COMING UP NEXT ON HEADLINE HUMBOLDT, AFTER DOZENS WERE ARRESTED AND THE CAL POLY HUMBOLDT CAMPUS RECLAIMED FROM STUDENT PROTESTORS OPPOSED TO THE WAR IN GAZA, WE SPEAK WITH SHERIFF WILLIAM HONSAL ABOUT THE CHOICES MADE.

ALSO, PROFESSOR JAMES WOLGROM, PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY SENATE, SAYS AN EXISTING DISCONNECT BETWEEN UNIVERSITY HAS GROWN DANGEROUSLY WIDE DUE TO THESE RECENT PROTESTS.

COMING UP NOW ON HEADLINE HUMBOLDT.

FROM THE TOP OF HUMBOLDT HILL, THIS IS HEADLINE HUMBOLDT.

I'M JAMES FAULK, THANKS FOR JOINING US.

ON MONDAY, I SPENT TIME ON THE THEN BESIEGED CAMPUS OF CAL POLY HUMBOLDT, SPEAKING WITH STUDENT PROTESTORS AND OBSERVING WHAT I COULD OF THE SO-CALLED OCCUPATION.

I SPOKE WITH TWO STUDENTS IN PARTICULAR, BOTH OF WHOM WERE RELUCTANT TO GO ON CAMERA FOR THEY WANT THE UNIVERSITY AND THE BROADER STATE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM TO DIVEST OF ITS SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL, AND DITCH ITS AFFILIATION WITH COMPANIES KNOWN TO SUPPORT THE STATE OF ISRAEL.

THE STUDENTS WERE PROTESTING A HORRIFIC SITUATION IN GAZA THAT HAS LEFT THOUSANDS DEAD, MANY OF THEM CHILDREN AND YOUNG FAMILIES, AND MANY MORE SURVIVORS STRUGGLING TO EEK OUT AN EXISTENCE BETWEEN FALLING BOMBS AND SNIPING SOLDIERS.

THEY ARE ANGRY FOR WHAT THEY SEE AS COMPLICITY ON THE PART OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IN PERPETUATING THIS WAR, AND THEY ARE ANGRY WITH THE UNIVERSITY AND THE CSU SYSTEM FOR CONTINUING FINANCIAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH FIRMS BELIEVED TO BE PARTNERED WITH THE ISRAELIS OR OTHERWISE PROFITING IN SOME WAY OFF THE BLOODSHED.

IT'S NOT A SIMPLE ISSUE.

AND THESE ARE NOT SIMPLE PEOPLE.

IN MY BRIEF SOJOURN, I WAS POLITELY APPROACHED BY A STUDENT WHO ASKED ONLY THAT I BE SENSITIVE ABOUT PHOTOGRAPHS, AS THOSE STILL ON CAMPUS WERE GEARING UP FOR POTENTIAL ARREST.

THE YOUNG MAN THEN DECLARED THAT CONTRARY TO PORTRAYALS IN THE MEDIA AND ELSEWHERE, THE PUBLIC WAS WELCOME ON CAMPUS, AND ENCOURAGED TO ENGAGE WITH THE PROTESTORS IN CONVERSATION AND DEBATE.

SOMETHING I WITNESSED.

HE COMPLAINED THAT THE UNIVERSITY HAD DECIDED FROM THE ONSET TO TREAT THE PROTESTORS WITH A LACK OF CARE AND RESPECT, AND TOOK PUNITIVE STEPS, WHICH ULTIMATELY LED TO VIOLENCE AND CHAOS.

HE SAID STUDENTS ACROSS THE BOARD ARE FEELING COMMODIFIED AND IGNORED, ESPECIALLY AS THE UNIVERSITY HAS BEGUN ITS CONVERSION TO A POLYTECHNIC, WITH THE ADMINISTRATION PUSHING GROWTH AND ENROLLMENT EVEN AS HOUSING AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURAL ELEMENTS WERE PROVEN INSUFFICIENT TO THE EXISTING POPULATION.

BUT THE MAIN ISSUE FOR THE PROTESTORS WAS ABSOLUTELY THE WAR IN GAZA, THE DEATH AND DESTRUCTION NOW BEING RAINED DOWN ON INNOCENTCIVILIANS AS WELL AS HAMAS.

