>> COMING UP ON NEXT ON HEADLINE HUMBOLDT.

EUREKA POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION EXPLAINING HOW BUDGET AND OTHER ISSUES HAVE HAMSTRUNG.

ALSO WE INTERVIEW RICHARD BERGSTRESSER AND DARRYL CHINN.

WHY MORE PEOPLE ARE NEEDED TO DO THE WORK.

COMING UP NOW ON HEADLINE HUMBOLDT.

FROM THE TOP OF THE HUMBOLDT HILL.

I'M JAMES FAULK THANKS FOR JOINING US.

IN A PERFECT WORLD WE WOULDN'T NEED POLICE.

THIS WEEK INTERIM JOSEPH COUCH ABOUT HOW FUNDING LIMITATIONS AT THE DEPARTMENT HAVE LED TO DRAMATIC CURTAILMENTS OF STAFFING AND POLICE OFFICERS.

AND I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO UNCONDITIONALLY DEFEND THE POLICE.

THERE'S ABSOLUTELY HAVE BEEN AND WILL UNDOUBTEDLY TO BE ABUSES PEOPLE CAN POINT TO, ABUSES OF PROCESS AND POWER THAT ARE UNACCEPTABLE TO ENFORCE RULES OVER ANOTHER.

THAT SORT OF ABUSE IS ALSO UNAVOIDABLE.

SO THAT THESE ENFORCERS AS ANY CRIMINAL THAN THEY PULL OFF THE STREETS.

POLICE TO MY MIND ARE AN ABSOLUTE PIVOTAL PART IN ANY COMMUNITY.

THEY HAVE TO OPERATE WITHIN THE LAW AND RESPECT THE FACTS THAT THEIR POWER IS CONTINGENT ON THEIR WILLINGNESS TO STAY WITHIN THE STUCKS AND THE LAW.

IRONICALLY THEY ARE VITAL IN MAINTAINING AN OPEN SOCIETY.

THEY ABSOLUTELY ARE.

AND IF THEY ARE GOING TO PUT PEOPLE IN THE POSITION OF BEING THE MORAL AUTHORITY FOR ALL OF US THEY NEED THE INTERVIEW.

FOR THE INTERVIEW WE HAVE RICHARD BERK AND DARRYL FIRST GEN CHINN.

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY ONE INSTANCE WHERE PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT POWER OF ABUSES AND MAKE A POSITIVE DIFFERENCE BY GETTING INVOLVED.

THAT HAVE COME TO IMPACT AND LIMIT.

JOSEPH COUCH INTERIM SAID THAT THE DEPARTMENT SAID IT'S DOING ITS ABSOLUTE BEST TO MEET THE NEEDS.

THE COUCH SPEAK TO ME VIA ZOOM.

IT'S SEEMS TO BE A CONSISTENT ISSUE WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.

WE'VE NEVER INFORMED THE PUBLIC WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH AND HOW THE STAFFING STRUGGLES HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT AND WE'RE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO BATTLE THAT AND ANSWER EVERY CALL FOR SERVICE THAT COMES TO US, AND TRY TO DO IN THE MOST PROFESSIONAL AND PROMPT MANNER THAT WE CAN.

YOU KNOW WE'RE A BUSY DEPARTMENT THAT RECEIVES A LOT OF CALLS FOR SERVICE DAY IN AND DAY OUT.

EVERY OFFICER WORKING CONSISTENTLY RESPONDS TO THOSE CALLS AND HANDLES THEM AS BEST AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN.

WITH THE DISBANDING WITH SOME OF OUR SPECIALTY UNITS THAT KIND OF ALLEVIATED A LOT OF THOSE CALLS IT'S PLACED A LARGER BURDEN ON OUR PATROL OFFICERS.

WE STILL RECEIVE A LOT OF COMPLAINTS FOR TRAFFIC RELATED ISSUES, FOR HIGH-SPEED VEHICLES OR RECKLESS DRIVERS AND THOSE ARE COMPLAINTS THAT OUR TRAFFIC DIVISION USED TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE IF THEY WERE WORKING DURING THE TIME THOSE COMPLAINTS WOULD COME IN.

