FOX NEWS SPILLS ITS SECRETS.

THE SUPREME COURT CASE THAT COULD CHANGE THE INTERNET.

AND NEW RULES FOR THE FIELD OF DREAMS STAY TUNED, IVORY TOWER IS NEXT.

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO IVORY TOWER.

I'M DAVID CHANATRY, FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

I'M JOINED AROUND THE TABLE TONIGHT BY TARA ROSS FROM ONONDAGA COMMUNITY COLLEGE, BEN BAUGHMAN FROM GANNON UNIVERSITY, AND LUKE PERRY •.AND RICK FENNER FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

SEVEN YEARS AGO, ON MY FIRST APPEARANCE ON IVORY TOWER, THE HOST DAVID RUBIN ASKED ME IF FOX NEWS WOULD SURVIVE LOSING ITS PRESIDENT, ROGER AILES.

THE ANSWER WAS YES, AND OBVIOUSLY, IT HAS.

FOX IS THE DOMINANT CABLE NEWS NETWORK FAR OUTPACING ITS RIVALS.

BUT IT'S FAIR TO ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN, AFTER RECENT REVELATIONS ABOUT WHAT MANY OF ITS HOSTS AND EXECUTIVES WERE SAYING PRIVATELY ABOUT CLAIMS OF ELECTION FRAUD.

WHILE FOX WAS REPEATEDLY PUTTING TRUMP SUPPORTERS MAKING WILD CLAIMS ON THE AIR, TEXTS AND EMAILS SHOW FOX LEADERS KNEW THE CLAIMS WERE FALSE.

RICK, CAN FOX VIEWERS TRUST FOX?

>> WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, DAVE, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE WATCH THE NEWS TO GET INFORMATION ANYMORE.

IN PSYCHOLOGY AND ECONOMICS, WE REFER TO SOMETHING CALLED CONFIRMATION BIAS THAT SAYS PEOPLE TEND TO WATCH AND LISTEN TO THINGS THAT SUPPORT THEIR PRECONCEIVED VIEWS.

AND I THINK THE FOLKS AT FOX NEWS SAW THIS AND RAN WITH THIS.

SO WHAT THEY BASICALLY DID IS, THEY GAVE THE CUSTOMERS WHAT THEY WANTED TO HEAR.

THE QUESTION WILL BE NOW IS THAT ENOUGH TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE FOR DOMINION THAT THEY HAVE A CASE AGAINST FOX NEWS.

I THINK THE RECENT CASE WITH ALEX JONES AND THE SUIT OVER HIS COMMENTS ABOUT SANDY HOOK SUGGEST THAT FOX MAY BE IN SOME TROUBLE.

I THINK ONE THING THAT IS INTERESTING HERE, A SIDE LIGHT IS THAT RON DeSANTIS AND DONALD TRUMP HAVE SUGGESTED IT SHOULD BE EASIER TO SUE MAINSTREAM MEDIA FOR DEFAMATION.

I CAN BEST BET THAT IN THEIR WILDEST DREAMS THEY DIDN'T THINK FOX WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE.

>> THERE IS A DEFAMATION CASE AGAINST FOX WHICH IS HOW THE INFORMATION CAME OUT IN SOME OF THE COURT FILINGS.

DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS SUED FOX FOR DEFAMATION AND YOU ARE REFERRING TO THE SULLIVAN STANDARD WHICH MAKES A HIGH BAR FOR PUBLIC FIGURES-- >> NOT ONLY WERE THEY FALSE, DID THEY KNOW THEY WERE FALSE AND THAT'S WHERE THE INTERNAL EMAILS... >> A RECKLESS DISREGARD FOR THE TRUTH.

>> AND IT IS A QUESTION IF FOX NEWS WILL EVEN KNOW ABOUT THIS.

FOX LEADERS SAID THEIR OWN STATION CAN'T REPORT ON THE LAWSUIT.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A REVENUE PERSPECTIVE, YES, $1.6 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY IF DOMINION WIN IS BUT THEY GENERATE $14 BILLION IN REVENUE.

>> FOXWOODS RESORT CASINO NEWS VIEWERS DON'T GENERALLY BELIEVE WHAT THEY HEAR FROM OTHER MEDIA SOURCES ANYWAY.

