>> COMING UP NEXT ON "HEADLINE HUMBOLDT", WE HEAR FROM NORTH COAST CONGRESSMAN JARED HUFFMAN ON THE INDICTMENT OF FORMER PRESIDENT AND NOW CRIMINAL DEFENDANT DONALD TRUMP, ON THE CLOSE OF SALMON SEASON AND PARTISAN FIGHT TOP RAISE THE DEBT CEILING.

ALSO THE CITY COUNCIL IS CONSIDERING A DAY CENTER FOR HOMELESS PROVIDING A PLACE FOR THEM TO BE DURING DAYLIGHT HOURS.

COMING UP NOW ON "HEADLINE HUMBOLDT".

FROM THE TOP OF HUMBOLDT HILL I'M JAMES FAULK JOINING JOIN.

IT IS EASTER WEEKEND.

AS SO MANY CELEBRATE WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS' CRUCIFIXION, WE ARE SEEING THE DENOUEMENT OF CIVIL SOCIETY.

JUST THIS WEEK DONALD TRUMP WAS DIETED ON SUSPICION OF FRAUDULENTLY FILING PAPERWORK TO COVER UP AN AFFAIR WITH A PORN STAR.

THREE MORE ALLEGATIONS ARE IN THE OFFING.

TWO BLACK DEMOCRATIC RESPIRATORIES WERE REMOVED FROM THE TENNESSEE -- TWO WERE ARE MOVED.

RELATEDLY, WE HEAR ANOTHER WORK OF ADDITIONAL MASS SHOOTINGS, OFTEN INVOLVING CHILDREN.

WHILE OUR POLITICAL LEADERS STRUGGLE TO FIND CONSENSUS ON HOW TO FIGHT THIS UNIQUELY AMERICAN SITUATION.

A MEMBER OF PROBE CLARENCE THOMAS HAS REPORTEDLY BEEN ACCEPTING LAVISH GIFTS FROM A BILLIONAIRE.

HE DENIES WRONGDOING.

THE LIST GOES ON AND ON AND ON ON FROM OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO ARE ALL TOO CONCERNED WITH RE-ELECTION OVER MASTERMINDING PUBLIC POLICY.

AS WE GET GUSSIED UP AND MY OSTENSIBLY CELEBRATE THE SUPERNATURAL RESURRECTION OF A SAVIOR, WE LOOK AT THE CHARACTER WHO MADE US A SUPERPOWER TO BEGIN WITH.

WE TALKED TO CONGRESSMAN JARED HUFFMAN TO GET A READ.

HUFFMAN BELIEVES THE NOW ONGOING PROSECUTION OF TRUMP ISN'T AS STRANGE OR EXCEPTIONAL AS MANY CLAIM.

>> YEAH.

I'M NOT PAYING A HUGE AMOUNT OF ATTENTION TO IT, TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, JAMES.

IT SHOULDN'T BE ALL THAT SENSATIONAL, ALL THAT ALARMING THAT A GUY WHO SO BRAZENLY THUMBED HIS NOSE AT THE LAW MIGHT EVENTUALLY SEE THE LAW CATCH UP TO HIM.

WE HAVE HAD VICE PRESIDENTS FACE CRIMINAL CHARGES IN THE CASE OF SPIRO AGNEW.

I GUESS ONCE UPON A TIME, A SITTING PRESIDENT YURKS LYSSES GRANT FACED CHARGES.

PRESIDENT CLINTON FOUND HIMSELF IN HOT WATER INVOLVING PERJURY OVER A PERSONAL MATTER THAT GOT HIM IN BIG TROUBLE.

A VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE JOHN EDWARDS SAW CRIMINAL CHARGES.

SO I THINK WE MAYBE SHOULD PUSH BACK A LITTLE AGAINST THIS IDEA THAT THIS IS SOME FUNDAMENTALLY NEW TERRITORY THAT SIGNALS A HUGE SHIFT IN OUR NATIONAL POLITICS AND OUR LEGAL SYSTEM.

I DON'T THINK IT IS.

>> YEAH.

ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED IS THAT EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE SAY THIS IS A CELEBRATION OF -- OR THE TRIUMPH OF THE RULE OF LAW, THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS MADE FOR HIM.

