>> COMING UP NEXT ON "MEDLINE HUMBOLDT," THE CALIFORNIA COASTAL COMMISSION HAS APPROVED THE PLAN FROM NORDIC AQUAFARMS FOR THE EVENTUAL DISPOSAL OF ITS WASTEWATER, CLEARING THE WAY FOR PROGRESS ON WHAT COULD BE A MAJOR NEW NORTH COAST EMPLOYER.

ALSO, KARUK AND YUROK TRIBAL MEMBER ZACK BROWN JOINS US TO TALK ABOUT A NEW DOCUMENTARY, "STICK CAMP," THAT PROFILES AN ANCIENT GAME THAT HAS LONG BEEN A CHERISHED AND IMPORTANT TRIBAL COMING OF AGE TRADITION.

COMING UP NOW ON "HEADLINE HUMBOLDT."

LIVE CC BY ABERDEEN CAPTIONING 800-688-6621 WWW.ABERCAP.COM FROM THE TOP OF HUMBOLDT HILL, THIS IS "HEADLINE HUMBOLDT."

I'M JAMES FAULK.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

I'VE RECENTLY BEEN EXPOSED, THROUGH AN EMERGING CONFLUENCE OF VARIOUS INTERESTS, TO THE NATURE AND WISDOM OF VARIOUS ABORIGINAL KNOWLEDGE SYSTEMS.

THESE VARY AS WIDELY AS ANY OTHER COLLECTION OF PHILOSOPHIES, BUT THERE ARE SOME COMMONALITIES AMONG THEM THAT I THINK HIGHLIGHT ISSUES IN OUR CURRENT CIVILIZATION AND HOW WE CONCEIVE OF THE WORLD.

IN PARTICULAR, INDIGENOUS GROUPS OFTEN SEE THEMSELVES AS BEING OF THE LAND WHERE THEY'VE MADE THEIR LIVES AND HOMES FOR THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF YEARS.

THEY USE THAT SETTING TO DELINEATE CHANGES IN THEIR LIVES.

THEIR SYSTEMS ARE OFTEN BASED ON BEING A PART OF THE LAND, RATHER THAN ABOVE IT, ON HELPING TO ACHIEVE AND MAINTAIN OVERALL ECOLOGICAL BALANCE, AND ON THE MAINTENANCE AND FURTHERANCE OF A SACRED RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN LIFE AND COMMUNITY.

EXCUSE THE GENERALITIES HERE, AND UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE AS MANY CUSTOMS AND DIFFERENCES AMONG ABORIGINAL GROUPS AS THERE ARE PEOPLE WITHIN THEM.

I DO NOT MEAN TO OVERSIMPLIFY OR CONDESCEND.

LUCKILY, TODAY'S GUEST, ZACK BROWN, JOINS US TO TALK ABOUT A NEW FILM HIGHLIGHTING AN ELEMENT OF THEIR CULTURE THAT HAS LONG BEEN A TOOL TO HELP YOUNG MEN GROW UP AND LEARN HOW TO RESOLVE CONFLICTS AND APPROACH THE WORLD IN CONSTRUCTIVE WAYS.

THESE SACRED, COMMUNAL EXPERIENCES ARE SOMETHING WE, AS AMERICANS, ARE MOSTLY MISSING.

WE HAVE SPORTS AND WE HAVE ENTERTAINMENT, BUT THE MASS OF OUR SOCIETY LACKS A TANGIBLE CONNECTION TO THE LAND WHERE WE LIVE, AND HAS LARGELY ESCHEWED THE IDEA OF CONDUCTING CEREMONIES IN SACRED SPACES OUTSIDE OF A CHURCH BUILDING.

THE FILM, "STICK CAMP," OFFERS A DEEPLY INTIMATE LOOK AT A SEGMENT OF TRIBAL CULTURE NOT OFTEN SEEN BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC, AND IT DEMONSTRATES HOW SUCH CONNECTIONS BETWEEN PLACES AND PEOPLE CAN SOLIDIFY A COMMUNITY AND GIVE THEM STRENGTH TO WEATHER DIFFICULTIES IN LIFE IT'S A MOVING PORTRAIT, AND IT PREMIERS ON KEET-TV THIS SATURDAY AT 6:00 P.M.

WHILE I'M NOT ENCOURAGING THE WORLD TO ADOPT THE SACRED TRADITIONS OF THESE NORTH COAST TRIBES, I DO BELIEVE THAT UNDERSTANDING THE WORLD AND OUR SOCIETIES THROUGH THE LENS OF TRADITION AND NATURAL BALANCE MIGHT HELP THE REST OF US FIGURE OUT A BETTER, AND LESS DAMAGING, WAY TO BE.

