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♫♫ ♫♫ ♫♫ ♫♫ ♫♫ >>> HELLO, AND WELCOME BACK TO ANOTHER EPISODE OF "GRAFFITI STREET."

ON THIS EPISODE, WE´LL BE LOOKING AT CANCEL CULTURE.

IN THIS DEFINITION OF CANCEL, TO WITHDRAW ONE´S SUPPORT FOR SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE OR SOMETHING IS WHERE CANCEL CULTURE COMES FROM.

INTERESTING, THE TERM "CANCEL CULTURE" IS USING DISPARAGINGLY WHEN SOMETHING IS CANCELED OR WITH THE INCREASE OF THINGS BEING CANCELED THAT IN THE EYES OF SOME SHOULDN´T BE.

CANCEL IS NOT REALLY NEW.

IT´S JUST A NEW FORM OF BLACK WALLING, STONE WALLING, BANNING BOOKS OR BOYCOTTING.

SO TO GET THINGS ROLLING, MY FIRST QUESTION TO YOU IS DOES CANCELING SOMETHING SERVE A PURPOSE, OR IS IT JUST A REACTIVE OF THE OVERSENSITIVE?

>> I THINK THAT CANCELING IT CAN BE EFFECTIVE IF SOMETHING IS REALLY BAD LIKE MAYBE R. KELLY.

YOU COULD CANCEL HIM BECAUSE WHAT HE DID WAS WRONG.

HE SHOULDN´T GET ANY MORE FAME.

HE SHOULDN´T BE APPRECIATED.

I DON´T KNOW.

FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.

BUT THERE ARE SOME CASES WHERE FOLLOWERS AND PEOPLE JUST BE OVERSENSITIVE AND WANT TO CANCEL PEOPLE FOR ANY REASON.

NO GOOD REASON, I SHOULD SAY.

>> YEAH.

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT.

LIKE BUT DO YOU GET THE FEELING THAT PEOPLE ARE TOO QUICK TO JUDGE AND STRAIGHT BAN YOU OUT, LIKE YOU´RE CANCELED FOR THE MINIMALIST OF THINGS?

>> I FEEL LIKE AT TIMES THAT CAN HAPPEN OR SOMETIMES IT COULD BE SOMETHING SMALL THAT DOESN´T DESERVE CANCELLATION.

IT COULD BE A PERSONAL BEEF OF SOMETHING, SO THEY NEED TO DO THIS FOR PERSONAL GAIN.

>> I THINK PEOPLE ARE QUICK TO CANCEL PEOPLE OVER THINGS PEOPLE MAY HAVE DONE WHEN THEY´RE YOUNGER.

LIKE WHEN YOU ARE A TEENAGER YOU DO DUMB THINGS BUT FOR THE MOST PART YOU LEARN FROM THEM.

SO I THINK PEOPLE TRY AND CANCEL OTHERS FOR WHAT THEY DID WHEN THEY WERE YOUNGER ISN´T RIGHT.

BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK, JOSH?

>> SEE, IT DEPENDS.

IF THE PERSON IS STILL PREPET CHEW WAITING THE SAME TYPE OF ENERGY THEY WERE WHEN THEY WERE 18, 16, THEN I´D BE LIKE, YEAH, MY BOY, YOU NEED TO GET OFF OF TWITTER.

SO IT JUST REALLY DEPENDS.

LIKE WITH DR. SEUSS, I DON´T KNOW IF YOU GUYS KNOW.

YOU OBVIOUSLY DO.

BUT RECENTLY THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONTROVERSY ABOUT DR. SEUSS AND MANY OF HIS LATER BOOKS AT ETHICAL AND MORAL IMPERATIVES TO TREAT OTHERS KINDLY.

HIS EARLIER BOOKS, THOUGH, I DON´T KNOW.

THEY´RE VERY QUESTIONABLE.

SO WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT LIKE DR. SEUSS, LIKE THAT WHOLE CONTROVERSY GOING ON WITH BANNING SOME OF HIS BOOKS?

