>> Braude: TONIGHT ON "GREATER BOSTON," AS THE CLOCK TICKS DOWN TO TRUMP'S SECOND IMPEACHMENT TRIAL, WITH THE DEFENSE ARGUING THE TRIAL ITSELF IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL, I'M JOINED BY NOTED CIVIL LIBERTIES ATTORNEY HARVEY SILVERGLATE, WHO THINKS TRUMP'S SPEECH WAS PROTECTED AND THE PLAN TO BAR HIM FROM FUTURE OFFICE IS A BAD IDEA.

HE'LL MAKE HIS CASE, AND WESTERN NEW ENGLAND UNIVERSITY LAW PROFESSOR JENNIFER TAUB WILL RESPOND.

THEN, LATER, FOLK LEGEND TOM RUSH JOINS ME ON HOW HE'S KEEPING THE MUSIC FLOWING TO HIS FANS THROUGH THE PANDEMIC AND AÑi VERY SPECIAL PERFORMANCE COMING UP THIS WEEKEND.

AND, FINALLY, MY THOUGHTS ON THE NEW C.E.O.

OF WALGREENS AND WHY WE NEED MANY MORE LIKE HER.

>>> WITH THE SECOND IMPEACHMENT TRIAL OF DONALD TRUMP SET TO START NEXT WEEK, ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES ARE TAKING SHAPE.

AN 80-PAGE FILING FROM HOUSE PROSECUTORS THIS WEEK ARGUES THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS A SINGULAR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ATTACK ON THE CAPITOL, IN PART BECAUSE OF COMMENTS LIKE THIS MADE JUST HOURS BEFORE THE RIOTING BEGAN: >> WE'RE GOING TO WALK DOWN, AND I'LL BE THERE WITH YOU.

WE'RE GOING TO WALK DOWN -- WE'RE GOING TO WALK DOWN.

ANYONE YOU WANT, BUT I THINK RIGHT HERE WE'RE GOING TO WALK DAWN TO THE CAPITOL.

YOU'LL NEVER TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY WITH WEAKNESS.

YOU HAVE TO SHOW STRENGTH AND YOU HAVE TO BE STRONG.

IF YOU DON'T FIGHT LIKE HELL, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A COUNTRY ANYMORE.

>> Braude: AND AS FOR TRUMP'S SIDE, WELL, THEY'RE RALLYING FROM A PRETTY BIG HICCUP OVER THE WEEKEND WHEN HIS ENTIRE DEFENSE TEAM QUIT, REPORTEDLY BECAUSE HE INSISTED THEY MAKE HIS ELECTION FRAUD CLAIMS THE HEART OF THEIR CASE.

AND IF YOU'RE WONDERING HOW RUSHED THE REPLACEMENT TEAM WAS IN GETTING THEIR CASE TOGETHER, THE ANSWER SEEMS TO BE: VERY.

THEY ADDRESSED THEIR BRIEF TO THE HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE.

CLOSE ENOUGH.

THEY'RE FOCUSING ON WHAT THEY SAY IS THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF TRYING A FORMER PRESIDENT AND THE ARGUMENT THAT "THE ARTICLE OF IMPEACHMENT VIOLATES THE 45th PRESIDENT'S RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH AND THOUGHT, GUARANTEED UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION.

"Ñi ON THAT LAST POINT, CIVIL LIBERTIES ATTORNEY HARVEY SILVERGLATE AGREES, CALLING THE CURRENT IMPEACHMENT EFFORT "FOOLISH" AND "EXCEEDINGLY UNWISE," IN AN OP-ED HE CFO WROTE FOR GBH, EVEN THOUGH HE'S NO FAN OF TRUMP, REFERRING TO HIM IN THE PIECE AS "OUR SOCIOPATHIC EX-PRESIDENT."

HARVEY JOINS ME NOW, ALONG WITH WESTERN NEW ENGLAND UNIVERSITY LAW PROFESSOR JENNIFER TAUB, WHO'S ALSO THE AUTHOR OF THE GREAT BOOK, "BIG, DIRTY MONEY: THE SHOCKING INJUSTICE AND UNSEEN COST OF WHITE COLLAR CRIME."

>> Braude: JENNIFER AND HARVEY, GOOD TO TALK TO YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

>> I THINK IT IS GOOD TO BE HERE.

I'LL FIND OUT IN A MINUTE.

>> Braude: HARVEY, I'M GOING TO STAKE YOUR ARGUMENTS ONE AT A TIME.

