THIS PROGRAM IS MADE BY MPT TO ENRICH THE DIVERSE COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT OUR STATE AND IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE GENEROUS SUPPORT OF OUR MEMBERS.

THANK YOU.

CONNECTING MARYLANDERS TO THEIR GOVERNMENT, THIS IS "STATE CIRCLE".

>> Jeff: WELCOME TO "STATE CIRCLE".

COMING UP ON OUR PROGRAM THIS WEEK, A MARYLAND CHOIR SELECTED FOR A D-DAY COMMEMORATION IN NORMANDY.

AN HBCU INTERVIEW WITH THE OUTGOING PRESIDENT OF HOWARD UNIVERSITY.

GOVERNOR MOORE DELIVERED A WARNING ABOUT BUDGET TROUBLE AS HEAD.

THE GOVERNOR SPOKE AT THE COP COLLUSION OF THE MARYLAND ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES CONVENTION IN OCEAN CITY.

HE SAID THE FORECAST A BILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE MEANS HE WILL BE SAYING NO TO MORE SPENDING REQUESTS THAN HE WOULD LIKE.

>> WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BALANCED APPROACH.

FISCAL PONCETY HAS BEEN THE NORTH STAR OF MY ADMINISTRATION FROM DAY ONE.

WE'VE MADE USE OF THE MONEY WE'VE HAD.

AND WE KEPT MONEY IN RESERVE.

BUT WE NEED TO RAMP UP RESTRAINT AS WE APPROACH THIS NEW YEAR.

THIS IS GOING TO BE THE SEASON OF DISCIPLINE.

AND OUR CHOICES HAVE GOT TO REFLECT THAT.

>> Jeff: AND JOINING US NOW FOR THE POLITICAL ROUND TERRIBLE, DEMOCRAT FROM PRINCE GEORGE'S AND ANNE ARUNDEL COUNTIES.

VICE-CHAIR OF THE BUDGET AND TAX COMMITTEE AND DELEGATE ANYONE KNOW, REPUBLICAN FROM BALTIMORE COUNTY AND A MEMBER OF THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE.

GENTLEMEN WITH ALL THE FISCAL EXPERTISE HERE, LET'S START WITH THE GOVERNOR'S SPEECH IN OCEAN CITY.

SENATOR, THE GOVERNOR'S WARNING DO YOU SUPPORT THAT?

>> DEFINITELY I DO.

I THINK YOU HAVE TO PUT IT IN CONTEXT.

WE ARE IN BETTER FISCAL SHAPE IN THE SHORT RUN WE HAVE BEEN IN THE LONG TIME BECAUSE ALL THE THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT THE COVID CRISIS AND ALL THE FEDERAL AID THAT WE GOT AND THE STIMULATION OF THE ECONOMY AND THE LOW UNEMPLOYMENT RATE PLUS INFLATION.

TWO YEARS WE'VE HAD RECORD BUDGET SURPLUSES.

SO IT'S RESET PEOPLE'S EXPECTATIONS TO THINK THE STATE HAS A LOT OF MONEY.

THAT IS THE MESSAGE I WAS HEARING FROM THE GOVERNOR.

THE LAST TWO YEARS OF THE BUDGET SURPLUSES ARE OVER.

SUCK IT UP.

THAT I THINK WAS THE MESSAGE.

>> DELEGATE, YOUR THOUGHTS?

>> WELL, THANK YOU, JEFF.

AND I WILL START OFF WITH THIS.

I'M GLAD THE GOVERNOR IS NOW REVERSING HIS POINT ON SPENDING A LOT OF HIS PROJECTS ARE REALLY NEED A LOT OF MONEY.

AND NOW HE IS INC. CHAING ON THAT.

I THINK THIS COMES BACK TO THE ASSESSOR WHICH WAS A VERY DIFFICULT SESSION FOR ME.

AND I THINK ONE OF THE WORST THAT WE'VE HAD IN A LONG, LONG TIME.

THEY ARE REVERSING ON IF YOU LOOK AT JUVENILE JUSTICE, WHEN THE GAS TAXES ALL THINGS THE GOVERNOR IS REVERSED ON AND THE BUDGET BEING ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT AND FOR ME YOU ARE LOOKING AT A BUDGET THAT ARE ENDLESS THEY WARNED US ABOUT, THE REVENUES WERE DECREASING.

YET WE KEPT SPENDING.

I VOTED AGAINST THE STATE BUDGET.

