>> COMING UP ON NEXT ON HEADLINE HUMBOLDT.

RALPH BLUMENTHAL JOINS US TO TALK ABOUT HIS BLOCKBUSTER ON DAVID GRUCH WHO SAYS HIS INVESTIGATION FOR UAP OF NONHUMAN TECHNOLOGY.

WE'LL TALK WITH BOB McGWIER.

LOOKING TO PRESERVE THOSE ANCIENT FOREST.

COMING UP ON HEADLINE HUMBOLDT.

FROM THE TOP OF THE HUMBOLDT HILL THIS IS HEADLINE HUMBOLDT I'M JAMES FAULK.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

ON THIS SHOW I TRY TO FIND SOME SHOWS FOR STORIES THAT ARE COMPELLING.

WE DO HAVE HOWEVER STRETCH OUT TO COVER NATIONAL OR INTERNATIONAL NEWS.

MENT TONIGHT'S EPISODE WILL BE ONE OF THE WE'RE THRILLED TO HAVE RALPH BLUMENTHAL A REPORTER THAT WORKED FOR THE NEW YORK CITY TIMES FOR 40 YEARS TO IS UAPs.

WE'LL HAVE TO BOB McGWIER AND A WELL-KNOWN SCIENTIST.

BLUME THUL AND HIS IN THE DEBRIEF AN ONLINE SCIENCE OUTLET FROM DAVID GRUSCH.

WHILE INVESTIGATING UNIDENTIFIED PHENOMENON BY THAT THE U.S. AND GOVERNMENTS HAVE RECOVERED NONHUMAN CRAFT.

HE TESTIFIED TO THIS IN FRONT OF CONGRESS AND IN FRONT OF THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY'S ATTORNEY GENERAL.

LYING TO EITHER ONE IS A SERIOUS AND PROSECUTABLE CRIME.

BLUMENTHAL AND SPOKE VIA ZOOM TWO DAYS AGO.

HE EXPLAINED WHY HE AND.

SO MANY TALK ON BACKGROUND.

ESPECIALLY PEOPLE THAT COME FROM THE GOVERNMENT WITH HIGH SECURITY CLEARANCES.

SO HE IS A FORMAL INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL.

HE LEFT A FEW WEEKS AGO IN APRIL.

A LONG RECORD OF G GEOSPATIAL DEPARTMENT.

HE WAS IN A REPRESENTATIVE ON THE UAP TASK FORCE.

HE'S IN A POSITION TO GET A LOT OF THE IMPORTANT INFORMATION.

HE MADE AN OFFICIAL WHIZ YOU WILL BLOWER COMPLAINT WHICH WE GOT ON THE RECORD.

HE GOT HIS COMMENTS APPROVED FOR US FROM THE OFFICE OF THE PREPUBLICATION REVIEW.

SO WHAT MAKES HIM DIFFERENT IN THE FIRST INSTANCE HE CAME FORWARD UNDER HIS OWN KNOWN AND HIS CREDENTIALS CORRECT OUT.

WE HAVE NAMED PEOPLE VOUCHING FOR HIM ON THE RECORD.

EVERYTHING IS ON THE RECORD IN THIS STORY.

WE LAY IT OWL OUT WHY WE FIND HIM CREDIBLE.

AND SO THAT'S BASICALLY IT.

WE CHECK OUT ALL OF THE INFORMATION WE GET.

LESLIE AND I.

BUT IN THIS FIELD WE THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO PUBLISH STUFF WITH NAMED SOURCES WHERE YOU CAN VET THEM, AND STARTING WITH LIEU AL SAWN DOE THE FORMER PENTAGON UAP OFFICE.

WE FOUND HIM EMINENTLY CREDIBLE.

>> CAN YOU DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT.

HE WENT TO THE INSPECTOR GENERAL WITH HIS COMPLAINTS, AND HE TOLD THEM THIS STUFF.

