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>> COMING UP NEXT ON "HEADLINE HUMBOLDT," THE EUREKA CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES A REPORT FROM POLICE REVIEW CONSULTANTS THAT SHOWS ANOTHER SIDE TO THE VIOLENCE AT CAL POLY HUMBOLDT'S GAZA PROTESTS.

ALSO, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR TOM WHEELER FROM EPIC IS HERE TO DISCUSS WIND POWER AND HIS RECENT TRIP TO EUROPE WHERE HE TOURED A SIMILAR FACILITY THAT HAS BEEN OPERATIONAL FOR SOME TIME.

COMING UP NOW ON "HEADLINE HUMBOLDT."

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THE LONG AND DIFFICULT PROCESS TO SEE A WIND POWER PROJECT BUILT OFF THE COAST OF HUMBOLDT BAY CONTINUES AS LOCAL TRIBES, ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS, GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, AND OTHERS WORK TO SETTLE DIFFERENCES AND DEVELOP THE BEST PROJECT POSSIBLE.

IT PROMISES A CLEANER ENERGY FUTURE, GOOD JOBS, AND GRID STABILITY, BUT THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF THE PROJECT HAVE SOME CONCERNED.

A NUMBER OF FOLKS, INCLUDING TODAY'S GUEST, RECENTLY TOURED A NORWEGIAN WIND POWER FACILITY TO GET A SENSE OF THE PROJECT AND BECOME BETTER ACQUAINTED WITH THE POSSIBLE BENEFITS AND IMPACTS.

TOM WHEELER, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION INFORMATION CENTER, OR EPIC, WILL JOIN US SHORTLY TO DISCUSS THE TRIP AND ANY INSIGHTS GAINED.

BUT FIRST, THE NEWS.

THE EUREKA CITY COUNCIL THIS WEEK RECEIVED AN INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS OF POLICE ACTIONS DURING THE RECENT SPATE OF GAZA WAR PROTESTS AT CAL POLY HUMBOLDT, AND IN THE PROCESS SAW NEW VIDEO THAT FURTHER UNDERLINED THE INTENSITY OF THE VIOLENCE THAT OCCURRED IN SIEMENS HALL.

THE REVIEW WAS PERFORMED BY OIR GROUP, A POLICE AUDITING AGENCY OUT OF LONG BEACH, THAT SERVES THE EUREKA POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THE GROUP'S PRIMARY FINDING WAS THAT THE VIOLENT CONFRONTATION BETWEEN POLICE AND PROTESTERS ON APRIL 22ND REVEALED A LACK OF EFFECTIVE PLANNING AND POOR COMMAND.

THERE WAS NO CLEAR UNIFIED INCIDENT COMMAND AND NO CONTINGENCY PLANNING IN PLACE IF THE CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGED.

FOR EXAMPLE, HOW TO RESPOND IF THE CROWD SIZE OVERWHELMED LAW ENFORCEMENT'S CAPACITY OR PROTESTERS BECAME VIOLENT, THE REPORT NOTES.

GIVEN THE SITUATION EUREKA POLICE OFFICERS WERE PUT IN, THEY RESPONDED AS BEST THEY COULD, THE AUDITORS FOUND.

THE AUDITORS ALSO DETERMINED THAT THE VIDEOTAPED VIOLENCE THAT WENT VIRAL SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED.

THERE WAS NO IMMEDIATE THREAT BEYOND VANDALISM OF UNIVERSITY'S PROPERTY AT THE TIME OFFICERS STAGED IN THE FOYER AND NO URGENT NEED FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT INTERVENTION, THE REPORT STATES.

POLICE CHIEF BRIAN STEPHENS WAS AT TUESDAY'S CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND LED OFF THE PRESENTATION.

>> THE END OF THE EVENING WE REALIZED WE WERE OUTNUMBERED.

THE MISSION HAD BECOME CONVOLUTED AND THERE WAS NO REAL GUIDANCE BEING GIVEN FROM CAL POLY PERSONNEL AND OUR EFFORTS WERE MUTE AT THAT POINT.

SO WE DECIDED TO VACATE THE AREA.

CAL POLY ADMINISTRATION BEGAN TO TRY TO NEGOTIATE WITH PERSONS, GET THEM OUT OF THE HALL.

