>> IN THE WAKE OF THE JANUARY 6th ATTACK TON THE U.S. CAPITOL, GRAND VAMLY STATE UNIVERSITY LEADERS , PAST AND PRESENCE, IN CONGESTION THE SEN FOR PRESIDENTIAL STUDIES AND THE GERALD R. FORD FOUNDATION ARE CONDUCTING A SERIES OF EVENTS PROVIDING A ROAD MAKEMAP FOR HEALING ANALYTICAL UNDERSTANDING.

FIRST PLOSION,ED THE U.S. CONSTITUTION.

TODAY, WGVU NEWSMAKERS PRESENTS THE SECOND GVSU PRESIDENTIAL ROUND TABLE ELECTIONS.

PBS NEWS HOUR AND NEW YORK TIMES JOIN GRAND VALLEY STATE UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT AND FORMER PRESIDENT DR. THOMAS HAAS ALONG WITH FORMER PRESIDENT MARK MURRAY LEADING OFF THE DISCUSSION.

>> I WILL OFFER A FIRST QUESTION.

WILL OFFER TO YOU, YOU WERE THERE AT THE CAPITOL.

YOU MENTIONED THE MOB.

THERE REALLY IS DEEP DIVISIONS IN THE COUNTRY AT THIS POINT.

AM CURIOUS YOUR PERSPECTIVE YOUR PERSPECTIVE, YOU HAVE BEEN WITH MAINSTREAM JOURNALISM.

THEM ARE LOTS OF NEW CHANNELS OF INFORMATION, WHICH SEEM TO SOME DEGREE BUILDING UP OUR DIVISIONS.

PEOPLE LIVING IN THEIR OWN ECO CHAMBERS.

I AM CURIOUS THE REFLECTION ON THAT A LITTLE BIT.

REMEMBER THE FRONT LINE DID A PIECE ON FACEBOOK AND THE NEED TO KIND OF KEEP PEOPLE AGITATED.

KEEP THEM COMING BACK.

I CALL IT CLICK BAIT.

I AM CURIOUS YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THAT AND THEN, WE HAVE I I HOPE PERSPECTIVE JOURNALISTS, STUDENTS LISTENING TO THIS.

HOW DO YOU MANAGE PROFESSIONALLY TO KEEP ON THE TRACK OF STAYING UNITED WITH FACT AND WITH REASON AS OPPOSED TO SOME OF THE FULL DIVISION THAT IS JUST TOO MUCH PART OF THE CURRENT COMMUNITY.

>> , THOSE ARE EXCELLENT QUOS.

I THINK IN TERMS OF HOW TO STAY OBJECTIVE, HOW TO KEEP COVERING THIS, YEAH.

I THINK THE MORE EXPERIENCE YOU HAVE AS A JOURNALIST.

THE BETTER IT SERVES YOU IN THE TIME.

THE LAST FOUR YEARS WERE AN INCREDIBLE CHALLENGE FOR ANYONE FOLLOWING POLITICS.

I HAD CERTAINLY BEEN UNDER ATTACK AS A JOURNALIST BEFORE PRESIDENT TRUMP CAME TO OFFICE.

YOU HAD BEEN AT RALLIES, CAMPAIGN EVENTS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE THROWN THINGS AT ME NOT KNOWING AS JOURNALIST STANDING THERE AND GOT MUCH MORE, MUCH MORE CHALLENGING AND MUCH MORE, I THINK, OPEN, TRANSPARENT, THAT WAS ATTACK ON JOURNALISM ITSELF.

THINK THAT FOR US, THE MORE EXPERIENCE YOU HAD DOING THAT AND YOU HAVE TO STAY STUDY AND KEEP YOUR EYES FOCUSED ON THE TRUTH AND NOT BE DISTRACTED AND I THINK THAT SPEAKS TO YOUR OTHER QUESTION WHICH IS THE RISE OF SPLINTERED MEDIA, YOU COULD CALL IT.

MEDIA THAT IS TRYING TO GAIN VIEWERS BY SOMETIMES STOKING SENSATIONALISM.

SOMETIMES STOKING CONSPIRACIES.

WE HAVE THIS IN THIS THE TRUMP ERA.

