>> "ALMANAC" IS A PRODUCTION OF TWIN CITIES PBS FOR THE STATIONS OF MINNESOTA PUBLIC TELEVISION ASSOCIATION.

BIG NIGHT OF POLITICS AHEAD ON THE SHOW.

REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR CANDIDATE SCOTT JENSEN IS HERE.

MAYOR CARTER AND HIS CHOICE FOR ST. PAUL POLICE CHIEF JOIN US AND MARY LAHAMMER HAS BEEN ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL AGAIN.

>> JUST DAYS TO GO IN WHAT'S EXPECTED TO BE A CLOSE IF NOT DIVIDED ELECTION, WE'LL HIGHLIGHT OUR FINAL FEW KEY RACES TO WATCH.

>> PEOPLE THINK THEY'VE SEEN NATURAL DISASTERS BEFORE, WAIT UNTIL REPUBLICANS GET IN CHARGE OF THIS STATE.

>> WE HAVE DEFINITELY SEEN A MOMENTUM IN OUR DIRECTION.

>> THAT'S COMING UP ON "ALMANAC."

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>> Eric: WELCOME TO THE FINAL ALMANAC BEFORE ELECTION DAY 2022.

SINCE 1 THE 97 WE HAVE HOSTED A GUBERNATORIAL DEBATE ON THE FINAL FRIDAY BEFORE MINNESOTANS HEAD TO THE POLLS, BUT GOVERNOR TIM WALZ DECLINED OUR DEBATE INVITATION THIS YEAR.

>> Cathy: HE DID.

WALZ IS THE ONLY GOVERNOR CANDIDATE TO SAY NO TO A DEBATE ON TWIN CITIES PBS SINCE WE BEGAN HOSTING CANDIDATE FORUMS IN 1986.

REPUBLICAN CHALLENGER SCOTT JENSEN DID AGREE TO DEBATE TONIGHT, WE WILL MEET WITH HIM ALONE FOR THE NEXT 10 MINUTES OR SO.

MY LAST INTERVIEW WITH DR. MIKE OSTERHOLM ON MPR A FEW WEEKS AGO, HE SAID OUR HEALTH SYSTEM IS HANGING BY A THREAD AND IF THERE IS A SEVERE FLU SEASON IT COULD COLLAPSE .

if you're Governor what could you do or would you do to address the problems within our health care system?

>> I THINK MIKE'S RIGHT.

I THINK THAT THE MEDICAL PROFESSION IS REALLY FRACTURED AND IF OUR MEDICAL PROFESSION IS FRACTURED I THINK THAT DOES, IF YOU WILL, ADD CONCERN TO THE FACT THAT OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IS HANGING BY A THREAD.

>> Eric: WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

>> I THINK WHAT I WOULD BE INCLINED TO DO IS WE'VE GOT TO START WITH RELATIONSHIPS, WE'VE GOT TO IF YOU WILL BUILD RELATIONSHIP WITH PATIENTS, LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY ARE THE CHAMPION OF THEIR OWN HEALTH CARE, PHYSICIANS AND HEALTH CARE SYSTEMS ARE GOING TO COME ALONGSIDE THEM AND HELP.

IN TERMS OF SPECIFICS, WE NEED TO ABSOLUTELY FOCUS ON WHAT ARE WE PAYING FOR PHARMACEUTICALS, LOW VALUE SERVICES ARE FAR TOO OFTEN ACHIEVED, AND WE.NET VERY LITTLE INFORMATION FROM THEM.

I THINK WHEN T COMES TO ACCESS AND AFFORDABILITY WE'VE GOT TO FOCUS ON THAT.

WE HAVE FIVE TO 10% OF MINNESOTANS THAT AREN'T COVERED BY ANY HEALTH INSURANCE SO WE HAVE PROBABLY HAVE ANOTHER 10 TO 20% WHO MAY HAVE COVERAGE BUT IT'S SO EXPENSIVE AND SO FAR OUT OF REACH THEY DARE NOT USE IT.

I THINK WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON THAT AS WELL.

I THINK THE TECHNOLOGY HAS TO BE MORE CAREFULLY WOVEN INTO OUR SYSTEM OF CARE.

OFTENTIMES WE ALLOW TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCES TO BE OVERUSED THAT DRIVES THE COST OF TREMENDOUSLY.

I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO EPIDEMICS WE'VE GOT TO DO A BETTER JOB NEXT TIME AROUND.

>> Cathy: BETTER JOB NEXT TIME AROUND IN WHAT RESPECT?

>> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE EPIDEMICS, IT'S STANDARD, WE'VE HAD FIVE OR FIX OUTBREAKS OF EBOLA THE LAST COUPLE YEARS AND WHEN AN EPIDEMIC BECOMES A PANDEMIC WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT SO WE NEED TO DO BETTER NEXT TIME.

>> Eric: YOU HAVE BEEN SAID TO HAVE BEEN OUT OF STEP ON COVID WITH MAINSTREAM MEDICINE.

>> I THINK YOU MEANT TO SAY I'VE BEEN AHEAD OF MY TIME.

>> Eric: OKAY.

I'LL STICK WITH WHAT I SAID AND YOU CAN STICK WITH WHAT YOU SAID.

IS THERE SOME OTHER PART OF MEDICINE YOU ARE OUT OF STEP WITH KIND OF THE MAINSTREAM PHILOSOPHY ON MEDICINE?

>> I WOULD THINK SO, YES, I THINK I'VE BEEN SKEPTICAL OF BIG PHARMA, I THINK THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN BIG PHARMA AND BIG GOVERNMENT IS PROBLEMATIC.

IN 2008 THE NEWLY LAUNCHED DRUGS RETAILING $250,000 WAS LIKE 9% AND NOW IT'S CLOSER TO 45%, I READ AN ARTICLE IN THE JOURNAL OF AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION.

BIG PHARMA IS INCREDIBLY POWERFUL.

THEY SELL THEIR PRODUCTS TO PHYSICIANS I THINK TOO OFTEN PHYSICIANS SAY, OKAY, WE'RE ON BOARD.

I THINK WE'VE SEEN PHYSICIANS WERE INDEED -- >> Cathy: ARE YOU MORE SKEPTICAL ABOUT MAINSTREAM MEDICATIONS?

>> I THINK WE USE TOO MANY PILLS.

I THINK FINALLY WE SAW SCREENING TESTS THAT SAID, OKAY, IF YOU'RE OVER 75 DON'T DO COLONOSCOPIES, IF YOU'RE OVER 80 AND HAVEN'T BEEN ON A STATIN DRUG FOR CHOLESTEROL YOU SHOULDN'T BE USING THEM AT THAT POINT.

WE HAVE ALLOWED RESEARCH TO BE PAID BY BIG PHARMA.

AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS WE START USING AS PHYSICIANS MORE PILLS, MORE DRUGS OFTENTIMES WHEN YOU TAKE 25 PILLS A DAY IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY HARD TO HAVE A HEALTHY APPETITE AND WE DON'T NEED TO WONDER WHY A PERSON'S LOSING WEIGHT.

>> Eric: LET'S TALK ABOUT K12 FOR A SECOND AND SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM, VOUCHER PROGRAM HOWEVER YOU WANT TO LABEL IT.

IN SLEEPY EYE WHERE YOU'RE FROM THERE'S HE SLEEPY EYE PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND THERE'S ST. MICHAEL'S.

>> ST. MARY'S.

>> Eric: OKAY, SORRY.

IN YOUR VOUCHER PLAN, SCHOLARSHIP PLAN, WHAT WOULD THE BALANCE BE IN SLEEPY EYE BETWEEN THE PUBLIC SCHOOL AND PRIVATE SCHOOL?

>> WELL, RIGHT NOW I THINK WHEN I GRADUATED FROM THERE IT WAS APPROXIMATELY EQUAL.

IN TERMS OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE ALLOW -- IF WE START FUNDING KIDS INSTEAD OF BROKEN INSTITUTIONS.

>> Eric: IN YOUR HOMETOWN.

>> IT WOULD JUST BE A GUESS BUT I THINK SOME PEOPLE WOULD AVAIL THEMSELVES OF IT JUST LIKE SOME PEOPLE USE POSTSECONDARY ENROLLMENT OPTIONS, SOME PEOPLE USE OPEN ENROLLMENT OPTIONS.

IT WOULD BE BASICALLY I THINK AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PARENTS TO SAY, OKAY, I GET TO DIRECT MY CHILD TO GET THE EDUCATION WHERE I THINK THEY'LL MATCH UP THE BEST.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO MEAN TO A SPECIFIC SCHOOL DISTRICT.

>> Cathy: DO YOU REALLY THINK EDUCATION BY THE WAY IS A BLACK HOLE?

PUBLIC EDUCATION IS A BLACK HOLE?

-- BOARD MEMBER.

>> I THINK PERHAPS PEOPLE USE BLACK HOLE DIFFERENTLY.

MY WIFE AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT AT HOME, WE CALL IT A BLACK HOLE.

REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH MONEY, HOW MANY REMODELING PROJECTS WE'VE DONE, WE'RE ALWAYS PUTTING MORE MONEY, SO OUR HOUSE IS A BLACK HOLE.

I THINK NO MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY YOU THROW AT EDUCATION IT ISN'T GOING TO NECESSARILY GET THE ESULT YOU WANT.

WHEN I WAS IN THE SENATE BOTH TIMES I VOTED TO INCREASE FUNDING FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION, AND I WOULD AGAIN.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CUT EDUCATION, THIS IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.

YOU CAN REDEPLOY HE DOLLARS, WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF GETTING DOLLARS IN THE CLASSROOM WITH THE TEACHERS.

