DYNAMITE TESTIMONY ABOUT JANUARY 6 • THAT BEAR MARKET • AND THE LATEST IN THE UKRAINE.

STAY TUNED FOR IVORY TOWER.

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ WELCOME TO IVORY TOWER.

I'M BARBARA FOUGHT FROM SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY.

JOINING ME TONIGHT ON THE PANEL ARE KRISTI ANDERSON, FROM SYRACUSE UNIVERSIT,Y, TY SEIDULE, FROM HAMILTON COLLEGE; ANIRBAN ACHARYA, FROM LEMOYNE COLLEGE; AND BEN BAUGHMAN, FROM CAZENOVIA COLLEGE.'

TWO MORE CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS THIS WEEK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED JANUARY 6TH.

THE KEY POINTS THAT I TOOK AWAY ARE THAT MANY PEOPLE IN THE FORMER PRESIDENT'S INNER CIRCLE TOLD HIM HE HAD LOST, BUT HE KEPT ARGUING IN PUBLIC THAT HE HAD NOT.

THE RIOTING WASN'T RANDOM -- WE EVEN SAW VIDEO OF PROUD BOYS AND OATH KEEPERS MEETING THE DAY BEFORE.

NEW INFORMATION YESTERDAY THAT MIKE PENCE WAS ONLY 40 FEET AWAY FROM THE RIOTERS IN THE CAPITAL.

AND A RETIRED FEDERAL JUDGE - A CONSERVATIVE - WARNED OF A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER TO DEMOCRACY IN THE 2024 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

KRISTI, IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT MORE PEOPLE ARE ACCOUNTABLE HERE THAN I FIRST THOUGHT AND SOME PEOPLE ARE BEING A LOT MORE FORTH COMING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED.

>> YES, THAT'S RIGHT.

AND I THINK THAT, THOUGH, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING FORTH COMING, THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO ARE PEOPLE WHO WORKED FOR TRUMP FOR FOUR YEARS AND WERE PERFECTLY HAPPY ABOUT THAT OR WORKED IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

FRANK BRUNI WROTE AN OP-ED WITH A GREAT TITLE THE OTHER DAY WHICH THE TITLE WAS DON'T LET BARR AND I VAN CA VISIT THE REPUTATION LAUNDROMAT.

IN OTHER WORDS, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE MOTIVATIONS OF THESE PEOPLE, WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING UP TO THIS POINT AND SO ON.

BUT THAT SAID, YES, IT'S REALLY INTERESTING TO LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE.

AND IT'S CLEAR, FROM A LOT OF THE TESTIMONY OF PENCE'S STAFF PARTICULARLY AND SOME OF THE TRUMP STAFF IS THAT THEY REALLY DID TRY TO CONVINCE TRUMP OF THE REALITY OF WHAT HAPPENED HERE IS WHAT HAPPENED.

HERE IS WHAT YOU SHOULD NOT DO AND WHAT YOU CAN'T DO AND HE DIDN'T LISTEN.

AND I THINK THAT'S INTERESTING AND NOT SURPRISING.

BUT IT'S ALSO, TO ME, SOMEWHAT SURPRISING AND VERY DISHEARTENING THAT THE POLLING-- AND I HOPE ANIRBAN WILL TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE HE HAS THE NUMBERS-- SHOWS THAT IT IS NOT HAVING MUCH OF AN EFFECT ON PEOPLE WHO-- THE HEARINGS ARE NOT HAVING MUCH OF AN EFFECT ON PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY CONVINCED THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING GOING ON AND THEREFORE, THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN.

>> YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU, KRISTI.

FIRST OF ALL, THE HEARINGS LOOK GREAT.

THEY LOOK LIKE TRUE CRIME DRAMA, EPISODIC FORMAT.

WE HAVE LOTS OF INTERESTING STUFF GOING ON, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SAYING, YOU KNOW, DEPOSITIONS AND SO ON.

BUT, YES, I WAS LOOKING AT THE CBS POLL AND I DON'T REMEMBER AN EXACT NUMBER FOR ALL THE POLLS BUT ONE THING THAT COMES OUT IS THAT MANY REPUBLICANS THINK THAT THE PEOPLE ARE WHO WERE THERE ON THE DAY WERE DEFENDING FREEDOM; MORE THAN 40%.

AND FOX NEWS IS NOT CARRYING THE HEARINGS.

