>>ANNOUNCER: REPORT FROM SANTA FE IS MADE POSSIBLE, IN PART, BY GRANTS FROM THE NATIONAL EDUCATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF NEW MEXICO, AN ORGANIZATION OF PROFESSIONALS WHO BELIEVE THAT INVESTING IN PUBLIC EDUCATION IS AN INVESTMENT IN OUR STATE'S ECONOMIC FUTURE, FROM THE NEW MEXICO MUNICIPAL LEAGUE, A BETTER NEW MEXICO THROUGH BETTER CITIES AND FROM >>LORENE: HELLO, I AM LORENE MILLS AND WELCOME TO REPORT FROM SANTA FE .

I HAVE BEEN SO TAKEN ABACK BY SOME NATIONAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT I'VE CALLED GREG PALAST TO BE OUR GUEST TODAY, GREG IS AN INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER WITH THE BBC, THE GUARDIAN, ROLLING STONE, NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLING AUTHOR, BOOKS IN 24 LANGUAGES.

HE SPECIALIZES IN THE STUDY OF VOTER SUPPRESSION.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO IS DOING IT, HE IS THERE.

HE HELPED A LOT WITH STACEY ABRAMS AND THE MAILING LIST IN GEORGIA, AND SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, GREG, WELCOME BACK TO THE SHOW.

>>GREG: GLAD TO BE WITH YOU AGAIN, LORENE.

>>LORENE: I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE TO GO TO MAKE SENSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON THESE DAYS WITH VOTER SUPPRESSION, SO I AM JUST GOING TO ASK YOU TO TAKE IT.

BUT IT IS LIKE, WHAT 36 STATES, 400 BILLS THAT ACTUALLY ERODE OUR CONSTITUTION AND ERODE OUR DEMOCRACY, SO PLEASE, MAKE SOME SENSE OF THIS.

>>GREG: WELL YOU KNOW, I REPORT OUT OF BRITAIN'S GUARDIAN AND I WAS WITH BBC AND THEY THINK WE ARE NUTS IN EUROPE AND MOST OF THE WORLD.

YOU KNOW, MOST DEMOCRACIES SAY, WELL, THE WAY YOU RUN ELECTIONS IS YOU PEOPLE VOTE AND YOU COUNT THE VOTES AND THAT IS HOW YOU CHOOSE THE WINNER.

NOT IN AMERICA, NEVER BEEN AND, UNFORTUNATELY, LOOKS LIKE IT WON'T BE.

AND RIGHT NOW, SO IN THE LAST ELECTION, OBVIOUSLY, THERE WAS ABSOLUTE PITCH BATTLES NOT OVER WHETHER BIDEN WON, BUT WHETHER YOU SHOULD COUNT THE VOTES OF THE PEOPLE WHO CAST THEIR VOTES FOR BIDEN.

FOR EXAMPLE, IN PENNSYLVANIA, YOU KNOW WHEN THE CONGRESS AFTER THE RIOT, THE NIGHT OF THE RIOT YOU HAD A RIOT SAYING DON'T CERTIFY THE ELECTION AND IF YOU LISTEN TO THE SPEECHES OF THOSE WHO VOTED AGAINST CERTIFYING THE WINNER OF OUR ELECTION, WHICH IS KIND OF ODD FOR DEMOCRACY, BUT WHAT WAS THEIR EXCUSE, OH THEY CHANGED THE RULES, VOTES THAT COME AFTER THURSDAY SHOULDN'T BE COUNTED IF THEY ARRIVED ON FRIDAY EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE MAILED A WEEK BEFORE.

THE PEOPLE'S VOTES SHOULDN'T COUNT IF THEY HAD, FOR EXAMPLE AND I WILL TELL YOU KNOW THAT A COUPLE NE'ER-DO-WELLS ALMOST LOST THEIR VOTES BECAUSE THEY PUT AN "X" MARK INSTEAD OF FILLING IN A BUBBLE ON A BALLOT AND SO THEIR VOTES WERE CHALLENGED, THAT'S MY PARENTS.

AND SO I GOT TO TELL YOU, SO WE HAVE THIS GOTCHA GAME IN THE US WHERE WE STOP PEOPLE FROM VOTING AND OR DON'T COUNT THEIR BALLOTS, WE CALL IT, IT GOES INTO THE POLITE NAME OF VOTE SUPPRESSION BUT IT IS REALLY A DIRECT ATTACK ON THE RIGHT TO VOTE AND THE RIGHT TO HAVE YOUR VOTE COUNTED.

SO RIGHT NOW, AS YOU MENTIONED, 35 STATES, 200 AND SOME PIECES OF LEGISLATION, ALL TO STOP PEOPLE FROM REGISTERING TO VOTE OR STOP THEIR VOTES FROM COUNTING.

NOT THAT WE, NOW THE EXCUSE FOR THIS BY THE WAY IS SO, THEY DIDN'T SAY, "OH, WE'RE GOING TO STOP DEMOCRACY."

