>> Eric: WHILE THE TOP JOB IN THE U.S.

ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS A POLITICAL APPOINTMENT, THE ASSISTANTS THAT DO THE LEGAL WORK ARE OFTEN CAREERISTS SO THE RESIGNATION OF SIX ASSISTANT U.S.

ATTORNEYS EARLIER THIS WEEK IS RARE.

TOM HEFFELFINGER HELD THE TOP SPOT AS MINNESOTA'S U.S.

ATTORNEY ON TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS DURING REPUBLICAN PRESIDENCIES.

WELCOME BACK.

WILL WE GET WORD FROM THE MAJOR NEWS NETWORKS THAT THE DOJ HAS STARTED A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION INTO MAYOR FREY AND GOVERNOR WALZ.

AND FOR IMPEDING LAW ENFORCEMENT'S EFFORTS DURING THE SURGE.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS?

>> FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHICH U.S.

ATTORNEY IS DOING IT.

AND YOU'D KNOW THAT BY SEEING THE LETTER OR THE SUBPOENA.

IF IT'S THE U.S.

ATTORNEY FROM MINNESOTA, Mr.

ROSEN, THEN HE WOULD HAVE BEEN MAKING THAT DECISION TO DO THAT.

HOWEVER, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG DECISION TO GO AFTER THE PRESIDENT, SO HE ALMOST CERTAINLY GOT TO THAT DIRECTION FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OR FROM THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF.

AND I WANT TO SEE THOSE THINGS.

>> Cathy: AND THE WALZ ADMINISTRATION, WE SHOULD SAY THE WALZ ADMINISTRATION HAVE SAID THEY HAVE NOT SEEN ANY SUBPOENA AT THIS POINT.

>> THAT MEANS THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEING SHARED WITH OTHER MEDIA OUTLETS WAS LEAKED AND IT'S A CRIME.

>> Cathy: ALL RIGHT.

THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A CHANGING SITUATION AND WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU HOUGHT WHEN YOU FIRST HEARD OF THOSE SIX VERY WELL KNOWN, TALENTED ATTORNEYS IN THE U.S.

ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WHEN THEY ALL DECIDED TO LEAVE EN MASS.

>> CLEARLY THE GROUP FOUND A RED LINE THEY WOULDN'T CROSS.

THEY WERE BEING ASKED TO DO SOMETHING THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO.

BECAUSE THOSE WERE ALL AND STILL ARE ALL OUTSTANDING LAWYERS, THEY ARE OUTSTANDING PROSECUTORS, AND WHAT THEY WERE DOING FOR THE STATE OF MINNESOTA WAS A REAL GIFT.

MY FIRST REACTION WAS WHAT A LOSS, WHAT A LOSS TO LOSE SIX EXPERIENCED PROSECUTORS.

WHEN WE NEED EVERY -- BECAUSE ANY ONE OF THEM OR ALL OF THEM TOGETHER COULD HAVE -- ON THE SHOOTING, FOR EXAMPLE.

AND NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY TO DO THAT.

>> Cathy: WE SHOULD SAY -- >> FROM THE U.S.

ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

>> Cathy: YES.

WE SHOULD SAY THAT THERE'S JOE THOMPSON WHO WAS THE HEAD OF THE, YOU KNOW, HE -- IN MINNESOTA.

ANOTHER ATTORNEY WAS HEADING UP THE VANCE BELTER CASE, ALLEGED ASSASSIN OF SPEAKER HORTMAN.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE HIGH PROFILE PROSECUTIONS IF YOU LOSE TALENT LIKE THAT?

>> WELL, I'M GOING TO BE AN OPTIMIST HERE.

ASSISTANT U.S.

ATTORNEYS GENERALLY REALLY WANT THOSE JOBS.

AND WHEN YOU GET A CADRE OF ASSISTANT U.S.

ATTORNEYS THEY'RE ALL PRETTY DARN GOOD.

AND SO I'M GOING TO BE AN OPTIMIST AND SAY THAT WE LOSE SIX, WE'LL REPLACE THEM WITH SIX OTHERS.

IT'S NOT QUITE THAT SIMPLE BECAUSE IT TAKES LOT OF WORK TO DEVELOP THE SKILLS TO INVESTIGATE A MURDER CASE, FOR EXAMPLE.

