>>> DEMOCRATS IN OHIO AND AROUND THE COUNTRY HAVE ONE QUESTION -WHAT DO WE DO NOW?

[ MUSIC ] >>> WELCOME TO COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD IN THE HISTORY OF BIG NATIONAL PRESIDENTIAL AND VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES.

THERE ARE MOMENTS THAT STAND OUT.

"THERE IS NO SOVIET DOMINATION OF EASTERN EUROPE" "THERE YOU GO AGAIN", YOU'RE NO JACK KENNEDY… AND "WILL YOU SHUT UP MAN" .

THIS MOMENT JOINS THEM.

>> HE WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP MAKE SURE ALL THOSE THINGS WE NEED TO DO, CHILD CARE, ELDER CARE, MAKING SURE WE CONTINUE THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM, MAKING SURE WE ARE ABLE TO MAKE EVERY WHAT I'M ABLE TO DO --COVID , EXCUSE ME, DEALING WITH EVERYTHING WE HAD TO DO --IF WE FINALLY BEAT MEDICARE -- >> THANK YOU.

>> WE BEAT IT TO DEATH AND HE IS DESTROYING MEDICARE.

ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING IN, PUTTING THEM ON MEDICARE, SOCIAL SECURITY , THEY WILL DESTROY SOCIAL SECURITY.

THIS MAN WILL SINGLE-HANDEDLY DESTROY SOCIAL SECURITY.

>> THE FALLOUT FROM JOE BIDEN'S POOR PERFORMANCE BEGAN BEFORE THE DEBATE ENDED.

AND DESPITE FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S REPEATED FALSEHOODS JOE BIDEN'S HALTING PRESENCE THREATEN HIS PRESIDENCY AND THE FUTURES OF DEMOCRATS DOWN THE TICKET.

BRIAN ROTHENBERG, WHAT DO YOU THINK ?

>> I'M GOING TO CAMPAIGN TO OHIO CROSS THROUGH THAT.

THAT'S WHY HE HAS ONE EVEN WHEN THE STATE HAS GONE INCREASINGLY RED.

I WOULD REMIND PEOPLE YOU CAN'T OVER READ POLITICS.

WE HAD THE INSIDE EDITION ISSUE AND REPUBLICANS WERE FACED WITH THIS A FEW YEARS AGO.

EVERYBODY THOUGHT TRUMP WAS DONE.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

TRUMP DIDN'T REALLY GET A BUMP HERE.

HE TOLD SO MANY LIES AND EXAGGERATED SO MUCH.

I DON'T THINK HE GOT ANYWHERE HERE.

>> JOE BIDEN LOOKED AWFUL.

BY ALL ACCOUNTS HE DID NOT LOOK GOOD AT ALL.

HE IS NOT UP TO THE JOB.

>> LATER ON TODAY HE LOOKED PRETTY GOOD.

AT THE RALLY , HE DID PRETTY WELL IN THE STATE OF THE UNION SPEECH.

THIS IS --THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS IS GOING TO BE ABOUT DONALD TRUMP OR JOE BIDEN.

THE ISSUE FOR JOE BIDEN COMING OUT IS HE'S GOT TO MAKE IT ABOUT DONALD TRUMP AND SOME OF THE RIDICULOUS THINGS DONALD TRUMP SAID.

IF HE DIDN'T SLEEP WITH THIS STAR WHY DID YOU GIVE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO NOT TALK ABOUT IT?

THAT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.

>> THE FIRST DEBATE IS ALWAYS LOUSY.

IF HE GOES IN SEPTEMBER HE'S GOT A COUPLE MONTHS.

CAN HE RECOVER FROM THIS?

>> ANYONE WHO'S BEEN PAYING ATTENTION KNOWS HE'S BEEN IN COGNITIVE DECLINE FOR YEARS.

I'VE BEEN OBSERVING SINCE THE 1980S.

HE WAS A SENATOR FROM DELAWARE.

HE WAS VERY SHARP .

I DISAGREED POLITICALLY BUT HE WAS VERY SHARP IN HIS PRIME.

WE SAW HIM UNSCRIPTED AND HE IS NOT RUNNING THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, THE STAFF IS RUNNING LAST NIGHT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO POLITICS LIKE WE DO AND YOU CAN'T COME BACK FROM THAT.

>> WHAT IS THE REACTION IN THE OHIO DEMOCRATIC CIRCLE?