NONE OF THE BILLS ARE CALLED THE STOP DEMOCRACY YOU CAN'T VOTE BILL, THEY ARE ALL VERY INTO THE TERM VOTER INTEGRITY, STOP FRAUD, IT IS ALL ABOUT STOPPING FRAUDULENT VOTERS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SWIMMING THE RIO GRANDE TO VOTE IN SCHOOL BOARD ELECTIONS AND PEOPLE VOTING SIX OR SEVEN TIMES.

THE THING IS, LORENE, WE CAN'T FIND THESE NE'ER-DO-WELL VOTERS.

I HAVE CHALLENGED ALL THESE CHARACTERS, THESE SECRETARIES OF STATE IN VARIOUS STATES THAT ARE COMING UP WITH THESE GAMES SAYING, "OH WE GOT TO HAVE LAWS TO STOP THE DOUBLE VOTERS, TO STOP THE ILLEGAL VOTERS, THE OUT OF STATE VOTERS."

WELL YOU HAVE THEIR NAMES AND ADDRESSES, HOW MANY HAVE YOU ARRESTED, AND THE ANSWER, NOW IN THE PAST DECADE, UNDERSTAND WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE BILLION VOTES CAST IN ALL OUR ELECTIONS PUT TOGETHER, WE HAVE HAD LESS THAN 12 CONVICTIONS FOR VOTER FRAUD IN MORE THAN A DECADE.

IT IS ABOUT 600 PERCENT MORE LIKELY THAT YOU WILL GET STRUCK AND KILLED BY LIGHTNING THAN CAST A FRAUDULENT VOTE.

WE DON'T HAVE ELECTIONS DETERMINED BY FRAUDULENT VOTES BUT WE DO HAVE ELECTIONS DETERMINED, UNFORTUNATELY, BY VOTE SUPPRESSION TECHNIQUES.

AND THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN REPORTING ON AND I AM ABOUT TO, BY THE WAY, HEAD BACK TO GEORGIA, GROUND ZERO VOTE SUPPRESSION CENTRAL.

>>LORENE: SO, TELL US WHAT YOU DID IN GEORGIA WITH CERTAIN, THERE WAS A MOVEMENT TO PURGE A COUPLE OF HUNDRED THOUSAND VOTERS FROM THE ROLLS AND YOU WERE ABLE TO RETRIEVE THEM AND WHAT IS YOUR RELATIONSHIP TO STACEY ABRAMS?

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO IN GEORGIA AND SOME OF THESE LAWS LIKE, YOU CANNOT GIVE GRANDMA A BOTTLE OF WATER AFTER YOU HAVE MADE THE LINE SO LONG FOR HER TO STAND IN THE HOT SUN FOR 10 HOURS AND THEN YOU CAN'T GIVE HER A BOTTLE OF WATER?

>>GREG: YEAH I BROKE A STORY, WHICH IS SO WEIRD, IT IS TOO WEIRD TO BE TRUE BUT IT IS.

IT IS A FELONY CRIME IN GEORGIA TO HAND SOMEONE A SLICE OF PIZZA OR A BOTTLE OF WATER WHILE THEY ARE WAITING IN LINE.

AND YOU'VE GOT IT RIGHT, LORENE, WHY ARE PEOPLE WAITING IN THE GEORGIA SUN FOR FOUR AND SIX HOURS, BECAUSE OF THE GIMMICKS THAT ARE USED TO MAKE IT HARD TO VOTE.

THEY GIVE YOU LONG LINES AND THEN THEY SAY, GRANDMA, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KEEL OVER FROM THIRST OR HUNGER.

IN FACT I WAS DOWN THERE IN GEORGIA IN COBB COUNTY WHERE THIS NE'ER-DO-WELL CRIMINAL GANG OF PIZZA PUSHERS CALLED "PAPA JOHNS" THEY'RE WEARING THEIR VESTS SO I CAN IDENTIFY THEM, THE GANG, THE "PAPA JOHN'S" GANG WAS OUT HANDING OUT FELONIOUS PIZZA AND BOTTLES OF WATER.

IT REALLY IS A FELONY CRIME TO GO TO JAIL FOR MORE THAN A YEAR.

SO NOW BESIDES THE WEIRD FUN AND GAMES, IT IS NOT ALWAYS FUN, ONE OF THE REASONS FOR EXAMPLE IN COBB COUNTY THAT THERE WERE FOUR HOUR LINES, IS THAT THERE WERE ONLY, FOR HALF A MILLION VOTERS, THERE WERE ONLY ELEVEN EARLY VOTING STATIONS.

JOE BIDEN WON THAT COUNTY WHICH IS BY THE WAY NEWT GINGRICH'S COUNTY SO YOU COULD IMAGINE THE REPUBLICAN SHOCK WHEN JOE BIDEN TOOK THE COUNTY AND, THEREFORE, THAT GAVE HIM GEORGIA AND GAVE HIM THE PRESIDENCY.

SO WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO, INSTEAD OF SAYING WELL, WHEN THEY HAD A SENATE RUNOFF, FOR THE TWO SENATE SEATS IN GEORGIA, RATHER THAN TRY TO CONVINCE THE VOTERS TO VOTE FOR THEIR CANDIDATE, THEY SAID, WELL LET'S JUST STOP THE OTHER GUYS VOTERS FROM VOTING.

