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>> ERIC: TONIGHT WE'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE TWISTS IN THE FIRST WEEK OF THE DEREK CHAUVIN TRIAL.

AND WHAT IMPACT TODAY'S RECORD CIVIL SETTLEMENT MAY HAVE.

THE LIFTING OF COVID RESTRICTIONS WILL BE ONE TOPIC WITH OUR POLITICAL PANEL.

WE HAVE AN ESSAY BY KEVIN KLING.

AND THEN MARY LAHAMMER LOOKS AT A TENSE ISSUE AT THE STATE CAPITOL.

>> Mary: HOW TO FUND, REFORM, PROTECT LAW ENFORCEMENT IS DIVIDING AND UNITING LAWMAKERS AS A POLICE OFFICER STANDS TRIAL IN A CASE THAT HAS THE WORLD AGAIN WATCHING MINNESOTA.

>> THERE'S JUSTICE.

>> Mary: THAT'S COMING UP ON "ALMANAC."

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>> ERIC: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME.

IN THE NEXT HOUR, WE'LL TALK POLITICS AS THE FIRST COMMITTEE DEADLINES HIT THE STATE CAPITOL.

WE'LL HEAR ABOUT TARGET'S PLANS TO DOWNSIZE THEIR DOWNTOWN PRESENCE.

AND KEVIN KLING WILL HAVE AN ESSAY.

BUT WE START TONIGHT WITH THE DEREK CHAUVIN TRIAL.

>> Cathy: WE DO.

IT WAS A WEEK OF LEGAL WRANGLING OVER A THIRD-DEGREE MURDER CHARGE, AND A WEEK IN WHICH SEVEN JURORS WERE SELECTED.

WE ARE JOINED NOW BY TWO REPORTERS WHO ARE COVERING THE TRIAL.

LONGTIME PUBLIC SAFETY REPORTER BRANDT WILLIAMS IS ON THE CHAUVIN COVERAGE TEAM FOR MPR NEWS.

AMY FORLITI IS COVERING THE TRIAL FOR THE ASSOCIATED PRESS.

BRANDT, ONE JUROR SELECTED TODAY I UNDERSTAND.

WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT JUROR?

>> WELL, WHAT WE KNOW IS FROM WHAT THE COURTS ARE TELLING US, IT'S A WOMAN WHO IS IN HER 50s.

SHE'S WHITE, IDENTIFIES AS WHITE.

AND SHE IS A SINGLE MOTHER OF TWO TEENAGE BOYS.

DURING HER QUESTIONING, THERE WAS A BIT OF A DELAY.

SOMETIMES THEY HAVE TO CUT THE AUDIO DURING THE PROCEEDINGS BECAUSE THEY MAY -- THE POTENTIAL JURORS MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY THAT COULD BE SENSITIVE INFORMATION OR IDENTIFY THEM.

SO THEY WERE OFF AUDIO FOR A WHILE AS SHE SPOKE ABOUT SOMETHING, AND THEN WHEN THEY CAME BACK, THEY WERE ASKING HER MORE ABOUT HER CAREER, AND APPARENTLY SHE HAD IN THE COURSE OF HER WORK, SHE HAD CONTACTS WITH ATTORNEY GENERAL KEITH ELLISON, AND SO THEY ASKED HIM SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW WELL SHE KNEW HIM, AND HOW CLOSELY SHE WORKED WITH HIM.

THEY ESTABLISHED THAT SHE FELT LIKE SHE COULD STILL BE IMPARTIAL.

AND SO AFTER THAT, BOTH SIDES DECIDED THAT SHE WOULD MAKE A GOOD JUROR.

>> Cathy: AMY, MUCH HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THE RACIAL MAKEUP OF THE JURY THUS FAR.

HOW DIVERSE IS IT?

>> IT IS -- IT DOES HAVE SOME DIVERSITY TO IT.

SO FAR, AS YOU'VE SAID, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVEN PEOPLE PICKED.

AND THERE'S ONE WOMAN WHO IDENTIFIED AS MULTIRACIAL OR MIXED RACE, ONE MAN WHO'S BLACKLOCK, ANOTHER MAN WHO IDENTIFIES AS HISPANIC, AND THEN THE REMAINING FOUR JURORS ARE WHITE.

>> Eric: THERE WAS A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT TODAY IN THE WHOLE CASE.

A RECORD WRONGFUL DEATH SETTLEMENT APPROVED BY THE MINNEAPOLIS CITY COUNCIL FOR THE FLOYD FAMILY.

AND THEIR ATTORNEY, BEN CRUMP, TALKED ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE AND THE POWER OF THAT FLOYD VIDEO.

>> GEORGE FLOYD HAD MORE WITNESSES TO HIS TORTURE AND DEATH THAN ANY OTHER PERSON, BLACKLOCK OR WHITE, IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

OVER 50 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE CLICKED TO WATCH THAT VIDEO.

AND ONCE YOU SEE THAT VIDEO, YOU CAN NEVER UNSEE THAT VIDEO.

AND THAT'S WHY GEORGE FLOYD IS CHANGING THE WORLD.

>> Eric: BRANDT, I HEARD SOME OF THE QUESTIONING OF POTENTIAL JURORS THIS WEEK, AND ONE OF THEM DID SAY THAT YOU CAN'T UNSEE THAT VIDEO.

AND I SUPPOSE THAT'S A MAJOR CHALLENGE TO SEATING AN IMPARTIAL JURY, HUH?

>> RIGHT, THAT WOMAN WAS A BLACKLOCK WOMAN.

I WAS IN THE COURTROOM YESTERDAY WHEN SHE WAS ON THE WITNESS STAND.

AND SHE WAS OBVIOUSLY VERY AFFECTED BY THE VIDEO.

SHE SAID, AS YOU MENTIONED, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT SHE COULD NOT UNSEE.

AND IT WOULD BE REALLY HARD FOR HER TO PRESUME DEREK CHAUVIN INNOCENT AFTER SHE SAW WHAT SHE SAW.

AND SHE DESCRIBED, WHAT SHE FELT LIKE WAS A HATEFUL EXPRESSION ON DEREK CHAUVIN'S FACE AS HE HAD HIS KNEE ON GEORGE FLOYD'S NECK.

THERE'S A MAN WHO ALSO SAID THAT THE IMAGE OF SEEING CHAUVIN WITH HIS KNEE ON FLOYD'S NECK REMINDED HIM OF A SCENE FROM WORLD WAR II, LIKE DEREK CHAUVIN WAS A MEMBER OF A OCCUPYING FORCE.

ANOTHER WOMAN WHO SPOKE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHO WAS ALSO EXCUSED, SHE WAS EXCUSED FOR CAUSE, AS THE JUDGE EVEN CONSIDERED THAT SHE WOULD NOT MAKE THE BEST JUROR FOR THIS PANEL, SHE SAID THAT THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH THE EVIDENCE SHE NEEDED TO SEE THAT HELPED HER MAKE UP HER MIND, AND SHE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE SHE COULD CONSIDER ANY OTHER EVIDENCE OTHER THAN THE VIDEO.

>> Eric: AMY, THE NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL PRESS CORPS I ASSUME IS SITTING IN THE BIG SCREEN.

BRANDT WAS IN THE COURTROOM ONE.

DAYS.

BUT ARE ANY OF THE REPORTERS TALKING ABOUT GOING DOWN TO 38TH AND CHICAGO?

AND THE MEDIA WELCOME DOWN THERE EVEN?

>> I'M NOT SURE.

I'M COVERING THIS REMOTELY MYSELF.

BUT THERE IS A BIG NATIONAL CONTINGENT HERE AND I'M SURE SEVERAL REPORTERS WILL BE HEADING DOWN THERE TO CHECK OUT THE SCENE.

BRANDT MIGHT HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING DOWN THERE.

>> Eric: I'D HEARD MAYOR FREY TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AT A NEWS CONFERENCE EARLIER THIS WEEK, BRANDT?

>> YOU KNOW, I WAS NOT AT THAT NEWS CONFERENCE, BUT I HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO INTERACT WITH A FEW OF THE OUT OF TOWN REPORTERS WHO COME IN TO COVER, AND MOSTLY RIGHT NOW THE REACTION I'VE HEARD IS KIND OF HOW THERE ARE A COUPLE OF REPORTERS FROM THE EAST COAST WHO FELT LIKE MAYBE WE WERE A LITTLE TOO NICE HERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO MAKE IT TO 38TH AND CHICAGO, BUT I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF WE DID SEE A LARGER CONTINGENT OF SOME OF THE INTERNATIONAL AND OUT OF TOWN PRESS MAKE A TRIP THERE.

