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>> ERIC: COMING UP IN THE NEXT HOUR, POLITICAL SCIENTIST KATHRYN PEARSON WILL TALK ABOUT THE LOOMING GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN IN D.C., CANTUS WILL SERENADE US WITH SONGS FROM THEIR UPCOMING SEASON, A POLITICAL PANEL WILL GRACE THE COUCH, AND MARY LAHAMMER HEADED BACK TO SCHOOL THIS WEEK.

>> Mary: CREATORS WANTED IS WHAT A NATIONAL GROUP OF MANUFACTURERS SAID WHEN THEY CAME TO MINNESOTA TO HELP RECRUIT STUDENTS FOR OUR MAJOR WORKFORCE SHORTAGE.

>> OUR EMPLOYERS IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE LOOKING FOR WORKERS ALL THE TIME.

>> Mary: THAT'S COMING UP ON "ALMANAC."

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>> ERIC: ON TONIGHT'S SHOW, TWO OF THE REPORTERS WHO BROKE NEWS LEADING THE STATE'S FIRST CANNABIS DIRECTOR TO STEP DOWN, THE CHORAL GROUP CANTUS IS HERE WITH A PREVIEW OF THEIR FALL PERFORMANCES, AND WE'LL TALK WITH A MINNESOTAN WHO WROTE ABOUT GIVING UP HER LEGAL CAREER TO MOVE BACK HOME TO INDIA AND CARE FOR HER AILING MOTHER.

>> CATHY: WE START TONIGHT WITH THE BIG NEWS OUT OF WASHINGTON, D.C.

IT'S FRIDAY NIGHT, JUST AFTER 8:00 P.M. ON THE EAST COAST, AND A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN SEEMS MORE LIKELY THAN EVER AS HOUSE REPUBLICANS CONTINUE TO BATTLE AMONGST THEMSELVES.

THIS AFTERNOON, HARD-LINE CONSERVATIVES FOILED SPEAKER MCCARTHY'S ATTEMPT TO PASS A STOPGAP FUNDING BILL THAT WOULD AVERT A SHUTDOWN AT MIDNIGHT SATURDAY.

HERE TO HELP US SORT OUT WHAT THIS MEANS, KATHRYN PEARSON TEACHES POLITICAL SCIENCE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA AND CONGRESS IS ONE OF HER SPECIALITIES.

WELL, THERE IS A LOT TO TALK ABOUT HERE.

SO THE SPEAKER'S DEAL TO KEEP GOVERNMENT OPEN COLLAPSES AND I'M WONDERING, WHAT -- WHAT'S BEHIND THIS POTENTIAL SHUTDOWN?

>> WELL, SO, WE'RE IN A SITUATION NOW WHERE THE 12 AND NONE OF THE 12 ANNUAL APPROPRIATIONS BILLS HAVE BEEN SIGNED INTO LAW, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT LAPSING IN FEDERAL FUNDING FOR EVERY AGENCY, 1.5 MILLION WORKERS FURLOUGHED OR AT LEAST UNPAID AND GOING IN AND WORKING BY NECESSITY.

IT'S REALLY AN EXTRAORDINARY SITUATION.

USUALLY WHEN WE HAVE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNS, IT'S I A SITUATION WHERE THE TWO PARTIES ARE BATTLING ONE ANOTHER.

IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, HOUSE REPUBLICANS CAN'T AGREE ON WHAT THEY WANT BUT IN SOME WAYS, THAT'S A MOAT POINT BECAUSE EVEN IF REPUBLICANS HAD PASSED THEIR BILL THIS AFTERNOON, THE SENATE DEMOCRATS AND PRESIDENT BIDEN WOULDN'T BE INTERESTED ANYWAY, AND SO WE ARE LOOKING AT A VERY LIKELY GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IS TODAY, 21 CONSERVATIVES WERE UNWILLING TO BACK THE REPUBLICAN PLAN.

AND THIS MEANS THAT SPEAKER McCARTHY'S POSITION AS ENTIRE IS REALLY IN JEOPARDY.

ANY OF THESE REPUBLICANS COULD MOVE TO VACATE THE SPEAKERSHIP AND I THINK THAT'S -- WE'RE HEADING TOWARD THAT SCENARIO.

>> Eric: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DEBT CEILING AGREEMENT?

>> THE DEBT CEILING AGREEMENT WAS PASSED WITH BIPARTISAN SUPPORT BUT MORE DEMOCRATS VOTED FOR THAT BILL IN THE HOUSE THAN REPUBLICANS DID, AND SO THAT MADE CONSERVATIVES VERY ANGRY AT McCARTHY.

THIS HAPPENED BACK EARLY IN THE SUMMER AND THEY'VE VOTED DOWN SEVERAL ULES SORT OF HOLDING UMM BUSINESS IN THE HOUSE FOR WEEKS AT A TIME AND SO IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THE CONSERVATIVES ARE JUST UNHAPPY WITH McCARTHY, BOTH BECAUSE HE WON'T LOWER THE SPENDING LIMITS THAT ACTUALLY EVERYONE AGREED TO EARLIER IN THE SUMMER AND BECAUSE THEY WANT TO PASS POLICY PROVISIONS ON THESE SPENDING BILLS.

>> Cathy: I SUPPOSE THE SPEAKER WOULD NOT FORGE AN ALLIANCE WITH DEMOCRATS.

>> WELL, HE MAY HAVE TO.

SO WHAT IS LIKELY TO HAPPEN IS ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS, THE SENATE IS LIKELY TO PASS A CONTINUING ESOLUTION TO KEEP THE GOVERNMENT RUNNING FOR ABOUT SIX WEEKS WHILE THEY CAN FIGURE OUT THE APPROPRIATIONS BILLS.

AND IF THAT BILL WERE TO MAKE IT ON THE HOUSE FLOOR, ASSUMING THE SENATE PASSES IT TOMORROW, IT WOULD GET 218 VOTES.

BUILT THE MAJORITY OF THOSE VOTES WOULD COME FROM DEMOCRATS AND SO SPEAKER McCARTHY'S UNWILLING TO DO THAT OR IT WILL COST HIM HIS SPEAKERSHIP.

>> Eric: SO MUCH SPECULATION ABOUT AND DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, ONE OF THEM IS THE FREEDOM CAUCUS IN THE HOUSE, THE REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVES OUST McCARTHY NEXT WEEK AND TOM EMMER, THE WHIP, MINNESOTA C.D.

6 BECOMES THE SPEAKER.

WHAT DO YOU HINK?

>> I THINK THAT IS A POSSIBILITY.

I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ANYONE THAT EVERYONE IS LINED UP BEHIND BUT RIGHT NOW, EMMER IS THE THIRD IN LINE FOR THE LEADERSHIP.

NUMBER 2, STEVE SKA LEASE FROM LOUISIANA IS A POSSIBILITY.

>> Eric: UNDERGOING CANCER TREATMENT, THOUGH.

>> A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED.

I THINK EMMER AS A WHIP IS LARGELY LIKED.

ON THE OTHER HAND, HIS KEY JOB IS TO GET 2318 VOTES TO PASS LEGISLATION AND REPUBLICANS HAVE NOT BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL WITH THAT THESE DAYS.

>> Cathy: WHEN HAVE WE LAST SEEN THIS KIND OF MUTINY BEFORE IN A CAUCUS?

>> I WOULD ARGUE AS THIS IS AS EXTREME AS WE EVER SAW IT BUT WE SAW IT IN 2015 WITH SPEAKER JOHN BOEHNER WHO DID GIVE UMM THE SPEAKERSHIP BECAUSE THERE WAS MOVEMENT TO OUST HIM BY HIS OWN REPUBLICANS BECAUSE HE RELIED ON DEMOCRATIC VOTES TO PASS MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUDGET ILLS.

GO.

>> Eric: HOW IS IMMIGRATION AT THE BORDER COMING TO PLAY AS THEY NEGOTIATE TERMS?

>> IT'S DEFINITELY PART OF IT, BOTH BECAUSE IT REQUIRES FUNDING O SECURE THE BORDER AND BECAUSE REPUBLICANS WANTS TO ATTACH POLICY PROVISIONS SORT OF CURBING IMMIGRATION TO THESE BILLS.

NOW, POLICY PROVISIONS ARE NOT ALLOWED ON APPROPRIATIONS BILLS AND SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

NOW, THE RULES COULD BE ALTERED FOR THIS BILL TO ALLOW THEM BUILT THE PRESIDENT WOULDN'T SIGN THEM AND SENATE DEMOCRATS WOULDN'T GO ALONG WITH THEM, SO THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVING PIECES BECAUSE THESE APPROPRIATIONS BILLS OR A CONTINUING RESOLUTION, THEY'RE CONSIDERED MUST-PASS LEGISLATION, MAJORITY PARTY REPUBLICANS VIEW THEM AS A VEHICLE TO ATTACH PROVISIONS TO BUT IT WON'T WORK.

>> Cathy: SO ONE OF THE LONGEST SERVING SENATORS HAS DIED, DIANE FEINSTEIN, DIED AT THE AGE OF 90.

WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SAY ABOUT HER LEGACY?

>> HER LEGACY IN TERMS OF ENCOURAGING WOMEN AND FORGING A PATH FOR WOMEN IN CONGRESS, IN THE SENATE, IN THE HOUSE, AND AS MAYORS, WAS REALLY INCREDIBLE.