>> I THINK PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO KIND OF STEP BACK AND DO WHAT RYAN IS SUGGESTING, KIND OF SEE IF HE TACKLES BACK.

THERE IS A CONCERN.

I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT PEOPLE HAVE SAID TODAY AND FROM ALL SIDES , A LOT ARE SAYING IS THIS THE BEST WE CAN DO?

TRUMP WASN'T GREAT EITHER.

BOTH OF THEM REALLY HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS, THERE WERE A LOT OF MIXED TRUTHS STATED.

NO ONE REALLY PERFORMED WELL.

I WOULD THINK A LOT WERE TAKEN ABACK REALLY.

>> THE FRUSTRATION WAS PROBABLY SAYING THINGS FALSE OR HALF TRUE OR SOMETHING OPEN TO DEBATE.

BIDEN DID NOT FIGHT BACK AT ALL.

>> IT SEEMED LIKE THE MODERATORS DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE IT AND LET THINGS GO.

TO YOUR POINT THAT WOULD BE BIDEN'S ROLE POTENTIALLY.

THE CLIP WAS ONE OF THE WORST MOMENTS OF THE DEBATE BUT IT WAS NOT AN UNREPRESENTATIVE ONE EITHER.

>> HE'S PUTTING A LITTLE DISTANCE BETWEEN HIMSELF AND JOE BIDEN.

DOES HE COME OUT AND SAY JOE BIDEN IS THE NOMINEE?

>> JOE BIDEN AS PART OF HIS CAMPAIGN TO BE HONEST.

THERE IS REALLY NO PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN TO SPEAK OF HERE RIGHT NOW.

HIS CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN PRIMARILY ON THE SENATE SIDE, IT IS PRIMARILY HIS BASIC BLUE-COLLAR MESSAGE TO SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT ACTUALLY DO VOTE FOR TRUMP THERE WILL BE TRUMP SHARE GRANT THERE WAS HAVE BEEN AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE.

THE ISSUE FOR HIM IS MAKING SURE THERE IS TURNOUT BUT HE HAS ALWAYS HAD SAID IT ISN'T ABOUT SPENDING MONEY HERE.

IT'S MAKE SURE THERE IS TURNOUT OF YOUR BASE AND CONTINUE THE MESSAGE THAT IS SHARED AROUND WHICH IS A POPULAR BLUE-COLLAR MESSAGE.

>> WE SAW JOGGING AWAY FROM JOE BIDEN.

THIS WEEK HE IS SPRINTING AWAY.

HE KNOWS OHIO HAS CHANGED.

HE WILL LOSE THE RALLY, HE WILL ONLY WIN THE INNER-CITY COURSE.

HE'S IN DANGER THIS YEAR AND IF YOU RUN TO THE SAME TICKET HE KNOWS THAT WILL HURT.

>> WE SAW THAT CONGRESSIONAL RACE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

>> IF KIM RYAN FROM THE VALLEY COULDN'T WIN THE VALLEY SHERROD BROWN IS NOT GOING TO WIN.

>> THE FIRST TIME HE TALKED HE COULDN'T GET ONE QUESTION GOING AND WAS SHOULD BIDEN BE THE NOMINEE.

>> HE'S GOING TO GET THAT QUESTION.

I DON'T KNOW IF HE WILL ANSWER IT.

HE WILL BE ASKED.

>> I SAW A CLIP.

HE PIVOTED AWAY .

HE DOESN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING.

THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS HE SAID.

IT SOUNDED LIKE THE QUESTION WAS FRAMED AS IF WHAT YOU LIKE TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT.

HE DODGED IT.

>> IS THERE ANY SCENARIO WHERE BIDEN WITHDRAWS?

>> THE ONLY SCENARIO WOULD BE IF POLLING SHOWS THAT.

IF ENOUGH PEOPLE --I THINK IT GETS DOWN TO THE BATTLEGROUND THAT WERE TO HAPPEN WHATEVER CANDIDATES WE WERE LOOKING AT .

POSSIBLY THE GOVERNOR OF NORTH CAROLINA IS RETIRING.

HE WOULD PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT SORT OF A PINPOINTED WAY TO DO THAT.

IT NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE BUT IN THE LAST 12 YEARS WE HAVE NEVER SEEN A LOT OF THINGS HAPPEN IN POLITICS.

>> WE ARE TWO OR THREE STEPS DOWN THE ROAD.

IF THEY WERE TO CHANGE THIS LATE.