AND JENNIFER, YOU RESPOND.

YOU AGREE WITH TRUMP'S LAWYER, WHAT HE SAID ON JANUARY 6th IS PROTECTED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

MAKE YOUR CASE.

>> THE CONTROLLING CASE IS RANDENBURG VERSUS OHIO, A K.K.K.

LEADER WAS CALLING FOR VIOLENCE AGAINST BLACKS AND JEWS.

THAT WAS HELD TO BE PROTECTED SPEECH BECAUSE IT WAS NOT DIRECTED TO INCITING OR PRODUCING, QUOTE, "IMMINENT LAWLESS ACTION."

IN TRUMP'S CALL TO ACTION, HE SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT THEY SHOULD BE PEACEFUL.

I DON'T SEE HOW HIS SPEECH CAN BE SEEN OUTSIDE OF RANDENBURG'S PROTECTION, IF HE SPECIFICALLY SAID TO BE PEACE FUM.

THAT'SPEACEFUL.THAT'S THE CRUX OF IT.

>> Braude: JENNIFER, YOU'RE ON THE BOARD OF " "IMPEACH TRUMP NOW," AND SO YOU'RE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF HARVEY?

>> YES.

BUT LET ME SAY I ADMIRE HIS LEGAL WORK, AND EVEN IF WE DISAGREE ON THINGS, I JUST WANT TO GET THAT OUT THERE.

>> Braude: NOW WE'RE GETTING TO HOWEVER -- GO AHEAD.

>> LOOKING TO THE BRIEF WRITTEN BY THE HOUSE MANAGERS, THEY TAKE IT BACK TWO STEPS BEFORE WE EVEN GET TO BRANDENBURG.

FIRST, THERE IS AN ARGUMENT THAT THE FIRST AMENDMENT WON'T EVEN APPLY IN THIS CONTEXT BECAUSE THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS DESIGNED TO PROTECT CITIZENS FROM GOVERNMENT, AND THAT IT WOULDN'T APPLY HERE BECAUSE, AGAIN, AT THAT TRUMP WAS SPEAKING, WHAT THE INITIAL IMPEACHMENT WAS BASED ON, HE WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, AND IT IS REALLY PRIVATE CITIZENS THAT NEED TO BE PROTECTED.

EVEN IF THAT ARGUMENT ISN'T COMPELLING, IT IS CLEAR THAT UNDER THE CONSTITUTION, PRIVATE CITIZENS ARE HELD ON DIFFERENT FOOTING THAN GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS.

AND, EVEN IF THAT IS NOT COMPELLING, THEN WE GET TO THE BRANDENBURG STANDARD, AND READING FROM THE LANGUAGE OF THE DECISION, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HE WOULDN'T BE PROTECTED THAT IS DIRECTED TOWARDS INCITING OR LAWLESS ACTIONS, OR LIKELY TO PRODUCE SUCH ACTION.

PRESIDENT TRUMP, IN HIS REPLY TO THE ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT, TRIED TO CLAIM HE WAS JUST ENCOURAGING HIS SUPPORTERS TO SORT OF GENERALLY SUPPORT ELECTION INTEGRITY.

BUT THE WORDS HE WAS USING WHEN HE SENT THEM OVER TO THE CAPITOL, WERE NOT THAT LANGUAGE.

IT WAS URGENT.

THINGS LIKE "STOP THE STEAL."

THE LANGUAGE HE WAS USING, YOU HAVE TO FIGHT.

HE KNEW AT THAT MOMENT THAT HE WAS INCITING VIOLENCE, I BELIEVE.

AND WHAT IS ALSO, IN ADDITION TO THAT, HIS ACTION AFTER THE VIOLENT INSURRECTION WAS UNDER WAY SHOWS A CERTAIN MINDSET.

IT WAS SEVERAL HOURS -- >> Braude: JENNIFER, LET ME HARVEY BACK IN THIS.

HARVEY, I SHOULD SAY THAT FOR A FLEETING MOMENT, THE REPUBLICAN LEADER OF THE HOUSE AND THE REPUBLICAN LEADER OF THE SENATE, LONG-TIME TRUMPITES, THEY AGREED WITH JENNIFER IN TERMS OF THE PRESIDENT BEING THE INCITER IN CHIEF HERE.

WHY ARE ALL THREE OF THEM WRONG?

>> THE PROBLEM IS, THEY'RE NOT OFF THE CHARTS.