>> I THINK MAYBE LIKE THE OLDER BOOKS, LIKE THE OLDER BOOKS THAT SHOW LIKE -- THAT WERE REALLY RACIST, THOSE NEED TO BE GONE, NEED TO BE BURNED, SET ASIDE NEVER TO BE OPENED AGAIN.

I DON´T THINK YOU COULD CANCEL IT LIKE "CAT IN THE HAT," "GREEN EGGS AND HAM," THOSE ARE PERFECTLY INNOCENT.

THOSE DON´T NEED TO BE GONE JUST BECAUSE WE´RE TRYING TO CANCEL IT.

>> OKAY.

I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE SAY THAT "THE CAT IN THE HAT" IS MORE LIKE IT´S A BLACK FACE TYPE THING.

LIKE HOW DO YOU -- HOW DO YOU SEPARATE THE PERSON LIKE THE AUTHOR OR LIKE HIS WORK FROM THE THINGS THAT HE´S DONE?

OR IS THERE LIKE A LINE THAT YOU CAN DRAW BETWEEN LIKE TRYING TO HAVE THE AUTHOR´S WORK -- >> YEAH.

SOME PEOPLE CAN´T SEPARATE LIKE HIS WORK FROM THE PERSON BECAUSE IF YOU ARE RACIST, YOU DON´T EVEN WANT TO BUY A BOOK FROM A RACIST.

BUT, I MEAN, WE ALL GREW UP ON IT.

I FEEL LIKE FOR THE MOST PART PEOPLE WOULD SAY, YEAH, IT WAS BLACK FACE BUT SINCE IT´S COMING TO NOW IS IT REALLY THAT RELEVANT IF IT´S BEEN OUT FOR DECADES AND WE ALL KNOW TO LOVE IT?

BUT YEAH.

>> I FEEL LIKE CANCELING HIM MIGHT NOT DO VERY MUCH IN TERMS OF LIKE TAKING AWAY WHAT HE´S DONE.

I MEAN, IT COULD -- YOU MIGHT TAKE SOME OF HIS WORK AND REMOVE IT FROM YOUR CULTURE GROWING UP, BUT I DON´T FEEL THAT IT WILL TAKE AWAY -- I DON´T FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY IS GOING TO WANT TO REMOVE THAT FROM THEIR UPBRINGING BECAUSE IT´S CHILDREN´S ENTERTAINMENT.

SO I DON´T FEEL LIKE IT CAN BE ENTIRELY CANCELED.

>> RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO DO YOU THINK THAT ANYONE WHO HAS PASSED AWAY CAN BE CANCELED OR LIKE -- OR LIKE DR. SEUSS IS ONE.

BUT IF ANOTHER PERSON HAS WORK THAT HAS BEEN FOUND TO BE A BENEFIT TO SOCIETY BUT THEY HAVE DONE TERRIBLE THINGS, HOW DO YOU -- LIKE WOULD YOU STILL CANCEL THEM SINCE THEY HAVE PASSED AWAY?

>> I FEEL LIKE IT DEPENDS ON THE LEGACY AND HOW YOU WERE TAUGHT TO SEE THEM GROWING UP.

SO, LIKE, HE TAUGHT IN EDUCATION AS A GREAT PERSON, BUT HE´S NOT SEEN AS THAT IN ALL PARTS OF THE WORLD.

LIKE IN THE UNITED STATES HE´S PORTRAYED AS A GOOD PERSON.

BUT IN INDIA, HE´S NOT ENTIRELY -- HE´S NOT AS PRESTIGEOUS AS YOU WOULD THINK.

YOU CAN SEPARATE WHO HE´S GONE THROUGH WHO HE IS, BUT YOU CAN´T CANCEL HIS MESSAGE.

>> ALSO I FEEL LIKE IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO CANCEL SOMEONE WHO IS ALREADY DEAD.