>> Cathy: BRANDT, YOU WERE IN THE COURTROOM, YOU WERE THE POOL REPORTER, HOW WOULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT ROLE TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT TERM?

>> SURE, WELL, THERE ARE TWO POOL REPORTERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN THE COURTROOM EACH DAY, ONE FOR PRINT PUBLICATIONS AND THE OTHER FOR BROADCAST AND I WAS DOING THE POOL REPORTER FOR BROADCAST.

WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS JUST BASICALLY TAKE NOTES ABOUT WHAT YOU SEE IN THE COURTROOM THAT OTHER PEOPLE CANNOT SEE THAT -- BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BEING SHOWN ON THE CAMERAS.

SO WE RELY ON -- UNTIL WE STARTED GETTING INFORMATION FROM THE COURTS ABOUT THE SELF-IDENTIFIED RACIAL AND ETHNIC MAKEUP OF THE JURORS, THE POOL REPORTERS HAVE BEEN THE ONES THAT HAVE HAD TO OFFER OBSERVATIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY SAW, WHAT THE PERSON LOOKED LIKE.

AND I CAN TELL YOU AS SOMEONE WHO'S COVERED A LOT OF TRIALS AND SOME THAT HAVE GARNERED A LOT OF ATTENTION, THAT BEING IN THAT EMPTY COURTROOM JUST ABOUT, FOR SUCH A MONUMENTAL TRIAL, WAS VERY ODD, BECAUSE AS AMY CAN ATTEST TO, WHEN YOU'RE COVERING A TRIAL THAT HAS A LOT OF PUBLIC INTEREST, THE GALLERY'S USUALLY FULL OF PEOPLE, EVEN DURING JURY SELECTION, THERE ARE PEOPLE THERE OBSERVING, AND THERE'S A BUZZ, THERE'S A ENERGY, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE DEFENDANT WALKS IN.

THE ROOM TENDS TO GET QUIET.

PEOPLE TO START, YOU KNOW, KEEP LOOKING AND THEY'RE TRYING TO SEE WHAT TYPES OF REACTIONS.

SO AS A COURT REPORTER, AND AS WE GO ON THROUGH THE TRIAL, WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVE TO BE ONES THAT DESCRIBE WHAT IT'S LIKE IN THE ROOM AND THERE MIGHT BE A FAMILY MEMBER, ANOTHER FAMILY MEMBER FROM THE FLOYD FAMILY THERE, WE MIGHT DESCRIBE HOW THEY'RE REACTING, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING ON OUTSIDE THE CAMERA VIEW, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING, WE'RE GOING TO BE DESCRIBING THAT FOR FOLKS.

>> Eric: AMY, IT'S EARLY I KNOW, BUT THE CAMERAS IN THE COURTROOM, IS THAT HAVING ANY DISCERNIBLE EFFECT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER?

>> IT'S HARD TO KNOW IF IT'S HAVING A BIG EFFECT NOW.

I DO BELIEVE IT WILL GOING FORWARD.

ESPECIALLY THE OPENING STATEMENTS START, I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE TUNING IN TO KEY MOMENTS OF TESTIMONY.

WITH JURY SELECTION RIGHT NOW, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO TELL HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WATCHING, BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE COVID PRECAUTIONS AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON WITH COVID, IT'S -- I MEAN, IT'S BEEN JUST AMAZING TO HAVE THAT.

FOR US WHO CAN'T PHYSICALLY BE THERE.

TO BE THERE.

AND THE POOL REPORTERS WHO ARE THERE, LIKE BRANDT AND OTHERS, HAVE BEEN PROVIDING A REALLY GOOD SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL.

BUT, YEAH, THE CAMERAS, I THINK WERE A REALLY GOOD -- A GOOD ADD TO THIS TRIAL, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF COVID.

>> Cathy: SO, BRANDT, FINAL QUESTION TO YOU, SHORT ANSWER HERE.

SEVEN JURORS SELECTED SO FAR.

DO WE THINK THAT WE MAY END JURY SELECTION SOMETIME NEXT WEEK?

>> AT THIS PACE?

IT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE THEY COULD DO THAT.

AS YOU MENTIONED, THEY HAVE TO GET SEVEN MORE TO FILL OUT THE -- TO HAVE 12 ON THE PANEL AND 2 ALTERNATES.

SO WE'LL SEE WHAT KIND OF PACE THEY KEEP THIS WEEK.

>> Eric: WE'LL CONTINUE TO ENJOY AND LEARN FROM YOUR REPORTING.

THANK YOU, BOTH.

>> THANK YOU.

♪♪ >> ERIC: THE FIRST WEEK IN THE TRIAL OF DEREK CHAUVIN WAS UNUSUAL IN THAT THE CRIMINAL CHARGES WEREN'T SET WHEN JURY SELECTION BEGAN.

THE STATE COURT OF APPEALS WAS INVOLVED.

THERE WAS A PETITION TO THE MINNESOTA SUPREME COURT.

AND FINALLY A STATEMENT FROM THE JUDGE INSTALLING A THIRD-DEGREE MURDER CHARGE IN THE CASE.

HERE TO HELP SORT IT OUT, BRAD COLBERT, PROFESSOR AT MITCHELL HAMLINE LAW SCHOOL.

PROFESSOR, WHY DON'T WE LISTEN TO JUDGE CAHILL TALK ABOUT INSTALLING THAT THIRD-DEGREE MURDER OPTION FOR THE JURY.

>> MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE IS REINSTATED AS ORIGINALLY CHARGED IN THIS CASE.

THIS IS NOT A DECISION AS TO THE OTHER THREE DEFENDANTS WHO ARE SET FOR TRIAL AT A LATER DATE AND WE'LL ADDRESS THAT LATER.

>> Eric: PROFESSOR, IS THIS KIND OF A MIDDLE GROUND BETWEEN MANSLAUGHTER ON THE LIGHT END AND SECOND-DEGREE MURDER ON THE TOUGHER END?

>> ACTUALLY, THEY'RE TWO BRANCHES OF A TREE IN THE SENSE OF, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A -- IT'S A VERY CONFUSING SET OF CHARGES, BUT THE THIRD-DEGREE MURDER IS ABOVE THE MANSLAUGHTER, BUT THEN THE FELONY MURDER IS ACTUALLY ON A DIFFERENT BRANCH.

USUALLY HOMICIDE ARE FROM, THE MOST SERIOUS, PREMEDITATED, THEN YOU HAVE INTENTIONAL, AND THEN YOU HAVE A THIRD DEGREE, WHICH IS, THEY CALL IT DEPRAVED MIND, WHICH ESSENTIALLY MEANS REALLY, REALLY RISKY BEHAVIOR.

AND THEN YOU HAVE SECOND-DEGREE MANSLAUGHTER, AND THAT'S RISKY BEHAVIOR.

AND YOU CAN -- THE JURY IS SUPPOSED TO ASCERTAIN WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE PERSON AND, YOU KNOW, DOING?

WERE THEY REALLY NEGLIGENT?

OR WHAT WERE THEY DOING?

SO IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE SECOND-DEGREE FELONY MURDER.

>> Cathy: BUT THE CHARGE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, PROFESSOR, ISN'T OFTEN USED.

IT WAS USED IN THE MOHAMED NOOR CASE CONVICTED IN THE KILLING OF JUSTINE.

>> IT'S A GREAT QUESTION, AS IT'S DEVELOPED, IN THE MINNESOTA SUPREME COURT, FOR A LONG TIME, SAID THERE HAS TO BE INVOLVING MORE THAN ONE PERSON.

AND SO THAT WAS THE ISSUE IN NOOR.

COULD YOU HAVE A DEPRAVED MIND WHEN ONLY ONE PERSON WAS THE VICTIM?

AND THE COURT OF APPEALS SAID YES.

AND SO IN THAT -- THAT OPENED IT UP FOR MORE CHARGES.

AND AGAIN, PART OF THE PROBLEM IS, ARE THE PHRASES.

AND THEY'RE REALLY DIFFICULT TO ASCERTAIN WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT'S MEANT BY DEPRAVED MIND.

IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ANYONE, FRANKLY, WHAT IT MEANS.

AND THE OTHER EXPRESSION IS, CULPABLE NEGLIGENCE.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE HOW DIFFICULT THOSE CONCEPTS ARE FOR JURORS.

>> Cathy: HOW DO PROSECUTORS PROVE A DEPRAVED MIND?

>> IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

WHAT YOU HAVE TO SHOW IS ESSENTIALLY IS THE BEHAVIOR WAS SO BEYOND THE PALE IN THAT THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THE RISK OF DEBTS OF DEAT.

SO THEY'D HAVE TO SHOW THAT THIS BEHAVIOR JUST WAS BEYOND ACCEPTANCE.

>> Eric: I WROTE DOWN SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MIGHT COME UP IN THE CHAUVIN DEFENSE.

AND I WANTED YOU TO KIND OF GRADE THEM AS TO HOW EFFECTIVE THEY MIGHT BE, GIVEN THAT IT'S REASONABLE DOUBT THEY'RE TRYING TO RAISE.

THAT THE OTHER OFFICERS DID NOT DEESCALATE THE SITUATION BEFORE CHAUVIN GOT THERE.

THAT MR. FLOYD LIKELY DIED OF A DRUG OVERDOSE AND UNDERLYING HEALTH CONDITIONS.

AND THAT CHAUVIN'S USE OF FORCE WAS LAWFUL AND WITHIN MINNEAPOLIS POLICE DEPARTMENT POLICY.

HOW DO THOSE RATE AS THEY LOOK FOR REASONABLE DOUBT?

>> SO TO ME, WHAT IT TURNS ON IS WHETHER THE OFFICERS' ACTIONS WERE REASONABLE.

HE'S ENTITLED TO USE REASONABLE FORCE WHEN YOU ARREST SOMEONE.

THAT'S THE LAW.

SO THE QUESTION BECOMES, WERE THE OFFICER'S ACTIONS IN THIS CASE REASONABLE?

AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE WHAT THE CASE IS ALL ABOUT.

WERE THEY REASONABLE?

AND YOU CAN HEAR THAT A LITTLE BIT FROM THE QUESTIONING OF THE JURORS BY THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY IN THE SENSE OF HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES, OF WHAT MAKES A REASONABLE, YOU KNOW, WAS IT REASONABLE FORCE?

THAT TO ME IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO TURN ON.

AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED GO TO THE REASONABLENESS OF OFFICER CHAUVIN'S ACTIONS, RIGHT?

WAS HE BEING REASONABLE?

DID IT SEEM LIKE IT WAS OUT OF HAND AND HE NEEDED TO APPLY ENOUGH FORCE TO GET THINGS UNDER CONTROL?

WAS IT REASONABLE?

SO THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO TURN ON, I THINK.

>> Eric: LET'S LISTEN TO A CLIP OF A PROSPECTIVE JUROR BEING QUESTIONED.

>> THIS IS JUROR NUMBER 38.

GOOD MORNING, YOU ARE JUROR NUMBER 38, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES, YOUR HONOR.

>> RAISE YOUR RIGHT-HAND PLEASE.

DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU WILL TRUTHFULLY ANSWER ALL QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR QUALIFICATIONS TO SERVE AS A JUROR?

>> I DO.

>> ARE THE TYPE OF PERSON WHO STANDS BY HIS CONVICTION, OR DO YOU SIMPLY AGREE WITH OTHERS FOR THE SAKE OF CONSENSUS?

>> I WOULD SAY THAT I'M MORE OF A PERSON THAT STANDS BY MY OWN CONVICTIONS.

BECAUSE THAT'S WHO I AM.

AND THAT'S, IN MY OPINION, THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE.

>> SO IT'S FAIR TO SAY, SIR, THAT YOU ARE VERY -- OR AT LEAST FAMILIAR WITH THIS CASE?

BEFORE FILLING OUT THIS?

>> THAT'S FAIR TO SAY.

>> ARE YOU WILLING TO SERVE ON THIS JURY?

>> IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A STRONG RESPECT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.

IS THAT FAIR?

>> I THINK THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT.

>> HAVE YOU EVER HAD ANY NEGATIVE INTERACTIONS WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT?

>> I HAVE NOT.

>> IF A BYSTANDER WAS SAYING SOMETHING, AND A POLICE OFFICER WAS SAYING THE OPPOSITE, TO BE ABLE TO GIVE BOTH OF THOSE WITNESSES THE SAME DEGREE OF CREDIBILITY, AND, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU ASSURE US, CAN YOU BE SURE THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT?

>> YES, ABSOLUTELY.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

THE STATE STRIKES.

>> FINE, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR.

YOU ARE BEING EXCUSED FROM THIS JURY.

>> Cathy: SO, PROFESSOR, PRETTY TYPICAL QUESTIONING IN THAT CASE LIKE THIS?

>> IT IS.

THE STATE HAS TO PROVE UNANIMOUSLY.

IT HAS TO BE 12 TO NOTHING.

AND SO WHAT THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY IS TALKING ABOUT WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT, WILL YOU STAND BY YOUR CONVICTIONS?

THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE IF SOMEBODY, ONE PERSON VOTES FOR ACQUITTAL THAT THEY WILL STAND BY THAT VOTE.

SO IF IT'S 11-1, WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A HUNG JURY AND THEN IT'S A MISTRIAL.

AND HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE JURORS WHO HRONINGLY STAND BY IN CASE IT'S 11-1 OR 12-2.

REGARDING WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO BELIEVE A POLICE OFFICER OR NOT.

AND WHAT'S FASCINATING ABOUT THIS TRIAL IS THAT GENERALLY THAT'S THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY WHO'S ASKING THAT.

THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY IS ASKING, WILL YOU BELIEVE POLICE OFFICERS, OR WITNESSES, BECAUSE USUALLY IT'S -- THAT'S HOW IT WORKS OUT.

BUT IN THIS CASE IT'S SO TOPSY TURFY IN THAT THE STATE IS IMPLYING THAT YOU REALLY CAN'T BELIEVE THE POLICE OFFICERS, WHICH IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

SAME QUESTION.

BUT USUALLY THAT'S ASKED BY THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY, NOT THE PROSECUTION.

>> Cathy: SO YOU PROBABLY HEARD US TALK TO THE REPORTERS AT THE TOP OF THE SHOW ABOUT JURY SELECTION, AND THE MAKEUP, THE RACIAL MAKEUP, SO FAR OF THAT JURY.

AT THIS POINT, THERE APPEARS TO BE NO AFRICAN-AMERICAN ON THE JURY.

DO YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE?

>> WHAT THE COURT HAS SAID IS IT'S QUITE CLEAR, IS THEY CAN'T STRIKE SOMEBODY ON THE BASIS OF RACE.

SO THAT'S ALL THE CONTROL THAT THE JUDGE HAS.

IT COMES BY RANDOMLY.

AND SO WE HAVE A POOL OF JURORS, AND IT COMES BY RANDOMLY, SO IF THEY HAVE ONLY -- IF IT COMES BY 100 WHITE PEOPLE COME IN, THAT'S JUST THE WAY THE RANDOM -- THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT.

WHAT THEY HAVE CONTROL OVER IS WHO THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY OR WHO THE PROSECUTOR CAN STRIKE.

AND THEY CAN ONLY STRIKE.

THEY CANNOT STRIKE ON THE BASIS OF RACE.

BUT THERE'S NO CONTROLS OF WHO GETS CALLED IN THE TERMS OF AFTER THE POOL HAS BEEN SELECTED.

>> Cathy: ALL RIGHT.

>> Eric: GOOD STUFF, PROFESSOR.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

>> Cathy: THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, NICE TO BE HERE.

♪♪ >> CATHY: DURING THE COURSE OF THE CHAUVIN TRIAL, THE TPT ORIGINALS STORYTELLING SITE WILL CREATE WEEKLY VIDEOS ANSWERING A SPECIFIC QUESTION.

THE VIDEOS ARE CREATED BY THE PRODUCING TEAM OF KYELAND JACKSON AND KEVIN DRAGSETH.

KYELAND IS THE HOST.

THIS WEEK'S QUESTION: HOW CAN BLACK COMMUNITIES FIND HEALING AFTER GENERATIONS OF RACISM AND HISTORICAL TRAUMA?

HERE'S A CLIP FROM THE VIDEO.

>> WE SAW BROTHER GEORGE FLOYD GET MEASURED.

MURDERED.

AND WHAT I KNOW IS THAT USUALLY FROM ONE TO THREE YEARS IS THE MOST ACUTE TIME WHEN THAT STUFF ACTIVATES THE SAME TIME EACH YEAR.

