMPREHENSIVE AND YET THERE ARE THINGS YOU LEFT OUT.

BUT I THINK -- HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS COMING OUT AFTER THIS LONG DECADE?

SUSAN: WE ARE NOT OFFICIALLY DOING PUBLICITY NOW.

I AM STILL VERY MUCH PROCESSING.

THERE’S A LOT OF GRIEF.

THERE IS SOME SATISFACTION HERE JUST KNOWING I DID MY BEST AT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.

TORI: THE WALTHAM MURDERS, ONE WOMAN’S PURSUIT TO EXPOSE THE TRUTH BEHIND A MURDERER AND A NATIONAL TRAGEDY.

SUSAN ZALKIND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

WHEN ALARMING AI JENNIFER -- AI GENERATED PORNOGRAPHIC IMAGES OF TAYLOR SWIFT BEGAN CIRCULATING, OUTCRY WAS QUICK BUT IT IS FAR FROM THE FIRST TIME IMAGES LIKE THESE HAVE BEEN USED TO TARGET WOMEN ONLINE.

SO WHAT ARE LAWMAKERS PLANNING TO DO?

I’M JOINED BY HALEY LERNER, GBH NEWS ASSOCIATE PRODUCER FOR ARTS AND CULTURE.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT REVENGE POOR -- REVENGE PORN.

THIS IS BECOMING A SERIOUS PHENOMENON.

WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT, CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THIS HAPPENS?

HAILEY: DEEPFAKES HAVE BEEN A THING FOR A WHILE WHERE PEOPLE CREATED FALSE IMAGES OF OTHER PEOPLE.

WITH AI IMAGE GENERATORS YOU CAN PUT A PHOTO IN OF ANYONE, REQUESTED TO BE A CERTAIN WAY, ANYTHING CAN POP UP.

THOSE CAN BE PORNOGRAPHIC IMAGES OF WHOEVER, MASHED UP WITH ANY ARTISTIC IMAGERY.

THIS CAN BE DONE WITH ANY IMAGE OF ANYONE.

VERY FAST.

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE SKILL TO DO IT.

TORI: PEOPLE WERE DOING THIS WITH IMAGES OF TAYLOR SWIFT AND MADE IT SO YOU COULD NOT SEARCH OR ON THE WEBSITE BECAUSE IT WAS SO PERVASIVE.

AN ACTRESS ON DANCING WITH THE STARS, SHE’S ONLY 17 YEARS OLD, HERE IS A CLIP OF HER TALKING ABOUT HAVING AI DEEPFAKES OF HER ONLINE AND NOT BEING ABLE TO TAKE IT DOWN.

>> IT WAS NOT LIKE SOMETHING THAT WAS MIND-BOGGLING.

MORE LIKE, WHY IS IT SO HARD TO TAKE DOWN?

THAT WAS MY WHOLE THOUGHT.

WHY IS THIS ALLOWED?

I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS WEIRD.

IN MY MIND I KNEW IT WAS NOT ME.

I DID NOT -- IT DID NOT MESS WITH ME OR ANYTHING.

IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT FELT REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE BECAUSE I COULD NOT TAKE IT DOWN.

TORI: THIS IS NOT JUST AFFECTING CELEBRITIES.

THIS IS HAPPENING TO PEOPLE EVERYWHERE.

HAILEY: THERE WAS A CASE IN NEW JERSEY OF A HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT WHO SAID SHE AND 30 OTHER OF HER CLASSMATES, PEOPLE WERE MAKING PORNOGRAPHIC IMAGES OF THEM AND THEY WANTED ACTION.

THIS IS A RISK TO EVERYBODY.

WITH PUBLIC FIGURES LIKE THIS, VERY PERVERTED FANS CAN MAKE THESE TYPES OF IMAGES, IT CAN BE DONE TO ANY NORMAL PERSON, TOO.

.

TORI: YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT FRANCESCA MANI.

THREE DOZEN -- SEVERAL DOZEN OF HER CLASSMATES WERE SUBJECTED TO THIS.

SHE LIVES IN NEW JERSEY WHERE IT IS ILLEGAL, REVENGE PORN IS ILLEGAL.

MASSACHUSETTS AND SOUTH CAROLINA ARE THE ONLY STATES WHERE IT IS NOT.

CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT IS IN PROCESS?

WHY IS THAT THE CASE AND WHAT ARE LEGISLATORS DOING ABOUT IT?

HAILEY: RIGHT NOW REVENGE PORN, IN MANY CASES IT IS RETAKE IT IS RETAKE SEXUALLY EXPLICIT IMAGES OF SOMEONE WHICH COULD BE TAKEN CONSENSUALLY AT THE TIME, AND SHARE WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT.