HE'S AT-RISK IF HE'S AT LYING.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WHERE HE CAN MAKE UP STORIES AND DANCE FOR ATTENTION.

THIS IS REALLY HE COULD BE PUT IN PRISON IF IT COMES OUT HE'S LYING.

HE SUBMITTED A STATEMENT UNDER OATH.

AND ALSO HE'S REPRESENTED BY A FORMER INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL.

SO YOU WOULD THINK HE WOULDN'T REPRESENT A CLIENT WHO WAS FABRICATING.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS IF ALL OF YOU WAS SO DEEPLY BURIED AND CLASSIFIED HOW CAN HE COME BACK WITH BACK ENGINEERING PROGRAM.

SOME THAT OF THE STUFF IS CLASSIFIED AND SUMMIT.

WE YOTED THE LOU AL SANDO.

IT WAS THE AND LOU ALASANDO WAS ABLE TO TELL US A LOT ABOUT THE PROGRAM THAT WAS NOT CLASSIFIED.

JUST TO SAY THERE'S A UFO OR UAP OR NONHUMAN VEHICLE RECOVERY PROGRAM THAT'S NOT ITSELF CLASSIFIED.

YOU CAN SAY THINGS LIKE THAT.

DETAILS ARE CLASSIFIED, AND GRUSCH TESTIFIED TO CONGRESS AND GAVE THEM CLASSIFIED INFORMATION TO THE POINT OF HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF TRANSCRIPT.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HE SAID THERE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE REPORTED.

WE REPORTED WHAT WAS CLEARED AND IT WAS NONCLASSIFIED, AND SO CERTAIN THINGS YOU CAN SAY.

>> INTERESTING.

>> OKAY.

SO I MEAN GIVEN ALL THAT YOU COVERED YOU'VE HAD A LONG CAREER.

HOW IMPORTANT DO YOU THINK THAT THIS STORY IS?

>> I THINK IT'S EARTH-SHATTERING.

THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT STORIES I'VE EVER COVERED.

ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS FACING HUMANITY.

HOW DID THE COSMOS BEGIN.

IS THERE A GOD?

>> ARE WE ALONE IN THE UNIVERSE?

HOW COULD YOU NOT BE CONSUMED BY A QUESTION LIKE THIS.

IT'S OBVIOUSLY FASCINATED PEOPLE THROUGHOUT HISTORY.

IT'S BEEN A HUGE STORY SINCE WORLD WAR II AND BEFORE.

IT'S SELF-EVIDENT WHICH THIS IS SUCH A HUGE STORY.

>> THE QUESTION ARE TIME UNANSWERABLE.

THEY'RE THE EXIT 10 TIAL QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE ARE LEFT TO WRESTLE WITH.

THERE WAS SOME RETICENCE FROM BIGGER NAME NEW YORK CITY TIMES IT SOUNDS LIKE "THE WASHINGTON POST" WANTED TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.

DO YOU THINK THAT THE FACT IT'S GOING AT THOSE EXISTENTIAL QUESTIONS IS THE REASON WHY THEY'RE RELUCTANT.

>> LOOK.

I SPENT 45 YEARS AT NEW YORK CITY TIMES.

WE WENT EARLY ON WITH THE STORY.

IT WASN'T THE FINAL STORY.

WE'VE WRITTEN STORIES FOR THEM.

THEY BROKE OUR BIG STORY IN 2017.

THIS ONE THEY DIDN'T GO FOR AT THAT TIME.

WE DID TALK TO "THE WASHINGTON POST."

THEIR PROCESSES TAKE A LONG TIME.

WE FELT A LOT OF PRESSURE AS I SAID I PUT OUT A STATEMENT BASICALLY EXPLAINING.

DAVID GRUSCH'S NAME HAD LEAKED ON THE INTERNET.