WHEN THAT WAS UNSUCCESSFUL AND DEALING WITH A LARGE GROUP OF ONLOOKERS AND PROTESTERS, WE DECIDED TO LEAVE.

I WOULD SAY WE WERE OUTNUMBERED AT LEAST 10 TO 1 JUST WITH THE PEOPLE ON THE OUTSIDE ON THE QUAD.

IT WAS NOT A CONDUCIVE SITUATION FOR THE SAFETY OF THE OFFICERS THAT WERE LEFT ON SCENE.

>> SO WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN IS THE INTERACTION THAT HAPPENED BETWEEN THE PROTESTERS AND OFFICERS AND DEPUTIES UPFRONT.

YOU SAW USE OF FORCE TAKE PLACE.

WHAT YOU DON'T SEE IN THAT VIDEO AS MUCH IS THE OFFICER TRAPPED BEHIND THE THING.

SO THIS IS THE BODY CAMERA VIDEO FROM THE OFFICER DIRECTLY TO THE LEFT OF THE OFFICER THAT GOT TRAPPED AND WAS GETTING ASSAULTED.

SO NOT ONLY DID THE OFFICER'S LEGS GET TRAPPED, ONCE THEY WERE BEING PUSHED OVER THERE WAS A PROTESTER ACTIVELY PUNCHING AND KICKING THE LEGS OF THE OFFICER WHILE THIS WAS ALL GOING ON.

YOU WILL SEE IN THIS VIDEO THAT THE TALL DEPUTY THAT WAS STANDING THERE GETTING HIT WITH THE WATER BOTTLE ACTUALLY HAS HIS HAND BEHIND THE OFFICER HOLDING ON TO HER AND USING FORCE TO GET HER UP FROM THE PINNED POSITION.

AND SO THIS IS JUST THE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT YOU'VE SEEN, BUT THIS IS THE PIECE YOU CAN'T SEE NECESSARILY FROM THE PUBLIC VIEW.

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>> WHAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT IN THIS PARTICULAR INCIDENT IS THAT BEFORE EPD EVEN ARRIVED TO THE SCENE, THERE HAD BEEN A DECISION BY UNIVERSITY ADMINISTRATION TO CONSIDER THE INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE INSIDE SIEMENS HALL TO BE TRESPASSING AND VANDALIZING AND SO THE CALL FOR SERVICE AND MUTUAL AID REQUEST WAS MADE TO HELP ARREST THOSE INDIVIDUALS.

THAT WAS A DECISION THAT WAS MADE BEFORE EDP WAS ON THE SCENE AND ENGAGED.

AND SO SOON AFTER, ONCE EPD ARRIVED AND THE DECISION WAS MADE TO START TO EXECUTE THOSE ARRESTS, SOME IN THE CROWD, AS YOU SAW IN THE VIDEO, BEGAN THROWING CANS, PAINT, FOOD, AND OTHERWISE.

AND IN OUR REVIEW OF THIS AND OUR REVIEW OF OTHER CROWDS, THOSE INDIVIDUALS, WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE REPRESENTING THE ENTIRETY OF THE CROWD, THEY WERE INTENDED TO INCITE VIOLENCE WITH OTHERS WITHIN THAT CROWD.

THE DECISION WAS MADE OUTSIDE OF EPD'S SPAN OF CONTROL TO CONSIDER THAT UNLAWFUL ASSEMBLY.

SO THE ENTIRETY OF THAT CROWD WAS THEN PUT ON NOTICE THAT THEY WERE PART OF THIS UNLAWFUL ASSEMBLY WITHIN SIEMENS HALL.

>> IT ALL REALLY BOILS DOWN TO OUR KIND OF CONCLUSION WHICH IS EPD OFFICERS AND THE SERGEANT WHO RESPONDED THAT NIGHT STEPPED INTO A SITUATION THAT WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY EXPECTED BASED ON THE REQUEST FOR HELP THAT WENT OUT AND THE INFORMATION THEY HAD RECEIVED.

IT WAS A SITUATION THAT THEY REALIZED WHEN THEY GOT THERE THAT DID NOT HAVE A CONCRETE PLAN.

NO CLEAR OBJECTIVE.

AND REALLY GAVE LITTLE OR NO CHANCE FOR WHAT WE MIGHT CONSIDER TO BE A SUCCESSFUL RESOLUTION THAT NIGHT.

