>> Braude: TONIGHT ON "GREATER BOSTON": NEWLY NAMED INTERIM SUFFOLK COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY KEVIN HAYDEN JOINS ME ON HIS PHILOSOPHY OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE.

IS IT THE SAME AS THAT OF HIS PREDECESSOR, RACHAEL ROLLINS, WHO MADE WAVES ON EVERYTHING FROM HER "DECLINE TO PROSECUTE" LIST TO HER ZERO-TOLERANCE STANCE ON RACISM AND CORRUPTION IN THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT?

AND MASSACHUSETTS SECRETARY OF STATE, WILLIAM GALVIN, JOINS ME AFTER ANNOUNCING HIS CAMPAIGN FOR AN HISTORIC EIGHTH TERM IN OFFICE FOLLOWING A PRIMARY CHALLENGE FROM BOSTON NAACP PRESIDENT TANISHA SULLIVAN.

THEN, FINALLY, YOU MAY HAVE HEARD: TOM BRADY ANNOUNCED TODAY HE IS RETIRING.

BUT THE PART EVERYONE HERE IS TALKING ABOUT?

THE FACT HE SEEMED TO FORGET ABOUT HIS 20 YEARS IN NEW ENGLAND!

"BOSTON HERALD" PATRIOTS COLUMNIST KAREN GUREGIAN JOINS ME ON THAT AHEAD.

♪♪ >> Braude: WHEN RACHAEL ROLLINS WAS SWORN IN AS THE NEW U.S. ATTORNEY FOR MASSACHUSETTS EARLIER THIS MONTH, SHE LEFT AN EMPTY SEAT AT THE HELM OF THE SUFFOLK COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHICH SHE WAS ELECTED TO IN 2018 WITH MORE THAN 70% OF THE VOTE, LARGELY ON A PLATFORM OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM.

AND TO FINISH UP ROLLINS' TERM, GOVERNOR CHARLIE BAKER TAPPED MY NEXT GUEST, NOW INTERIM DISTRICT ATTORNEY KEVIN HAYDEN, WHO HAD BEEN HEADING UP THE STATE'S SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY BOARD AND SERVED AS ASSISTANT SUFFOLK COUNTY D.A.

FOR MORE THAN A DECADE PRIOR.

>> Braude: D.A., CONGRATULATIONS AND WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU, JIM.

GOOD TO SEE YOU YOU AGAIN.

>> Braude: GOOD TO SEE YOU, TOO.

HOW DID YOU GET THE JOB?

DID YOU REACH OUT TOT GOVERNOR, OR DID THE GOVERNOR REACH OUT TO YOU?

>> WHEN I FOUND OUT THE POSSIBILITY THAT RACHAEL ROLLINS WOULD BECOME THE U.S. ATTORNEY, I ASKED FOR THE GOVERNOR TO CONSIDER ME.

>> Braude: AND YOU HAVE SAID IN REPEATED INTERVIEWS, YOU DON'T KNOW YET IF YOU'RE RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION.

IS THAT NOT A FORMALITY?

WHY WOULD YOU DISLOCATE YOURSELF AND TAKE A JOB FOR A SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME, RATHER THAN SAYING THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO DO AND AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME I'LL SAY I'M RUNNING FOR IT FULL TERM?

>> IT IS HIGHLY LIKELY THAT WILL HAPPEN, BUT I'M STILL IN THE PROCESS OF MAKING SOME DECISIONS.

I'M DAY-TO-DAY WORKING HARD GETTING UP TO SPEED HERE, AND HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH MY FAMILY ABOUT THIS, AND THERE WILL BE A DECISION SOON.

>> Braude: DAN CONNELLY WAS YOUR FORMER BOSS, AND HE SAID HE BELIEVED YOU WOULD EMBRACE A MORE TRADITIONAL PROSECUTOR'S ROLE.

IS CONNELLY RIGHT?

>> I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER BEEN A TRADITIONAL PROSECUTOR, EVEN WHEN I WAS WORKING FOR DAN KON.

CONNELLY.

I HAVE ALWAYS CUT NI CUT MY TEETH AS BEING A PROSECUTOR WHO BELIEVED IT WAS IMPORTANT TO COMMUNITY ENGAGED, AND TO BE INVOLVED IN PREVENTION AS IT WAS TO BE INVOLVED WITH ENFORCEMENT.

I WAS HIRED BY RALPH -- DAN REMINDED ME I ACTUALLY WORKED LONGER FOR HIM THAN I DID FOR RALPH.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF "CONVENTIONAL" WOULD BE THE RIGHT WORD.

>> Braude: RALPH AS IN RALPH MARTIN, FOR PEOPLE NEW TO THE AREA.