LIKE YOU MAY BE ABLE TO TAKE AWAY LIKE THE IMPORTANCE, LIKE THE IMPORTANCE TO THE WORLD LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, ALSO CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS.

IN THE U.S., CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS IS KNOWN FOR FOUNDING AMERICA.

NO.

HISTORY BEHIND IT YOU THINK WHY DO WE HAVE A CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS DAY?

THE ONLY WAY TO CANCEL HIM WOULD BE TO TAKE AWAY CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS DAY AND TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH ABOUT WHO HE IS.

BUT FOR THE MOST PART I DON´T KNOW IF CANCELING THAT PERSON IS THE BEST OR IF IT CAN BE DONE.

>> RIGHT.

WELL, I MEAN, LIKE WITH CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS, I MEAN, ON HIS DAY I THINK WE CELEBRATE FRIENDSHIP DAY.

I MEAN, THAT KIND OF HUMAN TERRITORY HAS GONE AWAY WITH THAT COLONIAL TYPE OF LEGACY, BUT THAT ACTUALLY LEADS INTO ONE OF MY OTHER QUESTIONS.

DO YOU THINK A LEGACY CAN BE ERASED OR CANCELED?

>> YES, I DO.

OKAY.

SORRY.

BECAUSE LIKE WHAT I KNOW OF CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS AND OTHER PEOPLE LIKE BILL COSBY, ONCE YOU PUT THEM IN THAT LIGHT IT IS HARD TO SEE THEM ANY OTHER WAY BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THEM AND BE LIKE, OH, BILL COSBY, THINK OF "THE COSBY SHOW," IT´S A FAMILY SITCOM BUT THEN YOU ALSO THINK OF THE PEOPLE THAT HE DRUGGED AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT´S LIKE, DO I REALLY LIKE BILL COSBY OR DO I JUST LIKE THE SHOW?

YOU JUST LIKE THE SHOW, NOT THE PERSON.

>> YEAH.

IT´S LIKE HOW A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY DON´T HATE -- YES, DON´T HATE THE MUSIC, HATE THE ARTIST.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT.

YEAH.

THAT´S -- I DON´T KNOW LIKE BILL COSBY, THAT TYPE OF STUFF, IT´S VERY HARD TO SEE PASSED IT, KIND OF LIKE IT´S VERY HARD TO OVERLOOK THEIR ACTIONS AND SEE PASSED THAT.

BUT I WANT TO GO TO EMINEM.

RECENTLY HE´S BEEN CANCELED BY THE GEN Z AND THE MILLENNIALS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BACK HIM UP.

SO HOW DO YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT EMINEM BEING CANCELED?

>> I LISTEN TO A LOT OF HIS SONGS.

LIKE A DECENT NUMBER OF HIS SONGS BECAUSE I LIKE HIM.

I DON´T THINK WE SHOULD CANCEL HIM BECAUSE, FIRST OF ALL, THE SONG THEY´RE TRYING TO CANCEL HIM ON CAME OUT LATE ´90s, EARLY 2000s.

TIMES HAVE CHANGED IN THE LAST TWO DECADES.

YOU CAN´T CANCEL HIM FOR THAT, ONE.

TWO, PEOPLE LIKE HIS CHAOTIC ENERGY.

HE´S ASKED ABOUT THINGS.

LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, I DON´T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE SONG BUT IT GOES LIKE, HI, KIDS, DO YOU LIKE VIOLENCE?

DO YOU WANT TO SEE ME STICK NINE INCH NAILS BETWEEN EACH ONE OF MY EYE LIDS?

PEOPLE LIKE THAT.

THEY LIKE THE CHAOTIC ENERGY.

WHY ARE WE TRYING TO CANCEL SLIM SHADY?

>> RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO LIKE SPEAKING OF BIG AND POPULAR PEOPLE, I WANT TO KNOW LIKE HOW DO YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE INFLUENCERS AND YOUTUBERS LIKE LET´S SAY LOGAN PAUL OR EVEN JAMES CHARLES?