I MEAN, HER -- SHE HAS BEEN A POWERFUL FORCE IN POLITICS FOR DECADES FROM THE START OF HER CAREER AFTER THE ASSASSINATION OF MUGS CONNIE AND MILK IN SAN FRANCISCO, SORT OF BECOMING A MAYOR BORN OF TRAGEDY, THEN RUNNING IN 1992 FOR THAT SPECIAL ELECTION FOR THE U.S. SENATE IN CALIFORNIA.

AT THAT TIME, THERE WERE ONLY TWO SITTING WOMEN IN THE SENATE, AND SO SHE REALLY CHANGED THE SENATE.

SHE CHANGED IT FOR WOMEN AND SHE CHANGED IT FOR CALIFORNIANS AND SHE HAD A MAJOR IMPACT ON A LOT OF POLICIES.

THE 1994 ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN, CERTAINLY RELEASING A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT TORTURE DURING THE IRAQ WAR OF 9/11.

AND SO SHE HAD A VERY SIGNIFICANT LEGACY AND I THINK SHE WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR HER LEGACY IN TERMS OF POLICY-MAKING AND OPENING DOORS FOR WOMEN.

>> Eric: THANKS MORE OR LESS SHARING YOUR EXPERTISE, AS USUAL.

THANKS A LOT.

>> Cathy: THANK YOU.

>> Eric: THANKS.

♪ >> ERIC: AS WE JUST DISCUSSED, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS ON THE BRINK OF SHUTTING DOWN THIS WEEKEND.

ADD IN THE UNITED AUTO WORKERS STRIKES WIDENING ACROSS THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING TO A MINNESOTA FACILITY, AND THERE ARE RISING CONCERNS ABOUT THE ECONOMY.

HERE TO TELL US WHAT THIS COULD MEAN FOR MINNESOTANS, LOUIS JOHNSTON TEACHES ECONOMICS AT THE COLLEGE OF ST. BENEDICT AND ST. JOHN'S UNIVERSITY.

WELL, PROFESSOR, 17,000 FEDERAL WORKERS IN MINNESOTA, THEREABOUTS, WHAT WILL THIS MEAN FOR THE STATE IF IT HAPPENS?

>> WELL, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAVE TOO MUCH OF AN ECONOMIC EFFECT RIGHT OFF THE BAT BUT IT WILL HAVE BIG ECONOMIC EFFECTS FOR INDIVIDUAL FAMILIES.

MA'AM YOU HAVE TO GO TO WORK BUT YOU'RE NOT GETTING PAID.

DON'T WORRY, WE'LL PAY YOU IN A FEW WEEKS, THAT'S KIND OF THE SCENARIO THAT A LOT OF THESE FEDERAL WORKERS WILL BE FINDING THEMSELVES IN SO THAT'S TOUGH.

>> Cathy: I WOULD BET THAT PROBABLY THE ENGTH OF THE SHUTDOWN WILL MATTER HERE IN TERMS OF THE ECONOMIC RIPPLES.

>> YES, AND THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION.

THE LONGER IT GOES, THE BIGGER THE EFFECT WILL BE SO THE LAST ONE WAS 35 DAYS, I THINK IT WAS.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT TOO BAD, YOU CAN KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT YOUR CREDIT CARDS, YOU CAN FLOAT SOMETHING FOR A MONTH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT WHEN YOU START GETTING OUT 60 DAYS, 90 DAYS, THAT STARTS TO REALLY MESS UP SUPPLY CHAINS.

THINK ABOUT, FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF THE JOBS THAT ARE IN FOOD INSPECTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE INSPECTORS ON THE LINE TO BE ABLE TO DO THESE THINGS, YOU'RE GOING TO RUN DOWN YOUR INVENTORY AND ALL OF A SECOND, WAIT A SECOND, HOW WILL I GET THE EGGS OUT THE DOOR AND THESE CUTS OF MEAT.

>> Eric: DOES IT MEAN ANYTHING FOLLOWING MARKETS, REDUCING CONFIDENCE IN THE UNITED STATES LEADERSHIP?

>> I DON'T THINK IT DOES NOW BUT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE FACING IS THE PEOPLE WHO DO THE ECONOMICS STATISTICS, WHO GATHER THE DATA AND THAT KIND OF STUFF, THEY'LL BE ON FURLOUGH.

FOR EXAMPLE, NEXT FRIDAY, WE MAY NOT GET THE UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS BECAUSE THE EOPLE WHO PUT THEM TOGETHER AND REPORT THEM, THEY WON'T BE THERE.

>> Cathy: AND ADD TO ON TOP OF ALL THIS, THE UAW STRIKE, WHAT ARE THE WRINKLE EFFECTS OF THAT?

>> WELL, THIS IS VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE THE WAY THAT STRIKES LIKE THIS HAVE USUALLY BEEN DONE IS THEY CALL THE STRIKE AND, BOOM, THEY GO.

THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT THIS TIME WITH GOING AFTER A COUPLE OF PLANTS, THEN GOING AFTER SOME OF THESE PARTS PLACES, NOW TODAY THEY ADDED OTHER PLANTS.

THEY'RE IND OF TURNING UP THE HEAT A LITTLE BIT ON THIS FROG, SO TO SPEAK, AND IT'S GETTING A LITTLE BIT WARM.

I DON'T THINK IT'S HAVING A BIG EFFECT YET.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S SO DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS STRIKE THAN, SAY, EVEN 15 YEARS AGO IS THE UNIONIZED SECTOR IS ONLY 150,000 WORKERS.

THAT'S JUST NOT THAT BIG, SO IT'S IMPORTANT, THEY'RE IN IMPORTANT PLACES BUT THERE JUST AREN'T THAT MANY UNIONIZED AUTO WORKERS COMPARED TO, SAY, 50 YEARS AGO OR EVEN 70 YEARS AGO.

>> Eric: IS THE LABOR MOVEMENT SEEING A BUILT OF RESURGENCE?

>> I THINK THEY ARE, AND IT'S ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT LEVERAGE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN I WOULD ARGUE 40 YEARS, REALLY SINCE PRESIDENT REAGAN FIRED THE AERIAL TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS, WE'VE GOT A SITUATION WHERE LABOR UNIONS NOW CAN ACTUALLY EXERT SOME PRESSURE ON MANAGEMENT.

>> Cathy: SAY, ANOTHER BIT OF THE ECONOMY, WHAT OES IT MEAN THAT NEW HOME CONSTRUCTION FELL 11%?

>> MEANINGS THE FELD'S INTERESTS RATE HIKES ARE REALLY BITING, REALLY CULTING INTO PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO GO OUT THERE AND BUY HOMES.

MORTGAGE RATES HAVE NOW HIT THEIR HIGHEST POINT IN, I THINK, 20 YEARS RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE OVER 7%.

THAT IS EXPENSISM.

WHEN YOU START THINKING ABOUT GETTING TOGETHER A DOWN PAYMENT AND THEN HAVING TO ALSO PAY THAT MUCH INTEREST EVERY MONTH, YOU START TO THINK, I THINK THE HOME I'VE GOT NOW IS OKAY, OR MAYBE I'LL KEEP RENTING FOR A WHILE LONGER AND WAIT FOR MAYBE INTEREST RATES TO GO DOWN OR MAYBE GET A LITTLE BIT BIGGER CUSHION FOR A DOWN PAYMENT.

>> Eric: AS THE FED WORKS ON INFLATION, IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT BAD NEWS IS OFTEN GOOD NEWS?

>> WELL, THAT'S THE IRONY OF THIS IS THAT IT IS FED RAISING INTEREST RATES IS SUPPOSED TO SLOW THE ECONOMY DOWN.

IT'S SLOWING DOWN THE HOUSING SECTOR, AUTOMOBILES WERE ALREADY SLOWING DOWN, SO, YEAH, IT'S DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO BUT IT'S KIND OF LIKE LOSING WEIGHT.

I DON'T REALLY WANT TO DO THE THINGS THAT I NEED TO DO TO LOSE WEIGHT BUILT I DO WANT THE RESULTS.

>> Eric: DID YOU SAY THE U.A.W.B.STRIKE LASTING QUITE A WHILE?

>> NO, I DON'T, ACTUALLY.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO GET SETTLED PRETTY SOON BUT THE AUTO WORKERS HAVE A POINT ABOUT THE GAINS THAT UPPER MANAGEMENT AND SHAREHOLDERS HAVE MAILED SINCE 2007 WITH THE BANKRUPTCIES AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REALLY SIT DOWN AND HAMMER THIS OUT.

BUT THERE IS A LOT TO LOSE THERE SO I DON'T THINK THEY CAN LET IT GO VERY LONG.

>> Eric: THANKS FOR COMING DOCUMENT.

>> Cathy: GOOD SO SEE YOU.

>> Eric: GOOD TO EE YOU, THANKS.

>> ERIC: THANKS, PROFESSOR.

WE'RE GOING TO HEAD OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STUDIO FOR OUR NEXT DISCUSSION.

WHILE WE DO THAT, DAVID GILLETTE PONDERS THE POSSIBILITIES OF GETTING OLDER.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> David: ONE OF THE REASONS A GENUINELY EXCITED TO GET OLD IS THAT AS AN OLDER PERSON, YOU'RE ALLOWED CERTAIN ECCENTRICITIES, WHICH APPEALS TO ME.