JENNIFER IS NOT OFF THE CHARTS.

BUT NEITHER IS MY INTERPRETATION OFF THE CHARTS.

THERE ARE TWO POSSIBLE INTERPRETATIONS HERE, WHETHER THE PRESIDENT'S SPEECH FITS WITHIN BRANDENBURG.

THE FACT THAT HE SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED THE CROWD TO USE PEACEFUL MEANS IS VERY POTENT.

AND YOU MAY THINK, AND I MAY THINK, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE MAY THINK HE REALLY DIDN'T MEAN IT, BUT WHEN THERE ARE TWO POSSIBLE INTERPRETATIONS, THE LAW REQUIRES THAT THE MORE LENIENT, THE RULE OF LENALITY, IT IS CALLED, THE MORE LENIENT INTERPRETATION SHOULD GOVERN.

>> Braude: LET'S MOVE ON TO ANOTHER ARGUMENT OF YOURS.

HERE IS SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER, NOW THE MAJORITY LEADER OF THE SENATE, ON JANUARY 19th.

HERE HE IS FROM THE SENATE FLOOR.

>> AFTER WHAT HE HAS DONE, THE CONSEQUENCES OF WHICH WE WERE ALL WITNESS TO, DONALD TRUMP SHOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO RUN FOR OFFICE EVER AGAIN.

AND IF THE PRESIDENT IS CONVICTED, THERE WILL BE A VOTE ON BARRING HIM FROM RUNNING AGAIN.

>> Braude: HARVEY, YOU DON'T LIKE THAT, EITHER.

BRIEFLY, WHY NOT?

>> BECAUSE IT DEPRIVES THE AMERICAN ELECTORATE OF CHOICE, AND THAT IS VERY UNDEMOCRATIC.

SCHUMER IS VIRTUALLY ADMITTING THAT THE REASON THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING THROUGH THIS CHARADE IS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO FACE TRUMP ON THE BALLOT FOUR YEARS FROM NOW.

THAT IS NOT ONLY ANTI-DEMOCRATIC, BUT IT IS GOING TO IM BITTER -- >> Braude: WHY THEN DO WE HAVE THE 14th AMENDMENT, CONGRESS CAN ENSURE YOU NEVER SERVE AGAIN -- WHAT IS IT THERE FOR IF THEY DETERMINED HE DID ENGAGE IN INSURRECTION?

QUICKLY, IF YOU CAN.

>> IF IT IS CLEAR THAT THE PRESIDENT ENGAGED IN INSURRECTION AND URGED INSURRECTION, AND WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING IT IS AT BEST EQUIVALENT EQUIVOCAL AND NOT CLEAR.

>> Braude: JENNIFER, WHAT IS YOUR POSITION ON PERMANENTLY BARRING HIM FROM RUNNING FOR OFFICE UNDER THE 14th AMENDMENT?

>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RIGHT TO IMPEACHMENT, AND THE RESULT OF THOSE IMPEACHMENTS, THE REMEDIES, YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO LOOK TO THE 14th AMENDMENT.

IT IS CLEAR IN ARTICLE 1 THAT THERE ARE TWO REMEDIES WHEN A PRESIDENT IS -- OR WHEN AN OFFICER IS CONVICTED UNDER AN -- AFTER AN IMPEACHMENT TRIAL.

ONE IS REMOVAL FROM OFFICE.

AND, TWO, IF THERE IS A CONVICTION, THEN YOU'RE ENTITLED TO HAVE A SECOND VOTE, AS WE KNOW.

AND WITH A SIMPLE MAJORITY, BAR THAT PERSON FROM EVER SERVING AGAIN.

AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT -- >> Braude: AND YOU THINK THAT THRESHOLD, THAT STANDARD, HAS BEEN MET?

YOU AGREE WITH SCHUMER ON THIS?

>> WHAT I'M DEBATING NOW WITH HARVEY IS THERE ARE TWO QUESTIONS: WHETHER THIS SHOULD -- THERE IS A DO YOU THINK THIS SHOULD MOVE FORWARD AS A POLICY MATTER?

AND SECONDLY, IS THERE A LEGAL RIGHT TO, ONE, TRY A FORMER OFFICER UNDER ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT, AND, TWO, WHETHER THE CONSTITUTION PROVIDES FOR THEIR BARRING FROM OFFICE.

ON THE SECOND POINT -- >> Braude: JENNIFER -- JENNIFER, LET ME STOP YOU.