I READ THE OTHER DAY WE ARE GROWING AT 3.3% ANNUALLY AND SPENDING ROUGHLY 5.1% PROJECTED.

I THINK I READ ALSO $8 BILLION PROJECTED BUDGET IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, SIGNATURE LEGISLATION OF KERWINVILLE BEING THE MAIN DRIVER.

WE SPENT $400 MILLION ON KIIR WIN AND SOMETHING AROUND 100 MILLION ON THESE INITIATIVES -- JUST TENS OF MILLIONS ON THESE GREEN ENERGY CLIMATE SOLUTIONS NOW BILLS.

HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS ON THE RENEWABLE ENERGIES.

A LOT OF THINGS THAT I'M PERSONALLY AGAINST LIKE TAXPAYER FUNDED ABORTIONS, TAXPAYER FUNDED TRANSGENDER SURGERY I COULD GO ON.

I'M GLAD THE GOVERNOR IS SEEING THE WRITING ON THE WALL AND THIS IS SOMETHING I TRIED TO WARN ABOUT IN MY POSITION.

>> Jeff: SENATOR WE HAVE THE LOWEST UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IN MARYLAND I'VE EVER SEEN.

IT'S UNDER 2%.

WHEN THE STATE FISCAL AUTHORITIES TALK ABOUT PROJECTED BUDGET DEFICITS IN THE OUT YEARS IS THAT WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE GOOD TIMES CONTINUE?

OR ARE THEY LOOKING AT A CASE WHERE MAYBE THE ECONOMY SLOWS?

>> IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.

THE LOW UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS A REFLECTION OF LOTS OF JOB VACANCIES AND PEOPLE HIRING OBVIOUSLY.

BUT IT'S ALSO A REFLECTION OVER THE LAST EIGHT OR 10 YEARS THE ECONOMY IN THE STATE HAS GROWN LESS THAN MOST OTHER STATES AND THAT IS [INAUDIBLE] WE HAVE ONE OF THE SLOWEST ECONOMIC GROWTH RATES IN THE COUNTRY.

WE'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE WORKING.

I THINK IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.

I THINK THE POINT THAT THE DELEGATE MAKES ABOUT THE BLUEPRINT FOR MARYLAND'S FUTURE WHEN THE INVESTMENT INCREASES DRAMATICALLY ABOUT FOUR, FIVE YEARS OUT WE'VE KNOWN ABOUT THAT SINCE THE BEGINNING.

WE KNEW WE HAD NOT PUT INTO PLACE TO FUND THE ENTIRE PLAN.

THAT DOES NOT COME AS A SURPRISE.

WHAT HAS COME AS A SURPRISE IS COVID AND THE BOOM THAT TOOK PLACE OVER TWO YEARS AND THAT GOT PEOPLE'S EXPECTATIONS OUT OF SYNC.

I WAS MAKING INVESTMENTS IN WAYS WE NEEDED TO LIKE PAYING OUR STATE WORKERS MORE GROSSLY UNDERPAID, HUGE VACANCIES IN THE STATE AGENCIES THINGS LIKE THAT ARE IMPORTANT.

AND PUTTING MONEY IN THE BANK.

THAT IS WHY WE'VE TAKEN THE RAINY DAY FUND TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL AND PUT MONEY FOR MEETING WHEN THE MATCHES WE NEED FOR THE FEDERAL MONEY COMING FROM INFRASTRUCTURE AND MONEY ASIDE TO MEET THE KERWIN BLUEPRINT OBLIGATIONS IN FUTURE YEARS.

THE BUDGET WAS A RESPONSIBLE BUDGET.

WE'VE HAD A RESPONSIBLE BUDGET EVERY YEAR AND WE WILL.

>> Jeff: JIM, IS THE KERWIN BLUEPRINT EDUCATION INVESTMENT OR SPENDING PLAN A TOTAL REPLAY OF THE THORNTON PLAN FROM 15 OR 20 YEARS AGO WHICH WAS APPROVED WITHOUT A FUNDING SOURCE WAS GOING TO COST A LOT OF MONEY.

IT REQUIRED A TAX INCREASE AND THAT LAID THE GROUND WORK FOR LARRY HOGAN, A REPUBLICAN TO WIN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE?

>> WELL, YOU PACKED A LOT INTO THAT SENTENCE.

>> Jeff: JIM, HAVE YOU SEEN THIS MOVIE BEFORE THAT IS THE QUESTION?

>> IT IS A DIFFERENT MOVIE.

