AND SHE GOT A CALL THAT TWO MEN HAD JUST TESTIFIED THAT BACK IN 1945 WHEN THEY WERE LITTLE KIDS THEY HAD WITNESSED THE ARRIVAL AND THE CRASH OF AN OBJECT ABOUT 20 MILES FROM THE TRAINING SITE.

NOW THE TRAINING SITE IN NEW MEXICO IS INSIDE WHITE SANDS WHICH IS A VERY LARGE DESERT AREA WHERE THE FIRST ATOMIC BOMB EXPLODED.

IT WAS EXPLODED TO OPPENHEIMER AND I WAS STANDING IN A GROUP OF LEADING PHYSICIST AND FERMI AND SEVERAL OTHER NOBEL PRIZES TO DEMONSTRATE EXPLOSIONS AND TO PREPARE OF COURSE THE END OF THE WAR IN THE PACIFIC.

THE FACT THAT THAT OBJECT WAS SEEN JUST ONE-MONTH AFTER THE EXPLOSION OF THE OTHER BOMB WHEN THAT WHOLE AREA WAS TRYING TO RECOVER FROM WHAT HAD HAPPENED FROM THE EFFECTS OF THE BOMB.

TWO DAYS AFTER THE CAPTURE OF THE EMPEROR OF JAPAN IS OBVIOUSLY IS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT.

THERE WERE A LOT OF THE OTHER SIGNIFICANT SIGHTINGS IN THE HISTORY OF BUT THIS ONE IS REALLY REMARKABLE.

THE OTHER THING -- TWO OTHER THINGS ARE REMARKABLE.

THE FIRST, THE WITNESSES NEVER SPOKE UNTIL 60 YEARS LATER.

ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO THEY STARTED COMING OUT.

THE STORY CAME OUT OF THE FACT THAT THERE WERE REUNITED BY ACTUALLY AN INTERNET SEARCH,AND I HEARD ABOUT IT AND CONTACTED THEM.

WE CALLED IT THE DETAILS OF THEIR EXPERIENCED.

SHE BROUGHT ME INTO THE INVESTIGATION ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO AND I'VE GOT TWO NEW MEXICO A NUMBER OF TIMES, ABOUT SIX TIMES NOW TO GO TO THE SITE AND TO INSPECT THE SITE, TO TAKE MEASUREMENTS AND TO SPEAK WITH THE ONE SURVIVING WITNESS WHO IS MR. JOSE PADILLA.

HE WAS A NINE-YEAR-OLD AT THE TIME OF THE CRASH, WITNESSED IT, WAS ON SITE FOR THE NEXT 10 DAYS AS THE ARMY RECOVERED THE CRASH AND TOOK IT AWAY.

RAW ME BAKAR WHO WAS A 7-YEAR-OLD WAS ALSO ON THE RANCH HELPING MANAGE THE RANCH, TAKING OF THE ANIMALS OF THE FENCES AND THE DAY-TO-DAY WORK ON THE RANCH FOR THEIR FATHER.

HAD DIED BEFORE HE COULD BE INVOLVED.

THEY RECALLED HIS TESTIMONY.

MR. TABAKA WAS A PROMINENT BUSINESSMAN IN THE STATE OF WASHINGTON.

BASED ON THAT WE RECONSTRUCTED HISTORY WHAT HAD HAPPENED, AND OBVIOUSLY, THE OBVIOUS SIGNIFICANCE OF THE CASE.

BECAUSE EVERYBODY ASSUMES UFOs STARTED IN 1947.

ROSWELL ALL OF THAT HAPPENED IN 1947.

THINK OF AS WE DO RESEARCH, WE BUMP INTO NEW INFORMATION AND WE HAVE TO REVISE.

IN THIS DOMAIN LIKE ANY OTHER DOMAIN WE NEED TO REVISE WHAT WE KNEW.

IN FACT, THE 1947 CASE THROWS A WHOLE NEW LIFE AND MORE CREDIBILITY ON ROSWELL.

REMEMBER, IN ROSWELL THERE WAS NO WITNESS.

SOMEBODY HEARD -- FOUND REMAINS, FOUND SOME HARDWARE IN AN ISOLATED AREA, AND REPORTED IT TO THE POLICE AND TO THE ARMY.

AND TO THE AIR FORCE.

IN 1945 THERE WAS NO AIR FORCE.

THERE WERE AIRPLANES AND IT WAS THE ARMY AIR FORCE.

IN 1945 THERE WERE NO FLYING SAUCERS BUT THE TERM HAD NOT ENTERED THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE.

SO LOTS MUCH THINGS THAT ARE VERY UNIQUE ABOUT THIS CASE, AND MAKE IT AN EXTRAORDINARY REFERENCE FOR US IN DOING RESEARCH.

THAT'S WHAT THE BOOK WAS ABOUT.

THE BOOK WAS CRITICIZED AS THAT'S ALWAYS FAIR TO HAVE CRITICISM.

THE CRITICISM WAS LIKE THE TWO WITNESSES WE QUOTED MOSTLY WERE TWO KIDS.

WELL, OF COURSE THERE WERE TWO KIDS BECAUSE ONLY THE MEN IN THAT WERE STILL IN UNIFORM SCATTERED FROM GERMANY.

SO THE KIDS IN THAT -- AT THAT MOMENT WERE THE ONLY ONES ENTRUSTED WITH THE COMMON WORK ON THE RANCH.