THE PROBLEM IS THERE'S SO MANY TO CHOOSE FROM SO TODAY, JUST FOR FUN, I THOUGHT I WOULD TRY A FORECAST OF SORTS, A GAME OF PROBABILITIES.

FOR EXAMPLE, NOVELTY BEARDS.

THIS IS SOMETHING OLDER GENTLEMEN DO AND ON THE PRO SIDE, EVERYBODY CAN IMMEDIATELY TELL WHAT YOU'RE EXCITED ABOUT.

BUT ON THE CON, I'VE NEVER BEEN COMFORTABLE SLEEPING IN MY WORK ATTIRE.

FOR ME, LOW PROBABILITY, 6%.

HOW ABOUT TINY DOGS?

THIS IS VERY COMMON BUT HONESTLY, THEY MAKE ME THINK OF TINY DOG SWEATERS AND TINY DOG KISSES AND TINY DOGGIE THEMED CHRISTMAS CARDS.

I'M NOT ON BOARD FOR THE LIFESTYLE, LOW PROBABILITIES, 15%.

HOW ABOUT THE GUY WHO OWNS ALL THE TOOLS?

I DO LOVE WOODWORKING AND I ALREADY OWN TOOLS SO WHAT ARE THE ODDS I'LL DIE WITH A GARAGE FULL OF CHISELS THAT WILL TAKE MY KIDS YEARS TO SORT OUT?

HIGH PROBABILITY, 96%.

OR MAYBE I'LL DO THE EXACTS OPPOSITE, COMPLETE MINIMALISM.

MAYBE I'LL EVEN RETIRE TO A NUDIST COLONY.

I WILL ADMIT I'M ATTRACTED TO THE SIMPLICITY OF NAKEDNESS BUT I ALSO DON'T WANTS SAND EVERYWHERE.

LOW PROBABILITIES, 13.2%.

HERE'S SOMETHING MORE LIKELY, YARD DECORATIONS.

I KEEP THINGS PRETTY BASIC THESE DAYS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SCARE AWAY THE NEIGHBORS BUT SOME DAY, A BUNCH OF WEIRD SCULPTURES THAT GETTER AND SPARKLE AND MAKE IT SO I DON'T HAVE TO MOUA ANYMORE, THAT'S POSSIBLE.

54%.

EVEN MORE LIKELY, SOMETHING SPIRITUAL.

YOU SEE, I'M NOT ENAMORED WITH MOST MAJOR RELIGIONS BUT MAYBE A MORE NICHE OFFERING, SOMETHING WITH A HARD TO PRONOUNCE NAME, A COMFORTABLE DRESS CODE AND AN AMULET OR CRYSTAL?

I'M OPEN.

62.4%.

OR I COULD KEEP DRAWING PICTURES ABOUT MYSELF.

IF I'M HONEST, I COULD TRANSPLANT MY CURRENT LIFESTYLE TO A PARK BEEN MUCH SOMEWHERE AND THEY'D ALREADY BE AS ECCENTRIC AS THEY COME.

MORE OF THE SAME, THAT'S A LOCK.

159%.

♪ >> CATHY: LAST THURSDAY, GOVERNOR WALZ NAMED MINNESOTA'S FIRST STATE CANNABIS DIRECTOR, ERIN DUPREE, AN INDUSTRY ENTREPRENUER WHO HAD NEVER WORKED IN GOVERNMENT BEFORE.

IT WAS A TITLE SHE HELD FOR JUST ONE DAY.

DUPREE STEPPED DOWN AFTER REPORTS BY BOTH THE "STAR TRIBUNE" AND MINNESOTA PUBLIC RADIO NEWS REVEALED THAT HER BUSINESS SOLD PRODUCTS THAT ARE NOT LEGAL HERE IN MINNESOTA.

WITH US TONIGHT, A DUO OF "STAR TRIBUNE" REPORTERS WHO BROKE THE NEWS LAST FRIDAY.

BROOKS JOHNSON IS A BUSINESS REPORTER WHO'S BEEN PARTNERING WITH POLITICAL REPORTER RYAN FAIRCLOTH FOR MUCH OF THE PAPER'S CANNABIS COVERAGE.

WELCOME BACK TO BOTH OF YOU.

RYAN, THE VETTING WAS LACKING HERE IN THE ADMINISTRATION.

HOW HARD DID YOU GUYS HAVE TO DIG TO FIND THE ISSUES WITH ERIN DUPREE?

>> NOT VERY HARD AT ALL.

WELL, PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE GOT A TIP IN OUR INBOX ON FRIDAY MORNING FROM FOLKS IN THE CANNABIS INDUSTRY WHO HAD BEEN BACK-GROUNDING HER THEMSELVES AND THEY HAD SCREEN SHOTS OF HER OBJECTLINE LISTINGS WHICH WERE ALL DELETED BY THE TIME I CHECKED, IT WAS COMPLETELY SCRUBBED AND THEY HAD SOCIAL MEDIA VIDEOS FROM HER TIKTOK AND OTHERS WHERE SHE WAS ADVERTISING ILLEGAL PRODUCTS WITH TWICE THE HC LIMIT, SOME WITH FAR MORE THAN THAT WHICH ALSO WERE DELETED, ALL THE SOCIAL MEDIA PAGES WERE TAKEN DOWN BUT WE HAD THESE IN A NILE SENT TO US, SO WE HAD COPIES OF THEM BACKED UP AND THEN WE CROSS-CHECKED THAT WITH THE LAB TEST RESULTS FOR HER PRODUCTS, PROVIDED ON HER OWN WEBSITE.

BECAUSE THESE HEMP SHOTS ARE REQUIRED TO INCLUDE THE LAB TEST RESULTS TO SHOW THAT THE PRODUCTS CONTAIN WHAT THEY ACTUALLY CONTAIN.

SO WE LOOKED AT THE LAB TEST RESULTS THAT SHE VOLUNTARILY PROVIDED, AGAIN, THC FAR BOTCH THE LEGAL LIMIT.

>> Eric: WHAT'S HER SIDE OF THE STORY?

>> WELL, I'VE BEEN COVERING THERE FOR A WHILE NOW, BACK IN WASHINGTON STATE, ALMOST TEN YEARS AGO, I WAS STANDING IN LINE WHEN THE INDUSTRY FIRST CAME ON LINE SO I TRY TO SEE MYSELF AS A CANNABIS INDUSTRY EXPERT.

SO WHEN I SEE THESE PRODUCTS AND THIS TIP COME THROUGH, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMMEDIATE, YOU KNOW, THE SIRENS GO OFFER.

IT'S LIKE THE LAW IN MINNESOTA IS CLEAR, AND HAS BEEN SINCE SUMMER 2022.

YOU EED TO HAVE EDIBILITIES WITH MAXIMUM FIVE MILLIGRAMS OF THC AND 50 MILLIGRAMS A PACKAGE.

THAT'S IT.

DRINKS CAN HAVE 10 MILLIGRAMS PER CAN BUT ON THE BUSINESS SIDES OF THINGS, IT'S BEEN KIND OF HARD TO REGULATE.

THE BOARD OF PHARMACY WAS INITIALLY NOT GIVEN RESOURCE TOSS CRACK DOWN ON, YOU KNOW, PRODUCTS THAT DID NOT COMPLY WITH THE LAW, AND NOW THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH HAS JUST TAKEN IT OVER, JUST STARTING TO DO COMPLIANCE CHECKS SO IT'S BEEN A ROCKY ROAD.

>> Cathy: DID SHE FLOW SHE WAS NOT IN COMPLIANCE?

>> YEAH, SHE LET OUT A STATEMENT THE DAY OF OUR SORRY SAYING THAT SHE WAS STEPPING DOWN BUT SAYING SHE NEVER KNOWINGLY SOLD NON-COMPLIANT PRODUCTS.

SHE'S SINCE DONE AN INTERVIEW WITH QCCO, I BELIEVE, AND THEN AN INTERVIEW WITH A LOCAL PODCAST ON WHERE I SHE SAID SHE DIDN'T KNOWINGLY SELL IT AND SHE'S NOT SURE WHO TOLD THESE PEOPLE, US, THAT THEY WERE NOT COMPLIANT.

BUILT A SIMPLE READING OF THE LAW AND A LOOK AT HER PRODUCTS SHOWS THEY WERE NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE LAW.

SO THERE'S THE QUESTION, REALLY, HERE, IS DID SHE KNOW THIS OR NOT KNOW THIS?

EITHER OF THOSE THINGS IS TROUBLING FOR SOMEONE WHO WAS GOING TO DIRECT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY.

>> Cathy: SHE ALSO HAS TAX PROBLEMS, AS WELL, WHICH ALSO SHOWED UMM WHEN YOU DUG AROUND.

>> >> YEAH, SO WE LOOKED INTO HER FINANCIAL HISTORY, AS WELL.

THERE WERE TAX LIENS AGAINST HER, SOME PAST FINANCIAL JUDGMENTS THAT PEOPLE HAD WON AGAINST HER, AS MPR REPORTED SOME, TOO, THEY INTERVIEWED A COUPLE OF THE PEOPLE WHO RUN THESE JUDGMENTS AGAINST HER.