I ASKED YOUR PREDECESSOR ABOUT YOU AND WHAT SHE THOUGHT OF YOUR CHOICE, AND HERE IS WHAT RACHAEL ROLLINS HAD TO SAY.

>> I DIDN'T FORMALLY GIVE A LIST TO THE GOVERNOR, BUT I HAD A VERY POSITIVE CONVERSATION WITH MR. HAYDON.

>> Braude: DID HE SPEAK TO A COMMITMENT THAT CAUSED YOU TO WIN A LANDSLIDE ELECTION, YOUR VIEW OF WHAT CRIMINAL JUSTICE SHOULD LOOK LIKE IN SUFFOLK COUNTY?

>> I ENCOURAGED YOU TO HAVE HIM ON YOUR SHOW AND TALK ABOUT WHAT HE WHAT LIKE HIS ADMINISTRATION TO BE.

I AM CLEAR THAT THE PEOPLE IN SUFFOLK COUNTY VOTED FOR FOUR YEARS OF WHAT WE PROPOSED.

>> Braude: SHE ENCOURAGED ME TO ASK YOU, SO I'LL ASK YOU: HOW MUCH OF THE ROLLINS PHILOSOPHY ARE YOU PREPARED TO EMBRACE, DISTRICT ATTORNEY?

>> I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL RATIONALES BEHIND THE -- WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE OVERVIEW OF REDUCING OUR CARBON FOOTPRINT, NOT CRIMINALIZING POVERTY AND DRUG ADDICTION WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT REFORM, AND NOT PROSECUTING LOW-LEVEL OFFENSES, AND DEALING WITH MORE VIOLENT CRIME, AND THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT I STAND BEHIND AND SUPPORT.

THOSE ARE THINGS I HAVE ALWAYS STOOD BEHIND AND SUPPORTED EVEN WHEN I WAS IN THE D.A.

'S OFFICE MANY YEARS AGO.

>> Braude: WHEN YOU SAY YOU WOULDN'T PROSECUTE LOW-LEVEL OFFENSES -- ROLLINS NEVER SAID I WOULD EVER PROSECUTE THEM, BUT SHE SAID -- AND I'LL PUT WORDS IN HER MOUTH -- THAT THERE IS A PRESUMPTION THEY WILL NOT BE PROSECUTED.

IS THAT WHERE YOU ARE ON THE 15 MINOR OFFENSES?

>> YES, AND IN ADDITION, I THINK THE ECONOMY AND IMMERSIONS SHOULD BE THOUGHT ABOUT IN INCREASING MEASURES.

ABOUT 25% OF THOSE CASES WERE NOT PROSECUTED.

I THINK EVEN UNDER DAN CONNELLY, IT WAS ONLY ABOUT 15% MORE THAT WERE NOT PROSECUTED.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS NECESSARILY A HUGE SCHISM THERE, BUT I DO THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT ECONOMY-BUILDING MEASURES SHORT OF PROSECUTION.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT DIVERSION.

IT IS PORTANT TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT LOW-LEVEL OFFENSES SHOULD HOPEFULLY NOT CARRY SOMEONE FORWARD WITH NEGATIVITY FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE.

>> Braude: IN HER INTEGRITY REVIEW BUREAU, THAT LED TO THE RELEASE OF A NUMBER OF MEN, MOSTLY BLACK MEN, MOST OF WHOM SPENT DECADES AND JAIL FOR CRIMES THEY DID NOT COMMITTEE OR VERY LIKELY DID NOT COMMIT -- WILL THAT CONTINUE ON YOUR WATCH AS WELL?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WE NEED TO LOOK NOT ONLY FORWARD ABOUT HOW WE'RE HANDLING CASES, BUT TO BE ABLE TO LOOK BACK AND CORRECT ERRORS WHEN THEY'RE MADE.

>> Braude: WHAT CHANGES WILL YOU MAKE IN THE INTERVENING NINE, 10, 11 MONTHS, UNTIL THERE IS AN ELECTION, DISTRICT ATTORNEY?

>> I THINK IF THERE ARE CHANGES TO BE MADE, I THINK IT COULD TAKE LONGER THAN NINE, 10, 11 MONTHS.

SO I DON'T THINK THEY WILL BE APPARENT.

NOTHING IS CHANGING NOW AS WE LOOK INTO WHAT IS GOING ON.

WE WILL BE DRIVEN BY BEST PRACTICES AND BY THE DATA AND STATISTICS THAT ARE OUT THERE WHEN WE MAKE DETERMINATIONS AS TO OUR POLICY.