>> KAMALA HARRIS MIGHT BE MORE DISLIKED THAN JOE BIDEN.

WHEN BIDEN FIRST PUT THE DEBATE OUT THERE I SAID THAT IS SMART.

HIS OWN TERMS, TRUMP SAID ANYWHERE ANYTIME AND I THOUGHT STRATEGICALLY THEY MADE A GOOD MOVE THERE.

WHAT HE DIDN'T REALIZE IS HE DOESN'T HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE UNTIL EARLY OCTOBER OR LATE SEPTEMBER IT'LL BE A SUMMER'S WORTH OF IMPRESSION.

NOW THEY ARE HITTING THEMSELVES FOR DOING IT.

>>> LAST WEEKEND UP TO FOUR GUNMEN SHOT IN 10 PEOPLE ON THE SIDEWALK IN THE SHORT NORTH.

A DAY LATER A DRIVE-BY SHOOTING IN DAYTON LEFT ONE PERSON DEAD AND SIX OTHERS WOUNDED.

THE MASS SHOOTINGS HAVE BROUGHT THE FAMILIAR CALLS -MORE MORE PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT.

AND TOUGHER GUN LAWS.

COLUMBUS POLICE PROMISE A VERY VISIBLE PRESENCE THIS WEEKEND IN THE SHORT NORTH.

MARK WEAVER, IS THERE ANY ONE OR TWO THINGS THAT CAN REALLY STOP THESE FROM OCCURRING?

>> I'VE BEEN A PROSECUTOR NOW, THERE ARE ALREADY LOTS OF GUNS IN THIS COUNTRY LARGELY BECAUSE IT PERMITS IT.

THERE'S PLENTY OF LAWS THAT OUGHT TO BE ENFORCED.

WHAT WE ARE NOT DOING IS TAKING PEOPLE TO CHOOSE TO SHOOT AT ONE ANOTHER AND NOT PUTTING THEM BEHIND BARS.

THERE'S A SMALL POPULATION WILLING TO TRY TO SHOOT ONE ANOTHER AND BY PUTTING THEM AWAY FOR A LONG TIME IT MAKES THE REST THEY FOR.

ALL OF THE SOLUTIONS YOU MENTIONED OR TALKING ABOUT BUT LOCKING UP PEOPLE WHO ARE VIOLENT AND WILLING TO SHOOT ONE ANOTHER IS THE STRONGEST.

>> AFTER THE RECENT SHOOTINGS AND TALK OF PURPLE , REVENUE GENERATOR, THERE WAS SOFTENING ON PUTTING PEOPLE BEHIND BARS .

ARE THEY STARTING TO RETHINK THAT?

>> IT IS A YO-YO EFFECT.

IT WAS THREE TIMES YOU THROW AWAY THE KEY BASICALLY AND THEN THAT GOT CHANGED.

THE PROBLEM IS REALLY SIMPLE WHEN IT COMES TO GUN LAWS.

YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO THE SECOND AMENDMENT, YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO SHOOT AND KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST MISTAKES THE STATE EVER MADE IS WHEN THEY MADE THIS UNIFORMITY AMONG EVERY COUNTY MEMBER IN PLACE.

WHAT HAPPENED IS YOU WANT TO BE OUT IN MADISON COUNTY AND SHOOT A GUN, THAT'S ONE THING.

YOU WANT TO PERMIT THE SAME IN A POPULATED AREA , THERE WAS ANOTHER WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT AND THAT IS WHERE THE PRESS SECRETARY OF CLEVELAND WHERE THEY HAD THE BIG FIREWORKS.

IT IS AN EPIDEMIC AND IT IS TIME FOR THE LEGISLATURE TO STOP LOOSENING THESE REGULATIONS AND DO SOMETHING.

GOVERNOR DeWINE CALLED ON SOMETHING AND IT NEVER HAPPENED.

>> ALMOST FIVE YEARS AGO 2019 WAS THE MASS SHOOTING IN DAYTON.

THERE WAS A RALLY AFTERWARDS BUT GUN LAWS ACTUALLY GOT LOOSER.

>> THIS COMES UP UNFORTUNATELY FREQUENTLY.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LEGISLATIVE OUTLET IS LIKELY TO BE ANY RESTRICTIONS PAST THE LEGISLATURE, THE ANSWER IS NO.

THEY ARE OPPOSED TO THAT AND CONTROL THE LEGISLATURE.