IN THE MASSACHUSETTS HOUSE, A BILL JUST PAST, IT IS GOING TO THE SENATE, AND THIS WILL MAKE REVENGE PORN ILLEGAL.

THERE IS A STATUTE THAT HAS A LINE ABOUT AI CREATED IMAGES SO IT IS NOT JUST AN ACTUAL IMAGE THAT CAN BE A CASE OF REVENGE PORN.

A FALSE IMAGE CAN HAVE THE SAME DAMAGE IS A REAL ONE.

TORI: YOU SPOKE TO THE DEMOCRAT REPRESENTING PITTSFIELD.

SHE SPOKE TO YOU ABOUT HOW SHE IS LOOKING INTO THE LAW AND HOW IT IMPACTS VICTIMS.

>> WE ARE CONSIDERING IT A VERY SERIOUS OFFENSE.

IT IS REALLY A VIOLATION OF A PERSON.

TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

REMEMBERING THAT EVEN WITH THESE HIGH PROFILE CASES IN THE LAST FEW DAYS THAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING ABOUT, YES, SOME OF THE BIGGER COMPANIES HAVE TAKEN THEM DOWN AND STOPPED THEIR SPREAD, BUT WHEN SOMETHING IS ON THE INTERNET IT IS NEVER GONE.

TORI: AS PART OF PREVENTING DEEPFAKES OF INTIMATE IMAGES ACT, THEY INCLUDED A STATUTE THAT INCLUDES DIGITAL IMAGES OF SOMEONE MADE BY AI.

ANY INDIVIDUAL WHO IS THE SUBJECT OF AN INTIMATE DIGITAL DEPICTION WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THAT INDIVIDUAL MAY BRING CIVIL ACTION AGAINST THAT PERSON IN AN APPROPRIATE DISTRICT COURT.

INDIVIDUALS CONSENT TO THE CREATION OF THE INTIMATE DIGITAL THIS PICTURE AND -- DIGITAL DEPICTION WILL NOT CONSTITUTE CONSENT TO DISTRIBUTION.

HAILEY: RIGHT NOW IT IS NOT ILLEGAL.

THE ONLY LEGAL SOURCE YOU CAN GO THROUGH IS POTENTIALLY HARASSMENT, BUT AS IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME BY SOME LEGISLATORS, HARASSMENT ONLY QUALIFIES IF IT IS REPEATED MULTIPLE OFFENSES.

A SINGLE INSTANCE WOULD NOT QUALIFY.

MANY INSTANCES OF REVENGE PORN WOULD NOT QUALIFY.

THIS MAKES IT ILLEGAL, WHICH CURRENTLY IT IS NOT IN MASSACHUSETTS.

TORI: THIS IS DEVASTATING.

THIS IS SOMETHING I COULD SEE IN A SCHOOL SETTING, SOMEONE THOUGHT WAS MAYBE BENIGN.

THERE’S OBVIOUSLY THESE DEEP THREADS OF SEXISM AND JUST EXPLOITATION, BUT IN YOUR REPORTING YOU TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO TALKED ABOUT HOW MUCH THIS HURTS PEOPLE AND WHY.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT?

IT’S NOT REAL, IT IS A GENERATED IMAGE OF SOMEONE.

WHY IS IT STILL SO PAINFUL?

HAILEY: IT IS STILL AN IMAGE OF YOU IN A SEXUALLY EXPLOITATIVE POSITION.

WHETHER IT IS REAL, OR NOT, OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT THINK IT IS REAL.

THIS CAN CAUSE HARM TOWARD SOMEONE.

IT CAN ENCOURAGE SEXUAL VIOLENCE TOWARDS THEM BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SEEING THESE HORRIFIC IMAGES OF YOU OUT THERE AND SO IT REALLY CAN HAVE AN EFFECT ON YOUR JOB.

THEY MAY NOT KNOW IT IS FAKE, THAT IS HOW REALISTIC THINGS CAN BE.

IT HAS A REAL IMPACT.

TORI: IT IS INTERESTING TO THINK ABOUT YOUR INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY OR IDENTITY WHEN WE THINK ABOUT HOW SO MANY OF THE SAG ACTORS WHO WERE JUST ON STRIKE WERE FIGHTING TO NOT ENTER DEALS WHERE THEY WOULD BE SELLING THEIR IMAGE.

DO YOU THINK THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE TECHNOLOGY MOVING FASTER THAN LEGISLATION OR THAN WE CAN REGULATE IT?