HE IS ALLOWED TO TAKE HIS TIME TO GET THERE, HE IS ALLOWED TO SET THE TABLE FOR HIMSELF AND HE IS OBVIOUSLY USING IT NOW TO FUND RAISE AND WHAT NOT.

IS THERE A RISK THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE HIS FORMER ROLE, I GUESS, THAT IT CAN APPEAR TO PEOPLE THAT THIS REALLY ISN'T, YOU KNOW, EVERY MAN IS SUBJECT TO THE SAME LAWS IN THIS COUNTRY?

MAN AND WOMAN, OF COURSE?

>> I THINK THAT IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION.

IF HE GOES THROUGH THIS LEGAL PROCESS ONLY TO BE PAMPERED AND ULTIMATELY LET OFF THE HOOK IN WAYS THAT LOOK INEQUITABLE AND UNFAIR, IT WILL PROBABLY HAVE THE OPPOSITE EFFECT OF REENFORCING THE RULE OF LAW.

SO, LOOK, I THINK THE BEST I CAN DO AND WHAT I URGE ALL MY COLLEAGUES IN POLITICS TO DO IS JUST STAY OUT OF IT.

LET THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AND THE LEGAL SYSTEM DO ITS WORK AND TRY TO KEEP POLITICS OUT OF IT.

>> LAST QUESTION ON THE SUBJECT, BUT THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF BELLY ACHING ABOUT THE ORDER THAT THESE CHARGES WERE FILED.

THERE'S THREE OTHER INVESTIGATIONS PENDING.

AND SOME PEOPLE THINK THE JANUARY 6 INVESTIGATION, FOR INSTANCE, OR MAR-A-LAGO DOCUMENTS CASE IS WAY MORE SUBSTANTIVE.

IT IS UNFORTUNATE THIS ONE WENT FIRST?

>> YOU KNOW, I'M AMUSED WHEN I HEAR THAT KIND OF ARMCHAIR CRIMINAL CHOREOGRAPHY.

DO PEOPLE REALLY THINK THAT IS THE WAY OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM WORKS, THAT WE CAN SIT BACK AND CHOREOGRAPH WHETHER A GEORGIA DISTRICT ATTORNEY OR NEW YORK DISTRICT ATTORNEY OR THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE GO FIRST?

IT SHOULD NEVER WORK THAT WAY.

NO ONE SHOULD BE CONSPIREING FOR POLITICAL AND PUBLIC PERCEPTION REASONS.

THE CHOREOGRAPHY OF INDEPENDENT CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS AND CHARGES IN DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS.

I WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE OUR SYSTEM OF JUSTICE IS WAY BETTER THAN THAT.

FRANKLY, THE POLITICAL COMMENTATORS WHO ENGAGE IN THAT SHOULD BE BETTER THAN THAT, TOO.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

MOVING ON, SOME MAJOR NEWS HAPPENED A LITTLE WHILE AGO.

GROUND WAS BROKEN ON REMOVAL OF THE KLAMATH DAMS.

THAT IS A PROJECT YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THE ENTIRETY OF YOUR CAREER.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?

>> OH, IT'S EXCITING.

THIS IS A LONG TIME COMING, ONE OF THE BEST THINGS TO HAPPEN ON THE ENTIRE NORTH COAST.

TOMORROW I WILL BE IN SAN FRANCISCO FOR A BIG PRESS EVENT WITH SALMON FISHERMEN AND FISHERY OFFICIALS TO LAMENT THE FACT WE EXPECT A FULL CLOSURE OF THE SALMON SEASON TO BE ORDERED SOMETIME TODAY OR IN THE MORNING.

I HAVE SEEN TOO MANY OF THESE FISHERY CLOSURES, TOO MANY ATTEMPTS TO GET DISASTER RELIEF TO FISHERMEN WHO CAN'T EVEN GO ON THE WATER.

TOO MUCH DAMAGE TO THE YUROK AND KARUK AND HOOPA TRIBES WHO HAVE DEPENDED ON THESE FISHING A LOT LONGER, QUITE FRANKLY, THAN COMMERCIAL FISHERIES.

ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO BRING THE RIVERS AND FISHERIES BACK TO HEALTH IS FANTASTIC NEWS.

THIS IS A BIG ONE.

>> DO YOU SUPPORT THE CLOSURE OF THE SALMON SEASON?

>> I DO.

I THINK IT IS THE ONLY MANAGEMENT TOOL YOU HAVE WHEN YOU GET TO A POINT THAT IS THIS BAD.