ONE OF THEM WAS, YOU KNOW, SUING HER FOR WORK THAT WAS UNDONE, WORK SHE AS SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AND THEN ANOTHER PERSON WITH A FORMER EMPLOYEE OF DUPREE'S WHO DIDN'T GET PAID BY HER FOR THE WORK THAT SHE WAS DOING.

SO SHE TOOK HER TO COURT OVER IT.

>> Eric: DOES THIS COME AT A CRITICAL TIME FOR THIS WHOLE APPARATUS TO BE SET UP?

>> YES, MA'AM, I MEAN, AT THIS POINT, THEY'RE RACING THE CLOCK TO GET THE OFFICE OF CANNABIS MANAGEMENT SET UP SO THE FOLKS CAN GET LICENSED AND START GROWING AND PROCESSING AND SELLING THE MARIJUANA, AS WE'VE BEEN PROMISED THROUGH THE STATE LAW.

RIGHT NOW, THAT'S SET TO HAPPEN IN EARLY 2025, POSSIBLY EARLIER, BUT UNLESS THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, KEEP IT IS SHIP RUNNING AND MAKE SOME GOOD HIRES HERE SOON, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

IT IS BEING OVERSEEN RIGHT NOW BY STATE GOVERNMENT VETERAN.

>> Eric: IS THERE RULE-MAKING AND OTHER STUFF THEY HAVE TO DO IN PREPARATION?

>> YEAH, THAT'S SUPPOSED TO KICK OFF IN OCTOBER SO VERY SOON.

AND CHAIR MAIN BRYNAERT IS A VERY CAPABLE PERSON, WORKED AS AN ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER ALL THE I THINK A FEW DIFFERENT AGENCIES SO SHE KNOWS HAT SHE'S DOING AND SHE'S IN THIS ROLE FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE UNTIL THEY FIND A PERMANENT DIRECTOR.

>> Cathy: DUPREE WAS AN INSIDER BEING AN ENTREPRENEUR SO NOW IS THE GROVE LOOKING FOR A REGULATOR, SOMEONE TO CRACK THE WHIP?

>> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID.

HE CAME OUT THIS PAST WEEK AND SAID I WANT A REGULATOR, SOMEONE WITH REGULATORY EXPERIENCE BECAUSE DUPREE HAD NO GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE AT ALL.

SHE OWNED A ONE-YEARS OLD HEMP SHOP, SHE WAS AN ENTREPRENEUR AND A CONSULTANT FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS.

SOME OF THAT CONSULTING SHE SAID WAS FOR CANNABIS BUT SOMETHING I HOULD ALSO NOTE IS, MYSELF, OTHER REPORTERS, PEOPLE IN THE CANNING ABYSS INDUSTRY WHO HAVE BEEN AROUND AND WATCHED, A LOT OF US HADN'T HEARD OF HER BEFORE SO IT WAS INTERESTING.

>> Eric: OTHER HAN THIS, HOW'S THE PROCESS GOING?

>> WELL, THEY ARE MAKING SOME BIG HIRES, THEY POSTED SOME JOBS AND THEY SAY THAT THEY'RE ON TRACK, YOU KNOW, STILL ON TRACK, AS THEY WERE TO KIND OF GET THIS UP AND RUNNING WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF OR SO.

>> Eric: DID SHE KNOW SOMEBODY IN GOVERNMENT ANY MEAN, IN OTHER STATES, YOU WOULD THINK THIS WAS A POLITICAL DEAL.

MAYBE NOT IN MINNESOTA OR -- >> YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL PROBABLY NEVER KNOW.

BUT AS FAR AS WRECK TELL, NO, BUT... >> I THINK GOVERNOR WALZ WAS TRYING TO SEND A PRO-BUSINESS MESSAGE, HE'S TRYING TO SAY, LOOK, SOMEONE FROM THE INDUSTRY WHO WILL REGULATE IT WHO KNOWS IT, RIGHT?

BUT WE QUICKLY FOUND OUT SHE DIDN'T, SHE DIDN'T KNOW IT.

>> Cathy: CURIOUS ABOUT THE -- ERIC MENTIONED ABOUT HOW'S IT GOING SO FAR?

THE ONLY PLACES SELLING ARE ON TRIBAL HANDS.

WHAT O WE KNOW ABOUT THAT?

HOW IS THAT GOING SO FAR, DO WE KNOW?

>> I THINK WE HAVE SOMEONE CHECKING IN WHERE THEM OON, ACTUALLY.

I DON'T KNOW THE FINANCIALS OF IT AND HOW MUCH OF A BOON IT'S BEEN FOR THEM BUT WE DO KNOW ON DAY ONE, THEY HAD LINES OUT THE DOOR AND THEY ARE THE TWO ONLY -- I BELIEVE IT'S WHITE EARTHS AND RED LAKE THAT ARE RUNNING THE TWO ONLY ONLY DISSUSPENSIONRIES IN THE STATE SO I WOULD IMAGINE THEY'RE DOING PRETTY WELL BUT ALSO A LOT OF HEMP SHOPS THAT ARE SELLING HEMP-DERIVED EDIBILITIES WITH THC THAT ACT THE EXACT SAME.

>> Eric: ANY INDICATION THE STREET MARKET IS DECLINING?

>> >> YET, THAT COULD TAKE YEARS BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER STATES.

LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, WHERE HE TALKED ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE OF MICHIGAN AND COLORADO.

IT WILL PROBABLY TAKE YEARS.

>> Cathy: THANKS, YOU GUYS, APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU WILL.

>> CATHY: THANK YOU BOTH.

MPR NEWS SENIOR POLITICAL EDITOR MIKE MULCAHY FINISHED UP HIS FINAL WEEK COVERING MINNESOTA POLITICS EARLIER TODAY.

MULCAHY SPENT NEARLY 40 YEARS COVERING NEWS AND POLITICS IN PUBLIC MEDIA, MOST OF THE TIME AT MPR.

BUT FOR A FEW YEARS IN THE MID 1990S, MIKE COVERED POLITICS FOR US HERE AT "ALMANAC."

DURING THE 1996 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, MULCAHY WAS THE MASTERMIND, AND THE VOICE, BEHIND "POLITICAL PUPPET THEATRE."

HERE'S OUR PRODUCERS' FAVORITE EPISODE.

♪♪ >> JUST DON'T DO IT.

JUST DON'T DO IT.

JUST DON'T DO IT.

>> DON'T GOOD WHAT?

DEBATE ME, IS THAT THE PROBLEM, YOU DON'T WANTS TO DEBATE ME?

WHY SHOULDN'T YOU DEBATE ME?

HEY, MAKE YOUR CAMPAIGN SLOGAN DON'T DEBATE ROSS PEROT.

>> HOW ABOUT THE BOSTON -- >> HEY, WHY DON'T YOU DEBATE SADDAM HUSSEIN?

HAVEN'T SEEN MUCH HAVE OH HIM, MAYBE YOU CAN GET HIM TO DEBATE YOU.

>> COME ON, ONE, TWO, THREE.

>> I'VE FALLEN AND I CAN'T GET UP.

HEY, SOMEBODY HELP ME HERE.

CLINTON, I'LL GET YOU FOR THIS.

YOU, TOO, PEROT, YOU POTATO-HEADED LITTLE FREAK.

♪♪ >> I STARTED A NEW JOB LAST WEEK, AND I AM EXHAUSTED.

DON'T GET ME WRONG.

THE EXPERIENCE OF MY FIRST FEW DAYS DEMONSTRATES A GREAT WORKPLACE AND GREAT COLLEAGUES.

BUT VOCATIONALLY SPEAKING, I'M NOT A GUY WHO MOVES AROUND VERY MUCH.

I WAS 14 YEARS IN MY LAST JOB.

THAT'S A LOT OF TIME FOR MUSCLE MEMORY TO TAKE ROOT, AND RE-LEARNING THE THINGS YOU'VE COME TO TAKE FOR GRANTED IS TIRING.

LIKE NAMES AND FACES.

IN MY NEW OFFICE, THERE IS AN ABBIE, AN AMANDA AND AN APRIL.

A CHRISSY AND A CHRISTINE.

AND TWO CAREYS...

AMONG OTHERS.

EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE TO GET NAMES DOWN, AND THEY ROLL WITH IT.

BUT THERE'S OTHER PERCEIVED WISDOM THAT PEOPLE DON'T TALK ABOUT.

YOU HAVE TO LEARN BY WATCHING.

LIKE COFFEE, FOR INSTANCE.

THERE WAS A DAY THIS WEEK WHEN I WAS THE FIRST ONE IN THE OFFICE.

IS IT OKAY TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE COFFEE, OR WOULD I BE STEPPING ON SACRED CAFFEINE TRADITION?

AND THAT UNMARKED CARTON OF FAT-FREE HALF-AND-HALF IN THE FRIDGE?

IS THAT FOR ANYONE'S USE?

THIS IS TO SAY NOTHING OF WHAT I CALL "PASTRY CADENCE."

A SUCCESSFUL OFFICE RUNS ON CARBOHYDRATES AND REFINED SUGAR, AND I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO MY PART, BOTH SUPPLYING AND CONSUMING.

