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I thought you said you were going to be back home today.

I did.

Good luck.

That didn't work.

We're talking film.

Toledo.

I was I was thinking about starting with, like.

And action.

That's.

I thought.

That would have been so funny.

Yeah, but this also didn't say that you were going to do it.

That's it.

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Yeah.

I'm the guy that like to explain the jokes sometimes, even before I tell.

The that usually means are really.

Good.

Yeah.

Right now I'm th guy who wants to kill himself.

You must be the other guy.

We're talking with Michael DeSanto and Charles Wetzel from Film Toledo.

And then, of course, friend of the show and all.

And to all Dougie Fresh as well.

Yeah.

I don't want to bury this, but no Elsa.

So I figur we should just cancel the show.

Also had a pretty high booking fee.

Yeah.

That's right That was part of the writer was.

We have PBS's budget here.

We know he's saying we're paying people to be on the show.

Yeah, we're getting paid.

I don't know.

Well, all right, well.

There you go.

What's happening with you?

Yeah.

Weird.

Weird.

Do you have.

Obviously, we're talking about films.

I'm curious to ask them.

Kind of favorite film, but.

But if a film was made about your life.

Who would play you?

Matt.

The last.

I know, I know who would play Matt.

Oh, I like that Maybe that'll get better.

Yeah.

You tell who would play us in.

Movies, but because I'm old, I don't remember his name.

He was on New Girl.

You know, I tell you you look like him all the time.

Yeah.

Fun.

Or Andy samberg.

Yeah, I do get that quite a bit.

Yeah.

Yep.

Jake Johnson, that's his name.

Jake.

I'm hearing you just now.

And I would accept.

Yeah, that's exactly what I mean.

Yeah.

J Vance would play you, obviously.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm not okay with this.

Yeah.

I mean.

He's.

You are okay with it.

I don't know.

Yeah.

I can't take any more cuts to the budget.

Ed O'Neil.

All right.

Perfect.

Yeah, yeah.

All right, I'll take it.

I have gotten the the J.D.

Vance thing, and I don't like it.

No, I wouldn't either, but that's okay.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

So that's a good thing.

Teetering on, sensitive subject for the show guys.

So it's, you know, All right.

Okay.

Who would play me?

Oh, Julia Roberts.

For a great.

Not the Julia Roberts, the famous one, the one that works at Fedex.

In Ross.

Oh, she's very good.

What a beauty.

Yeah.

She has those two glass eyes.

You can't tell.

Who would play Who do you think would play you?

Not really, J.D.

Vance.

That was a joke.

I don't know.

When I was a kid, I would get confused with peopl telling me that I looked like, Fred Savage.

Okay, how about that?

I can see that.

I am shocked to hear that.

Yeah.

Yeah, right.

I don't mean in any way.

I don't know tha we've developed in the same way.

Yeah, but sure.

Yeah, I would choose for myself Julia Louis-Dreyfus.

Yeah.

Because she's the best of all things.

She is the best of both.

Dance about as well as each other.

That's right.

Yeah, that's right.

That's a good thing.

Yeah.

All right.

Exciting conversation towards you.

I, I know a little bit about Film Toledo.

But I feel like this other one was like iceberg conversations where there's so much more about this organization that I don't know.

And I lived in Ann Arbor, when the state had just passed something, and saw the significant return, economically from filming there.

So I'm interested in talkin a bit about that with the group.

Do you think, they'll break some news?

I would like to add, is ther another movie coming to Toledo?

That's our.

Hope.

I don't know.

All right.

I hope they just make it up.

Okay for it.

I like that, too.

Sure.

You know what?

Just promise.

Things.

Yeah.

Ocean's 27.

Citizen Kane two.

Is coming to you.

Yeah.

What about the next Teen Wolf movie?

Yeah.

Can we do that?

We'll switch.

Save that for the show.

Okay.

All right, we'll do that.

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Welcome back into the 419.

We're talking with some friends from Film Toledo, Michael DeSanto and Charles Wetzel.

Michael, Charles thanks so much for joining us.

After our friends at the Community Foundation and Destination Toledo, or, you know, helping support us have conversation with organizations, individuals making a difference in our community.

There's no question that applies to you guys and the work that Film Toledo is doing.

I want to dive into some of your background, but let's jus kind of lay the foundation here.

What is Film Toledo?

That's my favorite, question to answer.

I, I kind of explain i this way, you know, from Toledo, where the regional film Commission for Northwest Ohio, we cover not only Toledo, but a 17 county, you know, area, this whole region.

And, you know, we're attracting film productions to northwest Ohio.

We are trying to bring more, more film jobs, more, film activity to the region.

And also to train and educate people to work in the film industry.

How did how did that all come about?

Like, was this something that that, you know, you said, hey, Toledo needs this, and I'm going to do it or did you know somebody else?

Is there, a movement in the city to say, hey, we we need this.

Let's go build it.

Like, how did this all come about?

It kind of started on its own.

It was kind of organic because a group of us local filmmakers, we really needed some kind of outlet, some kind of, opportunity to bring more activity, more you know, more films in general.

You know I started out as an independent filmmaker myself, and I really wanted to I wanted to see more activity in the area.

And then, you know, you get people like Lake Charles involved or, you know, he he's an actor and giving him into, into this kind of thing, bringing more acting job into the, to the region as well.

It's been it's been a lot of work.

Yeah, sure.

How did the two of you start, with this initiative?

But with your passions.

Michael, you are, prefer to be somewhat behind the camera.

Charles, you like to be in front?

It seems like.

Talk to m a little bit about your youth.

This is a product of parents.

Insisted you be in the arts or to rebel against, your parents talk to m about the two of you as kiddos.

For.

So acting was something that I kind of, like, fell into, like, growin up, I didn't really think about.

Oh, I'm going to be an actor.

Like that was never really the plan.

I loved performing, I would always perform.

I would do like radio shows with my brother when we were little, like all that stuff.

Yeah, we recorded on cassette tapes.