BUT LET'S BE CLEARED, WE ARE NOT CLOSING IT BECAUSE IT IS OVERFISHED.

WE ARE NOT CLOSING BECAUSE OF DROUGHT, ALTHOUGH DROUGHT CONDITIONS HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO IT.

WE ARE CLOSING IT BECAUSE PEOPLE MADE POLITICAL AND POLICY DECISIONS TO NOT GIVE FISH THE WATER THEY NEED.

>> DO YOU BELIEVE A DEAL IS STILL POSSIBLE OR THE DEBT CEILING?

DOES THE GOP IN CONGRESS HAVE THE STRENGTH TO FORCE BIDEN TO THE TABLE?

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK KEVIN McCARTHY, TO GET THE VOTES FROM THE MOST EXTREMISTS IN THE CONGRESS HAD TO MAKE A LOT OF PROMISES.

ONE IS HE WOULD WALK THE PLANK ON THE DEBT CEILING, GO THROUGH THE MOTIONS OF BASICALLY HOLDING THE GLOBAL FINANCIAL SYSTEM HOSTAGE TO EXTRACT CONCESSIONS.

I THINK WE HAVE THE NUMBERS TO GO AROUND HIM AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET TO A CLEAN DEBT CEILING SOLUTION.

WE HAVE TO, RIGHT?

THE FULL FAITH AND CREDIT OF THE UNITED STATES IS STILL A REALLY BIG DEAL.

I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO SEE THE GLOBAL ECONOMY GO OFF A CLIFF.

>> JOE MANCHIN SAID WE NEED TO TALK TO THE GOP AND NEGOTIATE, BUT THERE IS ALWAYS ROOM TO CUT SOME FAT, BASICALLY IS WHAT HE IMPLIED.

IS THERE NO PLACE YOU COULD SEE WHERE CUTS WOULD BE WARRANTED OR IS OPENING THAT SORT OF MENU, OPENING PANDORA'S BOX?

>> WELL, LOOK, IF YOU ARE SAYING THE DEFENSE BUDGET IS OFF THE TABLE AND MEDICARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY ARE OFF THE TABLE, THAT LEAVES VERY LITTLE ELSE TO MAKE UP SIGNIFICANT GROUND TO MAKE UP.

THAT IS NOT A FAIR WAY TO GO ABOUT THIS.

THIS IS WHAT THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS ARE DEMANDING.

IF JOE MANCHIN WANTS NEGOTIATIONS ON THOSE TERMS, SHAME ON HIM.

WHAT WE HAVE TOLD OUR REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES IS SHOW US YOUR PLAN.

IF YOU THINK THERE ARE WAYS TO FIND SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS TAKING THE HUGE SWATHS OF THE BUDGET OFF THE TABLE AND FOCUS ON OTHER DISCRETIONARY SPENDING ITEMS, SHOW US WHAT YOU WOULD DO.

I THINK THEY WOULD PROBABLY NOT STAND BY THEIR OWN PROPOSAL.

THE CUTS WOULD BE SO EXTREME.

TO VETERANS BENEFITS, TO JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF.

TO LAW AND ORDER, WHICH THEY CLAIM TO CARE ABOUT.

WELL, YOU KNOW, ALL THE LAW ENFORCEMENT FUNDING FALLS INTO THAT CATEGORY AS WELL.

SO THERE IS REALLY NO WAY TO GET THERE ON THE TERMS THAT HOUSE REPUBLICANS HAVE ARTICULATED AND MANCHIN IS PLAYING A LITTLE BIT OF POLITICS.

>> IF THE JANUARY 6 INVESTIGATION REVEALS THAT THERE WERE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE GOP CAUCUS INVOLVED IN PLOTTING THE INSURRECTION ON JANUARY 6, WOULD YOU SUPPORT THEIR REMOVAL?

AND IS THERE A RISK THAT CONTROL OF THE HOUSE COULD FLIP THAT WAY AND PEOPLE WOULD SEE IT AS ALMOST A QUIET COUP?

>> I THINK THE JANUARY 6th SELECT COMMITTEE DID REVEAL COMPLICITY AND INVOLVEMENT BY SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE, IN SPITE OF THE FACT THEY REFUSED TO COOPERATE.

THEY REFUSED TO TESTIFY.