SO THEY CLOSED SIX OF THE ELEVEN VOTING STATIONS, ALL SIX WERE IN AFRICAN AMERICAN NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO AFRICAN AMERICANS HAD TO DRIVE TO THE WHITE POLLING STATIONS AND NOW THEY HAD TO WAIT IN THESE LONG LINES AND WHERE "PAPA JOHNS" WAS HANDING OUT ILLEGAL PIZZA, BUT IT WENT FURTHER THAN THAT.

FOR EIGHT YEARS, I HAVE BEEN FOCUSING ON GEORGIA, I WORK ALL OVER THE WORLD BUT I HAVE BEEN FOCUSING ON GEORGIA BECAUSE MARTIN LUTHER KING III, EIGHT YEARS AGO, TOLD ME, "GREG, GEORGIA IS A BLUE STATE, PEOPLE THINK IT IS THE DEEP SOUTH.

IT IS A BLUE STATE IF THEY WOULD LET US VOTE."

NOW I AM NOT PARTISAN, I JUST THINK PEOPLE OUGHT TO VOTE.

I HAVE COVERED, BY THE WAY, SHENANIGANS IN THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CALIFORNIA HERE WHERE I AM SPEAKING TO YOU FROM.

DEMOCRATS CAN PLAY THESE GAMES, TOO, BUT, RIGHT NOW, THE RACIAL GAME IS BEING PLAYED, UNFORTUNATELY, MOSTLY BY THE GOP AND IN PLACES LIKE GEORGIA.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN 2018 WHEN STACEY ABRAMS WAS RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR AGAINST A GUY NAMED BRIAN KEMP, WHO IS SECRETARY OF STATE, THAT MEANS HE WAS IN CHARGE OF THE VOTER ROLLS.

I AM IN LINE WITH THE VOTERS AT A VOTING STATION IN ATLANTA.

IT IS POURING RAIN AND THERE IN THE RAIN THERE IS A WOMAN CRYING HER EYES OUT BECAUSE HER GRANDMOTHER WAS TOLD SHE COULDN'T VOTE, IT WAS GOING TO BE HER 50TH YEAR OF VOTING.

HER NAME IS CHRISTINE JORDAN, SHE IS MARTIN LUTHER KING'S COUSIN.

AND I LOOKED IT UP, YES, THEY BOUNCED HER OFF THE VOTER ROLLS SAYING THAT SHE HAD LEFT ATLANTA.

BUT THEN I WENT TO THE HOUSE IN ATLANTA THAT THEY SAID SHE MOVED OUT OF AND SHE HAS BEEN THERE AT LEAST 50 YEARS BECAUSE THERE WAS MARTIN LUTHER KING HAVING DINNER WITH HER IN THAT VERY HOUSE, SO SHE HAD TO BE THERE AT LEAST 50 YEARS.

AND THEY BOUNCED HER OFF THE ROLLS AND THEY BOUNCED THAT YEAR 300,000 PEOPLE OFF THE VOTER ROLLS FOR MOVING AND ACCORDING TO THE EXPERTS FROM, GUESS WHAT THAT NEFARIOUS AGENCY CALLED THE POST OFFICE, YOU KNOW THOSE BAD BOYS, SO THE POST OFFICE SAID, "THESE PEOPLE HAVEN'T MOVED, WE DELIVER MAIL TO THEM."

SO AND NOW THAT WAS 2018, THEY CAME BACK BRIAN KEMP, NOW HERE IS THE INTERESTING THING, THE GUY WON WAS THE GUY IN CHARGE OF THE VOTER ROLLS, SECRETARY OF STATE AND THEREFORE, HE WAS LITERALLY IN CHARGE OF HIS OWN ELECTION, EVEN THE WALL STREET JOURNAL SAID THAT WAS UNETHICAL.

THEN HE WAS BACK IN 2018 AND REMOVED ANOTHER 198,000 VOTERS WHO SUPPOSEDLY MOVED, BUT THEY DIDN'T.

I WAS IN GEORGIA, I MET WITH THE VOTERS, WE SPOKE TO THE VOTERS, WE SPOKE TO HUNDREDS OF THEM ACTUALLY.

THEY SAID WE HAVEN'T MOVED BUT THEY LOST THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE, IT IS CALLED A SCRUB.

THIS GAME HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR NOW AT LEAST 20 YEARS AND IT HAS BEEN VERY, VERY BAD NEWS AROUND THE COUNTRY.

BUT THESE THINGS GET TEST DRIVEN, THESE VOTE SPECIAL TECHNIQUES TEND TO BE TEST DRIVEN IN GEORGIA, WHICH IS WHY I HAVE BEEN CONCENTRATING THERE.

AND NOW I AM BACK BECAUSE THEY HAVE GOTTEN NEW GAMES THAT THEY ARE PLAYING IN GEORGIA AND AROUND THE WORLD AND AROUND THE COUNTRY SO THERE YOU GO.

>>LORENE: SO ONE THING THAT YOU DID BECAUSE YOU TALK ABOUT THIS IN THIS WONDERFUL BOOK YOU WROTE CALLED, HOW TRUMP STOLE 2020 .