WE HAVEN'T HAD A TRAFFIC UNIT SINCE BEFORE I STARTED WORKING SEVEN YEARS AGO.

SAME THING WITH THE WARRANT POLICING UNIT.

AND ISSUES RELATED TO PROBLEM HOUSES, DRUG RELATED HOUSES, LARGE AMOUNT OF FOOT TRAFFIC, VEHICLE TRAFFIC.

THAT UNIT GOT DISBANDED IN '22.

WITH OUR COMMUNITY SAFETY ENGAGEMENT TEAM.

THEY'RE HANDLING THE MAJORITY OF THE MENTAL HEALTH CALLS.

THEY'RE DEALING WITH THE SUBSTANCE ABUSE ISSUES.

THEY'RE CONSISTENTLY PROVIDING SERVICES TO PEOPLE WHO'RE WILLING TO TAKE PART OF THOSE SERVICES.

RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE A SERGEANT WHO'S IN CHARGE OF THAT UNIT.

A PARK RANGER, A SWORN PARK RANGER AND A NON-SWORN PARK RANGER AND OUR MOBILE INTERVENTION SERVICES TEAM.

THEY WORK TIRELESSLY TO MEET THE OBJECTIVES OF THE UNIT.

BUT THEY'RE CONSISTENTLY BACKING UP PATROL OR COMING IN PATROL OVER TIME WHICH TAKES TIME AWAY TO HANDLE THOSE ISSUES.

>> THE EPOA IS NOT BLAMING THE COUNTY OR ADMINISTRATORS FOR THIS SHORTFALL.

THE LETTER STATES QUOTE WE CALL UPON OUR COMMUNITY TO SUPPORT OUR EFFORTS TO INCREASE OF POLICE OFFICERS TO FULLY OPERATIONAL LEVEL AT THE EUREKA POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND ENCOURAGE OUR COMMUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS.

>> EPOA IS THE VOICE OF NOT ONLY PATROL BUT OUR DISPATCHERS, OUR PROPERTY CLERK, OUR EVIDENCE TECHNICIAN, OUR COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS, OUR ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS.

SO IN MY OPINION I THINK IT WOULD MEAN MORE COMING FROM OUR UNION, OUR ASSOCIATION THE PEOPLE WHO'RE ACTUALLY OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC, DOING THE SERVICES THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED OF US BY THE CITIZENS OF EUREKA.

I THINK IN MY OPINION THAT IT'S MORE IMPACTFUL COMING FROM FROM US.

NOT TO SAY THAT OUR ADMINISTRATION OR COMMAND STAFF WEREN'T CONSIDERING IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE OR NOT.

THEY'VE BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE LETTER BEING RELEASED.

THEY APPRECIATED THE POSITIVE TENOR OF IT.

AND I'VE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.

THEY'RE CONSTANTLY WORKING WITH THE EPOA.

THEY'RE NOT SITTING BACK AND WATCHING IT HAPPEN.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE EPOA HAD MORE THAN ABILITY TO DO IN A PROMPT MANNER.

AND BE A VOICE TO THE PUBLIC.

TO THE CITIZENS OF EUREKA.

>> DETECTIVE COUCH WILL BE IN THE STUDIO NEXT WEEK TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN HELP THE EUREKA POLICE DEPARTMENT.

>> NOW WE HAVE RICHARD BERGSTRESSER AND DARRYL CHINN FROM THE GRAND JURY.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

>> I THINK THERE'S A MULTI-PRONGED MESSAGE TRYING TO GET TODAY.

WHAT IS THE GRAND JURY FOR PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT BE FROM THIS AREA.

DESCRIBE FOR US YOU RICHARD YOU ARE THE CHAIRPERSON.

WHAT IS THE GRAND JURY AND WHAT IS ITS WORK.

>> THE GRAND JURY AND THERE'S ONE IN EVERY COUNTY IN CALIFORNIA.

BEING A WATCHDOG OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

WE LOOK AT ANY CITY,N'T COUNTY ANY SPECIAL DISTRICT.