THEY REFUSED TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTS.

WE KNOW ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT SEVERAL OF OUR COLLEAGUES IN CONGRESS WERE ABSOLUTELY IN THE THICK OF IT.

WOULD I SUPPORT THEIR EXPULSION?

LOOK, OF COURSE I WOULD.

I DON'T THINK THEY DESERVE TO SERVE IN CONGRESS IF THEY WERE COMPLICIT IN AN ATTEMPT TO VIOLENTLY STOP THE TRANSFER OF POWER.

DO I HAVE THE NUMBERS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN?

NO.

I DON'T.

REALISTICALLY IT IS NOT GOING HAPPEN.

THEY WILL OCCUPY A PLACE OF SHAME IN THE HISTORY BOOKS AND THAT MAY BE AS GOOD AS WE CAN DO WITH THOSE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS.

>> THIS ISSUE IS EMBLEMMATIC OF A DEEP DIVIDE THAT RUNS THROUGH THE COUNTRY, FED BY PARTISAN NEWS ORGANIZATIONS PROBABLY ON BOTH SIDES.

HOW DO WE BEGIN TO HEAL THIS DIVIDE WE HAVE, GIVEN WE HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA CONTINUING TO, YOU KNOW, IRRITATE THE SITUATION BY WORKING ON AN ALGORITHM THAT FUNNELS THE WORST INFORMATION TO THE WORST SORTS OF PEOPLE.

HOW DO WE BEGIN TO HEAL?

>> THERE'S NO ONE THING THAT IS GOING MAKE THAT HAPPEN, JAMES, UNFORTUNATELY.

YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE MONETIZING OF CONFLICT THAT IS A BIG PART OF THIS.

THE WAY WE GET OUR INFORMATION IN THIS DAY AND AGE IS FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS A GENERATION AGO.

PEOPLE HAVE FIGURED OUT THERE IS BIG MONEY IN KEEPING PEOPLE ANGRY, AFRAID, MISINFORMED, AND IN A CONSTANT STATE OF AGITATION AND CONFLICT.

AND THAT IS WHAT THOSE ALGORITHMS DO.

THAT IS WHAT A LOT OF THESE CABLE NEWS PROGRAMS DO.

HOW ARE WE GOING CHANGE THAT?

I THINK WE ARE GOING HAVE TO REDISCOVER THE VALUE OF CIVILITY AND JUST GOVERNING.

OTHER THINGS THAT MAY NOT BE GOOD FOR BUSINESS AT CABLE NEWS PLATFORMS AND SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS, BUT THEY ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO OUR ABILITY TO LIVE WITH EACH OTHER'S NEIGHBORS AND FELLOW AMERICANS.

SO THE BEST I CAN DO IS URGE PEOPLE TO CHANGE THE WAY THEY GET THEIR INFORMATION.

TO NOT RELY ON YOUTUBE AND FACEBOOK AND FOX NEWS OR EVEN MSNBC FOR ALL THEIR INFORMATION.

I'M SURE GRATEFUL FOR PUBLIC BROADCASTING.

THAT'S WHY I'M ALWAYS HAPPY TO APPEAR ON YOUR SHOW AND ANY OF THE OTHER PUBLIC BROADCASTING OUTLETS I HAVE IN MY DISTRICT.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT, SIR, AS DO OUR VIEWERS.

SO TO SWITCH GEARS A LITTLE BIT, TO GET TO SOME I GUESS FOREIGN AFFAIRS, THE TIKTOK BAN, THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED.

SOME PEOPLE THINK IT IS GOING OVER THE TOP.

IS IT ACTUALLY, DO YOU THINK, A NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT AND DO YOU SUPPORT THE BAN?

>> I THINK GIVEN TIKTOK'S OBVIOUS OWNERSHIP BY THE COMMUNIST PARTY, THE REGIME IN CHINA, IT IS AN ISSUE.

THEY HAVE SO MUCH DATA AND SO MUCH VISIBILITY INTO THE LIVES OF MILLIONS OF AMERICANS, WE DO NEED SOME KIND OF FIREWALL, SOME ASSURANCE THAT WILL NOT BE MISUSED IN A WAY THAT THREATENS OUR NATIONAL INTEREST.

I THINK THERE IS A WAY TO DO THAT WITHOUT BANNING TIKTOK.