BUT IS THIS THE KIND OF PLACE WHERE YOU HELP YOURSELF TO AN ENTIRE MUFFIN?

OR DO YOU TAKE A HALF, AND THEN HALF OF THAT HALF, AND THEN HALF OF A HALF OF A HALF, AND SO ON.

MY ORIENTATION BINDER IS THIS THICK, AND IT COVERS NONE OF THESE TOPICS.

I'LL HAVE TO TALK TO CHRISTINE ABOUT THAT.

OR IS IT CHRISSY?

♪♪ ♪♪ ♪ SHE SMILES IN VEIN ♪♪ ♪ SHE SMILES AND HITS, WELL DONE ♪♪ ♪ SHE WORKS THE ROOM AND KISSES EVERYTHING TWICE ♪ ♪ SHE SPREADS HER JOY AROUND ♪ ♪ UNTIL YOU CLOSE YOUR YES TO SEE A MIRACLES ♪ ♪ DO YOU RAISE YOUR FACE TO KISS ANGELS ♪ ♪ DO YOU FLOAT TO HEAR OR RACK CELLS ♪ >> CATHY: THROUGHOUT LIFE, MANY OF US WILL BE FACED WITH THE AGING AND PASSING OF A LOVED ONE.

A RECENTLY RELEASED BOOK, "POSTCARDS FROM WITHIN," FOLLOWS THE JOURNEY OF SAVITA HARJANI AS SHE LEAVES BEHIND A SUCCESSFUL LEGAL CAREER AND 32 YEARS IN MINNESOTA TO RETURN TO HER NATIVE INDIA AND ACT AS HER MOTHER'S CAREGIVER IN THE FINAL YEARS OF HER LIFE.

THOSE EXPERIENCES LED TO HER DEBUT NOVEL.

SAVITA, THANKS FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU, CATHY, THANK YOU, ERIC, FOR HAVING ME.

IT'S AN HONOR TO BE HERE.

>> Cathy: YOU KNOW, BEING A CAVE-GIVER IS THE HARDEST JOB YOU'RE EVER GOING TO GET AND THERE ISN'T ANY REALLY TRAINING PRIOR, IT'S ON-THE-JOB, YOU KNOW.

WHAT MADE YOUR DECISION TO GO TO INDIA?

>> I -- MY MOTHER CAN'T MANAGE ON HER OWN ANYMORE AND RATHER THAN HAVING HER JOIN US HERE, I ALL THE WANTED MOM TO BE THE QUEEN OF HER CASTLE.

I DON'T THINK A PARENT CAN EVER FEEL THAT COMFORTABLE OR ALL RIGHT IN THEIR CHILD'S HOME, AS A CHILD DOES IN THE PARENTS' HOME, AND IN THE LAST DAYS OF HER LIFE, I REALLY WANTED THAT FOR HER.

AND ALSO I THINK IN TERMS OF INFRASTRUCTURE, IT'S SORT OF EASIER TO GET PEOPLE TO HELP.

>> Cathy: IS THERE -- I HAVE A FRIEND WHO WENT THROUGH A SIMILAR SITUATION THAT YOU WENT THROUGH S IS IT CULTURALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE CHILD TO CARE FOR THE PARENT?

>> TRADITIONALLY, THAT'S BEEN THE MODEL, RIGHTS?

THE JOINT FAMILY MODEL.

IT'S PARENTS LOOK AFTER THEIR PARENTS, GRANDPARENTS LOOK AFTER THE GRANDKIDS.

AND EVERYBODY GETS LOOKED AFTER.

BUT TRADITIONALLY THAT HAS BEEN THE MODEL BUT I THINK IT'S CRUMBLING AND I DON'T HAVE STATISTICAL DATA FOR THAT BUT ANECDOTALLY, CERTAINLY.

>> Eric: IN THE BOOK YOU TALK ABOUT ROLE REVERSAL OF THE PARENT AND THE CHILD.

COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT?

>> YEAH, CERTAINLY.

I -- WHEN I STARTED TAKING CARE OF MY MOM, YOU KNOW, I SUDDENLY FOUND MYSELF BECOMING HER MOTHER, AND BECAUSE SHE TRUSTED ME SO MUCH AND SHE JUST LITERALLY PLACED HER LIFE IN MY HANDS AND ALL HER MEDICAL DECISIONS AND EVERYTHING, AND I DID EEL THE WEIGHT OF THAT RESPONSIBILITY.

BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, I NEVER HAD BIOLOGICAL CHILDREN OF MY OWN SO I ALSO LOOK AT THAT AS A GIFT OF MOTHERHOOD FROM HER TO ME, AND, YES, SO I TOOK CARE OF HER AS MY OWN BABY.

>> Cathy: SHE WAS QUITE SICK, I UNDERSTAND, 16 HOURS OF DIALYSIS A DAY.

>> A DAY.

IDEAS OH, MY GOODNESS AND OVERNIGHT.

BUT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT LOOK AT THIS AS A HUGE DIFFICULTY AND CLEARLY IT WAS BUT WAS IT ALSO A CHANCE TO BOND WITH YOUR MOM?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I ALWAYS KNEW HER AS MY MOTHER, I ALWAYS KNEW HER AS A WONDERFUL WOMAN BUT IN THIS TIME, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE DIALYSIS TIME WAS ONE ON ONE, WE WERE ALL SITTING WITH GLOVES AND MASK AND EVERYTHING AND ALL HE COULD -- WE COULD DO WAS TALK AND -- SORRY.

>> ric: GO AHEAD.

>> I RELATED TO HER AS A WOMAN, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WAS JUST AMAZING AND HER STORIES FROM HER YOUTH AND HER CHILDHOOD THAT SHE NEVER WOULD HAVE SHARED WITH A CHILD SHE WAS BRINGING UP BUT NOW HERE WAS A GROWN WOMAN AND WE COULD TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING UNDER THE SUN.

>> Eric: ONE OF THE QUOTES IS, "NOT ALL CHALLENGING TIMES ARE BAD TIMES, THEY ARE JUST TOUGH AND THEY COULD BE THE BEST OF TIMES."

>> YEAH.

>> Eric: TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST INSIGHTS AND GIFTS THAT LIFE PRESENTED ME WITH.

BECAUSE THIS TIME WAS AS CHALLENGING AS IT COULD GET.

IT WAS ALSO ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL AND I WOULDN'T CHANGE A DAY OF IT, A MINUTE OF IT FOR ANYTHING.

SO -- I GOT A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE TO HOW I DEAL WITH OR RELATE TO CHALLENGING TIMES BECAUSE IT WAS TOUGH BUT IT WASN'T BAD, THE TIME WITH MY MOM JUST RELATING TO HER AS A WOMAN, BONDING WITH HER, THE FRIENDSHIP, THE WISDOM THAT WAS PASSED.

I DON'T KNOW IF I IMBIBED ANY BUT IT WAS CERTAINLY PASSED.

THAT WAS SO PRECIOUS BUT IT DIDN'T CHANGE HOW TOUGH THE TIME WAS BUT IT CHANGED HOW I RELATED TO IT.

SO ONE OF THE BIGGEST GIFTS.

>> Cathy: SOME PEOPLE WOULD LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, OH, MY GOOD THAT'S, SAVITA, YOU LEFT A GREAT JOB AT THOMPSON REUTERS, WHAT ABOUT YOUR CAREER, YOU KNOW, AND HOW DO YOU NOW MAKE UNTHIS TIME AND THE MONEY AND ALL OF THAT?

WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS?

>> YOU KNOW, THIS IS MY STORY AND IT PLAYED OUT AND WORKED OUT FOR ME AND I THINK ONE THING THAT PEOPLE READING THIS BOOK AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS HOW CARE-GIVING SHOULD BE DONE, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE INTENT OF THE BOOK IS.

HOWEVER YOU SHOW UP FOR YOUR LOVED ONE IS PERFECT FOR YOUR LIFE, FOR YOUR LIFE STORY.

THIS WAS MY CHOICE, THIS WAS A CHOICE THAT MY HUSBAND AND I MADE.

I'M VERY, VERY FORTUNATE WOMAN THAT MY PARTNER IN LIFE SUPPORTED ME COMPLETELY SO I WAS ABLE TO DO IT.

AND IT WAS A CHOICE I MADE AND, YOU KNOW, THE THING -- THE HING THAT THEY SAY WHEN YOU'RE AT THE LAST MOMENTS OF YOUR LIFE, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO REMEMBER?

I MUCH REMEMBER THE TIME WITH MY MOTHER THAN T.R.

-- >> Eric: SHE SAID YOU WRITE, WASN'T IT?

>> YES, YES.

SO HER BLESSING TO ME WAS -- AND THIS BOOK ---HER BLESSING HAS MATERIALIZED IN THE FORM OF THIS BLESSING.

THE DAY BEFORE SHE PASSED, SHE WAS VERY WITHDRAWN AND I WAS WRITING IN MY JOURNAL, THAT PERHAPS THERE'S SOMETHING LACKING IN MY CARE OF YOU THAT YOU'RE NO LONGER TALKING TO ME AND IN THAT VERY MOMENT, SHE BECKONED TO ME AND I WENT TO HER AND SHE PUT HER HAND ON MY HEAD AND SHE SAID, SHE SAID -- WHICH MEANS "YOU WRITE."

