>>> THE 2024 CAMPAIGN HOMESTRETCH HAS ARRIVED.

>>> WELCOME TO COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD.

LABO R DAY USUALLY MARKS THE START OF THE FINAL PHASE OF A PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.

IN REGULAR TIMES WE'VE HAD MORE THAN A YEAR OF PRIMARIES, PARTISAN DEBATES, CONVENTIONS.

THIS YEAR, LABOR DAY BASICALLY MARKS THE HALF WAY POINT BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE DID NOT EMERGE UNTIL SIX WEEKS AGO.

STILL, FOR KAMALA HARRIS AND DONALD TRUMP, THIS IS CRUNCH TIME AND THE FIRST BIG CHALLENGE COMES TUESDAY NIGHT WITH THE FIRST TRUMP-HARRIS DEBATE.

WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE FIRST DEBATE WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN.

DERRICK CLAY, WHAT ARE YOU >> THIS IS A BIG TEST FOR THE KAMALA HARRIS CAMPAIGN.

YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY I THINK SHE WILL DO VERY WELL AND SHE WILL OUT DEBATE THE FORMER PRESIDENT.

AT THE SAME TIME, THE TONE OF EVERYTHING HAS TO BE JUST RIGHT.

DEPENDING ON WHAT IS DISCUSSED SHE WILL BE TESTED ON HER RECORD NOT ONLY WHAT SHE'S CAMPAIGNING ON BUT WHAT SHE HAS BEEN A PART OF WITH THE BIDEN- HARRIS ADMINISTRATION.

>> THE EXPECTATIONS ARE PRETTY -- I DON'T KNOW HAVE TO DESCRIBE.

SHE HAS TO DO BETTER THAN JOE BIDEN WHICH WON'T BE HARD TO DO, HIS FIRST DEBATE, BUT COULD EXPECTATIONS BE SO HIGH BECAUSE HE DID SO POORLY?

>> SHE WILL DEFINITELY DO BETTER THAN THE PRESIDENT DID IN THE DEBATE.

THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

THE QUESTION IS HOW BAD IS DONALD TRUMP GOING TO DO IN THE WE KNOW THAT SEVERAL TIMES WHEN HE'S ON CAMERA HE'S ALL OVER THE PLACE .

WE JUST SAW THAT LAST NIGHT WITH AN ANSWER THAT HE GAVE TO A BASIC ANSWER THAT HE GAVE TO WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO FOR CHILD CARE AND HE WAS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

>> WHAT DOES DONALD TRUMP HAVE TO DO IN THE DEBATE?

>> TRUMP JUST HAS TO BE TRUMP.

YOU TALK ABOUT HIM BEING ALL OVER THE PLACE AND EVERYBODY'S USED TO THAT.

I THINK WHAT WILL BE INTERESTING IS, IS KAMALA HARRIS GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT SHE'S ACTUALLY GOING TO DO?

IS SHE GOING TO TRY TO EXPLAIN ALL FLIP-FLOPS THAT SHE HAS.

I REMEMBER IN 2004 WITH JOHN KERRY THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HIM FLIP-FLOPPING.

THE LATEST I HEARD IS SHE NO LONGER IS IN SUPPORT OF BANNING PLASTIC STRAWS WHICH I GUESS SHE WAS AGAINST BACK IN 2019 AND SHE'S A READY FLIP ON THAT ONE.

I AM LOOKING FOR THE MODERATOR FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP TO GET HER TO ACTUALLY SAY WHAT SHE'S GOING TO DO IF SHE BECOMES PRESIDENT.

SO FAR SHE REALLY HASN'T GIVEN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE MUCH TO LOOK AT.

>> ANDREW, SHE HAD A BIG BOUNCE WHEN BIDEN DROPPED OUT AND SHE WAS THE PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE.

SINCE THE CONVENTION SHE HAS CLOSED THE GAP THAT BIDEN HAD WITH DONALD TRUMP, BUT THAT , SHE SORT OF PLATEAUED IN THE POLLS.

ARE VOTERS WAITING FOR THIS DEBATE BEFORE THEY GIVE A CANDIDATE AN EDGE GOING FORWARD?

