>> "ALMANAC" IS A PRODUCTION OF TWIN CITIES PBS FOR THE STATIONS OF MINNESOTA PUBLIC TELEVISION ASSOCIATION.

>> ERIC: COMING UP ON "ALMANAC," WE'LL LOOK BACK 40 YEARS AGO TO THE BIG STRIKE AT HORMEL.

BIRDCHICK IS HERE WITH SOME FALL BIRDING AND MIGRATION TIPS.

ADIA MORRIS HAS AN ESSAY FOR US.

AND OF COURSE PLENTY OF POLITICS FOR YOU THROUGHOUT THE HOUR.

MARY LAHAMMER HAS BEEN TRACKING THE POLITICAL DISAGREEMENTS ALL WEEK.

>> Mary: WE'LL EXPLORE POLITICAL IMPASSE AT THE FEDERAL AND STATE LEVEL.

>> I'M CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO BEND THE KNEE TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

>> Mary: THAT'S COMING UP ON "ALMANAC."

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>> ERIC: FULL SHOW FOR YOU TONIGHT.

WE'LL LOOK BACK AT THE HORMEL STRIKE 40 YEARS AGO AND HOW IT CHANGED THE FACE OF AUSTIN, MINNESOTA.

WE'LL REMEMBER WORLD-RENOWNED PRIMATOLOGIST JANE GOODALL.

BIRDCHICK IS BACK TO TALK FALL MIGRATION.

AND OF COURSE PLENTY OF LOCAL AND NATIONAL POLITICS.

>> Kaomi: AND WE WILL START WITH >> Cathy: AND WE WILL START WITH NATIONAL POLITICS.

IT'S FRIDAY NIGHT, AND WE'RE NEARING THE END OF DAY THREE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN.

THE SENATE RECONVENED THIS AFTERNOON, AND TO NO ONE'S SURPRISE, THE SAME FEDERAL FUNDING PLANS FROM BOTH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS WERE VOTED DOWN AGAIN.

KATHRYN PEARSON TEACHES STUDENTS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA.

AMONG HER SPECIALITIES: THE U.S.

CONGRESS.

LARRY JACOBS HEADS UP THE CENTER FOR THE STUDY OF POLITICS AND GOVERNANCE AT THE U OF M'S HUMPHREY SCHOOL.

WELCOME BACK, BOTH OF YOU.

GOSH, WHAT SHOULD WE TALK ABOUT?

UM, LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS STANDOFF, PROFESSOR PEARSON, HOW IS THIS BEING WEAPONIZED BY BOTH SIDES?

>> OH, I MEAN, BOTH SIDES ARE TRYING TO FULLY USE THIS TO THEIR ADVANTAGE AND IF YOU LOOK AT EARLY POLLING, IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT A THIRD OF AMERICANS HINK OF REPUBLICANS ARE IN THE RIGHT.

A THIRD THINK THE DEMOCRATS ARE IN THE RIGHT AND A THIRD THINK BOTH SIDES ARE TO BLAME.

THOSE NUMBERS COULD SHIFT.

ESPECIALLY THOSE UNDECIDES.

BUT BOTH SIDES HAVE A MESSAGE.

REPUBLICANS' MESSAGE IS, HEY, WE'VE GIVEN YOU A CLEAN CONTINUING RESOLUTION THROUGH NOVEMBER 21ST AND DEMOCRATS' MESSAGE IS, HEY, SUBSIDIES FOR OVER 20 MILLION PEOPLE ARE ABOUT TO GO UP IF WE DON'T EXTEND THE SUBSIDIES FOR OBAMACARE AND WE'VE KNOWN THIS COMING AND YOU'RE NOT NEGOTIATING AND THIS IS DEMOCRATS' ONLY MECHANISM BECAUSE OF COURSE RECONCILIATION BILL -- >> Eric: WHAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE MARCH WHEN THE DEMOCRATS AND SENATE WENT ALONG.

>> ONE BIG THING THAT'S HAPPENED IS THE BASE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS IN REVOLT.

IF YOU LOOK BACK TO THE LAST SCHOENBERG DURING DONALD TRUMP'S FIRST TERM, 33% SAID THAT THEY THOUGHT THE DEMOCRATS SHOULD STAND UP AND ACCEPT A SCHOENBERG.

THE OTHERS FAVORED COMPROMISE.

THIS TIME AS REVERSED.

AND YOU SEE 65% OF DEMOCRATS SAYING IT'S TIME TO GO TO THE MATS.

AND EALLY STICK TO OUR PRINCIPLES AND STAND UP TO DONALD TRUMP.

SO THAT'S THE BASIC CHANGE I THINK THAT'S DRIVING.

YOU KNOW, CHUCK SCHUMER CUT A DEAL IN MARCH AND THE BACKLASH AGAINST HIM WAS FEROCIOUS.

>> Cathy: SO NOW THAT THE -- WELL, THE GOVERNMENT IS SHUT DOWN, I'M WONDERING, THE PRESIDENT SEEMS LIKE HE MIGHT BE UNBOUND, RIGHT?

I MEAN, HE'S THREATENING MASSIVE PERMANENT LAYOFFS AND THAT KIND OF THING AND PROGRAM CUTS.

DOES CONGRESS REALLY NEED THIS?

>> RIGHT, WELL, SCHOENBERGS ALWAYS COST THE GOVERNMENT MONEY.

THEY ALWAYS ARE A LOSS FOR THE ECONOMY, FOR SORT OF GDP, BUT HERE'S ONE CRITICAL DIFFERENCE.

EVERY SCHOENBERG THAT WE'VE HAD, FEDERAL EMPLOYEES HAVE ALWAYS GOTTEN BACK-PAY.

BOTH THOSE SHOWING UP TO WORK, ESSENTIAL WORKERS, AND THOSE WHO ARE BEING FURLOUGHS.

BUT NOW WITH HEAD OF O.M.B.

VOTE, YOU KNOW, TAKING DIRECTLY FROM PROJECT 2025, REPUBLICANS, ESPECIALLY PRESIDENT TRUMP, ARE POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT THIS AS A WAY TO IMPOSE RIFFS, REDUCE THE FEDERAL WORKFORCE.

>> Eric: SOMEBODY'S GOT TO BLINK AT SOME POINT.

>> YEAH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO APPRECIATE THAT THE STANDARDS HERE ARE DIFFERENT.

THE PRESIDENT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COUNTRY.

IF THERE IS A CRISIS, MOST AMERICANS, MAYBE NOT REPUBLICANS, BUT INDEPENDENTS, LOOK TO THE PRESIDENT, SAY, THAT'S YOUR JOB, RESOLVE THE CRISIS.

AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

IF YOU LOOK AHEAD JUST A FEW MONTHS, WE'RE GOING TO BE HEADING INTO MIDTERM ELECTIONS.

AND ONE OF THE MAIN DRIVERS OF THOSE MIDTERM ELECTIONS IS GOING TO BE PRESIDENTIAL APPROVAL.

ALMOST CERTAINLY, THE APPROVAL OF THE DEMOCRATS IS GOING TO GO DOWN.

BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER AS MUCH.

THE REAL FACTOR HERE IS DONALD TRUMP PROBABLY IS GOING TO BE BLAMED AS MUCH OR MAYBE MORE FOR THE SCHOENBERG AND WHAT HE DOES THE POLITICAL STUFF OF PUNISHING DEMOCRATIC STATES.

THAT DOESN'T HELP.

IT LOOKS LIKE THE USUAL SORT OF POLITICAL GAMES MANSHIP.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THIS IS -- WE'RE JUST SEEING A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DYNAMIC WITH TRYING TO DISMANTLE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, SORT OF MIXED DECISIONS FROM THE SUPREME COURT.

SO I THINK FEDERAL EMPLOYEES ARE FEELING LIKE THEIR FUTURE IS REALLY UNCERTAIN, WHICH WILL HURT THE U.S.

IN LONG RUN, AS PEOPLE WHO MIGHT CONSIDER A AREER IN PUBLIC SERVICE ARE LOOKING AT THIS UNCERTAINTY AND THINKING TWICE.

>> Cathy: SAY, AS APPLYCAL SCIENTISTS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SITUATION THAT WE'VE HAD HERE NOW FOR A WHILE, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP AMASSING SO MUCH PRESIDENTIAL POWER?

AT THE EXPENSE OF CONGRESS?

SEEMINGLY.

>> WELL, I MEAN, THERE HAVE BEEN DIMENSIONS WHERE PRESIDENTS HAVE BEEN GAINING POWER POUR VER THE LAST 60 OR 730 YEARS, PARTICULARLY IN AREA OF FOREIGN POLICY AND NATURAL SECURITY.

IF YOU THINK BABBEL BE TO JOE BIDE, HE WAS QUITE ACTIVE IN WAYS IN WHICH IT DIDN'T REALLY FOLLOW THE LETTER OF THE CONSTITUTION.