>> I FEEL LIKE THEY -- THEY AREN´T TOO BIG TO BE CANCELED.

THEY MAY USE THEIR PLATFORM -- THEY COULD USE IT IN A POSITIVE WAY AND CONTRIBUTE TO SOMEONE BEING CANCELED BUT THEN THAT IN ITSELF COULD -- MAYBE IT WOULD POSITIVELY AFFECT THEM OR THEIR CAREERS.

I FEEL THAT THEY HAVE A LOT OF POWER BASED ON THE PEOPLE THAT THEY PRODUCE THEIR -- THEY ARE DIFFERENT THINGS.

BUT WHO THEY ADVERTISE TO, THE PEOPLE THEY REACH OUT TO, I FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE THE POWER TO THAT AGE GROUP.

SO NEED TO BE MORE CAREFUL THAN OTHERS, MAYBE, JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE SO MUCH POWER.

>> RIGHT.

>> YEP.

HONESTLY, WITH JAMES CHARLES, I DON´T KNOW IF YOU GUYS SAW.

I DON´T KNOW IF HE´S BEING CANCELED OR SUPPOSEDLY GROOMING KIDS.

LIKE THERE HAVE BEEN CASES BEFORE WHERE PEOPLE ACCUSED HIM OF LIKE GROOMING KIDS.

BUT THEN ANOTHER PERSON CAME OUT AND HE LOOKED LIKE HE HAD SOME RECEIPTS.

BY THAT I MEAN HE HAD INAPPROPRIATE PICTURES THAT JAMES CHARLES SENT HIM, AND HE´S ONLY 16.

HE´S A KID.

JAMES CHARLES IS 21, I BELIEVE.

SO I FEEL LIKE, YEAH, HE SHOULD BE CANCELED.

I JUST WANTED TO LET THAT BE KNOWN WHEN HE GETS CANCELED, HOPEFULLY.

IT´S TOO MUCH TO BE AN ACCIDENT AT THIS POINT.

>> YEAH.

LIKE WHEN IT COMES TO SEXUAL ALLEGATIONS, I THINK THAT PEOPLE SHOULD DEFINITELY BE OSTRACIZED FROM THE PUBLIC.

WHEN IT COMES TO A CASE LIKE THAT, IT´S -- IT´S VERY DIFFICULT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS TRUE.

I MEAN, BUT IF THERE IS CLEAR, HARD EVIDENCE OF IT BEING TRUE, THEN YOU SHOULD DEFINITELY FIND THAT PERSON TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF REPERCUSSIONS.

BECAUSE, I MEAN, LIKE DO YOU THINK THAT ANYONE IS EVER TOO BIG TO BECOME INVULNERABLE TO CANCELLATION?

>> I DO.

I FEEL LIKE SOME PEOPLE ARE ABOVE IT.

THEY MAY BE DEALT WITH IN OTHER WAYS WHERE IT´S LIKE MORE FROM A SUPERIOR POWER LIKE BASED ON THE HIERARCHY OF THEIR POSITION.

I FEEL LIKE SOME PEOPLE JUST CAN´T BE CANCELED.

THEY MIGHT NOT BE TOO INVOLVED IN.

>> HE´S THE PRESIDENT AND JAY-Z HATES HIM BASED ON ALLEGATIONS OF EVERYTHING HE´S DONE.

MAYBE THERE IS A LARGE ENOUGH NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT DON´T WANT TO CANCEL YOU, BUT YOU CAN STILL BE CANCELED.

BUT I FEEL LIKE, CAN YOU BE TOO SMALL TO BE CANCELED?

LIKE IF YOU ARE NOT KNOWN, CAN YOU STILL BE CANCELED?

>> I WOULD SAY 100%.