>> I IMAGINE VOTERS ARE JUST TUNING IN AND STARTING TO SEE THE ADS.

I OFTEN THINK OF UNDECIDED VOTERS AS PEOPLE THAT DON'T FOLLOW POLITICS VERY CAREFULLY.

YOU AND I ARE ACUTELY AWARE BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE THINKING ABOUT OTHER STUFF.

THE DEBATE CERTAINLY CAN'T GET WORSE THAN IT DID FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN.

AS LONG AS SHE DOESN'T MAKE ANY MAJOR MISTAKES I DON'T THINK IT WILL HAVE A HUGE IMPACT.

SO MAYBE THERE'S MORE INTEREST THAN NORMALLY.

>> WHICH SHOULD BE MORE SPECIFIC ?

WITH THE INTERVIEW SHE DID LAST WEEK IT WAS PRETTY VAGUE.

I WANT TO DO BETTER, A NEW WAY FORWARD.

SHE DODGED THIS IS THICK -- SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED.

>> THE VICE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN VERY POISED.

IN HER INTERVIEW WITH CNN SHE WAS VERY POISED AND TALKED ABOUT THE ISSUES IMPORTANT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND I THINK SHE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT IN THE DEBATE NEXT WEEK.

>> WITH ALL THAT HAS HAPPENED, MEMORIAL DAY IS WHEN TRUMP WAS CONVICTED OF FRAUD.

WE HAVE HAD -- >> AND HE WAS SHOT AT.

>> WE HAVE THE DEBATE AND THE ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT AND BIDEN WITHDRAW AND HARRIS ELEVATION.

DO YOU THINK THIS HAS INTENSIFIED VOTER INTEREST OR HAS IT CAUSED VOTERS TO BECOME NUMB?

>> I'M NOT SURE BUT I'M STARTING TO THINK MAYBE THE SECOND THING.

I GO ON X AND THERE'S A LOT OF POLITICAL GUYS ON THERE.

ONE GUY THAT IS ON THERE IS LOOKING AT VOTER REGISTRATION GOING ON DURING AUGUST AND RIGHT NOW IN SEPTEMBER .

WHAT HE'S FINDING IS THAT OUT OF 15 STATES HE'S LOOKED AT, 14 OF THEM ARE NOT REGISTERING VOTERS AT THE SAME PACE THEY DID BACK IN 2020.

THAT TELLS ME SOMETHING.

PARTICIPATION IN THE PRIMARIES THIS YEAR WAS NOT GREAT.

IF YOU LOOK AT RIGHT TRACK WRONG TRACK WRONG TRACK IS THAT 70%.

I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE ARE GETTING BURNT OUT A READY OR WHAT.

>> DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION PUT US ON THE WRONG TRACK SO IT'S HARD TO DECIDE WHAT IT MEANS.

MOST OF THE POLLING UP UNTIL RECENTLY SHOWED SHERROD BROWN WITH A FIVE-POINT LEAD OVER BERNIE MARINO PICK THE LATEST POLL FROM EMERSON SHOWS THE RACE TIGHTENING A LITTLE BIT.

>> IT HEADED AT 46-44.

I ALWAYS LOOK AT THE NUMBER FOR THE INCUMBENT RELATIVE TO 50%.

IT IS NOT A GREAT NUMBER FOR BROWN.

YOU LOOK AT THE RACES AND THE REFERENDUM ON HIM.

BERNIE MARINO STILL HAS NOT GOTTEN THE AMOUNT THERE.

HE IS BASICALLY A NAME ON THE BALLOT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.

I GUESS IT IS BETTER FOR HIM TO BE LEADING.

HE IS STILL OUT RUNNING HARRIS WHICH IS WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO BUT WHAT IT SAYS TO ME AS IT CONTINUES TO SHOW THAT IF BROWN IS GOING TO WIN IT WILL BE VERY CLOSE.

>> THE AMOUNT THAT BROWN AND HIS SUPPORTERS HAVE SPENT ON ADS OVER THE LAST THREE OR FOUR MONTHS ONLY BEEN UP BY TWO OR >> WE KNEW THIS WOULD BE A TIGHT RACE GOING INTO THE ELECTIONS.