THOSE WERE HER LAST WORDS TO ME, THOSE WERE HER LAST WORDS ON EARTH AND I FEEL SO BLESSED.

>> Cathy: AND THIS IS A LOVELY BOOK SO THIS IS A NEW PATH FOR YOU.

>> IT SEEMS TO BE.

[Laughter] >> Eric: "POSTCARDS FROM WITHIN."

>> Cathy: THANK YOU.

IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

SAVITA, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE.

>> THANK YOU BOTH.

♪♪ >> JEARLYN: THE CHORAL ENSEMBLE CANTUS OPENS THEIR 29TH SEASON IN OCTOBER.

THEY'RE STARTING WITH "BRAVE," A PROGRAM THAT EXAMINES EVOLVING IDEAS OF MASCULINITY IN OUR SOCIETY, AND ASKS, "ARE YOU STRONG ENOUGH TO BE SENSITIVE?"

THEY'RE HERE TO TELL US ABOUT THIS PROGRAM THAT MIXES WORKS NEW AND OLD.

WELCOME BACK TO "ALMANAC."

HOW ARE YOU ALL?

YES?

>> GREAT, THANKS FOR HAVING US.

>> Jearlyn: OKAY, SO I'M REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE PAUL SCHULTZ JOIN US TONIGHT AND THE BIG QUESTION FOR ME IS THE WORDS "BRAVE" IS GOING TO STAY ON MY BRAIN NOW FOR ABOUT A MONTH BECAUSE IT HAS SO MUCH MOORE FOR YOU TO SAY.

TELL US MORE.

>> BRAVE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FOR US IN THAT WE STRUCTURE THE MUSIC IN THE PROGRAM AROUND PERSONAL STORIES AND SO EACH OF US IS -- HAS WRITTEN REFLEXES ON MANHOODS, ON MASCULINITY, YOU KNOW, ISSUES WITH IDENTITY AND SO IT'S KIND OF A CHANCE FOR US TO BE REALLY VULNERABLE AS WE TACKLE THIS SUBJECT THAT IS COMPLEX, AND SO IT ALLOWS US THESE PERSONAL STORIES KIND OF ALLOW US TO PROGRAM MUSIC THAT IS SOME REPERTORY FOLKS WILL EXPECT FROM A MEN'S HOIR, SOME TRADITIONAL STUFF, ONE OF THE PIECES WE'RE GOING TO SING, CALLED VIVA LAMOUR, BUT PIECES THAT ARE MORE MODERN, THAT KIND OF OCUS ON SOME OF THE MORE DIFFICULT ESTIMATES DARKER SIDES OF MASCULINITY.

>> Jearlyn: MASCULINITY IS REAL, THOUGH, SO I'M SURE IT HAS AFFECTED EVERY ONE OF THESE CHOIR MEMBERS.

HOW DO YOU ALL DEAL WITH IT?

>> YEAH, YOU KNOW, IT'S UNIQUE TO EACH OF US AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN SO POWERFUL WITH THIS PROGRAM, WE'RE BRINGING IT HOME NOW TO THE TWIN CITIES BUT WE HAD A CHANCE TO TOUR IT.

IT'S JUST THE RESPONSE THAT YOU GET FROM FOLKS WHEN THEY CAN SEE THAT THE STORY YOU'RE SHARING IS AUTHENTIC AND PERSONAL AND VULNERABLE, SO I THINK WE'RE EXCITED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION ON STAGE.

>> Jearlyn: WOW, I'VE BEEN VULNERABLE FOR A LONG TIME.

[Laughter] WELCOME TO IT.

WHAT ARE YOU ABOUT TO SING FOR US?

>> THIS SONG IS VIVA LAMOUR, IT'S ARRANGED BY ALICE PARKER AND RABBIT SOMEHOW.

>> Jearlyn: HERE THEY ARE, CANTUS.

♪♪ ♪♪ ♪ EVERY OLD BACHELOR RAISE UP HIS GLASS AND DRINK TO THE HEALTH OF HIS FAVORITE LASS ♪ VIVA -- ♪ LET EVERY OLD MARRIED MAN DRINK TO HIS WIFE ♪ VIVA L'AMORE.

♪ THE JOY OF HIS BOSS SO MANY AND COMFORT OF LIFE ♪ ♪ VIVA LA'COMPANY ♪ ♪ VIVA L'AMOR, VIVALA'COMPANY ♪ ♪ VIVA L'AMOR, VIVA LA'COMPANY ♪ [Applause] ♪♪ >> ERIC: THIS LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION EARMARKED INFUSIONS OF CASH FOR ADDRESSING MANY ISSUES, INCLUDING EDUCATION.

WITH COLLEGE DEBT SOARING AND SERIOUS WORKFORCE SHORTAGES ACROSS THE STATE, REPORTER MARY LAHAMMER SHOWS US HOW BUSINESSES, TRADE SCHOOLS AND LAWMAKERS ARE CREATING NEW INCENTIVES TO HELP TRAIN AND HIRE MUCH NEEDED MANUFACTURERS FOR THE FUTURE.

>> Mary: WITH RECORD EMPLOYMENT AND WORKFORCE SHORTAGES IN THE STATE, MINNESOTA NEEDS STUDENTS IN THESE CLASSROOMS READY TO FILL JOB OPENINGS IN THE TRADES.

>> St. PAUL COLLEGE WE ENROLL ABOUT 8,000 STUDENTS PER YEAR.

WE ARE AN URBAN INSTITUTION, WE OFFER BOTH LIBERAL ARTS CLASSES AS WELL AS TRADE AND TECHNICAL CLASSES.

ABOUT 65% OF OUR STUDENTS ARE STUDENTS OF COLOR SO WE REALLY ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR COMMUNITY.

>> Mary: THERE'S GROWING DIVERSITY ACROSS THE STATE SO IT'S MANY KIDS OF COLOR WHO ARE PART OF THE NATIONAL PUSH BEHIND MANUFACTURERS' RECENT CREATORS WANTED TOUR THAT EXPOSED URBAN HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS TO TECHNICAL CAREERS.

>> IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR TO US REALLY TALK TO OUR COMMUNITY AND HELP VERYBODY UNDERSTAND THE BEAUTY OF THESE KIND OF CAREERS, AND WHEN I SEE "THESE KIND OF CAREERS," THESE CAREER AND TECHNICAL AREAS, RIGHT, WE'RE STANDING IN A C & C MACHINING LAB AND OFTENTIMES PEOPLE THINK THAT MANUFACTURING IS A DIRTY JOB OR A LOW-LEVEL JOB AND THAT CANNOT BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTHS.

THESE ARE HIGH-DEMAND, HIGH-WAGE JOKES.

>> STUDENTS CAN EARN $70 TO $100,000 QUICKLY AFTER A YEAR OR TWO OF TRAINING AND MAIN HAVE A JOB BEFORE EVEN GRADUATING.

>> WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL, I DID FOUR YEARS OF HIGH SCHOOL ROBOTICS.

>> Mary: WITH A JOB?

>> I WORK AT AEROSPACE AT NELSON NEW MERE RECOLLECTION AND MAKE REALLY SMALL PLANE PARTS.

IT DEFINITELY HENS GOING TO SCHOOL BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU A PLACE TO START OFF, A LOT OF COMPANIES IF YOU DON'T EVER A DEGREE BUT YOU HAVE SKILLS, THEY'RE GOING TO STARTS YOU AT A LOWER PAY GRADE BUT HAVING THAT MACHINIST DEGREE REALLY HELPS YOU START AT THE STARTING WAGE OF $25 AN HOUR, USUALLY.

>> OUR EMPLOYERS IN OUR COMMUNITY RE LOOKING OR WORKERS ALL THE TIME SO THIS IS THAT SWEET SPOT BETWEEN GRADUATING FROM HIGH SCHOOL AND GOING TO A FOUR-YEAR DEGREE, YOU DON'T NEEDS THAT.

YOU COME IN AND YOU GET SOME TRAINING AND IT'S A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AND YOU CAN GET OUT AND START EARNING VERY QUICKLY.

THESE COMPANIES ARE HIRING OUR GRADUATES RIGHT OUT OF THE PROGRAM.

HONESTLY, IF WE LET THEM AND DIDN'T DISCOURAGE IT, THEY WOULD HIRE THEM BEFORE THEY EACH FINISHED THE PROGRAM.

>> Mary: NOT ONLY DID THE LEGISLATURE PASSÉ BILL FOR FREE COLLEGE FOR FAMILIES MAKING DECEMBER THANK $803,000 BUT THEY ALSO INCENTIVIZED EDUCATION FOR THE TRADES.

>> THE PART THAT WE STILL STRUG HE WOULD WITH AS AN INSTITUTION IS THAT OUR STUDENTS STILL HAVE BASIC NEEDS THAT ARE BEING UNMET AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR STUDENTS THAT ARE STRUGGLING WHERE HOUSING INSECURITY AND FOOD INSECURITY, YOU KNOW, THE TUITION TUITION AND FEES S A PIECE OF THAT BUT WE STILL HAVE THIS OTHER PIECE THAT WE HAVE TO SUPPORT OUR STUDENTS WITH IN OTHER WORDS TO BE ABLE TO GET THEM TO FINISH.

>> Mary: KIDS AREN'T USED TO WORKING WITH THEIR HANDS.