LIKE MAKING SURE THE FENCES WERE INTACT, MAKING SURE THE COWS WERE OKAY.

THERE WAS THEY EXPECTED THE COW TO HAVE A COW AND IT WAS INSURED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MOTHER AND KID WERE OKAY.

THEY DID THAT.

THEY TOOK CARE OF THE COW.

THOSE TWO KIDS WERE SMART.

THEY DROVE THE FAMILY TRUCK.

THERE WAS NOBODY ELSE TO DRIVE.

THEY HAD HORSES ON THE PROPERTY.

THEY WERE THE RANCH WAS VERY LARGE.

THEY HAD BINOCULARS.

THEY HAD PROFESSIONAL GOOD BY THE WAY KNOCK LURS TO READ THE BRANDS ON THE COWS TO SEE IF A COW FROM A NEARBY RANCH HAD COME ON TO THEIR PROPERTY.

MR. PADILLA WENT ON TO BECOME A POLICE OFFICER IN CALIFORNIA.

HE HAD TWO WOUNDS.

SO AS I MENTIONED WAY WAY BACK BEING A SEVEN-YEAR-OLD WHO GREW UP TO BE A BUSINESSMAN IN THE STATE OF WASHINGTON WHERE HE BECAME ACTIVE POLITICALLY, AND IN FACT, BECAME AWARE THERE WAS A REPORT ABOUT THAT RECOVERY OF THE UFO ON THEIR RANCH.

HE BECAME AN ASSISTANT TO DIXIE RAY WHO WAS GOVERNOR OF WASHINGTON AND THEN HAD THE ATOMIC ENERGY COMMISSION.

SO SHE HAD TALKED ABOUT WHAT HAD HAPPENED.

SO THAT EXPLAINS WHY THE TWO KIDS NEVER SPOKE.

IF YOU GO TODAY TO ONE OF THE LOCAL RESTAURANTS IN THE AREA THERE'S NOT MUCH IN THE AREA DON'T EXPECT FRENCH CUISINE.

BUT THERE'S SOME NICE RESTAURANTS THERE.

ON THE WALL THEY HAVE THE OLD POSTERS ON THE WALL IF YOU SEE SOMETHING YOU DON'T SAY ANYTHING.

LOU GOSSETT AND THEY FOLLOWED THAT TO THE LETTER BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF REPORTING WHAT THEY HAD SEEN.

IT WAS FAIRLY CLEAR IT WAS A SECRET OPERATION.

>> AND WE WERE JUST WORLD WAR II.

>> THE QUESTION WHY IS IT YOU DON'T FIND ANYTHING BUT THE KIDS IN THE AIR FORCE.

WELL THE AIR FORCE DIDN'T EXIST.

THAT'S ONE REASON.

ANOTHER REASON IS THAT THIS OBJECT FELL ON LAND AND LOST CONTROL IN PROJECT MANHATTAN.

WELL OUTSIDE THE 20 MILES OF THE FEDERAL PROJECT OF PROJECT MANHATTAN WHERE THE BOMB WAS DETONATED, BUT THE ORGANIZATION IN CLAURGE WITHIN THE GOVERNMENT IS -- BECAME THE ATOMIC COMMISSION.

FIRST IT WAS PROJECT MANHATTAN WHICH WAS COMPLETELY SECRET.

IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE UNLESS YOU READ THE HISTORY BOOKS.

AND THEN IT WAS SECRET WITHIN THE ATOMIC ENERGY COMMISSION.

THERE WERE CLEARANCE YOU GET NORMALLY IF YOU HAD THE C.I.A.

OR STATE INVOLVEMENT.

YOU ONLY GET THAT CLEARANCES IF YOU HAVE TO DO WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

SINCE WE PUBLISHED THE FIRST BOOK, WE FOUND NEW WITNESSES AND WE'RE WANTING TO PUT THEIR TESTIMONY IN THE BOOK.

WE ALSO WANTED TO ARRANGE FOR A FROM -- HE WAS NOT A KID.

HE WAS A FARMER NEARBY HE SAW ALL OF THIS.

WE CAN GO MORE INTO THAT STORE.

>> THERE WERE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ONE OF THE THINGS WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT YOUR BOOK THIS PUTS THE START OF THE UFO BACK TWO YEARS AND MORE DIRECTLY LINKS IT WITH THE NUCLEAR AGE.

OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST 50, 70 YEARS THERE'S BEEN A HIGH CORRELATION OF SIGHTINGS OF LIGHTS IN THE SKY OR STRANGE CRAFTS AROUND NUCLEAR FACILITIES.

DO YOU THINK THAT -- WHAT DO YOU ASSESS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN NUCLEAR POWER AND WEAPONS AND THIS PHENOMENON?

>> WELL, I WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL THERE.

>> SURE.

>> THE STATEMENT HAS BEEN MADE IT'S A TRUE STATEMENT THAT THERE IS A HIGH LEVEL OF REPORTS OF OBSERVATIONS MADE AROUND NUCLEAR FACILITIES.

AND THOSE OF THE SOVIET UNION AND NOW RUSSIA.

IN FACT, THERE HAVE BEEN MEETINGS AS HIGH LEVEL AS AMERICAN RESPONSE AGENTS AND THE RUSSIANS ABOUT SIMPLY BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO START FIRING THOSE MISSILES BY MISTAKE.

THAT WOULD BE A VERY GOOD REASON WHY WE'RE GOING TO WAR.

AND EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE IMMEDIATE DANGER.