AND WHEN QUESTION START TO GO INTO DEPRESSION OR WE START TO GO INTO THIS, MAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, WE START TO PUT THE DEFECT ON US, SOMETHING MUST BE HAPPENED WRONG WITH ME, NOT WHAT HAPPENED TO ME A YEAR AGO AND NOW MY BODY IS START TO KIND OF REACTIVATE TO THAT AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S THE ANNIVERSARY OF IT, RIGHT?

AND SO WHAT I HOPE THAT WE BEGIN TO DO IS TO BEGIN TO DEVELOP REMEMBRANCES, LIKE I KNOW SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE DOING OVER ON 38TH AND CHICAGO, AS PEOPLE COME TO THAT PLACE, THEY REMEMBER THAT, AND SO THOSE VIBRATIONS, THOSE FEELINGS, THOSE EMOTIONS, THOSE THOUGHTS, THOSE IMAGES, ALL OF THAT STUFF CAN BE PUT INTO CONTEXT.

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HELPS US HEAL THROUGH THIS STUFF.

>> TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF, MINNESOTA.

GET HELP.

SHARE YOUR STORY.

AND SHOW UP FOR OTHERS.

WE'VE PERSEVERED THROUGH THIS BEFORE.

AND WE'LL GET THROUGH THIS NOW.

PEACE AND LOVE.

♪♪ >> ERIC: DOWNTOWN MINNEAPOLIS LEADERS HAVE BEEN EAGER ALL WINTER TO LEARN ABOUT TARGET'S OFFICE PLANS.

THE NEWS CAME THURSDAY.

AND IT ARRIVED WITH A THUD.

TARGET, THE LARGEST EMPLOYER IN DOWNTOWN MINNEAPOLIS, IS MOVING OUT OF THE CITY CENTER AND REDUCING ITS OFFICE SPACE BY ONE THIRD.

DEE DEPASS COVERS COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE FOR THE "STAR TRIBUNE."

DEE, THIS IS LIKE 8% OF THE CLASS-A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IN DOWNTOWN MINNEAPOLIS.

HOW BIG A BLOW TO DOWNTOWN?

>> IT DEPENDS ON WHO YOU TALK TO.

THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE EXPERTS THAT I TALK TO INSIST THAT THE SKY IS NOT FALLING.

THAT TARGET WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE LARGEST EMPLOYER DOWNTOWN.

WILL STILL BE THE LARGEST REAL ESTATE HOLDER, I SHOULD SAY, DOWNTOWN, EVEN AFTER THIS MOVE.

BUT THERE ARE OTHERS WHO SAY THAT THIS IS A TOUGH SITUATION.

BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE THE BEGINNING OF PEOPLE WORKING ELSEWHERE.

OR LOOKING AT TARGET'S EXAMPLE AND FOLLOWING IT AND DECIDING THAT THEY TOO WILL REDUCE THEIR OFFICE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

THERE'S SOME NATIONAL STUDIES OUT THAT SAY THAT ABOUT 12 TO 18% OF OFFICE SPACE NATIONWIDE COULD BE AFFECTED BY SOME OF THE MOVES AS CORPORATIONS ADOPT A PERMANENT HYBRID WORK MODEL.

>> Cathy: I'M SUBSTANCE CURIOUSU KNOW, WOULD IT ALSO MEAN THAT THINGS LIKE RESTAURANTS AND OTHER SERVICES IN DOWNTOWN MINNEAPOLIS COULD TAKE A HIT BECAUSE THERE'LL BE FEWER WORKERS?

>> THERE'S SOME THOUGHT THAT THE -- THEY MIGHT.

WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THAT IT'S NOT THAT THE EMPLOYEES ARE GOING AWAY AND NOT GOING TO VISIT THEIR DOWNTOWN OFFICES PERMANENTLY.

IT'S JUST THAT THEY WILL BE THERE ON A PART-TIME BASIS.

AND SO YOU COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE OFFICE SPACE REALLY AT MAXIMUM CAPACITY, ONLY THREE DAYS A WEEK, DEPENDING ON IF PEOPLE DECIDE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND WORK REMOTELY MONDAYS AND FRIDAYS.

IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN, YEAH, YOU HAVE YOUR FOOD TRUCKS, YOU HAVE YOUR SKYWAY BUSINESSES, YOU HAVE YOUR SHOPS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, CART SHOPS AND BARBER SHOPS THAT ARE IN THE SKYWAYS, THEY HAVE ALREADY TAKEN A HIT BECAUSE OF COVID, AND THE THOUGHT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS WILL -- THAT CERTAINLY IT WILL NOT BE AS BAD AS DURING COVID, BUT WHETHER THEY CAN GET BACK TO THEIR 2019 REVENUE LEVELS IS ANOTHER QUESTION.

>> Eric: HOW ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE TARGET RETAIL STORE ON THE NICOLLET MALL?

>> I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THAT GOING AWAY.

THAT'S STILL A VERY POPULAR STORE.

DOWNTOWN MINNEAPOLIS HAS THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS NOW WHO LIVE DOWNTOWN.

AND THERE ARE MORE APARTMENTS AND CONDOS BEING BUILT, YOU KNOW, EVERY MONTH JUST ABOUT, ANOTHER ONE IS OPENING OR ANNOUNCING THAT IT'S GOING TO BE OPENING IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN POPULAR WITH OFFICE WORKERS.

IT'S BEEN POPULAR WITH DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS.

I HAVE HEARD NOTHING, AND THERE ARE NO PLANS THAT I'VE HEARD THAT TARGET IS CONSIDERING CLOSING THAT.

THAT OPERATION.

AS FAR AS I HEAR, IT'S STILL SUCCESSFUL.

>> Cathy: BUT TARGET HAS, WHAT, A TEN-YEAR LEASE ON CITY CENTER?

IS THAT RIGHT?

SO WOULDN'T THEY NEED TO SUB-LEASE?

IS THAT MAYBE A BOON FOR OTHER BUSINESSES?

>> WELL, THERE ARE TWO THINGS.

WE DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF TARGET'S SPECIFIC CONTRACT, SPECIFIC LEASE.

BUT IT SIGNED A LEASE IN 2015.

WE KNOW THAT IT EXPIRES IN DECEMBER 2031.

AND THERE ARE TWO THINGS.

THERE ARE CONTRACTS WHERE, WHEN YOU ORIGINALLY SIGN THEM, YOU CAN PUT BUYOUT PROVISIONS IN THOSE CONTRACTS.

AND SOME REAL ESTATE COMPANIES THAT WORK WITH TENANTS USE THOSE AS A MATTER OF JUST THEIR STANDARD PRACTICE.

A LOT OF COMPANIES DON'T.

AND IF THAT'S THE CASE WITH TARGET'S LEASE CONTRACT, THEN TARGET WOULD INDEED BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING THE RENT ON THAT CITY CENTER PROPERTY.

FOR, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT TEN YEARS.

AND SO THEN TARGET WOULD HAVE THE OPTION OF LOOKING FOR A SUB-LEASE TENANT OR SEVERAL SUB-LEASE TENANTS JUST TO TAKE UP ITS SPACE AND TO BEGIN PAYING TARGET RENT.

SO -- AND CATHY, REMIND ME, WHAT WAS THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION?

>> Cathy: MIGHT THAT BE A BOON FOR POTENTIAL SMALLER BUSINESSES SUB-LEASING THAT SPACE FROM TARGET?

>> Eric: AT A CHEAPER PRICE?

>> WELL, I TALKED TO A FELLOW BY THE NAME OF JIM YESTERDAY, AND HE HAD A REALLY GOOD POINT.

THIS IS TERRIBLE NEWS DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU SIT, OR IT'S GREAT NEWS DEPENDING ON IF YOU ARE IN THE MARKET FOR ATTRACTIVE OFFICE SPACE.

BUT A COUPLE OF PARAMETERS THAT WE JUST WON'T KNOW IS, WILL TARGET FIND A COMPANY TO SUB-LEASE THE SPACE?

AND THE THEORY OR THE THINKING IS THAT TARGET MAY HAVE GOTTEN A PRETTY DECENT RENT PRICE.

AND IT CAN DECIDE TO RENT ITS SPACE AT A PROFIT POSSIBLY, OR IT COULD DECIDE TO RENT ITS SPACE AT A DISCOUNT.

AND DEPENDING ON WHICH DIRECTION TARGET GOES, THAT WILL HAVE RAMIFICATIONS FOR THE REST OF THE MARKET.

OTHER REAL ESTATE PRACTITIONERS ARE NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH TARGET ENDS UP SUB-LEASING ITS OWN SPACE AT A DISCOUNT, BECAUSE THAT ROLLS OUT INTO THE MARKETPLACE AND, YOU KNOW, HAS RIPPLE EFFECTS.