BUT ARE WE READY TO LISTEN?

FIRST, THE NEWS.

THE CALIFORNIA COASTAL COMMISSION THIS WEEK APPROVED A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT FOR NORDIC AQUAFARMS, CLEARING ONE MORE HURDLE IN THE LONG AND COMPLICATED APPROVAL PROCESS.

THE PROPOSED FISH FARM, SLATED FOR THE SAMOA PENINSULA, HAD ITS WASTEWATER DISCHARGE PLAN APPROVED, WITH CONDITIONS.

THE PLANT WILL RAISE YELLOWTAIL KINGFISH AND WILL DISCHARGE MORE THAN 10 MILLION GALLONS OF TREATED WASTEWATER PER DAY.

THE EFFLUENT WILL EMERGE FROM AN EXISTING OUTFLOW PIPE LOCATED MORE THAN 150 MILES OFFSHORE.

THE COMMISSION PLACED FIVE CONDITIONS ON THE PERMIT, WHICH PRIMARILY HAVE TO DO WITH COMMITMENTS BY NORDIC AQUAFARMS TO PROACTIVELY MONITOR THE IMPACT FROM THEIR DISCHARGED WATER.

IN ITS SUPPORT OF THE PERMIT, COASTAL COMMISSION STAFF LISTED A NUMBER OF POTENTIAL RISKS FROM THE PROJECT, BUT SAID THAT AVAILABLE INFORMATION INDICATES THAT THOSE WORST-CASE SCENARIOS ARE UNLIKELY.

THE PLANT IS LIKELY TO PRODUCE HUNDREDS OF HIGHLY SKILLED LOCAL JOBS.

THE HUMBOLDT COUNTY GROWERS ALLIANCE, ALONG WITH SEVEN SMALL CANNABIS FARMERS, FILED SUIT IN HUMBOLDT COUNTY SUPERIOR COURT AGAINST THE CONTROVERSIAL MEASURE A.

THE SUIT CLAIMS THAT SIGNATURE-GATHERING EFFORTS FOR THE HUMBOLDT CANNABIS REFORM INITIATIVE, CURRENTLY SLATED TO APPEAR ON THE MARCH 5 BALLOT AS MEASURE A, WERE BASED ON A LIE.

IF THE SIGNATURE-GATHERING EFFORTS FOR MEASURE A WERE TRUTHFUL, THIS INITIATIVE NEVER WOULD HAVE MADE IT TO THE BALLOT, SAID NATALYNNE DELAPP, HCGA'S EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.

IT CLAIMS THAT MEASURE A'S BACKERS INCLUDED MATERIALLY FALSE AND MISLEADING INFORMATION THAT DECEIVED VOTERS INTO BELIEVING THE INITIATIVE WAS ABOUT RESTRICTIONS LARGE-SCALE CULTIVATION AND FAILED TO INCLUDE THE FULL TEXT OF THE INITIATIVE AS REQUIRED BY LAW.

MARK THURMOND, ONE OF THE MEASURE A ORGANIZERS SAYS THIS IS A DESPERATE ATTEMPT TO DENY THE VOTERS OF HUMBOLDT COUNTY TO CAST A VOTE ON MEASURE A.

THEY SHOULD BE MAKING A CASE WHY THERE SHOULD BE NO CANNABIS REFORM, THERE SHOULD NOT BE RESTRICTIONS ON WATER, ET CETERA.

THEY ARE RUNNING INTO COURT AT THE LAST MINUTE AFTER KNOWING ABOUT THE INITIATIVE FOR MORE THAN A YEAR TRYING TO INTERFERE WITH AN ELECTION.

IN CASE YOU WERE WORRIED, LET ME REASSURE ALL OF YOU THAT MY ONGOING INTEREST IN UAPS AND UFOS HAS NOT WANED.

WE'VE SIMPLY ELEVATED THAT INTEREST AND THOSE CONVERSATIONS TO AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT FORUM, YOUTUBE PODCAST NEON GALACTIC, HOSTED BY YOURS TRULY.

THIS WEEK WE POSTED A FANTASTIC INTERVIEW WITH BEST-SELLING AUTHOR AND RELIGIOUS STUDIES PROFESSOR DIANA PASULKA.

TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING ON OUR NEW YOUTUBE CHANNEL, HERE'S AN EXCERPT FROM THAT INTERVIEW, WHICH CAN BE FOUND IN ITS ENTIRETY AT YOUTUBE.COM/@NEONGALACTIC.

