VOTING REFORM DEAD ON ARRIVAL, HOCHUL'S STATE OF THE STATE.

AND NO-VAX JOE-KOVICH GETS GRAND SLAMMED.

STAY TUNED, IVORY TOWER IS NEXT.

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO IVORY TOWER.

I'M DAVID CHANATRY, FROM UTICA COLLEGE.

ON THE PANEL TONIGHT WE HAVE LUKE PERRY, FROM UTICA COLLEGE, CHAD SPARBER FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY, ANIRBAN ACHARYA FROM LEMOYNE COLLEGE, AND RICK FENNER FROM UTICA COLLEGE.

NOW THIS WEEK SAW A LOT OF ACTION, BUT NO REAL MOVEMENT ON THE EFFORTS TO CHANGE THE RULES AROUND VOTING.

PRESIDENT BIDEN GAVE A PASSIONATE SPEECH ENDORSING THE IDEA OF A “CARVE OUT ” IN THE FILIBUSTER TO PASS TWO VOTING BILLS CURRENTLY STALLED IN THE SENATE.

YESTERDAY SIRS TIN SINEMA TOOK TO THE FLOOR AND SAID SHE WON'T GO ALONG SAYING FILIBUSTER IS ESSENTIAL TO FORGING BIPARTISAN COMPROMISE.

SO THE VOTING RIGHTS PUSH SEEMS ALL BUT DEAD.

WHO IS RIGHT, THE PRESIDENT OR THE SENATOR FROM ARIZONA?

>> I THINK THEY'RE BOTH PLAYING IT WRONG.

PRESIDENT BIDEN IS TRYING TO RALLY THE BASE WHICH IS ERODING HIS IMAGE OF MAKING DEALS AND BEING ABLE TO COMPROMISE WITH REPUBLICANS.

SINEMA WANTS TO BE RE-ELECTED BUT IS ACCENTUATING INTERNAL SQUABBLES WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THAT MAKES THEM LOOK INCOMPETENT F. THEY REALLY WANT TO HELP SECURE THE ELECTORAL SYSTEM, SECURING 10 REPUBLICANS TO REVISE THE ELECTORAL COUNT ACT TO AVOID WHAT HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6 IS THE WAY TO GO.

SO MAYBE THE STRATEGY FOR SCHUMER IS TO CREATE THE ENVIRONMENT TO HELP MAKE THAT HAPPEN, BUT I'M NOT SO SURE.

>> SO THE ELECTORAL COUNT ACT OF 1887, THAT'S STILL IN PLACE HERE?

>> I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THEIR PLAN B AND WHAT THEY'RE HOPING TO WORK FOR, BUT PLAN A IS NOT GOING TO WORK AS IS.

>> LUKE, I'M CURIOUS.

WHY DO YOU THINK THAT REPUBLICANS WOULD BE MORE WILLING TO SUPPORT THAT THAN THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT?

BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK ULTIMATELY WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT IS MAKING SURE THAT STATES DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO INVALIDATE A POPULAR VOTE AND SO THE ELECTORAL COUNT ACT IS MOST IMPORTANT.

BUT WHY ARE YOU MORE OPTIMISTIC THAT WILL YOU GET 10 REPUBLICANS TO BACK THAT?

>> DEFINITELY GOING TO BE TOUGH, BUT I THINK YOU HAVE AT LEAST A HANDFUL OF REPUBLICAN SENATORS WHO DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE RERUN OF JANUARY 6 AND ARE WILLING TO WORK TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

MITCH McCONNELL HAS SIGNALED HE IS OKAY WITH THAT.

HE MIGHT EVEN BE ON BOARD, WHEREAS THE VOTING RIGHTS LEGISLATION, IT'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT LIBERALS HAVE WANTED FOR A LONG TIME AND THEY'RE TELLING THEMSELVES IT'S NECESSARY TO PRESERVE DEMOCRACY BUT REPUBLICANS DON'T AGREE.

NATIONAL HOLIDAY FOR VOTING, MANDATING EARLY VOTING.

THERE ISN'T CONSENSUS THAT THAT'S NECESSARY TO SECURE OUR ELECTORAL SYSTEM?

>> I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT.

AND YOU KNOW WHO HAD A GOOD WEEK THIS WEEK?

MITT ROMNEY.

MITT ROMNEY ON MONDAY REAFFIRMED IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT JOE BIDEN WON THE PRESIDENCY.

THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE FROM THE GET GO.

THE VERY NEXT DAY HE RIGHTLY CONDEMNED BIDEN ON HIS PEACH SPEECH ON THE VOTING RIGHTS FOR "GOING DOWN THE SAME TRAGIC ROAD AS PRESIDENT TRUMP CASTING DOUBT ON AMERICAN ELECTIONS.

FOR THE LAW TO PASS THE SENATE, IT MUST APPEAL TO BOTH PARTIES.

CAN YOU IMAGINE THE ANGER IF THEY SAW DEMOCRATS REWRITE WITH NO REPUBLICANS AT ALL THE VOTING RIGHTS OF THE COUNTRY.

>> THEY WOULD BE WRONG TO JETTISON THE FILIBUSTER EVEN IF THE VOTING LAWS THEMSELVES ARE JUST.

THE PROCESS IS SUPER IMPORTANT AND SO GETTING THOSE 10 REPUBLICANS ON BOARD FOR THE ISSUE THAT YOU ARE TALKING IS VERY KEY.

>> THE DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING, ARE THEY NOT, THAT ALL IS LOST IF WE GO TO AN ELECTION NOW WITH ALL THESE VARIOUS EFFORTS AROUND THE COUNTRY TO CHANGE VOTING RULES.

YOU KNOW, ALL IS LOST IF WE DON'T DO IT NOW AND THERE IS NO TIME TO-- TO RALLY 10 REPUBLICANS.

>> THE DEMOCRATS HAVE A LOT OF SAINGT MOAN WHEN IT COMES TO SAINGT MOANY WHEN IT COMES TO THE VOTING RIGHTS AND THIS TIES TO THE TOPIC LAST WEEK.

SAY YOU GO BACK TO NOVEMBER 2016, AN ARTICLE FOR THE ATLANTIC THAT WAS ONE OF MANY IN THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA AT THE TIME CALLING ON FAITHFUL SELECTORS IN ELECTORAL COLLEGE TO OVERTURN THEY HAVE CITEABLE EVIDENCE.

SO THE THINGS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS LIKE THROWING FUEL ON TO A FIRE.

SO AGAIN THE LEFT, I'M NOT SO SURE I'M CONVINCED ABOUT THE SORT OF MORAL SUPERIORITY ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES.

>> AN ANIRBAN, THE G.O.P.

ARE SAYING THE FEARS ARE OVERBLOWN.

>> I WOULD NOT SAY THAT FEARS ARE OVERBLOWN AT ALL.

THERE HAS BEEN A CONSISTENT ATTACK TO REDUCE, YOU KNOW, VOTING RIGHTS IN WAYS THAT ARE VERY PROBLEMATIC.

WE ARE SEEING A SPECTOR OF VIOLENT CHANGE IN AMERICA AND WE SAW THAT IN JANUARY AND SO I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE.

THE ORIGINAL H.R.-1 THAT WAS IN 2019.

LATER ON, THE FREEDOM TO VOTE ACT.

JOE MANCHIN WAS ONE OF THE CO-SPONSORS OF THAT ACT.

HE SAID IF WE CAN DILUTE HR-1 A LITTLEBY, THE REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES WOULD COME IN.

THEY DIDN'T, RIGHT?

SO FILIBUSTER IS A SENATE RULE THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED MANY TIMES TO ALLOW OTHER KINDS OF LEGISLATION, APPOINTMENT OF SUPREME COURT JUSTICES AND SO ON.

I DON'T SEE WHY FILIBUSTER WOULD BE CHANGED BEFORE PASSING VERY IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, LEGISLATION.

>> AT WHAT POINT DOES IT GET RIDICULOUS?

WE CARVE OUT A FILIBUSTER FOR THIS AND CARVE OUT FOR THAT AND IT BECOMES A NPO EXIPT.

>> WELL, TO SAVE AMERICAN DEMOCRACY FROM RIGHT WING VICIOUS ATTACKS, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO CARVE THAT OUT, RIGHT?

AND THE REFORM ACT, YES, I THINK BROAD SUPPORT FROM REPUBLICAN SENATORS, THEY CAN GO FOR IT BUT THEN THE THING IS THAT AFTER THAT PASSES, ANY CHANGES THAT HAPPEN TO THE ACT, ALL LEGISLATION WOULD BE GONE, RIGHT?

