COMING UP ON HEADLINE HUMBOLDT, SALMON SEASON WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY BE LIMITED OR EVEN CLOSED THIS YEAR, PROMISING MORE HARD TIMES FOR AN INDUSTRY ALREADY HURTING FROM A DIMINISHING CATCH AND BURDENSOME REGULATION.

WE INTERVIEW KEN BATES FROM THE CALIFORNIA FISHERMAN'S RESILIENCY ASSOCIATION ABOUT THE WIND POWER, AND THE IMPORTANT WORK STILL BEING DONE BY OUR REGION'S FISHING FLEET.

COMING UP NOW ON HEADLINE HUMBOLDT.

FROM THE TOP OF HUMBOLDT HILL, THIS IS HEADLINE HUMBOLDT.

I'M JAMES FAULK.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

IT'S A DEEP AND UNDENIABLE HUMAN TRAIT THE NEED TO LIVE AND SERVE A PROJECT MUCH BIGGER THAN OURSELVES.

THE AREA FISHING INDUSTRY HAS LONG EMBRACED THAT INKLING AND MADE IT THEIR LIFE'S WORK.

AGAINST THE MODERN TIDE OF INCREASING DETACHMENT FROM NATURE AND EASY DIGITAL CONVENIENCE, THOSE BRAVE SOULS STILL PLYING THIS ANCIENT INDUSTRY ON THE NORTH COAST PUT THEIR LIVES AT RISK EVERY TIME THEY CROSS THE BAR.

THEY DO IT FOR WORK, FOR THEIR LIVELIHOODS, FOR THEIR FAMILIES, AND FOR THE REST OF US.

THEY ALSO DO IT FOR THE HONOR OF PURSUING A DEEPLY HONORABLE TRADITION, AND THEY DO IT AMID WHAT IS ABSOLUTELY THE LAST GREAT UNTAMED REALM ON THIS EARTH THE VAST AND VORACIOUS WILDERNESS OF OCEAN THAT IN SO MANY WAYS WE STILL BARELY UNDERSTAND.

IT'S A DEEP PART OF WHO WE ARE AS A PEOPLE ON THIS ISOLATED RUGGED SHOULDER OF NORTH AMERICA, AND A DEEP PART OF WHO AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN.

THESE FOLKS HAVE LIVED, WORKED, STRUGGLED AND EVEN DIED TO PURSUE THIS CALLING, AND HOW WE HONOR THAT CHOICE AND ELEVATE THAT SERVICE IN THE HERE AND NOW SAYS EVERYTHING ABOUT WHO WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY.

THEY'RE NOT ASKING TO BE SAVED.

THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR AN EASY HANDOUT.

THEY'RE ASKING TO HAVE THEIR LIVES AND WORK PROTECTED, AND THEIR WAY OF LIFE RESPECTED FOR WHAT IT PROVIDES ALL OF US.

KEN BATES FROM THE CALIFORNIA FISHERMEN'S RESILIENCY ASSOCIATION WILL BE HERE SHORTLY TO DESCRIBE FOR US THE IMPORTANT WORK THESE FOLKS STILL DO FOR OUR ECONOMY, FOR THE GOOD OF THE ENVIRONMENT, AND FOR THE PROUD MAINTENANCE OF TRADITION.

BUT FIRST, THE NEWS.

AFTER A COMPLETE BAN ON SALMON FISHING LAST YEAR, THE OPTIONS NOW BEING CONSIDERED BY THE PACIFIC FISHERY MANAGEMENT COUNCIL WOULD ALL CONTINUE SIMILAR LIMITS INTO THIS UPCOMING SALMON SEASON.

THE PACIFIC FISHERY MANAGEMENT COUNCIL TODAY RELEASED A SERIES OF OPTIONS THAT ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION, ALL OF WHICH EITHER BAN COMMERCIAL AND RECREATIONAL SALMON FISHING IN THE OCEAN OFF CALIFORNIA OR SHORTEN THE SEASON AND SET STRICT CATCH LIMITS.

THE COUNCIL'S FINAL DECISION IS EXPECTED NEXT MONTH; THE COMMERCIAL SEASON TYPICALLY BEGINS IN MAY AND ENDS IN OCTOBER.

