THE ADMINISTRATION IS THREATENING LEGAL ACTION AND COULD PULL STATE FUNDING.

BUT FIRST, IT HAS BEEN TWO YEARS SINCE RUSSIA LAUNCHED ITS LATEST INVASION OF UKRAINE, AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SHOULDER -- OF SOLDIERS HAVE TRIED TO FEND OUR FORCES.

THE CRIMINAL LEADER SAYS THEY NEED MORE SUPPORT TO K.. FIGHT BUT HERE IN THE U.S. HOUSE REPUBLICANS ARE REFUSING TO BRING THE LATEST AID PACKAGE.

>> HISTORY IS WATCHING.

THEY WERE TO SUPPORT UKRAINE WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.

ADAM: THE $95 BILLION BILL INCLUDES FUNDING FOR ISRAEL AND TAIWAN.

CONGRESSMAN JAKE AUCHINCLOSS JOINS ME TO DISCUSS THAT.

CAN WE TALK THROUGH THE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE SENATE ON FOREIGN AID ON THE BORDER BECAUSE I FIND IT DISSING TO KEEP TRACK OF WHAT IS GOING ON.

TELL ME IF I HAVE THIS RIGHT.

THE SENATE WAS GOING TO PASS A BILL LINKING FOREIGN AID TO INCREASED BORDER SECURITY.

HOUSE SPEAKER JOHNSON SAID HE WOULD NOT ALLOW A VOTE ON THAT.

THEN THE SENATE PASSED A BILL DEALING WITH FOREIGN AID IN ISOLATION, AND SPEAKER JOHNSON SAID HE WOULD NOT BRING IT TO A VOTE BECAUSE IT DID NOT BRING BORDER SECURITY.

DO I HAVE THE BROAD CONTOURS RIGHT?

REP. AUCHINCLOSS: YOU DO.

WHAT IS DISTRESSING IS SPEAKER JOHNSON SEEMS MORE CONFUSED THAN YOU ARE, DESPITE BEING IN .. DRIVER SEAT.

IT IS COMPLICATED.

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY SIMPLE.

THIS IS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP HAVING CONSUMED THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, AND A LOT OF HOUSE AND SENATE REPUBLICANS WHO KNOW BETTER, WHO WILL TEL..

COLLEAGUES PRIVATELY.. WANT TO SUPPORT UKRAINE ARE AFRAID OF A PRIMARY ..

THEY ARE NOT WILLING TO STICK THEIR NECK OUT.

DONALD TRUMP'S ISOLATION, PROBE PUTIN SYMPATHIES -- PRO-PUTIN SYMPATHIES HAVE -- WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE HAVE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS HEADING TO THE MUNICH SECURITY CONFERENCE NOW.

THAT IS THE PREMIER OPPORTUNITY FOR EUROPEAN AND AMERICAN DEFENSE MINISTERS AND SENIOR OFFICIALS TO COME TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT SECURITY.

THEY ARE GOING THERE AND ABLE TO BRING NOTHING FOR THE UKRAINIAN FIGHT AGAINST RUSSIA.

THE UNITED STATES LOOKS WEAK ON THE WORLD STAGE AND THAT IS ENTIRELY SPEAKER JOHNSON'S FAULT.

YOU THEY HAVE BEEN LOBBIED BY FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP OR THEY WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT THIS BUT FEAR A PRIMARY CHALLENGE?

THEY SAID THAT EXP.. REP. AUCHINCLOSS: YE.. ALSO DO NOT NEED TO SAY THAT EXPLICITLY BECAUSE IT IS CLEAR TO SEE THE DYNAMIC.

DONALD TRUMP SAYS THE QUIET PART OUT LOUD.

ONE ..

HE SAID, DO NOT FIX THE BORDER, I NEED TO CAMPAIGN ON TH.. MITCH MCCONNELL WITHIN THE SPACE OF 24 HOURS SAID WE CANNOT DO THE BORDER NOW, TOOK THAT OUT, CAME TO THE HOUSE AND SPEAKER JOHNSON, WHO WAS AFRAID OF PUTTING UKRAINE ON THE FLOOR FOR ABOUT IS NOW TRYING TO CONFABULATION THAT HE NEEDS THE BORDER IN THERE.

