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>> Reporter: I ALSO THINK THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SHOWING UP TO CAMPAIGN FOR HIM.

I MEAN CERTAINLY, I THINK EARLY AUGUST THERE WAS A LOT OF FREAKING OUT TO USE THE SCIENTIFIC TERM OF DEMOCRATS IN THIS STATE I THINK THEY HAVE REALLY SHOWN A LOT OF THE CONCERN ESPECIALLY THAT ADVOCATES HAD ABOUT THEM NOT HAVING A GROUND GAME HAVE SORTED ANSWERED.

HE IS OUT THERE MAKING WAVES.

PRESIDENT BIDEN WILL BE IN TOWN ON MONDAY WITH HIM.

I THINK THERE IS A REAL SENSE OF COALESCING BY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND ANY WEAKNESS FOLKS WORK SMELLING A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO ISN'T THERE.

HE IS TURNING THE COVID ARGUMENT ON HIS SAID.

REPUBLICANS HOPE TO USE THE REPUBLICAN -- HE IS DIGGING ON THAT MESSAGE AND SAYING I MADE THE RIGHT CALL AND KAMALA HARRIS IS BACKING THAT UP.

>> IF HE WINS HERE THEN NATIONALLY THAT COULD BE A MESSAGE THAT GOES OUT?

>> I THINK SO, WE SAW WITH THE PRESIDENT SAID THIS WEEK ABOUT LYING DOWN LAYING DOWN THE LAWN VACCINES.

I FEEL DEMOCRATS FEEL THE SILENT MAJORITY IS WITH THEM, THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE WHERE THEY WANT TO SHOW WEAKNESS OR BACK DOWN ON.

AT THE END OF THE DAY IT IS NOT GOOD FOR ANYONE RUNNING IN 2022 ARE BEYOND.

>> SCOTT NEWSOM IS TAKING A STRONG PITCH TO LATINOS.

I WANT TO TAKE A LISTEN TO WHAT HE SAID ON THE TRAIL.

>> NO COMMUNITY CAN BE MORE DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTED THAN THE LATINO COMMUNITY.

THE POWER HE HAS DAY ONE TO ELIMINATE THOSE PROTECTIONS WITH AN EXECUTIVE ORDER IS PROFOUND.

I HOPE THE COMMUNITY WOULD ACCEPT TO THAT SIMPLE CHOICE BECAUSE THAT IS A CHOICE YOU WILL MAKE.

>> CAN YOU TELL US MORE ABOUT WHO HE IS REACHING OUT TO NY?

>> LATINOS ARE ABOUT 27% OF THE ELECTORATE.

THEY TEND TO BE DEMOCRATS BY AND LARGE.

THE ISSUE IS WILL THEY VOTE?

YOU SAW HIM THERE SPEAKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IT WAS AT A PHONE BANK, THERE WERE PEOPLE CALLING SPANISH-SPEAKING VOTERS AND ENCOURAGING THEM TO VOTE.

THE MESSAGES REALLY AS HE SAID LATINOS AND AFRICAN-AMERICANS HAVE BEEN DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTED BY COVID ALREADY IN TERMS OF UNEMPLOYMENT, HEALTH, VACCINE ACCESS AND ALL THOSE THINGS.

WHEN YOU HAVE A GOVERNOR WHO IS HELPED THE STATE TURN THE CORNER THE ALTERNATIVE IS LARRY ELDER, WHO IS PROMISING TO REMOVE MANDATES THE FIRST DAY HE IS IN OFFICE.

I THINK LATINOS ARE LISTENING TO THAT MESSAGE AS WELL IS THE MESSAGE THAT CAME EARLIER IN THE CAMPAIGN WHICH IS HE WAS BEHIND THE RECALL?

IT WAS ALL ABOUT IMMIGRATION, CRIME, AND SORT OF TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WERE HERE ILLEGALLY, THE DEATH PENALTY, AND VERY CLOSE TO TRUMP AND TRUMP SUPPORTERS.