THE MOST IMPORTANT REASON IT IS A DIFFERENT MOVIE IS THE THORNTON PLAN WAS NOT A PLAN.

IT WAS JUST MONEY.

THE BLUEPRINT IS A BLUEPRINT.

VERY DRAMATIC CHANGES IN THE WAY WE GO ABOUT EDUCATION.

BASED ON THE BEST SCHOOL SYSTEMS IN THE WORLD NOT THE BEST SCHOOL SYSTEMS IN THE UNITED STATES.

HAPPY TO DO A DEEPER DIVE INTO THE SPECIFICS I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THAT AND KNOW THAT STUFF WELL.

THORNTON WAS MONEY HOPEFULLY THINGS WILL GET BETTER.

THAT IS WHERE IT'S DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE THORNTON PLAN.

SECONDLY, IT IS THE CASE THAT WE FUNDED THE FIRST FEW YEARS OF THE BLUEPRINT AND NO, NEW WE WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE OUTER YEARS IN THE FUTURE.

SO ALL OF THIS WITH OUR EYES OPEN.

I GIVE THE LEGISLATURE CREDIT FOR THINKING AHE HAD HAD AND PLANNING AHEAD.

>> Jeff: DELEGATE.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT.

JEFF I'VE SAT ON THE HOUSE FLOOR A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHEN THIS WAS HAPPENING TO PASS THIS BILL AND I WARNED AGAINST IT AND REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES WARNED AGAINST IT, GOVERNOR GOVERNOR GOVERNOR'S ANALYSIS SAYS THE PROJECTION OF THE KERWIN BILL WAS UNSUSTAINABLE THAT IS WHAT HE SAID THIS YEAR.

AND HE TALKED ABOUT HOW THE ROLLOUT WAS PRETTY MUCH VERY DISORGANIZED AND THERE'S VERY LITTLE WAY TO EVEN MONITOR HOW WE ARE SUCCESSFUL.

AND HERE IS ANOTHER THING... LET'S BE HONEST HERE THIS IS GOING TO COST US TENS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND PROBABLY GOING TO LEAD TO TAX INCREASES AND I SAW A STORY THE SHOCKING STORY ABOUT THE STATE OF AFFAIRS IN OUR STATE.

IN PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY.

THERE WAS A ARTICLE THAT TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY ARE REQUIRING METAL DETECTORS AND CLEAR PLASTIC BOOK-BAGS BECAUSE THE THREAT OF WEAPONS AND THE TEACHERS' UNION REPRESENTATIVE SAID THAT IS GOOD AND GREAT, HOWEVER, WHAT ABOUT ALL THE FIGHTS THAT GO ON EVERYDAY.

THE POINT I'M MAKING THAT ALL TIES IN.

HOW DOES KERWIN ADDRESS THAT TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT?

WE'RE SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY ON EDUCATION WHEN GOVERNOR HOGAN WAS IN OFFICE HE WAS ALREADY SPENDING A RECORD AMOUNT ON FUNDING AND WE WEREN'T GETTING THE RESULTS WE NEEDED.

NOW THE ANSWER IS LET'S SPEND MORE MONEY.

NO, I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE ANSWER.

WE HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY TOWARDS EDUCATION WE NEED TO REVAMP IT AND DO AND SPENDING TENS OF BILLIONS MORE DOLLARS I THINK IS NOT THE ANSWER AND IS GOING TO LEAD TO TAX INCREASES AND THAT IS WHY THE GOVERNOR IS TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CUT BACK THIS STEMS FROM THIS MASSIVE KERWIN BILL.

>> Jeff: DELEGATE I KNOW YOU WANT TO TALK JUVENILE JUSTICE I WILL COME TO THAT IN A SECOND.

SENATOR, ARE WE LOOKING AT TAX INCREASES MAYBE NOT THIS COMING SESSION BUT YEAR THREE OF THE TERM?

>> I HAVE NO IDEA IN THE WORLD.

WHAT I DO KNOW IS WE'VE MADE A SET OF COMMITMENTS THE BIGGEST IS IN A BALANCED BUDGET.

WHAT THE CURRENT PROJECTIONS SHOW WE HAVE TO MAKE FAIRLY MODEST BUDGET CUTS IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR AND I'M CONFIDENT WE WILL DO THAT WE'VE DONE THAT EVERY YEAR IN THE LEGISLATURE.

I THINK THE FOCUS SHOULD BE AND I AGREE WITH ANYONE KNOW IS HOW YOU SPEND THE MONEY.

AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE BLUEPRINT WAS DESIGNED TO DO AND FRUSTRATED US WHEN GOVERNOR HOGAN VETOED IT.

IT PUT US BACK A YEAR, YEAR-AND-A-HALF.

GOVERNOR HOGAN DIDN'T GET ONBOARD WORKING WITH THE LEGISLATURE.

THE GOOD THINGS ABOUT GOVERNOR MOORE IS HE DID WELL IN KINDERGARTEN HE KNOWS HOW TO PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS.

SO I THINK THAT COOPERATION WILL HELP US IN ALL THE FRONTS.

>> Jeff: ANYONE KNOW YOU WANTED TO TALK JUVENILE JUSTICE.

>> YES, I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES WE'RE FACING AND THIS TIES BACK NOT ONLY NECESSARILY TO THE BUDGET BUT TO THE ECONOMY WHICH CERTAINLY COMES BACK TO THE BUDGET.

IF WE CAN'T HAVE A SUCCESSFUL STATE IF WE DON'T HAVE A SAFE STATE AND THE LEGISLATION PASSED WAS FLAWED.

AND THIS JUVENILE JUSTICE BILL IS SOMETHING THAT EVEN THE GOVERNOR WAS PRESSED ON YESTERDAY BY FOX 45, I BELIEVE, OR EARLIER THIS WEEKEND IN AN INTERVIEW, AND HE'S COMING OVER TO OUR SIDE A LITTLE BIT HERE.

AND I AGREE SERVICES ARE VERY IMPORTANT.

THERE ARE IMPORTANT FIRST STEP BUT WE MUST BE MAKING SURE OUR STREETS ARE SAFE, WE NEED TO BE GETTING ESPECIALLY VIOLENT DANGEROUS JUVENILES OFF THE STREETS EVERYDAY I WAKE UP I'M SEEING CARS BEING STOLEN BY 11, 12-YEAR-OLD KIDS THEY CAN'T BE PUNISHED FOR IT.

WE NEED TO START EARLY AND MAKE CERTAIN OUR JUVENILES KNOW THERE NEEDS TO BE ACCOUNTABILITY, POLITICALLY FOR LEGISLATORS WHO VOTE AND SPONSOR THESE FAILED POLICIES.

THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS IT BELONGS I HATE TO SEE THIS TO MY FRIEND, THE DEMOCRATS PASSED THIS BILL.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY REPUBLICAN SUPPORT AND THEY ARE THE SUPER MAJORITY AND OUR OBLIGATION IS TO PROVIDE MARYLANDERS WITH A SAFE COMMUNITY, SAFE STREETS, SAFE SCHOOLS AND RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE DO THAT WE ARE A FAILURE AND SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON ALL THESE THINGS AND NOT GETTING RESULTS.

>> Jeff: JIM YOU ARE WELCOME TO RESPOND AND THE TOPIC YOU WANTED TO BRING UP ABOUT APPRENTICESHIPS.

>> SOMEWHAT RELATED I AGREE WITH ANYONE KNOW.

PEOPLE SHOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS THE JUVENILE CRIME WE'VE SEEN IS OUTRAGEOUS.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID IN THIS SESSION WE PUT MORE MONEY TOWARDS POLICE FORCES.

THEY ARE HAVING TROUBLE RECRUITING PEOPLE.

IT'S HARD TO KEEP THE COMMUNITY SAFE.

I'M IN AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE TO DO THAT.

AND I'M ALSO SOMETIMES AND ANYONE KNOW HAS DONE THIS BUT REPUBLICANS TRY TO SAY THAT THE OPPONENTS WANT TO DEFUND THE POLICE.

THE REVERSE.

WE WANT TO REFUND THE POLICE TO HAVE THE TOOLS THEY NEED TO PROTECT US.

AND THE PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH POLICING WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF POLICE OFFICERS WHICH IS THE CONNECTION TO APPRENTICESHIP.

BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE FOUND IS THAT THE RECRUITMENT IN ALL AREAS NOT JUST PUBLIC SERVICES BUT CERTAINLY PUBLIC SERVICES WE HAVE SUCH SHORTAGES LARGELY BECAUSE WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT IS BUILT AROUND ASSUMING THAT MOST KIDS ARE GOING TO GO TO COLLEGE.

IT'S NOT TRUE.

BY AGE 25, ONLY ONE-THIRD OF OUR MARYLAND HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATES ARE EARNED ANY DEGREE, AA OR BA DEGREE.