IT IS REALLY AN EXPRESSION OF SOMETHING THAT WAS HAPPENING IN CABLE NEWS ALREADY, SOMETHING THAT WAS HAPPENING ON FOX NEW, AND WE SEE, I HAVE TO SAY, THINK THAT TV NEWS ESPECIALLY CABLE NEWS IS PROBABLY BEEN ADD THE MOST IN THE MEDIA WORLD I THINK WE SAW ACROSS THE DIFFERENT OUTLETS GAINING RATINGS AND TAKING A POSITION THAT WAS ETH ARE ATTACKING OR DEFENDING AND THEN AGAIN, YOU CAN DEBATE WHY THAT WAS AND IF THAT WAS VALUABLE OR NOT VALUABLE.

ONE OF THE OUTCOMES OF THAT WAS THAT AMERICANS THEMSELVES STARTED PICKING NEWS OUTLETS LIKE THEY WERE PICKING TEAMS AND BECAME VERY INSENSITIVE ABOUT THAT.

LIKE PBS TRIES TO STAY OUT OF THAT A LITTLE BIT.

THINK YOU CANNOT DENY THAT ALL THE THINGS ARE INTERTWINED WITH WITH OUTLETS MORE ON THE END OF THE SPECTRUM, MORE FRINGE OUTLET, WHICH ARE PUTTING OUT CONSPIRACY THEORIES THAT SEEM UNBELIEVABLE TO MOST AMERICANS, THAT PUTS THE MIDDLE OF THE SPECTRUM ON MEDIA AND PLACES WE THINK OF MORE MAINSTREAM, SOMETIMES ALSO PUTTING OUT CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

MAYBE NOT AS WILD BUT BUT BY COMPARISONS GOING IN THE WILD UNHINGED DIRECTION.

THE MAINSTREAM WAS ALSO ABLE TO SOMETIMES BE UNTETHERED.

THINK THAT I THAT THAT CERTAINLY INCREASED PROBLEMS.

BUT YOU KNOW, CHICKEN AND EGG WITH A, WAS IT BECAUSE OF ISSUES WITH AMERICANS THEMSELVES?

OR WAS THIS IS THE MEDIA.

I THINK BOTH PLAYED TOGETHER.

>> AD TODAY LISA'S REMARKS.

A YEAH.

SELF SELECT CONFIRMING A HUGE PROBLEM.

SOMEONE IN GEORGIA DEALING WITH COMPLETELY DIFFERENT REALITY AMONG VOTERS AND AMONG SOME DID NOT BELIEVE THAT JOE BIDEN GOT MORE VOTE, RIGHT BASELINED THINGS THAT THIS IS STARTING POINT AND HAVE THAT WE SAY WE DO THAT WE GOVERNED THE RULES.

THAT IS A HUGE CHALLENGE.

THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR JOURNALISTS TO KEEP OUR EYE ON THE BALL.

AND NOT ALWAYS NECESSARILY KNOW THE BAFFLE NEUTRALITY OR POSITIONING OURSELVES RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF BOTH PARTIES BUT I THINK, I THINK ISSUES LIKE FAIRNESS, TRANSPARENCY, BEING OPEN WITH READERS AND FOLKS WE ARE TALKING TO YOU DON'T WANT TO ADD AND LET ON THE FRINGE PULL YOU OUT BUT I THINK THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO INFORM BUT ALSO TO INDICT SOMETIMES TO SAY THIS IS NOT TRUE.

TO SAY PUT THINGS IN CONTEXT WE KNOW THAT MAY PUT FOLKS OUTMENT WE HAVE TO COME AROUND TO A LEVEL OF COMFORT THAT YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE GOING TO BE.

IF THE NEW REALITY IS A POLITICS THAT IS, THAT IS ADMIRED IN CONSPIRACY THEORY OR IN A WEB OF KIND OF UNTRUTHS, I THINK WE HAVE TO FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE BEING OPENLY RESISTANT TO THAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, OUR EYE, WHEN WE WE MEAN CONTEXT I DON'T THAT I MEANS BEING UNFAIR AND TIED AND TIED TO ONE ABOUT THE SPECTRUM.

THIS IS TRUE.

THIS IS TRUE.

THIS IS NOT TRUE.

HERE IS HOW WE CAME TOLL THAT CONCLUSION INPUTTING THAT IN FRONT READERS TO SAY THIS FEELS WITHIN OUR BOUNDARIES OF TRANSPARENCY OF FAIRNESS BUT ALSO BEING CLEAR THE SAME TIME.