HAILEY: IT IS A REAL VIOLATION OF YOUR PERSONAL IMAGE AND WITH HOW MUCH EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE WORLD IS ON SOCIAL MEDIA, YOUR IMAGE IS OUT THERE AND PEOPLE CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH IT.

IN THIS STATE RIGHT NOW THERE ARE NO REPERCUSSIONS FOR THAT.

TORI: HALEY LERNER, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND FOR YOUR REPORTING.

THAT IS IT FOR TONIGHT BUT COME BACK TOMORROW FOR TALKING POLITICS.

ADAM REILLY WILL TALK TO STATE REPRESENT OF CHINA TYLER AND GBH’S SARAH BETANCOURT ABOUT THE STATE TURNING THE MELNEA ACCOUNTS RECREATION COMPLEX INTO A MIGRANT SHELTER.

PLUS SHOULD THE BOSTON GLOBE HAVE RUN A RECENT COLUMN ON VERMONT FOR MEDICAL AID IN DYING AFTER THEY FOUND OUT ABOUT THE REPORTER’S PERSONAL INVOLVEMENT IN THE STORY?

THAT AND MORE TOMORROW AT 7:00.

THANK YOU FOR WATCHING.

I’M TORI BEDFORD.

GOOD NIGHT.

>> I AM DEEP IN THE LYNN WOODS INSIDE THE BELLY OF THE BEAST, DUNGEON ROCK.

SOME SAY THIS PLACE IS SERIOUSLY HAUNTED.

DO YOU WORRY IT IS ACTUALLY HAUNTED?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> OTHERS, THAT IT HIDES THE TREASURE OF 17TH-CENTURY PIRATE THOMAS VEAL.

>> THIS ROCK BECOMES HIS DUNGEON.

>> IT WAS DUG BY A MAN WHO BELIEVED HE WAS BEING LED RIGHT HERE FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE.

SO THERE’S A SUPPOSEDLY HAUNTED CAVE HERE IN LYNN.

WE ARE GOING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SPOOKY STORY AND BEGINS RIGHT HERE.

>> WE LEARNED ABOUT DUNGEON ROCK AS KIDS FOR SURE.

IT IS A COMPELLING STORY.

>> IN THE MID-1800S THE WOODS ENTERED AN OMINOUS CHAPTER FOR COMING A HOTBED OF THE PARANORMAL, THINK TO A MASSACHUSETTS MAN NAMED HIRAM MARBLE, A MEMBER OF A SOCIAL RELIGIOUS MOVEMENT CALLED SPIRITUALISM.

>> THEY HAD MEDIUMS THAT BELIEVED THEY COULD SPEAK TO PEOPLE THAT ARE PASSED ON.

SO HIRAM MARBLE WOULD USE THESE MEDIUMS.

>> MARBLE PURCHASED THE LAND BECAUSE HE BELIEVED HE WAS BEING LED THERE BY ONE SPIRIT IN PARTICULAR, THE GHOST OF A PIRATE FROM THE 1600S NAMED THOMAS VEAL.

>> STORIES HAVE IT THAT THERE WAS A PIRATE WHO ENDED UP TAKING UP SHOP THERE, HIDING WITH HIS TREASURE.

AN EARTHQUAKE HAPPENED AND HE WAS SEALED IN THE CAVE WITH THE TREASURE, ALLEGEDLY.

>> THE PIRATE STORY FIRST APPEARED IN PRINT NEARLY TWO CENTURIES AFTER IT SUPPOSEDLY HAPPENED.

SOON, VERSIONS BEGAN POPPING UP ALL OVER.

IT WAS AGAINST THIS BACKDROP THAT HIRAM MARBLE AND HIS SON EDWIN WOULD SPEND 30 YEARS WILL ENDLESSLY DEKING -- RELENTLESSLY DIGGING A CAVE IN SEARCH OF THE REMAINS OF THOMAS WIELAND AND IS BURIED TREASURE.

A CAVE IS STILL THERE TODAY.

DUNGEON ROCK.

WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN JOINING ME FOR A TRIP TO THE PIRATE CAVE?

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE STILL GO TO DUNGEON ROCK.

I’M NOT ONE OF THEM.

>> YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN INSIDE?

WHY?

>> IT CREEPS ME OUT.

>> DO YOU WORRY IT IS ACTUALLY HAUNTED?

>> FOR SURE.

I DO NOT NEED TO ENCOUNTER THE SPIRIT.

>> AT THE EDGE OF THE WOODS, TODAY, A 2200 PARK -- 2200 ACRE PARK.

WE MET UP WITH RANGER DAN SMALL, OUR GUIDE INTO THE HEART OF HIRAM’S UNHOLY OBSESSION.

>> THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL NOT GO IN.

20 YEARS AGO I HAD AN ASSISTANT RANGER, HE WAS A RUGGED GUY BUT HE WOULD NOT GO IN.

>> AS THE STORY GOES, ONE NIGHT IN 1658, A MYSTERIOUS SHIP APPEARED IN THE BAIT.

FOUR MEN INCLUDING THOMAS VEAL WERE SEEN ROWING FROM IT UP THE SAUGUS RIVER.

>> HE HAD THE TREASURE WITH HIM.

>> THREE OF THE PIRATES WERE CAPTURED BY AUTHORITIES BUT THOMAS VEAL ESCAPED.

>> HE RAN UP HERE WITH THE TREASURE.

BEHIND THIS BIG ROCK THERE IS A NATURAL CAVE.

>> AND THERE HE LIVED UNTIL A GREAT EARTHQUAKE STRUCK AND COLLAPSED HIS MAKESHIFT ABODE.

>> THAT IS WHY IT IS CALLED DUNGEON ROCK.

THIS IS THE PIRATES DUNGEON BECAUSE A BOULDER HAS TRAPPED HIM.

>> AS FOR THE VERACITY OF THIS YARN.

>> THERE WERE PIRATES IN THIS AREA.

THERE WAS A GUY NAMED TOM VEAL.

>> BUT WHILE THERE ARE FIRST-HAND RECORDS OF EARTHQUAKES IN 1638 AND 1663, THERE WAS NOT ONE IN 1658.

>> ANOTHER MAJOR FAULT WITH THIS STORY IS NOWHERE BEFORE 1850 OR 1840 IS THERE ANY REFERENCE TO THIS AREA BEING CALLED DUNGEON ROCK.

>> TRUE OR NOT, HIRAM MARBLE WHOLEHEARTEDLY BELIEVE THE TAIL.

AS FOR PEOPLE TODAY.

>> I HAVE FOUND RITUALLY KILLED CHICKENS, CANDLES AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT WERE SET UP.

IT IS EASY TO DISMISS IT ALL AS A HOAX.

THE REALITY IS A LOT OF PEOPLE STILL BELIEVE THERE IS SOMETHING GOING ON HERE AND WHO AM I TO SAY THERE IS NOT?

>> OUT OF EXCUSES AND REASONS TO STALL, IT WAS TIME TO ENTER THIS LITERAL UNDERWORLD.

INSIDE, IT IS COLD, DAMP, AND DARK.

THE TUNNEL IS ERRATIC.

>> THEY WOULD HOLD SÉANCES IN THE CAVE.

THE GHOST WOULD APPEAR AND SAY GO RIGHT, GO LEFT.

THAT IS WHY IT MAKES ABRUPT CHANGES.

>> ENDED ABRUPTLY ENDS 174 FEET FROM THE START WITH TWO STAGNANT POOLS OF WATER.

WE HAVE A TRUSTEE GHOST METER HERE.

IT RUNS ON NINE FULL BATTERY SO I’M NOT SURE HOW MUCH OF A GHOST METER IT CAN REALLY BE BUT WE ARE GOING TO TURN IT ON AND SEE WHAT WE FIND.

THE NEEDLE SEEMS TO BE DOING APSLEY NOTHING.

IN ANY DIRECTION.

A LITTLE BOUNCE HERE.

HONESTLY WHAT WAS THAT?

TURNS OUT IT WAS JUST SOME KIDS MESSING WITH US.

>> THAT WAS LEGITIMATELY TERRIFYING FOR A MOMENT.

IN THE END THERE WAS NO GOLD, THERE WERE NO GHOSTS.

A DISAPPOINTMENT THE MARBLES MIGHT RELATE TO.

HIRAM PASSED AWAY IN 1868.

EDWIN KEPT DIGGING UNTIL HIS DEATH IN 1880 AND IS BURIED IN AN UNMARKED GRAVE STEPS FROM THE CAVE’S ENTRANCE.

THEY DID NOT FIND THE TREASURE EITHER BUT IN AWAY, THEY DID GET WITH THEY WERE LOOKING FOR.

>> EDWIN AND HIRAM’S PLANE FROM THE START WAS THAT IF THEY EVER FOUND THE MONEY, THEY WERE GOING TO BUY ALL THIS LAND AND TURN IT INTO A PARK FOR THE PEOPLE OF LYNN.

>> TODAY IT IS EXACTLY THAT.

THEIR MAN-MADE CAVE AT DUNGEON ROCK IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC WHENEVER THE WEATHER ALLOWS.

SO YES, YOU CAN SEE IT FOR YOURSELF.

IF YOU DARE.