LIVE CC BY ABERDEEN CAPTIONING 800-688-6621 WWW.ABERCAP.COM >> COMING UP NEXT ON "HEADLINE HUMBOLDT," THE CALIFORNIA FACULTY ASSOCIATION, A UNION REPRESENTING THE EDUCATORS, COACHES, AND COUNSELORS OF THE STATE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM, HAS VOTED TO AUTHORIZE A STRIKE AS CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS RESUME.

ALSO, WE SIT DOWN WITH A PALESTINIAN WOMAN AND CAL POLY HUMBOLDT STUDENT, JAMILLA, ON HER FEARS AND OBJECTIONS SURROUNDING THE ONGOING CONFLICT IN GAZA.

COMING UP NOW ON "HEADLINE HUMBOLDT."

>> FROM THE TOP OF HUMBOLDT HILL, THIS IS "HEADLINE HUMBOLDT."

I'M JAMES FAULK.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

MORE THAN 20 YEARS AGO NOW, I WAS A CUB REPORTER FOR THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER WHEN OUR GOVERNMENT DECIDED THAT THE ATTACK ON THE WORLD TRADE CENTER WARRANTED AN INVASION OF IRAQ.

AT THE TIME, I SUPPOSE I BOUGHT INTO THE ARGUMENTS MADE BY AUTHORITIES THAT SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS POTENTIALLY HIDING WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, AND THAT HE WAS POISED TO DEPLOY THEM AGAINST THIS COUNTRY.

I, LIKE SO MANY OTHERS, WAS SWEPT UP IN THE FERVOR OF THE MOMENT AND DIDN'T ASK SOME OF THE HARD QUESTIONS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASKED WHEN IT COMES TO WAR, KILLING, AND THE DESTRUCTION OF A SOCIETY.

I ACTUALLY LOST A GOOD FRIEND OVER THE ISSUE.

HE FELT, RIGHTFULLY SO IT TURNED OUT, THAT MEDIA HAD ACQUIESCED TOO EASILY TO THE ARGUMENTS MADE IN FAVOR OF WAR.

WHILE I HAD LIMITED ABILITY IN MY ROLE AT THE "EUREKA TIMES-STANDARD" TO MAKE THAT KIND OF STAND, HE WAS RIGHT THAT JOURNALISTS IN THAT MOMENT WERE SUFFERING AT THE TIME FROM GROUPTHINK.

I COULD HAVE DONE MORE.

YET I GOT DESERVE, AND IN THE END, THE DIFFERENCE OF OPINIONS DESTROYED A VALUABLE FRIENDSHIP.

SO QUESTIONS ALWAYS NEED TO BE ASKED.

TONIGHT WE GET TO HEAR FROM A YOUNG PALESTINIAN WOMAN WHO HAS DEEP AND RATIONAL REASONS FOR OPPOSING THE ONGOING INVASION OF GAZA.

HER FAMILY IS THERE NOW, WEATHERING THE VIOLENCE, AND SHE'S BEEN ACTIVE HERE IN HUMBOLDT COUNTY MAKING HER OWN VOICE HEARD AND ASKING FOR A CEASE FIRE.

WHETHER OR NOT WE AGREE WITH THE INVASION OF GAZA, IT'S DISGUSTING TO ME THAT EVEN POSING THE QUESTION HAS LED TO REPUGNANT ACCUSATIONS OF ANTI-SEMITISM.

LET ME BE CLEAR.

OPPOSING THE WAR OR CRITICIZING ISRAEL'S TREATMENT OF PALESTINIANS OVER THE PAST 70 YEARS, DOES NOT QUALIFY AS RACISM OR PREJUDICE AND WE ALL NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE BEING HURT AND KILLED RIGHT NOW IN GAZA ARE INNOCENT CIVILIANS WHO WERE AS HORRIFIED BY THE RECENT ATTACK ON ISRAEL BY HAMAS AS EVERYONE ELSE.

IT COULD EVEN BE ARGUED THAT THEY WERE MORE HORRIFIED BECAUSE THEY SAW IN THE ATTACK THE UNFOLDING RATIONALE FOR THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION.

I KNOW THIS ISSUE AROUSES STRONG FEELINGS AND DEEP RESENTMENT FROM BOTH SIDES, BUT I TRUST MY AUDIENCE ENOUGH TO BELIEVE WE CAN HAVE THESE NUANCED DISCUSSIONS WITHOUT ADDING TO THE HATRED AND MISUNDERSTANDING THAT SEEMS TO BLIND THE WORLD.