I THINK THAT IS WHERE THIS WILL EVENTUALLY SETTLE OUT.

PROBABLY SOME KIND OF AN OWNERSHIP SHIFT WILL BE REQUIRED.

SOME KIND OF A FIREWALL BETWEEN A SUBSIDIARY THAT TAKES OVER THE OPERATIONS AND THE MAINTENANCE OF THE DATA IN THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT.

WE SHOULD NOT JUST DO THAT FOR TIKTOK.

WE SHOULD DO THAT FOR ALL STATE-OWNED ENTERPRISES THAT HAVE THIS PRESENCE IN THE U.S. MARKET.

>> DO YOU HAVE TIKTOK ON YOUR PHONE?

IS >> I DON'T.

MY SON SURE DOES.

>> AS DOES MINE.

>> HE IS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT A POSSIBLE BAN OF TIKTOK.

VERY OPPOSED TO IT.

>> YOUR HEAR ALL ABOUT THAT.

>> I KNOW WHAT MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ARE FEELING RIGHT NOW.

THEY LOVE THE PLATFORM.

IT IS TOTALLY ADDICTIVE.

AND WE CAN PROBABLY LET THEM HAVE THEIR TIKTOK FIX WITHOUT COMPROMISING OUR NATIONAL INTERESTS IF WE ARE SMART ABOUT THIS.

>> YEAH.

YOU KNOW, KEVIN McCARTHY MET WITH THE PRESIDENT OF TAIWAN AND NANCY PELOSI HAD VISITED TAIWAN BEFORE THAT, BOTH OF WHICH SEVERELY AGGRAVATED THE CHINESE.

DO YOU THINK THAT WE ARE PLAYING WITH FIRE THERE?

IS THERE A POTENTIAL FOR SOME KIND OF CONFLAGRATION WITH CHINA AND WOULDN'T IT BE BAD TO HAVE ISSUES LIKE THIS LEAD TO THAT?

>> WELL, WE HAVE CONSEQUENCES FOR EVERY DECISION WE MAKE WHEN IT COMES TO THIS AND UKRAINE.

SO THERE WOULD BE CONSEQUENCES IF WE WERE TO LEAVE TAIWAN HANGING OUT TO DRY.

I THINK CHINA WOULD LOOK FOR THAT KIND OF AN OPENING AND THEY ARE SIGNALLING IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY THEY WOULD CONSIDER AN ATTEMPTED MILITARY TAKEOVER OF TAIWAN.

AND IF WE CARE ABOUT OUR ALLIES AND DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM AS WE HAVE ALWAYS SAID WE DO, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO TRY TO FIND WAYS TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING AND DETERRENCE IS PROBABLY THE BEST WAY.

SO I SUPPORT A STRONG RELATIONSHIP WITH TAIWAN, BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT TO FIND A WAY, KIND OF ACROSS THE BOARD IN ALL OUR DEALINGS WITH CHINA, TO BE LESS BELLICOSE, TO TONE DOWN THE VITRIOL.

THERE IS SOME GRATUITOUS SABRE RATTLING THAT IS HAPPENING ON THE AMERICAN SIDE AND ON THE CHINESE SIDE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE WANT A CONFLICT WITH CHINA.

THEY ARE STILL A MAJOR TRADING PARTNER.

THEY ARE STILL INTERTWINED IN SIGNIFICANT WAYS IN OUR ECONOMY AND THEY ARE A HUGE NATION THAT WE SHOULDN'T WANT TO GO -- WE SHOULDN'T WANT TO GO TO WAR WITH ANYONE.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US BE A LITTLE MORE THOUGHTFUL, A LITTLE MORE DIPLOMATIC IN OUR RHETORIC AND ENGAGEMENT.

BUT I DON'T DISAGREE WITH EITHER SPEAKER PELOSI OR MY CONGRESSIONAL COLLEAGUES WHO RECENTLY MET WITH THE PRESIDENT OF TAIWAN.

TAIWAN IS A VIBRANT, THRIVING DEMOCRACY AND THE PEOPLE OF TAIWAN DO NOT WANT TO BE CONSUMED BY THIS BIG COMMUNIST STATE THAT WOULD FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE, THEIR ECONOMY, THEIR FREEDOMS.

AND, YOU KNOW, I AM SYMPATHETIC TO THEIR ASPIRATIONS.