SO -- AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, WILL TARGET JACK UP THE PRICE?

AND ASK FOR -- BECAUSE IT IS JUST A FABULOUSLY LOCATED PROPERTY IN TERMS OF TRANSPORTATION AND IN TERMS OF ACCESS TO PARKING FACILITIES.

>> Eric: ALL RIGHT.

>> YOU KNOW, AND IN TERMS OF JUST ACCESS TO OTHER DOWNTOWN OFFICE BUILDINGS.

IT REALLY HAS A LOT GOING FOR IT.

>> Eric: THANKS FOR THE TIME.

>> THANK YOU.

♪♪ >> AND IT WAS ACTUALLY THE GEORGE FLOYD KILLING THAT BROUGHT ME BACK INTO THE RACE, WHERE I DECIDED THAT THERE NEEDED TO BE SOME NEW VOICES AND THAT WE WERE DEALING WITH THIS SAME ISSUE AGAIN AND AGAIN, AND I THINK GEORGE FLOYD HIT ALL OF US REALLY HARD BECAUSE OF THE VIDEO TAPE AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING.

BUT IT ALSO HIT REALLY HARD BECAUSE PHILANDO CASTILE WAS KILLED, YOU KNOW, IN SIMILARLY HORRIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES, AND THAT'S RIGHT ON THE BORDER OF MY DISTRICT.

AND IT WAS REALLY HEART-BREAKING TO HEAR PEOPLE CONTINUOUSLY SAY, HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO GEORGE FLOYD WHEN IT HAS LITERALLY JUST HAPPENED FOUR YEARS AGO TO PHILANDO CASTILE?

>> Mary: WHAT DO YOU SAY TO YOUR KIDS THROUGH THEM?

>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

AND THIS HAS BEEN AN AMAZING OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME REALLY IN-DEPTH CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT THESE ISSUES?

♪♪ >> CATHY: IT FLIRTED WITH 70 DEGREES LAST WEEKEND.

THERE WERE TORNADO WARNINGS IN THE METRO AND FORECAST FOR SNOW ON MONDAY.

AND AT THE SAME TIME THERE WAS HEAVY SNOW UP NORTH.

YES, IT'S MARCH IN MINNESOTA.

AND WE'RE LIVING THROUGH THE FIRST OF SEVERAL FALSE SPRINGS.

PAUL DOUGLAS KNOWS THIS WOE ALL TOO MUCH.

HE OF THE "STAR TRIBUNE," WCCO RADIO, AND AERIS WEATHER FAME.

HEY, YOU'RE BACK IF THE STATE.

IN THE STATE AFTER YOUR FLORIDA TRIP.

>> YES.

IT'S SAFE NOW, I THINK.

>> Cathy: YEAH, HOPEFULLY.

SAY, MY FRIEND -- >> YES.

>> Cathy: THE TORNADO WARNING WERE PRETTY INTERESTING.

THE EARLIEST TORNADO THAT WE HAD IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA WERE MARCH THE 6TH, 2017, AND I'M WONDERING WITH THAT DATE IN MIND, 2017, AND NOW 2021, IS THERE SOMETHING -- THE CLIMATE SHIFT THAT'S CAUSING THAT WEIRD WEATHER?

>> YEAH, CATHY, I THINK YOU'RE ONTO SOMETHING.

FOR THE SAME REASON THAT NOAA IS CONSIDERING MOVING UP THE START OF HURRICANE SEASON TO MAY 15TH FROM JUNE 1 BECAUSE IT'S CONSISTENTLY WARMER, THE WATERS ARE WARMER, WE HAVE A LONGER GROWING SEASON IN MINNESOTA.

SPRING TENDS TO COME EARLIER, NOT EVERY YEAR, BUT MANY YEARS.

AND SO, YEAH, WE MAY BE SEEING MORE TORNADOES EARLIER IN THE SEASON.

YOU COULD MAKE AN ARGUMENT, MAYBE WE SHOULD MOVE UP SEVERE WEATHER AWARENESS WEEK BY A COUPLE OF WEEKS JUST TO GET PEOPLE THINKING ABOUT TORNADOES IN MARCH.

>> Eric: I'M MORE OF A VISUAL LEARNER, AS HAND SOME AS YOU ARE, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING ON THE SCREEN.

>> OKAY.

OH, MAN, I'M GLAD YOU'RE NEAR-SIGHTED.

I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE, ERIC AND CATHY, THAT WINTER, METEOROLOGICAL WINTER, DECEMBER, JANUARY, FEBRUARY, ONE DEGREE WARMER THAN AVERAGE.

BECAUSE DECEMBER AND JANUARY WERE SO WARM, AND THEN WE GOT SLAPPED OF COURSE IN FEBRUARY.

15 SUBZERO NIGHTS.

SO FAR THIS WINTER SEASON.

I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH THE SUBZERO.

AND THAT'S A LOT, BUT IT WAS ALL FOR THE MOST PART IN FEBRUARY.

THIRD WARMEST START TO MARCH SO FAR.

ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE.

AVERAGE SNOW FALL, WE'RE RIGHT AT 45 INCHES IN THE TWIN CITIES.

FOR THE WINTER.

72 UP IN DULUTH.

NOW, THAT IS AVERAGE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEPARTURE FROM AVERAGE, WE'RE RUNNING PRETTY CLOSE TO AVERAGE.

DULUTH, ST.

CLOUD, TWIN CITIES.

A BIG DEFICIT, THOUGH, FOR SNOW UP NORTH.

AND EVEN PARTS OF SOUTHERN MINNESOTA.

AND WISCONSIN.

DON'T RETIRE THE HEAVY JACKETS JUST YET.

I'VE RETIRED MY PARK YA.

I'M KEEPING THE DRIVEWAY STAKES IN.

NEXT WEEK, MOSTLY 40s.

THE EUROPEAN MODEL HINTING AT 60 AGAIN A WEEK FROM SUNDAY.

AND AS ALWAYS, IT CAN BE WORSE.

YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT SNOW-MAGEDDON, DENVER GEARING UP FOR TWO TO THREE FEET OF SNOW.

THIS IS THE EUROPEAN MODEL SOLUTION.

SOME 20 TO 60-INCH AMOUNTS PREDICTED THIS WEEKEND.

IT'S GOING TO BE CRAZY, AND A PIECE OF THAT STORM, WHAT'S LEFT OF IT, IS GOING TO BE HEADING TOWARDS MINNESOTA.

AND WE COULD SEE A LITTLE BIT OF WET SNOW, SOUTHERN MINNESOTA, ON MONDAY.

AND, YEAH, CATHY, THE TORNADO WATCH, AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL, THE SECOND EARLIEST ON RECORD.

ON WEDNESDAY.

NO REPORTS OF ANY ACTUAL TOUCHDOWNS.

TWO AND A HALF INCH HAIL, SPIKEY HAIL, INVER GROVE HEIGHTS, A LITTLE EARLY IN THE SEASON FOR HAIL.

BUT THERE'S SOME THOUGHT THAT BECAUSE WE'RE IN A LA NINA, COOL PHASE IN THE PACIFIC, THAT WE COULD BE SETTING THE STAGE FOR A MORE ACTIVE SEASON.

2011, THAT'S THE YEAR OF THE JOPLIN TORNADO, OVER 500 DEATHS, OVER 1700 TORNADOES BACK IN 2011.

NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE A REPEAT.

BUT I THINK MY SPIDEY SENSES TELL ME THAT IT MAY BE A BUSIER YEAR.

A BUSIER SPRING FOR TORNADOES.

AND MUCH OF THE STATE, TOO DRY.

WE STILL HAVE MODERATE DROUGHT, NORTHERN THIRD OF THE STATE, FAR WESTERN COUNTIES.

THE WESTERN HALF OF AMERICA EXPERIENCING EXTREME TO EXCEPTIONAL DROUGHT.

A LOT OF FARMERS, A LOT OF GARDENERS CONCERNED ABOUT THIS DRY SPELL.

I WILL BE REASSURED, AND AGAIN, SPRINGS IN RECENT DECADES HAVE BEEN TRENDING WETTER, SO NOT PANICKING JUST YET.

A GENTLE REMINDER BEFORE YOU GO TO BED SATURDAY NIGHT, SPRING FORWARD.

SET THE CLOCKS FORWARD.

ANOTHER SIGN OF SPRING.