>>GREG: IT WAS A WARNING, NOT A PREDICTION.

>>LORENE: IT WAS A WARNING, IT WAS A WARNING AND THE OTHER ONE THAT I JUST LOVE IS THE BEST DEMOCRACY MONEY CAN BUY .

IT IS A DVD, IT IS JUST MARVELOUS.

BUT WHAT I LEARNED FROM YOU AND YOUR WORK IS THAT YOU WENT TO SOMETHING CALLED A MAILING LIST HYGIENE EXPERT.

AND SINCE SO MUCH OF OUR BUSINESS WITH AMAZON, YOU KNOW THEY ARE DOING MAILING LISTS WHICH HAVE GOT TO BE PRECISE SO THEY HAVE EXPERTS, BIG COMMERCIAL USERS OF THE MAIL AND MAILING LISTS, THEY ARE ON TOP OF THEIR MAILING LISTS.

AND SO YOU HAD THE COMMERCIAL PROFESSIONALS OF MAILING LISTS LOOK AT THESE SUPPOSED US POST OFFICE MAILING LISTINGS AND THEY WERE TOTALLY INACCURATE.

>>GREG: WELL THE POST OFFICE WAS FINE, THE PROBLEM WAS THE SECRETARY OF STATES.

SEE WE HAVE THIS BUSINESS WHETHER IT IS IN NEW MEXICO OR GEORGIA OR THE REST OF THE COUNTRY, ALMOST EVERYWHERE, OUR ELECTIONS ARE RUN BY PARTISAN OFFICIALS.

IN OTHER NATIONS EXCEPT FOR I GUESS RED CHINA AND RUSSIA, YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE PARTISAN OFFICIALS IN CHARGE OF WHO GETS TO VOTE.

SO YES, WE WENT, WE GOT THESE LISTS OF PEOPLE THAT SUPPOSEDLY HAD MOVED, THEY SAID THEY CAME FROM THE POST OFFICE, THE POST OFFICE SAID, "THIS DIDN'T COME FROM US."

THEN WE WENT TO THESE EXPERTS, WHO KNOWS WHERE YOU LIVE, AMAZON, GOOGLE, THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU LIVE.

THEY KEEP 1700 DATA BASES ON EVERYONE BECAUSE THEY NEVER GET THE WRONG LORENE, YOU KNOW YOUR CHOCOLATES AND IT DOESN'T GO TO A DIFFERENT LORENE.

THEY ALWAYS GET IT RIGHT, WHY?

THEY KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE AND WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, THEY KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE RIGHT NOW.

SO WE CHECKED WITH THEM AND THEY SAID LOOK, THE GEORGIA VOTER ROLLS HAVE BEEN JACKED WITH AND THEY ARE PHONY.

THEY ARE EXPERTS AND THEY ARE NONPARTISAN, THEY HAVE NO DOG IN THIS FIGHT.

SO WE GOT THE EXPERTS AND I WILL SAY YES, YOU ASKED ABOUT STACEY ABRAMS.

SHE HAS AN ORGANIZATION CALLED FAIR FIGHT GEORGIA WHILE SHE WAS NOT A CANDIDATE, I DON'T WORK WITH CANDIDATES BECAUSE I AM NOT HERE TO ELECT SOMEONE OR NOT ELECT SOMEONE, BUT I AM HERE TO LET THE VOTERS DECIDE BUT YES, WHILE SHE FORMED AN ORGANIZATION CALLED FAIR FIGHT IN GEORGIA, SHE PAID FOR THE COST OF ALL THOSE EXPERTS.

IT WASN'T A CHEAP OPERATION BUT WE WERE ABLE TO GET TO THE TRUTH, TAKE IT TO FEDERAL COURT AND WE WON SOME OF OUR CASES IN FEDERAL COURT.

BUT IT IS WACKAMO, EVERY TIME YOU UNCOVER AND BUST THEM ON ONE THING, THEY COME UP WITH ANOTHER.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS YEAR THE GEORGIA LEGISLATURE PASSED A LAW SAYING THAT THEY ARE JOINING ANOTHER SCRUB ORGANIZATION CALLED ERIC, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT IS BUT IT IS ANOTHER GIMMICK TO SAY YOU HAVE MOVED.

I SAW THIS IN WISCONSIN, SO WE HAVEN'T JUST WORKED IN GEORGIA, IN WISCONSIN.

IN GEORGIA, WE WERE ALSO WORKING WITH THE ACLU OF GEORGIA AND YOU KNOW THAT DANGEROUS ORGANIZATION, AND THEN IN WISCONSIN, WE WERE WORKING WITH A GROUP CALLED BLACK VOTERS MATTER AND WE INVESTIGATED THERE AND THIS ORGANIZATION CALLED ERIC, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO IS BEHIND IT, BUT THE MONEY BEHIND IT ARE RIGHT WING BILLIONAIRES AND IT IS CALLED THE BRADLEY FAMILY.