ALL OF THE MANIPULATIONS AND CONFABULATION'S ARE NOT THE POINT, THE POINT IS DONALD..

DOMINATES THIS PARTY, HE IS AGAINST UKRAINE AND WANTS TO MPAIGN ON THE BORDER, AND THEY ARE ALL FOLLOWING SUIT.

ADAM: WHEN I WAS DRIVING IN TODAY, BEFORE WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, I HEARD ON NPR A REPORT THAT MIKE JOHNSON HAS INDICATED TO THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HE ..

PUT THIS BILL UP FOR A VOTE.

IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE HEARING?

REP. AUCHINCLOSS: MIKE JOHNSON IS PLAYING CHESS AGAINST HIMSELF AND LOSING.

I HAVE WORKED IN BUSINESS AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND CONGRESS AND NONPROFIT AND THE MILITARY, I HAVE NEVER SEEN LEADERSHIP THAT IS LESS DECISIVE THAN WHAT MIKE JOHNSON BRINGS TO THE HOUSE FLOOR.

BEING SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE..

COUNTING TO 218, CALLING A PLAY IN EXECUTING THAT PLAY.

MIKE JOHNSON, WHETHER IT IS AUTHORIZATION FOR NATIONAL SECURED INTELLIGEN.. OR BORDER OR FUNDING THE GOVERNMENT HAS CONSISTENTLY SAID ONE THING, SAID THE OTHER .. AND DONE NOTHING, AND BECOMING A NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT.

ADAM: WHAT WILL TH.. BE OR UKRAINE IF THIS $60 BILLION IN AID IS NOT FORTHCOMING?

REP...

LOSE THIS YEAR.

I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHERE THIS WAR STANDS NOW.

UKRAINE HAS THE WILLPOWER TO WIN, BUT IT NEEDS THE FIREPOWER.

THE UNITED STATES IS THE ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD THAT CAN PROVIDE THAT FIREPOWER.

EUROPEAN NATIONS HAVE PROVIDED IN MONETARY TERMS MORE THAN THE UNITED STATES, BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE THE SAME MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX THAT WE HAVE IN THE UNITED STATES.

WE ARE THE ONLY COUNTRY CAPABLE OF SENDING THE MATERIAL UKRAINE NEEDS TO WIN, AND THAT MATERIAL IS A BOOST FOR OUR OWN INDUSTRY AT HOME.

MASS.. THAN A BILLION DOLLARS IN INVESTMENT THAT IS CREATING JOBS AND IS STRENGTHENING THE INDUSTRIAL BASE TO SHIP THE SUPPLIES TO UKRAINE.

THIS IS AN INVESTMENT AT HOME THAT IS AIDING THE FIGHT FOR FREEDOM OVERSEAS.

ADAM: I WANT..

LEGISLATION POSSIBLY WORKING ITS WAY THROUGH CONGRESS, TH..

RELIEF BILL PASSED BY THE HOUSE THAT WOULD DO A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS.

IT WOULD EXPAND THE CHILD TAX CREDIT, THE LOW INCOME TAX CREDIT, PROVIDE SOME CORPORATE TAX BREAKS.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS IN THIS CASE THE HOUSE IS ON BOARD WITH THAT LEGISLATION BUT SENATE REPUBLICANS ARE PUMPING THE BRAKES, IS THAT CORRECT?

REP. AUCHINCLOSS: YES.

LET'S GET MORE INTO THE POLICY, IT IS IMPORTANT FOR MASSACHUSETTS.

THIS BILL DOES FOUR THINGS, IT FIXES A TAXATION ISSUE WITH TAIWAN AND THEIR INVESTMENT IN THE UNITED STATES, THAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE WANT TAIWAN INVESTING IN SEMICONDUCTOR MANUFACTURING AND R&D HERE AT HOME.

IT DOES HOUSING CO.. CHILD TAX CREDIT.