WHAT IS UNPRECEDENTED IS THE WAY IN WHICH DONALD TRUMP IS UNILATERALLY RESHAPING DOMESTIC POLICY.

THE MONEY'S THAT'S BEING SPENT, CONGRESS HAS APPROVED, HE'S REFUSING TO SPEND IT.

THIS IS KNOWN AS AN 'EM-POWELL MEANL.

BACK IN 1974, THERE WAS A FAKOUS SUPREME COURT DECISION SAYING, PRESIDENTS CAN'T DO IT.

NOW IT PEERS PRESIDENTS CAN DO IT AND DONALD TRUMP IS USING THAT POWER.

SUPREME COURT HAS REALLY SIDED WITH DONALD TRUMP, BUT BY KNOCKING DOWN THE FILIBUSTER, SORT OF LETTING HIM CONTINUE.

>> WELL, AND CONGRESS IS JUST WATCHING, RIGHT >> I MEAN, DEMOCRATS ARE PROTESTING, BUT DEMOCRATS ARE IN THE MINORITY IN BOTH CHAMBERS AND REPUBLICANS ARE JUST WATCHING INSTEAD OF SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS MONEY THAT THE CONGRESS APPROPRIATED.

WE ARE ARTICLE I OF THE CONSTITUTION.

THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT.

THEY'RE NOT HAVING REAL OVERSIGHT.

THEY'RE NOT PUSHING BACK.

THEY'RE SORT OF -- REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS ARE SORT OF IS A. ING HE'S THE LEADER OF OUR TEAM INSTEAD OF ASSERTING THEIR CONGRESSIONAL INDEPENDENCE.

>> Eric: A YEAR BEFORE THE ELECTION, IS THIS THE KIND OF ISSUE THAT CAN MOVE VOTES?

>> WELL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO APPRECIATE WHOSE VOTE IS GOING TO BE MOVED.

KEY FACTOR IN THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS IS GOING TO BE TURNOUT.

AND SO THE ISSUE OF DEMOCRACY AND WHETHER TRUMP TOMES IS AN AUTOO ACCURATE OR NOT, THAT'S, LIKE, RED MEAT TO DEMOCRATS AND YOU CAN SEE THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP USING IT TO CHARGE THEM UP.

FOR INDEPENDENTS, I THINK THE BREAD AND BUTTER ISSUES LIKE INFLATION AND HEALTHCARE IS AN INFLATION ISSUE AND POTENTIALLY WE'RE GOING TO SEE TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE SEE THEIR PREMIUMS SHOOT UP MAYBE 75% ON AVERAGE.

THAT'S THE KIND OF ISSUE THAT WILL HAVE BITE.

AND THE PRESIDENT, AS I SAID, COULD WELL BE BLAMED, DISPROPORTIONATELY FOR THIS, EVEN AS THE DEMOCRATS ARE BLAMED TOO.

>> Cathy: I'M WONDERING, BEFORE YOU GO, WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THE QUANTICO, VIRGINIA, AMASSING OF MILITARY LEADERS?

>> IT WAS STUNNING, THE FACT THAT THAT HAPPENED, IT WAS MILITARY LEADER, IT WAS NOT PARTICULARLY SAFE OR STRATEGIC TO HAVE THEM ALL IN ONE PLACE AND ACTUALLY THE RHETORIC ABOUT USING CITIES AS TRAINING GROUNDS, I MEAN, IT WAS SHOCKING AND THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH THAT'S BEEN SHOCKING, BUT THAT WAS TRULY SHOCKING.

>> Eric: AND THE HOUSE IS NOT COMING BACK UNTIL THE SENATE ACTS ON A ANTI-SCHOENBERG BILL?

>> YEAH, I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD STRAP IN.

I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A QUICK RESOLUTION, AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, EACH PARTY HAS VERY STRONG INCENTIVES TO TICK TO THEIR GUNS AND BOTH PARTIES THINK THEY'RE GOING TO WIN.

AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S TRUE.

I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK DONALD TRUMP'S GOING TO TAKE T ON THE CHIN.

>> AND IT'S ALSO NOT CLEAR WHETHER THE END WILL BE NEGOTIATED WITH DONALD TRUMP AND PARTY LEADERS OR IT WILL BE DEMOCRATS -- >> Eric: AND LEADERSHIP WILL THREATEN TO NOT ALLOW THEM HOME FOR CHRISTMAS IF THEY DON'T ACT ON A CONTINUING RESOLUTION.

THAT'S HAPPENED, I THINK.

THANKS, GUYS.

TREMENDOUS STUFF.

THANK YOU.

♪ >> ERIC: 40 YEARS AGO, WORKERS AT THE HORMEL PLANT IN AUSTIN, MINNESOTA, WENT ON STRIKE.

THE DAYS, WEEKS, AND DECADES THAT FOLLOWED THE WALKOUT AND BREAKING OF THE UNION BY THE COMPANY WOULD CHANGE THE SMALL-TOWN COMMUNITY IN WAYS MANY NEVER IMAGINED AT THE TIME.

FRED DE SAM LAZARO COVERED THE HISTORIC STRIKE AS HIS FIRST ASSIGNMENT FOR "THE MACNEIL/LEHRER NEWSHOUR."

AND HE RECENTLY RETURNED TO AUSTIN, MINNESOTA.

>> AUSTIN, MINNESOTA, HAS ALL THE POST-CARD TOUCHES OF SMALL-TOWN AMERICA.

RINGING CHURCH BELLS.

QUIET STREETS.

AND WEEKNIGHT FOOTBALL PRACTICE UNDER THE BIG WATER TOWER.

BUT IT'S IN AN ADJACENT FOOTBALL FIELD WHERE THE NORMAN ROCKWELL IMAGERY MEETS THE 21ST CENTURY.

THEY'RE PLAYING SOCCER ON IT OR FOOTBALL AS IT'S LIKELY KNOWN IN THE MANY NATIVE LANGUAGES OF THESE HIGH SCHOOL PLAYERS.

THE DEMOGRAPHIC TRANSFORMATION OF THIS COMMUNITY OF 26,000 OVER BARELY A GENERATION HAS BEEN DRIVEN LIKE MUCH OF ITS HISTORY BY HORMONE YES, HISTORY BY HORMONE HORMEL KNOWR ITS BACON, HAM AND MOST FAMOUSLY SPAM.

THERE IS EVEN A SPAM MUSEUM DOWNTOWN.

>> YOU HAD A COMPANY THAT HAD BEEN IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR 70, 80 YEARS.

HAD PROSPERED.

AND THEN SUDDENLY IN 1977, THE COMPANY ANNOUNCED THAT THEIR PLANT WAS HOPELESSLY OUTMODED.

>> LABOR HISTORIAN PETER RAT CLIFF SAYS HORMEL, CITING COMPETITIVE PRESSURES BE SOWGHTS AND WON TAX BREAKS FROM THE CITY ND A WAGE FREEZE FROM THE UNION IN EXCHANGE FOR MODERNIZING ITS PLANT AND KEEPING IT IN AUSTIN.

>> AND IN 1984, THAT SEVEN-YEAR WAGE FREEZE EXPIRED.

AND THE UNION SAT DOWN WITH THE COMPANY.

EXPECTING THAT WAGES WERE GOING TO GO UP.

AND THE COMPANY CAME TO THE BARGAINING TABLE AND SAID THAT THEY WANTED A 23% WAGE CUT.

AND AT THAT POINT, ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE.

[ PEOPLE CHANTING ] >> AFTER MONTHS OF AGITATION, 1500 WORKERS AT THE AUSTIN PLANT WALKED OFF THE JOB.

TENSIONS TEST KA LATED INTO THE BITTER WINTER.

AND NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS WERE CALLED IN O KEEP THE PEACE.

ESPECIALLY WHEN THE PLANT REOPENED ON THE COMPANY'S TERMS, WITH REPLACEMENT WORKERS AND ABOUT 500 STRIKERS WHO CROSSED THE PICKET LINE.

MORE THAN A IT THOUSAND WHO DIDN'T LOST THEIR JOBS.

>> I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU TO MAKE THIS MASS A SPECIAL MASS FOR PRAYERS FOR ALL THE COMMUNITY OF AUSTIN.

>> THE STRIKE DIVIDED CHURCH CONGREGATIONS, FRATERNAL GROUPS AN EVEN FAMILIES.

RONALD BERKSTROM RETURNED TO THE PLANT.

UNLIKE HIS BROTHER.

>> HE TOOK HIS POSITION, I TOOK MINE.

AND SINCE BEFORE CHRISTMAS, WE HAVEN'T TALKED.

>> I SAID, WELL, ONE SCAB IN A FAMILY IS ENOUGH.

>> WE REACHED OUT TO THE BERGSTROM BROTHERS, THEY ARE NOW RECONCILED AFTER YEARS OF BEING ESTRANGED, BUT THEY LIKE MANY OTHERS FROM THAT TIME FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE PICKET LINE DID NOT WISH TO REVIVE PAINFUL MEMORIES.