SO IF -- I MEAN TRUMP, HE WAS THE FACE OF OUR COUNTRY FOR FOUR YEARS, AND ONLY UNTIL A COUPLE WEEKS BEFORE HIS -- UNTIL HIS TERM WAS UP WAS HE CANCELED LIKE ON EVERYTHING.

BUT, I MEAN, THE SAME TRUMP SUPPORTERS WHO ARE SAYING THE SAME THINGS ARE STILL ON THEIR VARIOUS PLATFORMS BECAUSE THEY DON´T HAVE A STAGE PRESENCE AS BIG AS TRUMP´S.

SO I WOULD SAY THAT 100% YOU ARE ABLE TO BE SMALL ENOUGH TO NOT BE CANCELED.

IT´S LIKE A MOUSE HIDING FROM A CAT.

IT´S NOT GOING TO BE SEEN SOMETIMES.

BUT IF YOU ARE A BIG ENOUGH MOUSE OR A RAT, YOU ARE GOING TO GET SWALLOWED UP, YEAH.

SO, LIKE, I WANT TO ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION WITH LIKE MEDIA.

DO YOU THINK CANCELLATION IS ONLY THROUGH MEDIA?

LIKE IS MEDIA 100% THING THAT´S REQUIRED?

>> I WOULDN´T SAY IT´S REQUIRED BUT IT MAKES IT A LOT MORE EFFECTIVE.

YOU CAN CANCEL PEOPLE LIKE IN YOUR EVERY DAY COMMUNITY JUST BY WORDS.

YOU DON´T HAVE TO REACH FOR MEDIA.

YOU DON´T NEED AN EXTREMELY LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE TO BE ON YOUR BACK TO CANCEL A SMALLER PERSON.

BUT FOR, LIKE, BIGGER PEOPLE THAT MAY BE IN A HIGHER POSITION THAN YOU OR HAVE MORE FOLLOWERS THAN YOU, MEDIA IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FACTOR IN GETTING THEM CANCELED.

>> YES.

LIKE I WANT TO -- WHAT IS -- OH.

THE PERSON WHO MADE THE HARRY POTTER BOOKS FOR HER, FOR EXAMPLE, OR LIKE EVEN THE GIRL IN "HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL."

I FORGET HER NAME RIGHT NOW.

IT IS SLIPPING MY MIND, BUT I REMEMBER SHE SAID SOMETHING.

OH, VANESSA HUTCHENS.

SHE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT CORONAVIRUS AND IT WAS ON THE LINES OF, YOU KNOW, WE´RE WEARING MASKS BUT WHO CARES IF THE OLD PEOPLE GET SICK AND STUFF.

AND PEOPLE JUST HOPPED ON HER CASE AND, LIKE, THE MEDIA REALLY SPREAD THAT OUT VERY QUICKLY.

AND IT JUST BUILDS UP LIKE A WILD FIRE LIKE YOU WILL RETWEET.

YOUR FRIEND RETWEETS AND EVERYTHING.

IT IS JUST A SNOWBALL EFFECT.

I AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT IT MAKES THINGS EASIER.

YOU DON´T HAVE TO HAVE THE TOWN HALL CRIER SAYING VANESSA HUTCHENS SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE CORONAVIRUS THAT WAS UNTRUE.

YOU KNOW?

IT IS JUST A LOT EASIER.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD ON THAT?

>> I DEFINITELY AGREE.

I THINK SOCIAL MEDIA IS THE ONLY WAY THAT A LARGER ENOUGH AMOUNT OF PEOPLE -- I´M SORRY, CAN AGREE TO CANCEL A PERSON.

LIKE YOU HAVE HAVE A SCHOOL DOWN HERE AND THEN PEOPLE IN THE STATE OR WHEREVER CAN POLL TWITTER OR TIKTOK AND SAY, YEAH, WE NEED TO CANCEL THIS PERSON BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.

IT IS A LOT MORE CONVENIENT THAN WHAT JOSH SAID, HAVING TO GO TO THE TOWN CRIER TO SPREAD THE NEWS.