WHILE MORE CHINOOK SALMON RETURNED FROM THE OCEAN TO SPAWN LAST YEAR THAN IN 2022, FISHERY MANAGERS MAINTAIN THAT THE POPULATION IS EXPECTED TO BE SO SMALL THAT THEY SHOULD BE PROTECTED TO AVOID OVERFISHING.

LAST YEAR'S CLOSURE COST ROUGHLY $45 MILLION IN LOST REVENUE.

THE OPTIONS ARE NOW BEING ANALYZED AND MAY EVOLVE AS THIS PROCESS CONTINUES.

BOTH THE YUROK TRIBE AND BEAR RIVER BAND OF THE ROHNERVILLE RANCHERIA IN RECENT WEEKS HAVE COME OUT IN OPPOSITION TO THE MASSIVE WIND PROJECT PLANNED FOR OFF THE HUMBOLDT COUNTY COAST.

THE HUMBOLDT BAY HARBOR CONSERVATION AND RECREATION DISTRICT WAS AWARDED $426 MILLION EARLIER THIS YEAR TO DEVELOP THE LAND FACILITIES ON THE SAMOA PENINSULA TO MAKE SUCH AN INDUSTRY POSSIBLE.

WHILE CELEBRATED BY SOME AS A HUGE ECONOMIC BOOST FOR THE REGION, BOTH TRIBES SAY NOT ENOUGH IS KNOWN ABOUT THE POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS; AND THAT SUCH DEVELOPMENT COULD SIGNIFICANTLY DAMAGE SACRED CULTURAL SITES.

“IT IS THE OPINION OF THE BEAR RIVER TRIBAL COUNCIL THAT THE EFFECTS OF THESE OFFSHORE WIND PROJECTS WILL BE DISASTROUS TO THE CULTURAL AND NATURAL RESOURCES OF ALL NATIVE TERRITORIES IN THE AREA AND WE SEEK UNITY AMONGST TRIBES TO PROTECT THESE THINGS WHICH WE HAVE BEEN THE PROTECTORS OF SINCE TIME IMMEMORIAL, THE BEAR RIVER BAND SAID IN A PRESS RELEASE.

IN JANUARY, THE YUROK TRIBE HOSTED A TWO-DAY OFFSHORE WIND SUMMIT IN EUREKA.

THE SUMMIT FEATURED PRESENTATIONS FROM WEST AND EAST COAST TRIBAL LEADERS, LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL OFFICIALS AND INDUSTRY REPRESENTATIVES.

IN PART, THE TRIBAL COUNCIL ORGANIZED THE MEETING TO HEAR FROM TRIBES ON THE EAST COAST, WHERE THE OFFSHORE WIND INDUSTRY IS FURTHER ALONG IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

THE EAST COAST TRIBES VOICED GRAVE CONCERNS ABOUT DEVELOPERS' ATTEMPTS TO SUBVERT LAWS THAT PROTECT TRIBAL LANDS AND SPIRITUAL SITES.

LAST MONTH, THE NATIONAL CONGRESS OF AMERICAN INDIANS, THE LARGEST NATIONAL ORGANIZATION OF TRIBAL GOVERNMENTS, ISSUED A RESOLUTION ASKING THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION TO SUSPEND ALL SCOPING AND PERMITTING OF OFFSHORE WIND PROJECTS UNTIL THE “COMPLETION OF A COMPREHENSIVE AND TRANSPARENT PROCEDURE ADEQUATELY PROTECTING TRIBAL ENVIRONMENTAL AND SOVEREIGN INTERESTS IS DEVELOPED AND IMPLEMENTED.

” THE YUROK TRIBAL COUNCIL HAS SAID IT WILL SOON ISSUE A RESOLUTION ON THE TRIBAL GOVERNING BODY'S OPPOSITION TO PROPOSED OFFSHORE WIND PROJECTS IN YUROK ANCESTRAL TERRITORY.

JOINING US NOW IN STUDIO IS KEN BATES FROM THE CALIFORNIA FISHERMEN'S RESILIENCY ASSOCIATION.

THANKS, KEN, FOR COMING IN.

>> THANKS JAMES FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME IN AND ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.

>> IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU HERE.

YOU ARE WIRED IN.

>> YEAH.