THEY CAN TRUST FOX BECAUSE THEY DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING THEY HEAR IN OTHER MEDIA OUTLETS.

>> I THINK WHAT IT IS GOING TO COME DOWN TO, I'M LOOKING AT A TIMELINE WITH THE EMAILS SHOWING WHAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT PRIOR TO THEM BEING ON AIR, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY HAVE TO SHOW THE GUILTY MIND WITH EVEN A CIVIL CASE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT.

THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE.

>> NOW THE EMAILS SHOW THAT WHAT SEEMED TO BE DRIVING A LOT OF THIS WAS THEIR FEAR OF LOSING VIEWERS TO A DIFFERENT COMPETING NETWORK, NEWS MAX WHICH IS AFTER FOX CALLED THE ARIZONA ELECTION FOR BIDEN AND THE PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT TRUMP TT AT THE TIME, COMPLAINED WILDLY ABOUT THAT.

SO-- >> YOU KNOW, THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT THIS COMES DOWN TO AND THEIR CUSTOMERS WERE ON ARE ARE THEIR VIEWERS AND THEY WERE GOING TO SHOP AND FIND A NEW FLACE TO GET THEIR NEWS AND SO FOX DID, I THINK, MADE A BUSINESS DECISION THAT WE ARE GOING TO DISREGARD WHAT WE REALLY THINK AND WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO PUT OUT THIS INFORMATION THAT SUPPORTS THE ERRONEOUS VIEWS OF OUR VIEWERS.

>> TRUMP CAME FROM REALITY TV, WE CAN'T FORGET THAT AND KNOWING WHO TO SPEAK TO THE CROWDS AND SHOWING ALTERNATIVE NARRATIVES AND SAYING FAKE NEWS.

THAT CAUGHT ON REALLY QUICK IN HIS PRESIDENCY.

>> NOW FOX IS SAYING, IN THEIR DEFENSE, THAT THEY WEREN'T PROMOTING THESE IDEAS.

THEY WERE COVERING THE NEWS.

AND THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS HAPPENING.

I MEAN THERE WAS THIS PUSH, THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF WAS SAYING THIS-- THERE HAS BEEN FRAUD AND THESE PEOPLE WERE OUT THERE SAYING IT.

HIS LAWYERS.

SO WHY IS THAT NOT SIMPLY COVERING THE NEWS?

>> SIMPLY BECAUSE THIS WASN'T PRESENTED AS THESE ARE THE ARGUMENTS BEING MADE ABOUT THE ELECTION.

THIS WAS NOT-- THEY WERE NOT PRESENTING AS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS BEING SAID ABOUT THE ELECTION.

THEY WERE SPECIFICALLY SAYING THAT THERE WAS FRAUD; THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS CORRUPTION ET CETERA.

SO THEY WEREN'T MAKING A DISTINCTION BETWEEN WE ARE REPORTING WHAT IS BEING SAID.

THEY WERE SIMPLY REPEATING WHAT WAS BEING SAID AS IF IT WAS FACT.

>> NOW AT ONE POINT TUCKER CARLSON DID PUSH BACK AGAINST, I THINK IT WAS SYDNEY POWELL, SAYING, YOU KNOW, SHOW US THE PLOOF.

>> IN SOME SMALL WAYS, BUT TO YOUR POINT TARA THE LARGER ISSUE ABOUT CABLE NEWS NETWORKS AND WHY I THINK THEY'RE BAD FOR AMERICAN GOVERNMENT, THE BLENDING OF NEWS REPORTING IN THE TRADITIONAL SENSE AND OPINION, RIGHT?

AND FOX NEWS CLEARLY IS TRYING TO FILL A CONSERVATIVE TEMPLATE LIKE Ms. MBC FILLS A LIBERAL TEMPLATE AND I WONDER IF IT WILL REACH THE LIMITS OF WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO.

BUSINESS DECISIONS.

ARE NETWORKS GOING TO LIE TO THEIR CUSTOMERS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT?

I HOPE THIS DISSUADES FOX NEWS AND OTHER CABLE NEWS NETWORKS IN THE FUTURE BUT I'M NOT CONFIDENT IT WILL.