WE HAD A NUMBER OF HIGHLY PLACED NAMED SOURCES IN THE STORY AND AS A JOURNALIST THAT UNTIL YOU PUT OUT A STORY YOUR SOURCES ARE VULNERABLE.

ONCE IT'S OUT THEY'RE PROTECTED BY THE PUBLICITY BY THE FACT THAT THEIR NAMES ARE OFFICIALLY OUT.

WE COULDN'T WAIT ANYMORE.

THE PRESSURE WAS BUILDING, AND DAVE GRUSCH WAS GETTING THREATS.

WE STILL DON'T WANT TO.

HE WAS DEFINITELY VULNERABLE.

HE HAD FILLED A COMPLAINT OF RETALIATION.

NOW HE WAS GETTING STRANGE THREATS.

ALL CONSIDERED WE HAD TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THE STORY.

>> LESLIE AND THE DEBRIEF VERY PLUGGED IN ON INTELLIGENCE AND DEFENSE MATTERS.

THEY CALLED A LOT OF SOURCES OF THEIR OWN.

WE WERE VERY HAPPY TO BE IN THE DEBRIEF.

>> ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE SPREAD OF IT SO FAR?

IT'S BASICALLY GOING EVERYWHERE.

EVERY NATION THEIR MAJOR NEWSPAPERS SEEM TO BE PICKING IT UP.

IT IS GOING ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU WERE HOPING.

>> YOU NEVER KNOW.

YOU PUT OUT A STORY YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THE RESENTENCING YOU'RE GOING TO GO.

THERE MAY BE CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS IN THE WORK.

ONE OF THE CLAIMS THAT DAVE GRUSCH WAS THAT CONGRESS HAD BEEN LIED TO.

THEY WERE INFORMATION THAT CONGRESS IS SUPPOSED TO GET ABOUT THESE PROGRAMS BECAUSE THEY'RE SPENDING AMERICAN MONEY AND IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES OF ALL-TIME WRAPPED UP IN THIS QUESTION, AND CONGRESS WAS NOT GETTING THE INFORMING.

NOT ONLY GETTING IT IT WAS WITHHELD FROM THEM ILLEGALLY.

NOW PEOPLE IN CONGRESS ARE WAKING UP AND DEMANDING ANSWERS.

YEAH WE'RE HAPPY WITH THE WAY THIS IS ROLLING OUT.

I THINK MORE WHISTLEBLOWERS WILL BE IN COLONELED AND EMBOLDENED TO COME FORWARD.

AND THAT THE STORY IS GOING VIRAL.

>> CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT.

JUST A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS IF WE CAN FIT THOSE IN.

BASICALLY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING SOME PEOPLE WHO TALK ABOUT IT BEING A SINGLE SOURCE STORY.

HE'S A GUY THAT HEARD SOME THING.

THERE WERE OTHER SOURCES IN THE GRAY.

HE IS NO SLOUCH EITHER.

CAN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT HE IS.

>> HE'S A VERY NASIC AGENCY, AND WE USED THE NAME THAT HE USES IN THE AGENCY.

>> IS THAT NOT HIS REAL NAME.

>> CAN THAT IS A NAME HE USES IN THE AGENCY.

THAT'S THERE'S SECURITY CONSTRAINTS WHO DO INTELLIGENCE WORK.

THAT IS AN OFFICIAL.

>> HE'S IDENTIFIABLE BY THAT NAME.

IN THE AGENCY.

THAT'S HIS NAME IN THE AGENCY.

SO AND HE'S ANOTHER HIGH LEVEL PERSON WE QUOTE ON THE RECORD AND HE'S -- >> HE DID SOME THINGS THAT BASICALLY CORROBORATES DAVE GRUSCH'S STATEMENTS.

WE HAVE AN ARMY COLONEL WHO WAS ON NOW WITH THE GRUSCH CHRIS MEL LESS THAN WHO WAS UNDERSECRETARY OF DEFENSE.

WHO IS VERY INVOLVED WITH THE UFO AND UAP.