ANY ELECTED OFFICIALS AND DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THOSE ENTITIES AND LOOK FOR EFFICIENCIES.

IT'S NOT A PUNISHMENT ARM.

IT'S LOOKING TO FIND WAYS TO MAKE THE SERVICES MORE STREAMLINED AND TAX DOLLARS BETTER SPENT.

>> NOW HAVING MENTIONED IT'S ONLY IN CALIFORNIA AND NEVADA.

>> YES.

>> HOW DID THEY END UP WITH A GRAND JURY AND OTHER STATES.

>> NFL KEY CASE IT IS ENSHRINED IN THE STITION CONSTITUTION.

AND HAS MORPHED.

MORE PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE CRIMINAL GRAND JURY.

AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE ON THE TV.

CIVIL GRAND JURY IS A VERY DIFFERENT BEAST.

>> A CRIMINAL GRAND JURY DECIDES WHETHER OR NOT TO HAVE AN INDICTMENT AGAINST THEM WITH EVIDENCE PRESENTED AGAINST THEM BY PROSECUTORS.

>> IN CALIFORNIA THAT'S WHERE COMPLICATED THEY NEED TO APPEAL TO A LARGER BODY TO GET A SENSE OF IT.

>> DARRYL, LET'S BRING YOU INTO THE CONVERSATION.

WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE SERVE ON THE GRAND JURY AND WHY?

>> WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE.

WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE WORKED WITH GOVERNMENT.

SHE'S BEEN A BUREAUCRAT.

SHE'S WRITTEN GRANTS.

>> THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT INSIGHT TO HAVE ON THE GRAND JURY.

>> WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE GRAND JURY BEFORE.

WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S A POLITICAL FUND-RAISER.

WE HAVE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CHEMISTS SO I WOULD SAY THE EXPERIENCE OF THE GRAND JURY AS A WHOLE IS REALLY BROAD WHICH REALLY HELPS.

BECAUSE PEOPLE BRING DIFFERENT INSIGHTS INTO THE DISCUSSIONS.

KNOWLEDGE AND INSIGHT.

>> WHY DID YOU JOIN THE GRAND JURY.

WAS THERE A PARTICULAR ISSUE.

>> I WAS INTERESTED IN THE COMMUNITY SERVICE.

I WANTED TO SEE HOW THINGS IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT ARE RUN.

I DON'T WANT TO RUN FOR POLITICAL OFFICE.

I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT ABOUT 2% OF ME HAS THOUGHT OF IT AND THE REST OF TIME I'VE WANTED TO HELP PEOPLE HELP MYSELF UNDERSTAND HOW THINGS WORK.

>> YEAH.

NOW RICHARD YOU'RE A 4 MURDER POLICE OFFICER.

>> YES.

>> DID THAT PLAY INTO YOUR DECISION TO BE ON THE GRAND JURY.

DO YOU FIND YOURSELF USING THOSE SKILLS.

I WOULDN'T SAY IT PLAYED INTO THE DECISION.

THE DECISION WAS BASED ON A GENUINE WANT TO MAKE THINGS BETTER FOR ALL OF US.

MY SKILLS ABSOLUTELY COME INTO PLAY BECAUSE WE ARE A INVESTIGATORY BODY AND I MADE A LIVING INVESTIGATING THINGS.

I CAN BRING A LOT OF THAT TO THE TABLE I HOPE.

>> DO YOU FIND A CONFLICT OR EVEN JUST SORT OF A STRANGE FEELING SOME OF THE AGENCY YOU'VE BEEN WORKED FOR IN THE PAST.

>> I DON'T FEEL STRANGE AT ALL.

IT GIVES ME INSIGHT THAT CAN HELP THE ENTIRE BODY AS DARRYL WAS SAYING WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE.

THIS IS ONE SPECIFIC WALK OF LIFE WE CAN BRING TO THE GRAND JURY.

>> WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THE GRAND JURY IS IMPORTANT?

EASY QUESTION.

>> I COULD GO ON AND ON.

ESSENTIALLY IT IS THAT WATCHDOG ROLE.