IT EXPANDS A SUCCESSFUL BIPARTISAN PROGRAM TO PRODUCE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

MASSACHUSETTS' NUMBER ONE CHALLENGE IS A LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THIS PROGRAM HIT ON THE S.. FOR MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

IT EXPANDS THE CHILD TAX CREDIT, THAT PUTS MONEY IN THE POCKETS OF WORKING FAMILIES.

SOMETHING ON THE ORDER OF 100 50,000 FAMILIES IN MASSACHUSETTS WOULD BENEFIT FROM THAT DIRECTLY.

IT FIXES A MISTAKE M.. TAX CUTS IN 2017 THAT MADE IT LESS ATTRACTIVE FOR COMPANIES TO DO RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT.

BIOTECH R&D IS OBVIOUSLY A MAINSTAY FOR THE MASSACHUSETTS ECONOMY.

THIS BILL IS A HUGE WIN, I WAS A BIG ADVOCATE FOR IT.

SENATE REPUBLICANS ARE PUMPING THE BRAKES.

SOME OF THAT IS THE HEALTHY DYNAMIC BETWEEN THE CHAMBE..

BOTH WANT A SAY IN IT.

I'M NOT DISTRESSED ABOUT THE ABILITY FOR THIS TO PASS.

FRANKLY, THESE DAYS THE HOUSE IS THE BIGGER HURDLE THAN THE SENATE BECAUSE OF THE SPEAKERSHIP.

ADAM..

SURPRISED THERE MIGHT BE RESISTANCE IN TH..

THIS PAST THE HOUSE BY A WIDE BIPARTISAN MARGIN.

YOU MENTIONED BIOTECH, YOU WERE HERE IN BOSTON LAST WEEK.

IS THE NAME OF IT THE HOUSE SELECT COMMITTEE ON CHINA FOR THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY?

REP. AUCHINCLOSS: FO..

THE LATTER.

YOU ARE RIGHT THAT ON MONDAY THE COMMITTEE CAME TO BOSTON AND CAMBRIDGE FOR HEARINGS ON BIOTECH BECAUSE BIOTECH IS A DOMAIN OF COMPETITION BETWEEN THE CHINESE AND THE AMERIC..

THE CHINESE ARE MAKING BIG INVESTMENTS IN BIOTECH.

SOME OF THAT IS SALUTARY, THEY ARE FUNDING BASIC RESEARCH, WE WANT COUNTRIES TO DO THAT.

SOME OF IT IS NEFARIOUS.

THEY ARE HARVESTING GENETIC INFORMATION WITHOUT CONSENT, DEEPLY UNETHICAL AND.. BECAUSE SOME OF THESE COMPANIES ARE PART OF A CIVIL MILITARY FUSION COMPLEX THAT COULD WEAPONIZE THIS INFORMATION.

ADAM: YOU WROTE AN O.. "THE BOSTON GLOBE" ARGUING THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS UNITED STATES SHOULD DO TO RESPOND ON BIOTECH PAY OR DESCRIBED THE U.S. AS BEING IN THE LEAD BUT THE GAP IS NARROWING.

WHAT ARE THE THINGS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE U.S. D..

RESPONSE, STARTING WITH IMMIGRATION POLICY?

REP. AUCHINC..

THINGS, FIRST OF ALL, TALENT.

THE PHYSICIAN-SCIENTIST, THE BIOMEDICAL ENTREPRENEUR IS REALLY THE MAVEN OF INNOVATION IN THE BIOTECH ECOSYSTEM.

WE NEED TO BE EDUCATING THOSE PEOPLE IN THE BAYSTATE AND THE U.S. MORE BROADLY BUT WE HAVE TO ATTRACT THEM.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THIS CONUNDRUM OR PEOPLE ARE COMING TO THE UNITED STATES TO GET THEIR PHD, THEN LEAVING BECAUSE OUR VISA SYSTEM IS SO ENTANGLED.

THERE ARE REFORMS THAT CAN HAPPEN THROUGH THE ADMINISTRA..

THROUGH WHAT IS CALLED SCHEDULE ONE -- EXCUSE ME, SCHEDULE A GROUP ONE THAT EXPEDITES VISAS FOR NARROW SPECIALTIES HIGHLY IN DEMAND.