SENATOR BROWN HAS BEEN A TRUE CHAMPION FOR THE PEOPLE OF OHIO.

YOU KNOW, FOR BERNIE MARINO TO NOT HAVE GAINED AS MANY POINTS OPEN TO THIS POINT EVEN THOUGH HE'S GOT ADS ON TV IS A LITTLE BIT TELLING.

I DO NOT THINK THE MARGINS THE REPUBLICANS ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE GOING TO BE AS LARGE AS THEY CLAIM THEY ARE GOING TO BE.

TRUMP WON OHIO BY EIGHT POINTS .

>> HE IS STILL UP BY 10 EVEN WITH HARRIS.

>> I THINK HE WILL WIN SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10 AND 15% OF THE VOTE WHICH CAUSES SHERROD BROWN A PROBLEM.

HE HAS NEVER RUN IN A YEAR WHERE A REPUBLICAN WON OHIO WHETHER IT WAS PRESIDENT OR GOVERNOR BY OVER 10 POINTS.

THE WORST ELECTION HE EVER RAN IN STATEWIDE WAS BACK IN WHEN IT WAS THE GOVERNOR'S RACE BY FIVE POINTS.

HE COULD NOT EVEN OVERCOME THAT .

HE HAS A PROBLEM.

HE HAS TO GET A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND TRUMP VOTERS TO ALSO VOTE FOR HIM AND I THINK THAT WILL BE TOUGH.

>> LOOKING AT THE ISSUES THEY ARE FOCUSING ON, SHERROD BROWN HAS BEEN FOCUSING ON BERNIE MARINO'S CAREER , HIS BUSINESS AND NOT TREATING WORKERS CORRECTLY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS HAS NOT REALLY BEEN A PART OF HIS CAMPAIGN AT THE FOREFRONT.

AT THIS PHASE OF THE CAMPAIGN MIGHT HE BE HIGHLIGHTED NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR WITH THE ABORTION-RIGHTS ISSUE PASSING BY A WIDE MARGIN.

>> IT IS INTERESTING IN 2022 WHEN THAT ISSUE WAS LITTLE MORE POLITICALLY UNPROVEN.

HE SAW TIM RYAN TALK ABOUT IT IN MEDIA INTERVIEWS BUT HE WAS NOT BLASTING IT IN THE CAMPAIGN PLAYS, I DO NOT SEE WHY HE WOULD NOT LEAD ON THAT, BUT I THINK YOU TALK ABOUT TRYING TO DEFINE YOUR OPPONENT.

I THINK HE IS TRYING TO SAY YOU MAY NOT AGREE WITH ME ON EVERYTHING BUT YOU TRUST ME AND THE OTHER GUY YOU CAN'T.

I THINK IT IS MORE REPRESENTATIVE OF SHIFTING FROM DEFINE YOUR OPPONENT TO THE HOME STRETCH OF THE CAMPAIGN.

>> MORENO HAS CHANGED HIS POSITION FROM ANTIABORTION WITH NO EXCEPTIONS TWO YEARS AGO AND NOW HE'S IN FAVOR OF THE BAN AFTER 15 WEEKS WITH SOME EXCEPTIONS.

>> HE HAS ALSO SAID OHIO HAS ALREADY DECIDED THIS.

IT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING HE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT BECAUSE PEOPLE VOTED LAST YEAR AND IT IS SETTLED.

WITH THE DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO DO IS USE THAT AS ONCE THEY GET IN FEDERAL LAW THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO DO A FEDERAL BAN .

PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS ALREADY SAID HE REFUSES TO SIGN ANY KIND OF FEDERAL BAN.

NAN WHALEY USED IT IN THE FOREFRONT OF HER CAMPAIGN FOR GOVERNOR IN 2022.

SHE WAS RUNNING AGAINST MIKE DeWINE WHO SIGNED THE HEARTBEAT WILL.

IT DID NOT WORK WELL FOR HER.

RYAN STAYED AWAY FROM IT AND RAN MORE AS A REPUBLICAN .

WHILE HE LOST HE DID NOT LOSE BY AS MUCH.