AND YET THE OFFICER SERGEANT WHO RESPONDED DID NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REALLY DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT IN THE MOMENT.

AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE RULES OF THE GOVERNING, HOW AGENCIES RESPOND IN THESE MUTUAL AID SITUATIONS.

THERESA IS GOING TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT IN JUST A MOMENT.

BUT ONCE THEY BEGAN ENGAGING WITH THE PROTESTERS THEY QUICKLY BECAME OVERWHELMED, AS YOU SAW IN THAT VIDEO.

AND WE FOUND THAT THEY WERE PUT IN A SPOT WHERE THE USE OF FORCE WAS NECESSARY IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE OFFICER AND IN ORDER TO SAFELY PULL BACK AND DISENGAGE FROM THAT SITUATION.

>> A NEW PROGRAM THROUGH THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY WILL PROVIDE $88 MILLION TO UPDATE AND IMPROVE CALIFORNIA'S LEAST EFFICIENT ELECTRIC GRID, ONE THAT SERVES THE HOOPA, YUROK, AND KARUK TRIBES.

THE MONEY COMES FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY'S GRIT -- GRID RESILIENCE AND INNOVATIVE PARTNERSHIPS, OR GRIP, PROGRAM, AND ACCORDING TO THE PRESS RELEASE WILL SIGNIFICANTLY ADVANCE TRIBAL ENERGY SOVEREIGNTY, CLIMATE RESILIENCE, EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES, AND CLEAN ENERGY INNOVATION.

THIS 142 MILE-LONG DISTRIBUTION CIRCUIT EXPERIENCES SOME OF THE MOST FREQUENT AND LONGEST OUTAGES IN CALIFORNIA.

THE THREE TRIBES ARE COLLABORATING WITH BLUE LAKE RANCHERIA, THE REDWOOD COAST ENERGY AUTHORITY, PG&E, AND THE SCHATZ ENERGY RESEARCH CENTER AT CAL POLY HUMBOLDT TWO DEVELOP MICROGRID SOLUTIONS.

THE PROJECT WILL DEPLOY THREE NESTED MICROGRIDS FOR THE HOOPA, YUROK, AND KARUK TRIBES, AND DEVELOPMENT OF A COMPLEX CONTROL SYSTEM THAT SUPPORTS RUGGED, RURAL, AND WILDFIRE-PRONE ENVIRONMENTS.

THIS PROJECT DRAMATICALLY IMPROVES ENERGY RESILIENCY ON OUR RESERVATION AND REPRESENTS A MAJOR STEP TOWARD OUR GOAL OF ENERGY SOVEREIGNTY, SAID YUROK TRIBAL CHAIRMAN JOSEPH JAMES.

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>> FOLLOWING OUR LAST STORY AND SPEAKING OF POWER, JOINING US NOW IN STUDIO IS TOM WHEELER, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVOCACY GROUP, EPIC.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> LET'S START BIG.

WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT WIND.

FIRST LET'S TALK ABOUT EPIC.

WHAT IS EPIC?

IF IT MADE A NAME FOR ITSELF IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL MOVEMENT ACROSS THE WORLD.

CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT IT IS AND WHAT ITS MISSION IS?

>> WE ARE AN ENVIRONMENTAL ADVOCACY GROUP IN ARCATA, CALIFORNIA.

WE ARE DEDICATED TO PROTECTING THE WILD PLACES AND WILD LIFE OF OUR REGION.

>> OKAY.

SO WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT PEOPLE MIGHT RECOGNIZE AS IMPORTANT ISSUES THAT WE'RE ALL GLAD HAVE SUCCEEDED IN TERMS OF ENVIRONMENTALISM.

>> LONG-TERM NORTH COAST RESIDENTS WILL REMEMBER US FROM THE TIMBER WARS WHEN WE WERE ACTIVE IN FIGHTING THE LOGGING OF OLD GROWTH REDWOODS ON INDUSTRIAL TIMBERLANDS.

WE STILL DO PRIVATE TIMBER REFORM.

WE DO PUBLIC LANDS MONITORING, WE DO CLEAN WATER ENFORCEMENT AS WELL AS CLIMATE READINESS FOR OUR REGION.