>> HELPING YOU ALL HERE AND APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY OF LISTENING AND LEARNING TO YOU.

AS WE SAID, WE DO HAVE JOURNALISTS HERES WITH US TONIGHT AS WELL.

AS WINNING AD TO DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS EVER WHAT I HEARD HERE.

HOW DO YOU IN SHORE THE INTEGRITY OR THE TRUTH OF YOUR WORK ESPECIALLY IN THESE TIMES WHERE THERE IS SO MUCH DISTRUST IN OUR NEWS REPORTING.

I GUESS I WILL START.

I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT IS A HUGE QUESTION, AND TO ME, I THINK, THAT TO FOLKS TRUST.

WHETHER YOU ARE DOING IT IN PERSON.

TRYING TO GET THEM TO BE OPEN AND HONEST WITH IN INTERVIEW SETTING OR YOU WANT SOMEONE TO TRUST THE REPORT THAT YOU ARE PUTTING OUT, THE STORY YOU ARE BUT ARE PUTTING OUT.

THINK YOU NEED TO PROVE YOUR INTENTIONS, PROVE YOU ARE GOOD FAITH NAY SURE.

MATIER.

I TALKED TO FOLKS FROM WOOD STOCK THE WOODSTOCK OF TRUMP FANS THAT IS SOMETHING THAT UNITES BOTH OF THOSE GROUPS.

THERE IS INITIAL SPECKCISM.

THAT CAN CROM THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT.

AND I THINK THAT IS BECAUSE I THINK WE SHOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THERE HAS BEEN REAL HARM AND REAL, THAT BLEED HAS DONE TO SOME OF THESE COMMUNITIES.

THERE ALSO HAS BEEN, I HI, AN UNWILLINGNESS, AN UNLISTENNESS FOR US TO KIND OF BE FULLY TRANSPARENT AND OPEN WHAT I THINK READERS WITH HOW THE PROCESS HAPPENS, THEN, WHAT THEY CAN COME TO EXPECT FROM OUR LIKELIHOOD OF COMMITMENT TO ACCURACY AND RIGOR.

SO I THINK BEING AS TRANSPARENT AS POZZABLE WHETHER PERSONALLY WHEN TAKE TO SOMEONE OR THE STORE SAY HOW YOU REA REACHED THIS.

SAY WHY THIS SOURCE IS ANONYMOUS.

THINK IF YOU TAKE FOLKS DUG THREE STEPS I STILL FIND PEOPLE WILLING TO TAKE THOSE, TO TRUST THE PAPER.

THINK YOU ALSO NEED TO BUILD THE ARGUMENT OVER TIME.

YOU KNOW?

YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, NEW PERSON.

IF DO YOU THAT WELL, THEY WILL DOLL THAT TO SOMEONE ELSE HOPEFULLY.

ALL RIGHT.

THE SAME CAN BE STAINED STORY, TOO.

IF YOU PUT ENOUGH, THINK, I THINK, IF YOU PUT ENOUGH INTO SOMETHING THAT FOLKS THEN COME TO KNOW THE LINE YOU TAKE THIS SER LOYS.

HOPEFULLY THE NEXT STORY.

THE NEXT STORY WILL DOLL THAT SAME TYPE OF WORK AND YOU WANT TO BUILD THAT ARGUMENT OVER TIME.

THE PEOPLE WHO COME TO TRUST YOU.

NOT ONLY TO BE FAIR AND ACCURATE.

BUT ALSO TO KIND OF CUT THROUGH THE NOISE WHICH I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF IN THIS POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT.

>> YEAH.

I AGREE.

TRANSPARENCIES THE RIGHT WORD.

I THINK IN ADDITION TO THAT.

WE HAVE TO REALLY MAKE MUCH MORE EVER, I THINK WE'RE DOING THIS NOW TO SHOW THAT WE'RE LISTENING TO EVERYONE AND I THINK IT IS EASY FOR IN THE MEDIA TO THINK, WE'RE TELLING THIS STORY.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS -- AND I THINK, FOR A LONG TIME, IT HAS BEEN GROWING THAT AMERICANS HAVE MISTRUSTED THE MEDIA BECAUSE MAYBE THEY THINK THE MEDIA BELIEVES IT IS IN CHARGE OF THE NARRATIVE.

YOU KNOW?

AND I THINK WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO LET AMERICAN VOICES SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, YOU KNOW, TO SHOW AMERICANS WE ARE GOING TO LISTEN TO THEM.