>> THE BOOK SOMEWHAT GO TOGETHER.

AMERICAN COSMIC WAS PUBLISHED IN 2019.

IT TALKS ABOUT PEOPLE AFAILUATED WITH THE UNITED STATES SPACE PROGRAM AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD EXPERIENCES WITH WHAT ARE NOW CALLS UAPs, UNIDENTIFIED ANONYMOUS -- PREVIOUS TO THAT FLYING SAUCERS.

THERE IS A NAME CHANGE IN THE EARLY 20th AND 21th CENTURIES.

SO THAT BOOK WAS AN INTERESTING BOOK FOR ME TO WRITE BECAUSE IT WAS FROM MY PREVIOUS WORK IN CATHOLIC HISTORY AND, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT MIRACULOUS EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN BASICALLY AERIAL PHENOMENA.

SO IT WAS SHOCKING TO ME AS A JOURNEY INTO THESE COMMUNITIES OF PEOPLE WHO DO THIS STUDY OF UFOs.

I ACTUALLY HAD NOT SEEN THE X FILES.

I KNEW ABOUT IT, OF COURSE, BEING A CULTURAL PHENOMENA, BUT I DIDN'T EXPECT IT TO HAVE SOME TRUTH TO IT.

THERE WAS A SHOCK INTERNALLY IN TERMS OF MEETING THESE PEOPLE.

WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT WAS WHEN THE BOOK WAS PUBLISHED IN 2019, OF COURSE, IN 2017 THE EXPOSE IN THE "NEW YORK TIMES" ABOUT THE SECRET PROGRAMS AND AFTER THAT IN 2021 WAS THE PENTAGON'S REPORT THAT, INDEED, THEY ARE STUDYING UAPs AND HAVE BEEN FOR A LONG TIME.

SO ENCOUNTERS WAS A LOOK, IT WAS IN A SENSE, A CONTINUATION OF AMERICA COSMIC IN THAT I, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE ASK ME QUESTIONS ABOUT, CAN YOU FEATURE MORE ABOUT THE BELIEFS OF THESE PEOPLE AND WHAT THEY -- YOU KNOW, FEATURE MORE OF THESE PEOPLE AND THEIR BELIEVES BECAUSE WE REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT BROUGHT THEM TO THESE BELIEFS AND HOW HAS IT IMPACTED THEIR LIVES.

"ENCOUNTER" FEATURES CHAPTER AFTER CHAPTER EXTRAORDINARY PEOPLE, ORDINARY PEOPLE WITH EXTRAORDINARY EXPERIENCES, IS PROBABLY HOW I SHOULD SAY THAT.

>> SO WELCOME BACK, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

WE ARE LUCKY TO HAVE ZACK BROWN IN THE STUDIO WITH US TODAY.

WELCOME ZACK.

HE IS A STICK GAME PLAYER AND A COACH FOR KIDS.

WE WILL HEAR HIM TALK ABOUT THE GAME AND THE FILM "STICK GAME" WHICH WILL BE PREMIERING ON KEET-TV TOMORROW, SATURDAY, AT 6:00 P.M.

IT IS A BEAUTIFULLY MADE FILM, THE DIRECTOR IS -- >> STEVE KNOX.

>> STEVE KNOX DIRECTED IT AND DID A FANTASTIC JOB.

IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PRODUCT SO THANKS FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU.

>> TO GET STARTED, LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW THE FILM CAME TO BE AND WHAT YOU GUYS WERE TRYING TO DO IN THE MAKING OF IT?

>> I STARTED WORKING FOR TRINIDAD RANCHERIA IN THE TRIBAL COURT IN 2022.

I'M GRATEFUL AND THANKFUL TO HAVE AN AWESOME AND AMAZING JUDGE I'M WORKING WITH NOW THAT GAVE ME THE CREATIVE FREEDOM TO START WORKING ON THIS PROJECT.

>> MM-HMM.

>> KNOWING THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A NEED FOR THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY AND IT IS SOMETHING I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PASSIONATE ABOUT.

HE ALLOWED ME TO START WORKING ON THIS PROGRAM.

WHAT THAT ENTAILED WAS HAVING PRACTICES LIKE ALL YEAR LONG AND HOSTING WORKSHOPS.

AND THEN SETTING UP AN EVENT FOR THE STICK CAMP WAS PART OF THIS PROCESS FOR THE PROGRAM AND ALSO SETTING UP A TOURNAMENT.

>> YEAH.

>> SO THAT IS HOW THIS CAME TO BE.

WE STARTED DOING PRACTICES.