AND WE PUT $3 BILLION OF STATE MONEY INTO OUR INSTITUTIONS OF HIGHER EDUCATION FOR THE ONE-THIRD.

LESS THAN 200 MILLION IN TO HELPING THE TWO-THIRDS AND THAT IS WHY IT'S IN THE BLUEPRINT ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE, IT SAYS THAT BY 2031 WE WANT 45% OF OUR MARYLAND HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATES TO HAVE COMPLETED THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL OF REGISTERED APPRENTICESHIP.

MEANING THEY ARE ON THE PATHWAY TO A CAREER.

>> Jeff: THANKS TO OUR GUESTS.

>> JIRNING US FOR MPT'S HBCU WEEK IS WAYNE FREDERICK THE PRESIDENT OF HOWARD UNIVERSITY.

SIR THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> YOU ARE SOON TO BE RETIRED PRESIDENT OF HOWARD UNIVERSITY AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.

YOU TOOK OVER THERE ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO.

IT WAS AN INSTITUTION WITH DIFFICULTIES.

I READ THAT YOU CALLED YOURSELF THE ROW LUCKTANT PRESIDENT.

TELL US ABOUT THAT TIME WHAT WERE THE CHALLENGES?

>> IT WAS A DIFFICULT TIME.

WE HAD FINANCIAL DIFFICULTIES I WOULD SAY WE HAD STRUCTURAL DEFICITS, ENROLLMENT WAS DROPPING OUR REVENUE EXTREMELY LOW.

WE HAD CRUMBLING BUILDINGS.

OUR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE WAS IN THE $750 MILLION RANGE WITH REPAIR AND BUDGET IN THE 2-4 MILLION RANGE.

IT WAS REALLY I WOULD SAY ON THE BRINK OF SIGNIFICANT DISASTER.

AS WELL, ONE OF THE VICE-CHAIRS OF THE BOARD WROTE A LETTER LEAKED TO THE PRESIDENT SUGGESTING THAT THE UNIVERSITY WOULDN'T BE AROUND IN ANOTHER THREE YEARS UNLESS WE MADE A CHANGE WHICH WAS UNFORTUNATE.

HE WAS MY BOSS WAS A GOOD MAN AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AND FIND SOLUTIONS.

WHAT I FOUND WAS VERY DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCE.

RETIRING AS PRESIDENT, THE INSTITUTION LOOKS A LOT DIFFERENT.

WHAT ARE YOU MOST PROUD OF?

>> I'M MOST PROUD THAT WE'VE RECOVERED OUR BELIEF IN OURSELVES.

THE OTHER THING I SAW WAS A DEFICIT OF CONFIDENCE.

IN WHO WE WERE.

AND IN AN INSTITUTION WITH SUCH A LEGACY, SUCH AN IMPORTANT AMERICAN INSTITUTION THAT WAS REALLY SAD TO SEE PEOPLE WALKING AROUND WITHOUT CONFIDENCE AND HOW GOOD WE WERE.

NOW, WE HAVE AN INSTITUTION THAT FINANCIALLY IS NOT JUST STABLE BUT DOING WELCOME BACK.

ENROLLMENT IS THE HIGHEST IT'S BEEN.

WE HAVE THE LARGEST CLASSES INCOMING.

WE'RE SENDING MORE AFRICAN-AMERICANS TO MEDICAL SCHOOL THAN ANYBODY ELSE IN THE COUNTRY.

AND YOU NEED TO HAVE AN INSTITUTION ON THE BRINK OF BEING NAMED ONE INSTITUTION IN MY OPINION OBVIOUSLY THE ENTERPRISE IS REALLY DOING EXCELLENT THINGS AND WE HAVE GREAT FACULTY THAT WE'VE HIRED.

WE ARE IN A BETTER PLACE AND I THINK SOME OF THE SWAG LIKE THE YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE TO SAY IS BACK.

>> Jeff: WELL, LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW THE HOSPITAL GOT ITS SWAG BACK.

THE INSTITUTION WHERE YOU TRAINED, I BELIEVE.

WAS IN FINANCIAL DIFFICULTY AND YOU'VE TURNED THAT AROUND AS WELL.

YOU ARE A SURGEON YOU NEEDED TO DO SURGERY THERE?

>> AND THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS I PROBABLY WAS SELECTED FOR THE JOB.

THE HOSPITAL WAS A BIG ISSUE.