>> THIS WILL BECOME FRONT AND CENTER THE LAST FEW WEEKS?

>> BERNIE MORENO ALREADY SAID HE'S IN SUPPORT OF A NATIONAL BAN .

HE SAID HE'S IN SUPPORT OF ABORTION WITH NO EXCEPTIONS.

SO WHERE'S THE FLIP-FLOP HER?

I THINK IT IS BERNIE MORENO.

THIS ISSUE WILL COME BACK AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE ELECTION.

YOU PROBABLY HAVE NOT HEARD A LOT ABOUT IT NOW WITH DIRECT CAMPAIGNING BUT AS WE GET CLOSER YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT WILL BE AT THE FOREFRONT.

>>> THE NEXT TOPIC, THE OHIO NOVEMBER BALLOT WILL FEATURE ONE BIG ISSUE.

ISSUE ONE, IN FACT, IT WOULD CHANGE THE WAY THE STATE DRAWS ITS LEGISLATIVE AND CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS.

THE AMENDMENT WOULD TAKE THE PROCESS AWAY FROM TOP ELECTED HANDS OF AN INDEPENDENT BI- PARTISAN COMMISSION WITH 15 MEMBERS.

FIVE DEMOCRATS, FIVE REPUBLICANS AND FIVE UNAFFILIATED VOTERS.

NONE OF THE MEMBERS CAN PLAY FORMAL ACTIVE ROLE IN THE POLITICAL PROCESS .

NO CANDIDATES, NO LOBBYISTS, NO CONSULTANTS.

THIS WEEK SUPPORTERS OF THE AMENDMENT GOT A SMALL VICTORY.

A FEDERAL JUDGE RULED THE NEW STATE LAW BARRING FOREIGN CONTRIBUTIONS TO ISSUE CAMPAIGNS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

ANDREW TOBIAS, THIS CAME DOWN TO A LAST-MINUTE CHANGE IN THE BILL THAT EVENTUALLY BECAME LAW BARRING THOSE FOREIGN CONTRIBUTIONS.

>> THE BILL LISS TARGETED BASICALLY AT ONE GUY IN SWITZERLAND.

HE LIVES IN THE UNITED STATES AND IS A SWISS CITIZEN AND GAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO A FOUNDATION WHICH GAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO VALIDATIONS IN OHIO INCLUDING THE CURRENT ISSUE ONE CAMPAIGN.

AT THE LAST MINUTE HE SAID LAWMAKERS WANT TO SAY THE NONCITIZENS, THEY ALSO INCLUDED GREEN CARD HOLDERS WHO ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LEGAL POSITION TO BE IN THE UNITED STATES PERMANENTLY BUT DO NOT YET HAVE CITIZENSHIP.

SOME AT THE TIME RAISED CONCERNS THAT WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW BECAUSE OF SOME PRECEDENT THAT EXISTS INCLUDING AN OPINION WRITTEN BY NOW SUPREME COURT JUSTICE BRETT KAVANAUGH .

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE JUDGE DID.

HE WAS A GEORGE W. BUSH APPOINTEE.

HE SAID FEDERAL LAW ALLOWS FOR NOT CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS THAT ISSUE ADVOCACY .

THAT COULD BE GOOD FOR THE ISSUE ONE CAMPAIGN.

WE SAW SOME SIGNS THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO CIRCUMVENT THE LAW BECAUSE THEY ESSENTIALLY SPENT ALL OF THEIR MONEY.

>> THEY RAISE THE MONEY AND SPENT IT EARLY.

>> THEY WERE WONDERING HOW THAT MIGHT AFFECT THEM AND IT MAY NOT BE IN EFFECT BEFORE THE ELECTION.

>> SO WHERE DOES THE CAMPAIGN GO FROM HERE?

SUPPORTERS REALLY HAVE NOT GONE EARLY SEPTEMBER.

>> I THINK THEY ARE CONSERVING THEIR RESOURCES FOR THE TIME AND THEY ACTUALLY NEED THEM.

THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT IS GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT TO VOTER TURNOUT.

VOTERS HAVE SAID SEVERAL TIMES THAT THEY WANT REFORMS AND WE IN HOW WE DRAW THE LINES FOR LEGISLATIVE DISTRICTS.