IF YOU LOOK AT GRAPHS SHOWING WHAT'S HAPPENED TO OUR EXPENSES THE ADMINISTRATIVE AND COLLATERAL COSTS TO EDUCATION HAVE RISEN DRAMATICALLY BUT IF YOU LOOK AT TEACHERS IN THE CLASSROOM IT'S FLAT.

I THINK WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN WE'RE DOING THE JOB AND WE'VE GOT TO ASK OURSELVES DO WE HAVE AN EDUCATION SYSTEM JUST TO HAVE A SYSTEM?

OR ARE WE DOING AN EDUCATION SYSTEM BECAUSE WE WANT OUR KIDS TO LEARN HOW TO READ, WRITE, DO ARITHMETIC AND GET A FOUNDATIONAL EDUCATION, HAT'S WHY I THINK PARENTS ARE SO UPSET WITH WHAT'S GOING ON.

THEY DON'T WANT CRITICAL RACE THEORY AND THEY WANT TO KNOW THAT THEIR KIDS ARE BEING TAUGHT THE BASICS.

>> Cathy: I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ACTUALLY TEACHING CRITICAL RACE THEORIES IN SCHOOLS, THOUGH.

>> I THINK THAT COULD BE DEBATED BUT I'LL GIVE YOU THAT.

>> Cathy: I'M WONDERING, YOU WANT PARENTS TO REVIEW THE CURRICULUM, AS A FORMER SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER I COULD HEAR MAYBE SOME OF YOUR TEACHERS IN YOUR FORMER SCHOOL DISTRICT SAYING WHAT THE HECK?

WOULDN'T THAT BOG THINGS DOWN IN THE CLASSROOM IF PARENTS REVIEWED THE CURRICULUM?

>> NOT IN THE LEAST, I WAS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD TEN YEARS AND CHAIR THREE OF THOSE YEARS AND IF THE PEOPLE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE CURRICULUM WAS, OUR TEACHERS SHOWED IT TO THEM, THERE WAS NEVER ANY SECRECY AT ALL.

WE TALKED ABOUT BLOCK SCHEDULING, WE HAD OPEN DISCUSSIONS AND OPEN WORKSHOPS.

I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE ANY SECRECY, THE KIDS BELONG TO THE PARENTS, NOT TO THE GOVERNMENT AND NOT TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.

>> Eric: NOW, YOU WENT ON A RIDEALONG WITH POLICE THIS PAST WEEK.

YOU SAID ONE OF THE CALLS YOU MADE WAS ON A MENTAL HEALTH SITUATION.

>> NO, IT WAS ON A FELONY SITUATION.

BUT THE MENTAL HEALTH ASPECTS THAT CREPT INTO THAT SITUATION WERE REMARKABLE.

>> Eric: WHERE ARE YOU ON MAYBE HELPING THE POLICE LIGHTEN THEIR LOAD BY DOING SOME PREVENTION STUFF AND MORE JUST INSTEAD OF JUST GET TOUGH, A MORE BROAD APPROACH?

>> I THINK THERE'S NUMEROUS POLICE DEPARTMENTS WHO RECOGNIZE IF THEY COULD HAVE MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORT IN REAL-TIME THAT THAT WOULD HELP THEM DO THEIR JOB.

WE'RE ASKING THE POLICE TO ENFORCE THE LAW, MAKE THE ARREST, KEEP US SAFE.

BUT WE'RE ALSO ASKING THEM TO BE, IF YOU WILL SOCIAL WORKER.

WHAT ABOUT THE THREE KIDS IN THE BACK SEAT THAT ARE SCREAMING AND HOLLERING?

IF THE POLICE PERSON IS GOING TO FULLY ADMINISTER THE LAW THOSE THREE KIDS HAVE TO BE TAKEN CARE OF AS WELL AND IF IT'S 11 AT NIGHT AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY FACILITIES IN WHICH TO PUT THEM THIS IS PRETTY DARN DISRUPTIVE SO ALL OF A SUDDEN THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE JUGGLING A LOT OF BALLS RIGHT THERE IN REAL-TIME AND THEY'RE BEING JUDGED VERY CRITICALLY AND I THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM AND I THINK THAT'S WHY THE MINNESOTA POLICE AND PEACE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION ENDORSED ME AND MATT BIRK UNANIMOUSLY.

>> Cathy: ABORTION, I KNOW YOU'VE AID ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL THIS IS A SETTLED ISSUE AND IT'S OF COURSE PROTECTED UNDER THE MINNESOTA STATE CONSTITUTION.

BUT IF YOU'RE GOVERNOR AND IF THERE WERE A REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED LEGISLATURE ENACTS LEGISLATION THAT WOULD RESTRICT ABORTION I BET YOU'D PROBABLY SIGN THOSE ILLS, AM I RIGHT?

>> WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT?

I SAID IT PUBLICLY, I THINK I SAID AT THE STATE FAIR.

>> Cathy: REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED LEGISLATURE WOULD SEND YOU A BILL.

>> THAT WOULD BAN ABORTION?

I SAID AT THE STATE FAIR I'M NOT GOING TO SIGN THAT, IT'S ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

I'D GO FURTHER THAN THAT.

AS A FAMILY PHYSICIAN WHO'S DELIVERED HUNDREDS OF BABIES THIS IS AN IMPORTANT TO SAY TO US TO WOMEN WE'RE GOING TO COME ALONGSIDE YOU AND GOING TO HAVE BIRTH CONTROL PILLS OVER THE COUNTER, $10, GREASE THE SKIDS IN TERMS OF ADOPTION PROCEEDINGS, HARSHER CRIMES FOR CRIMES THAT TARGET WOMEN SUCH AS CARJACKING AND RAPE.

I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE FOR WOMEN AND HELPING THEM.

FRANKLY IT'S A SETTLE NOW FOR LAW AND I THINK THE ONLY WAY OUR LAW CHANGES IN MINNESOTA IS THROUGH CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.

>> Eric: THE OTHER NIGHT IN GOLDEN VALLEY YOU OPENED YOUR SPEECH WITH QUOTING THE BOOK OF ESTHER.

>> I DID.

>> Eric: MATT BIRK SAID YOU AND HE REALLY APPRECIATE THE PRAYERS THAT PEOPLE HAVE GIVEN THE TICKET.

WHAT ROLE IF ANY WILL RELIGION PLAY IN A JENSEN ADMINISTRATION?

>> RELIGION PLAYS A HUGE ROLE IN EVERY WAKING HOUR OF MY LIFE.

ESTHER 4:14, SUCH A TIME AS THIS, HOLD FAST TO THE BRIEFS YOU PROFESS.

I WOULD NEVER WANT TO OPERATE WITHOUT FAITH AT MY SIDE.

>> Eric: WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO OTHER RELIGION THAT'S COME TO MINNESOTA?

>> I'VE ALWAYS BEEN AN ECUMENICIST.

WE EVEN PLAYED BASKETBALL AGAINST CATHOLIC PRIEST CANDIDATES.

SO WHEN YOU ASK MINORITY COMMUNITIES, WHEN YOU ASK PEOPLE THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY THE SAME RELIGIOUS PERSUASION YOU ARE, YOU SAY WHAT REALLY MATTERS TO YOU, I WANT TO ELEVATE MY FAITH, I WANT TO TAKE CARE OF MY AMILY, I WANT TO FEEL FREE, I WANT LESS GOVERNMENT, I UNDERSTAND GOVERNMENT HAS A ROLE.

WE WANT THE SAME THINGS.

I WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO ELEVATE THEIR FAITH, CELEBRATE THEIR FAITH WITHOUT IF YOU WILL RIDICULE FROM ANYONE ELSE.

>> Cathy: I NOTICED THAT WHEN FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP ENDORSED YOU, YOU KIND OF SOFT PEDALED IT A LITTLE BIT.

WHY WAS THAT?

>> WE MADE A DECISION WE WERE NOT GOING TO SEEK ENDORSEMENTS FROM POLITICAL LEADERS.

WE WANTED SMALL BUSINESS ASSOCIATIONS, WE WANTED ENDORSEMENTS FROM MINNESOTA POLICE AND PEACE OFFICER ASSOCIATION AND WE GOT THAT.

WE WANTED TO GET ENDORSEMENTS FROM GROUPS THAT WE THOUGHT WE REALLY STOOD STRONG FOR.

IN TERMS OF POLITICAL LEADERS WHAT THAT HAS HE POTENTIAL O DO IS POTENTIALLY DISTRACT MINNESOTA.

WE HAVE TRULY A MINNESOTA ELECTION.

IT HAS ITS OWN NUANCES AND THAT'S WHY WE WEREN'T LOOKING FOR THOSE.

>> Eric: YOUR STANCE ON LGBTQ ISSUES?

>> I THINK I'VE BEEN ENDORSED BY THE LOG CABIN REPUBLICANS AND I THINK WE'VE HAD ADS IN THE LAVENDER MAGAZINE SO I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANY POSITION TO HAVE.

I MEAN, WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER AND I SUPPORT THEM.

>> Eric: WHAT WILL MATT BIRK DO IN YOUR ADMINISTRATION?

>> MATT HAS I THINK A REMARKABLE CHARACTER.

HE'S DETERMINED.

HE HAS A DEGREE IN ECONOMICS, HE BRINGS TO THE TABLE SKILLS THAT I DON'T HAVE, EXPERTISE THAT I DON'T HAVE.

I THINK HE'LL BE VERY INVOLVED IN EDUCATION, THE ECONOMICS, JOBS, POTENTIALLY TRYING TO CREATE ENTERPRISE ZONES AS WELL AS PUBLIC AFETY.