THE REALLY NASTY STUFF, CATHY AND ERIC, THE POLAR AIR, THE SUBZERO WEATHER, THAT'S BEHIND US, CERTAINLY IN THE TWIN CITIES.

BUT, YOU KNOW, SPRING IS ALWAYS ONE STEP FORWARD, TWO STEPS BACK, AND THERE WILL BE A FEW DEATH RATTLES FROM OLD MAN WINTER HERE IN THE WEEKS TO COME.

BUT WE GOT THROUGH IT.

IT WAS AVERAGE.

>> Eric: YOU'VE GIVEN US A LOT TO BE THANKFUL FOR.

SO THANKS A LOT.

>> Cathy: SEE YA.

>> SEE YA.

HAPPY WEEKEND.

>> Eric: SAME TO YOU.

♪♪ >> SO THIS LAST WEEK, WE HAD INTERNATIONAL WOMEN'S DAY.

WE HAVE A ROVER ON MARZ.

THE SUN CAME OUT.

AND IT WAS GLORIOUS.

EXPOSED FLESH TURNED BACK INTO SKIN.

A COUPLE OF MORE DAYS IN THE 40s, WE'LL GET DOWNRIGHT BACCHANALIAN.

BUT HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE WATCHED OUR LITTLE HAPPY TULIP SHOOTS BE CRUSHED UNDER THE HOBNOB HEEL OF AN UNEXPECTED APRIL POLAR VORTEX?

HEY, LOOK, I FOUND ONE.

NO, THAT'S HALLOWEEN CANDY.

SEE, CULTURES THAT ARE HAMSTRUNG BY FASHION WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY WE WEAR JACKETS WITH SHORTS AND FLIP FLOPS OR WHY EVERYWHERE I GO, I BRING A STOCKING CAP, A SCARF, A ROAD FLARE, AND I HAVE BEEN BURNED TOO MANY TIMES.

BUT SPRING IS COMING.

AND WITH THE NEW VACCINES, WE MIGHT EVEN BE ABLE TO GATHER TOGETHER AGAIN SOON.

GET YOUR SHOT YET?

IS THE NEW, HOW YOU DOING?

AND AS WE MOVE FROM SURVIVAL MODE, WE'LL GET TO FIGURE OUT, WHAT DO WE WANT TO RECOVER AND WHAT DO WE WANT TO TOSS INTO THAT NEIGHBOR'S DUMB BETTER DOWN THE BLOCK?

AFTER ANY TRAUMA DWRA, THERE'S THE SELF YOU WERE AND THE ONE THAT YOU WILL GROW INTO, AND IN BETWEEN, LIKE A WINTER ARE VORTEX, GRIEF WILL APPEAR SWIFT AND UNANNOUNCED.

SO BE KIND.

YOU NEED TO HAVE TIME TO GRIEVE.

FOR ME I'VE BEEN PLAYING MORE MUSIC, IN HONOR OF MY FRIEND PETER.

IT FEELS LIKE I'M SPENDING TIME WITH THEM AND I LOVE THAT.

I'VE WORKED MORE WITH HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS WHICH TERRIFIES ME.

BUT IT'S BEEN AN UNEXPECTED GIFT.

WE PUT UP TWO MORE BIRD FEEDERS IN MY BACKYARD.

WELL, ONE FOR THE BIRDS AND ONE FOR THE SQUIRRELS.

AND EATING SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T SPEND TIME LIVING ON A CURB.

AND IF WE DO SPEND A FEW BUCKS TO BEEF THE DANG VIKINGS OFFENSE, YOU CAN BET NEXT YEAR WE'RE GOING ALL THE WAY, AND THEN IT'S BACK NAIL YAN BARBECUE AT MY HOUSE!

>> ERIC: THE TRIAL IN MINNEAPOLIS HAD AN IMPACT ON LAWMAKERS IN ST. PAUL.

IN A BUSY WEEK WITH THE FIRST DEADLINE LOOMING, POLITICAL REPORTER MARY LAHAMMER EXAMINES HOW TWO DIFFERENT BILLS DEALING WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT HAD VERY DIFFERENT RESPONSES IN THE SAME CHAMBER.

>> Mary: AS LAW ENFORCEMENT STANDS AT THE READY OUTSIDE THE FIRST TRIAL OF A WHITE OFFICER CHARGED WITH THE MURDER OF A BLACK MAN IN MINNESOTA, LAWMAKERS AT THE STATE CAPITOL ARE TRYING TO TACKLE A VARIETY OF ISSUES AROUND POLICING.

>> ARIK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL THEM HOW YOUR LIFE HAS CHANGED?

>> EVERY DAY SINCE THE INCIDENT, I FIND OUT NEW STUFF THAT I CAN'T DO ANYMORE SUCH AS WALKING.

>> Mary: OFFICER MATSON WHO NEARLY LOST HIS LIFE IN THE LINE OF WORK, HAS LAWMAKERS FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE LOOKING TO INCREASE PENALTIES.

>> I'M INSPIRED BY YOUR WIFE.

AND I THINK THAT THIS BILL -- THIS BILL SETS THAT EXAMPLE THAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, THAT THERE'S JUSTICE.

>> A REPEATED FELON, THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET OUT, THIS GUY HAS BEEN IN PRISON MORE THAN HE HAS BEEN OUT OF PRISON.

OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM NEEDS TO REALIZE THAT THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT THERE'S NEVER GOING TO BE ENOUGH JUSTICE, BUT THIS IS AT LEAST A START.

>> Mary: IS IT THAT EXAMPLE OF REAL PEOPLE AND REAL EMOTIONS HAVING AN IMPACT ON, LIKE, ALMOST ANYTHING ELSE IN LEGISLATING?

>> ABSOLUTELY, YOU KNOW, MEGAN HAS BEEN JUST A CORNER STONE OF THIS LEGISLATION.

SHE'S BEEN INVOLVED.

SHE WANTS THIS NEVER TO HAPPEN TO ANYBODY AGAIN.

WHAT THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH.

I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A LAW ENFORCEMENT GUY.

GO BACK TO MY MAYOR DAYS.

ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO GIVE YOUR POLICE FORCE THE TOOLS THEY NEED TO KEEP US SAFE IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

>> Mary: LAW ENFORCEMENT KNOWS THIS IS A DIFFICULT TIME FOR THE PUBLIC AND THEIR PROFESSION.

>> WE'RE SEEING MORE VIOLENCE ESPECIALLY AGAINST PEACE AND POLICE OFFICERS EVERY SINGLE DAY.

>> IT IS ADMITTEDLY A DIFFICULT TIME TO THE ISSUE OF POLICING AND LAWMAKER.

AND IT'S -- AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.

IT'S BEEN A PRETTY DIVISIVE ISSUE.

HOW IS THIS BILL NOT FALLING INTO THAT?

>> WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT OUR POLICE OFFICERS.

WE WANTED TO BE PROTECTED AND THESE ARE OUR "FRONTLINE" PEOPLE THAT PROTECT US.

I KNOW THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS GOING ON IN NOT ONLY OUR STATE BUT THE WHOLE NATION.

I REALLY LOOK AT IT AS A DETERRENCE FACTOR.

PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THERE'S SEVERE PENALTIES.

>> Mary: DO YOU THINK THIS COULD HELP WITH RECRUITMENT?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WE NEED TO SUPPORT OUR POLICE.

>> HE'S VERY LUCKY TO BE ALIVE, AND WITH US TODAY.

>> I GENERALLY LIKE THE FRAMEWORK THAT G BEEN PUT TOGETHER IN THIS BILL.

AND I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE.

>> Mary: WHILE SENATORS CAME TOGETHER ON A BILL PROTECTING POLICE, THEY DIVIDED ON A BILL FUNDING PUBLIC SAFETY, IN CASE MORE PUBLIC PROTESTS TURNS INTO CIVIL UNREST IN THE TRIAL OF FORMER OFFICER CHAUVIN.

>> PLEASE BE RESPONSIBLE AND DO NOT USE THE TRAUMA AND THE PAINFUL, THE PAINFUL MOMENT THAT MY CITY IS LIVING RIGHT NOW AND THAT MANY OF YOU ARE USING FOR YOUR POLITICAL GAIN.

>> IT IS EVEN MORE HARMFUL AND INSULTING AND INCENDIARY FOR US TO PASS THE POLICE FUNDING BILL ON THE FIRST DAY OF A TRIAL ABOUT A POLICE BRUTALITY AND MURDER.