WE STARTED DOING A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT LED UP TO THE FILM AND THEN I GOT IN CONTACT WITH A FAMILY FRIEND, STEVE KNOX, AND THE REST IS HISTORY.

>> THE REST IS HISTORY.

NOW, IT IS AN INTERESTING FILM FOR A NUMBER OF WAYS BECAUSE IT TALKS ABOUT BASICALLY HOW THE COMMUNITY TRADITION OF STICK GAME AND THE FAMILY HISTORIES THAT ARE INTERTWINED IN THERE AND THE KIDS AND WHAT THEY GET OUT OF THE PROCESS.

SO WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO TALK ABOUT, BUT IT REVEALS SOMETHING IN TRIBAL CULTURE FOR A LOT OF OYEARS HAS BEEN A PRIVATE THING AMONG TRIBAL MEMBERS.

IS THERE A RISK OF TAKING THAT GAME OUT OF THAT CONTEXT AND SHOWING THAT TO OTHER PEOPLE?

IS THERE ANYTHING YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT IN THAT PROCESS?

>> I WOULD SAY THE ONLY RISK IS NOT EXPOSING IT TO PEOPLE.

I HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE TRIBE ACTUALLY TRAIN WITH MY TEAM AND PLAY WITH MY TEAM.

WE'VE HAD PEOPLE FROM HUMBOLDT STATE FOOTBALL TEAM AND RUGBY PLAYERS JUST HOP ON MY TEAM AND PLAY AND JUST BEING ABLE TO EXPOSE THIS PART OF THE CULTURE IS SOMETHING SPECIAL.

I DON'T THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE HIDDEN.

>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

GO AHEAD.

>> A LONG TIME AGO, THERE ARE THINGS IN THE VILLAGE THAT WAS COMMON KNOWLEDGE TO, LIKE, EVERYONE.

EVERYONE IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.

WHEN I CAME TO THE MEDICINE PEOPLE OR PEOPLE THAT WERE REALLY SPECIAL IN THE COMMUNITY IN ORDER TO, LIKE, LEARN FROM THEM, YOU HAVE TO GET CLOSE TO THAT FAMILY OR CLOSE TO THOSE FAMILY MEMBERS AND TRAIN WITH THEM FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME TO ATTAIN THAT KNOWLEDGE.

>> YEAH.

>> SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU LEARN THAT WAS COMMON KNOWLEDGE TO EVERYONE VERSUS SOMEONE WHO HAD TO SPEND TIME MASTERING SOMETHING.

>> A PRIVILEGE.

YOU GOT TO MEET SOMEONE AND TEST YOUR METTLE AND LEARN THOSE THINGS.

>> YES.

>> WE WILL GET A SENSE AN FEEL OF THE AESTHETIC OF THE MOVIE.

LET'S WATCH THAT FIRST CLIP, PLEASE.

>> MY NAME IS ZACK BROWN.

YUROK AND KARUK.

RIGHT NOW WE ARE AT ONE OF THE VILLAGE SITES WHERE MY FAMILY COMES FROM.

SO WE'RE HAVING STICK CAMP AND THIS IS THE SECOND STICK CAMP WE'VE HAD.

THE LAST ONE WE HELD WAS IN 2015.

IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A LOT OF YOUNG MEN TO LEARN ABOUT SOME OF THE TRADITIONAL TRAINING, THE STICK GAMES.

>> MY NAME IS JEFF GUIDO, YUROK TRIBE MEMBER AND TALIWA DESCENT HERE AT SUMOCK VILLAGE FOR STICK CAMP.

WE ARE DOING A LOT OF TRAINING, FROM THE GROUND UP, TEACHING THESE BOYS HOW TO MAKE STICKS, HOW TO MAKE TASSLES.

IT WAS A GOOD GOAL TO TEACH THEM ABOUT MANAGING THEIR AGGRESSION.

AS MALES WE NEED TO LEARN HOW TO MANAGE OUR AGGRESSION AND USE IT IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY INSTEAD OF TAKING IT OUT IN THE STREETS AND USING ANGER IN OUR LIVES IN NEGATIVE WAYS.

WE ARE TRYING TO TEACH THEM HOW TO USE THAT AGGRESSION WE HAVE AS MALES IN A POSITIVE WAY.

>> THE BONDING OF THE KIDS HAVING THE KIDS BE AROUND STRONG MEN AND LEADERS.

SOME OF THESE KIDS DON'T SEE THAT ALL THE TIME.