>> WE'RE HERE MOSTLY TO TALK ABOUT WIND POWER THIS TIME AROUND.

BUT YOU'VE BASICALLY SOUNDS LIKE DEDICATING LAST YEAR MOST INTENSIVELY TO THE WIND POWER SITUATION, AND YOU'RE KIND OF A BIG DEAL IN THIS PROCESS.

YOU'RE ON A SEVEN MEMBER WORKING GROUP.

I'LL LET YOU EXPLAIN SOME OF THAT LF.

AND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE WIND POWER PROJECT.

>> NORTHERN CALIFORNIA HAS A REALLY, REALLY WINDY OCEAN, AND THE WINDIEST AREAS OF THE OCEAN ESPECIALLY THAT ON THE EAST COAST WOULD BE THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE COAST.

AND FISH AND WHALES AND ALL OF THE SEA LIFE.

THE WIND IS ALSO THE AREA THAT THE WIND POWER COMPANIES ARE LOOKING AT TO SITE THESE VARIOUS PROJECTS.

>> THE RICHEST PARTS OF THE OCEAN.

>> THEY HAPPEN TO OVERLAP.

RECENTLY WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED FOR TWO OR THREE YEARS WORKING WITH THE CALIFORNIA ENERGY COMMISSION.

IT'S IN THE OF SEA SPACE.

AND SO SEA SPACE THEY COULD USE TO LEASE OUT FOR ADDITIONAL WIND POWER SITES.

RIGHT NOW WHERE WE ARE THERE ARE FIVE LEASES.

THERE'S THREE IN SOUTHERN AND CENTRAL CALIFORNIA.

THOSE LEASE SITES TOTAL A ABOUT 600 SQUARE MILES ALL ON FISHING GROUNDS.

IF THE STATE IS SUCCESSFUL IN CONVERTING IT OVER TO WIND POWER UP TO I THINK THEIR GOAL IS TO HAVE A BIG CHUNK OF WIND POWER BY 2045, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE AN ADDITIONAL 4,000 SQUARE MILES OF FISHING GROUNDS.

MOST OF THAT AREA WILL BE NORTH OF POINT ARENA.

IT'S 30 MILES SOUTH OF THE TOWN OF MENDOCINO.

>> IS IT SAFE TO SAY WHAT'S PROPOSED IS SORT OF A PILOT PROJECT.

IF THIS GETS GOING IT'S GOING TO EXPAND A LOT.

>> YEAH, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.

FISHERMAN'S ASSOCIATIONS HAVE BEEN ASKING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS THAT THESE WIBED POWER BE PILOT PROJECTS THAT THEY NOT GO AHEAD AND PUT OUT OTHER LEASE AREAS IN OREGON OR WASHINGTON OR CALIFORNIA TO SEE IF IT ACTUALLY WORKS.

OF THE PROBLEM WITH THE SEA SPACE AREAS IS THAT FOR FLOATING OFFSHORE WIND THEY HAVE TO HAVE A BOTTOM THAT IS STABLE.

ADDITIONALLY, IF THESE PROJECTS GO DOWN WE EXPECT TO LOSE ANOTHER 1,000 SQUARE MILES JUST TO CABLE LANES.

THAT'S THE SUBMARINE CABLES THAT WILL EXPORT THE ELECTRICITY FROM THE SITE TO THE BEACH.

THERE'S A POTENTIAL FROM FROM SOUTHERN OREGON CLEAR DOWN TO MONTEREY.

>> YOU CAN'T FISH OVER THOSE.

>> SO THAT WAY IT GENERALLY WORKS THERE'S -- THOSE CABLES THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION.

CABLE INSTALLERS, AND CABLE COMPANIES WOULD ASK WITH BOTTOM CONTACT GEAR A LONG LINE GEAR, CRAB GEAR THEY ASK THEY GIVE THE CABLE ROOT A HALF-MILE BERTH.

THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE OVER TIME SOME OF THOSE WILL BE SUBJECT TO SCOURING AND THEY'LL BE EXPOSED.

THEY'LL ASK THAT YOU STAY THAT FAR OFFSHORE.

NO ONE WANTS TO LOSE THEIR GEAR TO A CABLE.

>> IT'S A SNAG HAZARD.