SO I THINK THERE IS A DIVERGENCE IN HOW PEOPLE ARE SEEING THESE, RIGHT?

THOSE WHO WE WANT TO CHANGE THEIR MINDS TO SHOW THAT LOOK, THE ELECTION WAS NOT STOLEN.

I'M DOUBTFUL IF THEY WOULD BE CONVINCED.

AND I DO AGREE WITH FRANK BRUNI'S ARTICLE, GREAT ARTICLE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, KING DONALD HAD A FARM AND FILLED THE FARM WITH LIARS FOR FOUR YEARS AND THEY COULDN'T TAKE THE LIE ANYMORE.

NOW THEY WANT TO DRY CLEAN THEIR MORALITY.

BUT WE ARE NOT BUYING IT.

BUT YOU KNOW, IT SHOWS TRUMP FROM THE VERY BEGINNING HAD DECIDED THAT HE IS NEVER GOING TO LEAVE IF HE LOSES IF IT IS NOT LEGITIMATE AND HE IS WILL USE WHATEVER CRIMINAL POWERS TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION.

THAT'S UNFORTUNATE.

I HAVE A COUPLE MORE THINGS.

>> I'M VERY HESITANT TO AGREE WITH SOME OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BECAUSE WE ARE, AS DIVIDED AS WE HAVE BEEN IN THIS COUNTRY, AT LEAST IN RECENT HISTORY, I'M NOT SO MUCH CONCERNED-- AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE AS CONCERNED ABOUT CHANGING PEOPLE'S MINDS AFTER THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT HAS GONE BY.

THIS REALLY HAS TO BE ABOUT THE YILT INCIDENT THAT ON-- THE CRITICAL INCIDENT THAT OCCURRED, THE LIVES THAT WERE LOST AND WHAT CAN OCCUR AGAIN IF THINGS ARE NOT MITIGATED, IF THINGS ARE NOT ADDRESSED AND SAFEGUARDS PUT IN PLACE.

>> YOU WANT TO LOOK MORE FORWARD.

>> SIGHTS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL.

IT'S TWO-PRONGED.

THEY HAVE TO SHOW WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT LED UP TO IT IN ORDER TO IDENTIFY THE ACTIONS AND REALLY FOCUS ON THOSE ACTIONS RATHER THAN GETTING EVEN MORE DIVIDED BECAUSE YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE SO ENTRENCHED IN THAT MIND SET OF WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY, THAT THEY ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO PROJECT BLAME AND RATIONALIZE THINGS THAT OCCURRED.

IT'S REALLY ABOUT-- THIS IS AND CONTINUES TO BE A GENUINE THREAT MOVING FORWARD THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS.

>> YOU WANT PEOPLE TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT IT'S A GENUINE THREAT.

>> THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.

THAT'S IDEAL, BUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE A PROPORTION OF OUR SOCIETY THAT IS SO DIVIDED AND SO ENTRENCHED IN WHAT THEY BELIEVE, THAT THEY ARE NOT EVEN TUNING IN TO LISTEN TO TWO HOURS OF TESTIMONY, LET ALONE THAT TIME WHAT, FIVE DIFFERENT HEARINGS WE ARE GOING TO HAVE OR SIX OR SEVEN.

IT'S A VERY COMPLEX PLAN THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE AND THINGS THAT PLAYED OUT THAT REALLY, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

IN ADDITION TO THE FIRST HEARING WHERE THEY DID THE TIMELINE AT THE END, WHICH WAS VERY SUCCINCT, THEY NEED TO SHOW A NETWORK ANALYSIS OF WHO WAS TALKING TO WHO, WHEN THEY WERE TALKING AND HOW OFTEN THEY WERE TALKING TO SHOW THE COMPLICITY THAT OCCURRED.

>> BUT YOU ARE BASICALLY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT A SLICE OF THE POPULATION, LET'S SAY 80% ARE REPUBLICANS, REPUBLICANS ARE 30% OF THE POPULATION SO THAT'S-- ARE NEVER GOING TO ACCEPT ANY OF THIS.

THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT EVEN GOING TO PROCESS IT BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE A COMMITMENT TO THE NOTION THAT THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN, WHICH DONALD TRUMP, AS YOU SAID, HAS SAID FROM THE START BEFORE HE EVEN RAN AND THEN HAS KEPT ON DOING IT.

SO YOU ARE WILLING TO JUST LET THESE PEOPLE CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT A MAJORITY.