AND THEY ARE UNAWARE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

SO HAVING PEOPLE WHO ARE STRONG, WHO ARE MENTALLY TOUGH, WHO WILL SEE THE CHALLENGE AND GO THROUGH IT AND THEY CAN LEARN IT THROUGH STICKS.

THEY SEE THE WAY WE ARE.

THEY SEE THE WAY WE ARE AS PEOPLE AND MENTORS AT THE CAMP.

THE KIDS WILL SEE THAT, WHETHER THEY KNOW THAT OR NOT.

>> SO, OF COURSE, THE QUESTION ARISES WHAT IS THE ACTUAL GAME?

I DON'T EXPECT TO KNOW HOW TO PLAY IT, BUT CAN YOU GIVE US A SENSE OF WHAT THE MECHANICS ARE AND WHAT THE FOAL -- GOAL OF THE GAME PLAY.

>> THE GAME IS PLAYED ON A FIELD 150 YARDS LONG, RECTANGULAR SHAPED FIELD LIKE A FOOTBALL FIELD OR SOCCER FIELD.

THREE MAIN POSITIONS, IT IS A THREE ON THREE GAME.

THE THREE POSITIONS, THERE IS A CENTERMAN, CALLED THE SCRATCHER.

YOU HAVE ANCHOR ON ONE END OF THE FIELD AND YOU HAVE A RUNNER.

YOUR ANCHOR IS ONE OF YOUR STRONGEST GUYS AND HE IS SUPPOSED TO HOLD DOWN THE RUNNER.

ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE YOU HAVE THE RUNNER.

IT IS THE SAME THING.

>> TEAMS IN THE SAME POSITIONS.

>> YES.

THEN THE SCRATCHERS START OFF IN THE MIDDLE.

THE GUYS IN THE MIDDLE CALLED THE SCRATCHERS USE THESE TOSSLES.

ONE OF THE PLAYERS STARTS OFF WITH A TASSLE IN THEIR MOUTH LIKE THIS.

THEN WE USE THESE STICKS -- >> YEAH.

>> TO SCRAPE ON THE GROUND.

THERE IS A WAY WE SCRAPE ON THE GROUND AND THE GOAL IS TO DROP THESE TASSLES OUT OF YOUR MOUTH AND AS SOON AS IT HITS THE GROWN, IT IS GO TIME >> IN PLAY.

LIKE THE TIP-IN BASKETBALL.

>> THIS IS MY FAVORITE SOUND, BEFORE EACH POINT STARTS YOU HEAR SOMEONE YELL LOCK UP.

>> YEAH.

>> IT GIVES ME CHILLS JUST HEARING IT.

THE ANCHORS AND RUNNERS START WITH THEIR STICKS IN THEIR MOUTH LIKE THAT.

THERE IS A WALKUP POSITION WHERE WE GRAB EACH OTHER'S ARMS.

>> KIND OF LIKE WRESTLING.

>> YES.

YOU HAVE TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO WHEN THE TASSLES DROP.

WHEN THEY DROP, THE FIRST FLICK CAN GO INTO A REALLY SHORT GAME OR A REALLY LONG GAME.

SO THE OBJECT OF THE GAME IS TO GET THE TASSLES TO ONE END OF THE FIELD.

>> OKAY.

>> BUT YOU CAN GRAPPLE WITH YOUR STICK, YOU CAN TRIP SOMEONE WITH YOUR STICK.

YOU CAN USE THE STICK TO TIE SOMEONE UP WITH.

>> TAKE IT THROUGH THEIR LIMBS?

>> YEAH.

YOU CAN USE THE STICK AS LEVERAGE TO GRAB SOMEONE.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS YOU CAN USE THE STICK FOR BESIDES HITTING THE TASSLES.

IT IS THE BEST TWO OUT OF THREE AND WHOEVER GETS THE FIRST TWO POINTS WINS THE GAME.

>> YEAH.

>> THERE ARE A LOT OF LIMITS, YOU CAN TACKLE PEOPLE, YOU CAN WRESTLE THEM TO THE GROUND.

LET'S SEE -- >> THIS IS EFFECTIVELY THE BALL OF THE GAME.

SCORING A POINT IS GETTING IT PAST A CERTAIN LINE?

>> YEAH.

I MEAN, THERE IS A LINE THAT YOU HAVE TO CROSS IN ORDER FOR THAT POINT TO SCORE.

>> OKAY.

>> SOME OF THE BIGGEST RULES ARE YOU CAN'T JAB SOMEBODY WITH YOUR STICK, YOU CAN'T PUNCH OR KICK ANYBODY.

>> YEAH.

>> BUT THERE ARE NO TIME-OUTS.