Sure.

So yeah, those are.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

That's all right now, right?

But yeah.

Who was the better radio personnel, you or your brother?

Probably me, but only because I was older.

Sure.

That's right.

You don't have to quantify.

He was.

He was.

He couldn't talk yet.

He was pretty funny, though.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know.

Yeah.

But.

Yeah, basically I went I went to Springfield and I took TV broadcasting there, and I did two broadcasting one and two.

We actually used a lot of the old equipment from my channel 13 and like other, thing that were donated to us.

Sure.

And so the class was all about production.

And so for, for a few years, I was like the, the anchor for the school.

And that kind of, like, brought about my passion for, like, wanting to be in front of the camera and then I actually met him at my first job at Kroger, and he hated me.

He didn't want anything to do with me, cause I just pestered him and bugged them all the.

Yeah, yeah, he.

Doesn't do that anymore.

Yeah.

Now, thanks for bringing that attitude to our show.

Yeah.

This goes to kind of show, like, how dynamic things can be in, like, friendships and people you meet is like, you know, I told him about how I was doing films and making these videos for school, and I knew that he was making YouTube videos at the time.

And so I kept trying to get involved, and eventually he came, you.

Know, like, here's some cassettes.

Yeah.

I said, here, these are from some.

Yeah, that's right.

Michael you were already making videos.

How did you start down this path?

So I started much earlier than he did.

We actually, Because you're smarter.

Your words.

I'm just much, much older.

You know, so I actually, I started I you know when I was going to high school, there wasn't really like a film program where I went, I went to Ruston High School and it was like, you know, we were trying to do things that other places I've already done.

And we were kind of a little bit behind the times with technology.

I mean, I was I was filming my little videos with VHS camcorders and, you know, little tapes.

Yeah.

And, you know, the technology wasn't really available.

And one thing that, you know the great thing about, you know, our collaboration is we starte working with other people who, you know, had that background and had more access, and we were able to do bigger and better projects.

Yeah.

And I just realized it's been 17 years.

Yeah.

Since, you know we first encountered each other at Kroger.

Yeah.

So it is the entire organization just based on this happenstance meeting at Kroger.

And then it just evolved ou after that, you started meeting other people.

I mean, I gues you call it a snowball effect.

I mean, we, you know, we just started we.

Know about language here.

You know, we don't want to Talk about the snow right now.

Right?

Right.

Yeah.

That's right, that's right.

So the first, I'm intereste if I could just circle back to your first project or even on your little VHS, was there, what was the first thing you captured?

Actually, the the first film that I attempted to complete was in high school.

It was called when an elevator is illegally overloaded with passengers.

Who is criminally responsible?

That's the title.

Of the short film.

Yeah.

And it was about seven people who were trapped in the elevato at Rockford High School.

Sure.

And it never got done because, you know.

Well, I didn't know what I was doing.

Back time.

The elevator got stuck.

Yes, I could get the camera back out.

Exact si kids are still in the elevator.

Yeah.

That's a good premise, though.

I like it.

When I. Finish it one day.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, so what led you to say, hey this is the idea I want to do.

Like, do you remember kind of that I wrote that process?

I remember that day of the phone.

You talked about the commission.

I mean, really, it wa just it's about meeting people and connecting up and just, you know, everybody has an idea, but, you know, it's really har to make that idea come to life.

And that's something where, you know, we meet, we worked with a lot of student filmmakers, a lot of amateur filmmakers who, you know, they all started out the way that we did, and they just don't know who to talk to.

And they have this great idea.

And I'm like, well, you know, we can help you get started.

And at the time when you guys were starting to work on film Toledo, there were other cities in our state, Columbus and Cleveland specifically that had these film commissions.

And so I think that the idea was, correct me if I'm wrong, that Toledo was, in theory, missing out on these other organized, commissions in other cities that were drawing attention to their region to be able to support this industry.

Is that part of the motivation to to start one here?

And that was it was also you know, just the fact that we were, yeah, we were actually missing out on a lot of opportunities because there were, you know, there's film productions that are interested in Toledo.

They love our locations.

You know, the they want to do something here.

And we didn't have the infrastructure for that.

And that's something that, you know, we've been really trying to build for the last eight years.

This might sound boring to others, but I think it's so important when you talk about the infrastructur required to make us available.

Also these opportunities again, I mentioned that I lived through this in Ann Arbor.

But I'll hold that for a minute.

But talk about the infrastructure that needs to be created to make us an ideal place to film.

So a big part of what we do is, you know, we're educating and training people to work in the film industry, getting them ready to work on larger union sets.

We have, you know, we have a lot of talent around here, but we don't have, you know, set train talent that can work on those sets.

You know we don't have the infrastructure as far as studio spaces.

That's something that we've been working on, trying to get, you know, jus more, more training to the area.

Because once we do that, then when productions come in, they know that Toledo's a viable option.

Yeah, it's sort of locked and loaded and ready to come.

Right, right.

And where do these opportunities come from?

This was really just plain ignorance.

But in the world of film.

Right.

Which more often than not now feels like it's not even happening in th traditional place of Hollywood.

Right?

It's becoming very decentralized.

Yes.

So that might, again, wher where do all these opportunities come from?

Where do you find them?

How do they find you?

It's actually one of two ways.

It's either, production is looking at another location in Ohio, and then they reach out to us, like in the example of any, any of the film that shout out to Hollywood Casino.

They, you know, they did the majority of the shooting in Cleveland and a little bit in Sandusky, and they were looking for a casino location.

There wasn't anythin that kind of suited their needs.

And that's when, you know we were helping scout locations, including the Hollywood Casino.

And that's something where, you know we had exactly what they needed.

And it wasn't that much of a, you know, an issue bringin that crew into Toledo for that.

Are you working on?

So you so you get this they're looking for a location and Hollywood Casin is what they're interested in.

Are you working on relationships with community organizations before you ever even hav to ask them about the location?