SO WE HAVE A LOT OF THE IMPORTANT PEOPLE VOUCHING FOR THIS GUY, AND SAYING IT'S NOT A SINGLE SOURCE STORY.

THERE WERE OTHER PEOPLE THAT SAID SIMILAR THINGS.

SOME OF THEM HAVEN'T COME OUT.

CONGRESS IS FORBIDDEN FROM NAMING THE WHISTLEBLOWERS THAT COME OUT.

I WOULD NOT CHARACTERIZE THIS AS A SINGLE SOURCE STORY AND THE FACT THAT HE HAS GIVEN UP THIS INFORMATION IN A VERY OFFICIAL FORUMS INCLUDING HIS WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT.

>> ONE THING THAT STRUCK ME IS THAT CONGRESS HEARS ABOUT THIS THROUGH THE MEDIA AND THEY TALK ABOUT HEARINGS.

APPARENTLY THEY HEARD IT BEFORE THE MEDIA HEARD ABOUT IT AND THERE WASN'T MUCH NOISE MADE IN TERMS OF THE OUTRAGE.

SHOULD THEY HAVE CALLED FOR THESE HEARINGS WHEN THEY HEARD THIS INFORMATION FROM GRUSCH.

>> THERE'S A LOT OF THE STIGMA AND THANKS TO OUR GOVERNMENT WHICH STIGMATIZED IT OVER THE YEARS THAT PUT PEOPLE WHO WERE SIGHTINGS WERE UNBALANCED AND THIS WAS A MATTER OF RIDICULE.

IT WAS AN OFFICIAL CAMPAIGN.

IT WAS AND THAT STILL IS IN EFFECT THAT PEOPLE IN CONGRESS ARE AFRAID TO GET AHEAD OUT FRONT OF THIS ISSUE, AND SO YOU KNOW PERHAPS THERE WAS SOME RELUCTANT WHEN HE MADE HIS COMMENTS.

NOW IT'S BEEN LAID OUT IT'S GIVEN PEOPLE COURAGE AND IT'S NOW A PUBLIC ISSUE AND THEY'RE BEING ASKED BY CONSTITUENTS WHY HAVEN'T YOU ASKED ABOUT THIS STUFF.

MAYBE THAT'S GIVING THEM COURAGE.

>> JOINING US NOW IN THE STORY IS DR. BOB McGWIER WHO'S WORKED FOR THE U.S. INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY FOR 30 YEARS.

>> I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE.

>> LET'S START WITH THE REASON RALPH WHAT MAKES THIS DIFFERENT THAN ALL OF THE PREVIOUS ALLEGATIONS COMING FORWARD.

THIS ONE REALLY STICK.

>> IT'S EXTREMELY CREDIBLE CREDENTIALS AND HE WENT AND TESTIFIED UNDER OATH.

AND ONE RALPH DID NOT MENTION THE RAREST BIRD AROUND IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY IS THE PERSON WHO GOES AND TELLS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES THE PRESIDENTIAL DAILY BRIEFING.

THIS GUY DID THAT.

HE WAS TRUSTED TO GO AND TELL THE PRESIDENT THE IMPORTANT THINGS ON BEHALF OF THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY.

THIS IS A SERIOUS PLAYER.

SERIOUS ACTOR AND HIS STORY IS CREDIBLE.

THAT'S ONE THING.

THE OTHER THING HE HAS OBEYED THE RULES.

HE FOLLOWED THEM TO THE LETTER.

HE DID EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO.

HE MADE A COMPLAINT TO THE INSPECTOR GENERAL ON MULTIPLE COUNTS THE COUNTS ARE THAT THESE PROGRAMS WERE HIDDEN FROM CONGRESS ILLEGALLY AND THEY'VE BEEN GOING ON FOR DECADES.

NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER 2 HE WAS BEING PERSECUTED FOR WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT TO THE KOOIGES.