>> Braude: THE PUBLIC TRUST IN THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS AT LEAST IN PART A FUNCTION ABOUT HOW MUCH PEOPLE TRUST THE POLICE WITH WHOM YOU WORK.

THIS HAS BEEN A HELL OF A YEAR.

THERE IS A LONG-TERM POLICE OFFICER WHO WENT ON TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNION, CHARGED -- CREDIBLY CHARGED WITH SERIAL SEXUAL ASSAULT.

A GUY WHO WAS COMMISSIONER FOR A DAY -- ACTUALLY FOR TWO DAYS -- REMOVED FROM THAT POST AMIDST CHARGES OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

OVERTIME SCANDALS.

DO YOU SEE PART OF YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO HELP FIX WHAT AILS THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT?

>> WELL, I THINK WHEN I LOOK AT THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT OVERALL, I THINK THERE ARE FAR, FAR, FAR MORE GOOD OFFICERS AND GOOD THINGS THAT ARE BEING DONE BY THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT THAN BAD.

I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT WRONG-DOING, CORRUPTION AND/OR EVEN CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES THAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED OR ALLEGED TO HAVE HAPPENED THAT ABSOLUTELY CANNOT STAND OR BE TOLERATED WHEN YOU'RE IN ANY POSITION, AND THAT CARRIES THROUGH TO OUR OFFICE, TOO, AS PROSECUTORS.

BEING IN A POSITION OF PUBLIC TRUST, BEING IN A POSITION WHERE WE HAVE AUTHORITY, WE HAVE TO BE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD.

WE HAVE TO BE WILLING TO EXAMINE OURSELVES AND TO ROOT OUT ANY ILLS OR WRONG-DOINGS THAT MAY TAKE PLACE.

>> Braude: WHEN YOU WERE WORKING IN THE D.A.

'S OFFICE IN YOUR FORMER LIFE, I KNOW YOU WORKED WITH GANGS.

I'M SURE YOU SAW THE EDITORIAL IN THE "GLOBE," WHICH TALKS ABOUT THE GANG DATA BASE AND ACCOUNTABILITY, DRAWING PEOPLE IN WHO ARE THERE PURELY BECAUSE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THEY LIVE IN OR A CASUAL ASSOCIATE.

SHOULD IT BE REFORMED, ELIMINATED, KEPT AS IS?

WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THAT?

>> I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE ELIMINATED, AND I DON'T THINK IT CAN BE KEPT AS IS.

I THINK IT WILL NEED TO BE CAREFULLY LOOKED AT AND REFORMED AND REFINED SO THAT WE KNOW IT IS NOT BEING USED IN ANY IMPARTIAL WAY, NOT BEING USED IN ANY WAY THAT IS UNFAIR OR THAT IS UNFAIRLY TARGETING PEOPLE.

BUT I WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE IT GO AWAY.

I THINK THAT WOULD GREATLY HAMPER OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNERS IN THEIR ABILITY TO DO THEIR JOB.

>> Braude: BEFORE YOU GO AWAY, DISTRICT ATTORNEY, YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE LAST WEEK, AND YOU WERE NOT HERE BECAUSE OF THE DEATH OF YOUR FATHER.

I DIDN'T KNOW YOUR FATHER, BUT I READ ABOUT HIM SINCE HE DIED.

CAN YOU SPEND A FINAL MINUTE AND TALK ABOUT HIM, RATHER THAN US TALKING ABOUT YOU.

HE WAS A PRETTY IMPRESSIVE MAN.

>> SURE.

I'LL TRY NOT TO GET TOO EMOTIONAL HERE.

YEAH, MY DAD -- MY DAD DID A LOT FOR THE CITY OF BOSTON, DID A LOT FOR SUFFOLK COUNTY, DEDICATED HIS LIFE TO PUBLIC SERVICE IN DIFFERENT ARENAS THAN I AM NOW.

BUT HIS DEDICATION TO PUBLIC SERVICE IS WHAT DROVE ME TO DEDICATE MYSELF TO PUBLIC SERVICE AS WELL.

HIS WORK ETHIC IS EMBEDDED IN ME, AND I TAKE TREMENDOUS PRIDE IN THAT.

AND HIS PRIDE IN OUR COMMUNITY, IN BLACK HISTORY, IN OUR BLACK CULTURE, AND UNDERSTANDING THAT HISTORY IN OUR CULTURE, AND KNOWING WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND IT IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND NOT ONLY WHO WE ARE NOW BUT WHERE WE'RE GOING IS SOMETHING THAT WAS VITALLY IMPORTANT TO HIM AND IT IS VITALLY IMPORTANT TO ME AND MY ENTIRE FAMILY.

