>> Today Marks day 30 of the federal government shutdown and with no deal in sight, the country is likely to break the record.

35 days said during President Donald Trump's first term in 2019.

Meanwhile, thousands of federal workers are still on the job without pay as Democrats and Republicans in Congress remain deadlocked over a funding agreement.

Joining us with more on who Americans are blaming and when the shutdown might finally end.

Our Jon Mark Hanson, political science professor at the University of Chicago and Tabitha Bonia and associate professor at the Institute.

A policy research at Northwestern University.

Thanks to the 2 of you for joining us.

have the starting with you, please.

What does the polling say about who Americans are blaming for the shutdown?

>> Well, right now.

>> And most Americans are blaming Republicans slightly more than about a quarter of the country is uncertain who to blame.

But about 45% of Americans are blaming Republicans a 3rd of Americans are blaming Democrats.

But of course, this is partisan.

So more Democrats are blaming Republicans and more Republicans are blaming Democrats but I think on on average most playground people, if they're blaming someone going to be blaming Democrats or Republicans.

Sorry, okay.

Butting Republicans more.

But as you said, it's it's divided on partisan lines as well.

part >> So on that happened on October TWENTY-SEVENTH, the largest union representing federal workers came out publicly in support of the Clean continuing resolution, which congressional Democrats have rejected.

Do you see Democrats feeling the pressure to come back and pass that clean CR so that federal workers can get paid again.

>> I do think that their guns building pressure for them to pass that.

I also think that there is.

Understandable concern that if they do so they may not have the same strength to hold their ground to protect the health care subsidies that they're trying to push for later on in.

So I I I think the pressure is not fully on their side.

And then I also think if you look at what you need instead in the last election cycle, they were not fully taking sides of Democrats as they had maybe historically.

So I don't know that that is necessarily going to be biggest driver for pushing Democrats to to give in at this point.

>> John, Mark Hansen, sort of to that same point.

You know, Democrats say the shutdown is about protecting those expanded ACA subsidies that are set to expire at the end of this year.

Republicans argue that the government should open first then we can negotiate on this issue.

But if the government does reopen without those subsidies in place, can Democrats trust the Republicans and President Trump?

We'll negotiate on this issue and and even give them what they want at the end of those negotiations.

>> Well, they don't.

think that that would be case.

One of the things that we've seen is that there is no deal with Donald Trump.

That's done deal.

promising makes a solid promise.

And so I think Democrats feeling well, you know, if we just give up return for a promise talk about, will get nothing at all.

In the meantime, if we extend and that includes even with the pressure government unions, if we extend the shut down, we're going to get in a period the the shutdown began.

More that benefits will come to an end on November.

1st.

So very, very soon.

expiration of the Obamacare subsidies will happen to be in December.

the more that they can kind of keep a focus on the app.

think probably the better for the Democrats.

We've already seen.

hesitation Republican ranks too.

Go through with the health care subsidies for Obama care.

And even beyond that, couple of years, the expiration of over the implementation of Medicare cuts.

Medicaid got made that were implemented part the reconciliation Act.

big beautiful bill passed last this last year.

>> funding for the Supplemental Nutrition.

Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP.

As you mentioned, it's going to run dry November first as a result of the shutdown.

Here's what Republican Speaker Mike Johnson had to say about using emergency funds to keep snap going.

>> Republicans have voted 14 times to provide SNAP benefits, military pay veterans, health services, nutrition assistance for young women.

We the disabled, the elderly.

We've done it.

14 Democrats voted 14 times to block all of that.

We need to do all of those things simultaneously.

You have to pay the troops.

You have to be border patrol.

Tsa agents and air traffic controllers and everybody else.

All of these things need to be done.

Not just part of them.

>> So, John, what do you make of the speakers argument that all programs affected by the shutdown need to be funded simultaneously?

>> Well, that's exactly what they have proposed snow.

They're basically giving us the vote on continuing resolution to the budget that passed last were conditional several months few weeks.

So there's really nothing new there by the same token, you know, what will happen is they those cuts right now a suspect those cuts will become real.

even though there's a stereotype out Supplemental nutrition program is something only benefits or been In fact, it's very, very important.

Even Republican constituencies.

And so pressure going increase as well on public, wants something doing something Michael and having serious talk with Democrats for.

>> One of those Republicans, one of those congressional has come out in support of extending these ACA health care subsidies.

Marjorie Taylor, Greene, typically a staunch Trump supporter.

She wrote on X, quote, I'm going to go against everyone on this issue because when the tax credits expired this year, my own adult children's premiums for 2026 are going to double along with all the wonderful families and hardworking people in my district, top of the bunny.

what happens if Republicans Republican constituencies also start to feel the pain of higher health care premiums.

>> think that's currently what we're seeing now.

I think there's there's a lot of reporting that indicates that the communities that will be hardest takes.

And by the ending of these health care subsidies are, in fact, Republican strongholds.

And so I think they're the Democrats are really time to leverage that information to solidify their position and and come at from a position of strength that they are doing this for working families.

They're doing this.

For Americans as a whole and not just their constituents.

I you know, I think the public opinion is it's a little bit on their side by you know, I think as more Republicans start to break rank, seems solidify their position or I do think and you know, along with many other increase costs if SNAP payments do not family C really big increases in their health care that this does kind of support Democrat position.

But again, policy doesn't always translate into party support.

So said they'd gains may be impartial in the next set of polls.

We see.

>> President Trump content.

Sure.

Go ahead, You know proper context as >> The >> cuts in Medicaid which really, really important road as there was pills be in danger of yes, the Medicaid cuts, in fact, are implemented that were passed in one big, beautiful bill.

They were backed Clinton Republicans said that they would until after the 25 signatures.

And so the other thing that's happening here is that the Democrats by putting the focus on the expiration of the Obamacare subsidies are also helping make the point that this is a party that is consistently again providing health care for all Americans and in particular for poor Americans All right and making sure that that doesn't come as a surprise to people come 2026.

>> President Trump has spent much of the last few weeks overseas.

He's been working on foreign policy.

Here's House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries on Trump's commitment to reopening the government.

>> Listen, we've said to Republicans get to the negotiating table.

We want to find a bipartisan path forward.

We want to reopen the government.

standing by hardworking federal employees, but we need a partner in that effort.

But we don't have a partner literally.

Donald Trump over the last 29 days.

Has spent more time talking to Hamas.

And to the Chinese Communist Party.

to Democrats on Capitol Hill who represent half the country.

>> They're also far fewer workers on furlough this time.

This shutdown compared to the 2019 shutdown.

Tabitha few seconds left is reopening the government high on the president's priority list.

>> He seems to be using this as a way to punish Democrats for I think when he talks about it, he talks that he's going to fire workers for to these Democrats want to focus on.

He talks about kind of icing them.

So the language that we have seen does not seem like he cares about it other than pushing Democrats to to do what he wants and to meet Republican demands.

>> Okay.

That's what we have