SO THE FACT THAT THOSE THE RUSSIANS AND US IN THE U.S. HAVE HAD THOSE INCIDENTS WHICH ARE WAY BEYOND -- WHICH ARE TESTING THE SECURITY.

WE KNOW THERE HAS BEEN INTRUSIONS TO TEST THE SECURITY OF NUCLEAR FACILITIES.

BUT THIS IS ANOTHER LEVEL.

THIS IS INTRUSIONS THAT WE DON'T UNDERSTAND AT ALL AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL INCLUDING TIMES WHEN THE MISSILES WERE SHUT DOWN.

INCLUDING ONE TIME WHEN THE MISSILES WERE TURNED DOWN WHICH IS EVEN WORSE.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> ANOTHER IN NUCLEAR WAR BUT I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE ALL OF US HAVE ARRIVED TO US QUESTIONS TO BE CONCERNED.

OBVIOUSLY.

>> YEAH.

>> YES, YOU'RE RIGHT.

THE CONNECTION WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS IS THERE.

DON'T TELL ME IT'S JUST A COINCIDENCE THAT THIS EXTRAORDINARY OBJECT WOULD COME OUT OF NOWHERE, APPROACHING OVER THE NORTH END OF THE WHITE SANDS PERIMETER AND HIT A COMMUNICATION TOWER WHICH WAS RIGHT OUTSIDE THE NUCLEAR AREA.

AND THEN CRASH ON THIS RANCH.

ALL OF THAT EXACTLY ONE NIGHT AFTER THE FIRST EXPLOSION OF THE ATOM BOMB.

I READ A LOT ABOUT THE EXPLOSION OF THE FIRST ATAMME BOMB.

BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET A NUMBER OF HISTORY BOOMS THAT HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED IN THE LAST FEW YEARS BASED ON THE RELEASE OF ATOMIC DOCUMENTS THAT WERE UNDER LOCK AND KEY FOR 50 YEARS MANAGED BY HISTORY KUNS.

SO AND FINALLY PUBLISHED AND MADE AVAILABLE TO ACADEMIA.

AND A NUMBER OF VERY, VERY GOOD BOOKS HAVE BEEN WRITTEN RECENTLY ABOUT THE END OF WORLD WAR II WHEN THERE WAS DISCOVERED WE WERE NOT TOLD IN SCHOOL.

PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THE END OF THE WORLD WAR II AND THE USE OF THE THE ATOMIC BOMB.

>> REALIZING -- BECAUSE I GREW UP IN EUROPE AND I USED TO I LEARNED ABOUT WORLD WAR II IN EUROPE.

AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH TAKEN FOR GRANTED ONCE NUCLEAR WAS OVER IT WAS OVER.

IT WASN'T OVER.

IN JAPAN IN ASIA AND THE PACIFIC.

SO I'VE READ ALL OF THAT, AND I'M PROUD TO SAY IT'S IN THIS BOOK.

>> YEAH.

AND I WANTED TO PINT OUT THAT -- IT HAS SIGNIFICANCE IN THE TERMS OF THE ATOMIC SIGNIFICANCE.

>> IT'S SORT OF A COMING TOGETHER OF THE THREADS.

YOU HAVE THE UFO AND YOU HAVE THIS SMALL COMMUNITY THAT'S ADVERSELY IMPACTED BY THESE EXPLOSIONS.

AND THERE'S REMY'S MOTHER WAS BLINDED.

>> JOSE'S MOTHER.

THEY HEARD IT VERY HEARD THE EXPLOSION.

THERE WAS NO WAY TO MISS IT.

AND SHE OPENED THE SHUTTERS TO LOOK AT WHAT WAS GOING ON AND SHE WAS BLINDED IN ONE EYE.

JOSE ALSO HEARD THE EXPLOSION AND STARTED BLEEDING FROM HIS EAR.

HE'S DEAF IN ONE EAR.

>> THAT'S MENTIONED IMPACTS FROM ENVIRONMENTALLY LATER ON.

THIS COMMUNITY WAS REALLY AT THE CENTER OF THIS TERRIBLE ECOLOGICAL DISASTER.

-- IT'S A VERY MOVING.

TRINITY THE BEST KEPT SECRET.

BY JACQUES VALL ÉE.

HE'S PROFESSES TO BE A FRIEND OF YOURS.

HE'S PASSED.

HE DOES A GREAT JOB OF CHARTING OUT OF YOUR PHILOSOPHICAL ARC AND IN TERMS OF WHERE YOU STAND ON THE UFO FAU NAM NAM.

AND THEN THIS BOOK IS A DEPARTURE WHERE YOU COME LANDING AND HARDWARE.

DOES THIS REPRESENT AN EVOLUTION IN YOUR THINKING.

HOW HAS THAT CHANGED DURING THE COURSE OF THIS BOOK.

>> I'VE ALWAYS BEEN OUT IN THE FIELD TALKING TO THE WITNESSES, SCREENING THE DATA.

AS YOU KNOW MY BACKGROUND IS IN COMPUTER SCIENCE.

AND SO I'VE BEEN BUILDING -- CONTINUING TO BUILD VARIOUS KINDS OF DATABASES WHICH CAN INFORM US ABOUT THE OVERALL STRUCTURE OF THE PHENOMENA INSTEAD OF THINKING OF ONE BIT DATA AT A TIME.