>> SO THERE´S BEEN A BIT OF A TREND OF COMEDIANS BEING CANCELED FOR THEIR JOKES, EITHER IT BEING -- WELL, BEING TOO OFFENSIVE.

SO, LIKE, HOW DO YOU LIKE FEEL ABOUT COMEDIANS?

WHERE IS THERE A LINE?

LIKE WHAT LINE IS UNCROSSABLE FOR COMEDIANS?

>> I´D SAY DEPENDING ON YOUR RACIAL BACKGROUND, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO USE CERTAIN SLURS OR TERMINOLOGY THAT MAY BE OFFENSIVE TO A DIFFERENT RACIAL DEMOGRAPHIC.

THAT´S ONE LINE IF YOU STEP ACROSS YOU WILL BE CANCELED.

AS WELL AS MAYBE LIKE YOUR SEXUAL ORIENTATION, YOUR GENDER GROUP OR THEIR SEXUAL PREFERENCE, A LOT OF TIMES IT CAN BE A SENSITIVE TOPIC.

>> WITH REGARD TO COMEDIANS, THEY ARE PEOPLE BY DESIGN WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO CRITICIZE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE WORLD.

THEY ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT GAYS, TRANSGENDERS, THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY IN GENERAL.

THEY´RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT LIKE RACE.

IT IS DEFINITELY A HARD TOPIC.

BUT, I MEAN, LIKE HOW -- I DON´T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY CAN´T SAY THE THINGS THAT THEY´RE ABLE TO SAY.

JAIME, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING?

>> YES.

I KIND OF AGREE WITH WHAT DEMETRI SAID.

I FEEL LIKE YOU CAN MAKE JOKES BUT IF YOU ARE WHITE, YOU CAN´T EXACTLY MAKE A BLACK JOKE OR ELSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME FOR YOU.

I FEEL LIKE FOR THE MOST PART, IT´S BEST TO STAY SAFE.

IF YOU WANT, YOU CAN STAY SAFE AND JUST MAKE JOKES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH YOU.

IF YOU ARE TRANS, YOU CAN MAKE A TRANS JOKE AND IT´S FINE BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS.

YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED, YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGH IT ALL.

BUT, I MEAN, LIKE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE LIKE DAVE CHAPELL, FOR EXAMPLE, HE MAKES A LOT OF JOKES THAT SOMETIMES I´M LIKE, OH.

IF HE MADE IT NOW, HE MIGHT HAVE BEEN CANCELED FOR IT.

BUT IT´S KIND OF FUNNY, THOUGH, EVEN THOUGH IT CAN BE CONSIDERED OFFENSIVE.

THAT´S WHAT COMEDY IS, THOUGH.

>> I MEAN, SO LIKE WITH REGARDS TO THE LGBTQ PLUS JOKES, DAVE CHAPELL, AND I´M GOING TO LOOSELY QUOTE HIM.

HE SAID THAT BEING -- THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT TRANSGENDERS AND BEING IN SOMEONE ELSE´S BODY IS FUNNY.

NOW, I HAVE TRANSGENDER FRIENDS, SO DON´T COME AT ME, BUT I KNOW YOU ARE.

END QUOTE.

IT´S SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, OF THOSE LINES.

SO, LIKE, HE´S NOT REALLY BEING OFFENSIVE, BUT HE´S MAKING THE STATEMENT THAT BEING IN YOUR OWN BODY AND NOT KNOWING WHO YOU ARE IS FUNNY.

LIKE HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?

>> PERSONALLY, I REMEMBER SEEING A SPECIAL.

I KIND OF LAUGHED AT IT.

I KIND OF LAUGHED.

BUT COMEDY IS REALLY -- IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE VIEWER BECAUSE IF YOU WERE TICKED OFF BY BEING CALLED A SNOW FLAKE, YOU WILL GET OFFENDED AND WANT TO CANCEL HIM.