>> ONCE THE THING IS IN -- >> ONCE THE THING IS IN, YOU HAVE TO KEEP PLAYING UNTIL A POINT IS SCORED.

THIS IS WHERE THAT ENDURANCE COMES IN.

>> SURE, SURE.

>> AND THE TRAINING PAYS OFF.

IF YOU GET INJURED ON THE FIELD, UNLESS IT IS VERY SEVERE, THEY WON'T STOP THE GAME UNTIL A POINT IS SCORED.

YOU HAVE TO STAY IN IN.

AFTER THE POINT IS SCORED YOU CAN HAVE A NEW PLAYER SUB IN.

>> OKAY.

>> THAT IS THE INTENSITY OF THE GAME.

>> YEAH.

A SHORT GAME AND A LONG GAME YOU MENTIONED.

THE BUY THE HAS A STICK, THE TASSLES DROP, HE LAUNCHES IT A LONG WAY AWAY AND THAT INVOLVES A LONG GAME, PROBABLY INVOLVES MORE RUNNING?

>> IF HE HITS THE TASSLES REALLY FAST AND HE BREAKS AWAY FROM THE GUY HE IS SCRATCHING AGAINST AND TAKES OFF RUNNING, HE HITS IT A FEW TIMES WITHOUT MISSING THE TASSLES AT ALL, IT CAN BE 15, 20 SECONDS.

BUT IF EVERYONE IS PRETTY EVENLY MATCHED, I HAVE BEEN IN GAMES WHERE IT WAS 45 MINUTES JUST FOR ONE POINT.

>> FOR ONE POINT?

WOW.

>> I HAVE HEARD OF GAMES GOING LONGER THAN THAT.

>> THIS IS A LOT OF OSPRINTS.

>> YES.

>> SPRINTING, STARTING AND STOPPING.

TWO POINTS OUT OF THREE, SO BASICALLY THERE ARE PROBABLY PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY GOOD WITH THEIR STICKS, DIFFERENT SKILL POSITIONS.

>> MM-HMM.

>> I MEAN, THIS IS NOT IN OUR LIST OF QUESTIONS, BUT I'M FASCINATED BY IT.

WHAT DO YOU LOOK FOR IN A PLAYER, IF YOU HAVE A TEAMMATE, WHAT IS YOUR STRENGTH AND BEST COMPLEMENT FOR YOU GOING INTO A MATCH?

>> THE WAY I TRAINED, I HAD TO DO A LOT OF ENDURANCE TRAINING.

WE HAD TO DO A LOT OF LONG DISTANCE RUNNING.

WHEN I FIRST STARTED PLAYING WITH THE MEN, I WAS 17.

I'M 38 NOW.

WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, MY BROTHER WAS 18 AND MY COUSIN WAS 19.

>> YEAH.

>> THEY USED TO BEAT ME UP PRETTY GOOD.

WE WERE THE YOUNGEST TEAM IN THE MEN'S DIVISION AND THEY TOLD ME, YOU HAVE TO BE GOOD AT ALL POSITIONS BECAUSE WE ARE GOING SWITCH UP.

>> YEAH.

>> YOU HAVE TO BE GOOD AT ANCHOR, BE A GOOD RUNNER AND GET GOOD AT SCRATCHING.

SO THAT IS HOW I TRAINED WITH ALL THE PLAYERS I HAD ON MY TEAM THROUGHOUT MY LIFE, IF YOU ARE GOING TRAIN WITH ME, YOU ARE GOING BE RUNNING A LOT, YOU MIGHT BE RUNNING, YOU MIGHT BE SCRATCHING AND YOU MIGHT BE ANCHOR.

THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WERE STRICTLY ANCHORS.

MOST PEOPLE I TRAINED WITH AND PLAYED WITH THROUGHOUT MY STICK CAREER HAS BEEN, YOU HAD TO BE GOOD AT ALL OF THEM.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS I APPRECIATED IN THE FILM, THIS IS SOMETHING I WAS TRYING TO GET AT IN THE INTRO, THIS IS NOT JUST A SPORT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

FOOTBALL OR BASEBALL, GO OUT BUY A MITT, THROW NIT THE CLOSET.

THESE ARE VALUABLE ITEMS.

PEOPLE MAKE THESE THINGS.

IT IS NOT A FOR-NOTHING PROCESS.

IN THE FILM YOU HAVE THE KIDS LEARNING HOW TO MAKE IT, I DON'T WANT TO SAY SACRED, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THAT SIGNIFICANCE FOR MYSELF, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A PROCESS.

CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS OF MAKING IT AND WHAT ARE YOU CONVEYING TO THE KIDS WHEN YOU DO THAT?

>> SO.

I HAD A PICTURE I SENT IN THAT ENCAPSULATES THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.

MAKING THE STICK AND TASSLES IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PROCESSES, BESIDES ALL THE TRAINING, THE DIETING, JUST A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT GO INTO THAT.

THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PROCESS IS MAKING A GOOD STICK.

MAKING A GOOD SET OF TASSLES.

AND THE WAY I WAS TRAINED IS ONCE YOU MAKE THESE, THERE'S CERTAIN PLACES -- YOU CAN DO THIS ANYWHERE, BUT YOU FAST A NUMBER OF DAYS OR AS LONG AS YOUR BODY CAN HANDLE.

>> YEAH.

>> THE POINT OF THAT FASTING IS OUR PEOPLE WOULD DO THIS TO BECOME LIKE HYPER FOCUSED, WHERE THIS IS ALL YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT.

WE DO THIS WITH HUNTING, FISHING AND A NUMBER OF THINGS WHERE YOU FAST BEFORE YOU GO HUNTING AND YOU FAST BEFORE YOU GO FISHING AND YOU FAST BEFORE YOU DO A NUMBER OF THINGS, BUT IT IS TO FOCUS YOUR ENERGY.

>> YEAH, YEAH.

>> A LOT OF THE TIME AND ENERGY YOU PUT INTO MAKING THIS, YOU WANT ALL THAT GOOD ENERGY TO GO INTO WHAT YOU MADE.

THIS IS GOING BE USED THROUGHOUT YOUR LIFE.

IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS OF SIGNIFICANCE, PEOPLE USE THAT OR LOOK AT THAT OR MAYBE EVEN USE THAT FURTHER ON DOWN THE LINE IN THEIR FAMILY AFTER YOU PASSED ON BECAUSE IT HAS THAT MUCH OF AN IMPACT TO THE PEOPLE.

>> IN THE FILM, THERE IS A CLIP, WE ARE GOING PLAY THAT NEXT.

YOU HAVE THE KIDS AND ARE STARTING TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

I THINK IT IS BEAUTIFUL.

SO IF WE CAN RUN THAT SECOND CLIP, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AFTERWARDS.

>> ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS I HAD WAS WHEN WE WENT TO THE BEACH AND WE HAD ALL OF THESE LITTLE BOYS SIT QUIETLY FOR ABOUT 10 MINUTES STRAIGHT.

AND SO WHEN ZACK, WHO WAS LEADING IT, AND HE SAID HE WANTED THEM TO SIT QUIETLY AND THINK ABOUT WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR FOR 10 TO 15 MINUTES, I THOUGHT THAT IS PRETTY AMBITIOUS.

TO WATCH THESE YOUNG BOYS BE ABLE TO SIT STILL AND BE QUIET AND BE IN THE SPACE THEY WERE IN THAT AMOUNT OF TIME WAS PRETTY AMAZING.

>> TODAY WAS AWESOME.

WE GOT TO TWO DOWN ON THE BEACH AND ANY TIME I MADE A STICK IN THE PAST, I WAS ALWAYS TOLD IT WAS IMPORTANT TO FAST AND MAKE MEDICINE FOR THE STICK THAT YOU MADE.

AND THE TASSLES.

SO I WANTED TO TEACH THAT TO THE KIDS.

AND TO SEE THE KIDS LISTEN, BE PATIENT, WHEN I ASKED THEM TO BE QUIET AND THINK ABOUT SOMETHING REALLY POSITIVE AND SEE THEMSELVES IN THE FUTURE, NOW THEY ARE GOING USE THAT STICK AND THINK OF SOMETHING GOOD.

AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHT MOMENTS FOR ME WATCHING THESE KIDS, YOU KNOW, PAY ATTENTION, TO LISTEN, AND TO DO THIS TOGETHER AS A GROUP.

THAT WAS ONE OF MY BIG HIGHLIGHTS.

>> SO YOU KIND OF DESCRIBED IT THERE, BUT I MEAN, LIKE, WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS TEACHING THESE KIDS HOW TO APPROACH THE GAME.

CAN YOU SORT OF DESCRIBE FOR ME HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO TEACH THAT TO YOUTH TODAY GIVEN EVERYTHING THEY ARE SURROUNDING BY AND THE LIVES WE ARE LEADING, HOW DIFFERENT AND IMPORTANT THIS KIND OF FOCUS AND, I DON'T KNOW, ENERGY IS FOR MAKING SOMETHING SO INTRINSIC?