WE NEED TO ADD A NUMBER OF SLOTS FROM THE BIOMEDICAL COMMUNITY INTO THAT LIST IN ADDITION TO IMMIGRATION REFORM AS WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO.

NUMBER 1A UNDER ATTRACTING TALENT IS BETTER FUNDING THAT TALENT WHEN THEY ARE HERE.

UNFORTUNATELY, SCIENTISTS ARE WAITING UNTIL THE EARLY 40'S TO GET NIH GRANTS, AND THAT CAN BE DISPIRITING FOR YOUNG SCIENTISTS.

WE N..

THROUGH NIH AND NONP.. FUNDERS TO HELP YOUNG SCIENTISTS GET THAT FIRST GRANT, GET THEIR FIRST LAB SET UP, HELP MIDCAREER PIVOTERS.

WE HAD TO DO A BETTER JOB OF HELPING TO FUND THOSE TALENTED HIGH-RISK IDEAS.

JUST TO ROUNDED OUT, OUR FEDERAL POLICY NEEDS TO REWARD MAKERS, NOT TAKERS.

PEOPLE WHO BUILD NEW THINGS, WHETHER MEDICAL DEVICES OR DRUGS OR NEW SERVICES, THEY SHOU..

REWARDED.

WE WANT THOSE PEOPLE BUILDING THINGS THAT IMPROVE HEALTH SPANS AND HELP WITH CAREGIVING AND GIVE PEOPLE HOPE AFTER A DREAD DIAGNOSIS.

THERE ARE ALSO TAKERS, AGENTS IN THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IN THE U.S. WHO ARE ABUSING REGULATION OR THE MARKET POSITION TO TAKE.

ONE EXAMPLE ARE THE PHARMACY BENEFIT MANAGERS, THE MIDDLEMEN OF DRUG PRICING OWNED BY HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES WHO TAKE $250 BILLION OUT OF HER HEALTH CARE SYSTEM EVERY YEAR..

PRECIOUS LITTLE BACK.

I HAVE LEGISLATION TO CRACK DOWN ON THAT TAKING.

THE THIRD THING, INFRA STRUCTURE FOR THE BIOTECH IMMUNITY.

HOW DO WE MAKE CLINICAL TRIALS FASTER AND MORE DIVERSE?

HOW DO WE PROVIDE STANDARDIZATION OF TERMINOLOGY AND WEIGHTS AND MEASURES, BORING STUFF, NOT GLAMOROUS OR EYE-CATCHING BUT..

PROPELLED THE UNITED STATES FORWARD IN THIS GLOBAL INDUSTRY.

ADAM: I WANT TO ASK BEFORE WE WRAP UP BRIEFLY ABOUT ISRAEL'S WAR WITH HAMAS.

I WANT TO FLASH BACK TO RUSSIA FOR A MOMENT.

IT HAS BEEN REPORTED THAT THE WHITE HOUSE SEES A TROUBLING NEW ANTISATELLITE WEAPON BEING DEVELOPED BY RUSSIA.

WE HAVE TO BE TALKING ON A DAY WHEN IT HAS BEEN REPORTED THAT THE FORMER OPPOSITION LEADER, ALEXEI NAVALNY, HAS DIED IN PRISON IN RUSSIA.

DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON EITHER OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS AND WHAT THEY PRETEND FOR THE FUTURE OF U.S.-RUSSIAN RELATIONS?

REP. AUCHINCLOSS: BOTH ARE GRISLY EXAMPLES OF RUSSIA'S CONTINUED AGGRESSION FROM INTERNATIONAL NORMS AND CONVENTIONS.

THEY.. DEFEND THE RULES BASED ORDER THE UNITED STATES HELPED ARCHITECT AFTER WORLD WAR II.

UNFORTUNATELY,..

MUSCULAR BUT MINORITY POSITION WITHIN THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS THAT WA.. VLADIMIR PUTIN.

APPEASEMENT DOES NOT WORK.

THE FUNDS THE UNITED STATES HAS GIVEN TO UKRAINE IS LESS THAN 10% OF OUR FEDERAL DEF..