HE IS THE PATRIARCH WHO REALLY BUILT THAT FOUNDATION.

>> Braude: I WISH I HAD MET HIM.

GLAD TO HAVE MET YOU.

GOOD LUCK IN YOUR JOB.

HOPE TO SEE YOU A LOT IN THE COMING AMONGST.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> Braude: NEXT UP, A MAN WHO'S NO STRANGER TO MASSACHUSETTS POLITICS, HAVING JUST ANNOUNCED HIS RUN FOR AN HISTORIC EIGHTH TERM AS SECRETARY OF THE COMMONWEALTH, WILLIAM GALVIN.

AND IN HIS LAST ELECTION CYCLE, THINGS GOT TENSE, AS WE SAW ON THIS SHOW, WITH THEN-CHALLENGER BOSTON CITY COUNCILOR JOSH ZAKIM.

>> BILL, YOU'RE USING THIS AS A DISTRACTION -- >> NO, I'M NOT.

>> -- FROM YOUR USE OF TAXPAYER MONEY.

>> THE DISTRACTION IS WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.

>> THIS IS A SIMPLE QUESTION, JUST SAY YES AND WE WON'T HAVE ANY CORPORATE MONEY HERE IN MASSACHUSETTS.

>> BILL, I'VE SAID -- >> JUST SAY YES.

>> IF YOU'RE -- IF YOU'RE WILLING TO RETURN THE TAXPAYER MONEY YOU USED TO FUND YOUR CAMPAIGN -- >> NO, NO, YOU'RE TRYING -- >> SAY YES, AND WE WON'T HAVE ANY CORPORATE MONEY IN MASSACHUSETTS.

>> BILL, I -- >> IF YOU DON'T SAY YES, YOU'RE SAYING WE ARE GOING TO HAVE CORPORATE MONEY.

>> BILL, WE'VE CONTINUED TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.

>> Braude: THIS TIME AROUND, GALVIN'S DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY CHALLENGER, CORPORATE ATTORNEY AND PRESIDENT OF THE NAACP'S BOSTON BRANCH, TANISHA SULLIVAN, APPEARS TO BE STRIKING A DIFFERENT TONE, AS SHE SHARED WITH ME A COUPLE WEEKS BACK.

>> I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I RESPECT BILL GALVIN.

I CERTAINLY RESPECT HIS 40 PLUS YEARS OF PUBLIC SERVICE AND HIS 27 YEARS IN THE OFFICE OF SECRETARY OF STATE.

THAT SAID, THIS MOMENT, I BELIEVE, REQUIRES A FRESH PERSPECTIVE.

>> Braude: SECRETARY GALVIN JOINS ME NOW.

>> Braude: SECRETARY, IT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

>> DELIGHTED TO BE WITH YOU.

>> Braude: WHY ARE YOU GOING FOR EIGHT?

>> BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE AT A CRITICAL POINT.

I'M REALLY PLEASED IN THE CHANGES WE'VE MADE FOR MASSACHUSETTS AND PAVING THE WAY FOR THE COUNTRY, WITH MAIL-IN VOTING, WITH AUTOMATIC REGISTRATION, AND ONLINE REGISTRATION.

AND I WANT TO SEE THAT MADE PERMANENT.

BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THE '22 ELECTION, THERE IS NO SECRET THERE IS AN EFFORT TO DIAL BACK THE RIGHTS OF VOTERS.

WHEN DONALD TRUMP CLAIMED THAT NEW HAMPSHIRE WAS STOLEN BY PEOPLE ON BUSES IN MASSACHUSETTS, I WAS ABLE TO STAND UP AND CALL OUT THE FRAUD.

YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CALL OUT FRAUD CLAIMS.

>> Braude: TAN SILL TANISHA SULLIVAN SAID A "FRESH PERSPECTIVE," AND SHE WOULD NOT SAY, BUT I BELIEVE SHE WAS REFERRING TO RACE, GENDER.

WE'VE NEVER HAD A PERSON OF COLOR -- >> IT IS UP TO THE VOTERS TO DECIDE WHAT THEIR CHOICES ARE.

I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE IN THIS PARTICULAR OFFICE AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME IS THE ABILITY TO ADMINISTER ELECTIONS.

EVEN BEFORE I WAS SECRETARY OF STATE, I ARGUED CASES -- I WAS SUED, LIKE, 20 TIMES IN THE LAST CYCLE, AND I'M STILL BEING SUED NOW.

THE ABILITY TO ARGUE THESE CASES, THE UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS, AND MAKING SURE WITH 331 CITIES IN TOWN, TO GET EVERYTHING TO WORK FLAWLESSLY, AND WE HAVE A GREAT RECORD.