>> NOW, WE WERE TALKING BEFORE THE SHOW ABOUT HOW THE LANDSCAPE, NO PUN INTENDED, BETWEEN WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN THE TIMBER WARS AND NOW HAS CHANGED BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL MOVEMENT TO A LARGE DEGREE.

THAT IS PROGRESS THAT HAS BEEN MADE AND YOU WERE FORMATIVE IN THAT SO I WANT TO MENTION THAT.

YOU GUYS ARE INVOLVED WITH SEVERAL OTHER GROUPS IN RELATION TO SORT OF HELPING TO GUIDE THIS PROCESS OR DEVELOP THE STANDARDS AND STUFF THAT ARE GOING INTO THE WIND POWER PROJECT.

CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE ROLE YOU ARE PLAYING AND WHY THE TRIP TO NORWAY WAS PART OF WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING TO DO?

>> SURE.

CLIMATE CHANGE IS GOING RADICALLY IMPACT THE NORTH COAST TO HIGHER TEMPERATURES THAT WILL LEAD TO MORE SEVERE WILDFIRES.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE PARK FIRE RIGHT NOW, FOR EXAMPLE.

THAT IS A PREVIEW FOR WHAT IS TO COME.

MORE SEVERE WILD FAIR SEASON.

SEA LEVEL RISE, HUMBOLDT BAY WILL EXPERIENCE SEA LEVEL RISE FASTER THAN THE COAST BECAUSE WE ARE SUBSIDING INTO THE OCEAN.

>> A DOUBLE WHAMMY.

>> A DOUBLE WHAMMY.

WE ARE TAKING THE POSSIBLE OF WIND ENERGY SERIOUSLY BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THIS SHOW PROBABLY FOLKS WATCHING AT HOME, THEY ARE USING POWER GENERATED FROM NATURAL GAS BEING BURNED AT THE HUMBOLDT BAY GENERATING STATION.

THE USE OF FOSSIL FUELS GOT US INTO THIS SITUATION.

WIND AND SOLAR ARE SOLUTIONS TO THIS PROBLEM.

>> YEAH.

SO YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN ON THE FOREFRONT OF THE ADVOCACY FOR THESE KINDS OF SOLUTIONS.

WHAT DID YOU FIND IN NORWAY AND DID THAT SORT OF HELP YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT YOUR PROSPECTS OR DID THEY RAISE SOME CONCERNS?

>> SO NORWAY IS AN OIL RICH COUNTRY LIKE THE UNITED STATES.

AND THEY'VE RECOGNIZED THAT THEY NEED TO ALSO MOVE FROM OIL TO WIND ENERGY OR OTHER FORMS OF RENEWABLE ENERGY.

SO IT WAS VERY COOL TO GO TO NORWAY.

I THINK THEY ARE SLIGHTLY AHEAD OF US.

ALL THE CARS SEEMINGLY WERE ELECTRIC.

THEY HAD WIND TURBINES EVERYWHERE.

THERE WAS SOLAR EVERYWHERE.

SO THEY ARE TAKING CONCRETE STEPS AS A NATION TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO IT WAS SOMEWHAT A LOOK INTO OUR FUTURE IN THE UNITED STATES.

WE ARE PLANNING IN CALIFORNIA TO DO MANY OF THE SAME THINGS THAT NORWAY IS DOING.

WE ARE GOING PROHIBIT THE SALE OF NEW INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINES IN CALIFORNIA BY 2045, FOR EXAMPLE.

TO GO TO NORWAY WAS TO KIND OF LOOK INTO OUR FUTURE AND SEE THIS FLOATING OFFSHORE WIND FARM THAT HAS DEMONSTRATOR TYPE TURBINES, FLOATING OFFSHORE TURBINES THAT ARE ACTIVELY POWERING THE NORWEGIAN GRID.

>> I WANT TO GET INTO THOSE CONCLUSIONS.

WHO WAS THE COMPANY ON THE TRIP?

WAS IT DIFFERENT GROUPS?

>> YEAH.

IT WAS A MIXTURE OF GROUPS, IT WAS MYSELF AND TOGETHER WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM BEAR RIVER, KARUK, AND TRINIDAD RANCHERIA.

SO WE HAD A LARGE TRAVEL COMPONENT ON THIS TRIP.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING THINGS FOR ME WAS TO SEE THE PROJECT THROUGH THEIR EYES.