THEY ARE LIKE THE NEW KOCHS AND THEY BACKED THIS CHALLENGE TO THE VOTER ROLL, THEY GOT IT THROUGH THE STATE LEGISLATURE, WHICH IS HEAVILY GOP, BUT THE STATE BOARD OF ELECTIONS, WHICH IS BIPARTISAN, THAT IS UNUSUAL TO HAVE A BIPARTISAN BOARD AND THE BIPARTISAN BOARD OF WISCONSIN, WE DID AN ANALYSIS AND SAID TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ON THIS LIST WHO YOU SAY HAVE MOVED, HERE THEY ARE, WE HAVE GOT THEIR PHONE NUMBERS, THEIR NAMES, THEY ARE THERE AND BY THE WAY, HERE THEY ARE ON CAMERA SAYING, "I AM LIVING HERE, WHY AM I LOSING MY VOTE?"

AND ALMOST EVERYONE WHO WAS CHALLENGED WAS EITHER A STUDENT IN MADISON, WISCONSIN OR AN AFRICAN AMERICAN IN MILWAUKEE.

THIS IS HOW YOU PLAY GAMES WITH THE VOTES AND IN FACT I HAVE GOT TO TELL YOU, IF WE DIDN'T SAVE THOSE VOTES IN WISCONSIN, JOE BIDEN WOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN WISCONSIN.

IF WE DIDN'T SAVE VOTES IN GEORGIA, HE WOULD NOT HAVE WON IN GEORGIA BY JUST 12,000 VOTES, JUST OVER 10,000 IN WISCONSIN.

AND I AM NOT HERE TO ELECT JOE BIDEN, THAT IS NOT MY JOB, BUT, I WAS VERY HAPPY THAT I HELPED THE VOTERS MAKE THE CHOICE OF WHO SHOULD BE PRESIDENT.

IT WAS THAT CLOSE, IT WAS THAT CLOSE, IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE ACTIVISTS AND THE EXPERTS AND SOME REALLY HONEST PUBLIC OFFICIALS LIKE THE ELECTIONS BOARD OF WISCONSIN, YOU KNOW WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD THE PEOPLE ELECT THE PRESIDENT, THAT IS NOT GOOD.

>>LORENE: WE ARE SPEAKING TODAY WITH GREG PALAST, WHO IS MY GO TO PERSON ON VOTER SUPPRESSION AND WHAT IS GOING ON, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TAKING THE TIME.

IT IS DAUNTING TO ME WE JUST GET THROUGH ONE BIG POLITICAL, IT IS WACKAMO, I MEAN FOR FLORIDA NOW TO HAVE A LAW THAT YOU CAN MOW DOWN PEOPLE IN YOUR CAR IF THEY ARE MARCHING IN THE STREET.

WHAT HAVE THEY TAKEN LEAVE OF THEIR SENSES, YOU CAN'T GIVE PEOPLE THE RIGHT TO MOW PEOPLE DOWN.

SO WHAT CAN WE DO, WE OBSERVE THIS GOING ON, THERE ARE TWO THINGS I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT, WILL WE EVER PUT CIVICS BACK IN OUR SCHOOLS SO THAT AMERICANS WILL KNOW HOW A DEMOCRACY WORKS, HOW THE CONSTITUTION WORKS AND THE OTHER THING IS, WHAT ABOUT A NATIONAL BUREAU OF ELECTIONS WITH STANDARDIZED RULES FOR EVERY STATE, NON-PARTISAN PEOPLE COUNTING THE VOTES.

AM I HAVING PIPE DREAMS, IS THERE ANY CHANCE WE CAN GET TO ORDER FROM CHAOS?

>>GREG: WELL TWO THINGS, I REALLY DON'T WANT A NATIONAL SYSTEM IN SOME WAYS BECAUSE WHOSE NATIONAL SYSTEM IS IT, TRUMP AND HIS GANG, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW.

BUT I DO WANT IS A SYSTEM WHERE THE VOTER GETS TO VOTE AND WHETHER IT IS NATIONAL OR STATE, WE DO HAVE LAWS ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW, I AM NOT PROMOTING ANY PARTICULAR LEGISLATION.

BUT WHY ARE WE SUDDENLY PURGING VOTERS, WHY ARE WE SCRUBBING VOTERS FROM THE VOTER ROLLS?

WE ARE TOLD THAT IN EACH OF THESE CASES FOR EXAMPLE THE BIG WIPEOUT IN WISCONSIN AND THE BIG WIPEOUT OF VOTERS IN GEORGIA WAS ALL ON THE GROUNDS THAT THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE MOVED AWAY, MOVED TO OTHER STATES AND THEY DON'T LIVE THERE ANYMORE AND THEY COULDN'T FIND ONE ILLEGAL VOTER.

SO WHY ARE WE EVEN DOING THIS BECAUSE WE KNOW FOR DEAD CERTAIN THAT IN EACH OF THESE STATES OVER 100,000 LEGAL VOTERS HAD THEIR VOTES TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM.

YOU KNOW IN FLORIDA, I STARTED LOOKING AT THIS 20 YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS WITH THE GUARDIAN AND BBC, I WAS IN LONDON AND I WAS WATCHING IN FLORIDA, YOU KNOW, WHEN GEORGE BUSH SUPPOSEDLY WON FLORIDA BY 537 VOTES, THAT'S IT, THAT GAVE HIM THE PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES.