>> IT IS A TRANSFORMATION THEY HAVE SEEN WITH HONG KONG, SO ALL OF -- >> EXACTLY.

>> WHAT THEY CAN PREDICT IS LAID OUT RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM.

YOU MENTIONED UKRAINE.

FINLAND HAS JOINED NATO AND DRAMATICALLY EXTENDED THE RUSSIAN BORDER WITH NATO.

SOME HAVE ARGUED THE WAR IN UKRAINE WAS MEANT TO ACCOMPLISH THAT VERY PURPOSE.

HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT?

>> THAT IS ONE HECK OF AN INTERESTING CONSPIRACY THEORY.

I THINK YOU HAVE TO REALLY STRAIN TO CONNECT FUZZY DOTS TO COME TO THAT CONCLUSION.

THE WAR IN UKRAINE, I THINK, WAS QUITE OBVIOUSLY ABOUT VLADAMIR PUTIN'S NATIONALIST EMPIRE BUILDING ASPIRATIONS.

AND, YOU KNOW, HIS NOSTALGIA, IF YOU WILL, FOR THE SOVIET EMPIRE THAT EVAPORATED IN THE 90s.

SO I THINK IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THE.

THE AGE OLD STORY OF AN AMBITIOUS DICTATOR THAT WANTS TO INVADE AND TAKE OVER NEIGHBORS.

AND THAT USUALLY DOESN'T END WELL.

I HAVE BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF OUR STRONG SUPPORT OF UKRAINE.

I DON'T -- I THINK TO ARGUE THAT SOMEHOW WE ORCHESTRATED THIS OR WANTED TO SEE THIS SO WE COULD EXPAND NATO IS A PRETTY FRIVOLOUS ARGUMENT.

>> THERE'S BEEN REPORTS BY LEGENDARY JOURNALIST SY HIRSH AND OTHERS THE ATTACK ON THE PIPELINE WAS AN AMERICAN OPERATION.

DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT AND WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE SUCH AN UNDERCOVER OPERATION HAPPEN AMIDST A WAR BETWEEN TWO OTHER PARTIES >> I READ THE SY HIRSH ARTICLE.

IT IS EXTREMELY WELL WRITTEN.

WHATEVER ELSE YOU MIGHT SAY ABOUT HIM, HE KNOWS HOW TO WRITE A THRILLING, SORT OF PSEUDO INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM ARTICLE TO DRAW YOU IN AND MAKE ALL SORTS OF THINGS SEEM PLAUSIBLE.

AT THE HEART OF IT IS HIS CONTENTION THAT PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN ORDERED THE SABOTAGING AND DESTRUCTION OF THESE PIPELINES.

BASED ON EVERYTHING I KNOW, THERE IS 0 CHANCE THAT HAPPENED.

IT IGNORES WHO JOE BIDEN IS, HIS CAUTIOUS APPROACH TO THESE THINGS, ALL THE DIFFERENT CHECKS AND BALANCES THAT WOULD KICK IN 'AROUND HIM BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A DIRECT MILITARY ACTION AGAINST RUSSIA.

JOE BIDEN IS A GUY WHO WOULDN'T EVEN PROVIDE CERTAIN TYPES OF LETHAL AID ALMOST UNTIL A YEAR INTO THE UKRAINE CONFLICT BECAUSE HE WAS SO CONCERNED ABOUT ESCALATION WITH RUSSIA.

I DON'T BUY IT AT ALL.

MR. HIRSH'S PREMISE HAS TAKEN A HIT WITH THE RECENT REVELATION SOME PRO-UKRAINE GROUPS BLEW UP THE PIPELINE.

>> WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU FOUND OUT JOE BIDEN WAS BEHIND IT.

WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE RESPONSE FROM CONGRESS?

IS >> YEAH, I MEAN, IT IS AN ABSURD HYPOTHETICAL.

HIRSH TALKS ABOUT UNNAMED SECRET SOURCES HE REFUSES TO IDENTIFY.

THERE IS NOT ENOUGH CREDIBILITY TO GIVE IT DIGNITY.

IT DID NOT HAPPEN.

ANYONE WHO BELIEVES IT HAPPENS IS EMBRACING A THEORY THAT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.

>> BIDEN APPROVED THE WILLOW DRILLING PROJECT IN ALASKA.

AROUND THAT HE DID CONSERVATION MOVES TO MAKE IT MORE PALATABLE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT?