FOR ITS PART, THE HORMEL COMPANY ALSO DECLINED TO PARTICIPATE, SAYING IT HAD MOVED ON FROM THE STRIKE.

>> THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVING HERE THAT DIDN'T GROW UP HERE.

>> RACE HARDY GREW UP HERE AND AS A TEACHER, HE'S SEEN THE DEMOGRAPHIC SHIFT UP CLOSE.

>> I GRADUATED IN 1982.

>> HOW MANY OF YOUR CONTEMPORARIES ARE STILL IN TOWN?

>> I WOULD SAY 20%.

AND NOW AUSTIN IS A MAJORITY MINORITY SCHOOL -- >> SCHOOL DISTRICT.

>> SO PEOPLE WHO IDENTIFY AS CAUCASIAN ARE THE MINORITY, AND AT THE TIME OF THE STRIKE, IT WAS 98%.

>> RACE'S FATHER WILLIAM HARDY, SPENT 46 YEARS AT THE HORMEL PLANT STARTING RIGHT AFTER HIGH SCHOOL.

>> AND WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, HE WORKED IN RENDERING.

>> CLEANING OUT THE GUTS OF BIRDS.

>> SO IT'S ALL THE STUFF WE'RE NOT GOING TO EAT.

>> HE JOB DID SUPPORT A SOLID MIDDLE CLASS LIFE STYLE FOR THE HARDY FAMILY, ONE THAT ENCOURAGED HIGHER EDUCATION AND FROM HIS FATHER AND FELLOW MEAT PACKERS, THIS ADVICE.

>> THEY SAID DON'T GO WORK IN THE PLANT.

GO GET A JOB WHERE IT'S NOT GOING TO WEAR YOUR BODY OUT.

>> THAT'S THE OTHER THING, IT WAS HARD WORK, RIGHT?

>> YEAH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD CHALLENGE ANYBODY TO GO IN AND TRY TO WIELD A KNIFE AT THE SPEED AND THE ACCURACY OF CUTTING UP A PIG THAT THEY DO.

IT'S MIRACULOUS TO WATCH.

>> MEAT PACKING WORKERS HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN PEOPLE ONE GENERATION OFF THE FARM.

TODAY, THE WORKERS ARE FRESH OFF THE FARM IN ERITREA, IN TOGO.

>> DO PEOPLE CONNECT THE HORMEL STRIKE WITH THE IMMIGRATION THAT FOLLOWED?

GLOAFD, ABSOLUTELY.

>> TOM STEIN IS A FORMER MAYOR OF AUSTIN AND POLICE OFFICER, EVEN THOUGH SOME OF IN THIS NEARLY ALL-WHITE COMMUNITY WERE UNHAPPY WITH SO MANY NEW ARRIVALS, HE COMMUNITY AND ESPECIALLY POLICE HAD TO TAKE A NUANCED APPROACH TO IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT, HE SAYS.

>> IF THEY COMMITTED A CRIME, THEY WERE GONE.

BUT WE JUST WEREN'T GOING TO, YOU KNOW, STOP PEOPLE ON THE STREET AND SAY, OKAY, LET'S SEE YOUR PAPERS, BECAUSE IT WAS DISRUPTING A LOT OF THE FAMILIES AND STUFF IN TOWN.

>> IT WOULD HAVE DISRUPTED PRODUCTION AT HORMEL AS WELL, RIGHT?

>> OH, FOR SURE.

WE HAD TO INTEGRATE.

IT AWARD JUST THE FUTURE.

>> I WAS LOOKING FOR A BETTER LIFE AND BETTER OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE I GREW UP IN A REFUGEE CAMP.

>> OBALLO, FIRST ARRIVED IN MARYLAND BUT IT WAS HIS MOTHER WHO CAME HERE FOR A JOB.

>> SHE TOLD MY MOM, THIS TOWN IS REALLY QUIET.

GOOD PLACE.

YOU WILL FIND A JOB.

IT DOESN'T MATTER YOU SPEAK ENGLISH OR NOT.

>> HAT DID SHE DO AT HORMEL?

>> SHE WAS BE WORKING ON THE LINE IN THE HAM BONING DEPARTMENT.

>> HE BAREY SPOKE ENGLISH WHEN HE ARRIVED BUT WENT ON TO GET A COLLEGE DEGREE AND NOW WORKS A TEAM LEADER AT HORMEL.

>> SO YOU REPRESENT SOMETHING VERY IFFERENT THAN WHAT'S REPRESENTED ON THIS WALL.

>> YES.

>> AND IN 2020, OBALLA BECAME THE FIRST EVER NON-WHITE MEMBER OF AUSTIN'S CITY COUNCIL.

HE'S TAKEN PAINS TO ALLAY VOTER FEARS, HE SAYS, ABOUT IMMIGRANTS.

>> WHEN I DOOR KNOCK, SOMEONE WILL TELL YOU, ARE YOU EVEN A CITIZEN?

AND I DO HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE, OR PROVE MYSELF, WE ARE NOT HERE TO CREATE ANY CRIME.

THE GOOD THING, THE MAJORITY OF AUSTIN, THEY WERE READY FOR CHANGE.

♪ ♪ >> ERIC: FRED DE SAM LAZARO JOINS US NOW WITH MORE.

WELCOME BACK TO "ALMANAC."

>> IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE.

>> >> Eric: IT BROUGHT BACK A LOT OF MEMORIES TO BOTH OF US, REALLY.

BUT I WAS INTERESTED IN SOMETHING YOU COINED, WHERE YOU SAID, AUSTIN IS IN A SATE OF NERVOUS PROSPERITY.

CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT?

>> YOU KNOW, IT IS INTERESTING, YOU CAN GET AS MUCH WORK AS YOU WANT, IN THAT PLANT TODAY.

WHICH STRUGGLES TO FIND EMPLOYEES.

67% OR SO.

OR A SUBSTANTIAL UMBER OF WHOM ARE ACTUALLY MAI GRANTS, PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T GROW UP IN AUSTIN AND ALL LIKELIHOOD WEREN'T BORN IN THE UNITED STATES.

SO IT'S DEMOGRAPHICALLY VERY, VERY DIFFERENT.

ALL OF THIS UNFOLDING AT A TIME OF GREAT RANKER IN THE DEBATE OVER IMMIGRATION.

BUT WERE THESE PEOPLE TO NOT BE THERE, THERE WOULD BE A VERY DIFFERENT AUSTIN, MINNESOTA TODAY.

AND SO THAT IS WHAT ADDS UP TO NERVOUS PROSPERITY.

AND IF I CAN ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THAT.

>> Eric: PLEASE.

>> SLAUGHTER HOUSE WORK AS IT WAS KNOWN BEFORE IT WAS CALLED MEAT PACKING HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE FIRST STEP IN THE AMERICAN DREAM LADDER FOR NEW IMMIGRANTS.

YOU NEEDED TO KNOW HOW TO HANDLE A KNIFE, NOT HOW TO SPEAK ENGLISH AS MUCH.

AND THAT WAS THE CASE DATING BACK TO THE 1870s, 1880s.

AND URTHER.

AROUND THE 1930s, IT STARTED TO BECOME A MIDDLE CLASS OCCUPATION.

TICKENSIAN ECONOMICS AND THINGS WERE JUST FINE UNTIL THE MID-1970s WHEN YOU STARTED TO SEE A SHIFT.

WAGES CAME DOWN AS A RESULTED OF THIS STRIKE.

>> Cathy: WE WERE SURPRISES.

>> SO THE WAGES COME BACK DOWN.

AND AS I'VE SAID, YOU KNOW, I COULD HAVE SEEN ONE NON-WHITE FACE ON THOSE PICKET LINES IF I HAD BROUGHT A MIRROR WITH ME IN THOSE DAYS.

I MEAN, IT AS AN ALL-WHITE TOWN PRACTICALLY.

AND YOU GO THERE OW, AND IT'S JUST EXACTLY REVERSED.

AND DOES THAT NECESSARILY COINCIDE WITH THE FACT THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT THE WAGES DOWN AND YOU NOW HAVE IMMIGRANT LABOR?

BUT IT'S BACK NOW TO ITS ROOTS OF EMPLOYING NEW AMERICANS, OKAY?

AND IN MANY WAYS, THE FATE OF THE OFFSPRING OF THESE NEW IMMIGRANTS IS GOING TO BE A REALLY INTERESTING TEST ABOUT THE MINNESOTA EXCEPTIONALISM.

WILL WE SEE THEIR CHILDREN PROSPER AS MUCH AS THE PREVIOUS GENERATION?

YOU WORKED IN THAT FACTORY SO THAT YOUR KIDS DIDN'T NEED TO WORK IN THAT FACTORY.

>> Cathy: THE GENTLEMAN WHO'S A TEACHER.

NOW, OR WAS A TEACHER, RIGHT.

I WONDER WHERE THE NEXT WAVE OF IMMIGRATION WOULD COME FROM, IN TERMS OF, YOU ARE CORRECT.