>> UNFORTUNATELY IT'S NOT UP TO ME.

IT'S NOT UP TO ANY OF US.

BUT I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO, AS ACADEMIA, AS PEOPLE ON THE AIR AND PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC, NEEDS TO ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE A PROPORTION OF SOCIETY, THE WAY OUR ALGORITHMS ARE SET UP FOR SOCIAL MEDIA, THE WAY MEDIA IS SET UP, THAT IT IS A BUSINESS, THAT PEOPLE TUNING INTO FOX THAT ARE NOT SEEING ANY OF THIS, NOW IT IS ON THE WEBSITE NOW.

THEY DO HAVE A LINK TO JANUARY 6, BUT IT'S NEVER THE HEADLINE.

>> JUST ONE QUICK LAST QUESTION.

ANIRBAN, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE THEN OF THESE HEARINGS?

IS IT TO GET THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO TAKE ACTION?

IS IT TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC?

>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

THOMPSON SAID IT IS NOT THEIR JOB TO RECOMMEND CRIMINAL ACTION BUT FROM WHAT I SAW, IT SEEMS THAT IT IS BASICALLY SHOWING THAT TRUMP WAS A TREASON US P PERPETRATOR AND THAT HE WANTED TO DESTROY AMERICAN DEMOCRACY SYSTEMATICALLY DEPENDING ON NAZI ON WHITE SUPREMACY FORCES.

WHAT I DO THINK DEMOCRATS CAN DO, FOR EXAMPLE, IS TO ALSO FOCUS WHY IS IT THAT A PRIVATE INTELLIGENCE COMPANY HAS TOLD LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN BEFORE THIS WAS HAPPENING IN DECEMBER.

AND THE LAW ENFORCEMENT DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.

THERE WAS A WHISTLEBLOWER THING.

SECOND, IS THAT THERE HAS BEEN A LAW FOR PREVENTION OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM.

13% OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN PROSECUTED HAVE BEEN VETERANS.

BUT WHEN THE BILL CAME UP FROM THE HOUSE, NOBODY IN THE SENATE IS GOING TO TAKE IT, RIGHT?

SO, YES,DONALD TRUMP IS EVIL.

THEN WHAT?

HOW DID ALL THIS HAPPEN?

HOW WAS THIS ORCHESTRATED?

WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE WITHIN OUR MILITARY AND OUR POLICE FORCE AND HOW THEY'RE AFFECTING OUR DEMOCRACY?

I WANT MORE OF THAT KIND OF ANALYSIS FOR SCHOLARS, FOR TERRORISM SCHOLARS AND SO ON AND I'M NOT FINDING THAT.

>> LET'S HOPE THE HEARINGS CAN COME UP WITH THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE TO PREVENT THIS.

THE OTHER BIG STORY OF THE WEEK IS THE BEAR MARKET AND THE FED RAISING INTEREST RATES THREE-QUARTERS OF A POINT----AN ACTION NOT SEEN IN 28 YEARS.

ANIRBAN WAS THIS TOO MUCH OR WHAT ABOUT THE RISE IN THE RATE BY THE FEDS?

>> I THINK IT IS TOO EARLY TO SAY.

BUT THE IDEA IS THAT IF THE INFLATION IS GOING UP, THE FEDERAL RESERVE TRIES TO INCREASE THE INFLATION RATE TO BRING-- BRING UP THE INTEREST RATE TO BRING DOWN INFLATION BUT I FEEL THAT IT MIGHT BE MUCH HIGHER RAISE THAN THE MARKET CAN HANDLE, ESPECIALLY IN TERMS OF SOFT LANDING.

AND I FEAR THAT IT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, SPAWN AN UNEMPLOYMENT INCREASED UNEMPLOYMENT IN THE UNITED STATES.

WHAT I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IT IS NOT JUST EXCESS MONEY CHASING LESS NUMBER OF GOODS.

WE ARE IN UNPRECEDENTED TIMES.

THERE IS A BRITTLE SUPPLY CHAIN, A HOUSING CRISIS.

ENERGY PRICES, BECAUSE OF THE RUSSIA-UKRAINE WAR, THAT WE KEEP NOT ENDING, RIGHT, AND THESE ARE ALL CONTRIBUTING TO THE INFLATION.