Because it seems to me it would be a harder asked to call somebody up and be like, this is what Film Toledo is.

This is what we're doing, and explain yourselves and then also make the location ask.

That's that's what we have to do the majority of the time, just because, you know, Toledo wasn't really known as a is a film town or a film hub.

So it's really explaining who we are, what we do, you know what we need.

But the great thing is people in Toledo are so excited by the possibility of a film shooting here that, you know, they want to be involved, they want to help out as much as they can.

You know, other other regions.

They you know, they're so used to in they.

It's like every day.

Yeah.

It's exciting.

Yeah.

I'm curious, I want to go back to like and you talked about building the ecosystem within Toledo, to do this, but like, I mean, you sai people want to shoot in Toledo.

Why?

I mean, I don't mean tha in a disparaging way, but, like, explain to me what about Toledo is attractive to filmmakers?

Feel free to mention the park system actually.

Actually are one of the biggest draws.

Thanks for coming on the show, guys.

Yeah, exactly.

What would you like to pick something up from our gifts?

Yeah, no.

It's actually true.

We, at one point we had a producer from Dayton who came in, and we we gave her a tour of, Glass City Metro Park whil it was still under construction.

And she said, this is more amazing than anything we have in Dayton.

And I loved hearing that.

Yeah, but no, it's either I. Wish it was the place in Dayton, right?

No, we love Dayton.

Yeah, it's at least so.

It's either, you know, something that we have that no one else has or, you know, we have so many historic locations and buildings, the old West End, the Amtrak station that was used for On the waterfront.

Yeah.

There are so many options for location that haven't been used before.

So that's what's really exciting.

I can I said, just a totally nerd question here.

Usually do cite her.

Mike is nine, so don't feel like you.

Oh, she's on the show.

I do, on site selection.

Can you talk us again?

Maybe this is just for me.

Talk to us from beginning and middle to end.

You get a call or you're even filming.

How do you.

How does this work?

We need a house for it.

Looks like a family house.

Or we need a train station.

It looks like this.

How does this work?

I mean, it's it's kind of the same process, no matter what the scale of the production is.

You know, they'll they'll reach out.

They're looking for the specific location, you know, and they, they know what they need.

They might send over photos for referenc or they have something in mind.

They've already kind of looked up what we have here.

And they'll reach out and then that's when we reac out to the property owners or, you know, local government officials and, you know, explain, hey, you know, they want to shoot down the street right here, and we want to block this on or you know, sometimes they just go directly to that business.

And in that case, we find out, you know, later.

Because, you know, one of the things that we do is we track the amount of money spent in the region.

So that whole process, I mean no matter what, it's the same.

It's, you know, they reach out, we help facilitate we connect people up and then.

It's through a list.

Is there a listing somewhere, like if you like as an actor that you're going to look and see call for actors and this is what they're looking for.

Is there a location list that we, that, Toledo would reach out to people and say, hey, we we have this here.

You could come here.

Do you ever contact peopl to tell them about what we have, or is it always or more often, people reaching out to you?

I mean, at this point, it's, because, you know, we w we're really small organization.

We have limited resources.

You know, we've been building our location database from scratch, pretty much.

And, and that's something where because we are from Toledo, we know it so well.

Yeah.

You know, we're able to help out a lot more with that.

We have an internal database that we'll share with productions.

There's some location that they advertise themselves.

And as far as, acting, casting calls, I know you can talk a little bit about that.

Yeah.

For acting in casting calls like we have, you know, next gen, is there a local agency that we have around here?

And once you get registered with them, they'll send you emails and casting calls.

There's also a lot of web page and groups and, like, backstage actors access, like, there's, there's a lot of different places where you can find these local casting for the films.

And like you, the same with the database for the location.

There's also a database of local talent.

And we're, we've been working on a, database for local crew as well.

Oh, interesting.

Do you do any local theater or live theater in the in the area as well?

I have done a little bit of theater.

I really wanted to get involved with the theater, but I just don't have the time to make those rehearsals and the I respect the theater too muc to make that kind of commitment and then be like, oh, sorry, you guys, I can't make it.

I'll be there for showtime.

But I'll tell you what, when my son is older, I will definitely be doing.

How's your son?

He's 11.

Yeah.

All right.

The three of us are o the talent database right there.

You know.

You can write something.

Like.

You can write.

A sucker on that about.

So it's the no trophy.

I'm curious about.

Like, why write the like why?

Why would Toled want to be the site for movies?

What's the benefit to the region for us having, you know, a man called Otto or Eeny Meeny or, you know, Teen Wolf seven come and film.

In their dreams?

Well, you know, the one thin that I like to explain to people is, you know, we're we're not really like an arts organization.

We're an economic development organization.

So the benefits are economic.

It's about bringing more jobs and more, you know, more film industry infrastructure into Toledo because that, you know, that brings in revenue.

I mean, we we've helped to bring in at this point over $14 million of economic, developmen to Toledo since the end of 2023.

That's amazing.

That's great.

And that's just from you know, these films come in, they're spending money here.

It's, you know, hotels catering, security tents, porta potties, every, you know, every little aspect of, you know, a film production.

They're spending that money right here.

I love it.

All right, I want to I want to talk about, missed opportunities.

Right.

So, you know, let's, you know, go back t before this organization existed or if this organization didn't exist, what that would look like in our community.

And I know we talked about the economic development piece, but, you know, how much do you think we really missed by not having this sooner?

And then I want to dive into kind of your visio and goals for the organization, and the community and mayb what, you know, the dream film, to come to Toledo, might be, we're talkin with Michael DeSanto and Charles Wetzel from Film Toledo.

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Before the break, I had sort of teed up the question, you know what, as you think about, you know, what, this organization has done $1 million in economic development, brought into our community since 2023.

I mean, how much do you think we've really missed out on by this organization?

Not nonexistent until recently.

I mean, it's it's the opportunities come when we are trying to attract productions here.

You know, we've been lucky because ther have been productions that have, you know, already been interested in Toledo and we've helped them along the way.