EVEN WORST THAN THIS COUNTRY RELIES ON SUBMARINE CABLES FOR ALL OF THESE THINGS.

>> GETTING BACK TO THE FISHING GROUNDS PART OF THE CONCERN IF YOU WERE TO TAKE A MAP OF CALIFORNIA AND ALLOF THE CALIFORNIA THAT WERE CLOSED DEPARTMENT DEFENSE MARINE PROTECTED AREAS, NATIONAL SANCTUARIES.

MOST OF THE CALIFORNIA'S WOULD BE BLACK.

WHEN WE LOSE THESE AREAS TO FISHING.

HAS TO MOVE TO A DIFFERENT AREA.

SO THERE'S A CONCERN OVER LONG-TERM CONCENTRATION OF EFFORT.

THERE'S A CONCERN NOBODY IS GOING TO ACTUALLY GOING FISHERMAN WILL BE ABLE TO GO IN THESE ARRAYS OF WIND POWER TER BUNS.

THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT 100 WIND TURBINES OFF THE COAST.

THE OTHER THING CALIFORNIA HAS THE GOT MOST RESTRICTIVE FISHING REGULATIONS IN THE WORLD.

WHICH IS WHY CR WE HAVE FISHAND WE CAN CATCH FISH, AND SELFISH.

WHEN WE'RE LOSING THOSE FISHING GROUNDS.

SO ULTIMATELY THE PEOPLE THAT WILL LOSE OUT THE MOST.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FISHERMAN.

BECAUSE THAT FISH IS GOING TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.

>> IT'S HARD TO TELL ONCE IT YOU GETS THROUGH THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.

>> 85 TO 95% OF THE FISH CONSUMED IN THE UNITED STATES IS IMPORTED.

>> WE TALKED ABOUT THE SEASON GETTING CANCELED YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THE FISHERMAN VOTED TO TAKE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF FISH POSSIBLE LAST YEAR BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR.

RAPACIOUS BUT PRESERVE AT THE SAME TIME WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

>> IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT FOR A SECOND, I'VE BEEN IN EUREKA FOR OVER 40 YEARS, AND I'VE WATCHED THE FISHING SHRINK AND SHRINK AND SHRINK.

DAMAGING A FISH POPULATION IS THE SHORTEST TERM THINKING ON THE PLANET.

WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO SALMON POPULATIONS ON THE WEST COAST OF CONTINENTAL THE DAMS AND THE WATER DIVERSIONS AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

FISHERMAN DECIDED OKAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO FISH.

WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR SKIER OH SEASON.

THERE'S NO FISHING PRESSURE SO WHERE IS THE PROBLEM.

THAT'S WHAT -- THAT GETS BACK TO THE CLIMATE CHANGE THING.

RENEWABLE ENERGY.

ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

>> YOU MADE A POINT EARLIER YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN AT THIS PROCESS FOR YEARS.

AND ALSO YOU GUYS ARE NOT OPPOSED TO RENEWABLE PROJECTS.

YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE SINCE THIS IS THE ONLY TIME THESE PEOPLE ARE AT THE TABLE THEY MAKE THE CONCESSIONS.

>> THAT'S TOTALLY CORRECT.

WE GOT ONE SHOT AT THIS.

FISHERMAN HAVE BEEN IN MEETINGS SINCE 2018.

WITH BUREAU MANAGEMENT AND THEN WITH ALL OF THE STATE AGENCIES AND A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED OVER THE TIME WE'RE CONTINUALLY WE'D HAVE ALL OF THE AGENCY STAFF IN THE ROOM AND SOMEBODY WOULD SAY HERE'S A MAP.

JUST POINT TO WHERE YOU FISH.

AND FISHING ISN'T LIKE THAT.

FISHERMEN MOVE WITH THE FISH.

HARRISON IBACK.

WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO OUR OWN MAPPING PROJECT.

THERE WAS NOT A SMILE ANYMORE.

WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING IS THAT HUMBOLDT SALMON TRAWLERS AND THE CRESCENT CITY ASSOCIATION SIGNED A CONTRACTUAL TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO MAPPING AND JUMP THRUFRL A BUNCH OF HOOPS.

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GOT A GRANT AND WE DID THE FIRST MAPPING OF FISHING GROUNDS THAT'S BEEN DONE IN CONTINENTAL UNITED STATES.