I DON'T EXCUSE THE HAMAS ATTACK UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

IT WAS HORRIFIC, BLOODY, AND TERRIBLE IN A WAY WE'VE SELDOM SEEN.

I UNDERSTAND ISRAEL'S NEED TO PROTECT ITSELF AND PREVENT FUTURE ATTACKS.

BUT NEITHER DO I EXCUSE THE EXCESSES AND BRUTALITY OF ISRAEL AGAINST FOLKS WHO, FOR THE MOST PART, HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SHEDDING ISRAELI BLOOD, NOR CAN I IGNORE THE HISTORY THAT HAS MADE ALL OF THIS SO VERY COMPLEX AND DIFFICULT.

BUT FIRST, OTHER NEWS.

THE CALIFORNIA FACULTY ASSOCIATION, A LABOR UNION REPRESENTING THE EDUCATORS, COACHES, AND COUNSELORS OF THE 23-CAMPUS STATE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM, VOTED THIS PAST WEEK TO AUTHORIZE A STRIKE.

IT'S A VOTE OF CONFIDENCE FOR UNION LEADERSHIP, AND WHILE IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY PORTEND AN IMMINENT STRIKE, IT DOES MAKE THAT POSSIBLE AND PROVIDES THE UNION WITH LEVERAGE IN GETTING ITS CONTRACT DEMANDS MET.

THE AUTHORIZATION WAS SUPPORTED BY 95% OF UNION MEMBERSHIP.

CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS ARE SET TO BEGIN AGAIN SOON IN EARNEST.

WE SPOKE WITH LOREN CANNON, A CAL POLY HUMBOLDT PROFESSOR AND UNION REPRESENTATIVE, WHO EXPLAINED WHAT EMPLOYEES ARE SEEKING.

>> WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BUDGET OF THE CSU.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THEM HOARDING, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

BRINGING IN MORE MONEY EVERY YEAR THAN THEY ARE PUTTING OUT AND THEN AS TIME GOES ON, THE AMOUNT OF THAT MONEY THAT IS GOING ACTUALLY TO TEACHING AND SERVING CALIFORNIA STUDENTS, THAT KEEPS BEING DECREASED.

IF YOU DON'T TREAT FACULTY WELL, IF YOU DON'T TREAT THOSE OF US COUNSELING OUR STUDENTS, TEACHING OUR STUDENTS, COACHING OUR STUDENTS, WORKING THEM IN THE LIBRARY, THAT IS NOT A WAY TO SERVE CALIFORNIA STUDENTS.

A BUDGET IS A MORAL DOCUMENT.

IT IDENTIFIES WHAT IS VALUED AND WHAT WE SEE NOW IS TEACHING, COACHES, COUNSELING, WORKING WITH STUDENTS IN THE LIBRARY, IS NOT -- IS NOT VALUED.

SO WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IS WE ARE ASKING FOR SALARY SO WE HAVE A CHANCE TO STAY ABOVE INFLATION.

THAT'S A BIG DEAL.

WE'RE ASKING FOR THE LOWEST PAID FACULTY MEMBERS TO HAVE A BUMP IN THAT LOWER BASEMENT OF THEIR PAY.

RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT FACULTY MEMBERS ACROSS THE STATE WHO LITERALLY HAVE TO HAVE SECONDARY JOBS.

BECAUSE IT IS NOT A LIVING WAGE.

FOR FACULTY MEMBERS, THERE'S A LOT OF SCHOOLS IN THE 23-CAMPUS SYSTEM WHERE YOU'LL HAVE A CLASS TO 30 AND THEN IT GOES TO 33, 35, 40, AND THAT GOES TO 45.

THAT REALLY IMPACTS THE EDUCATIONAL ENVIRONMENT OF THAT CLASSROOM.

AND IT ALSO AFFECTS THE WORKLOAD OF THAT FACULTY MEMBER.

>> CITING THE HIGH PAY AND GENEROUS BENEFITS ENJOYED BY THE SYSTEM'S CHANCELLOR, CANNON SAID FACULTY MEMBERS ARE FEELING DISRESPECTED BY THE SYSTEM'S INFLEXIBILITY ON ISSUES RELATED TO LOW PAY, GROWING WORKLOAD, AND SYSTEMIC INEQUITIES.

>> WE'RE NOT FEELING RESPECT.

WE'RE NOT FEELING RESPECTED WHEN THE CHANCELLOR OF THE SYSTEM HAS A SALARY OF $1 MILLION AND HAS A HOUSING ALLOWANCE OF $96,000 A YEAR.

THAT IS JUST FOR HOUSING.

SO THE CHANCELLOR GETS A $96,000 HOUSING ALLOWANCE, $12,000 CAR ALLOWANCE.