SPENDING HAS BEEN THE HIGHEST RETURN ON INVESTMENT I.. SECURITY DOLLARS IN MY LIFETIME.

WE HAVE CRATERED HALF OF RUSSIA'S MILITARY CAPACITY, DOUBLED ITS BORDER WITH NATO, SENT A STRONG MESSAGE OF UNITY AND STRENGTH FROM NATIVE TO THE REST OF THE WORLD INCLUDING BEIJING AND TEHRAN.

THIS IS BEEN A SUCCESSFUL TWO YEARS FOR A CLOSE ALLY, BUT TO CUT AND RUN NOW WOULD BE TO NEGATE THOSE EFFORTS AND INVITE A LARGER CONFLICT WITHIN THE HEART OF EUROPE.

WE MUST STAND STRONG AGAINST VLADIMIR PUTIN.

ADAM: FI.. ABOUT A SHIFT IN YOUR DELEGATION BY ONE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES WHEN IT COMES TO THE QUESTION OF WHETHER A CEASE-FIRE MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE IN THE WAR BETWEEN ISRAEL AND HAMAS.

I DID A ROUND UP WERE MEMBERS OF THE DELEGATION STAND ON THAT QUESTION, AND MOST PEOPLE SEEM TO BE IN THE PLACE THEY HAD BEEN A COUPLE MONTHS BACK, WHETHER PRO OR CON.

YOUR COLLEAGUE, STEVE LYNCH, WHO I THOUGHT OF AT THE OUTSET AFTER HAMAS ATTACKED ISRAEL ON OCTOBER 7, I THOUGHT OF HIM AS ONE OF THE MOST ROBUST PRO-ISRAEL VOICES.

HE HAS COME ..

CEASE-FIRE.

I WANT TO READ THE TWEET WHERE HE EXPLAINED HIS SHIFT, WHILE I RESPECT ISRAEL TO DEFEND ITSELF, THE MILITARY OPERATION AGAINST HAMAS IN GAZA .. REACHED A STATE WHERE THE PRIMARY OBJECT APPEARS TO BE WREAKING VENGEANCE AGAINST INNOCENT PALESTINI.. MOSTLY CHILDREN.

I'M WONDERING IF YOU, AS THIS WAR CONTINUES, HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT ISRAEL'S CURRENT MILITARY APPROACH, AND IF YOU THINK THAT APPROACH AS IT STANDS NOW MIGHT MAKE A TWO STATE SOLUTION ..

DIFFICULT TO ATTAIN DOWN THE ROAD?

NIGHTMARE.

I HAVE SEEN IT FIRSTHAND, AND THIS IS A NIGHTMARE SCENARIO.

IT IS A SCENARIO BROUGHT ON THIS REGION BY HAMAS AND ITS BARBARIC ATTACKS ON OCTOBER 7 AGAINST ISRAEL.

ISRAEL IN ITS RESPONSE HAS AN OBLIGATION TO OBEY THE LAW OF ARMED CONFLICT.

IT ALSO HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO RETURN THE HOSTAGES THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN.

MORE..

HOSTAGES REMAIN IN THE BOWELS OF THE TERROR TUNNELS HAMAS CONSTRUCTED THE LAST 15 YEARS INSTEAD OF CLEAN WATER.. INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE PALESTINIAN PEOP..

THE PRIMARY OBJECTIVE NEEDS TO BE THE RETURN OF THOSE HOSTAGES , SOME OF WHOM ARE ONE YEAR OLD.

OF COURSE, I WANT THIS CONFLICT TO STOP.

EVER..

THIS TO STOP, BUT WE WANT IT TO STOP THAT IS SUSTAINABLE.

STOPPING SHORT OF THE MILITARIZING -- DE-MILITARIZING AND RETURNING HOSTAGES ONLY GUARANTEES WE WILL PERPETUATE THE CYCLE OF VIOLENCE.

HAMAS HAS GUARANTEED..

WALK THROUGH THE NEXT CEASE-FIRE, AND WE N..

BELIEVE THEM WHEN THEY SAY THAT.