IT'S BEEN A BATTLE, HE SAID, TO GET THEIR STORY OUT, TO AVOID PETTY MISCHARACTERIZATIONS, AND FORCE A DEEP AND MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION ABOUT WAR, PROFIT, AND THE INCALCULABLE VALUE OF AN INNOCENT LIFE.

“ANY PIECE OF MISINFORMATION THE SCHOOL PUTS OUT IS AMPLIFIED AND ANY TRUTH WE PUT OUT IS SUPPRESSED, ” HE SAID, REFERRING TO UNIVERSITY PRESS RELEASES AND COMMUNITY MESSAGES THAT ALTERNATE BETWEEN SACCHARINE SWEETNESS AND ARROGANCE.

IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE, HE SAID, TO OPPOSE THE NATION OF ISRAEL AND CALL OUT ITS CRIMES AND POLICIES WITHOUT BEING ANTISEMITIC.

“THOSE NARRATIVES OF OUTSIDE AGITATORS OR RACISM - IN THIS CASE ANTISEMITISM - ARE CLASSIC TACTICS TO REDIRECT THE CONVERSATION, ” HE SAID, ADDING THAT MOST MEDIA OUTLETS HAVE TAKEN THE BAIT.

THE ARRESTS OF SOME TWO DOZEN STUDENTS OCCURRED EARLY TUESDAY MORNING, ALL OF IT LIVE STREAMED THROUGH VARIOUS SOURCES WHO WERE ON SITE.

HUMBOLDT COUNTY SHERIFF WILLIAM HONSAL EXPLAINED HIS DEPARTMENT'S ROLE AND HOW THEY BECAME TO BE INVOLVED.

SEE WHAT UNFOLDED, ADDING THAT VIOLENCE WAS KEPT TO A MINIMUM BECAUSE OF THE LARGE NUMBER OF OFFICERS AND A HIGH LEVEL OF PLANNING.

WE GOT CALLED TO THE SCENE OF PROTESTERS THAT TOOK OVERSEE MUNNS HALL AT CAL POLLY HUMBOLDT.

THINGS ESCALATED TO A SITUATION WHERE VIOLENCE WAS USED AND LAW ENFORCEMENT WAS SURROUNDED AND SO ESSENTIALLY A CALL FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO RETREAT THAT AREA DUE TO THE DANGER WAS ISSUED BAIKAL POLY HUMBOLDT.

AND AFTER THAT, COLORADO POLLY HUMBOLDT THEN STARTED ASSESSING THE SITUATION TO DETERMINE WHAT THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION WAS TO BE.

LAST WEDNESDAY, WHICH WAS I GUESS THE 24th, I WAS CONTACTED BY PRESIDENT JACKSON ASKING FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO OFFER SOME ASSISTANCE WITH PLANNING AND HELPING THEM WITH THIS ISSUE THAT WAS OCCURRING ON CAMPUS OF THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AND THE EXTREMISM OCCURRING ARE ON THE CAMPUS, AND BECAME SAFETY ISSUES FOR THE STUDENTS AND FACULTY WHERE THEY HAD TO CLOSE THE CAMPUS.

AT THAT POINT IN TIME WE STARTED WORKING UNIVERSITY POLICE, AND UNIVERSITY MANAGEMENT.

TO TRY TO DETERMINE THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION.

OBVIOUSLY THE UNIVERSITY IS IN CHARGE OF THIS ACTION.

AND WHAT THEY DID ALL WAS OFFER TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE.

ALL THE PLAN THAT WAS NEEDED REQUIRED A LOT OF PERSONNEL TO BE UTILIZED IN HUMBOLDT COUNTY I'M A MUTUAL AID COORDINATOR FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES AND MORE MUTUAL AID WAS NEEDED THAN OUR COUNTY COULD PROVIDE.

I HAD TO REACH OUT TO OUR REGION ON THE COAST ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BAY AREA AND IN CHARGE OF OUR REGION.

I REACHED OUT TO ALAMEDA COUNTY.

AND WHAT WAS NEEDED FROM CAL POLY HUMBOLDT.

AND THAT REQUEST WAS RECEIVED ON SUNDAY.

WE WORKED OUT THAT REQUEST WITH OUR PARTNERS IN REGION 2 AND WE RECEIVED INFORMATION THERE OR WE PROVIDED INFORMATION WHAT OUR NEEDS WERE, AND SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS RESPONDED TO THOSE NEEDS, AND CAME TO THE COUNTY.