A NUMBER OF THESE TRIBES HAVE ISSUED PROCLAMATIONS IN OPPOSITION TO OFFSHORE WIND.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE LONG, DEEP CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THEIR CONCERNS WITH OFFSHORE WIND AND WHAT MIGHT ALSO MAKE THEM EXCITED ABOUT THIS FOR THE FUTURE.

>> THEY WERE ABLE TO SEE CLOSE UP WHAT IT MIGHT SORT OF LOOK LIKE.

THESE AREN'T EXACTLY WHAT YOU WILL BE SEEING OFF HUMBOLDT BAY.

>> IN NORWAY THE LARGER TURBINE WAS 3.7 MEGAWATTS.

IN 2037 WHEN THEY EXPECT THIS PROJECT TO BE OPERATIONAL IN HUMBOLDT COUNTY, WE ARE ANTICIPATED 20 MEGAWATT TURBINES.

THE LARGER TURBINES WE HAVE ARE 14 MEGAWATT TURBINES.

WE HAVE TO IMAGINE WHAT DOESN'T EXIST YET.

WIND ENERGY IS SCALEABLE.

THE AMOUNT OF POWER YOU GET IS THE AREA YOU CAN CAPTURE WIND, THE ROTOR SWEPT AREA.

WE NEED TO IMAGINE A LARGER ROTOR SWEPT AREA, A TALLER TURBINE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT AND THAT IS FUNCTIONALLY WHAT WE WILL HAVE.

AND UPSCALE THE SIZE OF THE FLOATING PLATFORMS THEY ARE ON AS WELL.

>> YEAH.

ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAS BEEN RAISED IN HUMBOLDT COUNTY ABOUT THIS ISSUE IS THE IMPACT ON FISHERIES.

WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE FISHERIES THAT WORK AROUND THESE TURBINES?

HOW HAS THEIR RELATIONSHIP BEEN SHAPED BETWEEN PEOPLE WHO FISH FOR A LIVING AND THE TURBINES?

>> NORWAY STILL HAS A ROBUST FISHING INDUSTRY.

THE FISHERIES ARE DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF FISHERY.

IN HUMBOLDT COUNTY THINGS LIKE DEEP SEA FISHING IS GOING BE DIFFERENT, RIGHT?

WE CAN'T PULL THAT THROUGH AN AREA THAT HAS FLOATING WIND TURBINES BECAUSE THEY COULD GET CAUGHT.

OTHER TYPES OF FISHING, ANGLING, SOMEBODY IS OFF THE BACK OF THE BOAT AND CASTING A LINE SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH OFFSHORE WIND.

ON THE EAST COAST TURBINES ARE HOT SPOTS BECAUSE FISH ARE AROUND THE TURBINES.

>> WHAT YOU SAW IN NORWAY THAT WAS CONCERNING TO YOU?

DID YOU SEE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THE PROJECT THERE?

>> NORWAY IS SIMILAR TO HUMBOLDT, BUT IT IS ALSO VERY DIFFERENT.

WE HAVE DIFFERENT MARINE WILD LIFE OUT HERE.

THIS HAS NEVER BEEN TESTED ON THE WEST COAST.

WE HAVE NO FIXED BOTTOM OR FLOATING WIND POWER ON THE WEST COAST.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NORWAY AND EUROPE HAS BEEN DEVELOPING SINCE 1991.

THAT WAS THE FIRST FIXED BOTTOM OFFSHORE WIND PROJECT.

THINGS ARE GOING BE DIFFERENT ON THE WEST COAST.

WHAT I WANT TO SEE IS I WANT A PROCESS IN PLACE SO IF THERE IS AN IMPACT UNANTICIPATED THAT WE COULD GO AND ADDRESS THAT IMPACT DURING OPERATIONS.

SO IF, FOR SOME REASON, IT WAS IMPACTING A BIRD SPECIES WE HASN'T ANTICIPATED, THERE IS ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS GOING IN, I WANT TO GO BACK TO ADD THINGS IN PLACE TO REDUCE THOSE IMPACTS.

>> YOU ARE DESCRIBING AN ONGOING RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PEOPLE INTERESTED IN MONITORING WILD LIFE.

COMPANIES AFTER A PROFIT ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT RELATIONSHIP.