AND WE ARE SEEING THAT STATES ARE PUTTING-- GEORGIA, IT IS CRIMINALIZED TO GIVE PEOPLE FOOD AND WATER ON A LINE.

WHAT KIND OF DEMOCRACY IS THAT?

I'M REALLY LIKE FLABBERGASTED AT THE DENIAL THAT THERE IS NOT A SYSTEMATIC ATTACK ON AMERICAN DEMOCRACY.

>> BUT WHAT ABOUT THE IDEA THAT THESE THE VOTING HIEFER-- PRIOR TO THE CONTROVERSY IN 2020, VOTING PROCEEDED, PROCEEDED FAIRLY IN MOST PEOPLE'S VIEWS CERTAINLY AND WE DIDN'T NEED ALL THESE CHANGES.

SO WHY DO WE NEED THEM NOW?

>> BUT WE CAME VERY CLOSE TO NEEDING THEM BECAUSE IF A COUPLE OF INDIVIDUALS IN STATES LIKE GEORGIA AND EVEN THE VICE PRESIDENT, HADN'T ACTED DIFFERENTLY, WE COULD HAVE FACED , AGAIN, YOU KNOW, REAL PROBLEM WITH DEMOCRACY IF, YOU KNOW, GEORGIA SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE VOTE, WE ARE GOING TO INVALIDATE THAT AND PUT IN OUR OWN SET OFY SECTORS.

THAT'S WHY I THINK THE ELECTORAL COUNT ACT IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT FOR WHAT POTENTIALLY MAY HAPPEN IN 2024 THAN THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.

>> SO MAYBE THE SENATOR FROM ARIZONA IS ON TO SOMETHING.

I MEAN RIGHT NOW THE LEFT IS NOT HAPPY WITH SENATOR SINEMA, THEY WEREN'T LAST YEAR EITHER YET SHE PLAYED A PRETTY CRITICAL ROLE IN GETTING THAT FIRST INFRASTRUCTURE BILL PASSED.

SO IS SHE PERHAPS SMARTER THAN THE REST IN THE SENSE-- I SHOULDN'T SAY SMARTER BUT THAT SHE IS FORCING THE SIDES TO COME TOGETHER TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY CAN?

>> IF LUKE IS RIGHT AND THEY'RE ABLE TO GET A NUMBER OF REPUBLICAN SENATORS TO BACK THE ELECTORAL COUNT ACT, THEN I AM FINE WITH WHAT SHE HAS DONE.

WE MAY HAVE TO REVISIT THE FILIBUSTER ACT.

IF 10 REPUBLICANS WON'T COME TO SUPPORT WHAT I THINK IS A VERY REASONABLE BILL THERE, THEN WE HAVE TO THINK WHAT ARE THEIR TRUE INTENTIONS DOWN THE ROAD AND SO MAYBE WE HAVE TO REVISIT IT THEN.

>> I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

AND THERE IS THIS DEBATE ON WHETHER THESE REFORMS SHOULD BE NARROW OR SHOULD THEY BE BROAD?

I THINK IF YOU FOCUS ON THE NARROW AND YOU HAVE AN INCREASED CHANCE OF GETTING THE REPUBLICAN SUPPORT YOU NEED.

I'LL REMIND YOU, TOO, THAT 2019 SENATOR GILLIBRAND ARGUED IF YOU DON'T HAVE 60 VOTES YET, IT JUST MEANS YOU HAVEN'T DONE ENOUGH ADVOCACY.

YOU NEED TO WORK HARDER.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT THE FILIBUSTER IN THE MINORITY.

THAT'S WHAT WE FEED TO BE DOING.

>> OKAY.

LET'S MOVE TO NEW YORK STATE NOW.

GOVERNOR KATHY HOCHUL GAVE HER FIRST STATE OF THE STATE ADDRESS LAST WEEK.

SHE CALLED FOR A PROPERTY TAX REBATE AND PROPOSED MOVING UP A PLANNED TAX CUT.

SHE PLEDGED TO MAKE NEW YORK THE MOST BUSINESS-FRIENDLY STATE IN THE NATION —A TALL ORDER IN THIS VERY BLUE STATE —AND SHE WARNED ABOUT OUR TROUBLING LOSS OF POPULATION.

BUT LEST YOU THINK SHE CHANGED PARTIES, SHE ALSO EMPHASIZED DEMOCRATIC PRIORITIES LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND CHILD CARE.

WHAT ASPECT OF HER SPEECH RESONATED THE MOST WITH YOU?