SO AS THE SITUATION UNFOLDED ON MONDAY NIGHT, EARLY TUESDAY MORNING WE WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE ENOUGH PERSONNEL AND IMPLEMENT -- TO IMPLEMENT CAL POLY'S INCIDENT ACTION PLAN WHICH WAS TO UTILIZE THREE TEEMS TO GO INTO THE CAMPUS TO SECURE THE QUAD AND GO THROUGH THE BUILDINGS METHODICALLY AND RENDER THEM SAFE TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE WERE SAFELY ARRESTED AND BOOKED INTO THE COUNTY JAIL.

I'M THANKFUL WE HAD SO MUCH SUPPORT BECAUSE VERY LITTLE FORCE WAS USED, AND MINIMALLY.

MOSTLY IT WAS PASSIVE RESISTANCE, AND OUR OFFICERS AND DEPUTIES THAT WERE ASSIGNED QUICKLY TOOK PEOPLE INTO CUSTODY WITHOUT ANY RESISTANCE.

ONE PERSON RESISTED ARREST SLIGHTLY AND THAT WAS DEALT WITH SWIFTLY, AND UNTIL THE 25 PEOPLE WERE ARRESTED AND BOOKED INTO JAIL THAT NIGHT, AND SO IT WAS I THINK A SUCCESSFUL OPERATION.

WE WERE ABLE TO SEARCH THROUGH ALL OF THE BUILDINGS.

SECURE ALL OF THE BUILDINGS TURN THE CAMPUS BACK OVER TO CAL POLY FACILITIES AND THEY WERE ABLE TO CLEAN UP AND POWER WASH AND DISCARD ALL OF THE DEBRIS AND TRYING TO HOPEFULLY RESTORE CAMPUS.

THINGS CAN KIND OF RETURN BACK TO NORMAL AND SO STUDENTS CAN FINISH OUT THEIR SEMESTER AND EVEN GRADUATE.

>> SO A QUICK FOLLOW-UP QUESTION.

AND THERE WERE CLAIMS MADE ON THE VIDEO IT LOOKED LIKE THAT THE POLICE WERE TOO VIOLENT.

BUT YOU SAID THERE WAS HARDLY ANY VIOLENCE.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE VIOLENCE INVOLVED.

DO YOU REVIEW THE FOOTAGE TO GO THROUGH TO DISTRICT ATTORNEY FINE ANY MISTAKES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE OR HOW DOES THAT LOOK.

>> PEOPLE THROW OUT THE WORD VIOLENCE WE VIOLATE LEAH APPROACHED THE CROWD.

THIS SHOW OF VIOLENCE, AND SO WE'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL WITH WORDS.

WORDS HAVE MEANINGS.

WHEN THEY SAY VIOLENCE I DON'T HAVE ANYONE WHO'S POINTED OUT ANY VIOLENT ACTIONS THAT OUR OFFICERS OR SHERIFF'S TOOK THAT NIGHT.

I DON'T SEE IT.

WHAT I SEE IS A SHOW OF FORCE.

AND PAUSE WE HAD A MASSIVE SHOW OF FORCE THERE IF ANYONE WAS PLANNING ON BEING VIOLENT ON LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

WE ACTUALLY HAD PEOPLE EQUIPPED WITH ESSENTIALLY RIOT SHIELDS AND RIOT HELMETS AND GOGGLES.

WHEN THEY SAW THE AMOUNT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS THEY HAD THEY DECIDED TO FIGHT.

TO ME THAT'S A WIN.

THAT MEANS WE DIDN'T HAVE TO RESPOND TO THEIR VIOLENT ACTIONS.

>> REAL QUICK.

THE NUMBER OF THE OFFICERS A LOT OF THE PEOPLE POINT TO THAT.

WHY A LOT OF OFFICERS IS BETTER THAN THAN TOO FEW.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

LET'S TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

IF SOMEONE WAS WANTING TO GET INTO A FIGHT OR A CONFRONTATION, AND THEN THEY WANTED TO PICK A FIGHT WITH ME.

BUT I BROUGHT 12 OF MY FRIENDS WITH ME.

ARE THEY LEASE LIKELY TO PICK A FIGHT WITH ME.

PROBABLY NOT.

INCLUDING A LOT OF STUDENTS THAT DEFECTED FROM THIS PROTEST BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ELEMENT THAT INFILTRATED THAT PROTEST AND WANTED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF CONFRONTATION WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THEY WERE PREPARING FOR A FIGHT.