DO YOU HAVE TO DO HIS FOR THEM?

>> WE HAVE TO BRING THEM IN AND HAVE THEM EXPERIENCE IT.

A PROBLEM THAT STUDENTS CAN'T SEE THEMSELVES IN SOMETHING THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT SO THEY DON'T EVER FAMILY MEMBERS THAT HAVE WORKED IN THIS FIELDS, THEY DON'T HAVE FRIENDS THAT EVER WORKED IN THIS FIELDS SO WE NEED TO GIVE THEM EXPERIENCES WHERE THEY CAN SEE THEMSELVES IN THESE PROFESSIONS.

>> Mary: BUSINESS POWERHOUSES FROM THE MINNESOTA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, UNION PACIFIC AND HUGE MANUFACTURERS BRIDE THOSE HIGH-TOUCH EXPERIENCES FOR St. AUL STUDENTS, ESPECIALLY WITH DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES COMING, WITH RETIREMENTS AND INCREASED COMMUNITIES OF COLOR.

>> WE HAVE A VISION AT St. PAUL COLLEGE THAT BY 2028, THAT WE WILL HAVE 1500 STUDENTS OF COLOR GRADUATING FROM HIGH DEMAND, HIGH-WAGE JOBS.

AND I THINK THAT'S A PIECE OF IT, RIGHT?

LIKE OUR DEMOGRAPHICS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND IN MINNESOTA IN PARTICULAR IS CHANGING DRAMATICALLY.

THEY'RE GETTING SIGN-ON BONUSES, BEING HEAVILY RECRUITED, THEY GET TO MAKE SOME LIFESTYLE CHOICES, OU KNOW, LIKE WHAT KIND OF LIFE DO YOU MEAN TO LIVE, WHAT KIND OF SHIFT DO YOU WANT TO WORK IN?

HOW DOES THAT FIT WITH YOUR FAMILY SO IT'S A VERY GOOD CAREER.

AFTER A COUPLE YEARS OUT, IT'S NOT UNHEARD OF TO BE MAKING OVER SIX FIGURES IN THIS FIELDS.

>> Mary: ULTIMATELY, SURVEYS SHOW YOUNG WORKERS AND STUDENTS ARE STRIVING FOR MORE MEANINGFUL WORK, NOT JUST A GOOD PAYCHECK.

>> GETTING A TRADE DEGREE IS A GOOD PLACE FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T FLOW WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

YOU WANT TO GO TO A FEW-YEAR SCHOOL BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN TOLD TO DO IT, I WOULD SAY A TRADES SCHOOL IS A GOOD PLACE TO GO.

>> Mary: HOW DOES ITS FEEL TO MAKE STUR?

>> FEELINGS REALLY GOOD TO MAKE STUFF.

THAT'S PART OF IT.

GETTING OUT OF THE MACHINE, AND BEING LIKE, I PROGRAMMED THIS AND NOW I HAVE IT IN MY HAND.

GOING TO WORK AND MAKING SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL LEAVE FEELING LIKE A FULFILLNESS.

♪♪ >> CATHY: WE'VE GOT THE CANNABIS OFFICE CONTROVERSY, THE LOOMING GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN, POLITICIANS VISITING PICKET LINES, JUST THREE OF THE MANY POLITICAL STORIES TO PONDER WITH THIS WEEK'S PANEL.

REPUBLICANS UP FIRST TONIGHT.

ANDY BREHM, FORMER PRESS SECRETARY TO U.S.

SENATOR NORM COLEMAN.

ANNETTE MEEKS ALSO WORKED IN WASHINGTON, D.C., AS DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF TO SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH.

DEMOCRATS ON THE COUCH TONIGHT.

JEFF HAYDEN, FORMER STATE SENATOR, AND WE WELCOME BACK WINTANA MELEKIN, DFL ACTIVIST WHO LOGGED MANY HOURS AT THE LEGISLATURE THIS PAST SESSION.

ANDY BREHM, LET'S START WITH THIS LOOMING GOVERNMENT SHUTSDOWN.

SENATOR McCONNELL SAID, SHUTDOWNS DO NOT HELP THE GOP.

DO YOU AGREE WITH HIM?

S-I DO.

I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY ARE CERTAIN MEMBERS OF THE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS THAT VOTED GANGS THE STOPGAP MEASURE.

THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT WE NEED TO GET FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY BACK IN WASHINGTON, THAT WOULD HAVE ACHIEVED THOSE THINGS, AND TO SECURE THE GORD DEER AND WE HAVE AN ISSUE THERE IN OUR PARTY OF PEOPLE THAT SEEM TO -- PEOPLE THAT LIKE TO GET HEADLINES AND DON'T LIKE TO GETS ANYTHING DONE.

SO HOPEFULLY SPEAKER McCARTHY CAN GET THE CAUCUS FUNCTIONING HERE SOON.

>> Cathy: ANNETTE YOU HAD EXPIRES IF SHAND KNOWLEDGE AND A FRONT-ROW SEAT AGAINST A COUP ATTEMPT TOWARDS SPEAKER SPEAKER GINGRICH.

TELLS WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

>> THE PROBLEM WE HAVE TODAY IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS YEARS AGO IN THAT SOCIAL MEDIA DRIVES SO MUCH OF THIS.

ANYBODY CAN GO ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND SAY "I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR THIS" AND THEN YOU HAVE TO TRY TO CONVINCE THEM OTHERWISE.

THAT'S A REALLY TOUGH JOB TO DO BUT THE BIGGER PROBLEM THEY HAVE IS IT'S SUCH A SMALL MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE, WHEN YOU HAVE JUST -- I THINK IT'S A FOUR-SEAT MAJORITY, THAT'S NOT A LOT TO DEAL WITH, THAT A RECALCITRANT, IF YOU WILL, YOU DON'T HAVE A BIG AUDIENCE, AND THE DEMOCRATS WHO COULD HELP SOLVE THIS PROBLEM >> A GOING TO LIFT A FINISHING GIRL.

I WOULD TAKE T EVEN FURTHER THAN WHAT ANDY SAID, THE BIGGER PROBLEM IS THE PRESIDENT ALWAYS WINS, WHOEVER IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE, DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICAN, WHEN THERE IS A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN, THEY SPEAK WITH ONE VOICE, THAT OF THE PRESIDENT.

YOU HAVE THE CABINET SECRETARIES THAT ECHO THAT ADVICE.

IN THE MEAN TIME, WE HAVE 435 INDEPENDENT LEGISLATORS OUT THERE ALL SAYING THEIR OWN OPINION ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING BECAUSE THEY ALL THINK THEY SHOULD BE SPEAKER OR MAJORITY LEADER IN THE SENATE AND SO THOSE VOICES GETS MUTED AND DILUTED AND THEY ALL HAVE DIFFERENT CAUSES AND IT'S REALLY NOT VERY HELPFUL.

>> Eric: HOW DO YOU THINK DEMOCRATS ARE PLAYING THIS SO FAR?

>> I'VE BEEN REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THE WAY FOLKS HAVE BEEN RESPONDING TO THIS MOMENT, MAKING SURE THEY CONTINUE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR CONSTITUENTS, STATE FOR WHAT THEY NEED IN THEIR HOME STATES AND I'VE BEEN REALLY PROUD OF THE WAY MINNESOTA'S MEMBERS OF CONGRESS HAVE BEEN HOLDING IT DO YOU THINK AND I REALLY HOPE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY CAN GETS IT TOGETHER FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

>> Eric: HOW ABOUT SPEAKER TOM EMMER?

>> I SAW THAT.

YEAH, WELL, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH A FORMER COLLEAGUE OF HIS, ON HIS SIDE OFT AISLE, HE SAID HE'S THE GUY THAT'S NOT CAMPAIGNING FOR THE JOB, JUST A REALLY LOYAL PERSON.

HOWEVER, IF THEY WERE TO REMOVE THE SPEAKER, I WOULD IMAGINE REPRESENTATIVE EMMER AS I KNOW HIM, CONGRESSMAN EMMER WOULD PROBABLY STEP UP AND DO THE JOB.

HE HAS BEEN PART OF THE RECRUITMENT OR WHATEVER THAT FORMAL TRY TO RECRUITING MEMBERS SO HE IS OUT IN THE FIELD A LOT.

>> Cathy: DOES SPEAKER McCARTHY SURVIVE THIS?

>> I HOPE SO.

I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD SERVE THE PARTY WELL TO CHANGE LEADERS.

I THINK HE'S DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB.

I WASN'T A HUGE FAN OF HIS BUT I THINK E'S DONE A GOOD JOB.

I LIKE TOM EMMER A LOT, I THINK HE WOULD BE A GREAT SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE BUT RIGHT NOW I THINK WE NEED TO STICK WITH OUR LEADERSHIP.

THE CAUCUS DOESN'T NEED MORE CHAOS.

>> Eric: SOMETHING CONGRESSMAN DEANE NIL LIPS AGAIN SAYING THAT HE MIGHT OPPOSED PRESIDENT BIDEN?

>> EVERY TIME HE BRINGS IT UP, I HEAR MORE AND MORE OF OTHER DEMOCRATS CONSIDERING PRIMARY HIM, IF I WAS HIM, I WOULD BE STAYING UP AT NIGHT ABOUT WORRYING ABOUT GETTING A PRIMARY FROM HIM OR -- IN THE THIRD DISTRICT.