EVERYBODY IS PAYING INTO THE GOVERNMENT IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER.

THE MONEY THAT THE COUNTY IS SPENDING MAY COME FROM LOCAL TAX DOLINGS, FEDERAL THE STATE BUT IT'S STILL ALL OF OUR MONEY.

WE WANT TO SEE THOSE TAX DOLLARS APPLIED IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE.

AS WE KNOW HUMBOLDT COUNTY HAS LOADS OF ISSUES.

EVEN IF WE CAN ADDRESS 1% OR 2%.

WE WANT TO MAKE LIFE BETTER FOR EVERYBODY IN THIS COUNTY.

>> BEFORE THE SHOW DARRYL YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY.

I WANT TO ASK ASK ABOUT THE REAL -- HOW REALISTIC TO EXPECT CITIZENS WHO'RE GENERALLY INFORMED BUT NOT NECESSARILY PARTICULARLY INFORMED WHAT A DEPARTMENT IS DOING OR THE BUREAUCRACY OR ALL OF THAT TO BE ABLE LEARN ENOUGH ABOUT THE INTRICACIES ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT.

ABOUT THESE ISSUES THAT ARE SO COMPLICATED.

CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CHALLENGE OF BEING ABLE TO DO THAT RESEARCH AND WHAT IT REQUIRES OF YOU AND THE OTHER JURORS.

>> IT'S AN ADVANTAGE TO BE WELL-READ ABOUT LOCAL ISSUE.

YOU CAN READ NEWS.

THE GRAND JURY REPORTS ARE ALL PUBLICLY AVAILABLE.

YOU HAVE TO BE CURIOUS.

YOU HAVE TO LISTEN.

OUR PROCESS IS THAT WE DO A LOT OF RESEARCH.

WE GO VISITING AND WE HAVE PEOPLE WE INTERVIEW.

AND THOSE ARE THE WAYS -- AND OUR PERSONAL OBSERVATIONS SO THOSE ARE THE REASON WE BRING TOGETHER THE KNOWLEDGE TO RESEARCH, TO WRITE REPORTS, TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.

>> NOW YOUR EXPERIENCE WITHIN GOVERNMENT PROBABLY HELPS A LITTLE BIT WITH THAT CHALLENGE.

YOU'VE BEEN INSIDE BUREAUCRACY.

YOU HAVE SOMEONE BEEN IN THE BUREAUCRACY AND BROAD RANGE OF EXPERIENCE MAY HELP YOU TO INFORM YOU GUYS IN THE CASE OF THESE COMPLICATED ISSUES.

LAST YEAR YOU ISSUED A REPORT ON THE CHILD WELFARE DEPARTMENT.

AND I MEAN CAN YOU DESCRIBE ABOUT BEING ENOUGH TO MAKE YOUR OPINIONS RELEVANT.

>> WHAT WE HAVE TO DO AND A LEGITIMATE BASE OF KNOWLEDGE.

THAT TAKES A LOT OF WORK.

AND SOMETIMES THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE RESPONDING TO OUR REPORTS STKONT UNDERSTAND.

WE'LL GO THROUGH STACKS OF PAPERWORK, MULTS PULL INTERVIEWS, SITE VISITS AND CAREFULLY WINNOW THAT DOWN TO THE THINGS THAT ARE MOST GERMANE TO THE TOPIC WE'RE LOOKING AT.

A FEW OTHER PEOPLE IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT THAT GIVES US SHORTCUTS BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN IS DEFINITIVE.

WE'RE GOING TO RESEARCH THOSE THINGS THAT ARE RATTLING AROUND IN MY HEAD AND MAKE SURE I'M RIGHT.

SAME THING FOR THE OTHERS.

>> WHO DO YOU DEPEND IN COUNTER.

COUNTY COUNCIL'S OFFICE.

THEY SUPPORT YOU A LITTLE BIT.

THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S -- >> WE HAVE VERY INSTITUTIONAL SUPPORT.

WE HAVE A BUDGET OF $60,000 WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY NOTHING.

WE DON'T HAVE A DEDICATED MEETING ROOM WHICH WE DID PRE-COVID.