AND YOU ALSO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE LARGER PICTURE WHAT IT MEANS.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS INTRIGUED WAS THE TIMING OF THIS.

OBVIOUSLY THIS BOOK COMES OUT NOW THEY ARE OFFERING A LITTLE BIT OF IMMUNITY TO COME TESTIFY IN SOME OF THE LEGACY FOUNDATIONS WHICH MAY EXISTED WITH SAUCERS OR CRASHED MATERIALS.

WAS THAT JUST A COINCIDENCE OR WAS THAT ON PURPOSE?

>> SO FIRST, LET ME SAY I'M DELIGHTED TO HAVE LIVED LONG ENOUGH TO SEE THE SUBJECT BEING OPEN IN CONGRESS.

>> YEAH.

>> AND BEING OPEN IN THE PRESS.

REMOVING YOU KNOW THE RIDICULE THAT HAS BEEN ABOUT THE SUBJECT FOR SO LONG.

I WISH DR. HYNIG COULD SEE THIS DAY.

DR. McDONALD.

SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE HAVE BEEN FIGHTING AGAINST THE RIDICULE THAT THE SUBJECT WAS CONSIDERED WITH.

AND I WISH I COULD SEE THIS THING.

TO ME IT'S GRATIFYING TO BE ABLE TO BE PRESENT AND TO MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE STUDY AT THIS POINT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

I'VE MET DR. AVILEU.

>> THIS IS SOMETHING IT'S GREAT THAT HE'S TAKING THE LEADERSHIP IN THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT IN SCIENCE.

THERE ARE OTHER EFFORTS.

AS YOU KNOW I'VE BEEN WORKING ON SAMPLES LEFT OVER CRASHES OF OUFS.

SO YOU HAVE STANFORD AT ONE END OF THE COUNTRY AND HOWARD AT THE OTHER END.

MAYBE IT INSPIRES ALL SCIENTISTS.

YES, I THINK THAT THE TIME IS RIGHT AND THE CONTRIBUTION I CAN MAKE TO BRING INVESTIGATIONS ON THE GROUND FROM LIVING WITNESSES WHO CAN TESTIFY ABOUT WHAT THEY SAW.

YOU KNOW, IT'S FINE TO TAKE THE IMAGINARY DATA.

IF YOU HAVE FOLLOWED THE CONGRESSIONAL STUDIES THE HEARINGS THAT TOOK PLACE A FEW WEEKS AGO, A FEW MONTHS AGO, THEY ALL HAVE TO BE WITH THE MILITARY DATA.

THE MILITARY REPRESENTS 10% OF THE DATA WE HAVE.

90% OF IT IS A SIGNIFICANT POPULATION.

THE MILITARY DOESN'T OCCUPY A LOT OF THE LAND OR THE SEA.

SO NOW WHAT THEY DO REPORT IS OF HIGH QUALITY BECAUSE OF THE SENSITIVE DATA.

THE INFRARED SENSORS.

EVERYTHING ELSEWHERE YOU CAN HAVE A COMPLIMENT OF DATA FROM DIFFERENT SENSORS, AND HUMAN WHO'RE THE BEST SENSORS OF ALL.

BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY HIGHLY KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT WHAT THEY OBSERVE, WHAT THEY CAN TRACK.

SO HOW WE CAN TRACK IT.

SO YOU HAVE EXCELLENT DATA.

BUT IT IS CONSTRAINED WITHIN SOME TYPE OF EQUIPMENT.

A FARMER LIKE THE PEOPLE IN NEW MEXICO, THEY COULD SEE THE OBJECT FOR 10 DAYS ON THEIR PROPERTY.

YOU KNOW THE TRACES ARE STILL THERE.

SO WE HAVE A RICHNESS OF PHYSICAL DATA OF HOW MUCH PHYSICAL DATA.

MATERIAL THINGS, STUFF THAT YOU DON'T HAVE HAVE TRACING SOMETHING IN THE AIR.

SO THOSE TWO THINGS COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER, AND IN CONGRESS WHEN THEY SAY WE'RE ONLY GOING TO LOOK AT 200 CASES FROM THE MILITARY IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THIS IS NOT THE WAY YOU DO SCIENCE.

YOU CANNOT SAY WE'RE ONLY GOING TO STUDY SCRELS WE'VE SEEN LAST NIGHT FROM PARIS.

THAT WOULD GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION BUT YOU WOULD MISS EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT THE UNIVERSE.

SO HERE IT IS THE SAME THING.

THERE WAS A PROJECT WHICH IS TO MY KNOWLEDGE UNDER ORGANIZED BY MR. BIGELOW AND HIS TEAM IN NEW MEXICO.

THE BIGELOW AEROSPACE SCIENCE PROJECT ALSO KNOWN AS AAIPIT.

THEN WORKED FOR TWO YEARS ON A NUMBER OF THINGS.

SOME OF IT HAS BEEN PUBLICIZED.

WHAT HAS NOT BEEN PUBLICIZED HERE I'M NOT REVEALING ANY SECRET A PROJECT BUILDING SOME OF THE ULTIMATE DATABASE.

THE HIGH WATER MARK IN TERMS OF DATA CONCENTRATION ABOUT THE PHENOMENON FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD.

I DESIGNED A DATABASE THAT WAS THAT PART OF THE TEAM AND WE ENDED UP WITH A DATABASE OF OVER 260,000 CASES FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD THAT OBVIOUSLY WERE IN MANY LANGUAGES.