IF PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW IS THERE THE CHANCE OF THIS HAPPENING I HAVE BEGUN TO THINK VALIDATION ISN'T MORE LIKELY.

THERE IS NOT A PRESIDENT SORT RECENTLY.

WHETHER OR NOT THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE MOST LIKELY ROUTE.

>> THE MAYOR HAD A LOT AND THIS AND THIS IS CLOSED FOR ONE OR TWO WEEKENDS.

BEFORE THIS, THERE WERE PEOPLE KILLED, DIFFERENT SHOOTINGS.

THERE WAS A LOT MORE ATTENTION.

>> I THINK IT'S BECAUSE A LOT MORE MONEY DOWN THERE.

A LOT MORE PEOPLE COMING TO THAT AREA.

THERE IS TOURISM THAT SOME OTHER AREAS DON'T GET.

THIS THING IS -- IT'S SOMETHING THERE IS A SHOOTING AND WE PAY ATTENTION FOR A FEW DAYS AND IT GOES AWAY.

IT'S CYCLICAL.

THIS LEGISLATURE HAS SAID AND YOU KNOW I DON'T SEE ANY SIGN IT WILL CHANGE, THE LEGISLATURE SAID WE RESPECT GUN RIGHTS AND WE WILL NOT DO GUN REFORM THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED BY THE OTHER SIDE.

SO, AT THIS POINT, THE ONLY THING THAT COULD BE DONE IS ACTUALLY ENFORCING THE GUN LAWS.

MAYBE WE WILL START TO SEE YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE PUT BEHIND BARS.

EVEN THAT HAS PROBLEMS .

>> WHAT ABOUT POLICING?

>> THEY HAD A LARGER PRESENCE THERE.

THEY WILL HAVE A LARGER ONE THIS WEEKEND .

TWO CRITICISMS OF NOT HAVING THE HELICOPTER READY WHERE THE GETAWAY CAR.

CAN YOU POLICE YOUR WAY OUT OF THIS?

>> I ADVISED A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS AND WHAT THEY SAY BEHIND CLOSED DOORS IS WHEN THE POLITICIANS DON'T HAVE THEIR BACK THEY ARE LESS LIKELY TO GO FURTHER THAN THEY NEED TO ON THE STREET BECAUSE THEY KNOW IF THEY MAKE A MISTAKE WHICHEVER ONE MAKES A MISTAKE ON THEIR JOB THEY WILL HAVE A BACKING POLITICIAN.

IN TOWNS WHERE POLICE ARE BACKED UP BY LEADERSHIP YOU SEE MORE RIGOROUS LAWS FORCED AND BETTER LAW ENFORCEMENT.

WHERE POLITICIANS ARE WILLING TO THROW COPS WHO DID THEIR BEST UNDER THE BUS YOU HAVE LAX LAW ENFORCEMENT AND MORE CRIME.

>>> THE NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION SAFETY BOARD HAS FINISHED ITS INVESTIGATION INTO LAST YEAR'S TRAIN DERAILMENT AND CHEMICAL LEAK AND FIRE IN EAST PALESTINE.

THE NTSB CAST A WIDE NET OF BLAME.

IT FOUND FAULT WITH BADLY DESIGNED RAIL CARS, FAULTY SENSORS ON THE RAILS, INSUFFCIENT RAILROAD STAFF THAT LED TO A MISSED WARNING, AND MAYBE THE BIGGEST MISTAKE OF ALL: THEY MAY NOT HAVE HAD TO DELIBERATLY BURN THE CHEMICALS IN THE CARS, SENDING TOXIC SMOKE INTO THE AIR.

THE RAILROAD CONTINUES TO DEFEND THE DECISION, SAYING IT WAS NECESSARY TO PREVENT THE CARS FROM EXPLODING ANDREW TOBIAS , VERY EXTENSIVE REPORT.

WHAT HAPPENS NOW?

WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN WITH RAILWAY SAFETY AND THE FUTURE?

>> ONE INTERESTING THING IS SHERROD BROWN AND THE DEMOCRATIC SENATORS FROM OHIO --I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD'VE PREVENTED THIS BUT IT'S THE IDEA TO TAKE LESSONS AND BASICALLY TOUGHER REGULATION ON THE RAIL INDUSTRY.

IT MOVED AND THEN IT DIED BUT YOU HEARD INITIALLY AFTER THIS REPORT THERE WAS MAYBE MOVEMENT HAPPENING AGAIN .