WE HAVE ACCESS TO COUNTY COUNCIL FOR CERTAIN ISSUES.

THAT'S THE ONLY STAFF SUPPORT WE REALLY GET.

WE'RE REALLY ON OUR OWN WITH THIS.

SOME GRAND JURIES WILL HAVE AN ATTORNEY ASSIGNED TO THE GRAND JURY.

BUT WE'RE MAKING DO WITH VERY THIN RESOURCES.

>> DO YOU GUYS FIND THAT THE OFFICIALS WITHIN LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

YOU'RE MAINLY DEALING WITH THE COUNTY.

>> NO WE CAN DEAL WITH A WATER DISTRICT OR A FIRE DEPARTMENT OR A COMMUNITY SERVICE DISTRICT.

>> SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WITHIN THE COUNTY.

>> NOT AT ALL.

ANY FUNCTION OF GOVERNMENT AND THAT DOES INCLUDE SPECIAL DISTRICTS A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT SPECIAL DISTRICTS.

FIRE DISTRICTS.

WATER DISTRICTS, ET CETERA ET CETERA.

SO ANY OF THOSE ARE ABLE TO BE INVESTIGATED BY THE GRAND JURY.

>> DO YOU FIND YOU GET ENOUGH RESPECT FROM THE INDIVIDUALS YOU'RE INTERVIEWING BOTH IN PERSON AND ALSO IN THEIR RESPONSES.

DARRYL, YOU WANT TO TRY THAT ONE >> WE HAVE THE BACKING OF STATE LAW.

IF WE ASK FOR SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO GIVE IT TO US.

YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO TELL ANYBODY ELSE THAT SOMEBODY HAS ASKED FOR THAT.

THAT THE GRAND JURY HAS ASKED FOR IT.

I'M GOING TO CHECK TO MAKE SURE I CAN SEND THIS TO YOU.

YOU HAVE IN SECRET AND IN TOTALITY CONFORM WITH THE REQUEST.

SO WE HAVE A BACKING OF LAW TO SAY YOU MUST DO THIS.

AND YOU MUST DO IT IN CONFIDENCE >> THE CONFIDENTIALITY ASPECT IT CAN'T BE OVER STATED.

IF WE NEED TO SPEAK TO SOMEONE WHO'S A MID-LEVEL PERSON IN A DEPARTMENT.

IF THEY CRITICIZE THEIR DEPARTMENT THEIR BOSS MAY NOT HAVE A GREAT VIEW OF WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY.

WE ABSOLUTELY DEMAND CONFIDENTIALITY AND WE'RE ALSO GUIDED BY STATE LAW TO ENSURE THAT THAT CONFIDENTIALITY.

THEN WHEN IT COMES FOR THE OFFICIAL REPORT THAT COMES FROM THE BODY OF GOVERNMENT THINGS MIGHT GET FUDGED A LITTLE BIT.

IS THAT A PROBLEM YOU FACE A LOT.

OR HAPA INDICATION NULL'S.

WHAT'S THE SKINNY.

HAVING INVOLVED IN LAST YEAR'S AND BEING VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT NOT GETTING INTO THE DETAILS OF CONFIDENTIALITY.

WE DO CONDUCT AN EXIT INTERVIEW WITH USUALLY WHATEVER HEAD OF THE DEPARTMENT WE'RE INVESTIGATING.

THEY HAVE TO AGREE OR DISAGREE.

IF THEY DISAGREE WHY.

THE DEPARTMENT I AGREE WITH THIS.

THEN WE COME TO GET THE OFFICIAL RESPONSE FROM THE BOED AND THERE'S A BUNCH OF NO WE DON'T AGREE.

IT GETS LAWYERED AT SOME POINT.

AND THAT POINTS OUT WE ARE 19 LAY PEOPLE.

WE DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE Ts AND Is TO CROSS IN THE LAW.

SO LITTLE TINY LOOPHOLES CAN BE EXPLOITED TO REFUTE A FINDING WHEN REALLY WHAT WE WOULD HOPE AT LEAST THE SPIRIT OF THAT INVESTIGATION BE ADDRESSED AND THAT IS WHAT TOO OFTEN IS LEFT BEHIND.