>> SO A LOT OF GOOD THINGS IN THE SPEECH THAT I FOUND.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS WAS LIKE THIS CONNECTING AND BRINGING BROADBAND TO ALL THE PLACES.

FIVE YEAR HOUSING PLAN, $25 BILLION EFFORT TO CREATE AND PRESERVE AFFORDABLE HOMES INCLUDING 10,000 HOMES FOR VULNERABLE POPULATION, A POPULATION AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE WHICH WAS REFORM OF THE JCOPE WHICH IS ETHIC COMMITTEE OR ETHIC COMMISSION AND THE IDEA IS NOW MAYBE IT WILL BE STAFFED BY ROTATING ROSTER OF LAW SCHOOL DEANS.

THAT, I THINK, WOULD BE A GOOD THING.

A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR HEALTHCARE WORKERS $4 MILLION FOR WAGES AND SUPPORTS FOR BONUSES AND THE JAILS TO JOBS PROGRAM THAT ALLOWS INDIVIDUALS TO CONNECT WITH EDUCATION AND RESOURCES AND REDUCE RECIDIVISM AND THIS IS MY PERSONAL THING, THE NAME JAIL TO JOBS COULD BE MADE A LITTLE MORE INCLUSIVE, ALTHOUGH WITH COMPROMISING THE ALLITERATION PART THERE.

>> MAYBE I'M JUST TOO OLD AND I'VE SEEN TOO MANY OF THESE STATE OF THE STATE MESSAGES, BUT I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED AND UNDERWHELMED.

MOST OF WHAT I HEARD, I SEEM TO RECALL FROM GOVERNOR CUOMO'S STATE OF THE STATE MESSAGES AND THAT WOULD BE GOVERNOR MARIO CUOMO NOT ANDREW CUOMO, TALKING ABOUT CORRUPTION AND WORKING TOGETHER AND IMPROVING THE ECONOMY.

ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN SAID BEFORE.

AND THEN WHEN I LOOKED AT SOME OF THE NUMBERS, I WAS REALLY UNDERWHELMED.

LED OFF HER SPEECH WITH $10 BILLION FOR HEALTHCARE OVER FIVE YEARS.

THAT COMES DOWN TO $2 BILLION A YEAR.

NEW YORK STATE ALREADY SPENDS $40 BILLION A YEAR ON HEALTHCARE SO THAT'S 5% INCREASE.

SIGNIFICANT BUT NOT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD THINK WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, LEADING OFF MY STATE OF THE STATE MESSAGE.

WE NEED TO MAKE KICK START THE ECONOMY, SO TAX CUTS.

1.$2 BILLION IN PROPERTY TAX CUTS FOR SIX MILLION FAMILIES.

THAT COMES DOWN TO $200 A FAMILY.

$100 MILLION TO HELP UP TO 200,000 SMALL BUSINESSES.

THAT COMES OUT TO $500 A BUSINESS.

NOW I'M NOT DOWNPLAYING, YOU KNOW, 200 OR $500, MORE THAN HAPPY TO THINK THAT THAT IS REAL MONEY TO PEOPLE BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO JUMP START THE ECONOMY.

SO THERE WAS VERY LITTLE THAT REALLY MADE ME ENCOURAGED BY THIS SPEECH.

>> I HAD A LITTLE MORE OPTIMISTIC VIEW IN THE SENSE THAT I WAS STRUCK BY HER POLITICAL TONE AND STYLE.

GOVERNOR HOCHUL IS IN A VERY GOOD POSITION OBVIOUSLY BEING ABLE TO ASSUME THE GOVERNORSHIP BUT SHE HAS A LOT OF CHALLENGES.

SHE HAS TO MOVE BEYOND THE SCANDAL OF THE CUOMO ADMINISTRATION.

SHE'S GOT TO RESET RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE LEGISLATURE AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE.

SHE'S GOT TO BUILD A CENTRAL GOVERNING COALITION AND SIMULTANEOUSLY BUILD AN ELECTORAL COALITION.

AND I THINK THAT THE TONE SHE HAS STRUCK WAS QUITE EFFECTIVE ACTUALLY.

IT KIND OF REMINDED ME OF RONALD REAGAN WITH SORT OF A SMILE ON HER FACE SAYING SERIOUS THINGS BUT BEING OPTIMISTIC DURING A DIRE TIME.

AND SO I THINK THAT IS QUITE INTERESTING AND WORKED PRETTY WELL.