THE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE HAS GONE BACK SEVERAL TIMES AND NOT GIVEN THE WISHES OF THE PUBLIC.

NOW THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE.

YOU HAVE A BALLOT INITIATIVE THAT IS CITIZEN LED.

THAT WILL PASS OVERWHELMINGLY.

>> WHERE IS THE OPPOSITION TO THIS.

IT IS CALLED OHIO WORKS.

I GOOGLED OHIO WORKS.

WHAT YOU GET IS THE DEPARTMENT OF JOB AND FAMILY SERVICES WEBSITE TO HELP PEOPLE GET ON WELFARE.

>> I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE OPPOSITION GROUP.

CAME A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

THAT WAS THE NAME THAT WAS GIVEN.

THAT IS THE POINT THAT THE CURRENT SYSTEM WORKS.

>> I GUESS.

THE WHOLE ISSUE HERE IS, DO YOU WANT PEOPLE DRYING THESE LINES THAT ARE NOT ACCOUNTABLE TO THE VOTERS.

PURE AND SIMPLE.

THAT'S THE ARGUMENT DEMOCRATS USED WHEN THEY CONTROLLED LINE DRAWING AND WE TRIED TO GET SOMETHING PASSED THAT WOULD CHANGE THAT.

THEY FOUGHT AND WON BUT THAT WILL BE MY SIDE'S ARGUMENT.

YOU CAN'T HAVE PEOPLE DRYING THESE LINES THAT ARE UNACCOUNTABLE TO VOTERS.

VOTERS HAVE TO BE THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE.

THIS SYSTEM IS PUTTING PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT ACCOUNTABLE IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM TO THE VOTERS OF OHIO.

>> WE TRIED THAT AND WE CLEARLY STILL HAVE GERRYMANDERED LINES.

>> LINES THAT YOUR DEMOCRAT LEADERS SUPPORTED.

THOSE ARE THE LINES WE HAVE CURRENTLY IN PLACE.

THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE THAT WE ADOPTED WORKS .

WE GOT MINDS THAT YOUR LEADERS BOTH IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE AGREED UPON.

THAT WAS THE WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO WORK.

YOU GET THE PEOPLE THAT ARE VOTED ON BY THE PEOPLE TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT AND DO THOSE LINES.

>> AGAIN, AGAIN WE HAVE THIS BALLOT INITIATIVE ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER BECAUSE THE PEOPLE SAID THEY WANT THIS BACK IN THE HANDS OF THE VOTERS.

>> WE HAVE A GROUP OF PROGRESSIVES THAT GOT TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE IT.

WHAT I FIND INTERESTING -- >> NOT A PROGRESSIVE.

>> YES SHE IS.

THERE ARE PROGRESSIVE REPUBLICANS.

WHAT I FIND INTERESTING IS GROUPS LIKE THIS THEY COME TO OHIO, THEY DON'T GO TO ILLINOIS.

ILLINOIS HAS THE MOST GERRYMANDERED CONGRESSIONAL LINES IN THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS DREW THEM.

THEY ARE NOT AGAINST GERRYMANDERING.

THEY ARE ONLY AGAINST GERRYMANDERING WHERE >> WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING FOR IN THIS CAMPAIGN?

WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR THERE?

>> I THINK IT WILL COME DOWN TO HOW MUCH ADVERTISING THE OPPOSITION CAMPAIGN HAS.

I GO BACK TO THIS VERY SIMILAR ISSUE IN MISSOURI 2018 WHEN JOSH HOLLY WAS ELECTED AS A REPUBLICAN.

I THINK IT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT IS APPEALING TO VOTERS.

THE IDEA OF THROW THE POLITICIANS OUT.

IT'S AN EASY THING TO SELL BUT IT IS A MATTER OF THE STUFF THAT VOTERS ARE CONSIDERING.

HE WILL SHOW UP AND VOTE FOR PRESIDENT AND THIS MIGHT BE AN AFTERTHOUGHT.

IT'S LIKE THE ONUS IS ON THE OPPOSITION CAMPAIGN.