THERE IS THE QUESTION WHERE REPUBLICANS WANT TO GIVE SHERROD BROWN A BIPARTISAN WIN AND IF HE ENDS UP BECOMING DONALD TRUMP'S RUNNING MATE .

THE POLITICS ARE COMPLICATED BUT IT'S INTERESTING TO ME THAT THERE IS A SERIOUS PUSH ON THAT BILL.

WE WILL SEE WHETHER IT MOVES FORWARD OR NOT.

>> UNION, RAILWAYS.

>> NOT JUST THE SENATE.

WORKING WITH ANOTHER CONGRESSMAN TO DO THE SAME THING AND IT'S NOT LIVING THERE EITHER.

THOSE CONTINUE TO BE ISSUES.

I THINK THE COMPANY WAS NOT ABLE TO GIVE SUFFICIENT ADVICE TO THE GOVERNOR.

WHEN THEY DECIDED TO BLOW THAT UP , JUST THIS WEEK THERE WAS TWO DIFFERENT COURT DECISIONS.

ONE IS TODAY'S DECISION IN THE SUPREME COURT THAT COULD ACTUALLY MAKE IT SO THE COMPANIES DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE IT CHANGES THE FUNDAMENTAL BACKGROUND OF THAT.

THE OTHER DECISION OF COURSE IS ABOUT EPA AND WHERE THE AIR POLLUTION GOES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> HINDSIGHT IS 2020.

THERE IS EVIDENCE MAYBE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO SET THESE CARS ON FIRE AND BURN OFF THE CHEMICALS BEFORE THEY EXPLODED.

THEY WERE PUSHING FOR IT .

WHO GETS THE BLAME FOR THAT DECISION?

>> YOU STARTED WHERE I WOULD END.

HINDSIGHT IS 2020.

HAD THAT TRAIN CAR EXPLODED BEFORE IT HAD CONTROLLED-RELEASE AND HAD SHRAPNEL FROM THAT MOVED OUT THERE WOULD BE A REPORT OF HOW NEGLIGENT THAT WAS.

WE ASK OUR LEADERS TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS AND THEY STEP UP AND MAKE THEM AND WE CRITICIZE THEM.

THAT IS FAIR BUT HINDSIGHT IS 2020.

>> WHAT ARE THE LESSONS WE LEARN YOU THINK?

IS IT RAILROAD SAFETY?

PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS TINY LITTLE VILLAGE IN FAR EASTERN OHIO.

>> YEAH.

I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE HAS BEEN LESSONS LEARNED FROM IT TO BE HONEST.

IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING THERE , THERE ARE STILL SO MANY QUESTIONS AND SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS TO CAST THE BLAME NO ONE HAS REALLY COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT DEALS WITH ALL OF THE PROBLEMS THAT HAVE BEEN CAUSED.

PEOPLE CAN'T SELL THEIR HOMES, THE VALUE OF THEIR HOMES , THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS UP THERE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS A GAME PLAN TO TACKLE ALL OF IT.

>> THE GOVERNMENT MAY HAVE SETTLED TOO EARLY .

IN FACT THEY SHOULD'VE WAITED UNTIL THE REPORT CAME OUT.

WITH THAT HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE?

>> IT'S REALLY HARD TO EVALUATE BECAUSE I WASN'T INVOLVED WITH NEGOTIATING.

FOR INSTANCE, THE REPORT SAID THAT PARTICULAR TYPE OF CAR THEY WERE USING WAS MORE DANGEROUS AND I FORGET THE DETAILS OF WHY.

THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT OUTLAWING THAT CAR FOR EXAMPLE.

WHETHER THEY COULD'VE HAD A STRONGER POSITION IS HARD TO SAY.

I THINK IT'S A FAIR QUESTION TO SCRUTINIZE WHETHER OR NOT WHAT IS BEING DONE .

IT'S STRONG BECAUSE YOU HAVE CLEAR EXAMPLES THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY NEW REGULATION OR LAW.

>> IS THIS JUST AN ACCIDENT?

>> ACCIDENTS DO HAPPEN.

THEY ALWAYS HAPPEN IN LEADERSHIP AND EVEN AN INDUSTRY LIKE WHEN I WORK FOR UAW.

THE ISSUE IS HOW YOU DEAL WITH IT AND WHAT BEST INFORMATION YOU HAVE.