AND SO IF YOU'RE PREPARING FOR A FIGHT WE'RE GOING TO PREPARE SO WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE WHATEVER THAT IS.

THAT MEANS HAVING THE NUMBERS THERE.

BECAUSE WE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE THERE.

IT WAS DEESCALATING.

AND THAT IS IMPRESSIVE.

WHEN WE HAVE SEVERAL HUNDRED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ON SCENE FOR THIS KIND OF INCIDENT AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY REALLY REPORTABLE USES OF FORCE.

WE DIDN'T HAVE TO LAUNCH PEPPER GAS, AND STUN BALLS.

ALL OF THESE THINGS COULD BE USED IN A PROTEST WEREN'T USED.

THERE WAS NO FIGHTING LAW ENFORCEMENT.

AND THAT IS A WIN.

AND SO OUR COMMUNITY SHOULD BE VERY HAPPY HOW WE APPROACHED THIS.

OUR COMMUNITY SHOULD BE VERY THANKFUL WE HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE THAT CARED ENOUGH TO HELP KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE.

AND THERE WAS PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO GET ARRESTED, AND FOR THIS THING, AND THEY WERE ARRESTED, AND THEY WERE TREAT WITH DIGNITY.

OUR OFFICERS WERE RESPECTFUL.

THEY WERE PROCESSED, BOOKED INTO COUNTY JAIL AND MOST OF THEM BAILED OUT.

SO TO ME, AGAIN, PEOPLE MAY CRITICIZE THE TACTICS WE USE.

WHEN WE LOOK BACK WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE INJURY ON AN OFFICER.

WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE INJURY TO ANY OF THE PROTESTERS.

WE TOOK BACK CAL POLY HUMBOLDT AND WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE OTHER STUDENTS NOW MOST OF THE STUDENTS.

6,000 THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND SCHOOL AND TO UTILIZE THE LAST PART OF THEIR SEMESTER AND HOPEFULLY GRADUATE.

>> TWO IMPORTANT QUESTIONS.

COULD IT HAVE BEEN HANDLED INITIALLY DIFFERENTLY.

THE DRAMATIC SCENES OF THE OFFICERS AND THE PROTESTERS IN THAT SCRUM IN THE FOYER OF THE BUILDING, COULD THERE HAVE BEEN ANOTHER WAY TO APPROACH WHERE THAT DIDN'T YOU KUR.

>> JAMES, I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THAT MOMENT.

THAT'S CAL POLYMORPHISMSED.

AND I'M THAT UNIVERSITY POLICE AND WILL LOOK AT THIS SITUATION, AND CRITICALLY.

BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO LEARN FROM EVERY TYPE OF ACTIVITY WE DO WHETHER IT'S GOOD OR BAD OR THINGS WE CAN IMPROVE ON.

AND TRYING TO IMPROVE ON IT.

IF THERE'S THINGS WE CAN IMPROVE ON.

TO IMPLEMENT THOSE THE NEXT TIME.

BUT YEAH WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO HELP COLORADO PLMENTED POLY HUMBOLDT AGAIN.

>> THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THE MEDIA PEOPLE WHO WERE GATHERED UP IN THE CROWD CONTROL AT THE CAL POLY HUMBOLDT.

WERE THEY TARGETED.

>> MEDIA WAS NOT TARGETED.

THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE ACTUALLY DO.

MEDIA IS ALLOWED TO BE IN THESE AREAS TO DOCUMENT.

MEDIA THEY CAN'T GET SO WRAPPED WITHIN THE PROTESTERS THEY BECOME A PART OF BEING ARRESTED.

AND SO YOU BEING IN THE MEDIA AND THERE WAS LOTS OF MEDIA THERE.

THAT WERE TRYING TO DUMENT THUNGE.

YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHEN WE START TAKING GROUND, MEDIA CAN'T GET IN THE WAY.

IF YOU WERE BEING ON THE PROTESTERS YOU CAN'T USE MEDIA AS THE ABILITY OF NOT PROTESTS WHEN YOU ARE CAUGHT UP IN THE PROTEST.

YOU HAVE TO USE YOUR COMMON SENSE.

YOU HAVE TO USE YOUR OWN TRAINING WHERE IS YOUR BEST VANTAGE TO CAPTURE WITHOUT INTERFERING WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTION.