I THINK HIS LOCAL PROFILE NEEDS TO BE FOCUSED ON AND NOT HIS NATIONAL PROFILE.

>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK THAT HE FEELS PRETTY SECURE IN HIS DISTRICT, NOT THAT PEOPLE WOULDN'T WANT TO DO IT BUT HE'S PRETTY GOOD THERE AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK HE'S A SMART PERSON.

I DON'T THINK IT'S WISE TO DO THAT.

I THINK THAT THERE IS A LOT OF MOVES THAT HAVE TO BE MADE, UNFORTUNATELY SENATOR FEINSTEIN DIED TODAY, I SPENT A LOT OF MY FORMATIVE YEARS IN SAN FRANCISCO SO I KIND OF WATCHED HER TIME THERE AND SO THERE IS SOME MOVEMENT THAT COULD HAPPEN THERE THAT COULD REALLY REFLECT WHAT HAPPENS IN THE NATIONAL SCENE FOR PRESIDENT.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT CONGRESSMAN PHILLIPS IS DOING.

I'M NOT SO SURE THAT HE'S WORRIED ABOUT HIS SEAT IN MINNESOTA.

>> Eric: OCTOBER 1, METRO SALES TAX GOES UP SO THAT'S, WHAT, SUNDAY OR MONDAY?

>> YES.

>> Eric: IS THAT THE MAKING OF A REPUBLICAN CAMPAIGN THEME OR -- >> I THINK IT'S ONE OF MANY BUT ONE OF THE MOST DIFFERENT DEF VAST STATING THINGS THEY'VE DONE IN THE MIDDLE OF A RECESSION THAT WE ARE STILL IN.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO TO THE GROCERY STORE AND IT'S JUST SHOCKING HOW MUCH THINGS COMPANIES.

WHAT I BUY FOR A WEEK'S WORTH OF GROCERIES USED TO BE THANKSGIVING AND YOU SEE THAT, YOU SEE BACK TO SCHOOL COSTS FOR PARENTS THAT ARE -- THE AVERAGE WAS $677 PER CHILD OF JUST BACK-TO-SCHOOL SUPPLIES AND NEW CLOTHING.

THAT'S A HEAVY HIT WHEN YOU HAVE TWO OR THREE CHILDREN AND IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE A GOVERNOR WHO'S TRAVELING AROUND THE WORLD TOUTING THIS GREAT LEGISLATIVE SESSION WHILE THEY'RE GOING TO RAISE TAXES, ESPECIALLY FUEL TAXES AND A SALES TAX THAT HIT THE POOREST OF THE POOR THE HARDEST.

>> Eric: REJOINEDDER, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

THE TAX ISSUE WITH THE HUGE SURPLUS.

>> I THINK IT MAKES SENSE.

I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO STOP ACTING LIKE TAXES ARE THIS ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE THING.

IT'S HOW WE TAKE CARE OF OUR ROADS, BRIDGES AND OUR CHILDREN, OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM, AND WE MADE SURE THAT WE FUNDED PROGRAMMING THROUGH THOSE TAXES.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHILDREN WHO WILL BE ABLE TO EAT IN SCHOOLS, TALKING ABOUT IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR COMMUNITIES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FULLY FUNDING EDUCATION.

YES, WE HAVE TO INCREASE TAXES TO PAY FOR THOSE COSTS.

>> WELL, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THE TAXES IN GENERAL, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE NEED TO FUNDS THOSE THINGS.

I MEAN, THE QUESTION IS, AT WHAT POINT IS ENOUGH?

AND DEMOCRATS, THERE ISN'T ENOUGH AND HE REALITY IS THAT MINNESOTA IS NOT AN ISLAND AND WE ARE BECOMING A COMPLETE OUTLIER ATTENTION IT RELATES TO TAXES.

I MEAN, OUR TAXES ARE WAY HIGHER THAN OUR NEIGHBORS AND THAT'S WHY MINNESOTA IS LOSING POPULATION.

THOSE ARE JUST IT IS FACTS.

SO MINNESOTA'S NOT EVEN REMOTELY COMPETITIVE, IT'S BECOMING A REMARKABLE REMARKABLY SUSPENSION IRV PLACE TO LIVE AND PEOPLE ARE LEAVING BECAUSE OF THAT.

>> I WAS IN CHICAGO LAST WEEK AND I WAS SHOCKED TO PAY 10% SALES TAX AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE IN St. PAUL.

>> YEAH, I'M NOT SURE.

I THINK ONCE AGAIN, ANNETTE SAID THAT FIVE YEARS AGO, AND TEN YEARS AGO, IF SHE WAS ON THIS SHOW, THAT'S JUST KIND OF STANDARD FARE.

I THINK THE SURPLUS WAS A ONE-TIME KIND OF SURPLUS AND THE METRO SALES TAX IS AN ONGOING TAX TO PAY FOR THE THINGS THAT WIN TANA TALKED ABOUT, INCLUDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE HOMEOWNER WHICH ARE THINGS THAT WE DESPERATELY NEED.

SO I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE OKAY.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE AN OUTLIER, I THINK THAT MINNESOTA IS BACK.

I THINK THAT THE REGION IS GROWING AND THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE JUST FINE.

>> LET'S PUT IT, IF YOU JUST TAKE A SIMPLE EXAMPLE, TAKE ST. PAUL, FOR EXAMPLE.

A 10% SALES TAX AND I CAN DRIVE A HALF HOUR TO WISCONSIN AND PAY 5%.

YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO SAY, GEE, I'M GOING TO CROSS THE BORDER AND BUY THINGS, I PROBABLY WILL.

>> THEY USED TO DO IT ON SUNDAYS, EVERYBODY IS GOING TO DRIVE TO WISCONSIN AND LIVE THERE.

THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS.

PEOPLE WILL STAY HERE, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO KIND OF PAY THE TAX BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING FOR IT.

>> Cathy: I HAVE NE MORE THING, WE HAVE A COUPLE MINUTES HERE.

CAN YOU HELP ME OUT HERE, SENATOR?

SO HENNEPIN COUNTY MARY MORIARTY HAD COMMENTS ARLY THIS WEEK, THOUGHTS ON THE SRO LAW THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

HER OPINION DIFFERS FROM THAT OF ATTORNEY GENERAL KEITH ELLISON, HE MUST BE KIND OF DISPLEASED ABOUT THIS.

WHAT IS GOING ON?

>> YEAH, I MEAN, I'M GOING TO TRUST KEITH ELLISON.

I THINK THAT PART OF THIS IS REALLY TRYING TO GETS THE LEGISLATIVE INTENTION OF THE LAW AND SO ATTORNEY GENERAL ELLISON WORKED WITH THE GOVERNOR, HE WORKED WITH THE MPPOA, THE POLICE UNION, THE SHERIFFS, HE ALSO WORKED WITH THE CAUCUSES TO MAKE SURE THAT MADE THE LAW TO KIND OF REALLY CLARIFY THAT.

SO I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, ANDY IS, MAYBE HE COULD TALK ABOUT THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE IN THE STATUTE.

I THINK HAT THERE LOOKS TO BE, MAYBE, A LITTLE BIT OF A POLITICAL RETRIBUTION ON THIS ISSUE WHEN CONGRESSMAN -- WHEN ATTORNEY GENERAL ELLISON TOOK THE CASE FROM THE HENNEPIN COUNTY ATTORNEY.

>> Eric: BUT AFTER THE MORIARTY OPINION, ANDY, THE PPO, POLICE AND PEACE OFFICERS SAID NOW WE NEED AN URGENT FIX, NOW IT'S TOO CONFUSING.

>> >> FOR GOOD REASON, A COURT OF LAW CAN UNDO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S PENAL.

THERE IS AN EASY FIX FOR THIS, IT'S CALLED A SPECIAL SESSION, THE GOVERNOR SAID HE WAS OPEN TO THAT.

THE GOVERNOR HELD MULTIPLE SPECIAL SESSION TOSS GIVE HIMSELF EMERGENCY POWERS WHEN HE DIDN'T NEED IT, THIS IS AN EASY FIX THAT HE SAID HE WAS OPEN TO BUILT THE TRUTH OF IT IS, HE'S PLAYING POLITICS WITH THE ANTI-POLICE ROWD AND THE DFL AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.

>> INK IT'S POLITICS WITH THE MPPOA AND THAT'S WHY HE DOESN'T WANT TO OPEN THIS UMM.

>> THE EASY FIX IS TO TRUST OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL, HE'S BEEN VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THE LAW IS AND HOW IT SHOULD BE EXPERIMENTED AND THE FINAL SAY IS GOING TO COME DOWN TO HIM.

THE PROSECUTION OF FOLKS WHO BREAK THESE LAWS WOULD BE UNDER HIS JURISDICTION SO I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUES TO TRUST OUR A.G. WHO THAT BE NOTHING BUT PHENOMENAL AND NO NEED OR A SPECIAL SESSION TO GO CONTINUES TO WASTE GOVERNMENT RESOURCES.

>> Eric: IT WAS GOING GOOD AND WE'RE OUT OF TIME.

THANKS, GUYS.

>> Cathy: THANK YOU.

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