BUT IT IS UP TO THE VOTERS.

>> Braude: THE SENATORS PASSED A VOTING REFORM BILL, MAKING PERMANENT SOME OF THE CHANGES DURING COVID-19.

AND THE HOUSE PASSED A FAIRLY SIMILAR BILL.

THE HOUSE LEFT OUT SAME-DAY VOTER REGISTRATION.

AND THEY SENT IT TO YOU FOR A STUDY.

WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION TO THAT MOVE?

>> IT WAS A DISTRACTION.

THE IDEA WAS TO HAVE A REASON -- WAS A PARLIAMENTARY MOVE TO PREVENT A VOTE ON THE ACTUAL ISSUE.

I SUPPORT ELECTION DAY REGISTRATION.

I THINK MOST PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO US AT THIS POINT.

IT WOULD COMPLETE ALL OF THE ISSUES WE WANT TO RAISE.

I'M STILL OPTIMISTIC WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET IT.

>> Braude: YOU'RE THE CHIEF EXPERTS PERSON, AND YOU COULDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH THE HOUSE --úWHY DOESN'T THAT ELECT REFLECT ON YOU?

>> BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS CHOOSING TO VOTE ON WHAT AFFECTS THEM, PERSONALLY AND POLITICALLY.

THAT POINT WAS MADE BY A NUMBER OF PEOPLE.

REPRESENT KOVAO SAID -- IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ME.

THEY KNEW WHERE I STOOD.

I'M FOR ELECTION DAY REGISTRATION.

>> Braude: HERE IS WHAT CANDIDATE SULLIVAN HAD TO SAY TO ME A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ABOUT THE STATE OF AFFAIRS.

>> WE HAVE AN IDEA THAT HERE IN MASSACHUSETTS EVERYTHING IS OKAY.

AND THE REALITY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAIL-IN BALLOTING, SAME-DAY VOTER REGISTRATION, A FULL IMPLEMENT OF THE ELECTRONIC VOTING, WE'RE ACTUALLY BEHIND OTHER STATES.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE HAVE TO CATCH UP.

>> Braude: DO WE HAVE TO CATCH UP?

>> NO.

THAT IS SIMPLY UNTRUE.

WE HAVE VOTE BY MAIL.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS PERMANENT.

WE HAD VOTE BY MAIL IN THREE ELECTIONS, WITH RECORD TURNOUTS IN ALL THREE.

SO THERE IS NO QUARREL ABOUT THAT.

WE HAVE AUTOMATIC VOTER REGISTRATION.

WE HAVE EASE OF REGISTRATION THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

YOU CAN REGISTER NOT ONLY IN PERSON, BUT YOU CAN DO IT ONLINE.

WHAT SHE SAID IS SIMPLY UNTRUE.

FARES ERIC IS CONCERNED, THAT IS LIST MAINTENANCE PROJECT.

WE ALREADY AGREED WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.

IT HAS NO REAL RELEVANCE TO VOTERS IN MASSACHUSETTS.

>> Braude: ONE THING WE DON'T HAVE A VOTER-FRIENDLY PUBLIC RECORD LAWS.

WE ARE THE ONLY STATE WHERE THE JUDICIARY, THE LEGISLATURE, AND THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE CLAIMS AN EXEMPTION -- >> I ENFORCE THE LAW.

>> Braude: FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND TODAY, OR MAYBE YESTERDAY, YOU FILED A BILL THROU SENATOR ELDRIDGE TO MAKE SURE AT LEAST SOME E-MAILS WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC THROUGH A PUBLIC RECORDS LAW.

IF THAT WAS A GOOD, WHY WASN'T IT A GOOD IDEA IN OUR THIRD OR FOURTH -- >> I ALREADY DID.

WE DIDN'T GET ENOUGH SIGNATURES.

I WAS INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN THE REDRAWING IN 2018.

THE REALITY IS WE HAVE A STRONGER PUBLIC RECORDS LAW BECAUSE OF WHAT I DID.

LET ME SPEAK TO THE GOVERNOR FOR A MINUTE.

EVERY GOVERNOR SINCE BILLY WELLS, HAS TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF A VERY BAD DECISION -- >> Braude: 1997 -- >> YEAH.

THE LAMBERT CASE.

IT DOESN'T MATTER, DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS, THEY WERE NOT GOING TO GIVE UP THEIR RECORDS.

>>> THEY'RE EXEMPT.

AND I PROPOSED NOW THAT WE'RE HAVING A CHANGE IN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, I CAN'T FIGHT THE BATTLE FOR THE PAST.

I WOULD RATHER FIGHT THE BATTLE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO WIN FOR THE FUTURE.