>> IT WAS A TERRIBLE MOVE.

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO RECONCILE THE OPENING UP OF THE LARGEST PUBLIC LANDS, LARGEST OIL AND GAS DEVELOPMENT -- OIL DEVELOPMENT IN DECADES FROM A PRESIDENT WHO SAID HE WOULD NOT DO THIS VERY THING.

ALSO FROM A PRESIDENT WHO SET APPROPRIATELY VERY AMBITIOUS CLIMATE GOALS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION BENEFITS THAT WE CAN POTENTIALLY GET FROM WHAT WE PASSED IN THE LAST CONGRESS, SPECIFICALLY THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT, I HAVE SEEN SOME NUMBERS SUGGEST THAT THE CARBON BOMB OF THE WILLOW PROJECT COULD ERODE AS MUCH AS 30 OR 40% OF THE CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION FROM THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT.

SO THIS IS A TERRIBLE MOVE.

I HAVE BEEN VERY BLUNT IN MY CRITICISM OF THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IN DOING THIS.

AND, YOU KNOW, I WILL SUPPORT EVERY POSSIBLE EFFORT TO BLOCK IT, UNWIND IT, FIND SOME WAY TO STOP IT.

BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO THIS.

IF YOU ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THE CLIMATE CRISIS, YOU CAN'T TAKE ONE STEP FORWARD AND ANOTHER STEP BACK.

THAT IS LOSING.

>> OKAY.

AND THE 65 MILLION DOLLAR RELEASE OF MONEY FOR THE TRINITY RIVER HATCHERY UPGRADES.

CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THAT WORK WILL ACCOMPLISH?

>> YEAH.

IT IS GOING MODERNIZE THIS AGING AND NEGLECTED HATCHERY FACILITY SO IT CAN HELP WITH THE CONSERVATION OF SOME REALLY CRITICAL SPECIES INCLUDING COHO SALMON.

SO IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE FEDERAL INVESTMENT IN THE TRINITY RIVER SYSTEM.

WE HAVE SOME CHALLENGES WITH THE MANAGEMENT OF COLD WATER IN THE TRINITY RIVER BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE RELEASE MECHANISM WORKS FROM TRINITY LAKE.

THE WATER IN THE SPRING IS TOO COLD FOR JUVENILE SALMON TO GROW AS FAST AS WE WANT THEM TO GROW AND INCREASINGLY WE ARE FINDING THAT IS A LIMITING FACTOR IN THE SUCCESS OF OUR SALMON RECOVERY THERE.

I WANT TO SEE SOME MAJOR FEDERAL INVESTMENTS IN MODIFYING AND UPGRADES THE WATER RELEASE SYSTEM FROM TRINITY LAKE TO CONTROL TOUR BETTER AND GROW LARGER, FATTER SALMON WITH A BETTER CHANCE OF SURVIVAL.

THIS IS GOOD NEWS BECAUSE WE NEED THIS HATCHERY AS A BACKSTOP TO OUR RECOVERY EFFORTS FOR THESE FISH.

>> THAT IS ALL OUR TIME FOR TODAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME OUT OF YOUR SCHEDULE TO MEET WITH US.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> TALK TO YOU SOON.

>> THIS DECISION WILL SHAPE THE DOWNTOWN AREA FOR 50, 150 YEARS TO COME.

>> THE EUREKA CITY COUNCIL DECIDED TO SELL OR LEASE WATERFRONT PROPERTIES BETWEEN C AND F STREET TO MEET STATEHOUSING REQUIREMENTS.

THE CITY IS SOLICITING DEVELOPERS TO BUILD 95 VERY LOW INCOME UNITS IN MIXED USE BUILDINGS TO REPLACE THE EXISTING DIRT PARKING LOT.

>> A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TENDS TO PRIVATIZE THE WATERFRONT AND INTRUDE UPON AND LIMIT PUBLIC USE.

THIS WOULD DENY THE CITIZENS OF EUREKA FROM THIS ASSET.

OVERWHELMING A PLAN WAS PREFERRED WITH MORE OPEN SPACE AND RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES.

>> WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS.

WE NEED TO BUILD HOUSING.