EVERYTHING WAS REDUCED TO ENGLISH, AND QUALIFIED TO A PARTICULAR STRUCTURE.

IN PREPARATION FOR APPLYING FOR ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE TO THE DATABASE WHICH IS A DATA WAREHOUSE.

YOU CANNOT HAVE A DATABASE IN EXACTLY THE SAME STRUCTURE AS FARMERS OR NAVY BASE.

YOU HAVE TO TAKE ACCOUNT THE SOCIOLOGY AND THE HUMAN SIDE OF THAT.

WE DID ALL OF THAT.

PROJECT WAS TERMINATED.

I HOPE THAT THEY DATA WAREHOUSE WILL LIVE ON IN EITHER CLASSIFIED OR UNCLASSIFIED ENVIRONMENTS.

BUT THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO ANSWER A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS.

>> SEE THAT'S WHAT I MEAN -- >> MY PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND IS APPLYING AI TO LARGE AMOUNTS OF DATA.

>> TO ME IT'S FRUSTRATING THAT WORK HAS BEEN DONE AND THAT THERE'S -- I MEAN LIKE I SAID THAT'S THE INGENIOUS AND TEASE OUT THE PATTERNS AND GET SOME REAL PATTERNS.

NOW IT'S LOST IN THE ETHER.

I'M NOT SURE THAT BIGELOW TURNED THAT DATABASE OVER TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

HE WAS NOT PAID $20 MILLION.

HE ONLY GOT $10 MILLION.

BUT HOW DO WE GET AT THAT INFORMATION NOW.

IF THAT EXISTS.

>> YOU RAISE A VERY GOOD QUESTION.

IT'S IRONIC THAT ALL OF THIS TIME EVERYBODY KNEW THERE WAS NO UFOs.

IT WAS PUBLICITY SEEKERS AND DRUNK COWBOYS REPORTING STRANGE THINGS.

AND THEN EVERYBODY LAUGHED.

SINCE EVERYBODY LAUGHED NOBODY CARED.

NOW, THIS IS A FEDERAL SECRET.

THIS IS POTENTIALLY A THREAT BECAUSE IN AMERICA AND IF YOU ALL KNOW WHETHER IT'S "GODZILLA" OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT IT IS A THREAT.

SO IT IS GOING TO BE CLASSIFIED.

AND YOU KNOW THE MILITARY IS GOING TO BE THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF RESEARCH.

WELL, SO THE ABSURD SITUATION WE MAY END UP WITH LESS INFORMATION THAN BEFORE.

BEFORE THOSE INFORMATION DIDN'T EXIST SO WHO CARES.

NOW IT'S A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY.

THEY ARE REAL.

IT'S NOW A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY.

PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE DATA.

THE REASON WE COULD PUBLISH THIS BOOK, YOU KNOW, IS THAT WE WENT TO SEE WITNESSES.

WITNESSES WHO WERE STILL ALIVE.

AND WE COULD -- IT TOOK 10 YEARS, IT COULD FOUR OR FIVE YEARS FOR ME.

BUT WE COULD GET THE INFORMATION.

WE KNOW THAT THE REPORT SHOWN TO MR. BAKAR IN THE STATE OF WASHINGTON WAS HEAVILY CLASSIFIED.

THAT WASN'T ALLOWED TO KEEP IT OR READ IT.

THIS WAS A REPORT CLASSIFIED BY AOMIC ENERGY COMMISSION WHICH PEOPLE ACCESS.

THOSE CLASSIFICATIONS ARE R, P AND Q.

IT'S A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF SOPHISTICATION, AND NOTHING HAS COME OUT FROM THEM.

YOU KNOW, IT'S PROPER THAT NOTHING CAME OUT FROM THAT.

IT'S A PROPER PROCEDURE FOR KEEPING VERY IMPORTANT THINGS, YOU KNOW WHY THEY'RE BEING STUDIED AND ASSESSED.

I COMPLETELY RESPECT THAT SYSTEM.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE 90% OF THE CASES THAT DON'T COME FROM THE MILITARY.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT?

SO IN THE BOOK, I BRING IT -- AGAIN I'M MORE A COMPUTER GUY SO I LOOK FOR PATTERNS.

YOU KNOW, FORGET ONE CASE.

HOW MANY CASES ARE THERE THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THIS WHERE WE HAVE THE CASES WHICH WAS INVESTIGATED BY THE LOCAL POLICE.

THE F.B.I.

WHICH 457ED TO BE THERE.

AND THEY HAPPENED TO HAVE THE TRACES AND PRESERVE THE TRACES.

AND THE SPECIALIZED SERVICES FOR WHITE SANDS FROM THE BASE WHITE SANDS.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THE CASE IN FRANCE WHERE THE SAME THING HAPPENED.

IN ALL THREE CASES THE OBJECT WAS NOT A SAUCER.

THERE WAS NO FLYING SAUCER.

IT IS X SHAPED OR OVAL.

THE KIDS CALLED IT A KETTLE.

AND IT WAS A SHAPED WITH LANDING GEAR.

IN SOAK LOW IT WAS X SHAPED.

THE OBJECT CAME IN LANDED IN CRITICAL FASHION IN VERY UNEVEN TERRITORY AND TOOK UP AND WE GET EXCITED AND FLEW OFF.

WHAT TYPE OF MACHINE THAT DOES THAT?

AGAIN, THIS WAS WAY BACK.

THIS WAS IN THE '60s AND '70s.