THE REST OF US ARE BUYING OUR OWN HOUSES AND CARS.

IT IS A MALL DISTRIBUTION OF RESOURCES IN CALIFORNIA AND FACULTY MEMBERS ARE NOTICING THAT.

WE ARE NOTICING THE COVID INFLATION TIME TOOK AWAY OUR POWER TO TAKE CARE OF OURSELVES AND OUR FAMILY.

SO, YEAH, 95% SAID THAT IF WE NEED TO WITHHOLD OUR LABOR, WE WILL.

AND THAT'S THE BIG DEAL, YOU KNOW.

IT IS A VOTE OF CONFIDENCE FOR OUR DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED UNION LEADERSHIP.

AND A RECOGNITION THAT ALL THE GOOD ARGUMENTS THAT WE HAVE PUT FORWARD AT THE BARGAINING TABLE UP TO NOW, IN TERMS OF HEALTH AND SAFETY, IN TERMS OF SALARY, IN TERMS OF ALLOWING PEOPLE TO HAVE ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, SALARY TO COME IN THEY DON'T NEED A SECOND JOB.

IN TERMS OF WORKLOAD.

ALL OF THOSE GREAT ARGUMENTS HAVE NOT MADE ANY EFFECT ON THE CHANCELLOR'S OFFICE BARGAINING TEAM.

SO, YEAH, OUR MEMBERS ARE FED UP.

>> THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THIS WEEK ANNOUNCED THAT THE HUMBOLDT BAY HARBOR DISTRICT WILL RECEIVE AN $8.7 MILLION GRANT TO SUPPORT THE CONSTRUCTION OF A WIND POWER TERMINAL ON HUMBOLDT BAY.

THE MONEY WILL GO TOWARD A HEAVY LIFT MARINE TERMINAL AND WILL SUPPORT THAT PROJECT UP THROUGH SHOVEL READY STATUS.

BOB KARL, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AND GENERAL MANAGER, CROWLEY WIND SERVICES, SATE THE GRANT IS PIVOTAL IN HELPING THE PROJECT ADVANCE.

I'M SORRY.

THIS MARKS ANOTHER MILESTONE IN OUR PATH TOWARD GIVING THE COUNTY, STATE, AND THE NATION A NEW SOURCE OF ENERGY THAT RESPECTS THE ENVIRONMENT AND REDUCES GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, KARL SAID.

THE MONEY COMES FROM THE 2023 PORT INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH AROSE OUT OF PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN'S INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN.

HARBOR DISTRICT PRESIDENT GREG DALE THANKED EVERYONE INVOLVED FOR THE ALLOCATION.

AS THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD, THE DISTRICT IS COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY, FISHERMEN, AND TRIBES, TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACTS AND MAXIMIZE THE LOCAL BENEFITS.

KEET IS A CANDIDATE FOR SEEDS FOR CHANGE AT THE NORTH COAST CO-OP .

SEEDS FOR CHANGE LETS YOU ROUND YOUR PURCHASES UP TO THE NEAREST DOLLAR AND DONATE THE REMAINDER.

THE PROCEEDS FROM THESE GO DIRECTLY TO SUPPORT NONPROFITS LIKE KEET.

IF YOU ARE A CO-OP MEMBER, PLEASE VOTE FOR US TO BE ONE OF THE LUCKY MONTHLY RECIPIENTS FOR 2024.

VOTE ONLINE AT NORTHCOAST.COOP, OR VOTE IN PERSON AT EITHER OF THEIR LOCATIONS BY NOVEMBER 9TH.

WE'RE JOINED NOW BY JAMILLA, A PALESTINIAN WOMAN AND STUDENT AT CAL POLY HUMBOLDT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING IN.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> WE HAVE NOT USED YOUR LAST NAME AT YOUR REQUEST FOR SAFETY CONCERNS AND I DEEPLY RESPECT AND APPRECIATE THIS.

THIS IS DANGEROUS AND VOLATILE TIME FOR MANY FOLKS ESPECIALLY PEOPLE EXPRESSING YOUR POSITION.

CAN YOU START BY DESCRIBING WHAT YOUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN OVER THE LAST MONTH AS YOU HAVE SEEN THIS SITUATION UNFOLD AND HOW IT HAS AFFECTED YOU PERSONALLY AND ANY OTHER WAY?

>> YEAH.

ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH.

IT'S BEEN UTTERLY CATASTROPHIC.