AND WE COULD SPEND ALL DAY COMING UP WITH EVERY SINGLE LITTLE PROBLEM THAT WE MIGHT SEE WITH EVERY SINGLE PROPOSAL THAT WILL COME IN FRONT OF YOU OR WE CAN FINALLY PRIORITIZE OUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS WHO NEED THIS HOUSING.

>> BEAUTIFUL OLD TOWN NEEDS THIS PARKING AREA FOR EVENTS SUCH AS FRIDAY NIGHT MARKET, FARMER'S MARKET, ARTS ALIVE, ET CETERA, AS WELL AS DAILY BUSINESS USE.

I HAVE THREE LEGALLY PERMITTED AIR B&B IN OLD TOWN.

MANY TOURISTS CANCEL OR STAY JUST FROM DRIVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DUE TO FEELING UNSAFE FROM THE ISSUE OF TRANSIENTS IN THE AREA.

I BELIEVE THESE CANCELLATIONS WILL INCREASE IF VERY LOW INCOME HOUSING GETS PUT HERE DECREASING INCOME TO ME AND THE CITY.

IT WILL DECREASE EVERYONE'S PROPERTY VALUES IN OLD TOWN.

>> THIS IS PEOPLE THAT WORK IN RESTAURANTS.

THIS IS PEOPLE WHO WORK IN MOTELS, HOTELS, TEACHERS.

THESE ARE PEOPLE.

I HEARD A LOT OF NEGATIVE TALK.

>> TO QUALIFY FOR THE APARTMENTS A SINGLE PERSON HAS TO MAKE LESS THAN ROUGHLY $24,000 A YEAR, A NEAM OF FOUR LESS THAN $31,000.

THE CITY COUNCIL VOTED 3-2 AND MOULTON AND CONTRERAS-DELOACH ASSENTING.

IN RESPONSE A NEW GROUP CALLED CITIZENS FOR A BETTER EUREKA FILED A LAWSUIT TO BLOCK THE CONVERSIONS PENDING FURTHER STUDY OF TRAFFIC, SAFETY AND QUALITY IMPACTS.

INCLUDING FORMER EUREKA ELECTED OFFICIALS.

>> SEVERAL YEARS AGO IT WAS IDENTIFIED IF WE HAD A PLACE LIKE A DAY CENTER, SOMEWHERE PEOPLE COULD BE THAT WAS SAFE DURING THE DAY THAT THAT WOULD BE ONE SOLUTION TO MULTIPLE PROBLEMS.

>> A FEW BLOCKS SOUTH HUMBOLDT COUNTY IS BUYING PROPERTY TO BUILD A HOMELESS NAVIGATION CENTER.

SOCIAL WORKERS AND COMMUNITY GROUPS WILL GUIDE TO OTHER SERVICES.

IT WILL PROVIDE OVERNIGHT SHELTER TO 15 INDIVIDUALS OR COUPLES IN PRIVATE ROOMS.

>> YOU CAN'T TELL PEOPLE TO MOVE ON UNLESS THEY HAVE SOMEWHERE TO GO TO.

NOW WE HAVE A NAVIGATION CENTER.

>> IT GIVES PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP THEMSELVES AND I THINK THAT IS CRITICAL.

WE HAD TO CLOSE ANOTHER SHELTER DOWN IN SOUTHERN HUMBOLDT.

IF THERE WAS A FACILITY LIKE THIS DOWN THERE, THAT NEED WOULDN'T BE BECAUSE WE WOULD ALREADY HAVE THAT.

I KNOW THAT THERE IS GROUPS WORKING TOWARDS THIS GOAL IN ALMOST EVERY COMMUNITY IN HUMBOLDT COUNTY.

>> HOMELESS SERVICE CENTERS MUCH LIKE VERY LOW INCOME HOUSING ATTRACT OPPOSITION FROM NEIGHBORS WORRIED ABOUT INCREASED CRIME, DRUG USE AND LITTER.

OFFICIALS NOTED THAT HOMELESS PEOPLE ALREADY CONGREGATE ACROSS THE STREET FOR THE ST. VINCENT DE PAUL FREE LUNCH PROGRAM.

>> WE ARE RELOCATING A POLICE SUBSTATION IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.

WE ARE GOING HOLD A JOINT PUBLIC MEETING AND HAVING DISCUSSIONS TO MITIGATE THOSE CONCERNS.

>> HAVE A HAPPY EASTER WEEKEND, EVERYBODY.

STAY TUNED, STAY INFORMED.

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