OR A SIGNIFICANT INTERNATIONAL FRAUD.

AND SO, YES, WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE THAT CAN DO IT, BUT THEY MAY NOT BE UP TO SPEED S THE PEOPLE THAT JUST LEFT.

>> Eric: WHAT WAS YOUR EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH I.C.E.

DURING YOUR TERMS IN OFFICE?

>> VERY LITTLE.

WE DIDN'T DO MUCH VER -- AND -- THAT'S NOT TRUE.

WE HAD A LOT OF WORK ON THE CANADIAN BORDER.

I DID A LOT OF FLYING OVER THE CANADIAN BORDER WITH MINNESOTA AND THE LIKE.

IT WAS REALLY A GREAT RELATIONSHIP.

GREAT RELATIONSHIP.

>> Cathy: I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE SIX THAT HAVE LEFT.

NOW THAT THEY'RE GONE I'M WONDERING ABOUT MORALE IN THE OFFICE.

WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THAT REALLY SHAKES THE OFFICE UP AND I WONDER HOW YOU REPAIR MAYBE OME WORRIED INDIVIDUALS AND WHAT THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT.

>> THAT'S REALLY DIFFICULT.

BECAUSE THERE IS A BRUISE ON MORALE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY ASKING THEMSELVES, SHOULD I LEAVE, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO ME?

AND IT MAY EXPLAIN WHY A COUPLE PHONE CALLS I'VE MADE OVER THERE CASE RELATED I CAN'T GET ANSWERED.

BUT IT REALLY DOES HURT THE MORALE OF THE U.S.

ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

>> Eric: THE METRO SURGE END, WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT IS -- I.C.E.

IS GOING TO REMAIN IN MINNESOTA, -- 49 STATES WITH I.C.E.

-- THAT'S -- NEVER HAPPENED -- >> THERE WON'T BE 49 -- THERE WON'T BE 4,000 I.C.E.

AGENTS -- AROUND MINNESOTA BUT THERE WILL BE I.C.E.

AGENTS DOING THE WORK.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS IT WILL JUSTING FEWER.

>> Cathy: CAN YOU HELP US OUT, I BELIEVE IT WAS PAM BONDI -- OR MAYBE -- THERE'S SO MANY NAMES ND PLACES AND PEOPLE THAT HAVE BUBBLED UP IN THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.

I THINK IT WAS DHS SECRETARY KRISTI NOEM WHO SAID THAT -- IT WAS PAM BONDI WHO SAID THAT THERE WAS NO BASIS FOR A -- RIGHTS CASE.

>> THAT WAS DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL.

>> Cathy: AS YOU SAY, IT'S HARD TO KNOW -- KIND OF A MOVING TARGET HERE.

IS THAT TRUE WHEN IT COMES TO THE AGENT ROSS CASE AND RENEE GOOD?

COULD RENEE GOOD'S FAMILY GO FOR A CIVIL RIGHTS CASE?

>> YES, BUT THE -- MAKES A STATEMENT, I ASK MY QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU KNOW?

THERE'S NO INVESTIGATION BEEN COMPLETED.

NEITHER BY THE STATE OF MINNESOTA OR BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

AND WHEN HE'S MAKING A STATEMENT THAT THERE'S NO BASIS FOR A CASE, HOW DO YOU KNOW?

YOU NEVER MAKE A DECISION LIKE THAT UNTIL THE INVESTIGATION IS COMPLETE, AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE THAT STATEMENT.

>> Cathy: HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ANYTHING QUITE LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?

>> NO.

I'VE NEVER SEEN SO MANY PEOPLE GIVING OPINIONS ABOUT WHAT A GOOD INVESTIGATION WOULD REVEAL WHEN THERE'S BEEN NO GOOD INVESTIGATION.

>> Eric: INSURRECTION ACT IN THE -- THE PRESIDENT SAID NOT NOW BUT I GOT IT IF I NEED IT.

>> AND HE PROBABLY IS RIGHT, HE PROBABLY HAS THE RIGHT TO DO THAT, THE ABILITY TO DO IT.

IT WOULD REALLY HURT ALL OF US.

IT WILL HURT MINNESOTA, AS IF WE HAVEN'T BEEN HURT ENOUGH.

>> Eric: APPRECIATE YOU COMING OVER.

GOOD