AS OF THE DAY THE NEW GOVERNOR TAKES OFFICE, EVERY RECORD SHOULD BE PUBLIC.

WE SHOULD HEAR ALL OF THE RESPECTIVE GOVERNORS ARE WILLING TO DO THIS.

AS FAR AS THE LEGISLATURE, SEVERAL OF THEIR OWN MEMBERS TRIED TO CHANGE IT.

THE JUDICIARY SIMILARLY REGARDS ITSELF AT EXEMPT.

WE HAVE HAD A BREAKTHROUGH IN PUBLIC RECORDS.

AS A RESULT OF THE LAW I SUPPORT AND WORKED ON, FOR THE FIRST TIME A MEDIA OUTLET, THE WORCESTER TELEGRAM, WAS ABLE TO CLAIM OVER $100,000 IN COUNCIL FEES FOR GETTING ACCESS TO POLICE RECORDS, WHICH WE SAID THEY SHOULD HAVE HAD IN 2003.

AND WE -- >> Braude: IF I MAY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND, IF YOU'RE RUNNING ON YOUR EFFECTIVENESS IN YOUR JOB, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT THE LEGISLATURE, SECRETARY -- >> I'M NOT.

>> Braude: BUT THE ACCESS ISSUE THAT MADE US 50 OUT OF 50, AND EVEN WHEN YOU GET ACCESS, THE FEES ARE AFTER ASTRONOMICAL -- >> NOT AS MUCH AS THEY USED TO BE.

WE GOT IT REDUCED.

>> Braude: SHOULDN'T THAT BE REFLECTED ON YOU?

>> NO.

THE FACT IS I'VE BEEN WORKING ON REDUCING THEM AND GOT THEM REDUCED.

THERE IS A THIEFDOME MENTALITY -- >> Braude: YOU USED TO SERVE IN THE HOUSE -- >> I DID.

SO THAT'S WHY I THINK I CAN DIAGNOSE WHAT THE ISSUES ARE.

THE REALITY IS THERE IS A THIEFTON MAN TOLL LAT, AND HAVE YOU TO OVERCOME THAT.

THAT'S WHY THE ABILITY TO GO TO COURT AND TO GET COURT COSTS AND FEES IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF HELPING.

THE ONLY REMEDY I HAVE IS -- IF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, AND MANY OF THEM HAVE, DECLINE TO ENFORCE IT, THAT'S THE END OF IT.

>> Braude: YOU USED THE TERM "THIEFTON," THIS IS VIRTUALLY A UNANIMOUSLY DEMOCRATIC INFRASTRUCTURE -- >> ACCEPT FOR THE GOVERNOR.

>> Braude: -- ACCEPT FOR THE GOVERNOR.

SHOULDN'T SOMEONE LIKE YOU WHO THINK THE LEGISLATURE ISN'T DOING ITS JOB, SUPPORT A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR GOING FORWARD SO THERE IS AT LEAST SOME BALANCE, RATHER THAN A THIEFTON?

>> I HAVE SUPPORTED REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS IN THEIR POLICIES -- >> Braude: HOW ABOUT ON ELECTION DAY?

>> I'M A DEMOCRAT.

AND I PREFER TO VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT IF I CAN.

I BELIEVE MOST CITIZENS ARE LIKE THAT.

I'VE WORKED WITH DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS AND REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS VERY CLOSELY.

I KNOW ONE OTHER RECORD I HOLD IS NO ONE HAS BEEN ACTING GOVERNOR MORE THAN ME BECAUSE THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNORS -- REPUBLICAN LIEUTENANT GOVERNORS USED TO BECOME GOVERNOR BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR TOOK OFF.

IN THE CASE OF FORMER GOVERNOR MURRAY, HE LEFT.

I HAVE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH GOVERNORS OF BOTH PARTIES, AND I THINK ALL OF THEM WOULD TELL YOU I'VE WORKED HONESTLY ANDATIC TIVOLIANDAFFECTIVELY WITH THEM.

WHEN A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR HAS SAID SOMETHING GOOD, I'M WILLING TO SUPPORT IT.

IN THE CASE OF THE REENTD ELECTIONS,RECENTELECTIONS, WE SUPPORTED IT.

HE THANKED ME FOR WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO TOGETHER.

>> Braude: BILL GALVIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> Braude: TOM BRADY, THE CONSENSUS GREATEST OF ALL TIME, MADE HIS RETIREMENT INSTAGRAM-OFFICIAL THIS MORNING, WITH AN EIGHT-PAGE POST, NOT INCLUDING THE PICTURE OF HIM IN HIS BUC'S UNIFORM, TALKING ABOUT HOW HE'S LOVED HIS CAREER, HIS CURRENT TEAMMATES, THE CITY OF TAMPA, THEIR FANS, THE OWNERS, ALL THEIR COACHES, HIS PERSONAL TRAINER, HIS AGENTS, HIS FAMILY.