NOW WE CAN DEBATE THE POLICY PARTICULARS OF THE PROPOSALS BUT CASTING A WIDE NET AND HAVING A LARGE NUMBER IS WISE.

THE STATE DOESN'T HAVE A PROJECT DISASTER THANKS TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SO NOW IS THE TIME TO THROW OUT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PROPOSALS.

>> IS SHE TRYING TO BE ALL THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE SO SHE WILL GET RE-ELECTED?

>> I WOULD SAY CASTING A WIDE NET.

YOU SAID ALL THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE.

IF THAT'S HOW YOU LOOK AT IT, RIGHT?

I THINK IT'S SMART.

SHE'S GOT TO THROW A LOT OF IDEAS OUT THERE AND SEE WHERE THE CONSENSUS EMERGES PARTICULARLY WITHIN HER PARTY BUT ACROSS THE AISLE AS WELL.

>> WHEN I THINK ABOUT NATIONAL LEVEL EDUCATION POLICY, I THINK A LOT OF THE IDEAS THAT YOU SEE IN THE NEWS LIKE DEBT FORGIVENESS FOR STUDENT LOANS AND FREE COMMUNITY COLLEGE OR ARE FRANKLY JUST STUPID.

CONTRAST THAT TO SOME OF THE STUFF THAT HOCHUL'S PLAN HAD THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, GIVING FREE TUITION TO PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING INTO MEDICAL CARE PROFESSIONS.

THAT'S INTERESTING.

AND THERE ARE SOME IMPORTANT DISTINCTIONS THERE.

ONE IS YOU'VE ACTUALLY TARGETED A VERY SPECIFIC SKILL THAT COULD BE UNDERPROVIDED BY THE FREE MARKET ALONE SO YOU WANT TO INTERVENE AND GET MORE OF THAT.

THE SECOND IS THAT IT'S NOT PURELY REDISTRIBUTED.

IT'S ABOUT INCREASING THE OVERALL SUPPLY OF THE SKILL BY INCENTIVIZING YOUNG FOLKS TO GET INTO THAT PROFESSION AS WELL.

SO YEAH, I THOUGHT IT WAS A CURIOUS, INTERESTING GOOD IDEA.

>> I LIKE THE FACT THAT SHE WAS TRYING TO REDUCE THE PROBLEMS OF GETTING PEOPLE FROM INTO HEALTHCARE ACROSS STATES BY MORE THE ABILITY TO HAVE LICENSING FROM OTHER STATES COUNT AS NEW YORK STATE BECAUSE NEW YORK STATE HAS SOME OF THE MOST STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS.

SO REDUCING SOME OF THAT MIGHT APROFFER THE ABILITY TO ATTRACT PROFESSIONALS.

>> I MISSED THAT.

AND THAT'S BRILLIANT BECAUSE ANOTHER THING I NOTICED IN HERE IS WE NEED MORE COMPETITION IN LABOR MARKETS AND SOME OF THESE RULES THAT GET IN THE WAY.

THERE WAS ANOTHER THING IN HERE THAT I LIKED WHICH WAS THE PROPOSAL TO GET RID OF NON-COMPETE CLAUSES THAT SOMETIMES EMPLOYERS HAVE TO SIGN TO WORK FOR FIRMS.

NOW I'M NO PROUNION GUY, DON'T CONTEWES ME FOR THAT BUT I CARE ABOUT WORKERS AND THEIR RIGHTS AND COMPETITION IS ESSENTIAL FOR A WELL FUNCTIONING EFFICIENT ECONOMY IN A CAPITALIST ECONOMY.

SO GETTING RID OF THINGS LIKE OCCUPATIONAL LICENSING IN THE WAY YOU ARE TALKING GETTING RID OF THE NON-COMPETE CLAUSES, AWESOME FOR WORKERS THE AUSTRALIAN OPEN TENNIS TOURNAMENT GETS UNDERWAY NEXT WEEK.

WHAT'S STILL UNCERTAIN IS WHETHER NOVAK JOE-KOVICH WILL PLAY.

THIS MORNING THE ALL-TIME LEADER IN GRAND SLAM WINS HAD HIS VISA REVOKED FOR A SECOND TIME, BECAUSE HE IS NOT VACCINATED AGAINST COVID.