>> I THINK WE HAVE A VIDEO OF THAT.

NOW, I MEAN ACCORDING TO THE INFORMATION I WAS LOOKING ON THE MAP IT'S BROKEN UP BY DIFFERENT SPECIES.

>> SO YOU CAN GO ONLINE AND LOOK AT THESE MAPS.

THERE'S LOTS AND LOTS OF OVERLAYS ON THE MAPS.

>> YOU CAN CLICK ON.

SO THE COLORS REPRESENT DIFFERENT SPECIES.

>> SO THE MAPS IF SOMEONE GAVE YOU A DUNGENESS CRAB POT.

BUT YOU COULD GO THERE.

THE OTHER THING ABOUT MAPPING IS THAT IF AN AGENCY DOES IT OR IF IT'S A COLLEGE DOES IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THERE'S THE RULE OF THREE.

THE ROOLF OF THREE IF THERE AREN'T THREE FISHERMEN FISHING THE SAME THING IN THE SAME AREA THEN THE KOOICKED CANNOT USE THEIR INFORMATION FOR DATA POINT.

AND SO -- TO CONFIRM.

>> PART OF IS FISHING HAS BEEN SOMEWHAT PROTECTED AS FAR AS CONFIDENTIALITY.

IF THERE'S NOT THREE GUYS FISHING THERE.

WE'RE FISHERMAN.

WE WERE ABLE TO PUT IN INFORMATION ON FISHING THAT NOBODY COULD ACCESS.

WHAT MAKES A FISHING COMMUNITY HEALTHY IS LOTS OF PEOPLE DOING DIFFERENT THING.

>> IT ALSO REPRESENTS SOME EX EX-QUIZ ITALY INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE.

>> SO WHEN THIS PROJECT GOT DONE, AT THE SAME TIME WE WERE HAVING ALL THESE MEETINGS.

GEORGE BRADSHAW WHO'S THE PRESIDENT OF THE P.C.

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WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ORGANIZE SOMETHING.

THE FISHERMAN'S ASSOCIATIONS FORMED A 501C ASSOCIATION.

AND SO THAT GOT FORMED.

THE INITIAL FUNDING FOR THAT WAS THAT $10,000 THAT WAS PASSED THROUGH HUMBOLDT FISHING MARKET ASSOCIATION FROM REDWOOD COAST AUTHORITY SINCE 2018.

THEY GAVE US A SHORT GRA GRANT.

WE WERE ABLE TO TURN THAT INTO A $100,000 GRANT.

IT'S GOT STAFF MONEY.

IT'S GOT MONEY FOR TRAVEL.

WE HAVE FUNDS FOR HIRING AN ATTORNEY.

WE HAVE A LOCAL ATTORNEY THAT'S HELPED WITH SOME OF THE STUFF.

SO THE FCFCFA HAVE BEEN TASKED.

THERE IS A WHITE PAPER THE VALUE OF FISHING GROUNDS.

ON OUR WEBSITE THERE IS ALL OF THE DIFFERENT CORRESPONDENCE THAT'S TAKEN PLACE BETWEEN THE CFRA AND AS WELL AS THE STATE STUFF.

>> IT'S CALIFORNIA FISHERMEN'S RAW ILL SILLIAN SEE ASSOCIATION.com.

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>> THAT'S >> SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS HAPPENED THOUGH IS THAT WE HAVE BEEN TASKED BY THE STATE THIS IS ORGANIZATION TASKED BY THE STATE TO COME UP WITH TWO CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENTS.

ONE OF THEM WOULD BE BETWEEN THE FISHING INDUSTRY WITH WIND POWER AND ONE WAS WOULD BE THE FISHING INDUSTRY AND THE CABLE EXPORT.

THESE AGREEMENTS ARE BASED THREE THINGS, AVOIDANCE, AND MITIGATION, AND MINIMIZATION.

I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A RECENT EXAMPLE OF AVOIDANCE.

BACK IN 2020 THE NORTHWEST LABORATORIES DECIDED TO COME DOWN HERE WITH A VERY FIST INDICATED WEATHER BUOY.