THESE ARE NEW RESIDENTS.

THEIR KIDS ARE GOING TO SCHOOL.

AND I'M WONDERING WHAT THE NEXT -- WHAT DOES TEN YEARS LOOK LIKE?

DOES ANYONE VENTURE A GUESS?

I DON'T KNOW.

>> NOT THAT I ASKED AND IT WOULD WAY BEYOND MY EXPERTISE TO PREDICT, BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE STATE DEMOGRAPHER WOULD KNOW WHERE THE NEXT PART OF THE WORKFORCE COMES FROM.

BUT ASPIRATIONALLY.

IT NOT BE THE KIDS THAT ATTEND AUSTIN PUBLIC SCHOOLS TODAY.

>> Eric: I JUST LOVE THE FACT THAT SOCCER HAS PLAYED A PART IN BRINGING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER.

>> IT'S SPORTS.

AND IT WAS REALLY BREATH-TAKING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THE CROWD AT THOSE, YOU KNOW, IN THOSE STANDS.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE EMERGE BY JUST VIRTUE OF BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER, IN THE SCHOOLS, THE FORGING, YOU KNOW, OF A MORE UNITARY COMMUNITY IN A SENSE.

YOU KNOW, A SENSE OF ONE COMMUNITY AS OPPOSED TO SEVERAL.

>> Cathy: WE DID NOT REMEMBER THE P-9 UNION WAS DISMANTLED AND ABSORBED INTO THE LARGER I THINK NATIONAL ORGANIZATION.

IS THAT WORKFORCE UNIONIZED AT THIS POINT?

>> IT IS, AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, AN UNDERTOLD STORY THAT I HOPE WITH MY FRIEND PETER RACHLEFF TO TELL SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE.

THE UNION WHICH IS NOW DOMINATED BY IMMIGRANT LEADERS DID MANAGE TO NEGOTIATE A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN ITS MOST RECENT CONTRACT.

YOU KNOW?

WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT AUGERS FOR IN THE FUTURE I'M NOT SURE.

BUT IT'S REALLY INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT YOU'RE SEEING ARTS OF THIS CYCLE, YOU KNOW, REPLICATE ITSELF FROM BEFORE AND ARE WE GOING TO SEE THIS OCCUPATION BECOME A SOLIDLY MIDDLE CLASS ONE THAT WILL AFFORD THESE WORKERS A CHANCE TO SEND THEIR KIDS, YOU KNOW, TO OTHER OCCUPATIONS?

IF THEY CHOSE.

I MEAN, MAYBE THEY'D WANT TO WORK IN THE PLANT.

>> Eric: IS THERE THE FEAR OF I.C.E.

RAIDS?

IMMIGRATION RAIDS?

>> YOU KNOW, THAT IS A PERPETUAL FEAR THESE DAYS, I IMAGINE.

THE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A HUGE MEMBERSHIP-MASH OF PEOPLE THERE.

THERE ARE 46 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES SPOKEN THERE.

A LOT OF THESE FOLKS ARE REFUGEES.

MOST OF THESE PEOPLE, I DARE SAY, ARE LEGAL, BUT THERE ARE COMPLICATIONS EVEN WITH THAT, EVEN LEGAL VISAS CAN HAVE HOLES IN THEM POTENTIALLY.

AND THE ENFORCEMENT IS UNPREDICTABLE IN MANY WAYS.

AND SO NOBODY KNOWS.

>> Cathy: NICELY DONE.

>> Eric: FASCINATING STUFF.

IT WAS ALL LANGUAGE SYNE FOR ALL OF US.

♪ >> ADIA: OH, HEY.

I WAS JUST PRACTICING MY GEN-Z STARE.

HAVE YOU HEARD OF THIS?

APPARENTLY, SOME MEMBERS OF GEN-Z -- THE "NOT ALL" DISCLAIMER APPLIES HERE -- WILL STARE BLANKLY IN RESPONSE TO, WELL, ANYTHING THEY THINK IS INANE OR DECIDE DOESN'T REQUIRE A RESPONSE.

IT'S JARRING TO WALK UP TO PLACE AN ORDER AT A COFFEE SHOP OR SOMETHING, SAY, "HI," AND GET ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BACK EXCEPT A VACANT LOOK.

GRANTED, I'M PROBABLY DOING TOO MUCH.

I CAN GET CHATTY AND PROBABLY SAY TOO MANY WORDS TO A PERFECT STRANGER WHO JUST WANTS TO PUNCH IN WHAT KIND OF COFFEE I WANT.

BUT, DANG, A LITTLE PLEASANTRY HELPS US BOTH PRETEND LIKE WE'RE NICE PEOPLE WHO ARE 100% NOT RIDDLED WITH STRESS SO WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS INTERACTION UNSCATHED.

AS JARRING AS IT IS, THE GEN-Z STARE IS ABSOLUTELY A POWER MOVE.

I'M OVER HERE FUMBLING AND OFF-BALANCE BECAUSE THIS INTERACTION IS NOT GOING HOW I EXPECTED, AND THEY'RE OVER THERE AS COOL AS A CUCUMBER.

MAKES ME WANT TO USE IT MYSELF.

SOMEONE TELLS A POOR-TASTE JOKE?

GEN-Z STARE.

SOMEONE DOUBLES DOWN ON THEIR IGNORANT STANCE DESPITE ALL EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY?

GEN-Z STARE.

MWA-HA-HAAA!

I WOULD BECOME THE GEN-Z STARE CHAMPION.

DRUNK WITH POWER, I WOULD RULE THE WORLD WITH VACANT LOOKS!

AAAAND PROBABLY BE ASSUMED TO BE MENTALLY ILL OR SUFFERING FROM EARLY ONSET DEMENTIA.

ON SECOND THOUGHT, GEN-Z CAN KEEP THEIR STARE.

♪ >> CATHY: CONSERVATIONIST, HUMANITARIAN, AND GROUND-BREAKING RESEARCHER JANE GOODALL PASSED AWAY THIS WEDNESDAY AT THE AGE OF 91.

SHE IS BEST KNOWN FOR HER RADICAL AND IMMERSIVE WORK WITH CHIMPANZEES IN AFRICA.

A VIGOROUS ADVOCATE, SHE PASSED AWAY OF NATURAL CAUSES IN CALIFORNIA WHILE ON A SPEAKING TOUR.

SHE WAS SLATED TO SPEAK AT UCLA TONIGHT.

TWIN CITIES PBS, THEN KTCA, PRODUCED A DOCUMENTARY BACK IN 1999 LOOKING AT THE LIFE OF GOODALL AS SHE REFLECTED ON HER TIME IN AFRICA DECADES PRIOR.

>> IT'S QUITE DIFFICULT TO THINK BACK INTO EXACTLY HOW YOU WERE 40 YEARS AGO.

GLIMPSES, YES.

VIVID GLIMPSES, ABSOLUTELY.

I CAN PICTURE THE GIRL THAT I WAS.

AND I CAN FEEL HOW I FELT.

AFTER WE GOT THE TENT UP, I CLIMBED UP THESE SLOPES BY MYSELF, JUST FOR A SHORT TIME.

AND SOME BABOONS BARKED AT ME AND I HEARD RUSSELLS IN THE UNDERGROWTH.

IT WAS COMPLETE MAGIC.

IT REALLY WAS LIKE COMING HOME.

THE MOMENT I GOT UP INTO THE FOREST AT GONBE, I FELT THAT THIS WAS WHERE I BELONGED AND THAT THIS WAS THE PLACE I'D REALLY BEEN DREAMING ABOUT.

>> WITHIN THE NEXT FEW YEARS, THE DISCOVERIES OF THIS YOUNG WOMAN WITHOUT A DEGREE WOULD ROCK THE SCIENTIFIC WORLD.

HER OBSERVATIONS OF CHIMPS HUNTING, EATING MEAT, AND MOST IMPORTANT, USING TOOLS, WOULD LAND HER A NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC TELEVISION SPECIAL, INSTANTLY MAKING HER FAMOUS AND INTRODUCING ER TO HER FIRST HUSBAND.

THEY WOULD LATER HAVE A SON, HUGO, JUNIOR, BUT FOR MOST OF HER FIRST TWO YEARS AT GONBE, JANE LIVED IN SOLITUDE.

>> I SPENT HOURS AND HOURS ALONE.

HOURS DURING WHICH I LEARNED SO MUCH ABOUT THE WORLD ROUND ME, THIS NEW AND BEAUTIFUL WORLD THAT I WAS A STRANGER TO.

♪ ♪ WHEN YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN OUT IN NATURE, YOU DEVELOP SPECIAL RELATIONSHIPS OR I DID.

WITH INDIVIDUAL TREES.

WITH THE RIVER.

WITH THE THINGS THAT I WOULD PASS EVERY DAY AS I WENT UP TO THE PEAK AND LOOKED FOR THE CHIMPS.

I WOULD WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND I'D CLIMB UP TO THE PEAK AND I WOULD PASS SOME OF THESE JUST BEAUTIFUL TREES.