>> WE ARE STILL WAITING TO HEAR IF THE SUPREME COURT WILL MAKE THEM REWRITE THE BALLOT LANGUAGE.

>> IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT REDISTRICTING, EVERYTHING YOU'VE EVER WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT REDISTRICTING, WE HAVE A GREAT PODCAST TO EXPLAIN IT.

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WHY IT MATTERS AND HOW IT HAS AFFECTED POLITICS IN OHIO AND OTHER STATES.

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>>> THE NEXT TOPIC, THE INCIDENTS OF EVEN POSSIBLE VOTER FRAUD IN OHIO ARE EXTREMELY RARE.

A FRACTION OF A FRACTION OF A PERCENT.

BUT EVERY CYCLE THERE'S AN EFFORT TO FURTHER TIGHTEN ELECTION RULES TO PREVENT FRAUD, AND THOSE RULES CAN MAKE IT HARDER TO VOTE.

THE LATEST COMES THIS WEEK.

OHIO SECRETARY OF STATE FRANK LAROSE INSTRUCTED LOCAL ELECTION OFFICIALS TO ONLY ALLOW VOTERS TO PUT THEIR BALLOTS IN DROP BOXES.

THEY CANNOT PUT BALLOTS OF OTHERS IN THE BOXES.

THIS COMES AFTER A JUDGE REJECTED OHIO'S LAW SAYING ONLY VERY CLOSE RELATIVES OF HOUSEBOUND VOTERS COULD DROP OFF BALLOTS IN DROP BOXES.

LAROSE'S DIRECTIVE SAYS IF YOU WANT TO DROP OFF SOMEONE ELSE'S BALLOT, YOU HAVE TO COME INTO THE OFFICE AND SIGN LEGAL PAPERS EXPLAINING WHY YOU'RE DOING IT.

LAROSE WANTS LAWMAKERS TO BAN DROP BOXES ALL TOGETHER.

THIS SEEMS LIKE A KIND OF TRIVIAL THING.

MICHAEL AFTER A CHASE --A CASE WHERE A JUDGE SAYS THE GRANDKIDS OF HOMEBOUND VOTERS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DROP OFF THEIR BALLOTS.

IT DOESN'T SEEM WIDE AS THE WISE.

>> IT'S GETTING TO A BROADER TOPIC WHICH IS BALLOT HARVESTING.

>> THAT HASN'T HAPPENED IN OHIO.

>> ARE YOU GOING TO GUARANTEE IT'S NEVER HAPPENED IN OHIO?

WE'VE SEEN BALLOT HARVESTING.

THERE WAS A WHOLE MAYORAL ELECTION EARLIER THIS YEAR IN HARTFORD, CONNECTICUT, THAT HAD TO BE REDONE BECAUSE THEY HAD SUCH ABUSIVE BALLOT HARVESTING THAT WAS GOING ON .

THEY HAVE VIDEO OF A WOMAN COMING IN AND DUMPING HUNDREDS OF BALLOTS IN A BALLOT BOX.

JUST BECAUSE IT'S NEVER HAPPENED HERE DOES NOT MEAN IT CAN'T HAPPEN HERE.

>> WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT CASE?

DID THE PERSON GET PROSECUTED?

>> THEY GOT PROSECUTED AND THE JUDGE SAID THE WHOLE ELECTION HAD TO BE REDONE.

>> SO YOU CAN ARGUE THE PROCESS WORKED .

>> IT WORKED BECAUSE THEY CAUGHT THE PERSON.

IF WE DON'T HAVE LAWS ON THE BOOKS THAT MAKE THAT ILLEGAL WHAT DO WE DO IF WE CATCH SOMEBODY?

>> DROP BOXES, WE ONLY HAVE ONE PER COUNTY NOW ANYWAY.

>> IT'S ANOTHER ATTEMPT BY REPUBLICANS TO MAKE VOTING HARDER.

THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

IF YOU HAVE A SEALED BALLOT AND YOU DROP IT IN THE DROPBOX WHO CARES IF YOU ARE TAKING YOUR SISTER'S OR YOUR MOTHER'S AND YOU ARE DROPPING IT IN THE DROPBOX.