AT THAT TIME IT REPRESENTED ABOUT A THIRD OF THE INCOME TO 40% OF THE INCOME COMING INTO THE UNIVERSITY.

THEREFORE IT RAN THE RISK OF DRAGGING THE UNIVERSITY DOWN IF IT WASN'T DOING WELL AND IT WASN'T.

OPERATIONS WERE NOT CLEAR ET CETERA.

I SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN HOSPITALS BOTH AS A PHYSICIAN AND A PATIENT.

GROWING UP I HAD CYCLE CELL AND I WAS HOSPITALIZED A LOT.

I UNDERSTAND HOSPITALS IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

I WENT ABOUT ASKING THE BOARD TO BUY ME TIME.

THE INTEREST WAS TO CLOSE THE HOSPITAL SELL IT.

AND I TOLD THEM GIVE ME TIME.

BROUGHT IN A CONSULTANT AND WORKED ON FIXING THE OPERATIONS DOING THE BLOCKING AND TACKLING AND IT IMPROVED.

WE ARE ENTERING OUR SIXTH YEAR IN THE BLACK.

SO THE HOSPITAL HAS REALLY BEEN DOING MUCH BETTER WE HAVE A PARTNER IN ADNAN SYED ADVANTAGE HEALTH AND THINGS THAT 10 YEARS AGO, I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SHOCKED IF SOMEBODY TOLD ME THIS IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN AS A RESULT.

>> Jeff: YOU'VE LAUNCHED AN $800 MILLION CAMPUS DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

WHAT ARE THE KEY COMPONENTS OF THAT?

>> THE KEY COMPONENTS ARE TO IMPROVE THE FACILITIES ALL AROUND THE CAMPUS.

AND THIS IS GOING TO TAKE EVERY ASPECT OF THE CAMPUS.

ACADEMIC BUILDINGS, WILL EITHER BE BRAND NEW OR FULLY RENOVATED.

WE STARTED FIRST WITH THE RESIDENCE HALLS.

WE HAVE NOW COMPLETED ALL BUT ONE RESIDENCE HALL HAS UNDERGONE A FULL RENOVATION ALL BRAND NEW IN THE PAST FIVE TO SIX YEARS AND NOW WE'RE ATTACKING THE CORE FACILITIES.

WE'VE RENOVATED THE BLACK MOON CENTER, THE DOUGLAS HALL WHERE WE HAVE CLASSROOM SPACES AS WELL, THE LIBRARY HAS BEEN RENOVATED AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO REBUILD OUR STEM CENTER AS WELL AS OUR HEALTH SCIENCES CENTER AS PART OF THE BUILDING A NEW COMMUNICATION AND ARTS BUILDING THAT WILL HELP IN THE FINE ARTS AND THE SCHOOL OF COMMUNICATION.

A LOT IS GOING TO HAPPEN ON THIS CAMPUS IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

>> Jeff: I READ THE PROFILE OF YOU IN A UNIVERSITY PUBLICATION WHERE IT QUOTED ONE OF YOUR MEDICAL COLLEAGUES BASICALLY SAYING I DIDN'T KNOW HE COULD SELL.

THEY DIDN'T SEARCH SALESMANSHIP IN MEDICAL SCHOOL.

HOW DID YOU, I GUESS OUT OF NECESSITY, ACQUIRE THOSE SKILLS?

>> YOU KNOW I'M STILL NOT SURE HOW GOOD A SALESMAN I AM.

IF YOU ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT SOMETHING THE SALE IS EASY.

AND I'M EXTREMELY PASSIONATE ABOUT HOWARD UNIVERSITY.

PLUS I FEEL I AM A PART OF IT.

I'VE BEEN AROUND THIS PLACE SINCE 1988 CAME HERE AS A 16-YEAROLD.

I KNOW IT WELL.

I CAN TALK ABOUT HOWARD VERSE ANY MY SLEEP.

MY ABILITY TO CAPTURE THE ESSENCE OF WHAT THIS INSTITUTION MEANS, NOT JUST TO ME BUT TO THE REST OF THE WORLD, I THINK HAS BEEN A KEY FACTOR SO WHEN I TALK TO DONORS ITH I THEY REALLY SEE AND FEEL MY PASSION FOR IT.

BUT I ALSO AM ABLE TO BRING THEM RESULTS THAT THEY CAN BE A PART OF.