I WOULD ALWAYS PUT MY HAND ON THEM.

AND I WOULD HAVE A SENSE OF THE SAP RISING AND THE LIFE OF THE TREE.

I WOULD SOMETIMES SAY "GOOD MORNING" TO THE TREE.

AND IT WOULD BE THE SAME WITH SOME OF THE REALLY GORGEOUS ROCKS.

THEY HAVE A STRANGE SHAPE AND A LOVELY COLOR.

♪ DURING THOSE OURS WHEN I SAT HERE BYSELF, THERE WAS A REALLY STRONG CONNECTEDNESS WITH THE SPIRITUAL FORCE WHEN WHICH I FEEL AROUND US, PARTICULARLY WHEN I WOULD COME UP HERE IN THE MOON LIGHT AND HEAR THE STRANGE SOUNDS OF THE NIGHT AND NOT FEEL A STRANGER, BUT JUST FEEL A PART OF THIS BEAUTIFUL PLACE.

THE TIME WHEN I WAS COMPLETELY ALONE AT GONBE STANDS OUT AS PERHAPS THE MOST PERFECT IN MY LIFE.

I LOOK BACK ON THOSE EARLY DAYS WITH NOSTALGIA.

♪ >> THIS IS MY FAVORITE TIME OF YEAR AND IT'S ALSO THE WORST TIME OF MY YEAR TO GET ANY ACTUAL WORK DONE BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY BIRDS MOVING THROUGH MY YARD RIGHT NOW.

I AM JUST CONSTANTLY STARING OUT THE WINDOW.

>> Cathy: SO WHO'S LEAVING RIGHT NOW?

WHO HAVE YOU SEEN?

>> WELL, WE HAVE A HUGE BLUE JAY MIGRATION THAT'S PASSING THROUGH.

WE HAVE A LOT OF NATIVE SPARROWS THAT RE PASSING THROUGH RIGHT NOW.

SO A BIRD YOU MAY HEAR BEHIND ME IS THE WHITE THROATED SPARROW AND IT'S ALL THE YOUNG ONES WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO SING.

A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK OF IT AS THE OH, SAM, PEABODY, PEABODY.

AND MY BIRDS ARE LIKE -- [ SINGING OUT OF TUNE ] OH, SAM, PEABODY.

>> ERIC: IT'S HOT OUT THERE.

WITH A CHANCE AT RECORD-SETTING TEMPS NEAR 90 THIS WEEKEND, MANY HUMANS WILL BE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO COOL OFF.

BUT WHAT WILL THE BIRDS BE DOING?

HAS ANOTHER UNSEASONABLY WARM START TO FALL MESSED WITH THEIR MIGRATION PATTERNS?

LET'S ASK OUR RESIDENT BIRDER.

SHARON STITELER, KNOWN TO MANY AS "BIRDCHICK," IS HERE WITH SOME ANSWERS -- AND BIRD PICTURES -- FOR US.

I WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT THAT BIRD FEEDERS WOULD HAVE TOPPED THE AGENDA HERE FOR YOU TONIGHT.

>> IT IS SUCH A BIG QUESTION THAT I'M GETTING RITE NOW BECAUSE HUMMING BIRDS ARE STILL BEING SEEN IN THE METRO AREA AND FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO SAY, IT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO SEE A RUBY THROATED UMING BIRD AT YOUR FEEDER IN EARLY OCTOBER IN MINNESOTA.

THIS IS USUALLY THE LAST WEEK I WOULD EXPECT TO SEE THEM.

IF IT WERE A LITTLE CHILLIER, I WOULD PROBABLY BE TAKING MY HUMMINGBIRD FEEDER IN FOR THE SEASON THIS WEEKEND.

BUT I'M PROBABLY GOING TO LEAVE MINE OUT JUST FOR ANOTHER WEEK.

THE YOUNGER RUBY THROATS TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO HEAD FURTHER SOUTH.

SO GIVE THE KIDS A BREAK.

KEEP YOUR NECTAR FEEDER OUT THERE.

FRESHEN IT UP ONE MORE TIME.

IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ONE FOR SEVEN-DAYS, IT'S PROBABLY TIME TO TAKE THE FEEDER IN.

?RASES SO I AM WORRIED ABOUT THE -- >> Cathy: SO I AM WORRIED ABOUT THE WARM WEATHER.

>> IN SOME WAYS, IT'S KEEPING INSECTS OUT, SO THAT'S GOING TO HELP SOME OF THEM BECAUSE THERE ARE GOING TO BE FEWER INSECTS TABLE.

TEMPERATURE ISN'T WHAT NECESSARILY KEEPS BIRDS HERE.

IT HAS MORE TO DO WITH PHOTO PERIOD OR THE LENGTHS OF DAYLIGHT.

THAT'S THE CUE THAT TELLS BIRD WHEN THEY NEED TO MOVE NORTH AND SOUTH.

AS IT AFFECTS BIRDS' HORMONES AND THE SUN ANGLE HITS IN A CERTAIN WAY, IT'S SIMILAR TO THE WAY IT IS IN SPRING, SO YOU MIGHT HEAR BIRDS SINGING THIS TIME OF HEAR.

YOU MIGHT HEAR WHITE THROATED SPARROWS ARE SINGING.

>> Eric: CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF THAT?

>> YOU KNOW, ONLY MY PHONE DOES BIRD CALLS, NOT ME.

I ALMOST DID ONE.

BUT THIS WHITE THROATED SPARROW IS THE OH, PEABODY, PEABODY.

YOU HAVE ALL THE YOUNG ONES, SO INSTEAD OF GETTING THE -- [ WHISTLING ] YOU'LL GET WEIRD SONGS.

IT'S LIKE, ALMOST, YOU ALMOST HAVE IT.

SO IT'S -- >> Eric: DOES WHAT THEY'RE SINGING INDICATE THEIR MOOD?

>> OH, YEAH, ROBBINS SHOULDN'T BE INGING TERRITORY SONG THIS TIME OF YEAR.

AND SO IF THEY DO, THAT MEANS THEY'RE KIND OF RANDY.

THE SUN ANGLE IS MESSES WITH THEIR HORMONES.

ONCE THEY MOVE ON A LITTLE BIT, THE HORMONES WILL CALM DOWN.

>> Cathy: AND THEN THEY'LL BE ABLE TO JUST GO AWAY, HEAD SOUTH?

>> WELL, AND THE ROBBINS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ROBBINS ALL WINTER AND THE ROBBINS WE HAVE NOW, THEY'RE FROM CANADA.

THE ROBBINS WE HAD BREEDING IN OUR YARDS THIS SUMMER, THEY'RE GOING FURTHER SOUTH.

THEY'RE GOING TO THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE UNITED STATES.

BUT WE'RE GETTING THE BIGGER, MORE A.M.

MORE A.RAM BUNKSOUS OBBIVES FROM CANADA.

SOMETIMES THEY TEAL BAIT FISH FROM ICE FISHERMEN.

I GET -- >> ROBBINS WITH LITTLE MINNOWS.

IT'S THE WEIRDEST THING.

>> Eric: A BIT MISCHIEVOUS.

>> Cathy: HELP ME OUT HERE.

WHEN YOU AND I DID THAT LITTLE THING DURING THE PANDEMIC, YOU WERE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT BACKYARD WAS FULL OF NATIVE PLANTS.

>> YES!

>> Cathy: HELP ME OUT, THOUGH.

IS THIS THE TIME TO ACTUALLY PLANT NATIVE PLANTS?

BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GET A PROCESS SOONER ARREST LATER, SO WHAT'S THE POINT?

>> THERE'S SOME REALLY GREAT ONES YOU CAN GET RIGHT NOW AND SOMETIMES I CRUISE PLACES THAT HAVE NATIVE PLANTS ON SALE BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING THEM AT A DISCOUNT AND YOU CAN TRY THEM OUT.

I HAD A GOOD TIME PLANTING MENARDA, AND CARDINAL FLOWER, AND THEN THE ACTUAL FLOWERS COME THE NEXT YEAR.

AND ITH SOME OF THESE PLANTS, IT'S OT JUST ABOUT BERRIES.

I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO FEED MEAL WORMS WHICH IS BASICALLY THE SALAM YEAR OF THE BIRD WORLD.

THEY NEED OTHER TYPES OF INSECTS THAT ARE MUCH HEALTHIER.

SO THESE OTHER TYPES OF PLANTS THAT YOU CAN PUT OUT, HEY CAN PROVIDE SOME INSECTS.

I MEAN, YOU CAN GET BERRIES, CEDAR WAX WINGS LOVE TO CHUG DOWN ON THEM.

>> Cathy: DO THEY GET DRUNK?

>> OH, GOSH, DID YOU NOT SEE ME WHEN I GOT TO FOX NEWS TALKING ABOUT DRUNK BIRDS?

>> Cathy: OBVIOUSLY I MISSED THAT.

HOW DID I MISS THAT?