So, I mean, there were attempts to create a commission about 20 years ago and about 15 years ago, and nothing really happened with that.

And that's something where, you know, once we got this started, it was I mean, I don't want to say snowball effect again, but but that's something where called discipline.

Like.

Right.

But but there's something where, you know we also had a really rough time with, you know, you had Covid, which really shut down the film industry for a few years.

Then you had the acting and writing strikes that happened simultaneously.

And ever since that, you know, productions have really been interested.

They really want to, you know, start working again.

And, you know, having us here, you know, enables us to say, hey, you know, we're here we're doing things we you know, we have talent, we have, state tax credit that's, you know, really competitive.

And it's growing.

You know, we really can d what we should have been doing for a long time.

I wasn't in Arbor for six years, and they had passed an estate tax credit.

And you're mentioning something similar, not sophisticated obviously in this field.

But there were a minimum two major films.

It took place either in Ann Arbor and the adjacent communities that Ann Arbor, Saline, every town benefited from.

So not just because I like you both.

And I'm interested in cultivating anything in our beloved town.

But I already sa this sort of magic in the works.

I worked in the restaurant industry.

So my staff, was quite literally paid summers and summers at the time.

The significant influx of money that they wouldn't have seen before.

And I'm not again I don't know enough even to say all the ancillary pieces of it.

You're talking about catering to dry cleaning, right?

To porta potties.

Right.

That might seem like a toss off, but there's somebody who owns that business, and they are your neighbor, right?

There's somebody who drive the trucks to do those things.

So, I this is.

I should have asked you during the break.

And it's risky to put you on the spot.

This has been attempted 20 years ago.

15 years ago.

And you're driving this line.

What are some of the barriers that makes this?

Which appears to be a no brainer to me?

And I know this is a very easy thing to say.

What are some of the barriers to make this thing just up and going like this and have an overwhelming amount of support?

There's a few things.

I mean, the major thing is funding because it's trying to explain, you know, who we are, what we do, the expenses that, you know, we incur.

You know, it' a mostly volunteer organization.

It's something where we're trying to, you know, attract production.

So we have to travel a lot.

We're traveling all over the state.

And that's something where, you know, we you know, we're a nonprofit, but there are a lot of really worthy nonprofits out there.

So it's like, how do we explain, you know, what this benefit is, how much more money we bring in versus, you know, a different organization?

We're really punching above our weight.

And that's something where, you know, that's that's a big hurdle.

And also explaining to, you know, city officials where, you know, they may not understand the film industr and getting them to understand, you know, for every dollar spent, you know, on the commission you're getting a return of $7.

Yeah.

So that's something that, you know, once we get that point across, and that's something we've been trying to do for years that people really get it.

Sure.

What's the craziest, location request you've received?

Someone want to blow up a building?

They want to scale the Owens Corning building.

Like what?

And then let me know.

Driving a car through the casino was probabl one of the most wild requests.

So did that actually happen in the movie?

Oh, yes.

Then they did it.

They did it in real life, too.

So I was, on the set.

I was playing a blackjack dealer in that scene where they're driving the car through the casino, and they were they were literally driving through blackjack tables that were there, like props that were built to explode.

Yeah.

Do you know what a prop is, chair.

Also be a jet.

A whole.

Lot like the.

So the tables like they would, they would drive through, they'd hit it and then they drive the car back up, reset, do it again.

And they, they even drove the car through that hallwa in the back of the casino too, which I thought was was pretty crazy.

So tell us a little bit more about this movie.

Is it out?

Did I did I somehow miss the point where can people see it?

Is it a story about Toledo, or is it so filmed here in a different sort of a different location?

It is base in, like the Northwest Ohio area or the northern Ohio area, I should say, because they shot in Cleveland, Sandusky and Toledo.

Okay.

And you can clearly see all three of those locations in the movie.

Not did your words.

No, no, no.

They they shot those three that I specifically I don't know.

But they, basically they, they shot in those three cities and they used a lot of locations.

They used a house in the Old West.

And, and when they were, when they were doing all of that, sorry, I forgot the question.

No, just what's the story?

What's the story of the movie?

And.

Oh, where can people see it?

The story is about, a girl who's her name?

Amy.

She's a getaway driver.

And essentially, it's like a heist kind of comedy.

Action thriller film.

Love it.

And then it's available on Hulu.

Okay, so we talked about films, but like TV as well, right?

So we've got the pape that is about Toledo ish, right?

Yes.

What what have you guys, did you guys play a role in that?

Do you you know, obviously the infrastructure and being able to do some of these films is help that.

But talk to me about.

And can we have Michael Meyers email please.

No I would like to to.

Actually it's funny because I was this was two years ago.

I was in Cleveland.

I had a meeting wit the Cleveland Film Commission.

They've been a really great partner.

They, you know, they've actually send us a lot of work.

They helped a lot with getting getting us connected with many, many.

And I was having that meeting and I get a call from NBC universal and, you know, it was a bunch of very different departments that were looking for, for a prop set decoration.

They wanted to know abou about Toledo, about its culture, because they were looking at Toledo as an option for for the paper.

This has to be.

Kind of affirming.

Michael, I know that you're a humble person, but getting a call from universal on NBC and, you know, like, oh, hold on one second that.

I'm getting used to it.

I mean, yeah, that's strange, but.

Yeah, bu I mean that that is affirming.

And I know that isn't what motivates you necessarily, but you are a humble person and both of you are now driving this and you have contacts that, do you have to kind of lik be like, oh, that's pretty cool.

Yeah.

No, it definitely is.

I actually, it's funny because last night we were, more arranging, stuff for the Miami Film Festival for this year, and we were exchanging emails with Eric.

Yeah.

And it's just it's strange to think about that, that, you know, you know, you have this big producer who had a background, who started out in Toledo and, you know, went up to Hollywood and became big, but, you know, back to back to the paper.

You know, we reached out to fro different departments getting, you know, getting all that information.