>> AND ALSO WE DON'T NAME NAMES.

THE GRAND JURY NEVER NAMES NAMES.

IT SAYS THE OFFICE OR THE ORGANIZATION.

>> YOU DON'T PARTICULARIZE IT.

>> WE DON'T SAY THE CURRENT PERSON'S NAME OR WHATEVER IT IS.

>> WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT.

>> BECAUSE WE WANT SOMETHING TO HAPPEN.

WE AN AWARENESS ON A MORE THAN JUST A PERSONAL LEVEL.

ONCE WE NAME THE PERSON AND WHO KNOWS WHAT THAT NAMING THAT PERSON WILL DO.

THEY COULD TAKE VENGEANCE ON THEIR STAFF OR I THINK YOU'RE THE ONE THAT DID THIS.

>> I THINK PEOPLE ASSOCIATE A PROBLEM WITH A GIVEN PROBLEM SACK THAT PERSON AND WE'LL GET RID OF THE PROBLEM.

>> WE'RE INVESTIGATING INSTITUTIONAL ISSUES, NOT PERSONAL ISSUES.

>> I CAN'T ARE YOU.

YOU HAVE 19 PEOPLE.

THE TERM RUNS FROM WHEN TO WHEN.

FOR THE FISCAL YEAR AS THE COUNTY FROM JULY 1 TO JUNE 30.

>> PART OF WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR IS RECRUITMENT.

SLEW ABSOLUTELY.

WHAT ARE THE TIME REQUIREMENTS AND WHAT ARE THE KIND OF PEOPLE THAT MAKE THE PEOPLE BEST.

>> THE BEST PEOPLE WHO'RE INTERESTED AND WHO WILL SHOW UP AND PUT IN AN HONEST EFFORT.

FROM WHAT WALK OF LIFE THEY COME WE DON'T CARE.

IT'S PICKING NAMES OUT OF A HAT.

THERE'S NO PREFERENCE OF ANY SORT SHOWN IN THAT KIND OF THING.

THE REASON WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME IS HARD TO SAY.

ONE IS THE TIME COMMITMENT.

>> ARE YOU AT 19.

WE'RE AT 17.

WE TRY TO KEEP A POOL OF ALTERNATES.

WE'LL BE THROUGH QUITE A FEW.

MAYBE SOMEONE GOT ON THE GRAND JURY AND FOUND OUT IT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT THEY THOUGHT.

BUT THERE'S ONLY SO MANY PEOPLE WHO'RE INTERESTED IN DOING THIS AND WE'RE TRYING TO REACH OUT AND LET PEOPLE HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO THE COUNTY AND TO THEM IN A ROUNDABOUT WAY.

WE'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE IN SOUTHERN, NORTHERN AND EASTERN HCKET WE HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING THERE.

THERE ARE ACCOMMODATIONS.

YES, IT WILL TAKE SOME DRIVE TIME.

BUT WE REIMBURSE MILEAGE.

WE DON'T WANT TO EXCLUDE ANYBODY FOR ANY REASON.

WE HAPPEN TO LIVE IN A VERY LARGE COUNTY.

>> WHAT ARE THE TIME REQUIREMENTS.

THERE'S TWO A WEEK.

>> TWO A WEEK THREE HOURS A WEEK.

THAT WOULD BE THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.

ESPECIALLY AS THE TERM GOES ON AND WE GET INTO THE MEAT OF THE REPORTS IT'S EASY TO SPEND 20, 30, 40 HOURS A WEEK.

IT'S NOT REQUIRED.

WE WORKED AS ONE ORGANISM.

>> ONE THING I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR I WANT TO INVESTIGATE BOB WHO OWNS.

IT'S LIKE IT'S COMPLAINT DRIVEN.

YOU HAVE TO GET A COMPLAINT FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT SOMETHING AND USE THAT AS A BASIS FOR AN INVESTIGATION.

>> THAT'S ONE WAY.

SOMEBODY CAN WRITE A COMPLAINT.