>> I ENDED UP ON JIMMY FALLON.

YEAH, NO, THAT HAPPENS IN SPRING.

DUNK BIRDS DON'T HAPPEN IN FALL.

THAT'S A SPRING THING.

YOU'LL GET BIRDS -- THIS IS ONE.

MY FAVORITE PHOTOS.

THIS IS A SPARROW TRIFECTA AND THEY'RE EATING ALL KINDSES OF SEEDS FROM NATIVE PLAFNTS.

LOOK FOR ECHINACEA AND THAT'LL BE OUT THERE.

AND YOU'LL ALSO SEE THINGS LIKE TREES ARE REALLY GREAT.

LIKE I'VE GOTTEN GOOD DEALS ON SNOWY MOUNTAIN ASH THIS TIME OF YEAR AND IT'S ALSO FUN TO SEE THINGS LIKE NUT HATCHES.

>> Eric: ANY NEW GANG >> Eric: ANY NEW GA GAJ GADGETSR BIRDING?

>> THE NEW ONE IS PROBABLY THE VIZIO.

IT'S THE BINOCULARS, THEY'RE A 10 BY 32 BINOCULAR THAT HAS A 32 MEGA PIXEL IN IT, AND IT HAS A MERLIN IN IT.

>> Eric: WHAT'S THE EVERYDAY LOW PRICE FOR THAT?

>> ABOUT 5,000.

>> Eric: WHOA!

>> Cathy: IF MY MOM IS WATCHING, JUST DON'T LISTEN.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THOSE REALLY COOL BIRD FEEDERS THAT HAVE A CAMERA IN THEM.

AND ON YOUR PHONE, YOU CAN SEE WHAT BIRD IS ON AT THE FEEDER.

I LOVE THAT.

>> +SPH-TS THEY'LL IDENTIFY THEM FOR YOU.

AND ACTUALLY ONE OF MY FAVORITE FEEDERS, IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BIRDS EATING ALL YOUR SEEDS TOO FAST, THERE'S AN AUTO FEEDER YOU CAN GET.

I PROGRAM TO PUT OUT SEED FIRST THING IN THE MORNING, AND THEN THE SPARROWS CLEAR OUT EVERYTHING, THEN THEY LEAVE, THEY'RE NOT EATING ALL THE SEED, AND THEN MORE COMES OUT.

>> Eric: I'M BEING CHIRPED AT.

SHARON, NICE TO SEE YOU.

♪ >> CATHY: IMPASSE AT THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL DESCRIBES POLITICS IN MINNESOTA AND D.C.

AT THIS POINT.

OUR POLITICAL REPORTER MARY LAHAMMER HAS BEEN TRACKING ACTION, OR LACK THEREOF, AT THE STATE AND NATION'S CAPITOL.

>> WE'VE HEARD THAT THE GOVERNOR IS GOING TO E CALLING A SPECIAL SESSION.

>> Mary: MORE THAN A MONTH AFTER THE IS AFTER THE I ANNUNCIATION SCHOOL SHOOTING, THE LEADERS ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT.

>> THE GOVERNOR IS THE ONLY PERSON IN THE STATE THAT CAN CALL A SPECIAL SESSION.

WE ARE WAITING FOR THE GOVERNOR TO DO THAT.

I HAVE BEEN IN MEETINGS FOR THE LAST PROBABLY TWO WEEKS ON AND OFF, THE FOUR LEADERS AND THE GOVERNOR.

>> WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT GUN VIOLENCE AND THAT WAS TOTALLY MISSING FROM THE REPUBLICAN OFFER.

SO FOR US TO COME BACK IN, AND GIVE REPUBLICANS EVERYTHING THEY WANT, WITHOUT ANYTHING WE WANT, THEY ARE ACTING JUST LIKE REPUBLICANS IN D.C.

RIGHT NOW.

>> LEADER MURPHY, MYSELF, THE GOVERNOR, PUT OUT A OFFER IN GOOD FAITH.

>> Mary: THE OFFER INCLUDED WHAT PARENTS HAVE BEEN DEMANDING, BANNING ASSAULT RIFLES AND HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINES.

>> I'M FEELING DISCOURAGED AFTER LISTENING TO MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES JUST NOW BECAUSE I HEAR ON THE ONE HAND THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AN OPEN PROCESS, WE'RE ALL LEGISLATORS CAN BE INVOLVED AND IN THE VERY SAME PRESS CONFERENCE, I HEARD LEADER NISKA SAY THAT THERE WASN'T A SINGLE REPUBLICAN VOTE FOR AN ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN AND THAT HE WASN'T EVEN GOING TO BRING IT TO THE FLOOR.

>> Mary: BILLS HAVE TO BE BIPARTISAN.

>> THE GOVERNOR'S TALK OF A SPECIAL SESSION HAS BEEN A PARTISAN POLITICAL STUNT FROM THE BEGINNING.

UNFORTUNATELY, HE HAS NOT BEEN INTERESTED OR HAS NOT ACTED IF IF HE'S INTERESTED IN FINDING BIPARTISAN SOLUTIONS TO THE PROBLEM F SCHOOL SAFETY.

THE PROBLEM OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

THE PROBLEM OF MENTAL HEALTH.

>> Mary: THEY'RE OT SAYING TALKS HAVE BROKEN DOWN, BUT LEADERS SAY THEY'RE AT AN IMPASSE.

>> THIS LEGISLATURE PARTICULARLY, ANY SO CLOSELY DIVIDED LEGISLATURE, WE CAN'T JUST LOOK FOR BIPARTISANSHIP.

WHEN WE HAVE TO SOLVE OUR MOST DIFFICULT ISSUE ISSUES AND LET'S SAY THAT KEEPING OUR KIDS SAFE FROM GUN VIOLENCE N SCHOOLS IS A DIFFICULT ISSUE IN THIS LEGISLATURE RIGHT NOW.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY.

>> WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS TO LOOK INTO THE EYESES OF MY SEVEN-YEAR-OLD AT NIGHT AND SHE LOOKS AT ME AND SHE TELLS ME SHE CAN'T GO TO SLEEP BECAUSE SHE'S AFRAID THERE'S A SHOOTER IN THE HOUSE.

GLAIM THE GLAIM >> Mary: THE HOUSE HASN'T HEARD A BILL FOR A WEAPON BAN.

>> NONHAS SAID, HELL, NO, MINNESOTANS AND MY COLLEAGUES UNDERSTAND THAT THIS MOMENT IS IMPORTANT.

AND THEY'RE TAKING IT VERY SERIOUSLY.

>> FOR OUR CAUCUS, THIS IS VERY PERSONAL.

THE REASON WHY I'M TALKING TO IS BECAUSE OUR LEADER WAS KILLED IN AN ACT OF GUN VIOLENCE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE UP ON THIS.

WE'LL KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT THROUGHOUT THE REST OF INTERIM, THROUGHOUT THE REGULAR SESSION, INTO THE CAMPAIGN AND INTO 2027.

WE'RE IN IT FOR THE LONG HAW.

>> PUNISHING CRIMINALS AS WE'VE SEEN, THE NUMBER OF SHOOTINGS ACROSS MINNESOTA ESCALATE, WE HAVE GOT TO GET A HOLD OF PUBLIC SAFETY TOO.

THAT INCLUDES UR KIDS IN OUR SCHOOLS.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO DOING THE WORK AND IT WILL CONTINUE ON.

THANK YOU.

>> Mary: THE IMPASSE AT THE STATE CAPITOL OVER A SPECIAL SESSION ISN'T THE ONLY POLITICAL STEALMATE, A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SCHOENBERG ALSO HAS AN IMPACT IN MINNESOTA.

>> IF YOU EXCLUDE HE POSTAL SERVICE, MINNESOTA IS HOME TO ABOUT 18,000 FEDERAL WORKERS.

MOST OF THEM WORK FOR THE DEPARTMENTS OF VETERANS AFFAIRS AND THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE.

>> THE HEALTHCARE OF THOUSANDS OF MINNESOTANS IS CURRENTLY ON THE LINE.

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SCHOENBERG IS HERE.

AND WITH IT, CONGRESS IS FACED YET GAIN WITH THE CHOICE OF WHO THEY WILL FIGHT FOR AND WHAT THEY WILL FUND.

>> Mary: FIGHT FOR OUR HEALTHCARE IS DEMAND FROM A GROUP JOINED BY THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL, WHO ALSO SERVED IN CONGRESS.

>> THIS IS WRONG.

IT'S UNFAIR.

IT OBVIOUSLY WILL IMPOSE DEVASTATING CUTS.

AND WHAT I REALLY HOPE IS THAT IT WAKES PEOPLE UP TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR NATION RIGHT NOW.

>> Mary: WITH NOWHERE SOYBEANS SOLD TO THE TOP MARKET OF CHINA TO THE U.S., THE MINNESOTA FARMERS UNION SAY THE MARKET WILL GO UNDER.

>> A LOT OF FARMERS RE GOING TO BE FACED WITH A CHOICE.