>> Cathy: SAY, I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THIS, THE COMMISSION ON JUDICIAL SELECTION WAS REATED BY GOVERNOR JESSE VENTURA.

THEY VET AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR JUDICIAL CANDIDATES, GOVERNOR GETS TO MAKE THE FINAL DECISION.

WOULD YOU KEEP THE COMMISSION OR PICK YOUR OWN JUDGES?

>> I THINK KEEP THE COMMISSION, BUT PERHAPS THE IMPORTANT QUESTION IS WHEN WE MAKE OUR DECISION ABOUT JUDGES I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOT HAVE ANY SINGULAR LITMUS TEST.

>> Eric: WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

ALL THE BEST.

>> YEAH.

THANK YOU.

♪♪ >> WELL, NOW IT'S 1998, AND THE AMERICAN DREAM LIVES ON IN MINNESOTA.

[ CROWD CHEERING ] >> CROWD CHANTING: JESSE!

JESSE!

NOTE NOTE >> Eric: ST. PAUL MAYOR MELVIN CARTER HAS MADE HIS CHOICE FOR POLICE CHIEF.

IT'S A 24-YEAR DEPARTMENT VETERAN AND LIFELONG ST. PAUL RESIDENT.

COMMANDER AXEL HENRY WILL FACE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL AS A LAST STEP BEFORE BECOMING CHIEF.

MAYOR CARTER AND COMMANDER HENRY JOIN US.

WELCOME TO YOU BOTH.

MAYOR,, THE HOMETOWN CONNECTION, HOW IMPORTANT WAS THAT IN THIS ELECTION?

>> IT'S REALLY SIGNIFICANT.

AND TO BE CLEAR WE HAD FIVE INCREDIBLE CANDIDATES.

WE WERE VERY PROUD TO HAVE THAT PROBLEM TO FACE AS A CITY.

FOUR OF WHICH CAME WITHIN THE ST. PAUL POLICE DEPARTMENT WHICH ODES VERY WELL TO BE ABLE TO DO A NATIONAL SEARCH AND HAVE FOUR OR FIVE FINALISTS COMING FROM WITHIN OUR VERY OWN ST. PAUL POLICE DEPARTMENT.

IN COMMANDER HENRY WE SAW VERY DEEP ST. PAUL ROOTS, FOCUS ON DATA DRIVEN CRIME REPREVENTION, DATA DRIVEN PUBLIC SAFETY EFFORTS AND WE SAW SOMEBODY WHO FOR THE BETTER PART OF THE LAST COUPLE OF DECADES HAS BEEN ON THE FOREFRONT OF KEEPING ST. PAUL POLICE DEPARTMENT SORT OF ON THE CUTTING EDGE OF THE FUTURE OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND NOT SORT OF JUST REINVESTING IN THE PAST.

>> Cathy: I HEAR YOU'RE A PROUD GRADUATE OF ST. PAUL CENTRAL.

>> THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

>> Cathy: THAT'S RIGHT.

OKAY.

WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO BE A ST. PAUL BOY LEADING THE ST. PAUL POLICE DEPARTMENT?

>> WELL, WE ERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO SUGGEST THAT YOU HAVE TO BE, LIVE HERE TO BE SUCCESSFUL HERE BUT I THINK GROWING UP IN A CITY THAT HELPED RAISE ME GIVES ME A SPECIAL UNDERSTANDING OF THE POTENTIAL FOR WHAT THIS CITY IS AND IT GIVES YOU A REAL APPRECIATION FOR WHAT MOLDS FOLKS THAT ROW UP HERE.

AND I THINK THAT ALLOWS FOR A SPECIAL CONNECTION THAT I'M SUPER PROUD OF.

>> Cathy: SAY, BY THE WAY, HOW MANY OFFICERS -- POLICE DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE STRUGGLING, THEY'VE HAD OFFICERS QUIT OR RETIRE, THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND NEVERS.

HOW MANY OFFICERS ARE YOU DOWN IN THE DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW?

>> I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD BUT IT'S RIGHT AROUND 50 WE'RE SHORT FOR PERMANENT AUTHORIZED.

WE'RE WORKING REALLY HARD TO FILL THAT VOID AND RECRUIT OUT THERE AND IF ANYBODY'S WATCHING AND THEY WANT TO AVE A GREAT CAREER IN SERVICE COME TO ST. PAUL.

>> Cathy: WHAT'S YOUR PITCH?

WHERE DO YOU REACH INTO NOW, WHAT POOLS DO YOU REACH INTO TO TRY TO FIND RECRUITS?

>> ALL OF THEM.

WE'RE OUT LOOKING AROUND, BUT A BIG DRIVE FOR US IN THE CITY IS WE WANT TO DEVELOP FOLKS THAT ARE FROM HERE AND CAN COME WORK HERE AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU I'M NOT REALLY WORRIED, COME WORK FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FIRST, IF YOU WANT TO JOIN PARKS AND REC LIKE I WAS AND WORK YOUR WAY UP.

>> Eric: AS YOU PREPARE THE NEXT BUDGET, YOU HAVE TO APPROVE THAT NEXT MONTH FOR 2023 ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES THAT THE NEW CHIEF'S GOING TO HAVE IN THE BUDGET?

>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW I'D SAY I'M SATISFIED WITH ANY OF THE RESOURCES FOR ANYTHING AS A CITY.

THERE'S ALWAYS NEW NEEDS AND NEW THINGS KIND OF BUBBLING FOR US.

I AM SATISFIED THAT WE'RE WORKING HARD TO RECRUIT THOSE RECRUITS THAT COMMANDER HENRY DESCRIBED.

FRANKLY RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT THE BUDGET THERE TO HIRE MORE POLICE OFFICERS.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE ABLE TO GIVE THE INVITATION THAT COMMANDER HENRY JUST DID.

>> Eric: YOU LED THE ROLLOUTS OF THE BODY CAMS FOR OFFICERS.

WHAT'S THE REPORT ON THAT, SUCCESS RATE, FAILURE RATE?

HOW'S IT WORKED?

>> WELL, I'LL TELL YOU THE KEY I THINK TO OUR SUCCESS THERE, OBVIOUSLY WE HAD THE CHANGE MANAGEMENT INSIDE THE DEPARTMENT WAS E DID SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE REST OF THE COUNTRY.

WE ENGAGED OUR COMMUNITY FIRST.

OUR ATTITUDE WAS IF THE BODY CAMERA IS SUPPOSED TO BE BUILD TRUST WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT THE PROCESS WE USE TO GET THERE CAN BE EQUALLY POWERFUL.

THAT'S WHY MOST FOLKS DON'T HAVE ANY RECOLLECTION OF ANY AFTERPATH FROM OUR PROGRAM.

OUR COMMUNITY WAS ON BOARD WITH US FROM THE FRONT.

NAACP WERE ACTUALLY GROUPS HELPING US WRITE POLICY, TESTING THEM THEY LEGISLATURE THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO HAVE A PROGRAM THAT WOULD FIT ST. PAUL NEEDS SPECIFICALLY.

>> Cathy: WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CHOSE COMMANDER HENRY BECAUSE OF HIS FORWARD THINKING APPROACH TO THE JOB.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>> IT MEANS A WHOLE LOT.

WE ALWAYS SAY IN ST. PAUL WE KNOW THAT EMERGENCY RESPONSE, THAT PUBLIC SAFETY ISN'T JUST ABOUT GETTING THERE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AFTER SOMETHING TERRIBLE HAS HAPPENED.

IT'S ABOUT MAKING THE TYPES OF INVESTMENTS, INTERVENTIONS TO REDUCE THE LIKELIHOOD THAT SOMETHING TERRIBLE HAPPENS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

ONE THING THAT WAS A BIG DEAL FOR ME IS COMMANDER LENRY'S LEADERSHIP FOR EXAMPLE TO CREATE A BLUEPRINT FOR SAFETY IN ST. PAUL.

WHICH IS A FUNDAMENTAL SHIFT IN THE WAY WE OTH RESPOND TO AND INTERVENE TO PREVENT ESCALATION OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SITUATIONS, SO BEING ABLE TO GET ON THE FRONTED END AND THROUGH DATA DRIVEN LENS TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF TIMES TERRIBLE THINGS HAPPEN IN OUR CITY IN THE FIRST PLACE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US.

>> Cathy: WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPAND ON THAT?

>> YEAH, HE'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

WE NEED TO CREATE SYSTEMS THAT WORK WHERE WE INTERLINK EVERYTHING TOGETHER.

AND SO LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, WITH THE BLUEPRINT FOR SAFETY WE'VE LINKED UP ALL THESE DIFFERENT GROUPS.

IT'S THE CONNECTIONS AND RELATIONSHIPS ACROSS THE BOARD THAT ALLOW US WHEN EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME PAGE AND UNDERSTAND THINGS AND WHY WE'RE DOING IT, WE'RE WORKING IN HARMONY WITH THE COMMUNITY AS OPPOSED TO THIS IS THE POLICE'S IDEA AND WE'RE GOING TO DROP IT ON THE COMMUNITY.

BUT WE BRING THE COMMUNITY IN AND MAKE A SYSTEM TOGETHER WHERE EVERYONE'S INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS AND HAS INPUT IN THE PROCESS WE GET OUTCOMES THAT WORK.

WE KNOW THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WORK.

>> Cathy: MAYOR, WHAT WOULD YOU DO DIFFERENTLY TO ADDRESS GUN VIOLENCE >> GOOD NEWS IS WE'VE STARTED THAT.

WE HAVE PROGRAMS UNDER THE DEPARTMENT THAT WORK UNDER THE UMBRELLA.