IF YOU DO THAT THEN IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU IMMUNITY FROM THE LAW.

THOUGH THERE WERE SOME MEDIA CAUGHT UP.

THEY WERE DETAINED AND THEN RELEASED.

SO THAT'S THAT DID HAPPEN, BUT YOU KNOW WE HOPE THAT AGAIN IT'S A LIVE AND LEARN FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

SO I HOPE NEXT TIME THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

>> LAST QUESTION, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT IS GOING TO COST THE COUNTY.

IS THAT COSTS THAT WILL BE BORNE BY COUNTY TAXPAYERS OR IS CAL POLY HUMBOLDT GOING TO BEAR THAT.

>> BECAUSE THE OVER TIME COSTS THAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND OTHER CITY AGENCIES THAT PROVIDED WILL BE COVERED BY THE CALIFORNIA OFFICE OF EMERGENCY SERVICES SO IT DOES NOT AFFECT THE COUNTY.

ALL OF THE SUPPORT THAT CAME OUT OF COUNTY THE COST FOR TRAVEL AND LODGING AND OVER TIME WILL BE COVERED BY CALIFORNIA OFFICE OF EMERGENCY SERVICES.

CAL POLY HUMBOLDT HAVE TO PAY A LOT OF EXPENSE FOR THIS OPERATION.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO BEAR THE COST OF THE PERSONNEL.

THE STATE WILL DO THAT.

ART PROFESSOR JAMES WOLGROM, ALSO PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY SENATE, SPENT THE PROTEST WITH SEVERAL SLEEPLESS NIGHTS.

HE ALSO SAID THIS CURRENT CONFLICT BETWEEN STUDENTS AND ADMINISTRATORS EXISTS WITHIN A BROADER STRUGGLE OVER IDENTITY - WILL CAL POLY HUMBOLDT BE SOMETHING ENTIRELY NEW IN THE FUTURE, OR WILL IT CONTINUE THE PROUD IF OFTEN INCONVENIENT TRADITION OF RESISTANCE IN THE FACE OF PERCEIVED INJUSTICE.

IN TERMS OF PERFORMANCE I'LL SAY FIRST AND MANY THAT I FAILED.

BUT I TRIED MY BEST TO DO WHAT I DO WITH THE SKILLS, KNOWLEDGE AND THE RESOURCES I HAD.

BUT I WAS UNSUCCESSFUL ON MANY LEVELS.

I CAN POINT TO VERY SPECIFIC THINGS THAT WERE NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'VE TRIED TO DEVELOP AND MAINTAIN HERE AT HUMBOLDT.

SPECIFICALLY THE ENGAGEMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AS A PRIMARY FIRST GROUND TACTIC.

AND THEN THE USE OF JUST -- I MEAN ON THE FIRST NIGHT THERE WAS MORE -- THERE WERE SO MANY POLICE SURROUNDING THE BUILDING.

AND I KNOW THAT THOSE DECISIONS ARE HARD, AND I EMPATHIZE AND SYMPATHIZE WITH THEM.

IT'S INDICATIVE OF BASIC MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE COMMUNITY WE HAVE THE ACTIVIST COMMUNITIED THAT OUR STUDENTS AND FACULTY HAVE WORKED TO AGAIN DEVELOP AND MAINTAIN OVER MANY YEARS.

AND IT WAS ONE OF MANY MISTAKES, AND AGAIN, I BLAME NO MORE THAN MYSELF BUT I HOPE THAT OTHERS WHO'RE WATCHING WHAT'S GOING ON HERE KNOW OR LEARN NOT TO ENGAGE IN THAT MANNER.

AND I ALSO HOPE THAT WE CAN USE THIS VERY GRAVE AND OBVIOUS MISTAKE OR MISSTEP POORLY EXECUTED ENGAGEMENT, TO REBUILD THE COMMUNITY ONCE -- AS SOON AS WE CAN.

>> I CAN'T CAN YOU.

>> TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS IS NOT WHO WE ARE, AND THIS IS HOW WE SHOULD HAVE ENGAGED THESE STUDENTS.

>> HOW MUCH OF THE BLAME DID YOU PUT AT PRESIDENT TOM JACKSON'S FEET.

I KNOW THAT THE CFA PUT OUT A REQUEST FOR HIS REMOVAL.