ONE THING MISSING IS GETTING COMPANIES TO BE FORTHRIGHT AND READY IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION.

I'VE SEEN IT ACTUALLY EVEN IN ISSUES OF INDUSTRIAL ACCIDENTS.

IT IS IMPORTANT.

IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS IMPORTANT FOR GOVERNMENTS TO DO TO REGULATE AND MAKE SURE CORPORATIONS ARE BEING TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

>> THIS TINY LITTLE VILLAGE THAT REALLY BECAME THE SPOTLIGHT OF THE WORLD FOR A MONTH OR SO WHEN THIS HAPPENED.

IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN YOU THINK?

IF THIS WAS A BIG CITY LIKE NEW YORK THIS WOULD BE HUGE.

THIS TINY LITTLE VILLAGE THE WORLD'S MEDIA WAS THERE.

>> THE LENS OF THE MEDIA WILL MOVE ON BUT WE HOPEFULLY WILL HAVE THE LESSONS REMEMBERED .

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S JUSTICE IN EVERY INSTANCE OF THE LONG SWEEP OF HISTORY, WE WILL THINK OF THIS FACTORY FIRE 100 YEARS AGO.

THE FIRE EXITS WERE BLOCKED AND WE ALL KNOW NOT TO DO THAT.

IT DOESN'T HELP THE IMMEDIATE PROBLEM.

YOU LEARN FROM IT , LAWYERS BRING LAWSUITS, JUDGMENTS ARE PAID AND HOPEFULLY REGULATIONS ARE APPROVED.

>>> IT LOOKS LIKE ANY EFFORTS TO REGULATE WHAT HAPPENS ON STATE PUBLIC COLLEGE CAMPUSES WILL WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

A SENATE BILL THAT WOULD HAVE BANNED DIVERSITY EQUITY AND INCLUSION TRAINING AT PUBLIC COLLEGES WILL NOT COME TO A VOTE IN THE HOUSE.

THE BILL WOULD ALSO REQUIRE INTELLECTUAL DIVERSITY WHEN TEACHING TOPICS LIKE ABORTION, MARRIAGE AND ELECTIONS.

THE BILL HAS PASSED THE SENATE.

SUPPORTERS NOW SAY THEY WILL WAIT TO SEE IF THERE IS A NEW SPEAKER IN THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION BEFORE TRYING TO WIN PASSAGE IN THE HOUSE.

MEANWHILE THE HOUSE PASSED A BILL THAT REQUIRES COLLEGES TO GET PUT SYSTEMS IN PLACE TO RELIGIOIUS HARRASSMENT AND INTIMIDATION.

THIS BILL WASN'T TALKED ABOUT FOR MONTHS.

THE SENATE BILL WAS ELIMINATING OR BANNING THE EI TRAINING.

>> THE OTHER BILL DID.

NOW THERE IS A QUESTION, DO YOU NEED THE BILL?

SOME LAWMAKERS INCLUDING SENATOR MATT DOLAN HAS SAID THERE ARE OTHER THINGS IN THIS OTHER BILL THAT ACCOMPLISHED THE SAME THING.

THERE IS A CERTAIN CONTINGENT OF LEGISLATURE SAYING LET'S STEP BACK, SEE HOW THIS IS IMPLEMENTED , SEE WHERE THE HOLES ARE AND IF WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT LATER WE WILL ADDRESS IT LATER.

THERE ARE CONCERNS THE INITIAL BILL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT WAS SPONSORED BY SENATOR JERRY CARINO, THAT WILL THERE ARE CONCERNS IT WILL GO TOO FAR AND IT WILL ACTUALLY HURT SOME OF THE PROGRAM THAT OHIO STATE AND OTHER PRESIDENTS HAVE USED TO TRY TO DEAL WITH PROBLEMS IN THE CAMPUS.

>> DOESN'T GO ANY FURTHER?

DEI PROGRAMS ARE NOT POPULAR AMONG CONSERVATIVES.

THIS SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD BAN ON THOSE HAPPENING ON CAMPUSES.

THERE WAS A LOT OF PUSH AROUND THE COUNTRY.

>> THERE ARE A LOT OF PARTS TO THAT BILL.

ONE OF THE INITIAL CONCERNS WAS WHEN THERE WERE BARGAINING RIGHTS FOR COLLEGE PROFESSORS.

TEACHERS UNIONS HAVE MORE AT PLAY WITH THE CAUCUS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT COALITIONS HAVE WORKED OUT.