THAT HAS TO MEAN A MUCH WIDER GROUP AND WIDER SELECTIONS OF STORIES THAT WE HAVE DONE BEFO BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THINK THINK BOTH OF THE NEW YORK TIME AND PBS.

WE DO A LOT OF STORIES, YOU KNOW.

I THINK WE ARE PUTTING IN NEWSROOM THAM THOUGHT OF SEMS AS ING CLUESIVE, THOUGHT OF THEMSELVES AS TRYING TO LOOK EVERYWHERE FOR STORIES THEN I KNOW THAT, WE HAVE MISSED A LOT.

THINK THINK WE HAVE BEEN, WE HAD BLINDERS ON.

THINK WE ALL NEED TO AS PART OF TRANSPARENCY ANG I THINK IT HELPS TO ADMIT WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF BETTER WHEN YOU SEE YOUR OWN FLAWS WHICH IS A CONVERSATION THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE HAVING IN THE MEDIA RIGHT NOW.

THINK THE MORE THAT YOU CAN FIND PEOPLE'S OWN VOICES, AND ESPECIALLY STORIES THAT ARE NOT GETTING TOLD.

KIND OF CLICHE TO SAY THAT.

THINK WE ARE DOING A BETTER JOB NOW AND STARTING TO LOOK IN OTHER PLACES THAN WE WERE BEFORE IN A THINK THAT HELPS WITH THE TRUST.

THAT INCLUDES CONSERVATIVE VOICE, LIBERAL VOICE, ALL OF IT.

>> THANK YOU, LISA.

>> YEAH.

YEAH.

I WAS WONDERING FROM BOTH OF YOU.

AND THIS TIME WHEN WE HAVE SO MUCH, SO MUCH NOISE, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU EVALUATE YOUR MOST RELIABLE SOURCES.

AND DO YOU TEND TON GO BACK TO THE SAME PEOPLE OR DO YOU CONSTANTLY FIND NEW PEOPLE TO CONSULT AND ASK.

THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, IT HAS BEEN MORE CHALLENGE, OF COURSE, IN THE CORONAVIRUS, BECAUSE TWO DON'T HAVE FACE-TO-FACE INTERACTIONS WITH THE SOURCES ANY MORE.

THAT TELLS YOU A LOT.

THAT HELPS WITH SOURCE RELATIONSHIPS BUT WE CANNOT ALWAYS DO THAT ANY MORE.

I THINK PART OF THE JOB, YOU HAVE TO CONSTANTLY SOURCE FILL, PART OF THE ROBB, THINK THINK, FOR BOTH OF US, THAT THE HOST THIS YEARS HAVE BEEN JUST A SPRINT, EVERYDAY, KNOW, 18-HOUR DAYS, FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS, AND MONTHS, YOU HAVE, IT IS HARD TO BUILD NEW SOURCES BUT EVEN JUST, IT IS NIN.

WE HAVE FINALLY REACHED A MOMENT WHERE JUST LAST WEEK, I STARTED MY LIST OF WHO, WHO DO I NEED, WHERE DO I NEED TO SOURCE BUILD.

I JUST THIS WEEK STARTED TO PUSH OUT AND TALK TO THE NEW SOURCE, WHO DO YOU TRUST?

YOU KNOW, I GO BY THE AGE OLD ADAGE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T TRUST YOUR MOTHER.

YOU CANNOT TRUST ANYONE.

BUT I THINK, THAT ARE SOME SOURCES THAT YOU KNOW, THAT YOU RELY ON BECAUSE THEY HAVE BIFF IN YOU GOOD INFORMATION IN THE PAST, AND, AND YOU HAVE TO, YOU TO GO THEM.

ESPECIALLY IN A TOWN IN WASHINGTON WHERE FEWER AND FEWER PEOPLE IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATIONWAY INTO WAS GOING ON.

THERE WERE FEW SOURCES THAT HAVE GOOD INFORMATION.

SO IT WAS DIFFICULT.

>> YEAH.

CITY THIS THAT THAT IS CERTAIN LAY PART OF IT.

YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME, WHO ARE DOING, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE WASHINGTON, KIND OF, THE IMPACT OF POLITICS, YOU WANT TO SORT OF TALK TO PEOPLE WHO, I THINK, SEE THINGS BEFORE OTHER PEOPLE, WHO THOUGH THE TENSION POINTS, WHO I HI, THAT COMES A LOT.