IT'S JUST ANOTHER ATTEMPT TO MAKE VOTING HARDER.

>> YOU CAN SEE HOW THEY MIGHT GO TO THE NURSING HOME AND COLLECT A BUNCH OF BALLOTS AND BRING IT TO AN EARLY VOTING STATION.

YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT COULD HAPPEN.

THERE SHOULD BE A MIDDLE GROUND.

>> THAT'S FOR THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS.

THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS JOB IS TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE OF THOSE BALLOTS THAT GO IN THERE HAVE THE CORRECT SIGNATURES.

THEY HAVE THE MECHANISMS IN PLACE AT THE LOCAL BOARD OF ELECTIONS SO THEY CAN MAKE SURE FRAUD IS NOT HAPPENING.

>> HOW DO LOCAL BOARDS OF ELECTION POLICE THIS?

SOMEONE IS UP AT THREE CLOCK IN THE MORNING WITH TWO BALLOTS INSTEAD OF ONE?

I COULD SEE IF YOU HAVE STACKS IT COULD BE A PROBLEM.

>> THAT IS THE QUESTION I HAVE PICKED THE IDEA THAT IF YOU ARE BRINGING A BALLOT ON BEHALF OF SOMEBODY ELSE YOU HAVE TO WALK IN AND SIGN UP FORM ATTESTING THAT YOU ARE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO DO IT WITH DEFINITIONS OF CLOSE RELATIVES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

IT'S NOT CLEAR WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T FIND THE FORM.

WITH A FISH IN AND PULL THE BALLOT OUT.

I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION AND WHETHER AN APPELLATE COURT MIGHT THROW IT OUT.

WE HAVE ANOTHER MONTH BEFORE VOTING STARTS SO WHEN I TALK ABOUT THIS STUFF WITH THE LEGAL CASE GOING ON I LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THAT WE'VE SEEN THESE RULINGS GO BACK AND WORTH.

>> THE FINAL TOPIC, THE CITY OF COLUMBUS IS GETTING TOUGH ON AT LEAST ONE PERSON IN THE CYBERATTACK ON GOVERNMENT COMPUTERS.

THE CITY IS GOING AFTER THE WHISTLEBLOWER WHO EXPOSED THE EXTENT OF THE CYBERATTACK.

THE WHISTLEBLOWER DAVID ROSS JR. WHO GOES BY THE NAME OF CONNOR GOODWOLF, HAS PROVIDED DETAILS OF THE DATA HACK TO MEDIA OUTLETS, INCLUDING WOSU.

THOSE DETAILS CONTRIDICTED STATEMENTS BY MAYOR ANDREW GINTHER THE CITY GOT A RESTRAINING ORDER AGAINST GOODWOLF SAYING HE ILLEGALLY USING STOLEN DATA TO EXPOSE PRIVATE INFORMATION.

CITY ATTORNEY ZACH KLEIN SAYS THE CITY IS NOT GOING AFTER GOODWOLF FOR EMBARRASSING THE CITY .

DERRICK CLAY, IS THIS A WISE TACTIC GIVEN ALL THE BAD PRESS THE CITY HAS GOTTEN TO GO AFTER THE WHISTLEBLOWER?

THERE'S NO EVIDENCE HE IS MISUSING THIS INFORMATION.

>> WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT THE CITY OBVIOUSLY WAS ATTACKED BUT THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL ATTACKS ACROSS THE COUNTRY OF THE SAME TYPE.

I WAS TALKING TO SOMEONE AND THEY SAID THEY GET OVER 1 BILLION ATTEMPTS AT TRYING TO GET INTO THE CITIES SYSTEMS EVERY YEAR.

OVER 1 BILLION.

THIS ONE TIME SOMEBODY ACTUALLY GOT IN.

AS TO THE CITY GOING OUT TO THE WHISTLEBLOWER, WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE OTHER ENTITIES AT HAND TELLING THE CITY NOT TO TALK TO ANYONE OR NOT GIVEN ANY INFORMATION BECAUSE OF THESE CYBER ATTACKS AROUND THE COUNTRY.

>> THE CRITICISM OF THE CITY IS THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN TRANSPARENT.