SO RAISING THE INTEREST RATE MIGHT REDUCE INFLATION A LITTLE BIT, BUT I DO FEEL IT CAN LEAD TO HIGHER UNEMPLOYMENT AND NOT REDUCING INFLATION ENOUGH IN WHICH CASE WE ARE IN KIND OF A STAGFLATION ECONOMY.

AND PEOPLE THINK ABOUT HUGE CREDIT DEFAULTS IN DEVELOPING COUNTRIES AND ALL.

SO TOO EARLY TO SAY.

RIGHT MOVE.

FED HAS ONLY THIS MOVE TO DO, RIGHT?

BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE AWAY THE INFLATION IN THE WAY PEOPLE ARE SAYING IT WILL.

>> I AM VERY UNSCHOOLED IN ECONOMICS, BUT YOUR POINT ABOUT MAYBE IT WILL BRING UNEMPLOYMENT, THERE ARE RIGHT NOW TWO JOB OPENINGS PER EACH UNEMPLOYED PERSON RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A PRETTY BIG SHIFT TO HAVE RISING UNEMPLOYMENT RATE, I THINK.

I ALSO PERSONALLY, I KIND OF HAVE TO LAUGH BECAUSE WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOUSE THAT I LIVE IN ALMOST 40 YEARS AGO, THE INTEREST RATE WAS 13.75%.

YEAH, AND ONE OTHER POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS THAT PEOPLE ARE VERY MUCH FOCUSING, AS IS PREDICTABLE ON THE GAS, COST OF GASOLINE, AND I THINK I'VE READ ENOUGH THAT CONVINCES ME THAT THOSE COMPANIES ARE REALLY CONTRIBUTING TO THIS, PROFITING FROM THIS.

I READ AN ARTICLE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE VARIOUS INVESTMENT CALLS THESE PEOPLE WERE MAKING AND THE EXECUTIVES EMPHASIZED THAT SHAREHOLDER PROFITS IS WHAT IS MOTIVATING THEM AND RATHER THAN EXPANDING PRODUCTION OR LOWERING PRICES, THEY'RE KEEPING THE PRICES AT A HIGH LEVEL WHEN THEY COULD BE LOWERING THEM.

>> YEAH, AND I ALSO HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I AM NOT AN ECONOMIST, BUT FROM WHAT I HAVE ALSO READ, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE PRODUCTION OF CRUDE OIL IS AT ITS LIMIT HERE IN AMERICA.

AND SO IT'S NOT A MATTER OF PRODUCING MORE OIL OR GETTING MORE OIL.

IT'S THAT WE ARE AT CAPACITY OF TRYING TO MAKE IT INTO GASOLINE.

NOW RUSSIA, THE POINT THAT MADE ABOUT RUSSIA, IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF THINGS DID GET INFLUENCED BY THE RUSSIAN INVASION BECAUSE PRIOR TO THE RUSSIAN INVASION, A BARREL OF OIL WAS ABOUT $70 I THINK.

AND AFTERWARDS, IT DRASTICALLY WENT UP AND THAT SEEMS TO BE THE TURNING OF THE TIDE.

NOW HAVE YOU PEOPLE, BECAUSE WE ARE IN A VERY DIVISIVE DIVIDED COUNTRY, THAT WILL ARGUE DIFFERENT SIDES.

SO HAVE YOU PEOPLE THAT, LIKE THE PRESIDENT,-- THAT DON'T LIKE THE PRESIDENT ARE SAYING THIS IS COVID RELATED, TO THE SPENDING, THE AMERICAN RESCUE MONEY.

AND THEN HAVE YOU PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE THE PRESIDENT, THAT ARE SAYING SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES, RUSSIAN'S WAR, DEMAND FOR GAS.

AND ALL OF THESE THINGS.

AND IT IS A MULTIFACETED ISSUE WITH A LOT OF PROBLEMS.

>> YEAH, I MEAN WITH THE MULTIFACETED ISSUE.

GREEDFLATION, AND THAT IS REAL.

RIGHT WING ECONOMISTS TRY TO ARGUE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS TOO MUCH-- THE LABOR SHOULD BE SQUEEZES DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

AND THEY DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CORPORATE CONSOLIDATION AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT IS DRIVING THIS KIND OF INFLATION, BUT WHAT WE FORGET IS THAT THOSE AMERICAN RESCUE ACT DURING THE PANDEMIC, THAT KEPT PEOPLE OUT OF POVERTY.