HOW CAN YOU OR OTHERS SECURE THAT SITUATION LONG TERM WITH THESE COMPANIES AS WE GET CLOSER TO BEGINNING CONSTRUCTION?

>> SO ALL THESE THINGS ARE GOING HAVE TO BE NEGOTIATED AND WE ARE GOING TO GET THEM IN WRITING.

THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.

WE ARE NOT GOING TRUST ANY PROMISES, BUT GET COMMITMENTS IN WRITING AND HAVE THEM BE LEGALLY ENFORCEABLE.

THAT IS OUR BREAD AND BUTTER, ENFORCING ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS.

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK THE MOST SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS FOR FOLKS IN HUMBOLDT COUNTY ARE GOING BE IN TERMS OF WIND TURBINES THAT GET BUILT?

PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE VIEW SCAPE AND SEEING THEM ONLY WITH BY -- BINOCULARS.

WE WILL SEE THEM BROUGHT IN AND OUT FOR MAINTENANCE OCCASIONALLY.

WHAT ARE PEOPLE GOING NOTICE?

WHAT MIGHT CONCERN THEM AND WHAT SHOULD THEY BE PREPARED FOR, I GUESS?

SO WE ARE NOT SHOCKING PEOPLE WHEN THIS SHOWS UP.

THEY KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT.

>> AS YOU SAY, THE OPERATIONAL OFFSHORE WIND TURBINES IS ON THE HORIZON AND WILL BE DIFFICULT TO SEE.

ONE THING THAT IS BEING DISCUSSED IS BUILDING THOSE WIND TURBINES IN HUMBOLDT BAY BECAUSE WE HAVE A DEEP WATER PORT CAPABLE OF BUILDING AND SERVICING THOSE WIND TURBINES.

WHEN THEY ARE BUILT OR SERVICED THEY MAY BE IN HUMBOLDT BAY AND THESE ARE LARGE MACHINES.

1,200 FEET TALL POTENTIALLY.

SO THAT IS GOING DISTINCTLY BE IN HUMBOLDT BAY.

THERE ARE VIEW HEAD IMPACTS, AS THEY ARE CALLED, FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE THE SITE OF A WIND TURBINE.

OTHER FOLKS LIKE THE SIGHT OF A WIND TURBINE.

FOR ME, IT GIVES ME A SENSE OF HOPE WE ARE DOING SOMETHING ON CLIMATE CHANGE.

THERE ARE GOING BE IMPACTS IN THE BAY FROM CONSTRUCTION OF THE PORT FACILITY, NOISE IMPACTS DURING CONSTRUCTION.

THESE ARE GOING BE TEMPORARY IMPACTS.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT EPIC HAS BEEN PUSHING FOR HAS BEEN TO DEVELOP THE PORT IN A SUSTAINABLE MANNER AS POSSIBLE.

AND FOR US THAT MEANS TRYING TO REDUCE EMISSIONS RELATED TO CONSTRUCTION.

SO TRYING TO HAVE ALL ELECTRIC EQUIPMENT WHERE FEASIBLE TO BUILD OUR RENEWABLE ENERGY FUTURE >> YEAH.

NOW YOU GUYS, WHAT IS YOUR ROLE RIGHT NOW IN THE PROCESS?

ARE YOU DOING THIS AS A COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT AGENCY OR HAVE YOU BEEN BROUGHT IN BY THE BUSINESSES WHO ARE TRYING TO DO THIS?

WHAT IS YOUR OFFICIAL ROLE AND HOW DOES THAT PLAY OUT LONG TERM?

>> WE ARE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVOCATES.

WE ARE THERE TO WATCH THE PROCESS, PARTICIPATE IN PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PORTALS AND ENGAGE WITH WIND ENERGY DEVELOPERS AND OTHER FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY WORKING ON THIS PROJECT.

WE HAVE A FULL-TIME STAFF MEMBER WHOSE JOB IS SOLELY WORKING ON OFFSHORE WIND AND I'M SURE WE COULD USE TWO OR THREE MORE FOLKS JUST TO DO THIS.

>> I'M SURE.

>> SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GOING DO.

WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GO TO PUBLIC MEETINGS, PUT IN PUBLIC COMMENT, WORK WITH WIND DEVELOPERS TO TELL THEM WHAT WE EXPECT FROM THEM.