WE NEED TO ERADICATE HAMAS'S LEADERSHIP, RETURN THE HOSTAGES AND TRANSITION TO COMPETENT CIVIL SERVICES AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO THE 2.2 MILLION PEOPLE, HALF OF WHOM ARE CHILDREN IN THAT REGION.

ADAM: CONGRESSMAN JAKE AUCHINCLOSS, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THIS TIME.

NEXT UP, THE TOWN OF MILTON HAS VOTED TO DEFY STATE LAW AND REJECT NEW ZONING RU.. BY THE COMMUNITIES ACT WHICH AIMS TO BUILD MORE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.

TOWN OFFICIALS APPROVED THE NEW RULES IN DECEMBER BUT RESIDENTS FORCED A REFERENDUM AND THE OPPONENTS WON.

>> VERY DISAPPOINT.. VOTE.

THREATENING LEGAL ACTION AND SAYING MILTON IS PUTTING STATE FUNDING AT RISK.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT, AND WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THE STATE'S HOUSING CRISIS.

JOINING ME IS BOSTON GLOBE COLUMNIST AND MILTON RESIDENT, BOB SEAY AND SHIRLEY LEUNG.

YOU LIVE IN MILTON AND HAVE BEEN WRITING ABOUT THIS, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT SPECIFICALLY WAS VOTED DOWN THIS WEEK?

WHAT DID MILTON VOTE DOWN?

SHIRLEY: THERE WAS A GROUP OF RESIDENTS WHO PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT, AND IT WAS A VALENTINE'S DAY ELECTION.

WE WENT TO THE POLLS TO ANSWER ONE QUESTION, YES OR NO, WOULD WE APPROVE THE TOWN MEETING IN DECEMBER HAD A PLAN TO CREATE MORE MULTI-HOUSING FAMILY UNITS, WOULD WE APPROVE A ZONING PLAN, AND THAT WAS VOTED DOWN.

54% OF THOSE WHO WENT TO THE POLLS VOTED IT DOWN, A DEC..

VICTORY FOR NO.

KEEP IN MIND, THIS ISSUE WAS SO HUGE, THERE WERE LAWN SIGNS, IT PITTED NEIGHBORS AGAINST NEIGHBORS.

YOU ALMOST AND I WANT TO ASK YOUR NEIGHBOR HOW THEY WERE VOTING BECAUSE IT WAS SO CONTENTIOUS.

ADAM: WHY DI.. SHIRLEY: THEY WERE PASSIONATE AND LIVE IN EAST MILTON.

THE WAY THE PLANNING WAS PROPOSED, MOST MULTI-HOUSING WOULD GO IN THEIR NE..

SO THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT CONGESTION, THE IMPACT ON THEIR PROPERTY VALUES.

THOSE WHO WOULD BE MOST AFFECTED VOTED AGAINST IT.

ADAM: I LIVE NORTH OF THE CITY AND EMBODY THIS FACT THAT THERE IS A SPLIT BETWEEN PEOPLE .. LIVE NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE CITY.

WHAT DIFFERENTIATES EAST MILTON FROM THE REST OF THE CITY?

SHIRLEY: EAST MILTON IS THE PART OF TOWN CLOSEST TO THE 93 EXPRESSWAY.

IF YOU.. EXPRESSWAY AND GOING INTO MILTON, CHANCES ARE YOU WERE DRIVING THROUGH EAST MILTON.

THERE IS A LOT OF COMMERCE ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN.

I LIVE ON THE OTHERS CLOSER TO THE TROLLEY.

IT IS MUCH MORE TRADITIONAL SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

ADAM: BOB SEAY, CAN YOU TAKE A STEP BACK AND REMIND VIEWERS WHAT IS THAT THIS ACT DOES AND DOES NOT DO?

WHAT DOES IT REQUIRE COMMUNITIES -- IT IS NOT QUITE ACROSS THE STATE -- BUT THERE ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF COMMUNITIES IN THE GREATER BOSTON AREA IN EASTERN MASSACHUSETTS THAT HAVE AN OBLIGATION UNDER THIS.