NEWLY FORMED OFFICE OF NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY AND THAT'S DINED TO DO THREE IMPORTANT THINGS, PREVENTION, INTERVENTION AND ENFORCEMENT.

OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE POLICE THAT'S THE ENFORCEMENT PIECE BUT WE SUPPORT THE OTHER TWO PIECES.

I ALWAYS SAY THE ENFORCEMENT IS LIKE THE BRONZE MEDAL.

IF YOU CAN PREVENT A CRIME YOU'RE MUCH HAPPIER IF I PREVENT SOMEBODY FROM BURGLARIZING YOURSELF.

INTERVENTION WE CAN INTERVENE AND GET SOMEBODY ON THE RIGHT PATH.

THAT'S SILVER.

AND IF WE HAVE TO ENFORCE, WE'VE DONE THAT AND WILL DO THAT.

>> Eric: WHAT HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THE POLITICAL DISCOURSE ON CRIME AND PUBLIC SAFETY?

DO YOU THINK IT'S MISGUIDED, SIMPLISTIC?

>> I THINK THE REAL QUESTION WE HAVE TO ASK URSELVES IS WHERE DO WE COME IN COMMON?

EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE SAFE, THAT'S A BIPARTISAN ISSUE.

THE FACT WE'LL BE DEBATING THE ISSUE OF SAFETY ESPECIALLY COMMUNITY SAFETY IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE ALL COMING AROUND AND COALESCING AROUND, NOT ARGUING ABOUT IT.

>> Eric: HE'S GOT THE VOTES ON THE COUNCIL, RIGHT?

>> WELL, WE'VE HAD I THINK FIVE OF SEVEN CITY COUNCIL MEMBER WHO ATTENDED THE ANNOUNCEMENTS SO WE'RE HOPEFUL ABOUT THAT.

>> Eric: COME BACK AND VISIT US, COMMANDER.

>> Cathy: WE WISH YOU WELL.

THANKS SO MUCH.

>> Eric: QUICK NOTE BEFORE WE HEAD ACROSS THE STUDIO MINNEAPOLIS IS ALSO CHANGING LEADERSHIP IN ITS POLICE DEPARTMENT.

EARLIER THIS WEEK, THE MINNEAPOLIS CITY COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY CONFIRMED BRIAN O'HARA AS THE NEW M.P.D.

CHIEF.

O'HARA'S FIRST DAY ON THE JOB IS NEXT MONDAY AND WE HOPE TO VISIT WITH HIM IN THE COMING WEEKS.

♪♪ >> Cathy: THE WINTER FLU SEASON IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, RESPECT RSV CASES ARE ON THE RISE AND THERE ARE INDICATORS THAT COVID CASES ARE GOING UP AS WELL, SLOWLY.

ALL OF THIS AS PEOPLE BEGIN SPENDING MORE TIME INDOORS WITH THE RETURN OF COLDER WEATHER.

DR. MIKE OSTERHOLM IS HERE TO EPHAD US SORT THIS OUT AS HE HAS DONE NEARLY MONTHLY SINCE THE COVID PANDEMIC BEGAN IN EARLY 2020.

OSTERHOLM HEADS THE CENTER FOR INFECTIOUS DISEASE RESEARCH AND POLICY AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA.

WELCOME BACK.

>> THANK YOU, CATHY.

BEFORE WE START I HAVE TO JUST ACKNOWLEDGE SOMETHING THAT RELATES TO EARLIER IN THE SHOW.

YOU NOTED ABOUT THE GUBERNATORIAL DEBATES.

IT WAS 32 YEARS AGO, THE FRIDAY NIGHT BEFORE THE ELECTION THAT I WAS THE INTERVIEW THAT PRECEDED THE FAMOUS DEBATE BETWEEN PAUL WELLSTONE AND RUDY BOSCHWITZ, I REMEMBER SITTING IN THE STUDIO NOT LEAVING AND WATCHING THAT 32 YEARS AGO.

IT IS TRUE, YOU'VE HAD REMARKABLE DEBATES OVER THE YEARS.

>> Cathy: IT REALLY IS SOMETHING.

WE WISH WE WOULD HAVE HAD THE DEBATE BETWEEN SCOTT JENSEN AND GOVERNOR WALZ TONIGHT.

HEY, LET ME ASK YOU BOUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE HEADING INTO A TRIPLE HEADER WHEN IT COMES TO THE FLU SEASON APPEARS TO BE ON ITS WAY.

TWO PEOPLE HAVE DIED IN MINNESOTA.

PRETTY EARLY.

YOU'VE GOT THE RSV VIRUS SPREADING ACROSS THE YOUNGER COHORT AND WE STILL HAVE COVID.

ARE YOU -- WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S EASIER FOR ME IGHT NOW TO TRY AND RUN ACROSS I-94 WITHOUT GETTING HIT AS OPPOSED TO GIVING A PREDICTION IN THAT I HAVE TO SAY I DON'T THINK ANY OF US REALLY KNOW.

REMEMBER THROUGH THE COURSE OF THE COVID PANDEMIC WE SAW VERY LITTLE FLU AND RSV ACTIVITY AND WE BELIEVE THAT IN PART WAS BECAUSE THE COVID VIRUS PRESENCE ACTUALLY SUPPRESSED THAT.

NOW WE SEE ALL THREE REALLY PRESENT AND CREATING SOME REAL CHALLENGES.

SO IT'S REALLY AN UNCHARTED TERRITORY AS FAR AS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

I THINK NUMBER ONE COVID MAY GO UP WITH THESE NEW SUBVARIANTS.

THE ONES THAT ARE HIGHLY IMMUNE EVASIVE OR ABLE TO EVADES PROTECTION FROM VACCINES OR PREVIOUS INFECTION.

IF YOU LOOK AT COUNTRIES LIKE FRANCE WHERE WE'VE SEEN THESE SUBVARIANTS TAKE OFF, WE'VE NOT SEEN THE COMMENSURATE INCREASE IN HUMAN CASES, PARTICULARLY HOSPITALIZATIONS AND DEATHS.

SO I THINK WE DON'T NOW MODE WITH COVID.

NUMBER TWO IS WITH RSV, WE'RE ALREADY THERE.

WE'VE GONE FROM 10 TO 20 HOSPITALIZATIONS A DAY FOR RSV A MONTH AGO TO OVER 180 A DAY RIGHT NOW.

AND IT IS SURELY CHALLENGING, PARTICULARLY OUR PEDIATRIC CARE SETTING IN THE STATE.

AND I THINK THEN WHERE WE GO FROM THAT WITH INFLUENZA IS UNCLEAR.

THE SOUTHERN UNITED STATES AND THE SOUTHEASTERN PART SURELY ARE SEEING BIG INCREASES IN FLU WITH H3N2 IN YOUNG KIDS AND OLDER ADULTS AGAIN, WE'RE NOW JUST BEGINNING TO SEE IT HERE IN THE UPPER MIDWEST.

WILL ALL THREE OF THESE VIRUSES DO WELL TOGETHER?

I DON'T KNOW.

COULD ONE OF THEM BECOME THE DOMINANT RESPIRATORY PATHOGEN AND OTHER TWO FADE AWAY?

SURELY POSSIBLE.

SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ANYBODY WHO TELLS YOU WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, E CAREFUL BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY HAVE A BRIDGE TO SELL YOU TOO.

>> Eric: IMPACT OF THE LATEST BOOSTER, I THINK PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS SUPPOSED TO GIVE AN UPDATE AND REPORT OF HOW IT'S GOING.

DO WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT?

>> REMEMBER, THERE'S TWO ASPECTS ABOUT THE BOOSTER THAT ARE IMPORTANT.

IT GOES BACK TO THE LAST DISCUSSION ON WHAT I CALL THE LAST MILE AND LAST INCH ISSUES.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAST BIVAILENT BOOSTER IT, PRODUCES MORE ANTIBODY THAN THE PREVIOUS VACCINE DID.

WHAT THAT MEANS AT 60 DAYS, 90 DAYS, 108 DAYS OUT WE DON'T KNOW YET.

AT LEAST THAT'S GOOD NEWS WITH WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW.

THE CHALLENGE IS GETTING THE NEEDLE IN PEOPLE'S ARMS.

THAT'S THE LAST INCH I TALK ABOUT.

AND RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT 39% OF THE MINNESOTA POPULATION OVER AGE 65 THAT HAVE HAD THAT DOSE AND YET WE KNOW THAT THAT CAN BE VERY IMPORTANT IN REDUCING HOSPITALIZATIONS, SERIOUS ILLNESSES.

PLEASE GET THOSE BOOSTER DOSES.

IF YOU LOOK AT EVERYONE ELIGIBLE TO GET THE VACCINE IN MINNESOTA ONLY 12% HAVE GOTTEN THE BOOSTER DOSE AND NATIONWIDE THE NUMBERS ARE EVEN WORSE.

SO WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THAT WHILE THIS VACCINE SURELY IS AN IMPORTANT STEP IN TERMS OF REDUCING SERIOUS ILLNESS, HE PUBLIC'S DONE.

THEY'RE NOT GETTING IT.

AND I THINK THAT'S A COST THAT COULD BE VERY SUBSTANTIAL DOWN THE ROAD FOR NOT HAVING GOTTEN VACCINATED.

>> Cathy: SO I WANT TO O BACK TO FLU FOR JUST A SECOND IF I COULD.

>> SURE.

>> Cathy: THE FACT THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE GOING UP IS IT BECAUSE OF WHATEVER REASON THE FLU SEASON ARRIVED EARLY?

OR IS THE VACCINE TARGETED TO THE RIGHT STRAIN?

>> WELL, IN FACT EVERYTHING IS EARLY RIGHT NOW.