I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO PRETEND LIKE I CAN LIVE A NORMAL LIFE RIGHT NOW WHILE I'M WATCHING PALESTINIANS BEING MASSACRED, LIKE LIVE BROADCASTS, WITH IMPUNITY, WITHOUT ACCOUNTABILITY, TO A DEGREE THAT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE EVER REALLY SEEN.

>> YEAH.

>> ESPECIALLY JUST WITH SO MUCH FOOTAGE AND VIDEOS AND PHOTOS.

SO, YEAH, I'M HORRIFIED, TO SAY THE LEAST.

I THINK I'M ACTUALLY ALMOST OUT OF WORDS TO DESCRIBE THE LEVEL OF HORROR I'M FEELING.

>> YOU HAVE BEEN RAISED IN THE UNITED STATES, IS THAT RIGHT?

>> YEAH.

>> YOU STILL HAVE FAMILY LIVING THERE?

>> YEAH.

>> HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE YOU RELATED TO THAT ARE STILL IN THE AREA?

>> I HAVE A LOT OF AUNTS AND UNCLES.

I DON'T KNOW THE STATUS OF THEIR SAFETY.

WITH THE WIFI AND ELECTRICITY ALWAYS GOING OUT, IT IS NOT ALWAYS A CONSTANT COMMUNICATION.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE IN GAZA AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T DISCLOSE THEIR INFORMATION TO ME BECAUSE IT IS NOT SAFE.

>> YEAH.

>> SO I JUST CHECK IN AS MUCH AS I CAN.

I DON'T ASK HOW YOU ARE DOING, I ASK ARE YOU STILL ALIVE.

>> HAVE YOU BEEN TO PALESTINE YOURSELF?

>> YES.

>> CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT LIFE IS LIKE IN PALESTINE.

I KNOW IT HAS NOT BEEN COMFORTABLE TO A LARGE DEGREE THE TREATMENT THE PALESTINIANS HAVE RECEIVED AT THE HANDS OF THE ISRAELIS.

GRANTED, THERE IS A LONG HISTORY, BUT IT IS NOT HAPPENING IN A VACUUM.

CAN YOU DESCRIBE HOW THE CONDITIONS WERE ROUGH BEFORE THIS BEZBHAN >> YEAH.

BECAUSE HISTORY HAS NOT BEGUN AT OCTOBER 7.

PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN LIVING IN AN ISRAELI REGIME SINCE 1948.

PALESTINIANS HAVE TO GO THROUGH MILITARY CHECK POINTS ISRAELIS DON'T HAVE TO.

THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR PERMITS TO TRAVEL TO CERTAIN AREAS THAT OFTEN GET DENIED.

I SAW ISRAELI SOLDIERS HARASSING A PALESTINIAN CHILD, WHO WAS SPECIAL NEEDS, MAKING HIM TURN IN SISHLGLES WHILE POINTING A GUN AT HIM.

THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING TO PALESTINIANS FOR ABOUT 80 YEARS NOW.

>> YOU ARE GETTING INVOLVED INSTEAD OF BEING ON THE SIDELINE HORRIFIED.

THIS IS A COMPLEX ISSUE FOR SOMEONE MAKING THAT DECISION.

CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THAT EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN LIKE AND THE REACTION YOU HAVE RECEIVED BOTH GOOD AND BAD FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

>> FOR ME IT IS NOT COMPLEX BECAUSE GENOCIDE IS WRONG NO MATTER WHO IT IS HAPPENING TO.

I GENERALLY FEEL FOR MYSELF AND ALL OF US, WHATEVER VOICE AND PRIVILEGE WE HAVE WE SHOULD BE USED CALLING FOR A CEASE FIRE AND BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS FOR PALESTINIANS THEY HAVE BEEN DENIED OF FOR 80 YEARS.

IT IS THE LEAST I CAN DO TO SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THIS AND I'M COMMITTED TO CONTINUING TO TO THAT.

>> HAVE YOU ENCOUNTERED NEGATIVITY OR ANGER FROM PEOPLE?

>> OF COURSE.

I GET CALLED ANTI-SEMITIC BECAUSE I DON'T WANT MY PEOPLE TO BE BRUTALIZED UNDER A RACIST REGIME.

I GET CALLED A TERRORIST, AND A RAPIST BECAUSE I DON'T WANT PALESTINIANS TO BE MASSACRED.

IT IS WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECTED, A LOT OF RESISTANCE AND A LOT OF PROPAGANDA THAT CONFLATES BEING PRO-PALESTINIAN RIGHTS WITH BEING ANTI-SEMITIC, WHICH IS NOT.

>> THERE HAS BEEN AN EFFORT FROM FOLKS ON THE EXTREME RIGHT TO CO-OP THE PROTESTS.