YOU SEE ALL THE COMMUNITIES THAT WILL HAVE TO PARTICIPATE ON ONE LEVEL OR ANOTHER, THERE ARE FOUR TIERS OF PARTICIPATION.

REMIND PEOPLE WHAT THIS DOES.

BOB: IT IS AN EXTENSION OF A FEELING THAT TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT IS THE WAY TO GO IN TERMS OF DEVELOPING HOUSING, BECAUSE IT PUTS PEOPLE AROUND TRANSIT ACCESS PLACES WHERE THEY CAN EASILY GET BACK AND FORTH TO WHERE THEY ARE GOING WITHOUT HAVING TO DRIVE.

THIS LAW PERTAINS TO ALL 177 COMMUNITIES THAT RECEIVE SERVICE, BUT IT FIRST APPLIES TO 12 COMMUNITIES WHO RECEIVED THE MOST SERVICE, THE SO-CALLED RAPID TRANSIT COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE T SERVICE.

THIS IS WHERE THE ACTION IS TAKING PLACE NOW.

ADAM: TELL ME IF I HAV..

RIGHT, IT REQUIRES COMMUNITIES TO CREATE ONE DISTRICT IN TOWN WERE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING CAN BE BUILT, THE DENSITY OF THAT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH ACCESS THE COMMUNITY HAS.

IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE NEAR THE T, WHETHER IT IS A BUS STOP OR COMMUTER RAIL STOP O.. STOP.

IN THAT DISTRICT THERE CANNOT BE AGE RESTRICTIONS ON THE MULTIFAMILY UNIT..

THEY NEED TO BE FAMILY FRIENDLY AND NOT GEARED TOWARDS SINGLES AND COUPLES.

SHIRLEY, IN YOUR COLUMN AFTER THE VOTE, YOU URGED THE TOWN OF MILTON TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT TOWN CAN SUPPORT.

I WANT TO QUOTE YOU, YOU WROTE "TO THOSE NEIGHBORS WHO VOTED NO, DO NOT THINK OF THIS AS YOUR BOSTON TEA PARTY.

THE STATE IS NOT A COLONIAL OVERLORD.

THIS IS ABOUT WORKING TOGETHER.

IT IS ABOUT KIDS GROWING UP IN MILTON TO STAY IN THEIR HOMETOWN .

THE YOUNG AND TALENTED WILL FLOCK TO MORE AFFORD..

STATES."

AFTER I HAVE READ THAT, I HAVE SEEN QUOTES FROM PEOPLE IN MILTON HAPPY WITH TH.. WHO SEEM TO THINK OF THIS AS THEY ARE BOSTON TEA PARTY.

DO THE OPPONENTS IN MILTON WHO PREVAILED WANT A DIFFE.. THAT WILL BRING MILTON IN COMPLIANCE, OR DO THEY WANT NO PLAN AT ALL AND MASSIVE RESISTANCE?

SHIRLEY: THAT REMA.. SEEN.

YES, I THINK SOME PART OF THE NO FACTION SAID WE WANT A BETTER PLAN.

SOME WHO VOTED NO DO NOT WANT TO COMPLY AT ALL.

FULL DISCLOSURE, I VOTED YES.

I AM URGING YES AND NO SIZE TO COME TOGETHER WITH A PLAN BECAUSE THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES IF MILTON DOES NOT COMPLY WITH STATE LAW.

WHETHER IT IS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL THREATENING TO SUE US, OR CUT OFF STATE FUNDING.

ADAM: THAT IS KIND OF LEFT UP TO THE IMAGINATION, SOME STATE FUNDING?

WE.. SHIRLEY: THE HEALY ADMINISTRATION HAS PUT OUT A LIST OF GRANTS THEY ..

WITHHOLD.

A LOT OF IT IS HOUSING GRANTS, BUT IT IS UNCLEAR.

WOULD SHE GO WEST FAR AS CUTTING OFF SCHOOL LUNCH PROGRAMS, ROADS?