AND IF YOU ACTUALLY TAKE ONE STEP BACK, YOU'VE BEEN READING ABOUT IN THE MEDIA OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, A SHORTAGE OF AMOXICILLIN, A TYPE OF ANTIBIOTIC WE OFTEN USE WHEN CHILDREN GET SECONDARY INFECTIONS WITH THEIR RSV INFECTION.

WE GET A LOT OF PRESCRIPTIONS FOR THAT.

THIS HAPPENS TO BE ONE OF THOSE ONES THAT'S NOT BECAUSE SOMEHOW PRODUCTION IN CHINA IS FAILING US, AMAXIMUM SILLAN IS READILY AVAILABLE IN COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD, IT'S JUST THAT THE EARLY WINTER HIT WAS SO SUBSTANTIAL, NOT JUST IN THE UNITED STATES, BUT OTHER COUNTRIES TOO, THAT MANUFACTURING WAS NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE UNEXPECTED EARLY HIT.

SO, YES, THIS IS VERY DIFFERENT.

THAT'S NOT BECAUSE THE FLU STRAINS ARE THAT DIFFERENT.

THEY'VE ACTUALLY BEEN A PRETTY GOOD MATCH WITH THE VACCINE.

AGAIN, WHO'S GETTING VACCINATED?

AND IF YOU DO GET VACCINATED IT DOESN'T GUARANTEE OU DON'T GET INFECTED BUT IT CAN SURELY REDUCE HOSPITALIZATIONS AND DEATHS.

I THINK AGAIN THE MESSAGE IS THIS IS A VERY UNUSUAL YEAR, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> Eric: HOW DO YOU PUBLIC HEALTH FOLKS WORK AROUND THE BEEN THERE, DONE THAT ATTITUDE I SUPPOSE OF MOST OF AMERICA?

>> YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T EVER GIVE UP.

YOU JUST KEEP COMING BACK WITH THE SAME MESSAGE OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND TRYING TO POINT OUT WHY.

YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF MANDATING THIS TO PEOPLE MUCH LIKE YOU MIGHT PUT SEATBELTS IN THAT SAME CATEGORY WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TO WEAR THEM OR GET TICKETED.

THEY DO IT TO SAVE THEIR LIVES AND HOLD DOWN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN HOSPITALS.

I WISH WE COULD DO THAT WITH VACCINES, WE ALREADY KNOW ALL THE POLITICAL AND RELIGIOUS/PERSONAL REASONS WHY PEOPLE WON'T GET VACCINATED.

BUT, AGAIN, THEY ARE SUCH IMPORTANT LIFE SAVING TOOLS.

WE'RE SEEING THAT NOW NOT ONLY JUST ABOUT INFLUENZA.

>> Eric: OKAY.

>> AND SO FORTH BUT ALSO CHILDHOOD IMMUNIZATIONS.

>> Cathy: ALL RIGHT.

ALWAYS A PLEASURE.

THANKS MUCH.

TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF.

>> THANKS.

BYE.

>> Cathy: WELL, THERE'S A EW ART MUSEUM IN TOWN, DID YOU KNOW THAT?

THE CAFESJIAN ART MUSEUM OPENED A FEW WEEKS AGO IN SHOREVIEW SHOWING CONTEMPORARY ART FROM ONE MAN'S COLLECTION OF OVER 3,000 WORKS.

REPORTER KAOMI LEE TAKES US THERE.

>> THE ART WILL GET YOU IN THE DOOR.

>> WOW, THAT'S A CHIHULY ITEM.

>> IT IS, PART OF OUR PERMANENT INSTALLATION.

THIS IS A CHANDELIER THAT DAD COMMISSIONED FROM DALE WHEN DAD WAS LIVING IN ARIZONA.

WE ALWAYS CALLED IT THE CHILI PEPPER WREATH CHANDELIER.

>> DALE IS RENOWNED ARTIST DALE CHIHULY, HE'S KNOWN FOR HIS COLORFUL BLOWN GLASS SCULPTURES.

MORE THAN 50 IECES OF CHIHULY'S WORK ARE ON DISPLAY.

THEY'RE PART OF THE PRIVATE ART COLLECTION OF THE LATE MINNESOTA BUSINESSMAN GERARD CAFESJIAN.

>> HE STARTED COLLECTING WAY BEFORE THAT.

YOU DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF MONEY, JUST A LOT OF INTEREST.

>> KATHY IS THE DAUGHTER OF GERARD CAFESJIAN.

SHE SAYS HER FATHER WOULD BE PLEASED TO OPENING THE COLLECTION TO THE PUBLIC.

>> HE STARTED LOVING ART BECAUSE HE WAS ABLE TO GO TO THE METROPOLITAN MUSEUM OF ART, HE WAS BORN IN BROOKLYN, AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, AVAILABLE FOR RESIDENTS OF NEW YORK FOR FREE, WHICH MADE A IG DIFFERENCE TO A KID GROWING UP DURING THE DEPRESSION.

>> DESPITE HUMBLE BEGINNINGS, CAFESJIAN MOVED UP THE RANKS AT WEST PUBLISHING FROM EDITOR O SENIOR EXECUTIVE, HE AMASSED A FORTUNE.

HE WAS ALSO VERY CHARMING AND PRIVATE.

>> HE WAS DEMANDING, ALSO VERY PRECISE AND INCREDIBLY INTELLIGENT.

AND WHEN HE BELIEVED IN SOMETHING, HE DID IT ALL THE WAY.

>> ARMENIAN AMERICAN COMMUNITIES, ARMENIAN PEOPLE AND ART WERE HIS PASSIONS.

HE CREATED A WORD CLASS ART MUSEUM IN ARMENIA AND WAS THE LEADING DONOR TO FOUND THE SCOTSDALE MUSEUM OF CONTEMPORARY ART.

>> WAS HE SOMEONE THAT LIKED TO OPERATE BEHIND THE SCENES?

>> DEFINITELY, HE DIDN'T REALLY WANT THE SPOTLIGHT.

HE AVOID IT DID ACTUALLY PRETTY INTENTIONALLY.

AND HE WANTED TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN BUT NOT NECESSARILY GET THE CREDIT FOR IT.

>> IN 1998 THE CARO SELL AT THE STATE FAIR WEPT TO AUCTION.

AUTHOR PETER WAS INVOLVED IN SAVING IT.

HE SPOKE TO ALMANAC IN HOW CAFESJIAN HELPED.

>> I CALLED SOMEONE I KNEW AT WEST AND FOUND OUT HE WAS AN EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT.

SO I CALLED HIM UP AND ASKED HIM IF HE'D LIKE TO SERVE ON OUR BOARD AND HE SAID HE WOULD.

AND THREE WEEKS LATER HE CALLED ME AND ASKED WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET HIS NAME PUT ON THE CAROUSEL BECAUSE HE WANTED TO LEAVE A LEGACY?

>> CAFESJIAN DONATED $1.2 MILLION TO THE PROJECT.

IT WAS BEAUTIFUL AND NOSTALGIC, JUST THE SORT OF THING THAT CAFESJIAN ENJOYED.

>> I THINK HE HAD A VERY TONGUE IN CHEEK SENSE OF HUMOR AT TIMES.

AND HE WAS COLLECT EVERYTHING FROM BLUE CHIP ARTWORK THAT ONE WOULD FIND AT SOTTEDBY'S OR KRISTIE'S OR BONHAM'S ALL THE WAY DOWN TO LESS SIGNIFICANT ARTWORK THAT COULD BE PICKED UP AT AN ONLINE AUCTION FACILITY.

AND HE HAD A TREMENDOUS ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE TO THE VIEWER HIS OWN INTERPRETATION OF WHAT THE ARTWORK WAS SAYING TO HIM, AND THEN IN REFLECTION, WHAT HE WAS SAYING BACK TO HIS AUDIENCE.

>> THE MUSEUM'S OPENING EXHIBITION IS ALSO VERY PERSONAL.

IT HOWS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CAFESJIAN AND CHIHULY, FIRST AS AN ART PATRON AND EVENTUALLY AS A FRIEND.

>> DALE LOST ONE OF HIS EYES IN A MOTOR CYCLE ACCIDENT MANY YEARS AGO AND DAD HAD A MEDICAL INCIDENT THAT DAMAGED HIS EYE.

AND THIS IS -- I ACTUALLY HAD THIS PHOTO FOR YEARS AND JUST RECENTLY REALIZED THAT DAD'S PATCH IS ON HIS GOOD EYE IN THIS PHOTO JUST SO HE CAN MATCH DALE.

>> VISITORS CAN SEE CHIHULY'S DURING MANY CONVERSATIONS, SO ARE THE ARTIST'S CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS AND THEMED WORK.

>> WHEN THINK OF CHIHULY, I THINK OF THE COLOR, NOT NECESSARILY THE TWO TONE.

>> THAT'S WHAT 'M SAYING, IT CHANGED OVER DIFFERENT PERIODS IN HIS WORK.

HERE WE HAVE THE COLOR AGAIN.

>> BRIGHT COLORS AND NATURALISTIC FORMS ARE CHIHULY'S SIGNATURES.

THAT'S NOT ALL HE DID.

AND KATHY EVEN HAS HER OWN FAVORITE.

>> I THINK I LIKE THIS ONE THE BEST BECAUSE PINK IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE COLORS.

I JUST FIND IT CALMING AND SOOTHING, AND WE LIVED WITH THIS PIECE FOR A LONG TIME.

>> THE MUSEUM WILL ALSO BE USED AS AN EVENT VENUE WITH A KITCHEN, OUTDOOR SPACE WITH ORIGINAL ART.

ADMISSION IS FREE BUT RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED.