>> Jeff: YOU MENTIONED YOUR CYCLE CELL TRAIT, I BRING IT UP BECAUSE YOUR MEDICAL RESEARCH IS FOCUSED ON HEALTHCARE DISPARITIES, DISPARITIES IN OUTCOMES PARTICULARLY FOR AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND PARTICULARLY WITH GI CANCERS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS RELATED TO SICKLE CELL WHAT HAVE YOU LEARNED ABOUT THAT PROBLEM AND HOW WE CAN ATTACK IT?

>> IT'S RELATED IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

I HAVE SICKLE CELL ANEMIA.

I HAVE THE DISEASE.

I HAVE TWO BAD GENES.

AND I'VE MET ANOTHER SURGEON WITH SICKLE CELL, I THINK I AM -- BECAUSE HOW UNIQUE HOWARD UNIVERSITY IS.

IT HAD A SICKLE CELL CENTER AND TOOK THE 16-YEAR-OLD KID AND MADE ME A SURGEON AND THE HOWARD PRESIDENT AND THAT TYPE OF CARE AND ATTENTION TO DETAIL, IS HOW WE CLOSE THE DISPARITIES THE DISPARITIES IN CANCERS ARE SIGNIFICANT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE DISPARITIES IN LIFE EXPECTANCY, A BLACK MALE HERE IN WASHINGTON D.C. IS LIKELY TO LIVE LESS THAN 22 YEARS OF A WHITE WOMAN IN WARD 3.

THOSE TYPES OF DISPARITIES UNDERPINNING THAT ARE CANCER CARE OUTCOMES.

WHAT I HAVE TRIED TO FOCUS ON IS HOW DO WE GET PEOPLE ACCESS TO CARE, HOW DO WE GET THEM FOCUSED ON PREVENTION AND TO ENSURE AS WE DO THAT WE WILL GET BETTER HEALTHCARE OUTCOMES.

>> Jeff: AND SMALL NUMBER OF HBCUS THAT HAVE MEDICAL SCHOOLS BUT, OF COURSE, GRADUATING MORE BLACK DOCTORS IS AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT IN MAKING SURE THAT PATIENTS MEMBERS OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY FEEL COMFORTABLE IN A MEDICAL SETTING, RIGHT?

>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO SEE A BLACK DOCTOR IF YOU ARE A BLACK PATIENT BUT YOU HAVE TO SEE A DOCTOR WHO HAS CULTURAL COMPETENCY.

EVERY MEDICAL CENTER AT HOWARD IS NOT BLACK.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE RECOGNIZE THE STUDENTS WHO ARE NOT BLACK ESPECIALLY THE WHITE STUDENTS THAT COME TO HOWARD UNIVERSITY LEAVE WITH A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE CULTURAL COMPETENCY AND THEY MAKE EXCELLENT PHYSICIANS ESPECIALLY IN COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY SERVE UNDERSERVED POPULATIONS.

>> Jeff: BROADLY YOUR THOUGHTS ON HBCU'S WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN AND WHERE THEY ARE AND WHERE THEY ARE HEADING.

SEEMS LIKE A RISINGS TIDE AT THE MOMENT.

>> LISTEN, HBCU'S WEREN'T IN EXISTENCE WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE REALITY.

THEY REALLY ARE NECESSARY IN OUR COUNTRY.

THE SUPREME COURT DECISION IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHY.

WE DO NOT HAVE A COMPLETE SOCIETY YET.

AND WHY WE HAVE MADE PROGRESS THE REALITY STILL IS HBCU'S GRADUATE 17% OF ALL AFRICAN-AMERICANS WITH BACKLER'S DEGREES DESPITE THE FACT WE REPRESENT 3% OF HIGHER-ED INSTITUTIONS.

HBCU'S ARE CRITICAL AND THE QUESTION NEEDS TO BE HOW EXCELLENT THEY ARE AND HOW WE CAN GET THEM TO BE STRONGER NOT WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD EXIST.

>> Jeff: LASTLY, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE FAMOUS FOR KEEPING LONG HOURS, NIGHTS, WEEKENDS, HOLIDAYS.

ARE YOU HUMIDITYING FOR A FULL -- HEADING FOR A FULL RETIREMENT?

WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS?

>> MY INTENT IS FULL RETIREMENT.

I HAVE AN 18-MONTH SABBATICAL AND I WILL TRAVEL WITH MY WIFE AND FAMILY RECONNECTING.

I HAVE A SON WHO IS IN COLLEGE PLAYING SOCCER.