HAVE YOU EXPERIENCED ANY OF THAT AND WHAT IS THE REACTION ON THE FROUND?

ARE PEOPLE -- HOW DOES THAT UNFOLD?

>> I HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED THAT PERSONALLY, BUT, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT DOES GET TIED INTO THE WORK WE ARE TRYING TO DO WHICH IS CALLING FOR A CEASE FIRE.

WE ARE NONVIOLENT AND ANYONE CO-OPTED VIOLENCE IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO.

>> DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOUR SIDE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT IS STANDING UP TO THAT ENCROACHMENT?

>> I JUST HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED IT PERSONALLY.

>> THAT IS A GOOD POINT.

>> YEAH.

>> SO ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK HAPPENS IN THESE SITUATIONS IS WE ARE ALL FED A BETRAYAL OF A GROUP OF PEOPLE OR A SITUATION AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON IN TERMS OF THE PERSONALITY OF THE PEOPLE OR THE TENOR OF THE MOMENT.

COULD YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR OWN PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT YOU LOVE ABOUT PALESTINE AND PALESTINIANS SO PEOPLE CAN GET A SENSE OF THE RICHNESS OF THE CULTURE MAYBE WE DON'T GET TO SEE ON THE BOMBING FOOTAGE ON CNN.

>> YEAH.

I'M A LITTLE BIASED BECAUSE I'M PALESTINIAN.

PALESTINIANS ARE SOME OF THE MOST GRACIOUS AND LOVING PEOPLE I HAVE EVER MET IN MY LIFE.

EVEN WHEN I WAS IN PALESTINE AND LEARNING ABOUT WHAT THEIR LIVES ARE LIKE LIVING UNDER APARTHEID, THEY COOKED US FOOD, MADE US COFFEE, INVITED US IN THEIR HOME AND DANCED AND TREATED US LIKE TRUE FAMILY.

ABOVE THAT, THEY DON'T WANT TO BE SEEN AS VICTIMS.

THEY WANT THEIR BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS AND LIVE FREELY JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.

YEAH, PALESTINIANS ARE BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL PEACEFUL PEOPLE.

>> YEAH.

AND THE OTHER IMPRESSION I THINK PEOPLE GET IS THAT EVERYONE IN PALESTINE IS A POLITICAL RADICAL.

I HAVE A FEELING, CALL IT MY SENSE FROM BEING A 47-YEAR-OLD, THAT THE PEOPLE POLITICALLY INVOLVED ARE A SLIM MINORITY AND MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING ABOUT THEIR LIVES.

CAN YOU BACK THAT UP FOR ME?

WHAT IS THE AVERAGE PALESTINIAN THINK ABOUT THE POLITICS AND STUFF THAT IS GOING ON?

>> YEAH.

I MEAN, HAMAS DOES NOT REPRESENT ALL PALESTINIANS BY ANY MEANS AT ALL.

JUST LIKE YOU CAN'T ASSOCIATE JUST A CERTAIN RESISTANCE GROUP IN REPRESENTING ALL PEOPLE.

LIKE, ARE WE LETTING THE INSURRECTION HAPPENED AT THE CAPITOL REPRESENT ALL AMERICANS?

YOU CAN'T EXTEND THAT SAME JUDGMENT TO PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT AT FAULT HERE.

>> YEAH.

NOW, I MEAN, RECOGNIZING THE RIGHT OF ISRAEL TO DEFEND ITSELF BUT ALSO CALLING FOR A CEASE FIRE, HOW WOULD YOU ADVISE THEM TO GO FORWARD THAN WHAT THEY HAVE DONE?

>> RHETORIC WE ARE HEARING FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN IS EXTREMELY PROBLEMATIC AND STILL TODAY GIVING MORE AID TO ISRAEL TO AID WAR CRIMES.

THEY ARE NOT CALLING THIS WHAT IT IS, WHICH IS A GENOCIDE.

BASICALLY EVERYTHING OUR DEALERS ARE DOING RIGHT NOW ARE COMPLETELY WRONG.

>> WHAT SHOULD ISRAEL HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY?

IF YOU WERE IN CONTROL OF ISRAEL, I KNOW YOU ARE NOT, HOW WOULD YOU APPROACH A TRYST -- TERRORIST ATTACK LIKE THAT.

>> WELL THE THING IS ISRAEL HAS BEEN ATTACKING PALESTINIANS FOR 80 YEARS.

I KNOW THAT IS NOT A DIRECT ANSWER, BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW ISRAEL SHOULD RESPOND CONSIDERING THEY HAVE BEEN COMMITTING EGREGIOUS VIOLENCE FOR 80 YEARS AGAINST THE PALESTINIANS.