>> WE STILL CAN'T DO.

>> BY THE WAY THE BEINGS WHO WERE DESCRIBED AND WERE 3 SHORT BEINGS WERE HUMANOID.

THEY HAD HUMAN LIKE FACES.

TWO EYES, AND ONE MOUTH AND THEY BREATHED OUT AIR.

SAME THING IN TWO WHO WERE SINGING IN AND SAME THING THEY WERE ABOUT 3 FEET TALL.

THEY BREATHED OUR AIR.

AND ABOUT 3 FEET FALL.

AND THEY WERE VARIOUS DEVICES WITH THEM THAT WERE DESCRIBED BY THE WITNESSES.

THE WITNESSES WERE IMPECCABLE IN ALL THREE CASES.

WHEN INVESTIGATED BY UFO CIVILIAN.

UFO RESEARCHERS THEY WERE INVESTIGATED BY AGENCIES OF THE STATE.

YOU KNOW THE FRENCH IN FRANCE THERE WERE FIVE DIFFERENT AGENCY IN THE FRENCH GOVERNMENT INCLUDING CUSTOMS.

INCLUDING THE FRENCH AIR FORCE AND THE ARMY WHO INVESTIGATED SEPARATELY INVESTIGATED TRACES AND INTERVIEWED THE WITNESSES.

WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS THE CULMINATION BETWEEN THESE THREE CASES AND THERE ARE MORE.

BUT THEY'RE VERY STRONG CORRELATIONS BETWEEN THESE THREE CASES WHICH TELLS THAT THE KIDS WERE NOT LYING.

THE KIDS DESCRIBED EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAW.

YOU TALK ABOUT THE CORRELATIONS BETWEEN THESE THREE CASES AND THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR.

THERE'S YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ISSUE YOURSELF WHERE THERE'S SUCH A WIDE RANGE OF RIDICULOUSNESS WHERE THINGS GET SO SQUIRRELLY.

THERE'S A LOT OF WEIRD THINGS THAT GET REPORTED.

THAT MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE OR EXTREMELY CHALLENGING TO PARSE OUT ANY SENSE IN TERMS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING.

AND IN THE PAST THAT LED TO YOU.

AND YOUR JOHN MACK OR ARE YOU STILL AT THAT PLACE WHERE IT'S LIKE THERE'S SO MUCH INFORMATION THAT IT'S SOMETIMES RIDICULOUS.

>> YES.

>> YEAH.

>> MORE THAN EVER.

BECAUSE -- IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE A SYSTEM INCLUDING AN INTELLECTUAL SYSTEM OR LINGUISTICS SYSTEM, TO BRING IT TO A HIGHER LEVEL, THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DO IT IS MAKING STATEMENTS IN THE SYSTEM THAT ARE GOING TO LOOK ABSURD.

THINK OF WHAT IS THE SOUND OF MY ONE HAND CLAPPING.

YOU KNOW, IT'S RIDICULOUS.

IT'S STUPID.

ONE HAND CAN'T CLAP.

WHAT IF IT DID.

ALL OF A SUDDEN YOUR BRAIN IS STOPPED AND IT'S THINKING OF IDEAS.

I HAVE TO GO MAKE COFFEE AND I HAVE TO PAY MY TAXES TOMORROW, AND SO IT STOPS BECAUSE YOU CONTROL IT WITH SOMETHING ABSURD.

THERE WAS AGAIN THIS IS INFORMATION SCIENCE.

IT'S NOT PHYSICS.

THE WHOLE THING ABOUT THE PANCAKES THOSE PANCAKES ARE NUTTY.

BUT IT'S NOT PHYSICS, BUT IT'S -- IN TERMS OF THE RICHNESS OF THE INFORMATION AND THE STRUCTURE OF INFORMATION IS VERY INTERESTING.

THE FRENCH FROM THE LATE '50s.

IT'S IN THE EASTERN FRANCE CLOSE TO GERMANY, AND A MAN WHO WAS A NIGHT WATCH MANGOES TO HIS JOB AT 12:00 IN THE MORNING.

HE GOES TO A WOOD AREA AND THERE'S A MAN IN FRONT OF THE DESK DRESSED IN WHAT IS SOME SORT OF UNIFORM.

AND HE HOLDS SOMETHING IN HIS HAND AT THE WITNESS.

THE WITNESS IS NOT PARALYZED.

HE STARTS THINKING HE'S IN THE PRESENCE OF A MILITARY THING WHERE SOMEBODY HAS A GUN.

SO PEOPLE REMEMBER THE WAR, AND SO HE STOPS.

THE MAN ASKS THE FRENCH WHERE AM I IN AM I IN ITALY OR GERMANY.

HE SAYS YOU'RE IN FRANCE.

WELL THAT'S STUPID BECAUSE GERMANY IS HERE AND ITALY IS THERE.

THERE'S THE WHOLE OF SWITZERLAND IN BETWEEN.

AND THEN NOT REALIZE HE'S IN FRANCE.

THEN THE MAN SAYS WHAT TIME IS IT?

AND THE WITNESS LOOKS AT HIS WATCH AND SAYS IT'S 2:30.

AND HE SAYS YOU LYING.

IT'S 10:00.

>> WELL IT WAS 2:30.

SO IF YOU THINK AT THE FIRST LEVEL IT'S STUPID.

THIS WITNESS THE GUY MUST BE CRAZY OR HAD TOO MUCH TO DRINK.