IT'S BEEN NEARLY 10 YEARS SINCE HER FATHER HAS PASSED, BUT KATHY SAYS THE MUSEUM IS THE LEGACY IN MINNESOTA HE WOULD HAVE WANTED.

>> DAD WAS REALLY INTO BRIGHT COLORS AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I REALLY WANTED.

COLOR AND LIGHT ND FORM WAS HIS, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS WHERE HE IVED.

♪♪ >> I KNOW HALLOWEEN HAS PASSED BUT IT'S STILL KIND OF SPOOKY OUT THERE.

DARK AT 5:30, WIND WHIPPING LEAVES AND RATTLING DRY BRANCHES.

IT'S SPOOKY INSIDE THE HOUSE TOO.

EVERY TIME I CLIMB THE STAIRS OR STEP OUT OF THE BEDROOMS AND MY GAZE DRIFTS DOWN THE HALL I FEEL A HEAVY DREAD THAT CLAWS ITS WAY UP MY BACK AND SETTLES ONTO MY SHOULDERS LIKE AN UNWELCOME CLAMMY HOUSECAT.

A CREEPING SPECTER, AN UNDYING HORROR.

A MULTIHEADED HYDRA THAT CAN NEVER BE EXORCISED AND NEVER BANISHED, SPROUTING TWO MORE HEADS EVERY TIME YOU THINK YOU'VE LOPPED OFF ONE.

IT GROWS UNDER CORNERS, BEDS, INSIDE CLOSETS, FEEDING ON THE BRIGHT BUSTLE OF DAILY LIFE, THREATENING TO INTOMB THE INHABITS UNTIL PROPER RITES ARE PERFORMED.

THIS THING, THIS CRUEL AND BRAINLESS MASS HAS MANY NAMES.

NAMES THAT STRIKE FEAR IN THE HEARTS OF EVERY LIVING SOUL.

NAMES INVOKED OVER AND OVER DESPITE THE LOATHING AND DREAD THEY CONJURE.

WE CALL IT ...

LAUNDRY.

TREMBLE, MORTALS.

THIS IS YOUR IMMORTAL TASKMASTER, FOREVER AND ALWAYS.

♪♪ >> Eric: DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS CRISSCROSSING THE STATE WITH GET OUT THE VOTE EVENTS LEADING UP TO TUESDAY'S ELECTION WITH MANY CLOSE RACES, MOTIVATING THEIR BASES IS CRITICAL.

POLITICAL REPORTER MARY LAHAMMER SHOWS US SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT OFFICES TO WATCH AS MINNESOTA VOTERS APPEAR POISED TO SPLIT THEIR TICKETS.

>> EARLY VOTING HAS BEEN UNDERWAY FOR WEEKS.

NOW THE MAIN EVENT, ELECTION DAY, IS NEARLY HERE.

MINNESOTA'S TRADITION OF LEADING THE NATION IN VOTER TURNOUT IS AT STAKE.

>> TO THOSE WHO ARE SUSPICIOUS OR SKEPTICAL OR EVEN FEARFUL ABOUT THE ELECTIONS PROCESS R ABOUT ELECTIONS EQUIPMENT IN PARTICULAR, THIS IS THE ANSWER TO THAT.

THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC TO COME IN, ASK TOUGH QUESTIONS, LOOK OVER THE SHOULDER OF ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATORS, AS THEY KICK THE TIRES AND INDEED EVEN TRY TO TRICK THE ELECTIONS EQUIPMENT.

>> INCUMBENT SECRETARY OF STATE STEVE SIMON IS FACING REPUBLICAN KIM CROCKETT WHO HAS QUESTIONED PAST ELECTIONS AND CURRENT PROCESS.

>> I AM NOT ATTEMPTING TO SOW DISTRUST.

AND AS I SAID WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THESE IMPORTANT ITEMS AND TO ASK YOU AS THE MEDIA TO HELP VOTERS MAKE THEIR VOTE COUNT.

>> SIMON IS LEADING CROCKETT IN THE LATEST KSTP POLL WHICH HAS THE D.F.L.

INCULL BENT ATTORNEY GENERAL ELLISON AND AUDITOR BLAHA BOTH TRAILING REPUBLICAN CHALLENGERS SCHULTZ AND WILSON WHO HAVE BEEN TEAMING UP ALL CAMPAIGN SEASON AND CONTINUE TO DO SO IN THE CLOSING DAYS.

>> CROWD CHANTING: W-A-L-Z, WALZ!

>> IT LOOKS LIKE A SPLIT FOR STATEWIDE OFFICE IS POSSIBLE IN THIS SNAPSHOT OF A SAMPLE OF VOTERS.

DEMOCRATS BACKING WALZ, BUT NOT THE CANDIDATE HIMSELF.

GATHERED IN SUPPORT OF THE D.F.L.ER AND THEIR TOP ISSUE TO MOTIVATE VOTERS.

>> HERE IN THE UPPER MIDWEST MINNESOTA STANDS AS AN ISLAND OF ACCESS TO ABORTION CARE AS POLITICIANS IN OUR NEIGHBORING STATES HAVE EITHER BANNED OR ESSENTIALLY BANNED ABORTION.

>> THAT AS THE IOWA GOVERNOR GAVE HER SUPPORT TO REPUBLICAN SCOTT JENSEN AS HE PICKS UP STEAM IN THE MONEY RACE.

>> PERHAPS THE MOST PIVOTAL RACE IS THE LEGISLATURE.

ALL 201 LEGISLATIVE SEATS ARE UP, MANY OF THEM IN NEW DISTRICTS, IN AN ALREADY DIVIDED LEGISLATURE.

>> I'VE BEEN DOOR KNOCKING IN TWO OR THREE DISTRICTS A DAY FOR THE LAST WEEK AND WILL CONTINUE THAT THROUGH THE ELECTION.

>> WHY DOES IT MATTER?

DOES IT WORK?

>> WELL, WE THINK THAT TALKING TO VOTERS IS REALLY THE BEST CONTACT YOU AN MAKE AND YOU REALLY WISH WHEN YOU WERE OUT DOOR KNOCKING THAT EVERY VOTER ANSWERED THE DOOR AND THEY ALL WANTED TO TALK TO YOU.

IN THE TARGETED DISTRICTS THEY'RE GETTING A LITTLE BURNT OUT TOO BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING A LOT OF DOOR KNOCKS.

BUT IT REALLY IS AUTHENTIC.

>> WE HAVE NOT SEEN A REPUBLICAN TRIFECTA HIT MINNESOTA AND PEOPLE THINK THAT THEY'VE SEEN NATURAL DISASTERS BEFORE, WAIT UNTIL REPUBLICANS GET IN CHARGE OF THIS STATE.

WE CANNOT AFFORD TO LET THAT HAPPEN.

>> WE HAVE DEFINITELY SEEN A MOMENTUM IN OUR DIRECTION IN, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS THE REPUBLICANS IN THE PAST -- AND MAYBE THREE WEEKS.

YOU CAN FEEL IT.

YOU CAN FEEL IT IN THE AIR.

YOU CAN FEEL IT WHEN WE TALK TO PEOPLE, IT'S REAL.

>> ENOUGH TO FLIP THE CHAMBER?

>> WE FEEL THAT.

>> GOVERNOR WALZ HAS TO STAND STRONG AND WIN THIS EWILL.

THE HOUSE AND SENATE IN D.F.L.

HANDS CAN MAKE PROGRESS FOR MINNESOTA.

WE'VE COME FOR A LONG TIME ASSUME THAT MIXED GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO YIELD GOOD RESULTS.

THE FACT IS PROGRESS HAPPENS UNDER DEMOCRATS AND A REALLY DARK TURN WOULD HAPPEN IF REPUBLICANS WERE TO TAKE OVER.

MINNESOTANS' DAILY LIVES THEIR VOTE FOR STATE HOUSE AND SENATE AND GOVERNOR ARE GOING TO BE CRITICAL IN OUR FUTURE SUCCESS AS A STATE.

>> ONE OUT OF FOUR REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES ARE ELECTION DENIERS.

>> YOU KNOW, I DO THINK WE HAVE MEMBERS THAT HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT ELECTION INTEGRITY IN OUR STATE.

FOR INSTANCE, WE ARE THE ONLY STATE IN THE COUNTRY THAT ALLOWS SOMEBODY TO SHOW UP ON ELECTION DAY, REGISTER TO VOTE AND NOT HAVE PROVISIONAL BAT BALLOT.

>> THERE'S BEEN A SHIFT IN WHERE VOTES ARE COMING FROM THE TWO PARTIES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES, THERE'S ALSO BEEN A SIGNIFICANT GROWTH IN POPULATION IN METROPOLITAN AREAS ACROSS THE STATE.

THOSE TRENDS ALL FAVOR DEMOCRATS IN MINNESOTA.

MORE VOTES IN THE D.F.L.

SUBURBS ARE GOING TO DELIVER VOTES TO D.F.L.

IN THE MINNESOTA HOUSE AND SENATE.

MINNESOTA'S NEVER GOING TO GO BACK TO A REPUBLICAN STATE.

>> DO YOU HAVE A DEMOGRAPHIC PROBLEM?

>> I IS DISAGREE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REDISTRICTING MAP IT FAVORS US.

>> EVEN IN THE SUBURBS?

>> DEMOCRATS DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT CRIME, THEY DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT INFLATION AND GAS PRICES.

>> Eric: JUST THREE DAYS LEFT BEFORE ELECTION DAY AND AS MARY LAHAMMER SHOWED US CANDIDATES ARE POUNDING THE PAVEMENT IN THE FINAL WEEKEND OF CAMPAIGNING.