HARVEY DIDN'T ADDRESS THE ISSUE YOU MENTIONED, BUT TRUMP'S LEGAL TEAM DOES.

"THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION REQUIRES THAT A PERSON ACTUALLY HOLD OFFICE TO BE IMPEACHED.

SINCE THE 45th PRESIDENT IS NO LONGER PRESIDENT, THE CURRENT PROCEEDING BEFORE THE SENATE IS ILLEGAL NULLITY, AND IT RUNS IN CONTRAST TO THE PLAIN LANGUAGE OF THE CONSTITUTION."

47 SENATORS AGREED WITH THAT THE OTHER DAY.

WHAT IS YOUR POSITION ON THAT, JENNIFER TROG?

DO THEY HAVE TO RIGHT TO -- >> JUST LIKE THEY'RE MISSPELLING UNITED STATES, THEY'RE NOT VERY CHEERFUL IN THEIR LANGUAGE.

PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT WHEN HE WAS IMPEACHED.

THE ACTUAL IMPEACHMENT TRIALS THAT HAVE BEEN HELD IN THE PAST, AND WHAT THE FOUNDERS SAID -- THAT IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG ON THE LAW HERE.

>> Braude: HARVEY, ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT ON THAT ISSUE, AT LEAST?

>> I THINK THAT IT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS IMPEACHMENT -- AFTER ALL, HE IS OUT OF OFFICE.

SO WE'RE RID OF HIM IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

IF THE PURPOSE IS TO PREVENT HIM FROM RUNNING AGAIN, TAKING VOTE PREVENTING HIM FROM RUNNING AGAIN, THAT IS NOT ONLY ANTI-DEMOCRATIC, BUT IT IS GOING TO REALLY REV UP A LOT OF VOTERS WHO WILL ARE SYMPATHETIC TO HIM.

>> Braude: HARVEY, THAT'S A POLITICAL ARGUMENT.

I WANT A LEGAL ARGUMENT.

CAN YOU TRY A FORMER FEDERAL OFFICIAL IN AN IMPEACHMENT TRIAL IN THE SENATE?

CAN YOU OR CAN'T YOU?

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

THE SCHOLARS ARE SPLIT ON THAT.

IF THE SCHOLARS ARE SPLIT, IT MEANS IT NOT CLEAR.

>> WHEN YOU SAY SCHOLARS ARE SPLIT -- >> Braude: QUICKLY, JENNIFER.

>> LOOK, IT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE.

WE EVEN HAVE -- WE HAVE MEMBERS OF THE FEDERALIST SOCIETY AND PROGRESSIVES ALL AGREEING THERE IS EVIDENCE IN HISTORY OF THESE TRIALS HAPPENING.

AND IF YOU CANNOT TRY A FORMER PRESIDENT FOR AN IMPEACHMENT THAT WAS -- THE IMPEACHMENT THAT WAS DONE WHEN HE WAS IN OFFICE, ALL THAT MEANS IS THEY CAN AVOID THIS VERY IMPORTANT REMEDY IN THE CONSTITUTION SIMPLY BY RESIGNING.

>> BUT WHAT IS THE PURPOSE -- >> Braude: HARVEY, GO AHEAD.

>> WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF TRYING A PRESIDENT WHO IS OUT OF OFFICE?

I SEE ONLY ONE PURPOSE: LEADING TO A DISQUALIFICATION TO RUN AGAIN.

OTHERWISE -- >> Braude: BY THE WAY, HARVEY, IF I MAY, I'M NOT THE CONSTITUTIONAL EXPERT HERE, WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION DOES IT SAY THAT THOSE WHO IMPEACH AND TRY THE PRESIDENT NEED TO ANNOUNCE WHAT THEIR PURPOSE IS?

>> I'M GOING TO JUMP IN FOR A SECOND.

I KNOW YOU WANT HARVEY TO ANSWER THAT.

I'VE BEEN MAKING THE LEGAL ARGUMENT, BUT I ACTUALLY WANT TO MAKE THE POLICY ARGUMENT.

I WANT US TO LOOK AT HISTORY HERE.

THIS WAS A FAILED COUP DE TA.

AND I BELIEVE HE SENT VIOLENT PEOPLE IN TO ACTUALLY KILL MIKE PENCE AND TO DISRUPT THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES BEING COUNTED SO HE COULD STAY IN OFFICE.

>> BUT THAT'S NOT -- >> Braude: JENNIFER, LET HARVEY TO RESPOND TO THAT.