THAT KEPT PEOPLE OUT OF TAKING HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE DISGUSTING UNDIGNIFIED JOBS AND THEY'RE FINDING NOW, RIGHT, THAT WE HAVE A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO GET A BETTER JOB.

SO INFLATION IS EVERYWHERE POLITICAL IN THAT SENSE.

IT IS WHO WINS, WHO LOSES AND IT SEEMS THAT OVER THE LAST NOW YEARS, THE FED WAS MOVING TOWARDS THE PROLABOR POLICY.

LABOR POWER HAS INCREASED, UNIONS HAVE INCREASED BUT WITH THE INCREASE IN INTEREST RATES, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEIR IMPACT ON UNEMPLOYMENT, BUT 1.7 OPENINGS FOR EVERY-- 1.7 APPLICANTS FOR EVERY JOB.

>> OR OPPOSITE.

JUST TO BACK YOU UP.

11 MILLION PEOPLE WE KEPT OUT OF POVERTY.

ABSOLUTELY BECAUSE OF THIS.

>> AND THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING HURT THE MOST AT THE GROCERY STORE AND THE GAS PUMPS.

LET'S MOVE ON.

IS TO THE ECONOMY.

AND THE HEARINGS MAY HAVE MOVED THE WAR IN THE UKRAINE OUT OF THE HEADLINES.

BUT IT'S BEEN NEARLY FOUR MONTHS, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND DOZENS OF CITIES LITERALLY FLATTENED.

THE U.S. HAS JUST SENT ANOTHER $1-BILLION-DOLLARS IN MILITARY AID AND $225 MILLION FOR HUMANITARIAN AID.

PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS SAID HE WON'T TELL UKRAINE WHAT TO DO BUT IS IT TIME FOR UKRAINE TO GIVE UP SOME LAND FOR PEACE ?

IT IS NOT OUR PLACE TO TELL UKRAINE WHAT THEY SHOULD AND SHOULD NOT DO.

IT WOULD SET A BAD PRECEDENT, I BELIEVE, FOR THEM TO DO THAT.

AND ON TOP OF THAT, RUSSIA TOOK CRIMEA BACK IN 2014, SO WHAT IS GOING TO-- MARCH OF 2014.

WHAT IS GOING TO KEEP THEM FROM, YOU KNOW, STARTING THE CONFLICT OR A WAR BACK A MONTH LATER?

>> AND YET MORE LIVES BEING LOST EVERY DAY, MORE CITIES FLATTENED.

IS THAT THE PRICE WE HAVE TO PAY?

>> I DISAGREE WITH YOU THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN ABILITY TO TALK TO THEM.

I MEAN WE ARE GIVING THEM MUCH OF THEIR ARM AMOUNTS AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR ME.

AND SO I THINK WE, NOT ONLY THE UNITED STATES, BUT EUROPE DO HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY HERE POSSIBLY.

I HAVE MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I THINK THAT HISTORICALLY, A LOT OF WARS HAVE COME TO AN END BY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SOMEBODY GIVES SOMETHING UP AND SOMEBODY ELSE GIVES SOMETHING ELSE UP AND THERE IS SOME PROCESS OF, YOU KNOW, DEESCALATION AND PEACE AND I HATE TO AGREE WITH HENRY KISSINGER, WHO JUST RECENTLY SAID THINK IT WAS A GOOD PLAN, IT MIGHT WORK, A LAND FOR PEACE SWITCH.

BUT I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE THINKS.

RUSSIA HAS SAID IT RIGHTFULLY HAS CRIMEA AND THE OTHER PARTS, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S NOT REALLY CLEAR HOW IT WOULD WORK, BUT IT DOES SEEM LIKE A POSSIBILITY; THAT UKRAINE IS NOT VERY OPEN TO RIGHT NOW.

BUT CERTAINLY GERMANY AND FRANCE SEEM TO BE THINKING ALONG THOSE LINES; THAT THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO PERSUADE UKRAINE TO GIVE UP SOMETHING IN ORDER TO GET THE RUSSIANS.

AND OF COURSE THERE IS ANOTHER ISSUE HERE, WHICH IS THAT I DON'T THINK YOU CAN TRUST RUSSIA TO DO WHAT IT SAYS.

OR I CAN IMAGINE THEY FEEL THAT WAY.

>> I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE POINTS HERE, RIGHT.

SO ONE THING IS THAT FIRST OF ALL RUSSIAN IMPERIAL AGGRESSION, WE NEED TO NOT CONDONE IT AT ALL.