DO YOU FEEL LIKE HE'S PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE OR MORE OF A SYSTEM MISCALCULATION.

IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN TALK ABOUT?

>> I MEAN, YEAH.

I AGAIN THIS IS A REALLY COMPLEX ISSUE THAT I'LL ADMIT I'VE MORE WRONG THAN I'VE BEEN RIGHT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS.

I DON'T KNOW WHO OR WHAT HAS MADE CALLS.

I CAN SAY DR. JACKSON IF YOU'RE WATCHING OR HEARING THIS, I'VE KNOWN TOM THROUGH MY ENGAGEMENT WITH THE SENATE AND THE GENERAL FACULTY, AND I WOULD DESCRIBE IS I GUESS EVIDENCE OVER MY ROLE OF A MISUNDERSTANDING OF OUR COMMUNITY CULTURE.

AND A LACK OF PHILOSOPHICAL ALIGNMENT WITH IT.

AND ONE OF THE MANY MISTAKES I WOULD SAY I WOULD ATTRIBUTE TO MYSELF IS I DID NOT TAKE THOSE AS RED FLAGS THAT THEY PROBABLY WERE BECAUSE IN THESE MOMENTS OF EXTREME NEED FOR LEADERSHIP A LACK OF PHILOSOPHICAL ALIGNMENT AT THIS LEVEL IS DAMAGING.

THERE'S A NEED TO BELIEVE IN EACH OTHER AND UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER AND CARE FOR EACH OTHER.

AND TOM AGAIN IF YOU'RE LISTENING, I DON'T WANT TO DISPARAGE YOU AS A PERSON OR UNDERMINE ANY THOUGHTS OR CARE YOU APPLIED TO THE SITUATION.

IT WAS JUST A MISMATCH THAT WAS MADE AND ACCEPTED BY PROBABLY ALL OF US, AND ULTIMATELY A DAU STRUCK TIVE PATH.

AND I APOLOGIZE FOR MY PART IN THAT AS MUCH AS ANYBODY.

>> OKAY.

IT WAS WRORTED TO ME YOU WERE TRYING TO HELP STUDENTS.

THERE WERE SOME FACULTY THREATENED WITH DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND THERE WAS SORT OF A INTIMIDATING TENOR TO THE WAY THAT THE UNIVERSITY TRIED TO GET BETWEEN STUDENTS AND THE FACULTY.

DID YOU FIND THAT TO BE THE CASE.

IF SO, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS.

>> I DON'T THINK THERE WAS AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE TENOR IN THOSE COMMUNICATIONS THROUGHOUT THE WEEK.

I THINK THEY WERE AND AS SUCH WE'RE LEADING TO DEFENSIVENESS.

I MEAN, IN A RECENT ONE THERE WAS -- WELL I WON'T GET INTO -- ANYWAY, I DO THINK -- YEAH, A LACK OF DELICACY IN ENGAGEMENT THAT AGAIN COMES FROM A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OR LACK OF WILLINGNESS TO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER.

>> TWO MORE THINGS REAL QUICK.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT ONE OF THE PROTESTERS THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY THAT A LOT OF STUDENTS FEEL LIKE THEY'VE BEEN COMMIDIF I.E.D.

AND ALSO THE HOMELESS.

I THINK THAT THE UNIVERSITY HAS DEMONSTRATED A LACK OF CARE.

DO YOU THINK THAT HAD SOME ROLE IN ALL OF THE THINGS THAT UNFOLDED.

>> YOU KNOW UNT TING TO CREATE A ONE FOR ONE CORRELATION.

I KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I THINK THERE'S BEEN A DESIRE TO MOVE AWAY FROM BUT A DESIRE THAT'S BEEN MOVE AWAY FROM THE HUMBOLDT THAT WAS AND TOWARDS A VERY SPECIFIC CONCEPTION OF A POLYTECH.

AND I THINK WERE WORKING TO THINK OF A NEW POLYTECH THAT HAD THE SORT OF SOCIAL AND ASK ECOLOGICAL AND SO FORTH ENGAGEMENT AND ADVOCACY BUT ALSO SPOKE TO THE CURRICULAR NEEDS OF A POLYBE TECH.

AND OTHERS THAT WERE TRYING TO WHOLESALE CHANGE HUMBOLDT THROUGH WHATEVER WAY THEY TO SOMETHING NEW TO SOMETHING THAT WASN'T.

IT'S THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.