THIS WEEK'S ANALYST DUO WHO DO REMEMBER THIS FLURRY OF ACTIVITY.

JEFF HAYDEN IS HERE, FORMER D.F.L.ER ENATOR, AND MARTY SIEFERT.

I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE AND I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME.

BOTH THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE CHAIR AND DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE CHAIR WERE IN MINNEAPOLIS THE SAME DAY.

IT USED TO HAVE THE REPUBLICAN CHAIR WOULD HAVE GIVEN UP ON MINNESOTA AND THE DNC WOULD BE IN SOME OTHER PLACE.

WHAT DOES THIS TELL US?

>> IT'S A CLOSE RACE.

-- THAT SCOTT JENSEN WAS A DIFFERENT TYPE F REPUBLICAN, LIBERTARIAN LEANINGS AND HE'S BEEN GOING PLACES.

HE CAME TO MARSHALL A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.

I RAN FOR GOVERNOR, I DIDN'T HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE.

HE HAD HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE.

REPRESENTATIVE URDAHL SAID IN RICHFIELD IN THE LAST COUPLE DAYS HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE CROWDING IN AND I THINK IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF RACE, A DIFFERENT KIND OF CANDIDATE, YOU KNOW, AND WE WERE TALKING EARLIER IF GOVERNOR WALZ LOSES I THINK IT'S NOT COMING TO ALMANAC, NOT DOING THE STATE -- NOT THE CHANNEL 5 DEBATE.

PEOPLE OF MINNESOTA ARE ABOVE AVERAGE IN INTELLIGENCE, THEY EXPECT A ROBUST DISCUSSION AND I THINK BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT TYPE OF CAMPAIGN STYLES IN PART WE'RE GOING TO SEE AN EXTREMELY CLOSE RACE.

>> Eric: WHERE ARE WE?

>> YEAH, I THINK MARTY'S RIGHT.

IT IS A VERY CLOSE RACE.

I THINK THAT GOVERNOR ALZ BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT OUR STATE'S DEMOGRAPHIC WORKS, IT'S FANTASTIC THAT RICHFIELD OR MARSHALL BUT THERE'S A LOT OF, LOT OF VOTES IN MINNEAPOLIS AND ST. PAUL AND SURROUNDING SUBURB THAT'S I THINK ARE GOING TO SUPPORT NOT ONLY THE GOVERNOR BUT ATTORNEY GENERAL ELLISON AND I THINK THE AMOUNT AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S GOING TO TURN OUT VOTES THERE.

THAT ISN'T TO SAY THE GOVERNOR ISN'T GOING AROUND THE STATE BUT I THINK THE CORE OF DEMOCRAT VOTES ARE THERE.

THE LATEST POLL THAT THE GOVERNOR WAS DOING MUCH BETTER IN SOUTHERN MINNESOTA AND I SHOULDN'T BE SURPRISED BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE HE'S FROM.

SO I THINK IT'S A CLOSE ACE.

>> Cathy: OU KNOW, SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY VOTED.

I'M WONDERING, THESE HUGE GET OUT THE VOTE EFFORTS, A LOT OF MONEY'S SPENT, RIGHT?

IS THIS IN PART KIND OF WASTED EFFORT BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY BEEN VOTING?

>> I THINK THE EARLY VOTE IS DOWN QUITE A BIT FROM TWO YEARS BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC BEING DIFFERENT.

AND I THINK EVERY VOTE COUNTS.

THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THE JENSEN CAMPAIGN I FOUND INTERESTING IS FOUR FULL PAGE ADS IN LAVENDER MAGAZINE, NO REPUBLICAN'S EVER DONE THAT REACHING OUT TO THE GAY/LESBIAN COMMUNITY, FOR EXAMPLE.

HMONG EVENTS, SOMALI EVENTS, LOTS OF TIMES IN MINNEAPOLIS-ST. PAUL, LOTS OF VOTES THERE AS JEFF SAID, THERE'S LOTS OF CANDIDATES THAT HAVE IGNORED MINNEAPOLIS-ST. PAUL.

>> HAS HE BEEN IN NORTH MINNEAPOLIS?

>> HE HAS BEEN.

HE HAS BEEN IN NORTH MINNEAPOLIS, HE HAS BEEN IN ST. PAUL.

MATT BIRK HAS BEEN THERE AGGRESSIVELY EVERY SINGLE WEEK AND A LOT OF REPUBLICANS GAVE UP AND I THINK THE INTERESTING THING IS THEY'RE ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES INNER CITY, GAY WILL, LESBIAN COMMUNITY, MINORITY COMMUNITIES, AND I THINK YOU MOVE THAT NEEDLE ENOUGH AND REPUBLICANS CAN WIN, YOU CAN'T WIN WITHOUT EVERYBODY BEING TOGETHER.

>> Eric: DOES STEVE SIMON POLL -- BETTER THAN THE GOVERNOR?

HE'S THE SECRETARY OF STATE.

>> YEAH, HE'S SECRETARY OF STATE UT I THINK HE'S GOT THE BENEFIT OF AN OPPONENT THAT MAYBE ISN'T DOING AS WELL AS THE OTHER OPENNENT.

IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT Ms. CROCKETT IS DOING AS WELL AS JENSEN.

I WILL SAY GOING BACK TO MARTY'S ISSUE OF WHERE PEOPLE GO, YOU CAN SHOW UP IN NORTH MINNEAPOLIS OR YOU CAN SHOW UP IN FROGTOWN BUT YOUR RECORD HAS TO INDICATE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SUPPORT THEM.

NOT ONLY DR. JENSEN'S RECORD BUT THE REPUBLICANS' RECORD.

AND THERE HASN'T BEEN THAT KIND OF WORK BEING DONE OVERALL IN THE LEGISLATURE AND OTHERS, JUST SHOWING UP TO SAY HI, I'M CONCERNED I DON'T THINK IS ENOUGH.

>> Eric: LEGISLATIVE RACES?

>> LEGISLATURE IS GOING TO BE A DOG FIGHT I THINK BECAUSE OF WHAT SEE AS AN IMPENDING RED WAVE.

I THINK THE REPUBLICANS HAVE AN EDGE IN THE HOUSE AND THE IS THAT SENATE.

MORE SO THE HOUSE.

AS JEFF KNOWS REDISTRICTING IS A NONPARTISAN AFFAIR HERE.

SO THERE'S NOT GERRYMANDERED DISTRICTS.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF THESE RURAL SEATS THAT HAVE RETIREES OR MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME, A+ CANDIDATES AND I THINK THE REPUBLICANS WIN CONTROL OF THE LEGISLATURE.

>> Cathy: WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THAT THE HOUSE CERTAINLY AND THE SENATE BOTH THINK THAT THEY HAVE GREAT CANDIDATES AS WELL.

I THINK THAT THE LINES FAVORED DEMOCRATS WHEN IT AS KIND OF A DIFFERENT TIME.

TRUMP VERSUS BIDEN AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT NOW.

I THINK IT TILL COMES TO IN THE HOUSE IF THEY CAN PICK UP GREATER MINNESOTA SEATS IF THEY CAN HOLD ONTO SOME OF THEM, ESPECIALLY IN THE NORTHEAST THERE, I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE REALLY, REALLY KIND OF FOCUSED ON.

I THINK THE SUBURBS, THEY'LL DO WELL.

BUT MY KIND OF LIKE, THE ONE I REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON IS MY FORMER CAUCUS, I THINK WE'RE DOING REALLY WELL.

I THINK BEFORE BAKK AND TOMASSONI MOVED TO INDEPENDENTS, IT WAS 33-34.

SO THE LAST ELECTION WAS 33-34, TONY LORIE LEFT TO BE THE COMMISSIONER.

AND TOMASSONI AND BAKK WERE INDEPENDENT.

IT WAS MUCH TIGHTER IN THE LAST ELECTION, I THINK THEY FEEL REALLY GOOD, I'M OBVIOUSLY PRETTY CLOSE TO HEM AND I THINK THAT COULD BE THE UPSET SPECIAL.

>> Cathy: ARE THERE ANY CANARY IN THE COAL MINE?

>> I THINK THE EARLY RACES IN THE SUBURBS.

THE SUBURBS ARE GOING TO DECIDE WHO THE GOVERNOR IS AND THE SUBURBS ARE GOING TO DECIDE WHO CONTROLS THE LEGISLATURE.

AND THE REPUBLICANS HAVE THE ISSUE IS I THINK CRIME IS A VERY BIG ISSUE THAT PEOPLE ARE UNDERESTIMATING AND THE REALITY OF IS THE EPUBLICANS HAVE A DOUBLE DIGIT ADVANTAGE IN ALL THE POLLS ON CRIME.

AND PEOPLE JUST HAVE LESS MONEY IN THEIR POCKET.

THIS IS REALLY THE PROVERBIAL ARE YOU BETTER OFF THAN YOU WERE FOUR YEARS AGO.

YOU HAVE LESS MONEY IN YOUR POCKET, STREETS ARE MORE DANGEROUS, KIDS' TEST SCORES ARE IN THE CRAPPER, AND THERE'S HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BEING EMBEZZLED ALL UNDER THE WATCH OF A UNIFIED DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT.

AND IN THE PAST THE AVERAGE INDEPENDENT MODERATE VOTER IN THE SUBURBS HAS SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'VE HAD ENOUGH, WE NEED TO CHANGE AND THEY'RE GOING TO GO REPUBLICAN.

>> AND THE FUNDAMENTALS SAY, EXCEPT FOR THE ROE V. WADE AND I THINK THE EARLY VOTE THAT YOU SEE THERE, AND I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF SUBURBAN PEOPLE, A LOT OF SUBURBAN WOMEN THAT ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ISSUE, ABOUT THEIR IGHTS BEING TAKEN AWAY.