>> IF YOU COULD SIT DOWN WITH JOE BIDEN, WHAT WOULD YOU TELL HIM AS A PALESTINIAN WOMAN?

WHAT WOULD YOU DEMAND OF HIM IN TERMS OF JUST ACTION?

>> WE ARE TELLING HIM WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO AS A PRESIDENT AND HE IS NOT LISTENING.

IF I WERE IN THE SAME ROOM WITH HIM I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK HIM IN THE EYE AND SEE IF THERE IS ANY OUNCE OF HUMANITY LEFT INSIDE OF THAT PERSON.

>> WOW.

I ASSUME THE SAME THING WOULD GO FOR THE OTHER LEADERSHIP AS WELL?

>> YEAH.

I THINK THERE IS NOTHING LEFT ON THAT ONE.

>> SO DO YOU FEEL SAFE IN HUMBOLDT COUNTY RIGHT NOW?

WE ARE NOT USING YOUR LAST NAME AND YOU HAVE BEEN OUT IN PUBLIC PROTESTING.

DO YOU FEEL LIKE THERE HAS BEEN A PHYSICAL THREAT YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF OR ARE YOU JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL?

>> I MEAN, I DEFINITELY EXPERIENCE RACISM AND DISCRIMINATION.

I HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING IT A LITTLE MORE IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS.

I DON'T FEEL FULLY SAFE BUT I HAVEN'T FELT FULLY SAFE ANYWHERE.

SO THAT IS NOTHING REALLY NEW.

BUT, AGAIN, THIS DOES -- WILL PROBABLY CONTINUE TO POSE RISKS TO MY SAFETY AND I'M AWARE OF THAT.

>> YEAH.

PEOPLE ACT LIKE ASKING FOR A CEASE FIRE IS ANTI-SEMITIC.

WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.

CAN YOU DESCRIBE FROM YOUR OWN PERSPECTIVE WHY YOU THIS THAT IS WRONG HEADED?

>> THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH JUDAISM.

WE ARE CONDEMNING A GOVERNMENT THAT IS COMMITTING GENOCIDE AGAINST PALESTINIANS AND WE ARE NOT CONDEMNING THAT, NOT JUDAISM.

ISRAEL DOESN'T REPRESENT JUDAISM.

THE THOUSANDS IF NOT MILLIONS OF JEWISH PEOPLE PROTESTING AGAINST ISRAEL RIGHT NOW SAYING NOT IN OUR NAME, ISRAEL DOES NOT REPRESENT JUDAISM.

WHAT WE ARE CALLING FOR IS NOT ANTI-SEMITIC.

>> WHEN YOU HAVE ATTENDED THESE PROTESTS, HOW DID THEY COME ABOUT?

WAS IT SOMETHING THAT WAS GRASSROOTS OR DESCRIBE THAT PROCESS?

>> YEAH.

IT WAS LITERALLY ME AND MY JEWISH FRIEND WHO HAS BEEN AN ACTIVIST FOR PALESTINIAN HUMAN RIGHTS FOR YEARS.

WHEN THIS HAPPENED WE HAD TO GET A VIGIL GOING OR DO SOMETHING, WE CAN'T NOT DO ANYTHING.

WE WERE TALKING I SAID, I THINK I HAVE SIX PEOPLE I CAN INVITE.

SHE SAID, I HAVE THREE.

WE WERE LIKE, THAT IS GREAT THAT IS A LOT.

AND THE COMMUNITY JUST SHOWED UP IN THIS WAY THAT I WAS NOT ANTICIPATING OR EXPECTING.

PEOPLE RECOGNIZE THIS IS NOT OKAY, WHAT IS HAPPENING.

>> YEAH.

>> SO IT HAS FLOURISHED INTO SOMETHING MORE THAN US HOLDING THIS SPACE.

IT IS PEOPLE SHOWING UP AND DOING WHATEVER THEY CAN DO NAME THIS FOR WHAT IT IS.

>> THE WHOLE REGION IS COMPLICATED.

THERE ARE THREE MAJOR RELIGIONS BASICALLY OBSESSED WITH THE CITY OF JERUSALEM AND THE AREA.

THEY CLAIM IT WITH THEIR HISTORY.

SOME HAVE MORE IMMEDIATE CONNECTION THAN OTHERS, BUT THERE IS THIS IDEA THAT THE PLACE IS SACRED FOR ALL INVOLVED AND IT IS SORT OF PIVOTAL TO THEIR COLLECTIVE WORLD VIEWS, BUT IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

AND FOR THAT REASON, PARTLY, THAT HAS LED TO THE CONFLICT WE HAVE HAD.