IN ALL OF THOSE INSTANCES THE INSPECTOR GENERAL RULED IN HIS FAVOR.

WHO HAS ACCESS TO ANYTHING THEY WANT.

ANYTHING THEY WANT THEY GET ACCESS TO HAS COME DOWN ON THE SIDE OF HIS ACCUSATIONS ARE CREDIBLE, AND NEED TO BE INVESTIGATED.

SO THE IMPORTANT THING IS HE GAVE TO THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AND TO THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY COMMITTEES THE GOVERNING COMMITTEES OF THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE IN-HOUSE AND SENATE HE GAVE THEM A PRESCRIPTION A DETAILED LIST OF NAMES, PLACES, ET CETERA.

NAMES OF PROGRAMS.

NAMES OF INDIVIDUALS THEY COULD SUBPOENA PUT UNDER OATH AND FIND OUT WHETHER ANY OF THIS IS TRUE OR NOT JUST BY DOING THEIR JOB.

>> THANKS FOR POINTING THAT OUT.

THE DIDN'T DETERMINE IT TO BE SERIOUS AND CREDIBLE JUST HIS ALLEGATIONS OF REPRISAL BUT ALSO THE PORTION HAVING TO DO WITH THE UFO PROGRAM.

>> HE KNOWS THEM AND TOLD HEMISPHERE AND CAN NAMED THEM.

>> THERE'S NO PHOTOS OR DOCUMENTS.

UNTIL WE SEE PHOTOS.

BUT THE PHOTOS ARE CLASSIFIED.

THAT'S A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE.

>> THE THING YOU'RE SHOWING IS CLASSIFIED UNTIL IT WASN'T.

SO LOU ALESSANDRO AND CHRISTOPHER MEL LON WORKED ON TO RELEASE.

THAT'S WHY WE KNOW THERE IS A UFO PROGRAM.

HE GAVE LOTS OF EVIDENCE TO THE COMMITTEES.

SOME OF IT MAY IN FACT BE PHOTOS.

SOME OF IT ARE VIDEOS.

SOME OF THIS ARE LOCATIONS OF THE CRAFT AND OTHER THINGS.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL CONGRESS DECIDES WHAT LEVEL OF DISCLOSURE THEY WILL MAKE BASED ON THEIR INVESTIGATIONS.

>> NOW WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BEFORE THE SHOW.

FOR A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THERE MATE BE MULTI-BILLION BACK ENGINEER CRAFT FOR GENERATIONS WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE OF SUCH THINGS.

DOESN'T THAT UNDERMINE OUR FAITH IN GOVERNMENT OR SHOULD IT.

>> I BELIEVE THAT THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT LIE TO THE PEOPLE.

THE CONTEXT.

THIS WAS BEGUN IN THE HEIGHT OF OUR CONTEST WITH THE SOVIET UNION.

WE REALLY DID BELIEVE INSIDE THE GOVERNMENT WE WOULD BE AT NUCLEAR WAR WITH RUSSIA AT ANY MOMENT.

WE DIDN'T WANT THEM HOW THESE VEHICLES WORKED BEFORE WE GOT ACCESS HOW THESE VEHICLES WORKED.

NOW IT'S REALLY HARD TO BACK OUT OF IT.

GIVEN ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WERE DONE TO KEEP IT SECRET.

I BELIEVE THAT THE SECRECY WAS FELT TO BE NEEDED IN THE BEGINNING.

IT'S IN THE WAY OF MAKING PROGRESS.

IN FACT IT SOUS SEEDS OF DISTRUST IN OUR GOVERNMENT.

THERE'S SOME TALK THAT IF THIS TURNS OUT TO BE TRUE.

DO YOU THINK THERE SHOULD BE A UNIVERSAL FORGIVENESS PROGRAM >> I THINK THAT THE CONGRESS AND PRESIDENT SHOULD WORK TOGETHER TO DECIDE WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE BELIEVABLE.