BUT IF YOU HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR, YOU LAUGH AT EVERYTHING.

IT´S FUNNY.

>> YEAH.

SO LIKE ARE YOU SAYING THAT IS IT FUNNY IF THE MAJORITY IS OKAY WITH IT OR, LIKE, LIKE -- IF TROLLS, RIGHT, A LOT OF PEOPLE FIND WHAT THEY SAY TO BE FUNNY.

>> I FEEL THAT IF THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE APPRECIATE THE JOKE OR IT´S APPEALING, I DON´T FEEL YOU CAN CANCEL SOMEONE BECAUSE YOU NEED A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THAT SPECIFIC TOPIC THAT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT, YOU NEED A LOT OF THEM TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM TO CANCEL THEM.

LIKE THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE FOUND IT APPEALING, YOU CAN´T REALLY CANCEL SOMEONE FOR THAT.

>> THIS IS WHERE IT GETS TRICKY BECAUSE LIKE EVEN IF THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE FIND IT FUNNY, THAT DOESN´T MEAN THAT PEOPLE WHO WERE OFFENDED BY IT, THEIR FEELINGS DON´T MATTER BECAUSE IF WE WENT BACK LIKE 200 YEARS AGO WHEN IT WAS CONSIDERED THE NORM BUT IT´S SAD.

THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE FOUND IT TO BE SAD.

ALL OF THIS JUST DEPENDS ON YOUR PERCEPTION OF THINGS.

I THINK THAT´S LIKE WHY CANCEL CULTURE IS SO DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT REALLY DEPENDS ON YOUR PERSPECTIVE OF IT.

>> YEAH.

I SEE THAT.

SO COMEDY IS ALSO REALLY ABOUT -- I MEAN, BACK IN THE DAY A WHITE PERSON COULD SAY THE N WORD AND IT WOULD FLY.

BUT NOW IT´S LIKE, OH, YOU SAY THAT?

YOU ARE OFF THE AIR.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT ALSO, DO YOU THINK THAT SOMEONE CAN BE FORGIVEN OR UNCANCELED?

>> TO AN EXTENT, I FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES YOU CAN BE FORGIVEN LIKE WITH KOBE, FOR EXAMPLE.

WHEN HE WAS YOUNGER HE HAD THOSE -- HE HAD THAT WHOLE CASE AGAINST HIM, AND AS TIME WENT ON AND HE BECAME OLDER, YOU COULD SEE HE WAS CHANGING AND BECOMING A DIFFERENT PERSON AND A PERSON EVERYONE LOVED, SO HE WASN´T REALLY CANCELED BUT HE WAS ON THE VERGE OF BEING CANCELED AND HE WAS FORGIVEN.

SO YEAH.

>> I THINK IT DEPENDS ON YOUR TRIBE, I SHOULD SAY.

LIKE IF YOU WERE 14 AND YOU SAID THE N WORD, IT IS LIKE, OKAY, MAYBE YOU CHANGED.

WE´RE STILL GOING TO WATCH YOU BUT YOU ARE FORGIVEN FOR NOW.

BUT IF YOU WERE LIKE 26 AND YOU WERE DATING A 14-YEAR-OLD CANCELED, OFF THE AIR.

>> OKAY, YEAH.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

SO WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT TIME HEALS WOUNDS, EVEN WITH CANCELLATIONS.

SO THAT´S ALL THE TIME THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE FOR TODAY.

SO AS WE WRAP UP ANOTHER EPISODE OF GRAFFITI STREET, WE´RE NOT QUITE DONE WITH THIS TOPIC AND THE DEBATE AROUND BOTH TIE INTO FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND WE´LL CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION NEXT TIME ON "GRAFFITI STREET."

THANKS FOR TUNING IN.

GOOD-BYE.

♫♫ >>> THE VIEWS EXPRESSED ON THIS PROGRAM ARE NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF WTJX, ITS BOARD, STAFF OR UNDERWRITERS.