HOWEVER, WHAT IS THE END GAME HERE?

AMERICAN OFFICIALS ARE NOW SAYING THAT WE REALLY DON'T HAVE AN END GAME OTHER THAN EGGING ON UKRAINIANS TO FIGHT WITH AMERICAN TAXPAYERS MONEY AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT RUSSIA TO WIN.

THIS IS HARD HEADEDNESS.

WE CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT RUSSIA SAYS.

MOST PEOPLE AND INTERNATIONAL SCHOLARS THROUGH AMERICAN HISTORY SAY PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE WHAT AMERICA SAYS HALF OF THE TIME.

SO WHAT I DO THINK IS THAT IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO FIND OUT A PATH TO END THE WAR.

AND WE CAN'T JUST KEEP GIVING WEAPONS AND SAY YOU KNOW, THIS IS BETWEEN UKRAINE AND RUSSIA.

IT IS NOT.

UKRAINE IS A PROTECTORATE STATE OF THE UNITED STATES.

WE ARE PROPPING UP THEIR ECONOMY, WE ARE GIVING THEM ALL THESE SWITCH BLADES WHICH COME TO NOTHING AND WITHIN THE FALL OF WAR, THIS STRANGE REPORTING, NEW YORK TIMES ON THE FIRST PAGE WOULD SAY RUSSIA IS LOSING BUT IN THE SECOND PAGE IT WILL SAY RUSSIA IS GAINING GROUND.

IT'S LIKE A VERY STRANGE KIND OF A WAR.

SO MY THING WOULD BE THAT YES, PARTITION UKRAINE, NEUTRALITY AND END OF THE WAR.

OTHER THAN THAT, WE ARE EGGING ON THE WAR FOR LIKE THE NEXT YEAR AND PEOPLE FORGET ABOUT UKRAINE, THEY WILL FORGET ABOUT UKRAINIAN REFUGEES AND THIS IS HIGHLY IRRESPONSIBLE.

THE UNITED STATES IS A LEADER AND THEY SHOULD ALONG WITH FRANCE AND OTHER PEOPLE, SITU CRANE DOWN AND SAY WHAT IS YOUR END GAME HERE.

OTHER THAN THAT, WE ARE JUST WISHFUL THINKING ABOUT RUSSIA THE EVIL, WHICH IT IS, AGAIN, PUTIN IS.

>> IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT A MAJORITY OF EUROPEANS IN A RECENT POLL TAKE YOUR POSITION PRETTY MUCH, SAY WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO END THE WAR.

POLAND IS AN EXCEPTION, BUT OTHER EUROPEANS ARE WITH YOU ON THIS.

>> BEN, ANIRBAN SAYS U.S. SHOULD TAKE THE LEAD.

>> YES, LEAD, BUT IT HAS TO BE A GLOBAL UNITY THAT MOVES FORWARD BECAUSE THE END GAME IS NOT TO HAVE WORLD WAR I II, THAT'S THE END GAME.

RUSSIA'S PROBLEM IS NOT THAT THEY WANT TO RETURN THE LAND THAT THEY HAD AS A SOVIET UNION.

THEY WANT NATO TO NOT EXIST.

AND THEY HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM WITH NATO.

AND IT'S NOT GOING TO END WITH UKRAINE.

>> ANIRBAN, WHAT ABOUT THE BULLLY?

IF WE GIVE IN, THEN THE NEXT BULLY IS GOING TO THINK THEY HAVE OPEN LICENSE TO TAKE LAND.

>> I THINK THAT'S WISHFUL THINKING.

IF THAT WERE THE CASE, THEN WHY THE UKRAINE INVASION HAPPENED WHEN IT HAPPENED.

AND LOOK, RUSSIA HAS ALREADY FAILED.

IT WANTED TO TAKE THE WHOLE OF UKRAINE.

IT HASN'T.

SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, ALL THAT'S LEFT IS WITH WHAT IT ALREADY HAS.

SO IN ORDER TO HAVE A COMPROMISE ON NEUTRALITY AND SO ON, RIGHT, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN CONTAIN THE BULLY, RIGHT?

AND AGAIN THIS IS NOT A POPULAR THING TO SAY.

OTHER PEOPLE IN THE WORLD THINK AMERICA IS A BULLY.

AND THERE IS GREAT EVIDENCE FOR THAT.