EIGHT INSTAGRAM PAGES WITHOUT A SINGLE WORD ABOUT THE 20 YEARS HE SPENT AS A NEW ENGLAND PATRIOT.

IT WASN'T UNTIL THREE HOURS AFTER HIS INITIAL ANNOUNCEMENT THAT BRADY RE-TWEETED A ROBERT KRAFT TRIBUTE AND ADDED THIS: "THANK YOU, PATRIOTS NATION.

I'M BEYOND GRATEFUL.

LOVE YOU ALL."

I'M JOINED NOW BY KAREN GUREGIAN, PATRIOTS' BEAT COLUMNIST FOR THE "BOSTON HERALD."

>> Braude: KAREN, IT IS GREAT TO HAVE YOU.

THANKS FOR COMING.

>> YEAH, GREAT TO BE ON.

THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> Braude: DID YOU GO TO EVERY SINGLE GAME THAT BRADY PLAYED AS A PATRIOT, ALL 20 YEARS?

>> I PRETTY MUCH WENT ALL OF THEM EXCEPT ONE, AND IT HAPPENED TO BE THE FIRST SUPER BOWL BECAUSE I WAS HEADED TO -- I WAS HEADED TO SALT LAKE FOR THE OLYMPICS AND COULDN'T QUITE NAVIGATE BEING THERE AND BEING IN SALT LAKE AT THE SAME TIME.

I'M PRETTY SURE THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE I MISSED.

>> Braude: SO 20 YEARS MINUS ONE QUALIFIES YOU TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION: IS HE NOT JUST THE BEST FOOTBALL PLAYER EVER, IS HE THE BEST IN HIS JOB OF ANYONE IN HIS JOB OVER SUCH A LONG PERIOD OF TIME?

>> YEAH, WHEN YOU PUT IN THE LONGEVITY, 22 YEARS, HE TOTALLY SHATTERED THE AGE MYTH AND FATHER TIME ALWAYS WINS EXCEPT WHEN IT COMES TO TOM BRADY.

THE FACT IN HIS AGE 44-YEAR-OLD SEASON, HE LED THE LEAGUE IN TOUCHED PASSES AND YARDS.

YOU KNOW, IT PRETTY MUCH SAYS IT ALL.

AND NO ONE IN THE SPORT HAS WON MORE, WON MORE GAMES, WON MORE SUPER BOWLS.

AND THE THING THAT GETS ME, AND I SORT OF WROTE ABOUT IT, IS, YOU KNOW, HE IS NOT LIKE THIS WORLD CLASS ATHLETE.

>> Braude: YEAH.

>> BUT HE WORKED SO HARD AT IT, AND HIS WORK ETHIC -- IT GOT TO A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERY TIME HE WAS ON THE FIELD, NO MATTER WHAT THE TEAM, NO MATTER WHAT THE SCORE, I THINK THAT TEAM HAD THIS INNER BELIEF THAT THEY WOULD WIN NO MATTER WHAT.

>> Braude: I BUY THAT FROM AFAR.

FOR A GUY WHO ELEVATED SPONTANEITY ON THE FIELD TO AN ART FORM AND THEN SOME, IT SEEMED TO ME AS A LONG DISTANCE OBSERVER, EVERY WORD WORD HE EVER SPOKE IN PUBLIC WAS CAREFULLY CHOREOGRAPHED.

TO THE JANITORS AND ALL OF THE STAFF WHO SMILED EVERY MORNING -- I KNOW HE WROTE A BEAUTIFUL NOTE WHEN HE LEFT BOSTON A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT COMPLETE, I THINK, SNUB OF 20 YEARS HERE?

>> WELL, IT WAS DEFINITELY EYEEYEBROW-RAISING.

IT WAS DEFINITELY CURIOUS.

I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO HIM, OR ANYONE IN HIS CAMP, TO GET EXACTLY IF IT WAS AN INTENTIONAL SLIGHT, WHICH IT APPEARS TO BE.

MY MAIL -- I'VE BEEN INUNDATED WITH MAIL FROM ANGRY FANS WHO ARE VERY UNHAPPY ABOUT THAT.

>> Braude: I'M SURE.

>> AND -- WHICH IS THEIR RIGHT.

BUT I'VE ALSO TALKED TO A FEW OF HIS TEAMMATES WHO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET THE GUY RETIRE.

GET OVER IT.