YOU CAN'T FORCE PEOPLE TO CHANGE THE WAY THEY THINK.

>> YEAH ESPECIALLY WHEN A LOT OF THEM ARE DRAWN TO THE SCHOOL UNDER A CERTAIN IDENTITY.

>> I THINK IT WAS AND I'LL SAY I'VE AIDED AND ABETTED IT ON MANY LEVELS.

>> PROBABLY THE BIGGEST QUESTION HOW DO WE MOVE ON FROM FROM HERE?

>> I GUESS I DON'T KNOW.

WITH CARE, HOPEFULLY.

WITH LOVE.

I KNOW THAT'S TRITE, BUT I DO MEAN IT.

>> IT'S APPROPRIATE.

>> AND YEAH, I DON'T KNOW HOW AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

I'LL PROMISE I'LL BE THERE EVERY STEP I'M ALLOWED TO BE ALONG THE WAY.

YEAH.

BUT TRUE COMMITMENT THROUGH PAYING ATTENTION TO EACH OTHER AND LISTENING TO EACH OTHER'S NEEDS THROUGH NOT EXCLUDING EACH OTHER BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE WHAT WE STAND FOR OR WHAT WE CARE ABOUT.

THROUGH COMMUNITY.

>> OKAY.

IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO GET OUT THERE THAT HASN'T BEEN COVERED VERY WELL IN TERMS OF YOUR PERSPECTIVE OR THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE STUDENTS.

ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT?

>> AGAIN, KIND OF A CLICH'E.

THIS HAS BEEN A HARD WEEK BUT ONE THING THAT KEEPS ME FEELING FAIRLY COMFORTABLE IS THAT SO MANY PEOPLE PEOPLE I'VE NEVER MET ON CAMPUS BEFORE THIS WEEK THEIR CALL.

I WAS TRYING TO STAY ON SITE AT THE CAMPUS AS MUCH AS I COULD THROUGH THAT FIRST I GUESS FIVE DAYS.

AT THAT POINT I HAD ANNOYED A LOT OF PEOPLE AND I TRIED TO PULL BACK BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I WAS AFFECTING ANY POSITIVE CHANGE.

I'M AN ARTIFACT TEE MEMBER AND THE ART DEPARTMENT VOLUNTEERED TO TAKE SHIFTS AND THEY SAT OUT THERE WITH THE KIDS ALL NIGHT.

WHEN I GOT THERE THEY WERE STILL THERE.

I CAN NEVER -- SORRY.

I COULD NEVER THANK THEM ENOUGH.

THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE PEOPLE PUTTING THEIR ALL INTO THIS,AND AGAIN -- YEAH.

JUST GRATITUDE TO EVERYBODY TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY WAS HURT.

FACE OF INJUSTICE?

UNIVERSITY OFFICIALS, WHEN ASKED FOR COMMENT, POINTED US TOWARD THEIR MANY PRESS RELEASES.

THESE CANNED AND CULTIVATED STATEMENTS WERE ISSUED REPEATEDLY DURING THE PROTEST, ALLOWING ADMINISTRATORS LIKE UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT TOM JACKSON TO AVOID CAMERAS AND FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS.

ONE RELEASE FROM SEVERAL DAYS PRIOR PATTED THE UNIVERSITY ON THE BACK FOR ITS LONG HISTORY OF PROTEST AND DIRECT ACTION, EVEN WHILE STATING UNEQUIVOCALLY THAT THE CURRENT CONFRONTATIONS WERE NOT PROTESTS, BUT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.

AFTER HAVING VISITED THE CAMPUS AND SPOKEN WITH PROTESTORS, HAVING READ THE SIGNS, AND SEEN THE FEAR IN THE MANY STUDENT'S FACES AS THEY AWAITED THE INEVITABLE CONSEQUENCES, I CAN REPORT WITHOUT HESITATION THAT MOST IF NOT ALL THESE STUDENTS WERE FIGHTING WHAT THEY VIEW AS AN INJUSTICE, AND POSSIBLE GENOCIDE, DIRECTED AT A CAPTIVE POPULATION IN GAZA.

SUCH RESISTANCE HAS LONG BEEN THE SUM AND SUBSTANCE OF WHAT THE UNIVERSITY STANDS FOR.

IS IT STILL I WONDER.

THAT'S IT FOR EVENING.

STAY TUNED, BE STAY INFORMED.