AND I THINK THERE'S A BIG PROBLEM HERE.

AND THESE ARE THE DETAILS.

THE GRAND JURY CAN TAKE THAT AND SAY YES, LET'S LOOK INTO THIS.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK INTO.

BUT WE TAKE A PERSON OUT OF IT, AND WE SAY WHAT IS THE PROCESS THAT HAPPENED THAT DISPLEASED THIS PERSON.

AND WE CAN INVESTIGATE IT AND IT COULD GO INTO MORE OF AN INVESTIGATION AND MORE RESEARCH.

IT COULD EVEN GO TO THE INTERVIEW AND IT COULD EVEN GET WRITTEN UP.

AT ANY POINT IN THE WAY IT CAN GET STOPPED.

WE HEAR THE COMPLAINT.

THE WHOLE GROUP HEARS THE COMPLAINT AND WE CAN SAY NO THAT'S NOT FOR US.

THAT'S THE END OF IT.

>> THERE'S NO MOMENTUM ISSUE.

BY GOD YOU'RE GOING TO PUT OUT A REPORT.

>> ANOTHER WAY IT CAN HAPPEN SOMEBODY IN THE GRAND JURY CAN SAY, I'VE HAD THIS EXPERIENCE AND I THINK IT NEEDS INVESTIGATING.

SO THEY'RE BRINGING THEIR OWN SITUATION INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF AN INVESTIGATION AND THE SAME THING HAPPENS THE GRAND JURY SAYS LET'S HEAR IT.

AND THEY SAY OKAY LET'S REFER THIS TO COMMITTEE AND SEE IF THEY THINK -- WHAT THEY THINK OF IT.

>> SO A SUBCOMMITTEE MAY TAKE A GANDER AT SOMETHING.

>> IT USUALLY GETS SENT TO A SUBCOMMITTEE.

THEY WORK ON IT AND AGAIN, AT ANY STEP OF THE PROCESS THEY CAN SAY NO WE'RE NOT GOING ANY FURTHER.

WE'RE DONE.

WE THINK FOR WHATEVER REASON.

THEY HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION TO THE WHOLE GRAND JURY.

>> AND IT'S A UNANIMOUS VOTE OR >> SUPER MAJORITY.

SO 12 PEOPLE.

EVEN IF WE'RE RUNNING AT 17.

12 PEOPLE HAVE TO AGREE THIS IS SOMETHING WORTH PURSUING.

THOSE STOP.

>> THERE'S NO WAY YOU'RE IN FACT, 12 OTHER PEOPLE DASH GLASH >> AND THE OTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND SOME FOLKS WHO PUT IN COMPLAINTS ARE QUITE FRUSTRATED.

THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO CONFIRM WE RECEIVED IT.

WE CAN'T GIVE ADVICE.

WE CAN'T SAY WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH IT.

SOMETIMES IT'S THE COMPLAINANT IS NOT IN OUR JURISDICTION.

SOMETHING IT'S SO VAGUE WE CAN'T DO SOMETHING WITH IT.

>> WHICH IS FRUSTRATING TO THEM AND FRUSTRATING TO US.

YOU CAN'T EVEN DO THAT.

>> WE HAVE ABOUT A MINUTE LEFT.

ANYTHING I MISSED THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T MENTION.

>> I'M ONE OF THE GEEKS WHO'S READ EVERY GRAND JURY REPORT FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS AT LEAST.

AND ONE THING YOU SEE IS A LOT OF THOUGHTFULNESS.

I FEAR THAT SOME OF THESE REPORTS THAT THESE REPORTS ARE AIMED AT WHATEVER GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY DOESN'T RESPOND IN THE SPIRIT OF RESPONDING TO THE TOPIC AS OPPOSED TO THE ACTUAL LEGALESE OF IDENTIFIED.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS HAVE THE PUBLIC DEMAND RESPONSE FROM THEIR GOVERNMENT TO WHAT WE'RE PUTTING OUT THERE.

WE'RE NOT TO EMBARRASS PEOPLE.

>> WE'RE PUTTING IT OUT THERE TO HELP.

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