AND IN THEIR PRESS RELEASE THAT THEY PLANNED TO ANCHOR THEY PUT THE LOCATION AND THEY WERE GOING TO ANCHOR IT WITH AN 11,000 POUND STEELE WEIGHT AND THEN A WHOLE BUNCH OF GIANT CHAIN.

AT THE END OF THAT THEY WERE GOING TO CUT IT LOOSE, AND LEAVE IT THERE.

>> YOU GET TANGLED UP IN THE CABLE.

THE BOTTOM LINE WE ASKED THAT LABORATORY TO RETRIEVE THE ANCHOR GEAR AND THEY SAID OUR PERMIT ALLOWS US TO ABANDON IT IN PLACE AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DID.

RECENTLY ACCESS TECHNOLOGIES A CANADIAN COMPANY IS COMING DOWN HERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO DEPLOY ANOTHER BUOY WORKING WITH THE RWE LOOK AT YOU CAN'T JUST START LEAVING ALL OVER THE FISHING GROUNDS.

YEAH, THE OCEAN IS NOT A JUNKYARD.

RWE WORKED WITH ACCESS TECHNOLOGIES, AND THEY CHANGED THEIR MOORING SYSTEM.

AT THE END OF THE YEAR THEY'RE GOING TO PICK ALL OF THAT STUFF UP.

THAT'S HOW AVOIDANCE WORKS.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO COME IN WITH A 350-FOOT SHIP AND START DOING SITE SURVEY WORK.

THOSE ARE THE FIRST STEPS FOR FISHERMEN AND THE FISHING COMMUNITIES TO SURVIVE THESE PROJECTS.

>> KEEPING THE PROBLEMS FROM HAPPENING ADDRESSING THEM.

>> SO THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN GOING AWAY.

CFRA ON OUR WEBSITE WE HAVE A LIST OF IMPACTS AND IT'S PAGES AND PAGES AND PAGES OF THINGS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN.

ONE OF THE THINGS EVERYBODY HAS TO UNDERSTAND WHILE YOU MAY LOOK AT A COOL BROCHURE NOBODY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON.

THE WIND POWER GUYS DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

THERE'S THINGS CHANGING ALL THE TIME.

THE YEAR AGO THE BIGGEST WIND TURBINE A 300 AND 300 BY 300 AND IT WAS 300 FEET TALL.

SO PART OF THE THING PART OF THE DEAL WITH THIS IS THAT UNTIL THERE'S -- UNTIL PEOPLE KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING WE DON'T KNOW A WHICH QUESTIONS TO ASK.

THAT BRINGS US TO THE NEXT THING.

ONE OF THE THINGS MIC MA WIRE AUTHORED A BILL S B-286 THAT BILL WAS WRITTEN TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE UNKNOWN WITH WIND POWER DEVELOPMENT IN CALIFORNIA AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO RELATE TO COASTAL FISHING COMMUNITIES.

AND OUTOF THAT BILILONG WITH REPORT FROM THE COASTAL COMMISSION IS REQUIRED BY LAW TO DO A FEDERAL CONSISTENCY DETERMINATION REPORT.

SO WHEN THE FEDS DECIDED TO HAVE WIND POWER LEASES OFF HUMBOLDT COASTAL COMMISSION CAME IN AND MADE AN EXTENSIVE REPORT.

IT GOES INTO FISHING IMPACTS IN GREAT DETAIL.

AND THE SEVEN C WORKING IS FISHERMAN I THINK THERE'S SEVEN OR EIGHT FISHERMAN.

THREE TRIBAL REPRESENTATIVES ALL OF THE DEVELOPERS AND ALL OF THE STATE AGENCIES AND A COUPLE OF FEDERAL AGENCIES.

>> YOU'RE ON THAT BOARD.

>> YEAH.

IF YOU MISS A MEETING YOU BECOME PRELLED.

THE THING IS THAT THIS GROUP IS TASKED WITH PUTTING TOGETHER A STATEWIDE STRATEGY FOR HOW WE'RE GOING TO OPERATE THESE WIND POWER PROJECTS.

>> NOW WHAT ARE YOU HOPING TO SEE IN THAT REPORT AND ULTIMATELY WHAT'S NEXT IN THE PROCESS WHEN THAT'S DONE.