THINK I THE INDUSTRY IS TALKING NOW MORE ABOUT THE NEED FOR DIVERSITY OF SOURCES, THAT YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO BE COMPLETELY RELIANT ON ONE PERSON, ONE GROUP, ONE TRAIN OF THOUGHT, THAT YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO LOTS OF DIFFERENT FOLKS HERE THAT ARE ABLE TO KIND OF SEE THROUGH MAYBE WHAT YOU KNOW, ONE PERSON KNOWS, ONE PERSON DON'T KNOW IN A REAL COMBINATION,S THE PLACE IN THE MIDDLE.

I LO, WE, OUR TEAM, YOU KNOW, I WE TRY TO THINK A LOT ABOUT CONNECTING DOTS BEFORE OTHER FOLKS DO.

WE HAVE GREAT TEAM WHO WILL KNOW THE PIECES OF INFORMATION AND WHATTED BY OPINION IS DOING TODAY.

I THINK THAT REAL VALUE ADD AND TO BE TALKING TO FOLK INTERESTS THE BOTTOM UP.

WHAT IS WASHINGTON NOT KNOW THAT IS OUT THERE IN THE COUNTY THAT FOLKS ARE TRYING TO GET TO THEM.

THINK THAT IS THE KIND OF THINGS THAT I ALSO THINK ABOUT IS WHER WHERE, AND I THINK THAT COMES IN READING, AND, LOCAL NEWS THAT IS HAPPENING OUT ELSEWHERE ABOUT THE IMPACTS OF POLICY THAT COMES WITH, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY GROUPS OR POLITICAL GROUPS WHO TRACK THIS STUFF AND THEN, MAY KNOW THAT SOMETHING IS EFFECTING THEM MORE.

THAT IS CERTAINLY CHANGED WITH THE VIRUS.

SOMEONE WHO IS ON THE ROAD, YOU CANNOT HAVE THOSE IN PERSON MEETINGS BUT YOU COULD GO, HEY, YOU KNOW, I YOU ARE MORE RELIANT ON LOCAL OFFICIALS, AND TO TRY TO POINT YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

YOU ARE MORE RELIANT ON WORK THINGS OVER THE PHONE, THAT IS IN NOT A PERFECT THING.

THAT IS CERTAINLY GOING TO HAVE FOLKS FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS, I THINK THAT LEVEL OF EFFORT AND INTENTION HAS TO BE KIND OF TOP OF MIND, OTHERWISE, YOU WITH R GOING TO FALL INTO THE SAME TYPE OF THINKING.

I THINK THAT CAG BE A PLAY PLINT CALL REPORTING.

IN A THINK THAT YOU KNOW, IF NOTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THIS THINGS OF 2016 ELECTION TAUGHT US.

WE CANNOT BE RELY AND ON THAT CONVENTIONAL THOUGHT.

WE HAVE TO BREAK THROUGH.

WE HAVE TO LOOK ELSEWHERE FOR PEOPLE, FOR PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT BE WITHIN OUR NORMAL SOURCE COMMUNITY.

I DO THINK THAT THE INDUSTRY IS DOING A BETTER JOB AT THAT.

IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, THEN, WE SAY BEFORE THAT.

>> OK. WE ARE GOING TO START ON THE AUDIENCE QUESTION.

THEN, WE'LL START WITH YOU.

WILL TAKE THESE IN ORDER EARN SKIP THOSE WHERE COMMENTS MAY HAVE GIVEN AND OFFERED US IN SIGHT.

THE FIRST IS CAN YOU ADRELS THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE IT IF IT HAD IMPACT ON THE CHALLENGES WE'RE EXPERIENCING AND IT IS FOR BOTH OF YOU.

I GUESS, I CAN KICK IT OFF AT THE BROADCASTER HERE.

YEAH.

[LAUGHTER] >> I GOT YOU.

EXACTLY.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

SURE.

THERE IS, THERE REMAINS DISCUSS WHERE THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE WATCHING MAY REALIZE IS MOST WELL-KNOWN AND AS THE CONCEPT THAT ONE POINT OF VIEW, THAT BROADCAST KERRS MUST BROADCAST, POINTS OF VIEW IN EQUAL MEASURE.