PEOPLE THINK SOMEHOW THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO THE PLACE BASED ON WHAT THEIR FAITH SAYS.

ARE YOU RELIGIOUS YOURSELF?

AND A LOT OF PEOPLE CRITICIZE RELIGION WHEN THEY REFLECT ON THESE SITUATIONS.

IF WE DIDN'T HAVE SO MUCH PASSIONATE BELIEF FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, VIOLENT, THIS WOULDN'T HAPPEN.

DO YOU FEEL THAT WAY ABOUT RELIGION AND HOW HAS THIS AFFECTED YOUR OWN SPIRITUALITY, IF AT ALL.

>> I WOULDN'T CALL MYSELF RELIGIOUS BUT I'M CULTURALLY MUSLIM FOR SURE.

THE REALITY IS CHRISTIANS USE MUSLIMS AND JEWS HAVE BEEN LIVING IN PALESTINE PEACEFULLY FOR YEARS.

THERE WAS NO VIOLENCE.

THEY HAVE BEEN LIVING PEACEFULLY IN THIS REGION FOR SOME TIME.

IT IS NOT ABOUT RELIGION.

IT IS ABOUT A STATE TRYING TO REPRESENT A RELIGION AND TRYING TO PAINT THIS AS A RELIGIOUS WAR AND CERTAINLY THERE ARE CLASHES THAT DO HAPPEN ON THE GROUND, BUT LET'S JUST LOOK AT WHAT HISTORY WAS BEFORE THE STATE OF ISRAEL WAS CREATED AND WE CAN SEE THAT PEOPLE OF ALL FAITHS HAVE BEEN LIVING IN THIS REGION.

>> THERE HAS BEEN CONFLICT FOR A LONG TIME AS WELL.

SOME OF THOSE -- MOST VIOLENT ON BOTH SIDES ARE DEEPLY RELIGIOUS.

IT IS INTERESTING TO ME THAT THE PEACE ACCORD IN THE 90s WHEN PRESIDENT CLINTON HAD THEM TO THE UNITED STATES AND THEY WERE ABOUT TO SIGN A DEAL AND THAT WAS ABOUT TO GO FORWARD IT ENDED BECAUSE THE JEWISH PRIME MINISTER AT THE TIME WAS ASSASSINATED.

HE WAS ASSASSINATED BY A JEWISH PERSON.

THE ONE-SIDEDNESS OF THE WARS AND THE CONFLICTS HAS BEEN PUSHED ON THE PALESTINIANS, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS NECESSARILY TRUE.

THERE IS SO MUCH PASSION AND BELIEF AND, YOU KNOW, CYNICISM ON BOTH SIDES I MEAN THAT I THINK IT HAS BEEN PROBLEMATIC.

WHAT DO YOU THINK I MEAN IN TERMS OF THE REFUGEE SITUATION IN PALESTINE.

HOW CAN WE DO MORE?

IF THERE IS NO CEASE FIRE, HOW CAN WE DO MORE?

ANY THOUGHTS OF HOW WE CAN ALLEVIATE THAT SITUATION IF ISRAEL IS NOT GOING LISTEN?

>> THERE HAS TO BE A CEASE FIRE.

THERE IS NO WAY TO BEGIN TO AID PALESTINIAN REFUGEES UNTIL THERE IS A CEASE FIRE AND DISMANTLING OF ISRAELI APARTHEID.

THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO BEGIN TO BRING ANY KIND OF RESOLVE TO THIS ISSUE.

SO BEFORE WE WERE ASKING PEOPLE TO SEND, YOU KNOW, DONATE TO HUMANITARIAN AID.

BUT AT THIS POINT IT IS JUST WE HAVE TO HAVE A CEASE FIRE.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO OTHER WAY AROUND IT.

>> ONE THING PRESIDENT BIDEN DID SAY WE NEEDED A CEASE FIRE, BUT HE SAID IT ONLY IN THE CONTEXT TO GET HOSTAGES OUT.

>> HE SAID A HUMANITARIAN PAUSE.

>> YEAH, OKAY.

>> TRUE POINT.

TRUE THAT.

I GUESS I WAS JUST THINKING CEASE FIRE.

THAT IS NOT CEASE FIRE.

IT IS TECHNICALLY NOT THE SAME THING.

>> NO.

>> I WAS GOING THROUGH THE STATS OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN KILLED, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN WOUNDED AND THE NUMBERS ARE STAGGERING.

I COULDN'T FIND THE CURRENT DEATH TOLL FOR PEOPLE IN GAZA, BUT 32,000 GAZANS HAVE BEEN INJURED JUST IN THE SHELLING.