>> YOU MAKE A GREAT POINT THAT IS KEY TO REMEMBER BECAUSE ALL OF THE TEXT AND EMAILS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WERE COMING FROM PEOPLE IN PRIME TIME WHO ARE OPINION HOSTS AND WILL SAY, SEAN HANNITY HAS SAID MANY TIMES I'M NOT A JOURNALIST.

PEOPLE WHO WATCH HIM MAY THINK HE IS, BUT CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, LAURA INGRAHAM AND TUCKER CARLSON, THESE ARE THE OPINION PEOPLE ON FOX.

AND THERE ARE NEWS PEOPLE ON FOX THAT ARE MUCH-- >> JONES DOESN'T CLAIMS TO BE A JOURNALIST, EITHER AND THE COURT, YOU KNOW, THE JURY RULE SIGNIFICANTLY AGAINST HIM, SO I THINK THAT CLAIM, IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHETHER IT HOLDS UP.

>> THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, JUST TO BE CLEAR.

HE WAS SAYING THE SHOOTING AT SANDY HOOK WAS STAGED AND DIDN'T ACTUALLY OCCUR VERSUS SOMETHING WE ARE SPEAKING TO, WHERE IT IS A DIFFICULT THRESHOLD THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVE, EVEN WITH THE TROVE OF BACK AND FORTH EMAILS OF WHEN IT WAS SAID AND THEN WHAT WAS SAID TO THE AUDIENCE AS IF IT WAS FACT.

>> AND FOX, IN THEIR STATEMENTS HAVE ALREADY MADE REFERENCE TO THE SUL SULLIVAN STANDARD WHICH IS THE STANDARD FOR A DEFAMATION CASE.

AND YOU ARE RIGHT, RICK, BOTH DeSANTIS AND CLARENCE THOMAS AND NEIL GORSUCH HAS SAID THIS SHOULD BE REVISITED TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SUE FOR DEFAMATION.

IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW IT TURNS OUT.

>> FOX NEWS ALSO DID SAY THINGS LIKE DOMINION IS A VENEZUELAN COMPANY THAT SERVES HUGO CHAVEZ WHICH IS JUST AS RIDICULOUS.

>> THE SUPREME COURT HEARD A CASE LAST WEEK WHICH COULD SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE THE WAY SOCIAL MEDIA WORKS.

THE PARENTS OF A YOUNG WOMAN KILLED BY TERRORISTS SUED GOOGLE, CLAIMING ITS YOUTUBE SUBSIDIARY ENCOURAGED ISIS RECRUITMENT.

THE COURT COULD TAKE A WHACK AT SECTION 230 OF THE COMMUNICATION DECENCY ACT, WHICH PROTECTS PLATFORMS FROM LIABILITY FOR WHAT USERS POST.

SHOULD SECTION 230 BE AMENDED OR ELIMINATED SO BIG TECH COMPANIES HAVE MORE RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT IS POSTED ON THEIR SITES?

>> YEAH, IT NEEDS TO BE REVISITED.

IT WAS WRITTEN IN 196, SO IT'S ALMOST 30 YEARS OLD.

IT WAS WRITTEN IN 1996.

WE HAVE GROWN QUITE A BIT IN THE INTERNET SPACE, WHICH IS REALLY -- THIS IS REFERRED TO AS THE 26 WORDS THAT DEFINE THE INTERNET.

AND IT REALLY DID OPEN THE DOOR FOR FREE SPEECH.

SO WE DO HAVE TO BE-- WE HAVE TO TREAD CAREFUL ON HOW WE ADDRESS IT.

I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE ELIMINATED.

D.O.J., DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IN 2020 CAME OUT WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND A COUPLE OF THEM, I THINK ARE GOOD EXEMPTION-- GOOD EXCEPTIONS INCENTIVIZING ONLINE PLATFORM, ESPECIALLY EXEMPTION FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE POSTING THINGS FOR CHILD ABUSE, CYBER STALKING.

THEY OPENED UP OPEN DISCOURSE AND GREATER TRANSPARENCY AND ADDRESS SOME TERMINOLOGY THAT'S IN THAT 1996 WORDING.

>> SO THIS IS-- I MEAN IT'S A-- THE 26 WORDS THAT CREATED 9 INTERNET AND I THINK THE DISTINCTION HERE IS THE ALGORITHM THAT THEY'RE SUING OVER.

>> THEY'RE NOT JUST ALLOWING POSTING.