>> Mary: THE BILL HAS $20 MILLION SO OTHER COMMUNITIES CAN COME TO THE AID OF ANY CITY NEEDING ASSISTANCE INCLUDING MINNEAPOLIS.

>> WELL, HOW MANY CAR-JACKINGS HAVE THERE BEEN IN MINNEAPOLIS?

HOW MUCH IS THAT UP?

AND I'LL JUST GIVE THE ANSWER.

DEPENDING ON WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO, IT'S UP 300% TO UP TO OVER 500%.

>> THE ISSUE IS NOT CAR-JACKINGS.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S ANYWHERE IN THIS BILL.

AND YOU ALL HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT YOU WANT TO STICK TO THE BILL ITSELF.

BUT IT SEEMS AS IF IT'S APPROPRIATE, AT LEAST IT'S DEEMED APPROPRIATE TO GO OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDS OF THE BILL WHEN YOU WANT TO STAY ON MESSAGE ABOUT MINNEAPOLIS.

>> Mary: REPUBLICANS SAY GOVERNOR WALZ IS THE ONE WHO ASKED FOR THE FUNDS IN PREPARATION FOR THE TRIAL INSIDE THE HEAVILY GUARDED AND COVERED HENNEPIN COUNTY GOVERNMENT CENTER.

>> THE GOVERNOR BROUGHT FORWARD THIS WANT FOR THIS MONEY.

THIS BODY'S STEPPING UP AND SAYING, WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT.

WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT FROM ROSEAU COUNTY TO ROCK COUNTY, ALL OVER THE PLACE, ALL OVER THE WHOLE STATE, WE'RE WILLING TO PUT TAXPAYERS' DOLLARS OUT HERE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT IF THEY NEED IT.

IF THEY NEED IT.

>> WE ALL KNOW WHAT PRECIPITATED IT.

AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYONE IN THIS CHAMBER THAT AGREES OR CONDONES WHAT HAPPENED.

BUT THERE WERE MANY DIFFERENT DECISIONS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN MADE TO KEEP THE AFTERMATH FROM BEING WHAT IT WAS.

♪♪ >> CATHY: AS THE STATE LEGISLATURE GRAPPLES WITH CONTENTIOUS ISSUES THIS SESSION, ALL EYES WILL BE ON THE STATE SENATE.

IT'S THE ONLY PART OF MINNESOTA GOVERNMENT NOT CONTROLLED BY DEMOCRATS.

HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE DYNAMICS THIS SESSION, TWO FORMER STATE SENATORS.

AMY KOCH WAS A SENATE MAJORITY LEADER.

SHE IS A REPUBLICAN.

JEFF HAYDEN WAS A DEPUTY MAJORITY LEADER.

HE'S A DEMOCRAT.

SENATOR KOCH, LET'S GO BACK TO THAT PUBLIC SAFETY BILL, IF WE COULD.

AND I'M WONDERING.

THE DEMOCRATS HAVE THE MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE.

SO WHY THEN CAN'T THEY PASS THIS $35 MILLION FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY FUND?

WHAT'S GOING ON?

>> WELL, I THINK THAT YOU HEARD AND WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING CONCERN FROM LAWMAKERS, BY THE WAY, REPUBLICANS, YES, BUT ALSO DEMOCRATS, HOW THE SITUATION THIS PAST SUMMER IN THE WAKE OF THE DEATH OF GEORGE FLOYD, THE UNREST, THE RIOTING, THAT HAPPENED IN MINNEAPOLIS, HOW THAT WAS HANDLED ON A COUPLE DIFFERENT LEVELS, ON A CITY LEVEL, ON A STATE LEVEL.

AND I THINK THAT MANY ARE CONCERNED IN JUST HANDING OVER MONEY TO THE SAME FOLKS THAT -- THAT, YOU KNOW, CALLED THE SHOTS ON THOSE TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE NIGHTS.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GETTING.

YOU'RE GETTING QUESTIONS FROM FOLKS ACROSS THE STATE, AND AGAIN, ACROSS PARTY LINES, ON, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL VERY MUCH IN PEOPLE'S MINDS, HOW THAT WAS HANDLED, WHAT HAPPENED, THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE DESTROYED, THE COMMUNITIES THAT WERE DESTROYED, THE LIVES.

AND, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S JUST -- THERE'S A PUSH AND PULL- >> Eric: OKAY.

>> TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE BUT THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S USED WELL.

>> Eric: WHAT DO YOU THINK, SENATOR HAYDEN?

>> I THINK IT'S A LITTLE MORE LAYERED THAN THAT?

FIRST OF ALL, WHY DID IT HAPPEN?

IT HAPPENED BECAUSE WE ALL WATCHED DEREK CHAUVIN PUT HIS KNEE ON GEORGE FLOYD'S NECK FOR 8 MINUTES AND 46 SECONDS.

AND EVERYBODY TRIED TO DO THEIR BEST TO HANDLE IT.

IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YOU KNOW, DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY AS WE GIVE THE MONEY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO THE JOINT POWERS.

REPUBLICANS, ON THE OTHER HAND, CUT THE MONEY IN HALF AND THEN WANTED TO DELAY SOME OF THE REFORMS THAT WE GOT IN LAST YEAR.

SO I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF POLITICS IN BOTH, BUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE HAPPEN IS TO BE SURE IS THAT WHEN CITIES NEED HELP IN MINNESOTA THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET IT AND IF THEY GET IT THAT THOSE DEPARTMENTS WILL BE PAID FOR.

I'LL POINT OUT TO YOU IN THE SHOOTING, UNFORTUNATELY, IN BUFFALO, WHERE SENATOR KOCH REPRESENTED, THE MINNEAPOLIS BOMB SQUAD CAME DOWN THERE, BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF BOMBS THAT WERE SET OR THERE WERE REPORTED A LOT.

THEY CAME DOWN THERE WITHOUT HESITATION.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS DOES, AND THEN THAT'S WHAT MINNEAPOLIS WOULD HOPE WOULD DO IF THERE'S CIVIL UNREST OR A PROBLEM IN MINNEAPOLIS.

>> Eric: SENATOR KOCH, THE TIMING OF THE GOVERNOR TURNING THE DIAL BACK A LITTLE BIT, EASING RESTRICTIONS, COULD THAT BE SEEN AS ANY KIND OF A OLIVE BRANCH TO THE REPUBLICANS ON THE EVE HERE OF BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS?

>> I THINK THE GOVERNOR IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO GET PRESSURE.

AS THE CASES DROP.

AND THANKFULLY THE DEATHS ARE, YOU KNOW, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH LOWER.

AND AS OTHER STATES OPEN UP, WE'VE BEEN SEEING FROM TEXAS TO NEW YORK, ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

STATES ARE OPENING UP.

AND THE GOVERNOR'S I THINK FEELING THAT PRESSURE.

THAT'S WHERE THAT COMES FROM.

>> Cathy: SENATOR MENTAL HAYDENN MONDAY, EVIDENTLY, THE GOVERNOR IS GOING TO ASK -- WILL EXTEND HIS PEACETIME EMERGENCY POWERS?

IS THAT REALLY NEEDED AT THIS POINT GIVEN WHAT WE SEE HERE WITH MORE VACCINATIONS AND DROPPING RATES OF COVID INFECTIONS AND HOSPITALIZATIONS AND DEATHS?

>> WELL, I JUST THINK THAT THE GOVERNOR WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN.

THERE ARE MORE THAN JUST HIM BEING ABLE TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT TO DO.

THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS TIED TO BEING IN THE PEACETIME EMERGENCY.

AND SO THE GOVERNOR IS JUST CONTINUING TO SAY, HERE'S THE THINGS THAT HE WANTS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT MINNESOTANS HAVE.

THEY'RE GOING ABOUT THEIR BUSINESS.

THE MONEY COMES COMING FROM WASHINGTON, DEPENDING UPON THE SITUATION, IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH A LEGISLATIVE PROCESS BEFORE IT'S EXPENDED, WITH EXCEPTION THAT THOSE THAT GO DIRECTLY TO CITIES BASED ON THE FORMULA THE FOLKS IN WASHINGTON HAVE.

SO I THINK THE GOVERNOR IS REALLY TRYING TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR MINNESOTANS.

THE REASON WHY WE CAN OPEN UP IS BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT THE GOVERNOR AND HIS STAFF AND HE'S FOLLOWED THE SCIENCE, AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE IN A MUCH BETTER POSITION AND WE LOST SO MANY LESS LIVES THAN STATES AROUND US PER CAPITA.

>> Cathy: SENATOR KOCH, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

IS IT THE EXTENSION OF THE PEACETIME EMERGENCY REALLY NEEDED RIGHT NOW?