YOU KNOW?

SO I CAN SEE BOTH SIDES.

BUT I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND WHERE THE FANS ARE COMING FROM.

>> Braude: WE HAD A LOT OF HOSTILITY ON THE RADIO TODAY.

AND I THINK IT WASNOT JUST LEAVING TOWN.

IN BASEBALL -- CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG -- IF YOU PLAYED ON MORE THAN ONE TEAM, THERE IS A DECISION ABOUT WHAT HAT OR WHAT SHIRT YOU GO IN UNDER.

THEORETICALLY, DAVID ORTIZ COULD BE A RED SOCKS OR A MINNESOTA TWIN.

DO THE SAME RULES APPLY TO THE NFL HALL OF FAME?

IS IT POSSIBLE HE COULD BE IDENTIFIED AS A BUC INSTEAD OF A PATRIOT?

>> I SUPPOSE.

WHAT THEY DO IS A FACIAL BUST, SO THERE IS NO HELMET THING ON THERE.

IT IS REMISS ON ME BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE HALL OF FAME.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ALSO SOMETHING ON A WALL, A PICTURE OF SOME SORT, AND PERHAPS THAT IS WHERE THE UNIFORM DECISION WOULD COME IN.

I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR A FACT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE HALL OF FAME.

BUT WHEN YOU JUST HAVE A BUST, THERE IS NO REAL DISTINCTION.

>> Braude: THAT IS COMFORTING.

I READ YOUR LEGACY PIECE TODAY.

BUT FOR ME IT IS NOT PLAY, BUT THE 28-3 COMEBACK IN THE SUPER BOWL, UNLIKE ANYTHING I'VE EVER SEEN.

DO YOU HAVE ONE MEMORY IN THE 20 YEARS OF BEING UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL WITH HIM?

>> WELL, IT'S -- YOU KNOW, IT WAS ACTUALLY THE SEATTLE COMEBACK.

>> Braude: UH-HUH.

>> YOU KNOW, THEY WERE DOWN -- I THINK HE SCORED TWO TOUCHDOWNS IN THE FOURTH QUARTER IN THAT GAME.

AND, LIKE, THE PRESS BOX -- WHEN MALCOLM BUTLER PICK UP THAT PASS, I NEVER HEARD A PRESS BOX COLLECTIVELY GASP.

>> Braude: THAT'S GREAT.

THAT'S GREAT.

>> BUT THAT WAS ALL PART AND PARCEL OF THE GAME ITSELF.

AND, AGAIN, ONE MORE BRADY COMEBACK.

IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS GOING TO GO FOR NAUGHT.

AND THEN MALCOLM BUTLER COMES UP OUT OF NOWHERE, AND LITERALLY HUNDREDS -- THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN THE PRESS BOX GASPED ALOUD, LIKE OH, MY GOSH.

THAT STICKS OUT TO ME.

>> Braude: THAT'S GREAT.

>> 28-3 STICKS OUT TO ME.

THERE ARE SO MANY.

THE GIANTS' GAME TO END THE SEASON, THE PERFECT SEASON, HIM HITTING RANDY MOSS LATE IN THAT GAME, PULLING OUT THAT GAME.

AND I HAVE, ACTUALLY, SO MUCH RESPECT FOR THE GIANTS FOR PUTTING UP A FIGHT IN THAT GAME.

BUT, YOU KNOW, COMPLETING THE PERFECT SEASON.

I MEAN, THERE ARE SO MANY.

PLAYING WITH THE 20 STAPLES IN HIS HAND -- >> Braude: THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.

I COULDN'T DO THE SHOW WITH 20 STAPLES IN MY HAND.

THERE IS A RUMOR AROUND HERE -- I ONLY HAVE 10 SECONDS LEFT -- AT EVERY PRESS CONFERENCE, HE WOULD DO A HI KAREN.

IS THAT TRUE?

>> IT IS TRUE.

>> Braude: WHAT IS THAT ABOUT?

>> MAYBE I WAS THE HELEN THOMAS FOR HIM OR SOMETHING BECAUSE I WAS AROUND FOR SO LONG.

BUT WHENEVER MY HAND WAS RAISED, AND I GET THE MICROPHONE, THERE WAS ALWAYS A WARM GREETING FROM TOM.

AND WIN OR LOSE, TOO.

>> Braude: KAREN, LOVE YOUR REPORTING.

I'M REALLY HAPPY YOU COULD GIVE US A FEW MINUTES HERE.

THANKS SO MUCH FOR DOING IT.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> Braude: THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT.

WE'LL BE BACK TOMORROW.

THANK YOU FOR WATCHING.

PLEASE STAY SAFE.