They wanted to make it authentically Toledo.

It was, you know, this process that took about a month.

And then we just kept quiet about it for a long time.

A lot of the wor that we do is behind the scenes, you know, we can't really talk about, you know, what's coming or what's happening.

And so once that happened, that was a huge promotional boost for Toledo.

And you did a good job because when you watch the show, you can see those things that are placed, you know, you can see, you know, the mugs from the zoo and stuff from the art museum and things on the desk.

Super duper.

Yeah.

Very cool.

What is the what's the hardest part of doing this work?

This interview?

It's, you know, it's really it's, you know, all of us, we all have, you know, another job or two jobs on top of what we do.

It's something where, you know, we don't have a great deal of funding.

It's something where, you know, we're trying to balance, you know, the film wor with everything else that we do.

And it's because, you know, as a filmmaker or somebody in that industry, you're bouncing around from job to job.

You know, Charles is a working actor.

He goes around, travels all over to, to get work.

And it's, you know, balancing that with, you know, what we're trying to do here.

I think quite a little bit as a working actor.

I know that's a, that's a phrase I think, that people are relatively familiar with.

But talk to me about the, the, the painful, exhausting, passionate nature of the working actors.

There's a whole monologue about it, but it's probably way too long to do right now.

But that six minutes and 30s not enough.

But the, it's like being a working actor is is kind of challenging.

Especially like when you have a family and you have another job and you're trying to do the film commission.

It's it's very exhausting.

I will definitely say that.

But I just really love acting like I don't care about being rich.

I don't care about being famous.

Like, I just really love the art of acting.

Something about it just draws me to it.

Yeah.

And so that's how I've maintained my passion for it.

But in terms of being a working actor, you know, it's it' like auditioning is networking.

Is it?

A lot of it is just networking.

Like a lot of the role that have gotten, you know, like I auditioned for it, but then they also want to talk to you and it's like.

And that's where it falls apart.

It's where it falls apart.

Yeah.

I'm pretty.

I'm not I'm not the best speaker.

I just have to do it all the time.

But speaking of networking, you do have him.

Toledo does host these quarterly mixers.

I see them on social media.

They're very well attended.

But these can be who can come to those?

We get people from all over coming to these mics.

They're fun.

It's open to everybody.

It's you know, we've had peopl from, you know, all over Ohio.

We've had people come in from Michigan, because of what happened with Michigan.

You know, they lost their tax credit.

So, you know, factors and, you know, crew from Michigan, they're looking for work.

They'll come down to Toledo if there's that opportunity.

And you know, we connect up.

You know, there's students.

There's you know, people from all walks of life that are interested in film.

And we want to cultivate that that whole scene.

All right, let's do it.

It's now time.

For Gretchen's wacky quiz.

One.

All right.

How many of you for rapid fire questions?

We're going to throw them at both of you guys.

Gretchen's going to ask you for your number one favorite thing in Toledo.

And then Matt is going to task you with describing Toledo in nine words.

I was going to get at 939.

We're going to do it.

We both have nine.

Oh, so we're prepared.

Our producers that's.

We didn't collaborate.

So they may be the same and they may be different.

Okay, good.

Question.

I know this.

One.

And I will caveat with remember we are on.

What word is your favorite swear word.

Yeah.

We're we're yeah.

And B what word do you love using.

Do I love you the same.

Charles does any word different.

Any word.

This is off.

To a good start.

I use lots of words.

In pro, I'm you.

Next one will hold on.

What's your favorite animal?

Oh, I love dogs.

Absolutely.

Dogs and dogs.

Also your favorite word.

And I'm also a dog person.

He has a blue heeler who's famous on Instagram, so.

Okay.

What, what what's something that always makes you laugh?

Something that always makes me laugh.

My friends.

Yeah My my son always makes me laugh.

What's your son's.

Name?

Jack.

He's hilarious.

What's something you've done that you're most proud of?

Film Toledo?

Honestly?

Yeah.

Film Toledo.

And also, like, I know I just said it, but being a dad is something I'm very proud of.

Yeah.

Awesome What's that for?

That was for.

All right.

What is your number one?

Favorite or what you consider to be the best thing about Toledo or the region.

Of the people, for sure.

Yeah, we we've been connecte with so many people around here who are who love what we do.

They're interested.

They're active.

It's just really exciting to see what's been happening around here.

I, I think the people.

That's the best part of it.

I just heard you say, parks, I and the Metro parks.

Well, he said he said people also parks.

But I'll also say of the community in general, like we've gotten a lot of support from local news, from the park systems, from from a lot of different areas in Toledo.

And I feel like in maybe like a huge like, see like Chicago or something like, we may not be getting this the same kind of attention from local media, but like, I like that our local media is involved in the community.

And so, I mean, it's partially this is true, but I also appreciate what you guys do.

Well, like, this is great.

That you don't put me up.

I mean, I need the nine words out of both of you.

I was trying to get out of.

I feel okay, okay.

You're ready.

So nine words for Toledo.

I said industrial.

Giant.

Resilient?

Yes.

Growth?

Yep.

History I love it.

Opportunity.

This involves our locations, but versatile.

Versatile.

I love it.

Untapped.

Untapped.

Like our potential.

If we get it.

Underrated.

Love it.

And home.

Oh, I love.

It, Charles.

Tough act to follow.

It's okay.

Would you write down this morning?

It's okay.

I wrote this down on your phone.

My.

I wrote, so.

But I guess some of mine ar the same, but, I put authentic, proud, dynamic, diverse.

This is a hyphenated word, but thick skinned.

Love it.

That was what the.

Cleveland.

That's what the crew from Munich called us here in Toledo.

So, that passionate industrial.

All right, artistic.

Love it.

I put those next to each other on purpose, and growing.

A little bit.

And Jack Wetzel, also.

I appreciate you, but I came prepared.

It's obvious that you are very organized and you produce things.

So you you had your list ready.

We have we have on the spot, though a film about both of your lives.