>> WHAT WE'RE DONE THAT THE COASTAL COMMISSION WILL BE ABLE TO USE SOME OF THE WORK THAT CFRA HAS DONE.

THE BUT AND THEN AN EXTENSIVE POLICY THAT TALKS ABOUT AVOIDANCE THINGS WE CAN TO AVOID IMPACTS.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT MINIMIZATION.

AND THEN YOU KNOW OTHER THINGS LIKE MITIGATION.

MITIGATION IS THE LAST THING DOWN THE ROAD.

IF WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT ANYTHING ELSE WE HAVE TO DETERMINE IF THERE'S A WAY TO MITIGATE FOR IT.

IF THERE'S MITIGATION HOW BEST IF THERE'S MITIGATION FUNDING HOW BEST TO USE IT FOR THE GREATEST GOOD FOR THE LONGEST TIME PERIOD.

>> IT'S NOT ABOUT ME GETTING A CHECK.

>> AND THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING.

IT'S ALSO INTERESTING YOU GUYS ARE CARING FOR A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS IN TERMS OF PROTECTING -- I YOU WANT TO PROTECT THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE FISHING GROUNDS.

THE IDEA THAT THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LEAVE VAST CHAINS AND COLUMNS IN THE OCEAN BECAUSE IT'S EASIER THAN TO REMOVE THOSE ARE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.

>> THEY ARE.

BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN EVERYBODY -- EVERYTHING IS A COMPROMISE.

EVERYBODY HAS CONFLICTS.

IF YOU'RE AN ENVIRONMENTAL AND WE'RE GOING TO CUT CARBON EMISSIONS.

YOU'RE STUCK.

YOU CAN'T COME OUT AND PULL YOUR HAIR OUT.

ONE OF THE THINGS IF INDEED THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS SUCCESSFUL IN PUTTING WIND POWER PROJECTS FROM COUS BAY THAT'S 270 ENERGY EXTRACTION FROM THE WIND.

IT'S NOT FREE.

THE WIND THAT BLOWS ALONG THE COAST ALLOF THE NORTHWEST WIND THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR DRIVING THE CURRENTS THAT CAUSE UPWELLING.

IT'S FULL OF NUTRIENTS.

THAT KICKS OFF PLANKTON BLOOMS, AND THAT'S WHY THIS COAST IS SO PRODUCTIVE.

THERE'S ONLY ONE MODELING STUDY AND THAT WAS LOOKING AT THE CENTRAL WIND ENERGY AREAS THAT ARE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW AND LOOKING DOWNWIND EFFECTS AND THEY EXPECT TO SEE A DIMINISHING OF UPWELLING BELOW POINT CONCEPTION.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE HAVE TO FIND OUT.

WHICH GETS US BACK TO SOME OF THE SAME THINGS THAT THE TRIBES ARE ASKING.

WE'RE NOT GO AHEAD AND BLANKET THIS PLACE WITH LEASES.

LET'S TRY IT.

LET'S SEE IF THEY CAN ANCHOR THESE THINGS OUT THERE.

PLUG THEM IN AND LIGHT UP THE LIGHTS.

FISHERMAN HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR BASELINE STUDIES.

GO INTO AN AREA DETERMINE WHAT'S THERE BEFOREHAND AND COME BACK IN FIVE YEARS, AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.

>> WE HAVE ABOUT A MINUTE LEFT.

WE COVERED A LOT OF TERRITORY.

ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO RESTATE OR ANYTHING YOU MISSED.

>> I'M JUST GLAD TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND TALK.

I APPRECIATE THE INVITATION.

IT'S A GOOD WAY TO GET THE WORD OUT.

THERE'S SO MANY THINGS GOING ON THIS WORLD AND IT'S REALLY, REALLY TOUGH TO STAY ON TOP OF THIS STUFF.

>> THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF.

IT'S THERE'S CONFLICTING MOTIVES AND DRIVES.

FOR ME I WOULD JUST I LIVE OFF THE GRID.

I HAVE TWO SOLAR PANELS AND WE HAVE EIGHT LIGHTBULBS AND A COMPUTER AND A VACUUM, AND A MICROWAVE.

>> KEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU ALSO.

I'M SURE WE'LL TALK TO YOU THEN.

THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

STAY TUNED, STAY INFORMED.