THAT IS WHY I WAS INTERPRETED AS THE IDEA THAT, FOR A MINUTE, FOR REPUBLICAN THOUGHT, DEMOCRATIC THOUGHT, WAY OVER SIMPLIFYING THAT THAT IS THE GENERAL IDEA AND BUT, DURING THE REAGAN ERA, THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE WAS DISSOLVED EVENTUALLY, AND MANY PEOPLE HAVE IN HINDSIGHT POINTED TO THAT AS TO WHAT LED TO THE RISE OF FOX NEWS, LEAD TO RISE OF RUSH LIMBAUGH, THEY ARE RIGHT ABOUT RUSH LIMBAUGH, BUT SOMETHING UNDERSTAND ONLY APPLIES TO BROADCAST AIRWAVES DID NOT APPLY TO CABLE TELEVISION.

SO THIS BRINGS US TO MODERN DAY.

ANDEN THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO SAY, HE NEED NEED NEW FAIRNESS DOCTRINE THERE ARE, SO THAT ANY NEWS OUTSET, WHATEVER IT IS, IT MUST BROADCAST VIEWS IN EQUAL MEASURE.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT SOME DEMOCRATS THINK IS A GOOD IDEA.

BUT THEY, THEY DON'T ARE HAVE THE VOTES.

THEY DON'T HAVE THE VOTE FOR.

IT WOULD HAVE A LOT OF COMPLICATED EFFECTS PHONESLY AND WOULD YOU HAVE TO VOTE TO INCLUDE CABLE NEWS, WHICH IS NOT IN THE ORIGINAL FAIRNESS DOCTRINE.

BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT THAT I KNOW SOME DEMOCRATS CONTINUE TO TALK BUT.

DONE IT THINK THEY ARE CLOSE TO DOING IT.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS WORTH DISCUSSING.

A CAN YOU GIVE US SOME ADVICE FOR OUR STUDENT JOURNALISTS.

SNEAK STUDENTS NOW, BOTH OF YOU.

WHAT IS YOUR, YOU KNOW, THE ONE PIECE OF ADVICE YOU WANT THEM TO HAVE?

>> YEAH.

I CITY THIS, I THINK, I CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, I AM YOUNG.

I GRADUATED COLLEGE IN 2015, SO, I IMMEDIATELY WENT TO THE "BOSTON GLOBE" AND HAD NATH BROUGHT ME HERE.

BUT I THINK THAT EVEN IN THAT TIME WAY WAS NOT PARTICULARLY INVOLVED, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE IS A BETTER JOURNALISTS THAN I WAS.

I DO THINK THAT THERE IS MY PIECE ADVICE WOULD BE TO IN VEST IN KNOWLEDGE AREA OR A TOPIC, THAT YOU CAN GET BETTER AT THE KIND OF MECHANIC OF JOURNALISM.

RIGHT.

I YOU CAN GET BETTER AT REVISE, DOING THAT TYPE OF WORK, THE BIGGEST GROWTH POINT FROM IN SCHOOL TO OUT OF SCHOOLS THE TYPE OF COME-S THAT YOU NEED TO BE COMFORTABLE AROUND TO SOURCE, THE TYPE OF, THE TYPE OF DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT, THAT YOU ARE GOING TO RUN INTO AND I JUST THINK THAT COLLEGE WAS BUBBLE THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY THE BIGGEST, THE BIGGEST THING TO GROW AT.

MAKING SURE YOU WERE, WERE KIND OF PREPARED AS FULL HUMAN AND TO DO THIS STUFF THE WORK THAT I THINK JOURNALISTS NEED DO.

THE FIRST YEAR AND A HALF.

IT WAS "THE BOSTON GLOBE"'S CRIME AND GENERAL ASSIGNMENT REPORTERS AND GOING TO MURDER, FIRES, OVERDOSE, THINGS LIKE THAT DAILY.

WAS SUCH AN EDUCATION AND JUST, YOU KNOW, THE REAL INTENSE, FO, THE INTENSITY OF FOLKS' LIVES.

WE WERE COME THOUGH WORST DAVE THE LIFE DAVE.

THINK I AS JOURNAL ITHS, YOU IMMEDIATE TO BE READY FOR THAT.

YOU NEED TO REALLY TAKE PRIDE AND TELLING FOLKS STORIES EVEN IN THE SITUATIONS AND I THINK ONCE YOU KIND OF GET A COMFORT IN DOING THAT.