I KNOW THAT THOSE GROUPS CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE TYPES OF CONCERNS.

THERE'S OTHER ELEMENTS OF THOSE YOU MENTIONED.

THERE IS AN ELEMENT WHERE THERE IS CONCERNS OF ANTI-SEMITISM IN LIGHT OF THE ISRAEL AND PALESTINE CONFLICT.

CONSERVATIVE THOUGHT IS ENCOURAGED AT THE UNIVERSITY AND A SEPARATE BILL THAT GOT PASSED LAST YEAR THAT IS A CONSERVATIVE THINK TANK.

HE SEES SOME INDIVIDUAL ELEMENTS THAT UNDERPIN THE BILLS .

FUNDAMENTALLY THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF IN THERE.

JUST OBVIOUSLY NOT INTERESTED IN THE HOUSE MOVING FORWARD.

I DON'T KNOW WHY BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT ELEMENTS TO IT.

HE WOULD SEE PARTS OF THIS AND OTHER PIECE OF LEGISLATION.

>> DOES THE THREAT OF LEGISLATION FORCE COLLEGES INTO HOW THEY DO BUSINESS?

>> THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN EFFECT BUT I WISH SOME REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVES WOULD BE AS WORRIED ABOUT THE FIRST AS THEY ARE THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

PERHAPS THE ANSWER IS THEY PUT A TRANSGENDER PROFESSOR AND WIND UP PASSING IT BECAUSE THIS LEGISLATURE SEEMS INTENT ON PICKING TRANS PEOPLE IN THE STATE.

ABOUT IS FOR 220 YEARS IN THIS STATE TEACHERS HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO GIVE HALL PASSES TO BATHROOMS AND REGULATE BATHROOMS IN THEIR SCHOOLS.

THE HOUSE MANAGED TO FIND A WAY TO MANDATE WHERE TRANS PEOPLE CAN GO TO THE BATHROOM.

>> WHERE DID THIS GO?

HOW COURSES ARE TAUGHT.

>> IT'S LESS ABOUT THE MERIT AND MORE ABOUT THE LAWS HAPPENING FOR OTHER REASONS.

THERE IS BROAD SUPPORT IN THIS LEGISLATURE FOR DOING AWAY THAT FALSELY SAYS ONE RACE OF PEOPLE SHOULD BE OPPRESSED AND THE OTHER IS THE OPPRESSED SOURCE.

>> LET'S GET TO OUR FINAL .

>> STOCK IS GOING UP .

MIKE DeWINE GETS TO CHOOSE HIS SEAT.

PUT SOMEBODY THERE WHO WILL RUN AGAIN.

OR PUT IN A CARETAKER, A DEAN OF THE HOUSE WHO WILL HOLD THAT FOR YEARS AND ALLOWED OTHERS.

>> THERE IS A GREAT PROGRAM ABOUT TO BE UNVEILED THIS MONTH.

LSU IS WORKING WITH AN UNDERRATED STATE SENATOR TO OPEN A DENTAL CLINIC IN THE INNER-CITY COLUMBUS.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF BIPARTISAN WORK.

>> WEDNESDAY IS THE DEADLINE TO SUBMIT THEIR SIGNATURES.

WE HAVE ONE GROUP ON THE REFORM AMENDMENT SAYING THEY HAVE A 750,000 SIGNATURES, THAT IS MORE THAN THE ABORTION RIGHTS CAMPAIGN WHEN THEY SUCCESSFULLY GOT ON THE BALLOTS.

IT LOOKS GOOD FOR THEM BUT IF THEY CAN GET SOMETHING LIKE 413,000 TO MAKE THE BALLOT THE OTHER CAMPAIGN IS MORE OF A QUESTION BUT WE WILL KNOW ON WEDNESDAY.

>> TO TAG ONTO THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS MY FINAL THOUGHT.

THEY WILL TURN IN THE SIGNATURES ON MONDAY AND WE ARE TOLD THIS IS GOING TO BE -- PEOPLE ARE BEHIND IT.

GET READY FOR AN ADWARE ON TV.

>>> ITS COM FEST WEEKEND IN COLUMBUS.

NOW THAT ITS LEGAL, I PREDICT MARIJUANA WILL FILL THE AIR AT THE ANNUAL GATHERING.

JUST LIKE IT HAS EVERY YEAR SINCE 1972.

>>> THAT'S COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD FOR THIS WEEK.

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