SO I, AS A SCHOLAR, DO NOT TRUST ANY BIOLOGICAL RESISTANCE--.

WE NEED NEUTRAL OBSERVERS AND WE WANT A NEGOTIATED COMPROMISE.

UKRAINE RIGHTFULLY SAYS WE NEED TO BE NEUTRAL, LONG RANGE MISSILES AND PERHAPS SOME PARTS OF THE EASTERN FRONT, WHICH BELONGS TO RUSSIA AND YOU KNOW, CRIMEA SHOULD BE GIVEN OVER.

>> WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.

IT'S A TOUGH TOPIC AND VERY COMPLICATED.

BUT LET'S GET TO THE GRADES.

KRISTI YOUR F. >> TO TESLA.

THEY'RE USING AUTO PILOT SOFTWARE INVOLVED IN AT LEAST 273 REPORTED CRASHES OVER THE LAST YEAR, FAR MORE THAN PREVIOUSLY FLOWN.

THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION IS RELEASING NUMBERS AND AT THIS POINT TESLA VEHICLES ACCOUNT FOR A MARKET OF THE FATALITIES AND SERIOUS INJURIES.

THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS AND I HATE TO BE TOO NEGATIVE ABOUT TESLAS BUT THEY SEEM TO BE NOT WORKING VERY WELL.

>> ANIRBAN.

>> MY F GOES TO THE VIOLENT TARGETING OF PRIDE EVENTS IN IDAHO AND THE BAY AREA AS THEY'RE BEING SYSTEMATICALLY ENCOURAGED BY RIGHT RING PROVE INDICATORS AND GUARDED BY ANTIHUMAN RIGHTS POLICIES IN THE LEGISLATURE.

THE SOVEREIGN POLICY LAW CENTER SAID THERE IS A CONCERTED EFFORT TO RAMP UP THIS EFFORT TYING LGBTQ PEOPLE TO PEDOPHILIA.

>> WHOEVER BROUGHT "CONTAINER OF COCKROACHES INTO AN ALBANY COURTHOUSE AND RELEASED IT DURING AN ALTERCATION.

>> AND YOUR A.

>> LAST WEEK LAST WEEKEND WAS MY FIRST EXTENDED POST PANDEMIC DRIVING TRIP MOSTLY I-90 IN NEW YORK AND MASSACHUSETTS AND THIS IS MY FIRST EXPERIENCE WITH A CASHLESS TOLL SYSTEM WHERE YOU JUST DRIVE RIGHT THROUGH.

THIS IS CLEARLY REDUCING CONGESTION, IMPROVES TRAFFIC FLOW AND SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCES GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AS WELL.

>> VERY GOOD.

ANIRBAN.

>> MY A MIGHT SEEM TO BE LAZY BUT IT'S VERY HEART FELT AND TRUE.

MY A GOES TO TWO OF MY FAVORITE MEDIA SOURCES IN THE U.S., PBS AND DEMOCRACY NOW.

I'M FREFER INDEBTED TO THEIR CONTENT AND PROGRAMMING THAT CONTINUE TO HELP ME BE TO LEARN WIDELY AND THINK CRITICALLY AND BECOME A BETTER SCHOLAR SO FROM VIEWERS LIKE ME, THANK YOU.

>> LET'S HEAR IT FOR PBS.

>> AND BEN, YOUR A.

>> MY A ARE GOING TO DOGS.

SO THERE WAS A STUDY IN JAPAN THAT WAS PUBLISHED IN THE JOURNAL OF SCIENTIFIC REPORTS THAT FOUND TWO MUTATIONS OF GENES THAT PRODUCED A CERTAIN CHEMICAL THAT THE ALARM SYSTEM RELEASED DURING FEAR AND ANXIETY.

AND THAT CONNECTS THEM TO HUMAN BEINGS MORE OVER TIME GENETICALLY.

>> VERY INTERESTING.

AND I WANT TO THANK PETER LIMPERT FOR SENDING US A LETTER.

HE SAID THE NEW PANELISTS ARE GREAT, THANK YOU.

AND HE TALKED ABOUT THE NEW YORK PISTOL PERMIT CASE AND THE SUPREME COURT DECISION THAT'S COMING UP AND HE SAYS HE HOPES THAT THE PANEL WILL DISCUSS THAT FURTHER.

WHEN IT DOES.

AND PETER, I SUSPECT THAT WE WILL VERY MUCH.

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