WE ARE GOING WORK WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO HAVE A LARGER CHORUS FOR THOSE MESSAGES.

>> WHAT TYPICALLY HAS HAPPENED IN HUMBOLDT COUNTY'S HISTORY IS COMPANIES HAVE PROPOSED THINGS AND PEOPLE HAVE THE NO-DEVELOPMENT CONTINGENT.

THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS LARGELY ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS.

HOW IS THAT DYNAMIC BEEN BETWEEN YOURSELF AND YOUR ALLIED ORGANIZATIONS AND THE BUSINESS FOLKS WHO ARE TRYING TO PROPOSE THIS?

HAS THERE BEEN TENSION OR HAS IT BEEN REFRESHING TO HAVE A CONSTRUCTIVE RELATIONSHIP FOR ONCE?

>> IT'S INTERESTING.

I SHOULD CLARIFY.

WE ARE NOT NECESSARILY IN FAVOR OF THIS INDIVIDUAL PROJECT.

>> OKAY.

>> IT IS STILL NOT A DECISION THAT HAS BEEN MADE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO GO FORWARD.

WE WILL CHECK OUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS BEFORE COMING TO A CONCLUSION.

>> YOU ARE IN SUPPORT OF WIND POWER, NOT NECESSARILY THIS PROJECT?

>> EXACTLY.

WE SHOULD BE OPEN TO THE POTENTIAL OF THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS AND CONSIDER WITH AN OPEN HEART AND DO OUR BEST TO ENSURE THIS IS GOING BE A BENEFIT FOR HUMBOLDT COUNTY AND FOR OUR ENVIRONMENT.

THESE SORTS OF PROJECTS ARE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.

WE CAN'T SAY NO TO EVERYTHING.

WE NEED POWER FOR OUR SOCIETY AND WIND POWER WELL SUITS SOLAR AND ALL THE OTHER PROGRAMS WE HAVE GOING ON IN CALIFORNIA, THIS IS A NECESSARY COMPONENT TO GET US TO 100% RENEWABLE ENERGY FUTURE.

THIS IS LIKELY COMING FROM FRACKED NATURAL GAS.

WE CAN TRANSITION OUR POWER LOCALLY.

>> THIS WOULD ULTIMATELY MAKE US MORE ENERGY INDEPENDENT AND MAYBE GET US AWAY FROM SOME OF THE LONG STANDING INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES WITH PG&E WITH TRANSMISSION LINES THAT LEAD TO WILDFIRES AND ALL WE'VE SEEN IN THAT REGARD.

THERE ARE DOWN CURRENT EFFECTS WE CAN HOPEFULLY SEE AS WELL FROM THIS KIND OF PROJECT, RIGHT?

>> TOTALLY.

THERE ARE A LOT OF POTENTIAL BENEFITS FOR OUR REGION.

IMPROVED ENERGY GRID IS ONE OF THOSE.

WE HAVEN'T HAD A MAJOR INVESTMENT IN OUR ENERGY GRID IN 60 YEARS.

I'M EXCITED ABOUT FAMILY WAGE BLUE COLLAR JOBS CONSTRUCTING OUR FUTURE.

THESE ARE UNION JOBS WITH TRIBAL HIRING PREFERENCES AND THAT'S VERY EXCITING FOR ME, TO BUILD A MORE JUST AND EQUITABLE ECONOMY WHILE TACKLING CLIMATE CHANGE.

>> IT IS LIKE PUTTING WHERE YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS OR LIVING THE WAY OF LIFE WE HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR FINALLY.

THAT BRINGS ME TO THE BIGGEST SORT OF PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION ABOUT THIS.

I WAS TALKING TO SOMEONE EARLIER ABOUT THE WIND POWER PROJECTS AND IMPACTS.

THEY WERE LIKE WE CAN BUILD AS MANY WIND FARMS BUT UNTIL WE ADDRESS THE CONSUMPTION SIDE OF POWER AND IMPACT ON OUR ENVIRONMENT WE ARE NEVER GOING TO GET THERE.

IS THAT BATTLE LOST, DO YOU THINK?

HOW CAN WE MAKE THAT MORE PART OF OUR CULTURAL WHERE WE ARE NOT CONSUMING AS MUCH POWER OR REQUIRING AS MUCH TO GET THROUGH OUR DAILY LIVES.