HE WAS FIRST DETAINED WHEN HE ARRIVED IN THE COUNTRY, SPENT DAYS AT A QUARANTINE HOTEL —DEFINITELY NOT 5 STAR —WON A COURT HEARING, BUT NOW FACES DEPORTATION.

THE WORLD'S TOP PLAYER, JOE-KOVICH IS FAMOUSLY ANTI-VAX, AUSTRALIA HAS STRICT COVID RULES, AND THE WHOLE COUNTRY WATCHES THE OPEN.

SHOULD HE BE ALLOWED TO PLAY?

HE DID INITIALLY GET AN EXEMPTION BECAUSE HE HAD COVID.

FIRST OF ALL HE IS TIED WITH THE LEAD IN GRANDSLAM WINS.

HE IS HOPE TO USE THE AUSTRALIAN TO BE THE ALL TIME LEADER BUT NOT QUITE THERE YET STHG THIS IS A MESS.

NO ONE IS COMING OUT LOOKING GOOD.

HE CLEARLY NOT BEING ANTI-VACCS.

HE APPARENTLY HAS CONTRACTED COVID TWICE.

THE LAST TIME IN DECEMBER.

ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SOME REPORTS OUT OF GERMANY CALLING INTO PLAY WHETHER OR NOT HE TRULY DID WHERE HE CONTRACTED IT IN DECEMBER THAT HE IS USING THAT TO GET THE EXEMPTION.

THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN TENNIS AUSTRALIA AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

TENNIS AUSTRALIA GAVE HIM THE EXEMPTION BASED UPON HAVING HAD COVID WHILE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REPEATEDLY TOLD TENNIS AUSTRALIA THAT THAT WAS NOT A LEGITIMATE EXCUSE FOR GAINING EXEMPTION AND WAITING UNTIL HE LANDED IN AUSTRALIA TO TAKE AWAY THE VISA THEY HAD GRANTED HIM.

THEN THE JUDGE, WHO BASICALLY RESTORED HIS VISA, NOT ON GROUNDS OF ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH COVID BUT HAVING TO DO WITH THE NUMBER OF HOURS HE HAD ON PROCEDURAL GROUNDS AND THE NUMBER OF HOURS HE HAD TO SPEAK TO HIS ATTORNEY AND SINCE MONDAY, THE MINISTER OF IMMIGRATION HAS HELD OFF AND JUST THIS MORNING, YOU KNOW, FRIDAY, HAS GONE AND TAKEN AWAY HIS VISA AGAIN IT'S A HUGE MESS.

>> KICK HIM OUT?

LET HIM PLAY?

>> I WOULD SAY YES BUT UNDER HOUSE ARREST.

>> YES LET HIM PLAY.

>> HE DOES NOT HAVE-- HE IS NOT GOING TO BE TREATED AS IF HE HAS AN OPEN VISA, NO.

>> BUT IF HE STILL GETS TO PLAY, HE WINS, RIGHT?

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE TOURNAMENT, BUT HE WINS THE SITUATION.

>> HE THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO WIN IN THE U.S. OPEN.

IT DID NOT HAPPEN.

AT THIS POINT, JUSTICE DELAYED IS JUSTICE DENIED.

>> LUKE.

>> THIS IS WHY IT'S SO HARD TO TEACH GOVERNMENT.

TO ME THIS IS SUCH A DUE PROCESS ISSUE.

IF THIS PERSON WASN'T AN INTERNATIONAL TENNIS STAR, HE WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN IN THIS POSITION.

HE WOULDN'T HAVE GOT N A VISA I THINK, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE WHOLE MESS YOU DESCRIBED.

SO I JUST FEEL FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE SKIN SIMPLE TOWARDS GOVERNMENT IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE AND SOME RICH GUY GETS AWAY WITH SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE AT LARGE GENERALLY CAN'T AND THAT BOTHERS ME.

>> THAT'S FUNNY BECAUSE I THINK LIKE PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES GET SPECIAL TREATMENT ALL THE TIME.

I DON'T REALLY CARE.

IT'S THE AUSTRALIA CONTACTS THAT I THINK MAKES IT A STORY.

IT'S A COUNTRY THAT HAD DRACONIAN POLICIES ON COVID FOR A LONG TIME.

AS LATE AS AUGUST THERE, WERE 30,000 PEOPLE, THEIR OWN CITIZENS, WHO WERE KIND OF ABROAD OVERSEAS UNABLE TO GET IN EVEN THOUGH THEY WANTED TO.

SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE DIED AND SO IN THAT CONTEXT, THAT'S WHEN IT BECOMES OFFENSIVE TO ME THAT THIS IS HAPPENING.

>> AND SO PIN IT DOWN HERE, HE SHOULD PLAY?

HE SHOULD ABLOUD TO PLAY?

NOT ALLOWED TO PLAY BECAUSE OF THAT CONTEXT YOU JUST DESCRIBED?

>> YOU KNOW WHAT?

I DON'T CARE.

YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK IS MORE INTERESTING ABOUT THIS IS THAT YOU SAID IN THE OPEN IS THE NOT FIVE STAR BIT WHERE HE IS STAYING.

HE IS STAYING AT A DETENTION CENTER.

IT'S A HOTEL THAT CURRENTLY HAS 38 ASYLUM SEEKERS IN IT.

HIS MOTHER CAME OUT COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW DIRTY IT WAS.

IT WAS INFESTED WITH BUGS.

THE FOOD WAS GROSS AND ASYLUM SEEKERS SAID INSTEAD OF QUIT LINING, THEY SAID SHE IS RIGHT.

HELP US OUT.

USE YOUR VOICE TO HELP US OUT.

THAT IS MORE INTERESTING THAN WHETHER HE PLAYS TENNIS.

>> THERE IS A SIMPLE THING IN DEMOCRACY I SUPPOSE EQUAL APPLICATION OF LAW.

BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY HE SHOULD BE ABOVE THE LAW AND I DO CARE ABOUT THAT.

I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT WHAT HE DOES FRANKLY, BUT I DO CARE ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE LAW SHOULD BE APPLIED EQUALLY TO ALL PEOPLE, WHATEVER THAT BE THE CASE.

YOU DON'T LIKE THE LAW, GO AHEAD AND CHANGE IT.

THAT'S WHAT DEMOCRACY DOES.

WE MIGHT BE FAILING TO DO THAT IN THE UNITED STATES IF WE DON'T PASS THE VOTING RIGHTS BILL.

BUT YEAH, I THINK HE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO PLAY.

WHO CARES.

I DON'T CARE IN A DIFFERENT WAY, RIGHT?

>> WELL, WE CARE BECAUSE WE ARE DISCUSSING IT ON THIS PROGRAM, RIGHT?

SO I MEAN, AND ONE ASPECT CERTAINLY SOUNDS LIKE HE IS TRYING TO GAME THE SYSTEM.

BUT I WONDER, HOW DOES THAT APPLY HERE?

WE'VE GOT ATHLETES, KYLIE IRVING ON THE BROOKLYN NETS WASN'T GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO PLAY AND NOW HE IS GETTING A CHANCE TO PLAY.

RICK?

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERYONE SAID THAT THERE ARE SPECIAL PRIVILEGES.

IT'S NOT THE LAW USUALLY ISN'T QUITE SO SIMPLE.

THERE ARE ALWAYS EXEMPTIONS AND SPECIAL CASES.

AGAIN, I THINK THERE ARE PLENTY OF REASONS TO KEEP HIM OUT OF THE AUSTRALIAN OPEN, BUT THE AUSTRALIANS HANDLED THIS IN SUCH A WAY THAT I THINK DUE PROCESS DID COME UP AND THAT'S WHY I SAID SOMETIMES JUSTICE DELAYED IS JUSTICE DENIED.

AND THEY WAITED UNTIL THE WEEKEND BEFORE THE TOURNAMENT STARTS TO TELL HIM THAT HE HAS TO LEAVE, KNOWING THAT LIMITS HIS ABILITY TO APPEAL.

AND SO I THINK HE IS GOING TO FIND A SYMPATHETIC JUDGE THAT'S GOING TO RESTORE HIS VISA.

BUT I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH HIM BEING ASKED TO LEAVE, BUT I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH HIM CARVING OUTS SOME KIND OF SPECIAL EXEMPTION.

AND AS I SAID, EVERYONE LOOKS BAD IN THIS RIGHT NOW.

>> LAST WORD ON THIS.

>> IT COMES OUT TO MONEY, RIGHT?

YOU TALK ABOUT U.S. SPORTS.

WHY PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY'RE ABLE TO DO IS BECAUSE IT'S A VERY LUCRATIVE BUSINESS AND THEY HELP MAKE THEIR TEAMS AND OWNERS A LOT OF MONEY.