OR HE WASN'T TOO AWAKE.

IF YOU TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL THERE WERE TWO ASSERTIONS.

ONE ABOUT TIME AND ONE ABOUT SPACE.

IN BOTH OF THEM THE WITNESS WAS TOLD HE LIED.

HE WAS WRONG ABOUT TIME AND HE WAS WRONG ABOUT SPACE.

THAT WAS THE EXTENT OF THE CONVERSATION.

THEN THE MAN WALKED BEHIND THE CRAFT WHICH WAS A DISC WITH A CYLINDER ON TOP AND HE WENT BEHIND IT WITH THE WHOLE THING TOOK OFF AND JUST FLEW AWAY IN THE TREES.

AND THEN THE WITNESS REALIZED THERE WAS NOT AN AIRPLANE OR HELICOPTER.

THIS WAS SOMETHING HE HAD NEVER SEEN BEFORE.

SO SHE WAS LEFT WITH THIS SILLY STORY WHICH YEAH IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

IF YOU THINK OF IT IN NORMAL LANGUAGE IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

TWO DIFFERENT ISSUE.

ONE ABOUT SPACE AND ONE ABOUT TIME.

I THINK AT ANOTHER LEVEL WHERE IT SAYS YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE A FALSE IDEA ABOUT SPACE AND YOU HAVE FALSE IDEAS ABOUT TIME WHICH IS WHAT PHYSICS IS TELLING US TODAY.

THAT MAYBE THERE'S NO SPACE, AND THERE IS NO TIME.

THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE WHICH GIVES US THE ALLUSION OF TIME AND SPACE.

THIS IS NORMAL PHYSICS.

THIS IS ADVANCED PHYSIC TODAY.

THAT'S WHERE PHYSICS IS GOING.

THAT'S WHAT MY FRIENDS IN PHYSICS ARE TELLING ME.

YEAH, IT MAKES SENSE.

SO SHOULDN'T WE TAKE THOSE WE LOOK AT THEM AND NOT JUST LAUGH?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I MEAN THIS IS SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT -- SOME OF THE MORE INTELLECTUAL STRUGGLES WE HAVE GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

IT'S STILL BY A LARGE PORTION OF SOCIETY CONSIDERED KIND OF A JOKE.

IT'S GETTING BETTER.

BUT I THINK THAT IT'S A REAL CHALLENGE TO GET A LARGE PORTION OF HUMANITY TO RECOGNIZE THESE STORIES AS SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST SILLINESS TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE MAY BE SPRIN, RIDDLES TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND IT BETTER.

>> I'M AN OPTIMIST.

I THINK ONCE THOSE IDEAS POP UP -- REMEMBER I'VE LIVED FOR MOST THE ARC OF DEVELOPMENT OF COMPUTERS.

MY FIRST COURSE ABOUT COMPUTERS HAD TO DO WITH WIRING A PRINTER BOX WITH WIRES OR CORRESPONDING TO THE COLUMNS IN THE PRINTER COLUMN.

AND LOOK WHERE WE ARE NOW.

WE'RE DOING VIDEOCONFERENCING ACROSS THE PLANET.

WE DON'T THINK ABOUT IT.

AND IT DOESN'T COST ANYTHING.

SO WE'VE DONE ALL OF THAT.

ONCE AN IDEA IS EXPRESSED CLEARLY A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL CONSIDER THAT THEY MAY REJECT IT.

THEY MAY HAVE ARGUMENT AND SO ON WHICH IS FAIR.

BUT THEY WILL BE INFLUENCED BY THE IDEA.

THE PROBLEM THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN MOST OF THE PEOPLE I SEE ENTERING THE FIELD NOW WITH VERY GOOD CREDENTIALS AND GOOD INTENTIONS HAVE NOT BEEN EXPOSED TO THE HISTORY OF THE SCIENCE.

I HAVE THE BENEFIT HAVING STARTED THIS 60 YEARS AGO.

>> SURE.

>> I'VE MET MANY OF THE MAJOR WITNESSES.

ALL OF THEM IN LATIN AMERICA.

AS YOU KNOW WITH JUAN PEREZ.

THEY MADE THAT MOVIE ABOUT HIM IN ARGENTINA, AND BRAZIL.

OF COURSE IN FRANCE AND IN THE SOVIET UNION.

SO AND OF COURSE IN THE U.S. WITH DR. HINECK.

SO I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF MEETING MANY OF THESE WITNESSES, AND GAINING THEIR TRUST WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT SCIENTISTS SOMETIMES HAVE TROUBLE DOING BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY COME FROM A HIGHER LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT WENT ON.

THAT MAY NOT BE TRUE IN THIS CASE.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> SO THERE IS A LEARNING CURVE AND THERE IS ONE THING I CAN DO NOW, I MEAN, MANY SIGNISTS ARE ENTERING WITH CREDENTIALS.

BUT IF I CAN CONTRIBUTE SOMETHING TO NOT JUST THE DATABASES BUT WHAT THE DATABASES MEAN WHO IS -- WHAT TESTIMONY IS BURIED IN THOSE DATABASES AND ENCRYPTED IN THOSE DATABASES.

I THINK THAT'S WHERE MY CONTRIBUTION IS GOING TO BE AS CONTRIBUTOR TO THOSE THINGS.

>> YEAH.

WELL I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME.

IF PEOPLE WANT TO GET THIS BOOK THEY CAN BUY IT ON AMAZON.

>> YES.