THOSE TWO MESSAGES DON'T GO BACKWARDS WITH COVID, LET'S NOT LOSE THE PROGRESS WE HAVE MADE.

I THINK THOSE ISSUES ARE RESONATING WITH LATINOS AND WE ARE SEEING THOSE IN THE POLLS, ABOUT 2:1 LATINOS ARE OPPOSING THE RECALL.

>> I WANT TO DIG INTO SOME OF THE CHALLENGERS TO GAVIN NEWSOM, WITH THE EXCEPTION PERHAPS OF GARY ELDER -- LARRY ELDER CONSERVATIVE TALK SHOW HOST.

HE CALLS HIMSELF THE SAGE OF SOUTH-CENTRAL.

MARISSA WE HAVE ONE OF HIS CAMPAIGN ADS, LET'S ROLL THAT.

>> RECALLING GAVIN NEWSOM IS PERSONAL TO ME.

I VISITED SCHOOLS THE QUALITY OF WHICH ALLOWED ME TO GO FROM SOUTH-CENTRAL TO THE IVY LEAGUE .

THAT ROUTE IS NOW FORECLOSED BECAUSE THE QUALITY OF SCHOOLS HAS DECLINED.

I FAVOR SCHOOL CHOICE, HE DOESN'T.

I FAVOR GIVING PARENTS AN OPTION OUT, HE DOESN'T.

I AM LARRY ELDER AND THIS IS A FIGHT FOR THE SOUL OF CALIFORNIA.

>> LARRY ELDER IS OBVIOUSLY VERY WELL SPOKEN AND HE IS THE FRONT RUNNER.

HE IS LEADING THE PACK BY A LARGE MARGIN.

CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE MORE ABOUT HIM AND IF THERE IS ANYTHING SPECIFIC TO THE SCHOOL CHOICE ISSUE THAT COMES UP OVER AND OVER AGAIN?

>> I FIND IT FUNNY BECAUSE GAVIN NEWSOM ONE THAT AGAINST A DEMOCRAT.

SHE IS TOO MUCH IN THE POCKET OF TEACHERS UNIONS WE NEED SCHOOL CHOICE AND MORE OPTIONS.

I THINK LARRY ELDER IS A TALKSHOW HOST, HE HAS MADE A NAME OF HER 2 1/2 DECADES SAYING OUTRAGEOUS THINGS.

I THINK THAT IS A LOT OF WHAT HIS BASE LIKES ABOUT HIM.

THERE ARE SIMILARITIES TO TRUMP IN THE WAY HE SPEAKS, THE THINGS HE TALKS ABOUT, THE WAY I THINK HE IS EXCITED TO SAY THINGS HE KNOWS ARE UNEXPECTED ESPECIALLY FROM A LACK MAN IN THIS STATE.

I THINK WHAT YOU ARE SEEING IS THE SAME THING SOMEONE LIKE JOHN COX HE WAS RUNNING AGAIN BUT RAN IN 2018 AGAINSTGAVIN NEWSOM IS THERE IS A UPPER LIMIT OF THAT SUPPORT IN A STATE LIKE CALIFORNIA WHERE THERE ARE ALMOST TWICE THE NUMBER OF DEMOCRATS TO REPUBLICANS.

HE WAS REALLY A GIFT TO THE NEWSOM CAMPAIGN BECAUSE YOU HAD A HUMDRUM SET OF CANDIDATES AND NOBODY WAS PAYING MUCH ATTENTION AND EVERYONE WAS FOCUSED ON GARY NEWSOM.

YOU START LOOKING UP THINGS LARRY ELDER HAS SAID ZERO DOLLAR MINIMUM WAGE, THE FACT THAT WOMEN SHOULDN'T HAVE PROTECTION IF THEY HAVE FAMILIES.