THEIR ALGORITHM DIRECTS AND PROMOTES AND RECOMMENDS BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE LOOKED AT BEFORE.

NOW, WHAT IS INTERESTING IN THIS CURRENT CASE, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT BECAUSE THE HAVE YOU HAD WHO WAS AFFECTED, WHO WAS KILLED AND WHOSE PARENTS ARE SUING, HAPPEN TO BE JUST IN THE WRONG PLACE WHEN THESE TERRORISTS-- SHE WAS NOT DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY ANYTHING THAT WAS POSTED.

BUT THE TERRORISTS WERE.

>> THEY COULD HAVE BEEN RECRUITED AND BECOME INTERESTED IN ISIS BECAUSE OF THINGS THEY SAW ON THEIR ALGORITHMS ON THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS?

>> RIGHT.

BUT HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT-- I MEAN THERE ARE TV COMMERCIALS THAT THAT PROMOTE GAMBLING AND ALCOHOL.

SO IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE ARE SAYING THESE ALGORITHMS ARE SENDING STATEMENTS TO PEOPLE THAT MAY AFFECT HOW THEY ACT; FOR INSTANCE, THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF CASES WITH RESPECT TO BULLYING, YOU KNOW, WHERE BULLYING HAS BEEN ENCOURAGED AND IT'S CAUSED TRAGIC OUTCOMES.

IN A SENSE, WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS SIMILAR TO WHAT, I THINK MOST ADVERTISING IS TRYING TO DO.

AND AGAIN IT'S TO TRY TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT THINGS THEY THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO VALUE.

>> DRAFTKINGS CAN RUN AN AD AT THE SUPER BOWL, TERRORISTS CAN NOT.

I'M SYMPATHETIC TO ALGORITHM AND MAKING SOCIAL MEDIA WORK AND MAKING SEARCH ENGINES WORK BUT WHERE GOOGLE LOST ME WHEN THEY SAID THERE IS SO MUCH VOLUME ON YOUTUBE THAT THEY CAN'T CONTROL WHAT IS ON THERE.

IF HAVE YOU TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS HAVING CONTENT ON THERE, AND THESE COMPANIES ARE PUTTING THAT CONTENT IN FRONT OF PEOPLE THAT THEY THINK ARE MOST INCLINED TO WANT TO WATCH TERRORIST PROGRAMMING, THAT'S A PROBLEM AND I THINK THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO INTERVENE.

I THINK IT HAS TO BE MORE AN INISN'TIVES.

>>-- INCENTIVES.

>> AND I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT, LUKE.

THAT'S ONE OF THE JUSTICES THAT ARE STRUGGLING WITH IS THAT ON THE ONE HAND THEY DON'T WANT TO CREATE A WORLD OF LAWSUITS ABOUT EVERY LITTLE THING THAT IS PERCEIVED TO BE NEGATIVE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S TERRORISM, CYBER BULLYING, WHAT HAVE YOU.

THEY DON'T WANT A WORLD OF LAWSUITS ABOUT THAT.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, AS YOU CORRECTLY STATE, WHEN YOU ARE NOT ONLY PROVIDING INFORMATION FOR SOMEONE WHO SEEKS IT OUT BUT YOU ARE THEN BASICALLY PUTTING THAT INFORMATION IN FRONT OF SOMEONE BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOUGHT IT OUT WHICH MEANS IS SOME SOMEONE WHO HAS AN INTEREST FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEN YOU ARE, IN A SENSE, KNOWINGLY POSSIBLY CREATING MORE TERRORISTS.

AND THAT, I THINK, IS THE THING THAT IS WHERE THE JUSTICES AND, CERTAINLY I THINK CONGRESS, NEED TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND SAY SAY HOW CAN WE POSSIBLY REGULATE THIS.

>> AND IT'S REAL EASY WITH A.I.

THAT HAS COME LEAPS AND BOUNDS SINCE 1996.

WE HAD THE TERMINATOR, THE MOVIE BUT NOW WE ACTUALLY HAVE A DECISION SUPPORT SYSTEMS AND A.I.

THAT CAN ACTUALLY IDENTIFY THESE RISK FACTORS.

>> IT'S REAL EASY.

>> I WOULDN'T SAY REAL EASY.

>> YOU JUST DID.