Who would you want to play it and what is better, Godfather three or Teen Wolf two?

Those are two different question.

Okay, I'm going to start on this.

Because I've had a lot of people say I look like Rainn Wilson from The Office.

You do.

And you could play that.

You could be that.

And I never know how to take that.

As a compliment.

He's awesome.

They love him.

Yeah, people love him.

It could be worse.

Yeah.

It look like.

This.

All right.

Yeah.

That's right.

And Kevin does, so Godfather three or team of two, which was the best?

Better.

But, you know, I've actually never seen either one.

Yep.

All right.

That' an honest answer, Charles.

Yeah.

Who would play you in your movie?

Any way you can.

Any typical looking, person that looks like me.

There's a lot of them, like, there' Chris Pratt is one I get a lot.

Yeah.

And then.

Yeah.

Was it Justin Hartley from, this is us?

Sure.

Yeah.

And if I. And if I wear glasses, I ca look like some other people do.

Yeah.

Yeah I like that answer from an actor is, like I can actually look like anyone.

Yeah.

But, like, changing my appearance.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wish I have my parents to.

Thank you both so much.

For more information on Film Toledo.

Where do they find it?

That's from toledo.com.

And you can look us up.

We're on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn.

We get as much information as we can about crew calls, casting calls, our events, we have a whole bunch of events coming up.

Check out our website from toledo.com.

Awesome.

Michael Charles, thank you so much.

When we come back and we're joined by a friend of the show, Doug Hein, aka Dougie fresh.

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Welcome back into the 419.

We're joined now by our good friend and like one of th most positive people in Toledo.

Dougie Fresh Doug behind bar.

Doug, thanks for being here Thank you so much for having me.

And I appreciate that kind descriptor.

Yeah, I wouldn't use it.

That's okay.

Where, where is Elsa?

That's where the people ar going to be clamoring for her.

That's okay.

I didn't know if she could come and I've watched the show.

I actually do, so, I wasn't sure ho she'd get up or sit on anything, and it just didn' really seem like a great idea.

I had to.

Explain to everyon who else is in case they don't.

Elsa is my goldendoodle.

She will be 12 this October.

She's been around for a long time, but she has been just my best friend.

She's easily one of the most famous dogs in Toledo.

She's.

She was on Gwen Stefani stage down in Promenade Park before Gwen Stefani was the dog is a rock star, and people literally get upset when they see me and say, Where's Elsa?

And I'm like, oh, she's not here.

And they're like, stop talking to me.

I'm like, oh my gosh are you all that bombed today?

Are Doug, talk to me abou leaving the house without her.

Do you lie to her?

No, but she she know and she she absolutely can tell.

So she is always ready to go 100% of the time.

She is ready to go.

And I'll have to say to I'll be like, hold on, we're going to go.

And she know and she'll, she'll do her thing.

But if I'm like, you're going t have to stay, she has to stay.

And then boom, she goes on her little pouty spree.

Has that always been her personality that she wants to be out and about with you or have you just always done it?

Well, it.

When I first got her I lived in Houston and I worked full time jobs back in the day.

I was in printing for 25 years, so I was always on second shift.

You know, I worked basically like a 3 to 11 type thing.

And, you know, so there were I was be gone for nine, ten hours, you know, I'd pop home for lunch real quick to let her out to pee, and then that's all she'd see me.

So when I, you know, Covid happened, obviously.

And that that changed everything for me.

So I was working at Metzger's printing in town, and a whole bunch of people got laid off, you know, at the time.

And that that just was kind of going around.

There's no ill will.

I love those guys.

They still do my printing.

But I, I didn't have anything to do all of a sudden.

Yeah.

And, you know, I was single at the time and everything was just meant it was all coming together that I was going to be spending my time outsid taking pictures with that dog.

And we spent so much tim together that I think that it's separation anxiety at the highest level.

She is not the same when I'm not around.

Yeah but it's okay in this situation.

I mean, she that dog literally saved my life, and that's.

That means a lot.

She's I've had a lot of pet and everybody loves their pets.

And I've loved all of my pets.

But she is she's special because of when she came and what she helped me.

Let's talk a little bit about that, about your journey from Houston to Toledo.

Yeah, well, I'm originally from Toledo.

You know, my original street cred was Point Place, so I spent my first six, seven years there.

My parents wanted us to go to a a better school system.

Perrysburg was real hot at the time.

So they couldn't afford t do the city, but they're like, we can move to the township, build a house there.

We can afford that Get them in Perrysburg schools.

That's all that.

So I went to Bowling Green for a year.

Didn't do so hot down there.

Parents got divorced, said you can go to school, but you're paying for it on your own.

Got a job.

So I went to Owens for a couple years, went to UT for a year, didn't graduate, did nothing remarkable, and spent most of my 20s in Toledo just working random printing jobs and partying.

And you know, I was starting my my journey into becoming an alcoholic.

And, you know, back then when I could handle it.

And it was fun, you know, we were going out and doing stuff.

I was a rave kid, you know, as you know, with this, with this tech lido thing.

I mean, that's that's from my heart.

That's the music that we grew up on.

We drive to Detroit, we drive New York City, we drive to Chicago, you know, for a night just to go to a party that started at 8 p.m.

and didn't end until the sun came up.

And over time that that starts to wear on you.

But I was angry with Toledo when I was 29, and I blamed it on all of my faults, my shortcomings.

Everything was Toledo's fault, pretty much, and anywhere was going to be better than here.

So I said, I'm going to move to Charlottesville, Virginia.

My mom and sister had already relocated down there.

The place was pretty, and instantly I found out, oh God this place is too small for me.

And I didn't know any better.

I'd never lived anywhere else, so.

But I was kind of stuck there, and it took me four years to get out of there.

And I said, okay, well I'm going to go somewhere else, but I'm going to choose where I want to go.

Now, and I'm not going back to school.

I'm not doing it.

So I went to Chicago.

You know, growing up there, I had I loved it out there with what I did.

It wasn't I wasn't going to make it out there.