ON A SCHOLARSHIP I WILL WATCH HIM AS A MATTER OF FACT I WILL TRY TO GET TO AS MANY GAMES AND MY DAUGHTER IS GETTING READY TO GO TO COLLEGE AND SHE PLAYS VOLLEYBALL I WILL TRY TO MAKE IT TO THE GAMES.

THE NEXT THING WILL HAVE TO COME TO ME AND IF IT DOESN'T I'M HAPPY OPERATING AND TEACHING MEDICAL STUDENTS.

>> Jeff: BACK AT HOWARD?

>> BACK AT HOWARD.

CORRECT.

>> Dr. WAYNE FREDERICK WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR RETIREMENT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

>> VISIT MPT.ORG/DONATE/HBCU FOR MORE INFORMATION ON HBCU WEEK WHICH BEGINS SEPTEMBER THE FOURTH.

>> Jeff: NOW WITH OUR SALUTE TO VETERANS HERE IS IS NANCY AMATTA.

>> GOING TO NORMANDY WAS ON MY BUCKET LIST BUT TO DO IT THIS WAY?

INCREDIBLE.

>> PETER SAYS HIS RECENT TRIP TO NORMANDY FRANCE WAS BEYOND HIS WILDEST DREAMS.

HE AND HIS SON WERE AMONG THE 45 SINGERS FROM THE CHORAL ARTS SOCIETY OF FREDERICK INVITED TO SING THE THE 79TH COMMEMORATION OF D-DAY.

THE CHOIR JOINED AMERICAN AND EUROPEAN PERFORMERS SELECTED TO SING IN HONOR OF THOSE WHO DIED AND FOUGHT FOR FREEDOM IN THE LARGEST NAVAL AIR AND LAND OPERATION IN HISTORY.

>> FOR THE MOST PART WE SANG ALL THE MUSIC MEMORIZED WHICH IS MUCH BETTER.

[*] >> DURING THEIR FOUR-DAY TOUR THEY HAD SEVERAL PERFORMANCES INCLUDING TWO TRIBUTE CEREMONIES AT THE AMERICAN CEMETERY AT BRITTANY THE FINAL RESTING PLACE FOR OVER 4,000 SOLDIERS WHO LOST THEIR LIVES DURING WORLD WHERE 2.

THE OTHER HIGHLIGHT WAS PERFORMING AT THE NORMANDY AMERICAN CEMETERY WHICH OVERLOOKS OMAHA BEACH.

>> WHEN WE WERE PERFORMING THERE WERE SO MANY THINGS THAT HAPPENED THAT FELT LIKE THE SUN CAME OUT WHEN WE STARTED SINGING AT ONE POINT AND SHAKING OF VETERAN'S HAND THAT STORMED NORMANDY WAS SURREAL.

[*] >> LEADING THE CHOIR AND CHOOSING THE CEREMONIAL MUSIC TO PERFORM WAS DIRECTOR LYNN.

>> IT REALLY IS MORE LIKE A MEMORIAL SERVICE.

IT IS NOT A CONCERT.

THE FEELING HAD TO BE THE TEXTS HAD TO REFLECT HONORING THOSE WHO HAD SERVED AND THOSE WHO HAD FALLEN AND THOSE WHO WERE ABLE STILL TO COME BACK.

>> REQUIRE MEMBERS SOME OF WHOM HAD FAMILY MEMBERS WHO SERVED IN WORLD WAR II.

>> IT WAS SO EMOTIONAL BECAUSE NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU REHEARSE OR YOU PICK MUSIC AND YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO MEAN, WHEN YOU ARE THERE IN THAT MOMENT AND LOOKING AT THOSE CROSSES THAT ALL REPRESENT SOMEBODY OF THE AGE OF THE SINGER NEXT TO YOU, YOU CAN'T BE UNEMOTIONAL ABOUT IT.

I CAN'T SAY IT WITHOUT GETTING EMOTIONAL.

>> THE TRIP WAS A CHANCE TO SEE HISTORY BOND WITH HIS DAD AND EXPERIENCE THE GIFT OF HONORING AND UPLIFTING OTHERS WITH SONG.

>> IT REALLY HELPS LIKE PUNISHIATE THE MOMENT AND TRY AND EXPRESS WHAT WAS GOING ON AND GIVE YOU A MOMENT TO REFLECT ON WHY WE'RE ALL HERE.

>> IT'S SOMETHING WE NEVER WILL -- WILL NEVER LEAVE THE FIBER FOR WHO WE ARE FROM THIS POINT ON.

>> AND THAT IS "STATE CIRCLE" FOR THIS WEEK.

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