I DON'T BELIEVE IT WILL SERVE THE PURPOSES OF THE UNITED STATES TO BRING EVERYBODY WHO WAS INVOLVED IN THIS TO TRIAL.

BUT I ALSO THINK THAT ONE OF THE REASONS IT'S COMING OUT NOW MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO DID THE THINGS THAT MIGHT BE CRIMINAL ARE NOW VERY OLD AND PASSING AWAY.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WANTED TO ASK YOU AS A SCIENTIST.

THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN TRYING AND APPARENTLY ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY'RE ABLE TO READ TO BACK ENGINEER THESE CRAFT.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO A LAYMAN LIKE MYSELF HOW TO APPROACH SOMETHING LIKE TO DO THAT.

>> THE VIDEO YOU'RE SHOWING IS OF A CRAFT DOING THINGS THAT ARE UNBELIEVABLE.

THE OBJECT IS ROTATING WITH NO AIR COILS.

NO WING.

NO AILERONS.

>> THE DIAMONDS ARE TRIANGLES ARE SUSPENDED IN AIR FOR HOURS.

OUR PHYSICS SAYS THAT WOULD TAKE AN UNBELIEVABLE AMOUNT OF ENERGY TO PULL OFF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING.

THE ROTATION YOU JUST SHOWED FROM THE GLOWING CRALFT NO ONE KNOW HOW TO DO IT.

WHAT I SUSPECT IS TRUE GIVEN THE LOGICAL IMPLICATION I KNOW ONCE WE LEARN HOW THESE CRAFT OPERATE AND HOW THEY FLY WE WILL BE FREE FROM EXPENSIVE ENERGY.

SO ALL OF THE OIL AND COAL COMPANIES WILL BECOME A THING OF THE PAST.

THEY'RE NOT THROWING HEAT TO USE THAT ENERGY.

THAT MEAN THEY FOUND A WAY TO DO THE ENERGY THAT OUR CURRENT PHYSICS IS ACTUALLY POSSIBLE AND WE WON'T NEED LIKE FOSSIL FUELS OR RENEWABLES.

>> FROM YOUR LIPS TO GOD'S EARS.

>> YEAH.

>> ONE OF THE QUESTIONS RAISED BY WHERE ARROW ISSING PLAYING STRAIGHT WITH BOTH CONGRESS AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN FOR WHY AERO.

>> THERE ARE 2 TYPES OF MAJOR AUTHORITY.

IT NEEDS TITLE X AND TITLE L ACCESS.

SO THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO GET ACCESS TO THE MILITARY STUFF.

BECAUSE THEY'RE OPERATING IN INSIDE THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY.

THEY NEED ACCESS TO ALL OF IT.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S WHETHER IN CIVILIAN INFORMATION IS STORED.

THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY WHERE THIS INFORMATION IS STORED.

AERO NEEDS IT ALL OF THE AUTHORITIES IT COULD POSSIBLE TO GO SEARCH FOR THIS ANY OF THIS STUFF.

IT HAS BEEN HIDDEN BY VERY PEOPLE WHO WERE VERY CAREFUL.

THE NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT UNDER WHICH THE PENTAGON OPERATES IS NOW GOT COD SOME IN IT WHERE ANYONE IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY OR ANYONE IN THE PENTAGON IS RELEASED FROM THEIR NONDISCLOSURE FOR THE PURPOSES OF TESTIFYING BEFORE CONGRESS.

SO PEOPLE UNDER THIS UNDER THE NEW RULES THE NEW LAWS DON'T HAVE TO KEEP THEIR SECRETS WHEN THEY'RE TALKING TO CONGRESS.

>> GRUSCH CLAIMS HE WAS RETALIATED AGAINST.

ISN'T THAT A TEST WHETHER OR NOT THAT SYSTEM IS WORKING.