>> THAT'S NOT LOST.

THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE ALSO WORKING ON.

WE ARE ENGAGING IN THE HUMBOLDT COUNTY CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UNDER DEVELOPMENT.

WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO STRUCTURE SOCIETY TO USE LESS POWER GENERALLY.

CAN WE HAVE THINGS CO LOCATED NEAR THINGS, HOUSING NEAR PLACES WHERE PEOPLE WORK.

THAT IS IMPORTANT.

SOMETHING ELSE IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IS WE ARE USING LESS POWER PER PERSON NOW THAN IN THE LAST 50 YEARS.

>> WOW.

>> SO WE ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.

WE ARE INVESTING AS A COUNTRY IN ENERGY EFFICIENCY.

AND THIS IS GOING BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION AS WELL.

RIGHT?

WE BOTH NEED TO USE LESS POWER, BUT WE NEED TO ENSURE WHATEVER POWER WE DO NEED, BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE POWER NEEDS, IS COMING FROM A CLEAN RENEWABLE SOURCE.

>> I HAD SEEN THIS THING ON THE INTERNET RECENTLY, IT WAS BASICALLY A REAL-LIFE MODEL, AN ILLUSTRATION OF CARBON PRODUCTION IN THE COUNTRY AND HOW IT MOVES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

AND, LIKE, WEST OF THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS WE WERE DOING OKAY.

TOWARD THE SOUTH AND EAST THESE PLUMES OF BROWN GAS, THE CARBON AND THE DEMONSTRATION WERE JUST, YOU KNOW, POLLUTING THE ENVIRONMENT.

IT JUST SHOWED ME THERE IS A LONG BATTLE TO BE FOUGHT AND PARTS LIKE THIS ARE VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR FUTURE AND FIGURING OUT HOW TO GET AWAY FROM THAT INDUSTRIAL CONSUMPTION AND BEHAVIOR.

YOU GUYS ARE EPIC.

YOU ARE SUPPORTED PARTLY AT LEAST BY DONATIONS, RIGHT?

IF FOLKS APPRECIATE THE WORK THEY ARE DOING, AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT IT FURTHER, WHAT CAN THEY DO TO LEND THEIR SUPPORT?

>> SURE.

CHECK US OUT AT WILDCALIFORNIA.ORG.

WE HAVE A NEWSLETTER THAT COMES OUT EVERY OTHER WEEK WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES IN THE NORTH COAST AND HAVE WAYS FOR PEOPLE TO GET INVOLVED, IF THEY ARE INTERESTED.

WE WOULD LOVE YOUR SUPPORT AGAIN WILDCALIFORNIA.ORG.

>> YOU ALSO HAVE A PODCAST.

>> THE ECO-NEWS REPORT.

CHECK IT OUT ON ALL MAJOR PLATFORMS.

I'M HOST OF THE ENVIRONMENT SHOW, SECOND TUESDAY AT 7:00 P.M. >> I HEARD THEY ARE RADIO PUBLIC TELEVISION BROADCASTING.

WE ARE ALIVE THAT WAY.

>> YEAH.

WE ARE FRIENDS IN PUBLIC MEDIA.

>> LAST QUESTION I WANT TO END WITH, YOU DECIDED TO BECOME AN ENVIRONMENTAL ATTORNEY.

WHAT DROVE YOU THEN AND DO YOU FEEL THE WORK YOU ARE DOING NOW IS LIVING UP TO THAT EARLY AMBITION?

>> YEAH.

GROWING UP I HEARD A LOT ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE.

I REMEMBER BEING IN FOURTH GRADE AND FEELING TERRIFIED ABOUT MY FUTURE, WHICH IS SOMETHING NO FOURTH GRADER SHOULD.

>> YEAH.

>> SO FROM A VERY EARLY AGE I WAS AN ENVIRONMENTAL ADVOCATE.

I STARTED THE RECYCLING PROGRAM AT MY HIGH SCHOOL AND CONTINUING ENVIRONMENTAL ADVOCACY HAS BEEN A NATURAL FIT.

>> IT SEEMS EPIC IS DOING THE REAL WORK IN THAT REGARD.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING IN.

>> THANK YOU.

>> I APPRECIATE IT.

>> THAT'S IT FOR THIS EVENING.

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