AND THEN I FIND OUT THAT THEY REMOVED 58,000 BLACK MEN SAYING THAT THEY WERE EX-CONS, FELONS, WELL THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE IN FLORIDA AT THAT TIME, THEY CAN NOW, BUT THEY COULDN'T AT THAT TIME.

BUT THEN I CHECKED, THESE WERE NOT FELONS, THESE WERE PEOPLE WITH FELON LIKE NAMES, NAMES THAT WERE, IN FACT, I HAD ONE GUY, WILLIE STEEN, HE WORKED AT A HOSPITAL AND YOU CAN'T WORK IN A HOSPITAL IN FLORIDA BY THE WAY IF YOU HAVE A FELONY CONVICTION.

HE WAS MATCHED WITH A WHITE GUY IN OHIO WHO GOT CONVICTED OF A FELONY CRIME NAMED WILLIE OSTEEN, THE GUY IS WHITE, I KNOW THIS BECAUSE THE RACE IS MARKED ON THE REGISTRATIONS IN THESE STATES AND THAT'S HOW BUSH WON BY REMOVING SO-CALLED FELONS, JUST BLACK MEN WHO THEY HAD TAKEN OFF THE ROLLS AND SAID THAT THESE ARE EX-CONS AND THEY WEREN'T.

SO THAT IS WHERE IT STARTED AND THEN WE HAD A LAW CALLED HELP AMERICA VOTE ACT AND THAT COMPUTERIZED ALL THE VOTER ROLLS AND THAT MADE IT VERY EASY TO PRESS A BUTTON AND GET RID OF PEOPLE YOU DON'T LIKE.

SO THIS GAME HAS BEEN GOING ON, WILL IT EVER END, NO, WILL WE BE ABLE TO MAKE PROGRESS, WE ALWAYS DO, IT HAS BEEN A LONG, SLOG.

YOU KNOW I WAS WITH A LOT OF THE VOTING RIGHTS LEADERS IN SELMA, ALABAMA BECAUSE IN ALABAMA THERE IS SOME OF THESE SAME GAMES, THE GREAT SENATOR SANDERS, HANK SANDERS, AN AFRICAN AMERICAN WHO MARCHED WITH KING OVER THAT BRIDGE IN 1965, WE HAVE GOT TO KEEP MARCHING OVER THAT BRIDGE, THAT MARCH NEVER ENDS AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE GOT TO KEEP DOING.

SO WE KEEP VIGILANCE, IT NEVER ENDS, THE ATTACKS ON THE VOTE NEVER END.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, SLOWLY BUT SLOWLY, AMERICA IS TURNING INTO A DEMOCRACY, LORENE, WE ARE GETTING THERE.

>>LORENE: WELL YOU DESCRIBE IN ONE OF YOUR BOOKS, MEET THE NEW JIM CROW .

"FIFTY YEARS AGO AFRICAN AMERICANS WERE KEPT FROM THE POLLS BY THE THREAT OF BEATINGS AND LYNCHINGS, TODAY, JIM CROW HAS TRADED IN HIS WHITE SHEETS FOR SPREADSHEETS.

HE IS DR. JAMES CROW, SYSTEMS ANALYST, HIS METHOD IS LYNCHING BY LAPTOP."

>>GREG: YES, AND THAT IS A PROBLEM, IT IS STILL VERY RACIAL AS I SAID AND WE STARTED IN FLORIDA IN 2000 WITH BLACK MEN BEING DESIGNATED AS FELONS, NOT ONE WAS, THERE WASN'T A SINGLE EX-CON IN THAT LIST.

THEN WE GO TO GEORGIA IN 2018 WHERE YOU HAVE THE SAME GAMES BEING PLAYED, REMOVING VOTERS OF COLOR, AND INTERESTINGLY IN GEORGIA, THE BIG ATTACK IS ON THE ASIAN AMERICAN VOTE WHICH IS A RISING DEMOGRAPHIC IN AMERICA AND ESPECIALLY IN GEORGIA.

AND THEY BASICALLY HAVE TO STOP ASIAN AMERICANS FROM VOTING AND SO YOU HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, A HECK OF A LOT OF KOREAN AMERICANS NAMED DAVID KIM.

SO THEY FIND A DAVID KIM, I KID YOU NOT, THEY FIND DAVID KIM IN ATLANTA AND THEN THEY FIND A DAVID KIM IN DETROIT AND THEY SAY, "OH THAT MUST BE THE SAME DAVID KIM."

I CAN'T MAKE THIS UP EVEN THOUGH THE MIDDLE NAMES ARE DIFFERENT AND THEN THEY REMOVE DAVID KIM FROM THE VOTER ROLLS, THIS IS A GAME THAT IS BEING PLAYED.

NOW INTERESTINGLY THE FIRST TIME THEY TRIED THAT TRICK WAS WITH A SYSTEM CALLED INTERSTATE CROSS CHECK BY A GUY NAMED CRISCO BACH OF KANSAS, WELL GUESS WHAT, THE ACLU SUED, I EXPOSED IT IN MY FILM, THE BEST DEMOCRACY MONEY COULD BUY , THE ACLU SUED AND THEY SHUT DOWN THAT SYSTEM.