>> IF WE CAN'T PROTECT HIM NO ONE WILL TRUST IT.

SO FAR IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S WORKING.

THE REASON I SAY SUSAN GOTH IS A MIRACLE WORKER.

SHE'S AS ABOUT AS GOOD AS HE IS.

HE IS TALKING BASED ON OUR RELEASE.

WE DON'T SAY WHAT HE SAYS IS TRUE.

BUT HE'S SAYING.

AS LONG AS HE'S CAREFUL.

THEY ARE UNDER THIS WATCHFUL EYE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL.

>> LAST QUESTION.

DO YOU STILL STAND BY YOUR PREDICTION BROAD DISCLOSURE WILL HAPPEN BY THANKSGIVING.

I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE CADRE WANT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WHICH IS KIND OF STARTING BUT REALLY KICKS OFF AFTER THANKSGIVING.

IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN WE HAVE THE PRESIDENTIAL STAGE.

LOTS MORE STUFF IS NEEDED.

>> ALL RIGHT BOB.

I APPRECIATE YOU COMING ON THE SHOW AND DOING THIS.

>> WE'LL AFTER THIS SHORT BREAK.

A LOCAL AUTHOR IS TELLING THE POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC HISTORY OF THE REDWOODS.

GREG KING DOCUMENTS.

THESE WERE WELL-KNOWN LAND FRAUDS INVOLVING SCOTTISH SYNDICATE AND A SAN FRANCISCO CARTEL AND A GROUP OF KEY INDIVIDUALS HERE IN HUMBOLDT COUNTY WHO PUT TOGETHER THIS LAND FRAUD BY HIRING DUMMY ENTRY MEN WHO WERE ACTING THEY WERE IN GETTING THESE LAND GRANTS WHICH WOULD CONSOLIDATE THEM FOR INDUSTRY.

THEN IT FOCUSES ON THE FOUNDATION, THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE SAVE THE REDWOODS LEAGUE IN 1917.

THE LEAGUE WAS BEGAN AND OOZE A TOOL OF INDUSTRY NOT TOO MUCH REDWOOD WAS PROTECTED.

REDWOOD WENT INTO A MYRIAD PRODUCTS.

HUGE STAVE PIPES.

AND THE WATER OFTEN WENT TO THE TURBINES OF POWER PLANTS IN THE SIERRA NEVADA AND ELSEWHERE.

KING'S PERSPECTIVE TRANSCENDS JUST RORKT.

IN THE 1980s HE JOINED THE ACTIVIST GROUP EARTH FIRST.

>> THE WAY OUR WORK CHANGED HISTORY WAS BY DESCRIBING TO AN EARTH FIRST MOVEMENT THAT WHICH EXTREME FROM US TRATION OF MAINSTREAM ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS AND BLOCKADING THE LOGGING TRUCKS AND BULLDOZERS.

THE STATE OF THE REDWOODS ARE A BIT BELEAGUERED.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT TWO OF THE COMPANIES THAT HUMBOLDT AND GREEN DIAMOND WERE NOT SEEING THE PROTECTIONS THAT THESE ECOSYSTEMS NEED ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CONTINUING DECLINE OF THE MARBLED MARMOT.

AND THEY USE HERBICIDES AND THEY'VE CREATED A MONOCULTURE.

THE BEST LOGGING HAPPENS IN THE ARCATA.

THEY WERE GROWING BIG TREES.

THEY'RE GETTING MORE MONEY FOR THEIR EXCELLENT SAW LOGS.

THERE ARE JOBS.

THE EVENT FOR THE GHOST FOREST IS JUNE 10TH IT'S A SATURDAY AT THE ARCATA PLAYHOUSE.

>> REMEMBER THAT OUR ANNUAL SPRING PLEDGE DRIVE CONTINUES UNTIL SUNDAY NIGHT.

WE'VE DONE THINGS DIFFERENT AND GOING WITH MOST OF OUR PROGRAMMING.

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