>> YES.

SO I'VE WORKED WITH A FEW YOUTH THROUGHOUT MY LIFE WHERE THEY GOT TO EXPERIENCE WHAT IT IS LIKE WORKING AND FASTING AND DOING SOME TRAINING AROUND THIS FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME, BUT FOR SOME OF THE YOUTH I WAS WORKING WITH AT THIS CAMP, IT WAS THEIR FIRST TIME FASTING.

>> YEAH.

>> AND WE HAD, YOU KNOW, A LATE DINNER, BUT THEY WENT ALL NIGHT.

THEY WENT OVER 12 HOURS OF FASTING.

>> WHICH IS A LONG TIME FOR A BOY.

>> WHICH IS A LONG TIME FOR A NUMBER OF KIDS.

THEY WERE ALL UP TO THE TASK AND WHEN WE GOT DOWN TO THE BEACH AND I GOT THEM TO SIT DOWN, I TOLD THEM, SO WE'RE GOING DO THIS ABOUT 10 MINUTES.

I WANT YOU GUYS TO SIT DOWN, BE PATIENT AND THINK ABOUT HOW YOU WANT TO USE THIS THE REST OF YOUR LIFE AND PUT ALL THAT GOOD ENERGY INTO, LIKE, WHAT YOU JUST MADE.

AND I WENT OVER 10 MINUTES.

WE ACTUALLY WENT UP TO ABOUT A HALF AN HOUR, BUT IT WAS JUST AMAZING TO SEE.

THESE ARE KIDS I HAVE WORKED WITH A LITTLE BIT SINCE THEY WERE YOUNGER AND A LOT OF THEM ARE PRETTY WILD.

ONCE YOU GET THEM ALL TOGETHER, IT'S HARD TO KEEP THEM QUIET.

LIKE ALL DAY, ALL NIGHT, A LOT OF NOISE, A LOT OF ACTIVITIES, BUT JUST TO SEE THESE BOYS MAKE THAT TRANSITION TO BEING COMPLETELY PATIENT, SILENT, AND REALLY TAKE THAT TIME AND ENERGY AND FOCUS ON WHAT THEY JUST CREATED.

>> YEAH.

AND FULFILLING SOMETHING FOR THE FUTURE, POSITIVE INTENTION.

>> YES.

>> WE HAVE ABOUT TWO MINUTES LEFT.

ONE THING WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IS WHAT THIS DOES FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.

I GUESS THE BROADER COMMUNITY, IN TERMS OF WHAT ROLE THIS GAME PLAYS AND HOW IT MIGHT WORK INTO THE FUTURE.

WHAT IS THE IMPACT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR?

>> SO I WOULD LIKE TO GET INTO THE DISPUTE RESOLUTION.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THIS IS A TRADITION, THIS WAS USED TO SETTLE DISAGREEMENTS AND POTENTIAL BATTLES OTHERWISE?

>> YES.

EWE HAVE THREE STEPS.

ONE WAS VERBAL COMMUNICATION.

IF WE COULDN'T TALK THINGS OUT WE MOVE INTO A STICK GAME WHERE IT BECAME MORE PHYSICAL.

THAT WOULD BE THE STEP AFTER, YOU KNOW, THE VERBAL COMMUNICATION IN ORDER TO PREVENT WAR.

SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE LOSS OF LIFE, SO THIS WAS THE NEXT BEST STEP IN SETTLING THINGS.

>> YEAH.

THAT IS AMAZING.

WE HAVE A MINUTE LEFT.

REAL QUICK, WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE PART OF THE FILM?

>> FAVORITE PART OF THE FILM?

DEFINITELY THERE'S A SCENE DOWN AT THE BEACH WHERE A COUPLE OF THE BOYS WERE ALL STANDING AROUND.

THERE IS A SHORT CLIP THAT GOT HEAVILY EDITED, BUT THE MATCH BETWEEN THESE TWO BOYS DOWN AT THE BEACH, IT'S THEIR FIRST TIME DOING IT.

>> YEAH.

>> THEY HAD SO MUCH FUN AND SEEING THE EXCITEMENT FROM THE KIDS AND EVERYBODY CHEERING THEM ON.

THAT WAS HUGE.

>> AWESOME, MAN.

THANK YOU FOR COMING ON THE SHOW.

>> THANK YOU.

>> APPRECIATE YOUR WORK.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT.

THIS WAS A GOOD SHOW.

I GOT CHILLS FOR SOME REASON.

THAT MEANS IT IS GOOD BROADCASTING.

STAY TUNED.

STAY INFORMED.