BUT NOW THEY HAVE GOT THIS NEW SYSTEM I CALL IT ERIC CROW, BUT IT IS ANOTHER VERSION OF CROSS CHECK.

THEY KEEP COMING BACK SO WE STAY VIGILANT AND BY THE WAY, I WANT TO TELL EVERYONE TWO GOOD THINGS.

ONE, THEY CAN'T STEAL ALL THE VOTES ALL THE TIME AND NUMBER TWO, HEY, PROTECT YOUR VOTE AND THE BIGGEST THING ANYONE CAN DO TO PROTECT YOUR VOTE, CHECK YOUR REGISTRATION.

DON'T BE LIKE MRS. JORDAN AND HER GRANDDAUGHTER IN TEARS BECAUSE YOU SHOWED UP AT THE POLL AND YOU ARE ONE OF THE 24 MILLION PEOPLE WHO GET PURGED FROM THE VOTER ROLLS EVERY YEAR.

DON'T BE ONE OF THOSE WHERE YOU GET STUCK AND YOU GET A PROVISIONAL BALLOT AND THAT IS NOT COUNTED.

TAKE CARE OF YOUR VOTE, MAKE SURE EVERYONE YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY REGISTERS AND VOTES, BUT CHECKS THEIR REGISTRATION.

>>LORENE: DO YOU HAVE A SITE, IS THAT SITE STILL ACTIVE THAT WAS ACTIVE IN THE 2020 ELECTION WHERE YOU CAN CHECK YOUR REGISTRATION TO BE SURE THAT YOU ARE REGISTERED.

>>GREG: WELL, WE WILL BE UPDATING THAT, TODAY, EVERY SINGLE STATE ALLOWS YOU TO CHECK YOUR REGISTRATION ONLINE, JUST SAY, CHECK MY REGISTRATION ONLINE, GOING TO GOOGLE OR WHATEVER AND YOU CAN GET IT.

BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS GET THE REPORTS THAT WE ARE DOING AND THE FILMS THAT WE ARE DOING AND WHAT WE WILL BE DOING IN GEORGIA AND OTHER STATES, WE'RE GOING TO FLORIDA.

GO TO GREGPALAST.COM,YOU WILL HAVE SEVERAL OF THOSE PURGE LISTS UP AND YOU CAN CHECK YOURSELF.

BUT YOU KNOW KEEP ABREAST OF THE REPORTS, SIGN UP, GET THE WORD AROUND, LET PEOPLE KNOW YOU GOT TO PROTECT YOUR VOTE.

DON'T WAIT UNTIL ELECTION DAY TO FIND OUT THAT YOU CAN'T VOTE, BETTER CHECK YOUR REGISTRATION RIGHT NOW.

>>LORENE: LOOK WHAT I FOUND IN MY ARCHIVES FROM 2008, STEAL BACK YOUR VOTE, YOU AND ROBERT KENNEDY JR. AND SO I NEED TO GET TO SOMETHING REALLY HARD AND REALLY DEEP AND THAT IS THE BIG LIE.

SO THE GOP AS THEY ARE MAKING ALL THESE VOTER INTEGRITY BILLS THEY CALL THEM, IT IS BECAUSE OF THE VOTER FRAUD AND THAT THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN.

>>GREG: YES.

>>LORENE: AND NOW AS A NATION WE ARE FACED WITH DISCONSONANT REALTIES.

SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE ONE REALITY IS TRUE AND THE OTHER ONES BELIEVE THE OTHER IS TRUE.

HOW CAN WE EVER SEE WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON, HOW CAN WE FIGHT THE BIG LIE?

>>GREG: WELL TWO THINGS.

NUMBER ONE, THE BIG LIE NEEDS THE BIG TRUTH.

IT IS VERY SIMPLE, I ALWAYS ASK THEM THE SAME QUESTIONS, IF SOMEONE IS VOTING ILLEGALLY AND YOU BELIEVE, REMEMBER IF THE VOTE IS WRONG YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT MILLIONS OF PEOPLE VOTING ILLEGALLY.

CAN YOU SHOW ME ONE AND LET'S ARREST THEM, IT IS A FEDERAL CRIME, IT IS A FELONY CRIME IN EVERY STATE, IT'S FIVE YEARS IN THE CAN, LET'S ARREST THEM.

IF YOU HAVE GOT A FOREIGNER VOTING IN OUR ELECTIONS, ARREST THEM, YOU HAVE GOT THEIR NAMES AND ADDRESSES, IT IS NOT THAT DIFFICULT.

>>LORENE: YEAH.

>>GREG: AND YOU KNOW I FIND THE PEOPLE.

THEY GIVE ME THESE LISTS, OH HERE'S PEOPLE VOTING TWICE, I FIND THEM AND GO TO THEIR HOUSE.

WELL, MY NAME IS DAVID KIM, MY NAME IS JOHN BLACK, MY NAME IS JOSE GARCIA AND SO NO THAT IS A DIFFERENT JOSE GARCIA.