IT'S RIGHT THERE AVAILABLE ON AMAZON EITHER AS A PAPER BOOK OR HARDCOVER, AND ALSO AS AN e-BOOK SO PEOPLE CAN ORDER IT ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD AND GET IN TWO DAYS.

>> I WISH YOUR BOOK TREMENDOUS SUCCESS AND I WILL CONTINUE TO FOLLOW YOUR WORK.

I AM VERY HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU TODAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> HAVE A GOOD DAY.

>> ON THURSDAY CREATORS FROM ARTS AND CREATIVE TORRES GATHERED AT NORTH COAST REPERTORY THEATRE TO SUPPORT SENATE BILL 1117.

TO PUSH GOVERNOR GAVIN NEWSOM TO SIGN THE BILL WHICH IS CURRENTLY SITTING ON HIS DESK WHY THEY PASSAGE OF THE BILL IS PIVOTAL TO THE SURVIVAL OF ARTS ORGANIZATIONS.

WHICH IS SB11116.

TO SWALLOW NONPROFIT ACROSS THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

KNOWN AS LINE WHEN WE NEED IT MOST.

WHY IS THE IMPACT OF SB1116 SO INCREDIBLY TIMELY AND IMPORTANT.

THIS CURRENT FOR.

WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE WE DID NOT BECAUSE OF COVID.

AND THIS IS NOT AN EXCEPTIONAL OR RARE OCCURRENCE FOR ALL OF US.

FOR ALL OF OUR FELLOW ORGANIZATIONS.

IT COULD OCCUR IN HUMBOLDT OR PASADENA.

THIS IS THE NEW NORMAL.

AND WE HAVE DESIGNERS AND DIRECTORS AND THAT IS SOMETHING NOT A LOT OF THE RURAL COMMUNITIES HAVE.

AND WE RELY ON THESE PEOPLE TO TEACH, TO PRODUCE PERFORMANCES, TO ALLOW THE SPACE FOR EXPRESSION.

BUT IF THESE PEOPLE CANNOT BE PAID THEY HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

OR STOP CREATING ART.

>> I HAVE TO TELL YOU FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS IT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH YOUR HANDS TIED BEHIND YOUR BACK.

PERFORMANCES CANCELED.

YOU COME SICK.

NOT HAVING THE RESOURCES TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE'RE DOING.

THEATRE IS MY LIFE.

ONE OF THE REASONS IT GIVES TO THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S SAVED MY LIFE.

AND I'M SURE IT CAN SAVE OTHERS.

WHICH IS SO EXCITING.

ONLY WITH A LIMITED AUDIENCE SIZE.

THAT IS NO WAY TO KEEP A THEATRE OPEN.

THAT'S NO WAY TO KEEP OUR THEATRE ARTS SUPPORTED.

IT IS DETRIMENT TELL THE TO OUR PERFORMING ARTISTS.

EVERYTHING COST MONEY.

IT'S GOING TO COST MONEY TO MAKE ART.

WITHOUT THE MONEY COMING IN IT'S REALLY HARD TO KEEP GOING.

WE LOST $9,000 WORTH OF PROFIT.

IN ONE PRODUCTION.

IT WAS A WILD TIME.

50% OF OUR STAFF GOT COVID IN OUR FIRST LIVE WEEKEND OF PERFORMANCE.

WE PERFORMED WEEKENDS 2, 3 AND 4 THE OTHER 50% GOT COVID IN OUR LAST PERFORMANCE.

WE CANCELED THAT WEEKEND.

IN THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS IT IS TWO FROM OUR MISSION STATEMENT TO SHEAR SURVIVAL MODE.

OUR ANNUAL TROOP.

OUR SINGING CLASSES.

OUR REVENUE STREAM HAS ALL BUT DRIED UP.

IT'S BEEN SEVERELY TESTED WHICH HAS MEANT TO PAYING THE EVER INCREASING RENT AND EVER INCREASING UTILITIES ON OUR PERFORMANCE CENTER.

IT'S BECOME A FINANCIAL PRESSURE.

HEADING INTO A FULL PRODUCTION IS GOING TO BE CHALLENGING JUST IN TERMS OF MATERIALS.

THE RISING COST OF LUMBER ALONE IS GOING TO BE SKYROCKETING.

THE COST OF PAINT, FABRIC FOR A HUNDRED PLUS COSTUMES.

THE ROYALTIES AND FOR US.

THE COST OF RENT WHICH ISN'T IT HAS JUST JUMPED 300% FROM THE LAST TIME WE WERE ABLE TO USE IT.

WE WERE ARTS ARE THE ICING ON THE CAKE OF SOCIETY.

AND WE DIED INSIDE.

AND JACKIE VERY KINDLY AND GRACEFULLY STOOD UP I DISAGREE.

ARTS ARE THE EGGS.

WE PULL THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER.

AND AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT POARIZATION HAS COME FROM LACK OF ART.

IT IS SO EVIDENT WE ARE THE EGGS AND WE CAN'T DO WHAT WE DO WITHOUT THE SUPPORT THAT SB116 CAN PROVIDE US RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE IS FUNDAMENTALLY CAT STRAUS FLEE TRULY WITHOUT PRECEDENT.

IT IS BECAUSE WE WANT TO ADDRESS OUR GOVERNOR IN OUR STATE.

PLEASE HELP US.

>> SUPPORT SB116WWW EQUITABLE PAYROLL FUND.org.

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