YOU CAN MAKE UP ALL THE OTHER STEPS, SO YOU KNOW, WHETHER IF YOU WANT TO GOING ON POLITICAL JOURNALISM IF YOU WANT TO DO HEALTH OR SCIENCE OR OTHER JOURNALISM.

I WOULD SAY THAT KIND OF BASICS OF REPORTING ANG, AND MAKING SURE THAT ARE BUILDING OUT A KNOWLEDGE AREA THAT EVEN CHALLENGES THE COMMUNITIES THAT YOU MAY BE MOST COMFORTABLE AROUND WILL BE THE THING THAT BENEFITS YOU THE MOST.

YOU WANT TO BE A TYPE OF REPORTER WHO CAN GN TO ANY PLACE.

WHO CAN GO TO ANY COME ON IN THIS GET THE WORK DONE AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT YOU KNOW.

I THINK THAT'S THE PLACE WHERE I KNEW I NEEDED TO DO THE MOST GROWTH FROM COLLEGE TO OUT OF COLLEGE.

>> THAT IS SUCH, THAT IS A GREAT PIECE AFFIDAVIT VICE.

IT IS DEAD ON.

YOU HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE BASE AND I THINK TO THAT, I WOULD ASK, I WOULD ADD, SOMETHING THAT I THINK WHEN I SEE, YOUNGER JOURNALISTS RISE AND STUDENTS YOU COME TOLL NEWS HOUR, ONCE YOU RISE THE MOST QUICKLY.

YOU GOT RAISE YOUR HAND AND LEAN IN.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE, YOU LOOK AROUND YOU IN THE NEWSROOM, SEE WHAT OTHERS ARE DOING, THEN, ASK TO COLLABORATE WITH THEM.

YOU KNOW, DON'T WAIT FOR PEOPLE TO RETCH OUT TO YOU AND SAY, LOOK AT YOU.

YOU EVER SO TALENTED.

WANT TO RAISE UP.

NOW, THAT IS GREAT.

THAT SHOULD HAPPEN THIB NEWSROOM.

THAT IS, ME, AS MORE EXPERIENCED REPORTER.

I SHOULD BE DOING THAT.

YOU CANNOT COUNT ON THAT.

YOU NEED TO SHOW YOUR NEWSROOM, YOU ARE PROACTIVE.

BECAUSE ANY REPORTER, ALL YOU GOT IS HUSTLE.

SO YOU GOT SHOW THIS HUSTLE WITHIN THE NEWSROOM ALSO.

AND REACH OUT TO PEOPLE YOU FINAL THE PEOPLE WHOLE ARE GOING TO HEM YOU.

THE PEOPLE YOU COLLABORATE WITH.

KEEP PITCHING STORY IDEAS UNTIL YOU FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT.

WHAT THE NEWSROOM WANTS.

I TABS A YEAR OR TWOS TWO TO FIGURE OUT A NEWSROOM'S VIBE WHAN THE EDITORS WAN.

KEEP PITCHING AND PITCHING GET READY FOR A LOT OF NO'S.

BUP THEN, ANY NO YOU HAVE TO THINK.

THAT IS BUILDING UP AND THEY KNOW YOU ARE TRYING AND YOU GOT THE HUST THAT IT TAKES TO TAB JOURNALISTS TO KEEP RAISING YOUR HANDS AND KEEP JUST, KEEP TALKING TO EVERYONE AND ASKING TO COLLABORATE WITH ANYONE THAT YOU CAN.

THANKS.

SUCH GREAT AT VICE.

YOU BOTH GET UP THE MORNING.

YOU HAVE YOUR CUP OF COFFEE.

HOW DO YOU GET YOUR NEWS?

BE A OH, IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER CONGRESS IS IN SESSION OR NOT.

I DO -- WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS IN OFFICE, MY FIRST THING I DID WAS LOOK AT TWITTER.

LOOKED A AT THE TWITTER FEED IS THE FIRST THING I DID.

NO I AM GETTING TWITTER WITHDRAWAL.

I LIKE IT.

IT IS OK. NOW I HAVE HEALTHIER RELATIONSHIP WHERE THE FIRST DO IN THE IS I AM CHECKING MY E-MAIL AND THEN I AM READING, YOU KNOW, FOUR TO FIVE NEWSPAPERS, RIGHT AWAY, I AM SCANNING THE POLITICS SESSION, THE TIMES, WASHINGTON POST, PLITCO, I READED A COUPLE OF NEWSPAPERS, THE HILL, THEN, EVERY DAY, EVERY DAY, I READ ONE NEWSPAPER THAT IS NOT A WASHINGTON NEWSPAPER.