>> I REALLY THINK IT IS TIME TO LET IT GO.

THE FEDERAL MONEY, A LOT OF IT HAS BEEN SPENT PURELY WITH THE GOVERNOR'S PURVIEW, AND THAT COULD CONTINUE TO BE THE FACT.

I WOULD, IF I WERE THE GOVERNOR, I'D WANT THE LEGISLATIVE BUY-IN ON THIS.

THERE WAS THIS MOMENT IN TIME WHERE WE ALL FROZE AND IT REALLY WAS UP TO THE GOVERNOR.

BUT WE'RE PAST THAT NOW.

WE'RE MOVING INTO RECOVERY.

WE'RE MOVING INTO GOOD THINGS.

AND ACTUALLY, IT HAS TO BE NOT JUST RECOVER TO WHERE WE WERE, BUT I THINK WE CAN BE BETTER.

I THINK THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS CAN BE BETTER.

I THINK THE STATE OF MINNESOTA CAN BE BETTER.

AND WHAT I WOULD WANT AS GOVERNOR IS TO HAVE BUY-IN FROM THE LEGISLATURE.

SO I THINK THAT AN OLIVE BRANCH TO THE LEGISLATURE WOULD BE SAYING, ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO SET THIS ASIDE, BUT I NEED YOU TO WORK SIDE BY SIDE BY ME.

WE'RE GOING TO ALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HOW MINNESOTA COMES OUT OF THAT.

I THINK THAT WOULD THE STRONGEST MESSAGE.

>> Eric: SENATOR HAYDEN, I GOT A CHANCE TO ASK SENATOR YSAYE A COUPLE QUESTIONS TODAY.

HE SAID WITH ALL THE FEDERAL MONEY COMING IN AND THE BETTER FORECAST, TAX INCREASES SHOULD BE OFF THE TABLE.

BUT DEMOCRATS ARE ARGUING THAT'S ONE-TIME MONEY AND THE UNMET NEEDS NEED TAX INCREASES TO PAY FOR THEM ONGOING?

IS THAT THE COMEBACK THERE?

>> THE FEDERAL MONEY'S COMING.

I WAS TALKING TO FOLKS TODAY.

THEY DON'T HAVE A RUN.

THEY DON'T HAVE GUIDANCE.

SO WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT MONEY'S GOING TO GO.

AND SO EVERYTHING SHOULD STILL BE ON THE TABLE FOR THE LEGISLATURE.

UNTIL WE UNDERSTAND WHERE THE FEDERAL MONEY GOES.

IT MAY BE REALLY SPECIFIC IN PLACES THAT THEY WANT TO GO THAT -- I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS GOES THROUGH.

IT'S GOING TO BE LAYERED, BUT ONCE AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW.

I THINK THERE'S A REAL ASSUMPTION THAT THE MONEY WILL COME AND THE STATE WILL SPEND IT WHERE IT WANTS.

THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME REAL STRICT GUIDANCE.

>> Eric: SENATOR KOCH, A QUESTION FOR YOU AS A FORMER LEADER, OKAY, A CAUCUS LEADER.

WHEN YOU GO INTO THOSE CLOSED CAUCUS MEETINGS AND THE REPORTERS DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THERE, HOW IS POLICY DRIVEN AND HOW MUCH OF THE DISCUSSION IS POLITICALLY ORIENTED?

>> IT'S ABOUT 50/50, VERY HONESTLY.

OF COURSE POLITICS PLAYS A ROLE.

BUT I THINK THE HARDEST ARGUMENT AND THE HARDEST MEETINGS THAT I HAD WERE ALL POLICY DRIVEN, WHERE FOLKS THAT USED THINK WOULD AGREE, YOU'D THINK WOULD AGREE ON MOST THINGS, DON'T AGREE AS WELL.

SO AS THOSE LEADERS GO INTO THEIR CAUCUSES, SOMETIMES THE TOUGHEST PEOPLE TO GET AGREEMENT WITH IS YOUR OWN CAUCUS.

>> Cathy: I SAW SENATOR HAYDEN ALSO SMILING DURING THAT QUESTION.

WOULD YOU AGREE WITH SENATOR KOCH?

>> YEAH, I WOULD AGREE.

I'VE BEEN IN MANY, MANY OF THOSE ROOMS WITH FOLKS AND, YOU KNOW, THE POLITICS IS WHAT IT IS, AND YOU CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.

BUT THE POLICY, PEOPLE COME AT THIS AT A MUCH DIFFERENT WAY DEPENDING UPON WHO THEY ARE, WHAT PART OF THE STATE THEY COME FROM, AND WHAT THEIR EXPOSURE IS.

AND SO I HAD TO LEARN AND UNDERSTAND WHAT GREATER MINNESOTA, RURAL MINNESOTA WAS LIKE, BECAUSE I WAS IN THE URBAN AREA AND HOPEFULLY I BROUGHT THAT PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT IT IS TO LIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS TO THEM AND THEN WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT.

BUT WE ALL COME WITH JUST A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENT SENSE OF AND AS LEADER KOCH SAID, IT SOMETIMES CAN GET REALLY TOUGH IF WE'RE DUG IN.

>> Cathy: QUICK QUESTION HERE TO SENATOR KOCH.

I SEE THAT DR. SCOTT JENSEN, FORMER STATE SENATOR IS GOING TO BE RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> FIRST ONE IN.

I THINK THERE WILL BE CERTAINLY MORE.

IT'S -- SEVERAL MORE.

IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE EARLY I THOUGHT.

BUT THERE'S MONEY TO BE RAISED AND THERE'S DELEGATES TO BE COUNTED, SO HE'S JUMPING IN, HE'S THE FIRST BUT HE WILL NOT BE THE LAST AND I THINK WE'LL HAVE A FIELD OF GOOD CANDIDATES TO CHOOSE FROM.

>> Eric: GREAT INSIGHT FROM YOU FOLKS TONIGHT.

THANKS SO MUCH.

♪♪ >> ERIC: LET'S MATCH YOUR WITS AGAINST OUR HISTORY QUIZ.

HERE'S OUR QUESTION FROM LAST TIME.

THE MYSTERY MINNESOTAN WE SOUGHT WAS BORN ON THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF OUR STATE AND MADE THEIR NAME IN NATIONAL POLITICS IN THE LAST CENTURY BECOMING AN INFLUENTIAL PLAYER IN WASHINGTON.

WALTER MONDALE WAS QUOTED SAYING THIS PERSON WAS "SCRUPULOUSLY FAIR WITH FEDERAL FUNDS" WITH ONE HALF FOR THEIR STATE AND ONE HALF FOR THE REST OF THE COUNTRY.

THAT'S A GOOD QUOTE.

FROM FRITZ.

WHO IS THIS MYSTERY POLITICIAN?

AS ALWAYS, WE START WITH THE UNLUCKY AND THE UNFAZED.

>> ERIC: SEVERAL OF THOSE GUESSES WERE BORN NEAR MINNESOTA'S WESTERN BORDER, BUT THAT DIDN'T MAKE THEM RIGHT.

VIEWER DAVID FROM DARWIN KNEW THE ANSWER AND WAS THE ONLY ONE TO CALL IN WITH A CORRECT GUESS.

DAVID, YOU HAVE OUR FULL ATTENTION.

>> ERIC: YES, FORMER WASHINGTON STATE U.S.

SENATOR WARREN MAGNUSON, WHO SERVED FROM WORLD WAR II UNTIL THE EARLY '80S, WAS WHO WE SOUGHT.

"MAGGIE" -- AND THAT WAS TRULY HIS NICKNAME -- WAS BORN IN MOORHEAD, MINNESOTA, AND GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL THERE.

MAGNUSON WAS ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL SENATORS OF HIS GENERATION, REMEMBERED TODAY FOR HIS ROLE IN ENVIRONMENTAL LAW, CONSUMER PROTECTION, AND CIVIL RIGHTS.

HE ALSO WAS A KEY SUPPORTER OF THE PUBLIC BROADCASTING ACT OF 1967.

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ONE YEAR AGO THIS WEEK, THE PANDEMIC SHUTDOWN BEGAN.

WE ENDED OUR SHOW LAST MARCH WITH A TUNE BY TRIP SHAKESPEARE.

THE GROUP PLAYED IN THE TPT STUDIOS THIS WEEK IN 1992.

WE END THE SHOW AGAIN WITH TRIP SHAKESPEARE, DAN WILSON AND THE GANG.

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