EVEN IF YOU, WHENEVER YOU ARE ON THE ABORTION, YOUR RIGHT'S BEING TAKEN AWAY.

I KNOW THERE'S MANY PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY, MY ETHNIC COMMUNITY, THE CONVERSATION IS WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ON THIS COUCH BEFORE.

ALL OF THESE ISSUES WERE GAME.

ALSO I THINK PEOPLE RECOGNIZE THAT THEY WERE IN A PANDEMIC AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WERE GOING TO HAPPEN NO MATTER WHO WAS THE GOVERNOR LIKE KIDS BEING, YOU KNOW, TEST SCORES BEING A LITTLE LOWER, WE ALSO HAD THIS ISSUE AROUND THE MINNEAPOLIS POLICE DEPARTMENT.

LET'S NOT FORGET IT WAS THE MINNEAPOLIS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND DEREK CHAUVIN THAT KILLED GEORGE FLOYD.

SO THIS IDEA THAT SOMEHOW THAT THE POLICE, RIGHT, LIKE PEOPLE WANT MORE POLICE, PEOPLE WANT POLICE, THEY WANT TO BE PROTECTED, BUT THEY WANT TO HAVE THE RIGHT KIND OF POLICE AND I THINK PEOPLE IN THE SUBURBS HAVEN'T FORGOT ABOUT THAT EITHER.

>> I THINK THE ABORTION ISSUE THERE'S BEEN EDUCATING THAT MINNESOTA'S CONSTITUTION PROTECTS ABORTION RIGHTS NO MATTER WHO THE GOVERNOR IS, EVEN IF THEY WANT TO BAN ABORTION OR WHATEVER IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE.

>> Cathy: ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?

IT COULD CHANGE.

>> WHEN IN WHAT WAY, THOUGH?

>> THERE COULD BE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.

>> THE GOVERNOR HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.

>> JENSEN SAID HE WON'T DO THAT AND I THINK THE SECOND PART OF IT IS THAT THE LEGISLATURE AS WE KNOW CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS IN MINNESOTA, HIGH THRESHOLD, THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE IT DOWN IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF BAN.

I DON'T THINK THEY'D EVER PASS IT.

>> I STILL THINK THAT THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT AND I THINK DR. JENSEN HAS FLIP-FLOPPED ON THIS ISSUE SO I'M NOT SURE I TRUST DR. JENSEN WHO I SERVED WITH BUT I'M NOT SURE I'D TRUST HIM THAT HE WOULDN'T BE LIKE OTHER REPUBLICANS WHO SAID IT WAS SETTLED LAW AND AS SOON AS THEY GOT THE OPPORTUNITY, THEY TURNED THAT AROUND.

>> Eric: I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW, IF IT'S REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR IT'S PROBABLY REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE TOO?

>> PROBABLY.

>> Eric: REPUBLICANS ARE NOT A MONOLITH.

I WONDER HOW HE'LL GET ALONG WITH REPUBLICANS OF ALL STRIPES.

>> WELL, IT'S A CHALLENGE BECAUSE YOU HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF REPUBLICANS AND PEOPLE ALWAYS SAID, YOU KNOW, WHEN I RAN FOR OFFICE, ARE YOU A REAGAN REPUBLICAN OR WHATEVER, TRUMP WASN'T AROUND IN THOSE DAYS, THAT'S HOW OLD I AM, I'D JUST SAY I'M A MARTY SIEFERT REPUBLICAN, I'M MY OWN GUY.

AND SCOTT JENSEN IS HIS OWN GUY.

I GREW UP 8 MILES FROM HIM AND HIS DAD WAS MY SENATOR WHEN I WAS A KID.

HE WAS A NORMAL MAINSTREAM GUY, VERY MEASURED TONIGHT OBVIOUSLY.

CHAIR OF THE SCHOOL BOARD, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, FAMILY DOCTOR OF THE YEAR, PROFESSOR AT THE U OF M MEDICAL SCHOOL.

YOU ARE IN MINNESOTA GOING TO HAVE A NORMAL MAINSTREAM GOVERNOR WITH SCOTT JENSEN.

YOU HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR.

>> Eric: DO YOU RECOGNIZE IM FROM YOUR SENATE -- >> I'M NOT SURE -- >> YOU SERVED TOGETHER.

>> WE SERVED TOGETHER AND WE DID SOME THINGS LIKE EXPANDED MEDICARE AND HE VOTED FOR THAT.

HE DID SOME THINGS LIKE THE RED FLAG LAW BUT AS SOON AS HE STARTED RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR HE RAN AWAY FROM ALL THOSE POSITIONS.

I THINK WHEN MARTY SIEFERT SAYS THE SCOTT JENSEN HE KNEW GROWING UP I THINK HAT SCOTT JENSEN CHANGED ONCE HE STARTED RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR AND I THINK THAT'S I WORRY ABOUT AND I THINK MINNESOTANS ARE PICKING UP.

>> Cathy: SAY, I WONDER ABOUT ENDORSEMENTS.

WE ASKED THE SENATOR ABOUT THE TRUMP ENDORSEMENTS.

DO ENDORSEMENTS MATTER?

JESSE VENTURA CAME OUT FOR TIM WALZ AND PRESIDENT OBAMA CAME OUT FOR TIM WALZ.

AND TRUMP CAME OUT FOR JENSEN.

>> HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK THEY DO MATTER.

IT'S NO OFFENSE TO OBAMA, NO OFFENSE TO TRUMP, NO OFFENSE TO VENTURA.

I DON'T THINK THE AVERAGE BUTCHER, BAKER, AND CANDLESTICK MAKER GOES OUT AND SAYS I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS PERSON BECAUSE THEY WERE ENDORSED.

I WOULD FRANKLY TELL SCOTT JENSEN YOU ARE GOING TO EARN GOVERNORSHIP BASED ON CRIME, EDUCATION, EDUCATIONAL EXCELLENCE AND NOT ON WHO'S ENDORSING WHO.

>> Eric: HOW LATE AT NIGHT?

>> LATE.

RECALL LATE.

>> OH, OKAY!

>> RECALL IT LATE.

>> Eric: GOOD TO SEE YOU GUYS.

THANKS SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

♪♪ >> Eric: I REMEMBER THAT DEBATE.

WE HAD FOUR CANDIDATES FILLING THE OLD COUCH THAT NIGHT.

HISTORY QUESTION TIME.

LAST WEEK WE TOOK YOU BACK IN TIME TO THE FIRST SATURDAY IN AUGUST IN 1983.

THE MINNESOTA VIKINGS MADE FOOTBALL HISTORY THAT DAY BEFORE A CROWD ANNOUNCED AT A BIT MORE THAN 30,000 FANS.

WE ASKED YOU TO TELL US WHAT HAPPENED THAT AY THAT ENTERED THE NFL RECORD BOOKS.

NOT SURE ALL OF THE WRONG ANSWERS ARE ACTUALLY LISTED IN THE NFL RECORD BOOKS, BUT YOU CAN BE THE JUDGE.

>> HI, THIS IS ROSA FROM ROSEAU.

AND I THINK THAT THE ANSWER FOR TONIGHT'S QUESTION IS THE VIKINGS WERE PLAYING FOR THE FIRST TIME AT THE METRODOME.

THANK YOU.

>> I THINK THIS IS THE LARGEST CROWD TO WATCH A MINNESOTA VIKINGS PRACTICE.

>> I THINK THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS LES STECKEL WAS THE COACH AND TOOK THE WHOLE TEAM TO A BOOT CAMP.

>> THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ON TONIGHT'S ALMANAC ABOUT VIKINGS IN 1983 IS JIM MARSHALL RAN THE WRONG WAY AND SCORED A TOUCHDOWN FOR THE OTHER TEAM.

THIS IS TOM AND RUTH.

HOPE WE'RE RIGHT!

>> Eric: OU KNOW, JIM MARSHALL SHALL'S WRONG-WAY TOUCHDOWN RUN IS CERTAINLY IN THE RECORD BOOKS SOMEWHERE BUT IT HAPPENED A COUPLE DECADES EARLIER THAN WE ASKED ABOUT.

LET'S TURN TO SUPERFAN OUT OF ST. PAUL.

>> THE MINNESOTA VIKINGS PLAYED IN THE FIRST NFL GAME IN LONDON.

MY NAME IS JIM AND I'M FROM ST. PAUL.

I LOVE HE SHOW.

BEEN WATCHING IT SINCE BEFORE IT WAS EVEN STARTED I THINK.

[ LAUGHTER ] >> Eric: THANKS, JIM, FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

THE MINNESOTA VIKINGS BEAT THE ST. LOUIS CARDINALS 20-10, WEMBLEY STADIUM 1983.

AND THERE'S A NICE SHOT OF QUARTERBACK TOMMY KRAMER BEFORE THE BIG GAME.

JUST ENOUGH TO LEAVE YOU WITH SHOW ENDING MUSIC.

THE PRODUCERS DUG INTO THE ARCHIVES AND FOUND THIS MATTHEW FOX PERFORMANCE FROM 2004.

COME BACK AND SEE US AGAIN LAST WEEK, WE'LL WRAP UP THE ELECTION, WINNERS, LOSERS, LOT OF ANALYSIS.

AND KATE DICAMILLO WILL BE HERE WITH HER NEW BOOK.

UNTIL THEN, BE CAREFUL.

♪♪ ♪♪ SINGING: SO NOW I LAY ME DOWN TO SLEEP, I PRAY THE LORD MY TONGUE TO KEEP ME FROM BARING MY SOUL TO MY WOMAN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.

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