>> BUT LEAPS AND BOUNDS TO WHERE WE WERE AND WE SHOULD BE HOLDING THESE ENTITIES ACCOUNTABLE.

>> AND THE CLAIM GOES WELL BEYOND TERRORISM.

REPUBLICANS CLAIM THERE IS ANTI-CONSERVATIVE BIAS.

DEMOCRATS DON'T WANT STATEMENTS THAT CALL INTO QUESTION VACCINES OR MISINFORMATION AND SO THIS CAN VERY QUICKLY GET OUT OF CONTROL.

I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD AGREE IN A FEW POINTED AREAS.

BUT IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THE JUSTICES ACT.

>> THOSE POINTS YOU MAKE, BOTH PARTIES HAVE THEIR PROBLEMS WITH BIG TECH AND SO THERE HAS BEEN INTEREST IN REVISING THIS LAW.

SO I MEAN DO YOU THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN; THAT THIS LAW WILL BE CHANGED WITH THE COMMUNICATION DECENCY ACT?

>> THEY'RE THE OTHER PROBLEM I HAVE WHY THE COURTS ARE OR DEALING WITH THIS, CONGRESS WROTE THOSE 26 WORDS, THEY CAN CHANGE THOSE 26 WORDS.

IF THEY THINK-- AND THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS ABOUT THIS AND THEY'VE DONE NOTHING.

SO WHY IS THIS NOW BEING LEFT TO THE COURTS AS OPPOSED TO CONGRESS GOING AND DEALING WITH AS THEY THINK THERE IS A PROBLEM.

>> IF THE LAWS CHANGE AND IF THEY DO FACE LIABILITY, YOU HAVE TO WONDER WHETHER THAT WILL JUST PREVENT PLATFORMS FROM PUTTING ANYTHING ON THAT COULD BE AT ALL CONTROVERSIAL BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE AFRAID OF BEING SUED AND THE INTERNET BECOMES USELESS.

>> AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS ADDRESSING, THE THIRD PARTY.

> BASEBALL HAS BEEN CALLED OUR NATIONAL PASTIME ALMOST SINCE ABNER DOUBLEDAY DID OR DID NOT INVENT THE GAME DOWN THE ROAD THE COOPERSTOWN.

IT'S BEEN A CONSTANT BETWEEN GENERATIONS, FATHERS PLAYING CATCH WITH SONS.

STATISTICS COULD BE COMPARED OVER TIME BECAUSE THE RULES STAYED THE SAME.

BABE RUTH HIT 60 HOMERS, ROGER MARIS 61 AND AARON JUDGE, 62.

SIXTY FEET SIX INCHES FROM THE RUBBER TO THE PLATE AND THE BASES ARE 90 FEET APART.

BUT NOW • THE TIMELESS GAME HAS ADOPTED A PITCH CLOCK, THE BOUDREAU SHIFT IS BANNED, AND THE BASES ARE A LITTLE-CLOSER TOGETHER.

NOW THIS IS NOT OUR USUAL IVORY TOWER DISCUSSION, BUT THE HOT >> STOVE LEAGUE IS OFFICIALLY IN SESSION FOR THE NEXT FEW MINUTES.

LUKE, WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT, I GUESS MODERN AMERICAN LIFE THAT THE GAME NEEDS A MAKEOVER.

>> BASEBALL MOST PEOPLE SPENT THEIR TIME PURCHASING TIME CARDS IN FACTORIES DOING MONOTONOUS WORK SO THE IDEA OF GOING OUTSIDE WITH GREEN GRASS TO WATCH A GAME THAT IS REALLY THE ONLY ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A CLOCK WAS HIGHLY APPEALING.

HERE WE ARE NOW, IN A POST INDUSTRIAL ECONOMY WITH A RADICALLY DIFFERENT ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY WHERE PROFESSIONAL SPORTS IS A TELEVISION PROGRAM AND THE NFL IS DOMINATING MUCH MORE SO THAN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL.

SO I THINK IT IS TIME TO REVISIT THE RULES FOR THE GOOD OF THE GAME AND TRY TO PROMOTE A SUSTAINABILITY IN THIS ERA.

>> I WONDER, WITH THOSE CHANGES, CAN IT STILL HAVE THE ALMOST MYTHICAL HOLD THAT IT HAS ON CULTURE?