IF I CAN FIND THEM, WHY CAN'T THE FBI, WHY CAN'T THE STATES FIND THEM AND ARREST THEM?

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, THE REASON THEY DON'T ARREST THEM IS BECAUSE THESE ILLEGAL VOTERS DON'T EXIST, AND THIS IS A BIG PROBLEM.

SO IT IS A CON, THAT IS THE BIG LIE.

BUT YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS.

THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH OUR ELECTIONS CALLED VOTE SUPPRESSION WHEN THEY STOP PEOPLE FROM VOTING, AND THEY STOP COUNTING THE VOTES, AND THEY CHALLENGE VOTES.

WE HAVE A GROUP OUT OF TEXAS BY THE WAY THAT HAS JUST CHALLENGED, READY, 364,000 GEORGIA VOTERS, THIS IS A GROUP OUT OF TEXAS.

THEY SAID THAT THE PEOPLE DON'T LIVE IN GEORGIA ANYMORE.

THEY ARE IN TEXAS, I LOOKED AT THEIR LIST AND I JUST SPOKE TO A WOMAN WHO SAYS, "I HAVEN'T MOVED ANYWHERE, WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT?"

I SAID, WELL YOU KNOW THEY JUST CHALLENGED YOUR VOTE AND SO IF YOU MAIL IN YOUR VOTE AND THEY CHALLENGE YOU THEY WON'T COUNT YOUR VOTE.

THIS IS THE KIND OF TERRIBLE GAME AND THAT LIE AS YOU SAY THE BIG LIE IS HAPPENING IN STATE AFTER STATE AFTER STATE AND WE JUST HAVE TO STAY THE JAUNT AND TELL THE BIG TRUTH.

>>LORENE: WELL YOU ARE AN AGENT OF THAT BIG TRUTH AND I WANT YOU TO TELL PEOPLE HOW THEY CAN FIND OUT MORE.

I URGE PEOPLE TO SUBSCRIBE, YOU HAVE A NEWSLETTER THAT COMES OUT AND VERY WELL WRITTEN, YOU HAVE A WAY TO GRAB PEOPLE'S ATTENTION.

>>GREG: THANK YOU.

PLUS IT'S FREE.

>>LORENE: SO, YEAH.

>>GREG: GO TO GREGPALAST.COM AND SIGN UP OR CATCH ME ON TWITTER AND FACEBOOK, IN OTHER WORDS CHECK OUT GREG PALAST AND KEEP ABREAST OF WHAT WE ARE DOING.

WE ARE GOING TO BE PUTTING OUT FILMS AND WE WORK WITH AS YOU KNOW LEONARD DICAPRIO PUT OUT OUR REPORTS AND FILM FROM GEORGIA AND WE HAVE SOME GREAT PEOPLE WORKING WITH US.

AND, OF COURSE, ORGANIZATIONS LIKE ACLU, BLACK VOTERS MATTER, JESSIE JACKSON AND RAINBOW PUSH, NAACP'S PEOPLE HAVE BEEN IN THERE AND, OF COURSE, VERIFY GEORGIA.

ALL THESE GOOD GROUPS, THERE ARE REALLY GOOD PEOPLE OUT THERE, HEY, TAKE ON THE ISSUE YOURSELF.

YOU KNOW I DID INVESTIGATIONS OF VOTE SHENANIGANS IN NEW MEXICO AND I HATE TO SAY IT, A COUPLE OF DEMOCRATS WERE INVOLVED IN THOSE SHENANIGANS.

SO HEY IT IS A BI-PARTISAN GAME, RIGHT NOW THE GOP'S USES MORE SOPHISTICATED TECHNIQUES BUT EVERYONE PLAYS THIS GAME.

LET'S NOT HAVE A GAME, LET'S HAVE A DEMOCRACY INSTEAD.

>>LORENE: GREAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OUR GUEST TODAY IS GREG PALAST, AUTHOR OF THE BEST DEMOCRACY MONEY CAN BUY.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE, WE WILL HAVE TO REVISIT THE NEW MEXICO ISSUES YOU TALKED ABOUT BECAUSE YOU USED TO LIVE HERE, WE HAVE MANY OTHER THINGS TO TALK ABOUT.

THANK YOU FOR SETTING ME STRAIGHT ABOUT THIS MOVEMENT OF VOTER SUPPRESSION, GREG PALAST, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY.

>>LORENE: AND I AM LORENE MILLS.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU OUR AUDIENCE FOR BEING WITH US TODAY ON REPORT FROM SANTA FE .

>>ANNOUNCER: REPORT FROM SANTA FE IS MADE POSSIBLE, IN PART, BY GRANTS FROM THE NATIONAL EDUCATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF NEW MEXICO, AN ORGANIZATION OF PROFESSIONALS WHO BELIEVE THAT INVESTING IN PUBLIC EDUCATION IS AN INVESTMENT IN OUR STATE'S ECONOMIC FUTURE, FROM THE NEW MEXICO MUNICIPAL LEAGUE, A BETTER NEW MEXICO THROUGH BETTER CITIES AND FROM