BUYING A HEALTHCARE INSURANCE POLICY, VERSUS MAKING THEIR LOAN PAYMENT TO KEEP THEMSELF OUT OF FORECLOSURE, OR IN SOME CASES, PUTTING FOOD ON THE TABLE.

>> REPUBLICANS NEED, NEED TO AGREE TO ROLL BACK THEIR CUTS TO OUR HEALTHCARE AND END THIS SCHOENBERG TODAY.

>> Mary: MAJORITY WHIP TOM EMMER DEFENDS REPUBLICANS WHO CONTROL CONGRESS.

>> WHEN A FEDERAL EMPLOYEES ARE OUT OF WORK AND FEDERAL CONTRACTORS ARE OUT OF MONEY AND PEOPLE CAN'T GET INTO STATE PARKS AND CAN'T GET THE SERVICES THAT THEY EXPECT, THEY'RE GOING TO GO HOME AND SAY, I HAD A CHANCE TO KEEP IT OPEN BY KEEPING CURRENT FUNDING LEVELS WITH NO REPUBLICAN, WHAT, TEASERS IN THERE, NOTHING.

>> THIS IDEA THAT YOU'VE GOT TO GO AND KISS THE RING OR GIVE SOME TYPE AWARD TO GET BASIC SERVICES THAT HE SWORE AN OATH TO -- THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS.

SO NO, I WILL NOT CHANGE HOW WE APPROACH THAT.

♪ ♪ >> AS WE NOTED EARLIER, WE ARE NOW THREE DAYS INTO A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SCHOENBERG WITH NO END IN SIGHT.

A SIMILAR DECKLOCK CONTINUES HERE IN MINNESOTA OVER GUN CONTROL AND A POTENTIAL SPECIAL LEGISLATIVE ESSION.

PLENTY TO CHEW ON.

SO LET'S GET RIGHT TO IT.

REPUBLICANS UP FIRST TONIGHT.

FRITZ KNAAK IS A FORMER STATE SENATOR, NOW AN ATTORNEY.

BRIAN MCCLUNG, FORMER -- DEMOCRATS JOINING THEM, ABOU AMARA IS A FORMER LEGISLATIVE STAFFER, NOW ALSO AN ATTORNEY AND ELLISON NESSY IS A D.F.L.

LOYALIST AND LOBBYIST AT THE CAPITOL.

BRIAN, ARE YOU SURPRISED BY THE NONDEVELOPMENT THAT THERE WILL BE EVIDENTLY NO SPECIAL SESSION AND TALKS JUST KIND OF DEADLOCKS?

>> I THINK WE SAW IT HEADED IN THIS DIRECTION.

I THINK MOST MINNESOTANS WANT TO SEE ACTION ON THIS ISSUE.

AND THAT'S PLAYED OUT IN THE PUBLIC POLLING AND SURVEYS.

BUT THE REALITY IS, THE MATH AT THE LEGISLATURE.

YOU KNOW, AND 67-67 IN THE HOUSE.

AND IN THE SENATE, IT'S 33-32.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TWO SPECIAL ELECTIONS COMING.

DON'T EVEN HAVE A AJORITY FOR EITHER PARTY IN THE MINNESOTA SENATE.

SO I THINK THAT HAS REALLY MADE IT VERY DIFFICULT ON A TOUGH ISSUE.

AND I THINK SOME OF THE LEGISLATORS ARE SAYING, AN ISSUE OF THIS WEIGHT AND MAGNITUDE DESERVES LEGISLATIVE HEARINGS AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

AND SO THAT LOOKS LIKE WHERE IT'S PROBABLY HEADED.

>> Cathy: BUT ABOU, THE GOVERNOR WANTS TO HAVE EVERYONE VOTE ON THIS.

HE WANTS REPUBLICANS TO TAKE A TOUGH VOTE.

>> AS HE SHOULD.

PARENTS ARE DEMANDING ACTION.

WE'VE GONE THROUGH ONE OF THE GREATEST CRISES IN OUR RECENT HISTORY.

THIS SUMMER, IT'S BEEN TERRIBLE.

AND SO IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE TAKE ACTION.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR PARENTS TO SEE WHO IS ON THEIR SIDE AT THIS MOMENT.

AS WE HEAD INTO THE 2026 LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

>> Cathy: BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE DEMOCRATS WHO DON'T REALLY WANT TO VOTE ON THIS.

>> THAT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THE VAST, VAST, VAST AJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT CHANGES TO THE GUN POLICY IN MINNESOTA HAVE BEEN DEMOCRATS.

AND TO BRIAN'S POINT ABOUT COMMITTEE HEARINGS, THAT'S JUST INSIDE BASEBALL.

WE KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTIONS ARE.

THEY WORKED 25 YEARS AGO WHEN WE HAD THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN.

>> Eric: WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS GOVERNMENT BY NEWS CONFERENCE THAT WE GOT ALL WEEK?

>> WHAT DIVING OF IT?

WHAT DO I THINK OF IT?

>> THE PART OF THE PROBLEM IS NO ONE'S TALKING TO EACH OTHER.

AND SO THE WAY YOU TALK TO SOMEBODY THAT YOU'RE NOT TALKING TO IS YOU BRING THE CAMERAS IN AND YOU YELL AT THEM AND THEY BRING THE CAMERAS IN AND THEY YELL BACK.

BUT THAT TELLS YOU THAT BASICALLY -- I MEAN, IF PEOPLE REALLY THOUGHT SOMETHING WAS GOING TO BE ACCOMPLISHED WITH SERIOUS DISCUSSION, THEY'D HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

IT'S NOT GOING ON.

BUT I DO WANT TO SAY ONE THING ABOUT THIS WHOLE GUN THING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MUCH OF IT THAT HAS THIS "WIZARD OF OZ" QUALITY TO IT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED ATTENTION TO THE GULF BEHIND THE CURTAIN.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS IS THAT ACCORDING TO THE F.B.I., OF THE 10,000 MURDERS, ROUGHLY A YEAR WE SEE THAT ARE GUN RELATEDRELATED MURDERS ONLY BOU2 OR 300 RELATE TO RIFLES HICH WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BANNING.

SO A LOT OF SKEPTICAL REPUBLICANS ARE LOOKING AT THIS THINKING SAYING, THIS IS JUST ALL FOR SHOW.

YOU HEARD PEOPLE SAY THAT IT'S ALL FOR SHOW.

IF YOU'RE REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT IT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH SOME OTHER THINGS LIKE SCHOOL SAFETY AND THAT ISSUE HAS COME UP.

I'M SURPRISED NO ONE'S SCREAMING ABOUT THE GOVERNOR TELLING THE CATHOLIC EDUCATORS TWO YEARS AGO THAT HE WASN'T GOING TO ALLOW CATHOLIC SCHOOLS TO BE PART OF THE STATE PROGRAM TO STRENGTHEN THE SCHOOLS.

>> Eric: PASS A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT AND LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE.

>> WELL, THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT BRINGING SUCH A DIVISIVE ISSUE TO THE VOTERS.

THERE TRULY IS.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW FEASIBLE THAT IS.

BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE BIG, BIG CHANGES IN, I MEAN, IT'S ALWAYS A CONSTITUTIONAL ARGUMENT.

SO MAYBE WE BRING THAT CONSTITUTIONAL ARGUMENT TO THE VOTERS TO DECIDE.

>> T'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> Cathy: I WAS GOING TO SAY --T HAPPENING?

>> NO.

>> Cathy: OKAY.

SAY, YOU'VE SAT IN THE HALLS OF POWER, ALL OF YOU HAVE.

IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY THE GOVERNOR WOULD CALL LEGISLATORS BACK WITHOUT AN AGREEMENT?

>> WELL, IT SEEMS UNLIKELY, RIGHT?

AND IT'S VERY RARE THAT GOVERNORS CALL THEM BACK WITHOUT -- I WAS INTEREST FOR ONE OF THOSE TIMES IN 2005 WHEN GOVERNOR PAW IMMEDIATELY CALLED A SPECIAL SESSION AFTER THE END OF THE REGULAR SESSION TO TRY TO GET WORKING ON A BUDGET AND THAT ENDED UP IN A STATE GOVERNMENT SCHOENBERG.

I THINK ARNE CARLSON TRIED TO CALL ONE TO TRY O DO A TWINS STADIUM.

SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEEING THE PATTERN THAT COMING BACK WITHOUT A PRESET AGREEMENT OR PLAN AND A SHORT TIME FRAME DOESN'T REALLY SEEM TO WORK.

>> Cathy: AND YOU'RE NODDING, ABOU?

>> I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE AGREEMENT ON THE FRONT END.

>> Eric: IS THERE POLITICAL BACKLASH FOR MINNESOTA CANDIDATES AND MINNESOTANS IN GENERAL, HOW THEY MIGHT BE AFFECTED BY THE FEDERAL SCHOENBERG?