>> WELL, I THINK THE MYTHICAL HOLD IS ON PEOPLE SUCH AS YOU AND I, NOT SO MUCH ON 16 AND 17 YEAR OLDS TODAY.

FIRST LET ME GO BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID YOU CAN COMPARE STATISTICS AND YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, RUTH AND MARIS AND JUDGE, YOU DIDN'T MENTION BARRY BONDS IN THERE, PLUS YOU DIDN'T MENTION THE FACT THAT BABE RUTH HAD FEWER GAMES TO HIT THOSE HOME RUNS THAN EITHER MARIS OR JUDGE, SO.

>> THE NUMBER OF GAMES WERE THE SAME.

>> RELATIVELY.

>> BUT THERE HAVE BEEN THREE COMPLAINTS.

LENGTH OF THE GAME, THE PACE OF THE GAME AND ACTION IN THE GAME.

AND I THINK BASEBALL FELT IT NECESSARY TO GO AND MAKE SOME CHANGES HERE.

CLEARLY ALREADY WE HAVE SEEN THE PITCH CLOCK HAS REDUCED SPRING TRAINING GAMES BY ABOUT 20 MINUTES PER GAME.

OFFENSE HAS BEEN A BIG PROBLEM WITH BASEBALL LAST YEAR.

AVERAGE WAS 243, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE LOWEST BATTING AVERAGES IN BASEBALL HISTORY GOING BACK TO 1900.

NUMBER OF STRIKEOUTS VERY HIGH.

SO THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE SOME CHANGES, BOTH WITH THE PITCH CLOCK, ELIMINATING THE SHIFT THAT'S GOING TO BRING THE GAME INTO A FORM THAT HOPEFULLY WILL BE MORE APPEALING TO YOUNGER PEOPLE.

>> THE SHIFT THING, ISN'T THAT BECAUSE THE STRATEGY WAS ACTUALLY WORKING?

SO THEY'RE SAYING HEY, THEY FIGURED OUT A STRATEGY THAT WORKS SO WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE RULES?

AND THEN THEY MAKE THE PLATES BIGGER SO THERE IS FOUR AND A HALF INCHES LESS BETWEEN THE BASE.

AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY.

>> THE BASES ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE CLOSER TOGETHER BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND AND SECOND AND THIRD.

>> THAT WAS TO REDUCE INJURIES, ESPECIALLY AT FIRST BASE WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF COLLISIONS BETWEEN RUNNERS AND FIRST BASEMEN.

THE ANCILLARY VIEW IS THAT IT IS GOING TO HELP STEALING A BIT.

BUT MOST SPORTS HAVE MADE CHANGES-- YOU KNOW, BASKETBALL OUTLAWED ZONE DEFENSES.

THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF CHANGES IN THE NFL TO PROMOTE MORE OFFENSE SO BASEBALL IS NOT THE FIRST SPORT TO MAKE CHANGES BECAUSE OF PEOPLE HAVE FIGURED OUT HOW TO... >> THIS IS A FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE TO THE GAME BY PUTTING A CLOCK IN THERE.

ONE THING WE SHOULD SAY IS ONE OF THE BIG CHANGES I HAVEN'T MENTIONED, WE TALK ABOUT ACROSS GENERATIONS, OF COURSE BEFORE 1947, BASEBALL WAS A GAME WITH ONLY WHITE BALL PLAYERS SO BABE RUTH DIDN'T HAVE TO HIT AGAINST SATCHEL PAGE, LET'S SAY.

I'M SURPRISED THAT THE RESPONSE SO FAR HAS BEEN SO POSITIVE.

I THOUGHT THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE-- I TALKED TO ONE OF MY GOOD FRIEND, WHO ONCE SAID TO ME THE GAME IS PERFECT.

PROBABLY 20 YEARS AGO HE SAID THAT.

I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF IT HE SAID.

>> THE PLAYERS SEEMS TO BE FINE WITH THIS, FROM THE REPORTING THAT I'VE SEEN, IT WAS OKAY.

>> SO TARA, I KNOW THAT YOU ARE MORE A FOOTBALL FAN THAN BASEBALL FAN BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> AS YOU SAID, I'M NOT A BIG BASEBALL FAN BUT I THINK A COUPLE THINGS HERE.