1.4 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE LEFT NORTHERN GAZA AND MOVED SOUTH OR OTHERWISE FLED.

1.4 MILLION PEOPLE A LOT OF PEOPLE.

AND THEY HAVE BEEN FORCED OUT OF THEIR HOMES AND WERE TOLD HERE IS A DEADLINE AND YOU NEED TO MOVE.

AND THERE ARE MASSIVE REFUGEE CAMPS.

ONE THING I DIDN'T REALIZE IS PALESTINE CONSISTS OF REFUGEES FROM OTHER AREAS.

THEY ARE BR UNSETTLED AND BEING UNSETTLED AGAIN AND MOVING MORE INTO A PLACE LESS SAFE.

THE CUMULATIVE TOTAL HAS TO BE HORRIFICALLY TRAUMATIC.

WE HAVE A FEW MINUTES LEFT.

MY QUESTIONS WEREN'T THE BEST SO IF THERE IS SOMETHING I HAVE MISSED YOU WOULD LIKE TO PUT OUT THERE, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

>> SO A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF PEACE.

WHAT PEACE LOOKS LIKE IN THIS REGION.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK EVERYBODY WHAT PEACE LOOKS LIKE TO YOU.

WHAT WE ARE BEING SHOWN IS IN ORDER TO BE PEACE PALESTINIANS HAVE TO BE KILLED.

HOW MANY?

OVER 9,000 PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN KILLED SINCE OCTOBER 7.

THAT IS NOT ENOUGH?

HOW MANY?

50,000?

THE REST OF THE 2 MILLION PEOPLE IN GAZA.

JARED HUFFMAN, I WAS TALKING TO HIS OFFICE ASKING HIS STANCE ON THE CEASE FIRE.

HE IS PROMOTING THE HUMANITARIAN PAUSE.

SO ISRAEL CAN CONTINUE BOMBING GAZA AT SOME POINT?

ESSENTIALLY MATTER.

NOT ONLY DO OUR LIVES NOT MATTER BUT OUR LIVES ARE INTERFERING WITH THE SO-CALLED PEACE PROCESS.

FOR THOSE OF US WHO TRULY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON, AN IMMEDIATE CEASE FIRE, NAMING THIS AS A GENOCIDE, HOLDING THOSE ACCOUNTABLE, HUMANITARIAN AID AND DISMANTLING THE ISRAELI APARTHEID REGIME.

IT IS NOT CALLING FOR THE ERADICATION OF ALL ISRAELIS.

JUST AS IN SOUTH AFRICA, WE DID NOT CALL FOR THE ERADICATION OF WHITE PEOPLE.

PALESTINIANS DO NOT HAVE THE SAME BASIC RIGHT AS ISRAELI JEWS.

THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH CHECKPOINTS, APPLY FOR PERMITS.

IF WE WANT TO GO TO COLORADO, WE DRIVE THERE, WE FLY THERE, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A CHECKPOINT.

AS AMERICAN CITIZENS WE HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS.

PALESTINIANS DO NOT HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS.

THIS IS APARTHEID.

DISMANTLING THIS APARTHEID SYSTEM IS A WAY TOO TRUE PEACE.

>> I'M JUST REMINDED OF THE ATTACKS ON 9/11 WHEN THIS WHOLE THING UNFOLDED AND IT IS ONE THING YOU DON'T REALIZE WHEN YOU REACT THIS WAY TO A HORRIFIC ATTACK OR WHATEVER ELSE IS IT, VIOLENCE BEGETS VIOLENCE.

IF YOU ATTACK GAZA BECAUSE HAMAS ATTACKED YOU, YOU ARE CREATING A WHOLE NEW GENERATION OF HAMAS FIGHTERS AND DOING IT TIMES 10.

ALL THE PEOPLE GETTING BOMBED ARE KILLED OR STARVED OR TORTURED OTHERWISE, THEY BASICALLY ARE GOING WANT TO FIGHT TO GET OUT OF THAT SITUATION.

IT IS A NEVER ENDING CYCLE OF CONTINUING VIOLENCE AND REPRISAL AND YOU END UP IN A SITUATION WHERE IT SEEMS LIKE REMOVAL AND DEATH ARE THE ONLY OPTIONINGS AND WE CAN'T BE IN THAT PLACE >> NO, WE CAN'T.

I DON'T CONDONE VIOLENCE.

IT IS AN INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED FOR PEOPLE TO FIGHT.

WHEN PALESTINIANS DO IT, WE CALL THEM TERRORISTS.

>> THANK YOU FOR COMING IN.

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