IF YOU CAN, HARVEY, PLEASE, QUICKLY.

>> I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN SAY THAT WHEN HE SPECIFICALLY ASKED THE CROWD TO USE PEACEFUL MEANS.

>> IT WAS NOT THE LAST THING HE SAID.

AND IT WAS BURIED IN MANY THINGS THAT HE SAID.

IT IS WHAT -- IF YOU WATCH THE VIDEO, SIMULTANEOUS VIDEO OF WHAT HE WAS SAYING, WHAT A GIANT CROWD -- IF YOU'VE BEEN IN ONE -- WHAT THEY ACTUALLY HEARD AND WHAT HE DID.

AND WHAT HE DID AFTERWARD.

HE WAS DESCRIBED AS BEING DELIGHTED.

HE DID NOT TELL THEM TO LEAVE THE CAPITOL.

HE KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING.

AND I DON'T THINK ONE STATEMENT AMONG MANY, VERY HYPED UP STATEMENTS, SAYING STOP THE STEAL, AND SENDING THEM IN THERE, IT IS NOT CONSISTENT -- IT'S LIKE A TINY LITTLE FOOTNOTE AT THE BECOME OF THE PAGE.

IT WAS OVERWHELMED BY THE OTHER INFORMATION.

BUT WHAT I WANTED TO SAY, THE EXPERTS AND AUTHORITARIANS SAY, EXPERTS IN FASCISM SAY, REMINDING US ADOLPH HITLER HAD A FAILED COUP AND 10 YEARS LATER HE RAN FOR OFFICE.

IT IS PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE FOR LAWMAKERS NOT TO WANT THIS MAN TO BE ABLE TO SERVE IN PUBLIC OFFICE AGAIN.

IT IS A REMEDY UNDER THE CONSTITUTION AND IT SHOULD NOT BE DEPRIVED OF THE CONGRESS, GIVEN THAT, ONE, THE HOUSE IS IN CHARGE OF ALL IMPEACHMENTS, AND THE SENATE HAS THE RIGHT TO TRY ALL IMPEACHMENTS.

AND LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS AT THAT TRIAL.

>> Braude: HARVEY, ONE LAST REPLY TO THAT, PLEASE.

>> IS IT REASONABLE FOR MEMBERS OF THE CONGRESS TO MAKE THAT DECISION FOR THE AMERICAN ELECTORATE?

>> I LOOK AT THE CONSTITUTION, AND THEY'RE GIVEN THAT POWER.

THAT'S THERE.

AND IF YOU WANT TO -- >> Braude: HARVEY -- JENNIFER, IF I MAY, YOU HAVEN'T RESPONDED TO THAT ISSUE FROM JENNIFER AND ME.

IT IS IN THE CONSTITUTION.

IS YOUR POSITION BECAUSE IT IS UNDEMOCRATIC, THAT NOBODY SHOULD -- NO ELECTED OFFICIAL, FEDERAL, SHOULD EVER BE BARRED FROM RUNNING FOR OFFICE, DESPITE THESE CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISIONS?

>> THAT'S WHAT I THINK IS UNWISE.

BUT I THINK THE SECOND IMPEACHMENT OF A PRESIDENT WHO IS OUT OF OFFICE IS WHAT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

THAT IS THE CRUX OF MY ARGUMENT.

HE IS GONE.

HE IS OUT.

>> Braude: ON THAT NOTE, GENTLEMAN AND LADY, WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE IT THERE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> Braude: HARVEY SILVERGLATE, JENNIFER TAUB, THANKS.

>>> AS WE TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY, WITH PERFORMANCE VENUES CLOSED OR OPERATING AT LIMITED CAPACITY FOR ALMOST A YEAR NOW, ARTISTS HAVE BEEN GETTING CREATIVE TO BRING SHOWS DIRECTLY TO THEIR FANS.

AND THAT INCLUDES ONE OF MY FAVORITES: SINGER-SONGWRITER AND FOLK LEGEND TOM RUSH, WHO'S BEEN PUTTING ON A MINI CONCERT EVERY WEEK FROM HOME, WITH A SONG AND A STORY, VIA THE ONLINE MEMBERSHIP PLATFORM PATREON.

HE CALLS THE REGULAR APPEARANCES "ROCKPORT SUNDAYS," AFTER THE TOWN HE LIVES IN, AND AN INDUSTRIAL TRACK ON HIS 1968 ALBUM, "THE CIRCLE GAME."