Okay?

All the good jobs were out in the burbs.

I didn't I grew up in Perrysburg.

I did not move to Chicago to live in the burbs.

I moved there to live in the city, so it just wasn't going to work.

So after four years, they're starting to see a pattern.

I moved down to Houston.

I had some friends down and said, we'll give you a free start.

There's no state income tax.

I instantly got a raise making the same thing.

You know, life seemed pretty good and but that still didn't fix it.

And it was, you know, back in the, you know, end of 2015, I had found out my, my own father, was living in the Cherry Stree mission back up here in Toledo.

His own alcoholism had basically taken his life from it, a point being, you know, a homeowner, a business owner, a pillar of Perrysburg community, involved with the schools, two kids, a wife.

You know, he checked all the boxes and he blew it all.

And that on top of me being a terrible dog, dad, you know, I'd work second shift, so I'd.

I'd wake up in the mornin at 11:00, cause, you know, I'm.

I'm all but hung over, and I got to work in a few hours, and the dog wants to go out for a walk or do something.

You know what?

We'll do it after work.

And then I'd get off work and I'd come home and take her out to.

We'll go for a walk a little bit, have a couple drinks, and then I'm passed out next day.

Years of that, and she deserved better.

So you couple that with my dad being homeless.

And so something had to change.

And you found sobriety.

I did I know, I know, that's the journey.

That's it.

Yeah.

You continue to work on it every day.

Yeah.

You have, not been shy about, you know, your social media posts always end with the Diet Coke.

Cheers.

Right.

I did not know the story about your dad, but obviously it explains some of the passion you have around.

It's a little streets newspaper.

Yeah, I imagine there's a connection there.

There is definitely.

And, you know, I knew I saw myself in the mirror basically in 26 years if I didn't do something.

I mean, that was so, you know, when I moved back to Toledo, I wanted to, to get involved.

I decided to do everything.

This was at the end of 2018 you know, for years in Houston.

And I said, you know what?

Enough's enough.

Like I ha I had quit drinking down there.

That changed everything.

My mindset started to change.

My motivation started to change.

My passion for life started to return feelings that I had just denied myself for forever because I was so numb to everything.

And it all really started rushing in.

And you know, I said, I want to start over this printing career.

It's 25 years.

I've gotten nowhere with it.

If I'm going to be broke, I want to be happy.

I want to do something I care about.

And.

And had you been doing photography this entire time?

My first digital camera, I got, Christmas of, 2017.

And so I had, you know, just over a year left in Houston.

I screwed around with a little bit.

I remember the first few months I had it, I was scared of it.

Like, I would still pull my cell phone back out because I didn't know exactly what to do with it.

And so that was just something that, you know, other than going to car shows that were by my house down there, that's where I took photos.

That's what really got my start.

If you you could see my photos.

If you look up Doug Heim bar Houston, ABC, you'll see photos from, the ABC station that they have down there.

Put all my photos on these car shows up on there.

And that's when people though maybe he's got something.

Yeah.

So if people.

I mean, people know Doug Heim, boy in town, they know Dougie Fresh, the photographer.

I feel lik you were at everything and that.

That's a good thing.

That's a compliment to.

You know what you've done?

I want to make sure that if folks don't know, you are a now a full time professional.

Coming up on five years.

Later, where when did you realize, like, I know, obviously, there' this point in entrepreneurship where you say, I want to do this, but when did you realize that you were doing this?

Two of the three people just table had a big part of that.

Kevin, you know, you were I remember I reached out to Junior Achievement because I was a Junio Achievement kid back in the day.

And I said, well, I'm starting to take more photos.

I'm getting social media found out.

I want to maybe do this for work.

How can I do something for Junior Achievement?

And Kevin was working there doing work for them at the time, and I went to film a video that never I don't think it ever turned into anything.

But he asked me at the time, what do you want to do?

And I said, I love events, I want to do big events.

And he said, how about Jeep Fest?

I said, well, that'd be fun.

And he's like, no, seriously, I, I can make this happen.

And a couple weeks later, I got a call from Whitney Hrothgar and I, you know, I've done the Jeep fest for the last five years, and, you know, Kevin and Kevin helped me along with that.

Matt was very instrumental, with the Metro parks.

And that's just something I love doing naturally is being out in natur with my dog if I can take her.

But I love taking photos of landscapes.

I love taking photos of people in nature.

I love taking photos of animals and wildlife and plants and all of this stuff.

So it's just I naturally gravitated towards that.

And this guy pointed it out like, dude, you have a real talent.

And once I realized he wasn't screwing around with me.

Which takes a minute.

Yeah, yeah.

But is there a reason, Gretchen, why you weren't helpful to Doug?

Oh, Gretchen has had me and do family photos.

That's right.

I have instrumental in my career.

I could use a lot of magic.

I don't know where I'd be without Gretchen, because, Oh, Jerry I'd be probably more successful.

Yeah.

Yeah, there is a little bit, we've talked about this a little bit, but there is a correlation between and I for printing or a discerning eye and what you do through the lens.

I think you know how I feel about, your talent, which is there is no one better in our area if connecting what is happening at events through a lens.

So no one to shows the essence of something, or connecting people with an experience or doing a thing like you, but that is, I don't know if you're a person of faith or not.

I but that is a talent, right?

What what makes you good at this?

Is it a gift?

Which we would certainly accept as a is an appropriate answer working at it?

Certainly.

But what makes you this good at this thing?

Well, it's funny that you brought that up, because it's definitel my career and my old career that totally has shaped my new career.

I spent all these years running printing presses.

Everything' coming off of a printing press, a rectangular sheet of paper, you know?

So I'm already looking at squares all day long, or rectangles and.

Looking at three squares, right?

Yes.

And I'm seeing I'm looking at the photography and I'm trying to make a faithful, creation of what a photographer did, what an artist did.

You know, I'm looking at thousands and thousands of thes that are coming off the press.