THAT IS WHY I URGED MY FELLOW RESIDENTS TO WORK WITH THE PLANNING BOARD AND COME UP WITH A PLAN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

ADAM: THIS WAS A LAW PASSED UNDER FORMER GOVERNOR BAKER AND NOT A HEALY INITIATIVE.

SHE IS ENFORCING IT BUT SHE DID NOT CREATE OR SPEARHEAD IT.

A PICTURE OF THE SOMEWHAT UNIQUE TRANSIT ENTITY IN MILTON MAKES IT ONE OF THE FIRST COMMUNITIES THAT HAS TO COMPLY WITH THIS LAW.

ARE LOOKING AT THAT ORANGE TRAIN AND SAYING, WHAT IS THAT?

WHAT IS THE MASS TRANSIT ENTITY THAT PUTS MILTON AT THE TOP OF THE LIST?

BOB: IT IS THE TROLLEY WHICH DATES TO THE 1940'S, THOSE CARS ARE CLASSICS, THEY HAVE BEEN RESTORED.

A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MILTON MIGHT SAY THAT IS NOT RAPID TRANSIT, BUT IN FACT THE MBTA CONSIDERS IT AS PART OF THE ORANGE LINE AND THE RAPID TRANSIT SYSTEM, WHETHER MILTON RESIDENTS AGREE OR NOT.

THAT HAS ELEVATED MILTON TO THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENT THAT IT HAS.

SHIRLEY: THE CARS ARE ORANGE BUT IT FEEDS INTO THE REDLINE.

IT IS A LITTLE CONFUSING FOR RIDERS.

THAT IS ANOTHER REASON WHY BEING CLASSIFIED A RAPID TRANSIT COMMUNITY VERSUS A.. , YOU HAVE LOWER DENSITY REQUIREMENTS, THAT ENERGIZED THE NO SIDE.

ADAM: THERE WAS AN EFFORT TO GET THE LOWER CLASSIFICATION?

SHIRLEY: YES, AND ..

REJECTED THAT PUSH.

ADAM: I HAVE BEEN ON THE TROLLEY ONE TIME, AND I FEEL LIKE I TRAVELED BACK IN TIME TO 1950.

SHIRLEY: IT IS A SINGLE TROLLEY.

IT IS NOT LIKE THE GREEN, IT IS LITERALLY THE BOSTON TROLLEY THAT RUNS AROUND TOWN ON WHEELS, A SINGLE CAR.

ADAM: IS THE TROLLEY AS IT COMES THROUGH MILTON, IT IS ON THE OTHERS TOWN FROM THIS NEW BUILDING DISTRICT WAS PROPOSED?

SHIRLEY: YES, THERE ARE SE..

DISTRICTS YOU CAN BUILD MORE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.

THAT IS WHAT ENERGIZED THE NO.

WE ARE ONE OF THE PARTS OF TOWN FURTHEST FROM THE TROLLEY, WHY DO WE GET HIT WITH THE BIGGEST AMOUNT OF HOUSING?

ADAM: THAT SEEMS LIKE A ..

QUESTION.

DEPE.. ADMINISTRATION AND AG CAMPBELL DO, COULD WE SEE MORE COMMUNITIES FOLLOW MILTON'S LEAD WHEN THEY ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS, AND SAY, WE WILL NOT GO ALONG WITH THIS LAW?

BOB: THAT IS THE DAN.. COULD UNDERMINE THE WHOLE LAW IF IN FACT MILTON SUCCEEDS IN BLOCKING IT.

A LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE OPPOSED TO THIS ZONING REGULATION AS WELL.

THEY COULD TAKE ACTION IF THEY ARE EMBOLDENED BY WHAT HAPPENS IN MILTON.

WHAT..

EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

WE DO NOT KNOW YET.

THE GOVERNOR AND ATTORNEY GENERAL HAVE YET TO REACT TO THE VOTE SPECIFICALLY IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY WILL DO.

ADAM: SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF.

AS THIS PLAYS OUT, COME BACK AND TALK THIS THROUGH BECAUSE IT IS FASCINATING AND THE STAKES ARE HIGH.

BOB SEAY, SHIR.. YOU BOTH.

THANK YOU FOR WATCHING.

GOOD NIGHT.