HERE IS A LITTLE BIT FROM ONE OF THEM: ♪ IF I WAS A GUITAR, I'D PLAY JUST FOR YOU ♪ ♪ IF I WAS A BASS DRUM, I'D GO BOOM, BOOM, BOOM ♪ ♪ IF I WAS A SLIDE TROMBONE, YOU COULD PLAY ME ALL NIGHT LONG ♪ ♪ IF I WAS A TEAM ROLLER, I WOULD ROLL YOU OVER.

♪ BUT I AIN'T NOTHING BUT A MAN TO LOVE YOU, HONEY ♪ >> Braude: TOM RUSH JOINS ME FOR SOME BIGGER PLANS FOR THE LATEST INSTALLMENT.

GOOD TO SEE YOU, TOM.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY IN ADVANCE.

>> GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

>> Braude: ARE YOU DOING THIS BECAUSE YOU MISS PERFORMING OR YOU MISS A PAYCHECK.

>> I'M MISSING AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION.

THE PAYCHECK IS PART OF IT.

THIS ISN'T QUITE THE SAME AS WORKING IN FRONT OF A LIVE AUDIENCE, BUT IT HAS BEEN VERY GRATIFYING.

EVERYBODY CAN POST COMMENTS, AND THEY'VE JUST BEEN SO SUPPORTIVE AND ENTHUSIASTIC.

IT HAS JUST BEEN ONE SONG, A QUIT, BITE-SIZED MORSEL EVERY SUNDAY, BUT THERE IS A LIBRARY OF EIGHT WEEKS WORTH OF MOR SELLS MORSELS YOU CAN WATCH EVERY WEEK.

>> Braude: AND SOME WEEKS,WEEKS -- SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU.

SOME WEEKS YOU SING AND SOME WEEKS YOU READ FROM A BOOK YOU WROTE?

>> I'M WRITING A BOOK ABOUT WHY YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO BE A TOURING MUSICIAN.

I OCCASIONALLY WILL READ SOME PAGES FROM THAT.

I'LL DO A SONG OR TELL A ROAD STORY.

I JUST TOLD THE ONE ABOUT CLINT EASTWOOD AND THE HASHISH BROWNIE.

THERE IS ANOTHER ONE ABOUT SKINNY DIPPING WITH JANIS JOPLIN COMING UP SOME TIME SOON.

>> Braude: JUST SO PEOPLE ARE CLEAR, YOU PAY A MONTHLY FEE, IT IS A SUBSCRIPTION, $10 A MONTH, AND THEN IT IS AUTOMATICALLY DEPOSITED IN YOUR E-MAIL ON SATURDAY NIGHT OR SUNDAY MORNING.

>> IT GOES UP ON MIDNIGHT ON SATURDAY EVENING, TUESDAY IN AUSTRALIA, BUT THAT THERE IS THEIR PROBLEM.

>> Braude: I'M TOLD YOU'RE HUGE IN AUSTRALIA, BY THE WAY.

IT IS USUALLY ONE SONG FROM THE KITCHEN, THE LIVING ROOM, WHEREVER IT IS.

I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU ARE 80 YEARS OLD.

YOU KNOW THIS -- I DON'T KNOW IF THE AUDIENCE DOES -- I WAS WATCHING YOU AT FOLK CLUBS WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE A LONG, LONG TIME AGO.

NEXT WEEK YOU'RE 80, AND YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE SPECIAL FOR YOUR 80th BIRTHDAY.

HOW IS IT A LITTLE DIFFERENT?

>> THE GUY DOING THE VIDEO WITH ME SA TOTAL PRO.

HER USED TO WORK AT GBH DOING VIDEO PRODUCTION.

HE PUT TOGETHER A STRING OF INTERVIEW QUESTIONS.

HE IS NOT INTERVIEWING ME, BUT ASKED ME TO TALK ABOUT JONI MITCHELL, AND IT IS MY BIRTHDAY PRESENT TO THE SUBSCRIBERS.

>> Braude: IT'S A GREAT PRESENT.

LAST NIGHT WE HAD THE HEAD OF THE HUNTINGTON THEATER AND THE HEAD OF THE RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION, AND THEY'RE DOING A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT WITH GBH THIS WEEKEND.

THEY'RE DOING A PLAY AND THEY'RE URGING PEOPLE TO GET A MEAL.