>> TO THE As AND EVERY EFD AND WE'LL BEGIN WITH YOUR F. >> MAYOR ERIC ADAMS FOR DIRECTING THE NYPD WHO HIRED HIS BROTHER FOR A LUCRATIVE JOB.

HE FAILED TO SEEK APPROVAL FROM THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST BOARD FIRST.

>> AND CHAD, YOUR F. >> "60 MINUTES" LAST WEEKEND HAD A SEGMENT ON THE LABOR MARKET AND REPORTED THAT AMERICANS ARE TWO AND A HALF TIMES MORE LIKELY TO APPLY FOR REMOTE JOB THAN NON-REMOTE JOB.

GIVEN THE PROGRAM AN F FOR FAILING TO DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL NEGATIVE LONG-TERM ELEMENTS.

IF IT CAN BE DONE REMOTELY, WHY NOT OUTSOURCE COMPLETELY.

>> MY F GOES TO MICHIGAN STATE JUDGE ALEXIS G. CROP WHO SHOWED NO SYMPATHY FOR A 72-YEAR-OLD CANCER PATIENT UNABLE TO KEEP UP HIS LAWN CARE OVER THE SUMMER.

LEE CLEANED UP THE LAWN, AND THE PERSON WAS STRUGGLING TO BREATHE IN THE ZOOM CALL, SAYING HE IS VERY WEAK, JUDGE SHAMED THE CANCER PATIENT AND TOLD HIM YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF AND IF I COULD GIVE YOU JAIL TIME ON THIS, I WOULD.

>> AND RICK.

>> MY F GOES TO REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE.

THEY SAID THEY'RE GOING TO REQUIRE POTENTIAL CANDIDATES TO PLEDGE THAT THEY WILL NOT TAKE PART IN ANY DEBATES SPONSORED BY THE NON-PARTISAN COMMISSION ON PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES.

WE NEED MORE DISCUSSION, NOT LESS.

>> THAT'S A REALLY INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT AND THAT-- THEY'RE SETTING UP DONALD TRUMP TO RUN AGAIN AND NOT HAVE TO DEBATE.

LUKE, As.

>> TO THE NEWLY RENAMED DAILY SENTINEL WHO OPENED AN OFFICE IN UTICA AND WILL COVER ALL OF THE MOAF.

THIS IS NEEDED AS THE OBSERVER-DISPATCHED UNFORTUNATELY DOWNSIZES.

>> CHAD.

>> MY A GOES TO WOMEN IN BASEBALL.

YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED LOCALLY THAT YANKEES RACHEL BALKOVICH HAS BECOME THE FIRST ME MAIL MINOR LEAGUE MANAGER BUT YOU MIGHT HAVE MISSED THAT A 17-YEAR-OLD GENEVIEVE HAS BECOME THE FIRST PROFESSIONAL PITCHER RECORDING NO HITS AND NO RUNS IN ONE INNING APPEARANCE.

6'2 LEFTY WITH HOPES TO PLAY COLLEGE BALL IN THE GLUFS WE CLEARLY HAVE THE AUSTRALIAN SPORTS TEAM COVERED HERE TODAY.

>> MY A GOES TO ADORABLE GOLD FISH.

IN IN AN EXPERIMENT IN ISRAEL, WHERE RESEARCHERS WERE SUCCESSFULLY ABLE TO TRAIN SEVERAL GOLD FISH TO OPERATE ROBOTIC VEHICLE IN AN EFFORT TO EXPLORE WHETHER THE SPECIES IS ABLE TO NAVIGATE ON LAND.

IT TURNS OUT THEY CAN.

>> AND RICK, YOUR A.

>> MY A GO CLAY THOMPSON OF THE GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS, NOT FOR HITTING THE LAST SECOND BUZZER WINNER OR MAKING A TREMENDOUS DUNK, BUT FOR SIMPLY GETTING ON THE COURT.

THIS LAST SUNDAY WAS THE FIRST TIME HE WAS ON THE COURT IN 941 DAYS OR MORE THAN 31 MONTHS AGO.

FIRST HE TORE A LEFT ACL AND THEN ACHILLES.

THE MENTAL AND PHYSICAL TOLL THIS TOOK ON HIM MUST HAVE BEEN EXTRAORDINARY.

IT WAS GREAT TO SEE HIM BACK AND PLAYING AFTER SO MUCH TIME.

STAY HEALTHY CLAY.

>> ALL RIGHT.

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