>> IT'S AN INTERESTING BECAUSE MY DEMOCRATIC FRIENDS ARE ALL TELLING ME, OH, YOUR REPUBLICANS ARE DOOMED.

MEANWHILE, MOST OF MY REPUBLICAN FRIENDS ARE THINKING, BRING IT ON, WE CAN QUITE.

THE CONSTITUENCIES THAT ARE MOST AFFECTED TEND TO BE DEMOCRATIC CONSTITUENCIES AND FRANKLY I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT THEY GOT BACKED INTO THE CORNER THEY DID WHERE THEYND ED UP HAVING A SCHOENBERG.

I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO ULTIMATELY BE HURT BY THAT ARE THE DEMOCRATS.

PAST XPERIENCE SHOWS THAT, I THINK.

>> Eric: ALYSEN.

>> I DON'T SEE HOW THE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO TAKE THE FALLER FOR THE REPUBLICAN TRIFECTA WHO CANNOT GOVERN THEMSELVES TO PASS A BUDGET.

YES, THEY NEED 60 VOTES IN THE SENATE BUT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE IN THE MAJORITY AND YOU NEED TO GOVERN.

>> Eric: HOW CLOSE DID GOVERNOR PAWLENTY COME TO RUNNING FOR SENATE.

>> NOT VERY CLOSE.

I THINK HE'S REALLY ENJOYING HIS RETIREMENT.

I SAW HIM LAST WEEK, WE PLAYED A ROUND OF GOLF.

>> Eric: HE GOT SOME CALLS?

>> SURE, THERE ARE LOTS OF REPUBLICANS AND UR REPUBLICAN FRIENDS ESPECIALLY THAT WOULD LOVE TO SEE PAWLENTY BACK AND OF COURSE HE'S THE LAST GUY WHO WON A STATEWIDE ELECTION FOR REPUBLICANS.

SO SURE, I GET THAT.

HE'S HAVING A GOOD TIME.

I DON'T REALLY SEE THAT AS SOMETHING IN THE CARDS.

>> Eric: ENTHUSIASM FOR A THIRD TERM FOR GOVERNOR WALZ?

>> WELL, ACTUALLY, I THINK THERE'S MASSIVE ENTHUSIASM.

YOU'RE SEEING, IF YOU WILL, A GOVERNOR WHO'S ON A NATURAL PLATFORM, AND SO HE'S ABLE TO RAISE NATIONAL RESOURCES, ACTIVATE A PART OF THE DEMOCRATIC BASE THAT WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT HIM A YEAR AGO.

AND SO I THINK HE'S GOING TO MAKE SOME OF THESE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES KIND OF LOOK J.V., IF YOU WILL.

>> Eric: MIKE LINDELL, MY PILLOW GUY, COMING BACK RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR?

>> PLEASE NO.

[ Laughter ] THERE ARE A LOT OF POSSIBLE CANDIDATES.

I GET IT.

AND YOU HAVE TO DMIT THAT OUR BENCH IS KIND OF THIN AND THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR US.

TIM WALZ HAS GOT ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS.

YOU KNOW, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS THE FACT THAT I DON'T THINK HE DID HIMSELF MUCH GOOD IN TERMS OF HIS REPUTATION IN THIS STATE WITH THAT NATIONAL RUN.

HE'S GOT A LOT OF MONEY.

BUT HE'S DEALING WITH A SITUATION WHERE WE'VE SEEN FRAUD THE LIKES OF WHICH WE HAVE NEVER SEEN IN THIS STATE.

AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM FOR HIM.

>> Cathy: ALYSEN, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?

>> I, AGAIN, I THINK I'VE BEEN ON THIS SHOW BEFORE, I AM SURPRISED BY HOW GOOD TIM WALZ'S NUMBERS ARE AND THAT IS A GOOD THING.

HIS FUNDRAISING NUMBERS ARE GOOD.

HIS APPROVAL NUMBERS ARE GOOD.

AND IN FACT, LIKE, AMAZING AFTER TWO YEARS AND GOING INTO AN UNPRECEDENTED THIRD TERM, AND AGAIN, IF REPUBLICANS CAN PUT UP A CANDIDATE TO WIN STATEWIDE, WHICH THEY HAVE NOT DONE SINCE I HAVE BEEN IN HIGH SCHOOL, I WILL BE IMPRESSED.

>> THAT'S PAINFUL.

>> Eric: HOW DEEP IS THE SCHISM, THE CIVIL WAR BETWEEN D.S.A.

AND DHFL?

CHL IN MINNEAPOLIS?

>> THIS IS NOT NEW.

>> Eric: SPLASH ONTO 2026?

>> IT DOESN'T.

DONALD TRUMP IS THE ULTIMATE UNIFIER, WHEN DEMOCRATS ARE MAD AT EACH OTHER, THE PENICILLIN IS DONALD TRUMP.

>> Cathy: I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE FEDERAL SCHOENBERG FOREJUST A MOMENT IF I COULD.

WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF PERMANENT FEDERAL JOB CUTS AND PROGRAM CUTS, I AM WONDERING HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THIS MIGHT LAST?

>> YEAH, THIS LOOKS LIKE A LONG ONE, RIGHT?

AND THE LONGEST FEDERAL SCHOENBERG WAS IN TRUMP'S FIRST TERM, 35 DAYS.

AND I THINK IF YOU HAD TO BET RIGHT NOW, I WOULD BET ON THE OVER.

I WOULD BET THAT IT GOES MORE THAN 35 DAYS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS PERFECT STORM THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

DEMOCRATS WANT THE FIGHT.

DEMOCRAT ACTIVISTS WANT CHUCK SCHUMER IN THERE FIGHTING AND PUSHING BACK AND REPUBLICANS ARE LARGELY NOT FANS OF THE GOVERNMENT.

SO WHEN THE GOVERNMENT'S SHUT DOWN, THEY THINK, HEY, ALL RIGHT, WE CAN GET Y WITHOUT ALL THIS.

AND 75% OF WHAT THE GOVERNMENT DOES HAPPENS ANYWAY.

AND SO THE IMPACTS, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE SIGNIFICANT, ARE SOMEWHAT LIMITED.

AND SO I DO THINK THAT BOTH SIDES ARE DUG IN.

YOU DON'T REALLY SEE ROOM FOR COMPROMISE.

I MEAN, REPUBLICANS ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE UP ON, YOU KNOW, ON OBAMACARE SUBSIDIES AND ON HEALTHCARE FOR IMMIGRANTS.

AND DEMOCRATS HAVE -- SEE NO REASON TO GIVE IN EITHER.

SO I THINK THIS COULD BE A LONG RUN.

>> I THINK DEMOCRATS DID THE MORALRY CORRECT THING, BUT TACTICALLY, THERE ARE REAL QUESTIONS.

WHAT'S THE END GAME FOR THE DEMOCRATS?

I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS.

SO IT'S GOING TO -- THERE'S REALLY AT A STALL.

>> I'M NOT GOING TO RGUE WITH YOU ABOUT WHO HAS THE MORAL HIGH GROUND BUT I DO THINK IN THE LONG RUN, IT'S THEIRS TO LOSE.

>> AND DEMOCRATS VOTED 13 TIMES FOR CONTINUING RESOLUTIONS IN THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION.

REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS PASS A CLEAN C.R.

AND THEN WE CAN NEGOTIATE.

THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ALL OF THESE TERRIBLE OUTCOMES THAT YOU SEEM TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT.

WE HAVE IN THE THE END OF THE YEAR TO DEAL WITH THE OBAMACARE SUBSIDIES.

SURE, IT'S OVEMBER 1ST IS WHEN YOU GET OPEN ENROLLMENT.

BUT WE CAN FIND EXTENDERS ON THAT.

SO COME TO THE TABLE, PASS A CLEAN UPPED SIMPLE EXTENSION.

>> NOTHING CLEAN ABOUT TAKING HEALTHCARE AWAY FROM PEOPLE AND DOUBLING THE COST.

>> AND THERE HAS O BE TRUST AND THAT JUST DOES NOT EXIST.

>> Eric: YES OR NO, DID DO WE KNOW ABOUT WALZ'S RUNNING MATE?

>> MAYBE.

>> Cathy: MAYBE?

>> THERE WILL BE ONE.

>> Eric: MAKE SOME NEWS.

>> THERE WILL BE ONE.

>> Cathy: WE KNOW THAT.

>> Eric: THANKS, PANEL.

OFF WE GO.

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NOBODY TALKS ABOUT DETROIT NICE, BY THE WAY.

[ Laughter ] >> I HEAR THAT.

>> SO -- BUT COMPETITION, THE THING ABOUT COMPETITION FOR NEWSPAPERS IS, IT'S BETTER FOR THE NEWSPAPERS.- ITE NEWSPAPERS.- IT'SNEWSPAPERS.- IT'S BWSPAPERS.- IT'S BETPAPERS.- IT'S BETTEPERS.- IT'S BETTER RS.- IT'S BETTER FO.- IT'S BETTER FOR THE JOURNALISTS.

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