THAT SPEAKS TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA WHO MIGHT LIKE GAVIN NEWSOM BUT DON'T THINK LARRY ELDER SHOULD BE IN THE GOVERNOR'S CHAIR.

>> LET'S GO TO ANOTHER CANDIDATE WHO IS MAKING SOME NOISE AS THE RUNNER-UP TO LARRY ELDER RIGHT NOW.

SECOND IN THE RECALL ELECTION ON THE OPPONENTS SIDE.

KEVIN -- HE IS THE ONLY DEMOCRAT THAT IS RUNNING AS OF NOTE AT THIS POINT.

AND WE HAVE A LITTLE CLIP FROM HIM AS WELL AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK.

>> OF CALIFORNIA HAS A STRONG LEADER WHO CLEANED UP THE PROBLEM IN OUR STATE AND STOPPED WASTING MONEY WE COULD HAVE NO INCOME TAX FOR ANY INCOME EARNED UNDER $250,000, AND FINALLY MAKE CALIFORNIA COMPETITIVE AGAIN.

>> A LOVELY SMILE.

SCOTT, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF KEVIN PATTER AT AND HIS PITCH TO VOTERS?

>> HE IS THE ONLY DEMOCRAT RELEASING VOTE YES ON THE RECALL.

HE WANTS TO GET RID OF GAVIN NEWSOM.

HE CALLS HIMSELF A JFK STYLE DEMOCRAT WHICH I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANS IN 2021.

HE SAID HE IS 49% REPUBLICAN AND 51% DEMOCRAT, HE IS FAIRLY CONSERVATIVE.

IF YOU LISTEN TO HIS RHETORIC IS NOT THAT DIFFERENT IN SOME WAYS FROM SOME OF THE OTHER REPUBLICANS RUNNING.

HE HAS A HUGE FOLLOWING ON HIS YOUTUBE CHANNEL.

HE HAS BEEN GIVING OUT ADVICE ON REAL ESTATE AND INVESTING FOR A LONG TIME.

HE HAS NOT BEEN GETTING A LOT OF ATTENTION SO HE HAS BEEN TELLING THE GOVERNOR AND SHOWING UP AND DOING INTERVIEWS IN A GUERRILLA CAMPAIGN SORT OF.

IT HAS WORKED FOR HIM.

IF YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT AS SORT OF A PLAN B TO MAKE SURE THERE IS NOT A REPUBLICAN REPLACING GAVIN NEWSOM IF THE RECALL WERE TO PASS, THEN HE WOULD BE THE ONE TO VOTE FOR.

BUT HIS PERFORMANCE IN THE DEBATE WAS A LITTLE OUT THERE.

HE TALKED ABOUT BUILDING A PIPELINE FROM THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER, RENTING LAND THROUGH TEXAS -- >> A LOT OF BIG IDEAS OUT THERE.

WE MAY SEE THEM COMING BACK, RESET IN THE LAST FEW SECONDS WE HAVE HERE CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS FOR THIS RACE?

>> ABSOLUTELY, IF GAVIN NEWSOM LOOK LIKE HE WAS LOSING DEMOCRATS WOULD BE FREAKING OUT.

I THINK THEY WILL TAKE SOME OF THE ISSUES WE TALKED ABOUT INCLUDING COVID-19 AND RUN THOSE TO THE 2022 MIDTERMS.

DOES HE LOOK WEAK?

IS THERE A CHALLENGE FROM THE LEFT IN NEXT YEAR'S 2022 GOVERNOR'S RACE?

>> WELL MARIE SALADO SENT SCOTT SHAFER THE TWO MEMBERS OF THE POLITICAL TEAM YOU CAN HEAR MORE FROM THEM ON THEIR PODCAST.

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TONIGHT'S PIECE IN KEEPING WITH THE RECALL THEME IS A LOOK AT THE BEAUTY OF DEMOCRACY IN ACTION.

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