AS I'M TALKING TO THEM LAST NIGHT, I'M SAYING TO MYSELF, THIS IS SUCH A GOOD IDEA, AND I KNOW IT IS A PRODUCT OF PANDEMIC TIMES, BUT WHY, I SAID TO THEM, AREN'T YOU DOING THIS KIND OF THING WHEN WE'RE NOT IN A PANDEMIC.

AND I'LL SAY THE SAME TO YOU: NOW THAT YOU'VE DONE THIS, ALMOST FORCED TO DO THIS FAN-DIRECT THING, FOR LACK OF A BETTER EXPRESSION, WHY WOULDN'T YOU CONTINUE THIS WHEN THINGS RETURN TO, QUOTE, " "NORMAL," RELATIVELY SOON?

>> I THINK I WILL BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A LOT OF FUN.

I'M HAVING A GREAT TIME.

GETTING IT UP AND ROLLING TOOK SOME WORK, BUT NOW THAT IT IS UP AND ROLLING, IT IS A LOT OF FUN TO DO.

I DON'T SEE WHY I WOULDN'T KEEP DOING THEM AFTER I'M BACK ON THE ROAD AGAIN.

IN REGARD TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID, I'VE BEEN URGING EVERYBODY OUT THERE TO SUPPORT THEIR LOCAL PERFORMING ARTS VENUES EVERY CHANCE YOU GET BECAUSE IT IS NOT JUST THE ARTISTS OUT OF WORK, THE SOUND MEN, THE LIGHT MEN, THE TICKET SELLERS, EVERYBODY IS HAVING A HARD TIME.

AND IT WOULD BE A SHAME IF WE COULD ALL GO BACK ON THE ROAD AND THERE WAS NO PLACE TO GO.

>> Braude: SPEAKING OF OTHER PERFORMERS AND PEOPLE BEHIND THE SCENES, YOU'VE GOT OUT OF YOUR WAY, IN THE TIME I'VE KNOWN YOU, TO ADVANCE THE CAREERS OF A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE.

IT IS ONE THING FOR SOMEONE LIKE YOU, AND OTHER PEOPLE WITH A NAME, TO SURVIVE A PANDEMIC.

DO YOU WORRY THAT A LOT OF THE YOUNG PERFORMERS WON'T SURVIVE TO DO THE SAME THINGS THEY WERE GETTING REALLY GOOD AT BEFORE LAST MARCH?

>> IT IS A CONCERN.

I'M VERY, VERY LUCKY BECAUSE AFTER 50 HOWEVER MANY YEARS OF PLAYING, I'VE GOT A BASE OF SUPPORTERS THAT I CAN CALL ON TO SUBSCRIBE TO "ROCKPORT SUNDAY," AND GO TO MY WEBSITE TO SIGN UP FOR THAT.

THE YOUNGSTERS MAYBE DON'T HAVE THAT ESTABLISHED BASE, SO, YES, IT IS SOMETHING TO WORRY ABOUT.

>> Braude: YOU WERE A YOUNGSTER ONCE, TOO.

DO YOU REMEMBER THAT?

>> I STILL AIM.

I'M GOING TO GET A FAKE I.D.

THAT SAYS I'M 35.

>> Braude: BEFORE YOU GO -- HOW OLD WERE YOU WHEN YOU STARTED PERFORMING?

I INCUMBENT BELIEVE CAN'T BELIEVE I DON'T KNOW THIS.

>> IT WAS PROBABLY WHEN I WAS AT TRITON SCHOOL.

WE HAD A BAND THERE.

I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN 18, 19.

>> Braude: WE ONLY HAVE 15 SECONDS LEFT, BUT IF I MET YOU THEN AND SAID 60 YEARS LATER YOU WOULD BE TALKING TO HIM ON YOUR 80th BIRTHDAY, WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE SAID?

>> I WOULD SAY GO TO GUCH TOMTomrush.com AND SIGN UP.

>> Braude: CONGRATULATIONS ON EVERYTHING.

FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ROCKPORT SUNDAYS AND ALL OTHER THINGS TOM RUSH, HEAD TO HIS WEBSITE, Tomrush.com, AND FOR A LITTLE MORE ON TOM, STICK AROUND TO THE END OF THE SHOW.

>>> A FEW YEARS AGO, I HAD A VERY IMPORTANT DECISION TO MAKE: AT WHICH PHARMACY DID I WANT TO FILL MY PRESCRIPTION.

IN THE END, I WENT WITH WALGREENS, AND NOW I'M REALLY GLAD I DID.