I see what what images get used on the cover, which ones they sacrifice to a fold on the inside, which one gets relegated t the back cover, stuff like that.

And I, I didn't realize I was training my eye, so when I first picked up a camera, it was natural.

The first compliments I got were for my composition.

Interesting.

Yes, it was the three of us who would be relegated to the back cover.

It's preaching right and okay.

And why is it.

Yeah.

Tell your face.

So.

But what what is it about?

So let's get into some of that science.

Right.

What is it about?

Yeah.

Great question.

What makes for a good image somebody is, is watching this listening to this.

And, you know all they've got is a cell phone.

But they want to take better photos.

What makes for the perfect photo life.

And whether it's life in nature, whether it's life and human beings being able to tell a story and show some energy being able to show some spirit, it doesn't even have to be good energy.

You can show tragedy, you can show sadness.

You can sho so many emotions through photo.

But it has to ask to reflect that.

Or, you know, you can take a crappy photo that still means something that still has significance, but you can tell a better story with a better photo.

And that's something that people gravitate to.

You know, you look at five photos of the same event and, you know if one of them was professional and four of them were randos with a cell phone camera, you probably would be able to pick it out real quick.

You can what it could briefly.

We're going to get to the quiz in one second.

But can you talk briefly about your relationship with Film Toledo?

Absolutely.

I'm the director of communications for Film Toledo, so Michael and those guys.

Are nightmares, right?

I love them to death, and nobody' going to change my mind on that.

They, when I had been friends with Michael, disanto.

Through Toledo creatives and I had learned about, about Film Toledo.

And one of my goals with m photography is I'd been given, you know, I'm very privileged.

I've been given.

I earned my platform.

But I've got a good platform.

When, you know, I post stuff, when I share stuff, you know, people kind of listen and I, I want to grow the whole pie.

I that's an analogy I use all the time.

So rather than all of us fighting for tinier slices I'd rather grow the entire pie.

And I don't know a better way in Toledo for me to grow the industry for creatives.

Then, by supporting film, Toledo.

So that is my way of getting involved, to give back and give people that want to have a career like I'm having in this city and not have to move away and go somewhere else to do it right here in Toledo.

I want them to be able to have that.

And sorry, I' not taking food off of my table to give to all of my friends, but what I can try and do is bring more economic activity here to so they can get hired at their own jobs.

All right.

So we've got like two minutes left.

I want to skip past the quiz because I know you're involved i so many things in the community.

I want to give you 60s to talk about the two thing that I know you're involved in and heavily passionate about.

Talk to me about Toledo Streets newspaper.

So Two Streets newspaper is another thing that's just so close to my heart.

There are a lot of people ou there that are in the situation my dad is in or that I could have been that they only got there by a string of bad luck.

You hear this stat all the time about we're only one.

Some people are only one paycheck away from being homeless.

That happens That happens every single day.

And so many of those people out there, maybe they've had they could have had some better choices, but they don't deserve that.

Nobody deserves that.

And all they need is a leg up and they're not out there to beg.

They're out there to work, an this gives them an opportunity.

Yeah.

So Toledo Streets is producing a newspaper every single month that they're giving to folks that are experiencin homelessness or whatever they.

Buy them actually, they buy them for a quarter apiece, and then it's got a cover value of $1 on it.

So, when they when they first come in and start off the street with nothing, all they have to do is agree to a few rules and they get some papers and they're off to go.

There's no chance you follow this, but 60s, Jake and Cooper's bark, bark.

Jake and Cooper's bark bark Another one is dear to my heart.

I have recently cycled off the board over there.

But I did help build a dog park over in Oregon right off of 280.

That feels really good.

And it's a special dog park because it's not only about the dogs themselves, but it's also about the mental well-being and just a happy life for the owners themselves.

They have events and they have programs that, that cater to that and to tr and build a group in a community rather than just being a place that people take their dog.

For, for rapid fire questions.

Here they come.

If people want more information on Toledo Streets newspaper, where do they get it?

That I think Toledo street uh.com as well is Toledo streets newspaper on social medi that that's going to be the best way to find it and then everything.

We'll link off of that.

Jake and Cooper's dog.

Park.

You can also find that one.

They're very active.

Facebook, social.

Social media accounts.

So Jake and Cooper's Bark Par is what it's called film Toledo.

Film Toledo is, film salido.com.

You can find that on social media under the same name.

Last and certainly not least, where do people find the one?

The only dog high bar they.

Can find me on Instagram at the dog Fest dog I e f h and Doug High bar on Facebook.

Doug thank you.

So thank you so much.

I appreciate everything you do.

When Matt says, you know, you you have a gift, there's no question.

And the thing I love mos is that you're sharing that gift with everybody in the community.

So thank.

You.

Thank you guys for believing in me.

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As we close out this Tuesday edition and exciting conversation with folks from Film Toledo and our good friend Doug behind bar, as well as we're going to the interview with Film Toledo.

I almost asked the question, but I'll ask you guys, do you remember when former Mayor Cathi Finkbeiner was on The Daily Show?

He was on.

It, he was on it.

He was interviewed on The Daily Show.

No.

And, one of the things that he said is that he thinks Toledo could be the next Hollywood, because we have so many abandoned buildings that are just waiting for Bruce Willis to blow up in a. Film ahead of his time as a. Visionary.

Really, really got it.

There wasn't there was a the Detroit mayor that talke about having what we call in my line of work, a controlled burn, but taking down, you know, blocks and blocks and blocks of buildings like a lot of madness.

There is a special or something that is at least interesting to talk about.

In the.

Comment, but I mean, I, you know, obviousl like in that in that interview Cardi was talking about you know, we've got some blight.

We can turn it into a positive.

But the reality is wha what film studio is doing today.

Yeah.

Is taking the assets of Toledo, taking inventory of them and saying, hey, Hollywood, take notice of Toledo.

And my memory was that Cardi wanted to move blind people by the abandoned buildings.

That might be true.

It was something similar to that.

Very close.

Yeah.

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Me too.

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