FIRST OF ALL IN TERMS OF WHY THERE IS SUCH A POSITIVE RESPONSE, BECAUSE WE ARE A HURRY UP WORLD AND THE LONGER PEOPLE HAVE TO SIT, AS YOU SAID, PEOPLE ARE GENERALLY WATCHING ON TELEVISION BECAUSE MOST CAN'T AFFORD TO GO TO THE STADIUM AND WATCH A GAME, YOU KNOW, A MAJOR LEAGUE GAME THAT OFTEN.

SO I THINK PEOPLE GET BORED AFTER A CERTAIN TIME BECAUSE WE ARE A HURRY UP WORLD.

EVERYTHING IS QUICK.

SO THEY WANT THE GAME TO BE A LITTLE BIT FASTER.

THEY ALSO WANT THE GAME TO BE MORE EXCITING.

AND IF YOU CAN SEE MORE BASES STOLEN, IF YOU CAN GET THE PITCHER TO GO AHEAD AND THROW THE BALL A LITTLE QUICKER, YOU KNOW, THAT FITS IN WITH THE WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN.

BUT THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED HERE IS THIS IS ABOUT BRINGING IN FANS, BRINGING IN YOUNGER FANS.

AND I THINK MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL ALSO NEEDS TO LOOK AT WHAT THE MAKEUP OF THE TEAMS LOOKS LIKE.

MY DAD WAS A BIG BASEBALL FAN FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, BACK IN THE WORLD WHERE YOU HAD ONLY ONE TELEVISION AND DAD SAID WE ARE WATCHING BASEBALL, YOU WATCHED BASEBALL.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS HE CONSTANTLY COMMENTS ABOUT NOW BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WATCH IT VERY MUCH IS THE SORT OF FLAVOR, AS YOU PUT IT, OF THE TEAM AND THE FACT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE AS MUCH DIVERSITY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IN THE TEAM.

YOU HAVE DIVERSITY, DON'T GET ME WRONG.

BUT YOU DON'T HAVE SORT OF AS MUCH AMERICAN DIVERSITY AS YOU USED TO HAVE IN THE TEAM.

SO I THINK MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL ALSO NEEDS ADDRESS THAT ASPECT, TOO.

>> THERE IS A LOT FEWER BLACK BALL PLAYERS NOW.

AMERICAN BORN BLACK BALL PLAYERS.

LAST YEAR WAS THE FIRST TIME IN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS, DECADES, THAT THERE WERE NO AMERICAN BORN BLACK BALL PLAYERS IN THE WORRIES.

WORLD SERIES WHICH WAS UNHEARD OF A FEW YEARS AGO.

SO, RICK, I'LL GIVE YOU THE LAST WORD ON THIS BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE A FEW SECONDS AND YOU CLEARLY ARE A BASEBALL GUY.

>> I THINK THAT THESE RULES ARE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

CERTAINLY IN TERMS OF PICKING UP THE BASE OF THE GAME.

IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHETHER THE OFFENSE PICKS UP AS THEY GET RID OF THE SHIFT.

AND IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO THE ANALYTICS.

>> AND As AND Fs.

WE BEGIN TARA WITH YOUR F. >> MY F GO IS TO PHYSICIANS WHO ARE PRESCRIBING DIABETIC DRUGS FOR PATIENTS WHO DO NOT HAVE TYPE TWO DIABETES.

INCREASING NUMBER OF WEALTHY PATIENTS ARE BEING PRESCRIBED DRUGS SIMPLY FOR QUICK SHORT-TERM WEIGHT LOSS OPPOSED TO DIABETES.

THE PROBLEM IS THIS IS CREATING SHORTAGES FOR PEOPLE WITH DIABETES.

>> F, BEN.

>> MY F GOES TO A MAN WHO TRIED TO SNEAK A BOMB ON TO AN AIRPLANE IN PENNSYLVANIA.

AL INTOWN, PENNSYLVANIA, HE HAD A RELATIVE WHO WENT ON THE RECORD SAYING IT'S NICE THAT THE WHOLE WORLD THINKS THAT HE IS SMART ENOUGH TO BUILD A BOMB.

HE IS NOT THAT SMART.