HERE IS WHY: THEY NAMED ROSALIND BREWER AS THEIR NEXT C.E.O., MAKING HER THE ONLY BLACK WOMAN AT THE HELM OF THE FORTUNE 500 COMPANY.

SHE IS IS THE ONE AND ONLY ONE IN 2021, ON A TOUGH CORPORATE ROAD TO BE PIONEERING ALONE, AS SHE TALKED ABOUT A FEW YEARS BACK.

>> IT ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT FEEL GOOD.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT IT IS ACTUALLY QUITE LONELY BECAUSE EVERY NOW AND THEN, YOU WANT TO CATCH THE EYE OR HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THAT OTHER PERSON THAT YOU KNOW YOU SHARE SOMETHING SIMILAR IN LIFE WITH.

>> Braude: CORPORATE AMERICA'S ALWAYS HAD A SERIOUS PROBLEM WHEN IT COMES TO RECRUITING, PROMOTING, AND DEVELOPING A PIPELINE OF TOP JOBS FOR WOMEN, ESPECIALLY WOMEN OF COLOR.

SINCE THE DEATHS OF GEORGE FLOYD, AHMAUD ARBERY, AND BREONNA TAYLOR, COMPANIES VOWED TO DO MORE TO DIVERSIFY THEIR RANKS.

BUT NINE MONTHS LATER, THERE ARE PLENTY STATEMENTS, BUT NOT MUCH ACTION.

ACACCORDING TO THE ANNUAL MERCER REPORT, "WHEN WOMEN THRIVE," BY THE END OF LAST YEAR, ONLY 13% OFFERED PROGRAMS SPECIFICALLY TARGETED TO WOMEN OF COLOR.

WHILE MORE THAN HALF TRACKED RATES OF HIRING, PROMOTIONS AND EXITS, ONLY 23% SCREENED PERFORMANCE REVIEWS BY RACE OR ETHNICITY TO PREVENT BIAS OR DISCRIMINATION.

AND GLOBALLY, WHILE EIGHT IN 10 ORGANIZATIONS SAY THEY'RE FOCUSED ON DIVERSITY IN INCLUSION EFFORTS, LESS THAN HALF OF THEM HAVE ANY DOCUMENTED PLAN TO FOLLOW THROUGH.

HERE IN MASSACHUSETTS, THE SITUATION IS JUST AS BLEAK.

THE BOSTON CLUB'S LATEST REPORT SHOWS MORE THAN THREE-QUARTERS OF THE HUNDRED LARGEST PUBLIC COMPANIES IN THE STATE HAVE NO WOMEN OF COLOR AMONG THEIR DIRECTORS.

AND 87% DON'T HAVE A SINGLE WOMAN OF COLOR AMONG THEIR EXECUTIVE OFFICERS.

THANKFUL, THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO TO MAKE REAL PROGRESS TO THIS DECADES-OLD PROBLEM IF WE WANT TO.

CALIFORNIA OFFERS A GOOD EXAMPLE.

GOVERNOR GAVIN NEWSOM SIGNED A LAW IN SEPTEMBER REQUIRING PUBLICLY TRADED CORPORATIONS TO APPOINT DIRECTORS FROM MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES TO THEIR BOARDS.

BY THE ENDS OF 2021, THE BOARDS MUST INCLUDE AT LEAST ONE MEMBER OF AN UNDERREPRESENTED BACKGROUND, AND THAT INCREASES DEPENDING ON BOARD SIZE IN 2022.

AND EVEN WALL STREET IS DEMANDING CHANGE, WITH NASDAQ SUBMITTING A DRAFT RULE IN DECEMBER, AIMING THE LIST OF 3,000 COMPANIES TO APPOINT AT LEAST ONE WOMAN, AND AT LEAST ONE MINORITY OR LGBTQ PLUS PERSON TO THEIR BOARDS OR ELSE FACE DELISTING.

IT MIGHT NOT CHANGE THE WORLD OVERNIGHT, BUT IT IS A START.

NOW LET'S HOPE THE REST OF WHITE-MALE-DOMINATED CORPORATE AMERICA FOLLOWS SUIT AND THAT ROSALIND BREWER GETS A LOT MORE COMPANY AT HER LEVEL AND SOON.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

E-MAIL US, TWEET US, SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS.

THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT.

WE'LL BE BACK TOMORROW.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WATCHING, AND PLEASE STAY SAFE.

AS WE PROMISED, WE LEAVE YOU WITH A LITTLE MORE FROM TOM RUSH.

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