I HAVE ABOUT TWO DOZEN NEWSPAPERS ALL AROUND THE CON TRI, THAT I PARTICULARLY LOVE.

IN DIFFERENT STATES.

EVERYBODY DAY, I MAKE SURE THAT I AM READING SOME HEADLINES IN WYOMING.

LIKE FOR EXAMPLE THE WYOMING STATE SENATE IS WORK ON A VERY INTERESTING BILL ON GUNS, AND YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I READ ONE OF THEIR PAPERS, I KNEW THAT.

YOU MAKE SURE THAT DO THAT, BECAUSE WE HAVE A HERD MENTALLY TIN WASHINGTON, IT WINCE THING THAT HELP MESS.

I THINK THAT IS GREAT ADVICE.

YOU KNOW?

I THINK, I FEEL LIKE IT CAN BE OVERWHELMING SOMETIME ARE SOMETIMES.

MAIN, THERE IS SO MUCH.

THERE IS SO MANY NEWSLETTERS, YOU KNOW, BLOGS, YOU KNOW, TWITTER.

YOU CAN KIND OF FEEL.

I FEEL LIKE AT THIS POINT, I HAVE A CADENCE OF BOTH REPORTERS ELSEWHERE AND PAPERS ELSEWHERE, AND THAT I TRUST, AND THAT I, YOU KNOW, I AM CURE RATED LIST OF PEOPLE!

PEOPLE MORE SO THAN INSTITUTIONS THAN I FEEL LIKE ARE DOING WORK THAT KEEPS ME ON TOP OF THINGS AND THEN, AS I SAID.

I TRY MAKE SURE, THAT I AM READING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT, THAT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, WASHINGTON SPECIFIC.

YOU KNOW, DURING THE TRUMP ERA, I JOINED A TON OF VERY TRUMP PI FACE BOOK GROUPS AND PRIORITIZED THEM ALL ON THE NEWS FEED AND SO EVERY TIME, I LOG ON FACEBOOK.

IT WOULD LOOK AS IF I WAS REGULAR BASELINE TRUMP SUPPORTER.

I FOUND SO MANY THINGS THROUGH THAT.

WELL, THAT WOODSTOCK THAT I TOLD BUT WAS FROM JUST SEEING THAT, IN THAT KIND OF COMMUNITY CHATTER.

I TRY MAKE SURE THAT PARTICULARLY IN THIS AGE, BE WHERE SO MANY THINGS CAN BUBBLE UP THROUGH INTERNET OR ELSEWHERE, I THINK SOMETIMES TWITTER, THE FOX NEWS, TO BE THE LASTING STEP, NOT THE FIRST STEP, BUT I AM ALSO GOING TO BE ENGRAINED IN THOSE PLACES BUT I THINK IT CAN VERY OVERWHELMING AND SO I BASICALLY LIKE, WHEN I FIND THE STORERY OR A PERSON THAT I THINK IS DOING THE WORK ON THAT IN A WAY THAT I FIND IMPORTANT HE TEND TO LATCH TON PEOPLE BECAUSE THAT GIVES ME A SENSE OF COMFORT THAT I WON'T BE READING EVERY DAY I HAVE ENOUGH FOLKS THAT I WILL SAY WHEN YOU KNOW SOME STORIES WRAPPED UP.

YOU KNOW YOU CAN TOUCH ON EVERYTHING AND ALL OF THOSE WORLDS.

THANK YOU.

THE NOTION OF THE FOUR OF US OVER MANY GEN RATION OF SERVING THIS INSTITUTION IS SYMBOLIC OF KEEPING IT GOING THEY WERE AUTHENTIC AND AND IT WAS WONDERFUL THE WAY THE COMPLEXITY OF THE SYSTEMS MEDIA, POWER, WHAT IS TRUE.

IT ALL CAME INTO THE CONVERSATIONS.

SO START TONIGHT WAS JOURNALISM AT THE FINIST SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE WORK YOU DO EVERY DAY.

AT THE YORK SOMETIMES AND PBS AND SO GRATEFUL YOU JOINED US.

THANK FOR LETTING US JOIN THIS CONVERSATION ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