>> LUKE, YOUR F. >> TO BRONX POLICE OFFICERS FOR USING EXCESSIVE FORCE AND ILLEGALLY ARRESTING PROTESTERS FOLLOWING GEORGE FLOYD'S MURDERS THAT RESULTED IN A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR SETTLEMENT THIS WEEK.

>> MY F GOES TO CONGRESS FOR BLOCKING RETIREMENT FUNDS FROM USING ENVIRONMENTAL, SOCIAL AND GOVERNANCE CRITERIAIA FOR MAKING INVESTMENT DECISIONS.

REPUBLICANS ACCUSE THE FUNDS ARE BEING WOKE.

THE FUNDS CLAIM THAT SUCCESSFUL INVESTING REQUIRES RISK ASSESSMENT.

I THINK IT'S A BIT HYPOCRITICAL OF PROPONENTS OF FREE MARKETS TO BE TELLING PROFESSIONAL MONEY MANAGERS HOW TO DO THEIR JOB.

>> AND LET'S GO TO THE As.

TARA YOUR A.

>> TO THE GROWING NUMBER OF MENTAL HEALTH GYMS.

THESE ARE GYMS DEVOTED TO BRAIN EXERCISES LIKE BRAIN MEDITATION AND JOURNALING.

THESE FACILITIES RDZ DESIGNED TO HELP INDIVIDUALS DESTRESS AND REDUCE ANXIETY.

>> BEN.

>> MY A GOES TO AN UP IDEA.

NOW THERE IS A JAPANESE MAN IN JAPAN WHO HAS COME UP WITH THIS IDEA OF PUTTING A BALLOON 14 MILES ABOVE THE EARTH SO YOU CAN LOOK AT SPACE.

NOW I DON'T THINK IT'S A WINNING BUSINESS MODEL FOR AMERICA CURRENTLY WITH BALLOONS.

>> AND LUKE, YOUR A?

>> MY A GOES TO SYRACUSE PER NATIONAL REPORTING, WE ARE A TOP 10 MIGRATION CITY FOR YOUNG ADULTS OUTPACING NEW YORK CITY 2-1.

>> OKAY.

AND RICK YOUR A.

>> MY A GOES TO KEVIN McCARTHY AND AKEEM JEFFRIES, MAJORITY AND MINORITY LEADER IN THE HOUSE APPEAR TO BE GOING OUT OF THEIR WAY TO ENSURE THEY HAVE A BETTER WORKING RELATIONSHIP THAN McCARTHY HAD WITH NANCY PELOSI.

HE HAS INVITED JEFFRIES TO INTELLIGENCE BRIEFINGS.

WILL THIS LEAD TO SOME LEVEL OF BIPARTISANSHIP AND EASIER PASSAGE OF LEGISLATION LIKE ON RAISING THE DEBT LIMIT?

I'M SKEPTICAL BECAUSE OF McCARTHY'S TENUOUS POSITION WITH THE FAR RIGHT OF HIS PARTIES BUT I THINK THEY DESERVE AN A FORESTER.

>> I WASN'T SURE WE WOULD GET AROUND TO THE A THERE.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION, RICK, ABOUT YOUR F. BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED ESG AND ENVIRONMENTAL SOCIAL AND GOVERNANCE.

AND THIS ATTEMPT NOW TO CHANGE THE WAY PRIVATE MONEY MANAGERS MAY DECIDE TO MAKE THEIR DECISIONS.

>> RIGHT.

>> AND IT'S A REPUBLICAN PUSH TO DO THAT.

>> YES, AND REPUBLICANS USUALLY ARE THE ONES THAT SAY, YOU KNOW, LET BUSINESSES MAKE THE DECISION IS.

WE SHOULD KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF THIS.

BUT, IN FACT, WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS PRECLUDING THEM FROM USING CERTAIN INFORMATION IN TERMS OF MAKING INVESTMENT DECISIONS.

>> AND THAT'S NOT ALL THAT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT GOVERNOR DeSANTIS IS DOING IN FLORIDA WITH DISNEY TO SOME EXTENT, RIGHT?

>> WHAT IS INTERESTING IS MANY CONSERVATIVE STATES HAVE ACTUALLY REJECTED THE SAME PROPOSAL THAT THE SENATE IS PASSED.

>> SO PERHAPS ON THE STATE LEVEL ... >> THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT SMARTER.

>> TAKING MORE TIME TO THINK THE ISSUE THROUGH.

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