>> Hundreds >> of Texas National Guard members deployed to Illinois are reportedly being sent home.

The move is set to be part of a broader change to deployments after President Donald Trump began his crackdown in Democratic lead cities like Chicago.

>> This withdrawal represents.

And unconditional surrender by the Trump administration.

But more than that, it represents a massive waste of taxpayer dollars.

>> Meanwhile, the Trump administration awaits a Supreme Court ruling on whether he even has the authority to deploy the National Guard for the purpose of enforcing civil immigration laws and law enforcement.

Joining us via zoom are retired Major General William Enyart, former pageant general of the Illinois National Guard.

He's also a former congressman from Illinois and an attorney and retired major general Randy manner who served as the acting vice chief of the National Guard Bureau.

Generals.

Gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us.

So first, I want to get your reaction to the Trump administration's push to deploy the National Guard.

Not just a Chicago.

We know it's been happening in other cities as well to combat crime and what he's calling mob violence against immigration agents.

A major general.

And welcome to you first for that question.

Please.

>> Well, you know, I think the federal district courts both in Oregon and Illinois have made it pretty clear that President Trump as a vastly overstated that any problems that have been taking Yeah, in Portland and or in Chicago it's been a vast overreach on the part of the federal government to send a 2 mobile.

Its National Guard troops bring him in from out of state against the express wishes of both the governors and the local executive authorities, whether be in their county executive.

>> General Manners in question to you.

everyone has to understand is totally Un-American to use soldiers against our own citizens.

>> This is not with those young men and women signed up for.

There's no requirement for this.

There is no money for this allocated by Congress.

These are men and women are not trained in police operations.

And it also reduces the readiness of those young soldiers to be able to combat are true enemies for overseas and it drives a wedge between the American people and our military, which we have worked very long and hard, obviously after 9.11 to restore that faith.

Great.

And I think it also puts these young men and women at significant risk.

We're the rules of use of force are not well defined and that young man or woman on the street that young soldier could be making the best decision.

think in the moment.

But yet it's not the right want.

So again, bottom line is totally Un-American.

Totally inappropriate.

>> General endured what conditions would you think would or might merit deployment of National Guard?

>> We know that's pretty clear.

We've doing deployments of the National Guard for.

Centuries, frankly, in the protocols.

Ford are very well established.

You know, when Danny, the initial decision is made by the local executive, the mayor and the mayor after all is on site.

He knows or she knows what the nature his or her resources might be solar.

She also would what the nature of the problem And one says local resources are overwhelmed.

Then the mayor goes to the governor says, governor, I need help.

And the governor looks at the governor's resources, the state resources, whether it might be Illinois State police, conservation officers calling additional law, local law enforcement from surrounding counties.

All of those are options available to the governor.

And the last option, frankly, as the National Guard and the National Guard can be brought in a civil disturbance reaches, the extent that it is no longer capable of being controlled by local authorities.

But it is not the president's job to do this.

After all, the local authorities are the ones who are in charge of that community and they they not perform to the expectations of the voters.

You can rely on the getting rid of them next time they're there's in all.

>> So general man or a border Patrol tree Chief Gregory Bovino.

He is now we know on his way to Charlotte for similar a similar mission.

He's bragged on social media without citing any sources that crime in Chicago is way down since Border Patrol's arrival.

Despite violent crime having been on a downward trend since 2022.

So assuming that federal agents, you know, their presence did contribute to a drop in crime is not a long-term solution to crime fighting.

course, not.

>> And that also assumes that what he said was the truth.

And we already know the administration has been misrepresenting facts are making up own facts about the crime figures in every city.

All of us are against crime and obviously would like to have people persecuted prosecuted to the full extent of the law, respecting their rights under the law.

the same time, the military is not the method to be used for law enforcement.

I say they are not trained for this.

And so we don't want to put those young men and women, quite frankly in the situation.

They're not trained for.

And it's also important to understand that the concept of what ICE and Border Patrol doing they've been having unaccounted for, use of force.

It's only through citizens taking videos of the gross miss.

He's in many cases that have been happening that we need bring this to light, hold them accountable and ensure that we prosecute the individuals and those federal authorities and just hold them accountable to the law as well.

>> General and European people probably remember of the National Guard's presence here in Chicago back in 2020 during the summer of unrest.

How's that situation different from the moment we're in right now.

>> Well, it's it's much different because the local authorities requested that the National Guard commit and the National Guard really weren't doing police work.

They were doing investigations.

They were They were doing vehicle stops.

They were essentially backing up the local police forces controlling crowds in and that sort of thing.

But they certainly were investigating crime, nor were they conducting any kind on immigrants, whether documented or undocumented.

vastly different situation there.

They were requested.

They forced upon them by Washington, D.C.

>> And general manner.

You recently spoke to a room full of police chiefs from across the country at Georgetown Law School about how to prepare for how to work with the National Guard.

Should they be deployed and to their jurisdiction?

What would coordination look like between police officers and the guard?

>> It's extremely important that there be proactive coordination between the guard and local police and state police and vice versa.

I encourage those police chief to be able to reach out to their guard.

Representatives and to ensure that there are these aren't in place now so that they can have police officers participate in the emergency operation centers at the state as well as of course, to encourage a guard representative to participate in their towns or cities.

Emergency operation center for the police department as well.

You have to develop the relationships in advance of their truly being a crisis because the guard is there to help save lives of the American people not to watch over them, not to intimidate them and they are partner with the police to back them up whenever needed, particularly whenever there are.

storm hurricane forest fires or something of calamity that might require local forces to be augmented to help either establish or restore order and to help save lives.

>> That's where we'll have to leave My thanks to generals