THEY ARE A VICTIM HERE.

THIS WAS AN ILLEGAL ACT ATTACKING THE DATABASE.

YOU CAN SAY IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN SECURE OR ENCRYPTED ENOUGH BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THEY HAVE NOT BEEN FULLY TRANSPARENT.

>> IF YOU WANT TO START FROM THE BEGINNING WHEN THE MAYOR DID HIS FIRST PRESS CONFERENCE WHERE HE SAID THEY HACKED US BUT THERE WAS NOTHING REALLY THAT THEY COULD GET.

WITHIN HOURS THE WHISTLEBLOWER SHOWED THE MEDIA KNOW, THIS IS EVERYTHING.

HE'S EVEN FINDING OUT MORE.

I WISH THE CITY WAS AS CONCERNED ABOUT THE NEFARIOUS CHARACTERS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT ARE TAKING THIS DATA AND USING IT FOR THEIR OWN , TO SCAM PEOPLE OR GET MONEY.

THEY SEEM MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PR ANGLE THAN THE ACTUAL DAMAGE IT WILL CAUSE POTENTIALLY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.

>> THEY SAID IT IS UNDER INVESTIGATION LIMITING HOW MUCH THEY CAN TALK .

WE JUST DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE GOING AFTER THESE FOLKS.

>> THAT'S THE WAY THESE INVESTIGATIONS GO.

IT'S A FRUSTRATING THING TO NOT HAVE MORE AWARENESS OF WHAT IS HAPPENING.

THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT DRIVERS COPIED SO IT IS A MESS FOR SURE.

>> THE CITY HAS BEEN COLLECTING DRIVERS LICENSE INFORMATION FROM ANYBODY THAT VISITS CITY HALL AND KEEPING IT.

THAT SEEMS LIKE BIG BROTHER.

>> AS SOMEBODY THAT GOES TO CITY HALL QUITE A BIT I KNOW MY LICENSE HAS BEEN DOWN THERE BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE TO DO THAT.

IN THIS DAY AND AGE YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHO IS COMING TO CITY HALL.

YET THE MAYOR DOWN THERE AND THE CITY COUNCIL .

THEY HAVE TO KNOW WHO YOU ARE .

YOU COME TO CITY HALL THEY NEED TO KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

>>> LET'S GET TO OUR PARTING SHOTS.

BOB CLEGG YOU ARE A FIRST.

>> THIS WEEK THE BILL WAS INTRODUCED IN THE SENATE THAT WILL ALLOW INTERNET CASINO GAMBLING.

THAT WILL OPEN UP THE DOOR TO A LOT MORE MONEY BEING THAT IN OHIO AND A LOT MORE REVENUE FOR THE STATE OF OHIO.

>> DERRICK CLAY.

GOING ON .

THE PUBLIC LIBRARY JUST GOT A NEW CEO.

CODA GOT A NEW CEO AND WE SAW RECENTLY THAT THE CEO OF THE COLUMBUS PARTNERSHIP IS GOING BACK TO HIS ROLE AT ONE COLUMBUS.

>> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>> THAT MEANS THERE'S A LOT OF LEADERSHIP CHANGES IN THE COMMUNITY >> ANDREW, -- >> I'M WRAPPING UP A STORY ABOUT POLITICAL TEXT, BILLIONS OF THEM THAT ARE SENT AND WHY YOU CAN'T STOP THEM.

AS I WROTE THE STORY I HUNG UP WITH SOMETHING THAT DOES THIS STUFF AND THEN 15 SECONDS LATER I GOT A TEXT ASKING FOR MONEY FOR THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN.

>> GETTING BACK TO THE CITY HALL I.D.

STORY, APPARENTLY THE FORMER GOVERNORS BOB TAFT AND TED STRICKLAND CAME UP ON THE LIST OF FOLKS THAT WERE INVITED TO CITY HALL.

SOME IMPOSTERS WERE USING THEIR NAME TO GO TO A CITY COUNCIL HEARING.

THEY DID NOT ACTUALLY TESTIFY.

THEY GOT A GOOD KICK OUT OF THAT.

THAT IS COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD THIS WEEK.

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